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<p><font face="Cambria">Dear Nathan,</font></p>
<p><font face="Cambria">does "word equation" in English really
require an exactly identical word form? The main problem here is
of course the term <i>word/Wort</i> which could mean either
lexeme or word form (in German, it may even mean a whole
utterance). Forms from the same verb root could be argued to be
lexematic word equations, but for different nouns from the same
root nobody would say they represent the same "word", and thus
they could not represent a "word equation". For verbs I would
also be reluctant but in this case, different stems can belong
to one paradigm and thus to one "word".<br>
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<p><font face="Cambria">I have looked into some older German
Indo-Europeanist literature and tried to find out if they speak
of "equations" but most of them apparently do not use the term
while presenting quite some equations. But the works I have consultd
so far were not from the earliest times and may have taken that
for granted already.</font></p>
<p><font face="Cambria">Best wishes,</font></p>
<p><font face="Cambria">Martin<br>
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<div>Dear Martin, <br>
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<div>Thanks for your message. I thought of Wortgleichung,
but to my ear it has a slightly different ring. If I put
a Sanskrit sigmatic aorist next to a Greek root aorist,
formed from historically the same root, that is still
Wortgleichung, isn't it? Where at least in the recent
Anglophone work a word equation has to have same root,
same suffix, and same desinence, barring minor
analogical noise. <br>
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<div>So far the clearest earliest thing like this I have
found is Watkins 1962 talking about Kuryłowicz 1958<br>
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<div style="margin-left:40px">``The formula for the
correspondence has found its expression in the alleged
threefold equation Skt. <i>avākṣam</i> = Lat. <i>uēxī</i>
= Ch. Slav. <i>vĕsŭ</i> all three reflecting IE *<i>wēgh-s</i>-."
\citep[27]{Watkins1962}<br>
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<div>Of course Watkins is arguing against this comparison,
since he does not think the sigmatic aorist had
lengthened grade; the comparison goes back to Brugmann
times. <br>
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<div>best, <br>
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<div>Nathan<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 6:46 AM, Martin
Joachim Kümmel <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Nathan,<br>
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the German term would be Wortgleichung. Unfortunately, this
appears to be used in other disciplines, too. So a first
search was not immediately helpful.<br>
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Best,<br>
Martin
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<div>I am trying to look into the variation
notions of cognancy (partial cognate, oblique
cognate, root cognate, etc.) and believe that
'word equation' is the strictest notion of
cognacy. It is a term that is very common in
Indo-European. I find it in effectively every
work since 1990. The trouble is that
Indo-Europeanists take the idea so for granted
that they never say where it comes from. The
earliest I have found is Szemerényi 1962, but
there too he says nothing of consequence about
it. Of course part of the problem is that the
internet finds very old and newer works easier
to find than things published between 1930 and
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<div>The other problem is I don't know how to say
'word equation' in French and German so am less
able to trace the idea. Oddly, despite its
importance in IE 'word equation' as a notion
doesn't make much appearance in the usual
general handbooks (Campbell, Crowley, etc.). <br>
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<div>I would be very grateful for any tips than
anyone can offer about the history of this term
and any early articulations of it as an idea. <br>
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<div>thank you very much, <br>
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<div>Nathan<br>
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