<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Thanks, Dick -- even though you have made this even MORE confusing. ;~}</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Michael<br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Dick Stegewerns <dick.stegewerns@xs4all.nl><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Michael Kerpan
<mekerpan@kerpan.com>; Japanese Cinema Discussion Forum <kinejapan@lists.service.ohio-state.edu> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, October 6, 2013 6:07 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [KineJapan] Naruse's "Aki tachinu"<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv3854657100"><div>
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My classical Japanese classes are quite some time ago, but since
this is the verb '<i>tatsu</i>' you would need 'tata-' (<i>izenkei</i>
or <i>mizenkei</i>, forgot which one) to make a negation (modern
<i>tatanai</i>, or slightly older <i>tatanu</i>), while this more
archaic form where -nu is added to 'tachi-' (probably <i>renyokei</i>)
is affirmative and thus should mean that something has come about.
Although '<i>tatsu</i>' can also mean 'to leave'...<br clear="none">
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Op 6-10-2013 6:46, Michael Kerpan schreef:<br clear="none">
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think this may have come up before...<br clear="none">
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The former standard translation of this film's tile seems to
have been something like "The Approach of Autumn" (and something
similar in French). IMDB now lists the English title as "Autumn
Has Already Started". Apparently the -nu in tachinu can
indicate either negation or that something is starting... How
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