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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>As to the former, you
could say it’s a function of wiki entries cross pollinating with a view
of Japan coloured by those who have only viewed through their computer screens.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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owner-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">KineJapan@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">KineJapan@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</st1:PersonName>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Roger Macy<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 05, 2009
4:35 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> KineJapan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> 'many Japanese'</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Akemashite omedetou gozaimasu.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Last week, I went to the final screening at
the NFT of the BFI's season: 'Wild <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Japan</st1:place></st1:country-region>: Sex in Japanese Cinema in
the 60s and 70s', where they showed Imamura's </span></font><em><i><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Arial'>“Erogotoshitachi”
yori: Jinruigaku nyûmon</span></font></i></em><font face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Arial'> (<em><i><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>The Pornographers</span></font></i></em>).</span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I was irritated by this passage from the notes:
"Incest and paedophilia would be almost universally accepted disturbing
pornographic concepts, and yet Imamura turns both conventions on their head by
making mother/son, father/daughter trysts at any age seem a normal,
if unspoken, rite of passage for many Japanese."</span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The notes were all taken from one site,
dvdverdict.com, and credited to Bill Gibron.</span></font><font face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Clearly, Imamura <u>does</u> address incest in this
film and is making a commentary on the society he sees, but to put into his
mouth the observation that incest is a national activity is unjustified and, in
my view, plain wrong. What is it about much popular writing on Japanese
that allows non-specialists to write generalisations about 'The Japanese' that
they wouldn't dream of writing about fiction from closer to hand? (And I
think that putting the racial categorisation into the mouth of Imamura makes it
worse, not better.) Was Euripides, and his many followers, in <em><i><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>Medea</span></font></i></em>, writing
that child murder was normal for many Georgians? etc. etc. It recalls, to
my mind, some of the war-time propaganda for which some of the writers at
least, made amends afterwards.</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I should add that most of the season's notes have
been very good, as the notes' editors have relied on Jasper Sharp's new
book. In its many tens of thousands of words, although there is
the material for several debates, I don't think you'll find a remark like
that. But <em><i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>The
Pornographers</span></font></i></em> is not directly reviewed there, so the
editors had to cast elsewhere. Far better sources would have
been David Desser's <em><i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>Eros
plus Massacre</span></font></i></em>, where <em><i><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>Pornographers</span></font></i></em> and incest
is dealt with very carefully, or in Audie Bock.</span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I can see that the list has looked at western takes
on the Japanese before, but I hope you will indulge my getting this off my
chest?</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Incidentally, whilst casting around the internet for
reviews, I noticed I could buy a term paper on <em><i><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>The Pornographers</span></font></i></em> for $55, so
I'm guessing that at least one list-member has set such paper?</span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="http://www.academon.com/lib/paper/103002.html">http://www.academon.com/lib/paper/103002.html</a></span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>or, if</span></font><font size=4><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:13.5pt'> </span></font><span lang=EN-GB>'you want your
essay to have an added edge'</span><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-family:Arial'>, it's still £30, </span></font><font face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="http://cssa-shef.org.uk/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=82139&extra=page%3D2">http://cssa-shef.org.uk/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=82139&extra=page%3D2</a></span></font><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>so you might as well have the reading done as well
...</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Roger</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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