<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Sorry everybody, I have to correct myself: the sequence involved needed not be posttonic, it could also be pretonic, as shown by the SIMUL'ARE example (where stress is on the penultimate vowel), and in such a case, of course, the vowel which eventually got deleted never was the penultimate vowel of the word.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">The bottom line is that the vowel which got deleted in those sequences wasn't stressed (nor was it the initial or final vowel of the word).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Matthieu</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font size="2" face="garamond, serif">_ _<br><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__uni-2Dfrankfurt.academia.edu_MatthieuSegui&d=DwMFaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=xWgwnXzyLjTDtEN1jkc-sliD_cd49k7fc7XSMi_8aeo&m=RyedCJeAJj6Q40UqcTGBbpkIIKVY2smyV91bGklvH7U&s=FtJYfmIgqYnVXSzz57r5vjmuVPGcd6wo-VKZtS8d7K8&e=" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://uni-frankfurt.academia.edu/MatthieuSegui</a></font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font size="2" face="garamond, serif">Skype: matthieu.segui</font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-09-13 22:19 GMT+02:00 Matthieu Segui <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matthieu.segui2014@gmail.com" target="_blank">matthieu.segui2014@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><div>Dear Martha,</div><div>As far as the evolution from Protoromance (or Spoken Latin) to Old French is concerned, basically everyone (see for instance Heinrich Lausberg, <i>Romanische Sprachwissenschaft</i>, vol.1, §513) agrees that in all instances of the posttonic (but non-final) sequences</div><div>*[mV.r], *[nV.r], *[ssV.r], *[mV.l] and *[nV.l]</div><div>(where the always unstressed vowel, as a matter of fact, was the penultimate vowel of the word), a plosive consonant (homorganic to the first consonant of the sequence) was inserted after the vowel underwent deletion, giving rise to the following clusters (in Old French):</div><div>*[<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__m.br&d=DwMFaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=xWgwnXzyLjTDtEN1jkc-sliD_cd49k7fc7XSMi_8aeo&m=RyedCJeAJj6Q40UqcTGBbpkIIKVY2smyV91bGklvH7U&s=IB_rS4CDyMKSuwWWLS7sDI7csMR2DQYmK54BoPIGQSw&e=" target="_blank">m.br</a>], *[n.dr], *[<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__s.tr&d=DwMFaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=xWgwnXzyLjTDtEN1jkc-sliD_cd49k7fc7XSMi_8aeo&m=RyedCJeAJj6Q40UqcTGBbpkIIKVY2smyV91bGklvH7U&s=zJSAdFKUfOPIpYH0FrSb1NYJgYav3FGViKhNV5VDEyw&e=" target="_blank">s.tr</a>], *[m.bl] and *[n.ɡl]</div><div>Examples include</div><div>NUMERU > <i>nombre</i> ('number')</div><div>CINERE > <i>cendre</i> ('ash')</div><div>ESSERE > <i>estre</i> ('(to) be')</div><div>SIMULARE > <i>sembler</i> ('(to) seem')</div><div>SPINULA > <i>espingle</i> ('pin') (Lausberg's examples)</div><div>This is a fully regular pattern. Now of course the question is: did this change occur <i>immediately</i> after or <i>som<wbr>e time</i> after the vowel got deleted? If it occurred immediately after (in other words concomitant with) vowel syncope, then this change might not be interesting for you, since under this hypothesis the two original consonants of the sequence never actually came into contact. If instead the consonant insertion occurred some time after vowel deletion took place, then it may qualify as one of those cases you're looking for.</div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div>Matthieu</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_4963008054700546809gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font size="2" face="garamond, serif">_ _<br><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__uni-2Dfrankfurt.academia.edu_MatthieuSegui&d=DwMFaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=xWgwnXzyLjTDtEN1jkc-sliD_cd49k7fc7XSMi_8aeo&m=RyedCJeAJj6Q40UqcTGBbpkIIKVY2smyV91bGklvH7U&s=FtJYfmIgqYnVXSzz57r5vjmuVPGcd6wo-VKZtS8d7K8&e=" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://uni-frankfurt.academia.<wbr>edu/MatthieuSegui</a></font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font size="2" face="garamond, serif">Skype: matthieu.segui</font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-09-13 20:46 GMT+02:00 Martha Ratliff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ac6000@wayne.edu" target="_blank">ac6000@wayne.edu</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone know of a reconstruction in which someone has posited a regular change involving insertion of a consonant between two other consonants? I had always thought of excrescence as a sound change that operates on individual words
in an unpredictable fashion (that is, the low-level transitional consonant is phonologized unpredictably), but am wondering if there are cases where someone believes it to have operated in a regular, rule-governed fashion to an entire set of words.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am especially interested in insertions of the “thim<u>b</u>le”/“hom<u>b</u>re” type, but would be interested in examples of the “Ham<u>p</u>shire” type as well.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks in advance!</p><span class="m_4963008054700546809gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Martha Ratliff<u></u><u></u></p>
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