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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'>Hi Roger, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'>No, it¡¯s the fate of the
musical: nobody seems to be interested, although such interesting directors as
Kitano (as you point) or Lars von Trier in Europe, make very interesting things
with its conventions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'>As you remark very </span><span
lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>opportunely</span><span lang=IT
style='color:#1F497D'>, the question focuses in 'couple dancing', not in the
musical as a genre. It has a strong reason: it is in this kind of dance where
the symbolic sexual difference can be stablished (it is more difficult with the
ensemble dancing). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'>In fact, the
dissertation aim was to prove how couple dancing in Hollywood (with ¡°Top hat¡±
as mythical instance) worked as a corpus where generations learned how to symbolize
the sexual intercourse and the sexual difference, crystallized in the dancing
posture that could be refered to as ¡°sharp fall¡± (¡°caída sostenida¡± in
Spanish). The disertation goes from Classical Hollywood era to contemporary
cinema, that is to say, from a well stablished ¡°sharp fall¡± (like in ¡°Top Hat¡±)
to, for example, ¡°Chicago¡±, where the male dissapears, and so, the sexual
difference dissapears and, consecuently, the pedagogical function too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'>Bollywood would be the oriental
tradition where you can see both kind of dancing (couple and ensemble or group),
and without the necessity of count on Western music ¨Cand without self-orientalism...
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Good entry on last Aaron¡¯s book.
In that sense it is interesting to mark too how the two sisters, O-Kinu (Yuko
Daike) and O-Sei (Daigoro Tachibana) use their dancing precisely to make appear
the sexual desire¡ <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I couldn¡¯t see ¡°Sakuran¡± yet,
but looks interesting in this way. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks for all your interesting
commentations!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'>Lorenzo.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
owner-KineJapan@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu
[mailto:owner-KineJapan@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu] <b>En nombre de </b>Roger
Macy<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 04 de noviembre de 2008 9:28<br>
<b>Para:</b> KineJapan<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: Musical films<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Lorenzo,</span><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Didn't
anyone give this a twirl?</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>One
or two thoughts to try and get someone else on the floor, in case anyone feels
like dancing in the streets tomorrow -</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Firstly,
wouldn't you need to compare the position with other non-American cinemas?</span><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>For
many countries, their tradition of couple dancing a la Hollywood is the
watching of Hollywood films, and you'd need to look at the data on
imports. The absence (if true) of a pre-war tradition in Japan could
be explained in the early thirties by the slowness to install adequate sound
equipment in cinemas and, later on, when the spiritist ideology got going, by
simply being anglo-american. Any home-made film of extrovert
couple-dancing would need similarly-styled occidental music which simply would
not have been available.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>But
there certainly developed a strong tradition in Japan for competitive ballroom
dancing, which 'Shall we dansu?' tapped into. Surely that must have been
started by some Hollywood films?</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
note your careful delineation of 'couple dancing', but there was usually a
range of numbers in any musical that went from couples to ensembles in the same
movie. And many of these had an orientalising layer, at least. Of
course, it's perfectly possible to self-orientalise (as some examples
in Jasper's copiously resourced new book seem to demonstrate). At
least two of the essays in 'Visions of the East: Orientalism in Film' address
dance - those by Gaylyn Studlar and Adrienne McLean.</span><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>And
there's also Aaron's chapter in his 'Kitano Takeshi' on Zat¨ichi, where
assorted dance traditions are brought into the cinema. None of them, so far as
I recall, were by couples, although he certainly had his Taisho(?) villagers
stepping out on the boards.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>And,
come to think about it, doesn't the no-period 'Sakuran' self-orientalise,
particularly during song and dance numbers ? Given earlier periods'
sensitivity to orientalising (not so called) in some productions of 'Madame
Butterfly' etc. and in film exports, I can't imagine anything in earlier
periods being both commercial and acceptable to mainstream sensibilities,
particularly if there were any risk of it being exported.</span><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Exiting
left,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Roger</span><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:ljth2006@gmail.com"
title="ljth2006@gmail.com">Lorenzo Javier Torres Hortelano</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:KineJapan@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu"
title="KineJapan@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu">KineJapan@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, October 21,
2008 5:24 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Musical films<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT>These days I belong to a PhD dissertation
committee. The dissertation is about couple dancing in the Classical Hollywood
Cinema. One question comes to my mind: What is the reason Japanese cinema
didn¡¯t have a similar tradition?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Lorenzo J.
Torres Hortelano<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Profesor Titular<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Universidad Rey
Juan Carlos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Fac. Ciencias de
la Comunicaci¨®n<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Camino del
Molino s/n<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>28943
Fuenlabrada (Madrid)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Despacho 244b<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>914888445<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=IT><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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