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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I just had the Eastwood fight too, and we got into Eastwood's recent political speech. The position in defense of his films was that Eastwood the crank is isolated outside the work, which stands on its own as storytelling craft
or whatever. I haven't seen the new film, and don't intend to, but I would like to hear someone try to make the argument that this material is isolated from ideology! I wish I'd thought of Jeremy's clever Takeshi switch when I was fighting this one out.</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">The Japan Times article is great. I laughed out loud several times while reading it.</p>
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<div dir="ltr">I was wondering about this, Mark. All the people I've had the Clintwood argument with are men. I do think his swaggering masculinity is part of the attraction. Combined with auteurism, it's a heady mix.
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Thanks for the reference to Stéphane Bouquet's book, Jeremy.
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<div>I guess a follow-up question would be: is the "Eastwood effect" in Japan similar to what Bouquet describes amongst audiences in France. I.e., does his work enjoy a generally favorable reception, not so much because of any quality of his films, but rather
because of an aura that surrounds the man himself, an imaginary of "la vieille Amérique, ... l’Amérique idéale" ?</div>
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<div class="x_gmail_default">I've had the American Sniper fight too. Good read, this article.</div>
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<div class="x_gmail_default">I want to concede that being from the same country can leave one blind to an artist's beauty, but it's so true that no one will ever say what they think is so *good* about his movies. And it’s not like they’re all terrible enough
to knock down one by one. They just don’t feel very meticulously considered or crafted. It has led to many very frustrating nights of drinking with othewise great friends (possibly on this list?) - cinefils and movie lovers. The first time it started happening,
around 2008, I went and watched every movie he’d made for the previous ten years. And they just don’t even begin to warrant comparisons to other American masters—say John Ford, whose name has come up in these conversations. (nor, per the article, Hitchcok
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<div class="x_gmail_default">I do have a modest response to (Japanese) people I’ve met who were apparently moved by Gran Torino as some kind of redemption for US wars in Asia, which is to ask them to imagine the same movie made by and starring Takeshi as a
racist cold-hearted war veteran, with the audience laughing along with him cursing up a storm of racial slurs for the first half, until he warms to some delicious food and underage kids whom only he can save, through literal sacrifice in a shower of cherry
blossoms. Set in Okubo or someplace. Call the film Yamazakura or Yaezakura or something.</div>
<div class="x_gmail_default">This comparision doesn’t work for Eastwood fans who don’t like Gran Torino though.</div>
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<div class="x_gmail_default">Apparently it’s a scourge in France too: </div>
<div class="x_gmail_default"><a href="http://www.capricci.fr/clint-fucking-eastwood-80.html" target="_blank">Clint Fucking Eastwood </a></div>
<div class="x_gmail_default">"Eastwood a le droit à un étrange traitement de faveur qui s’explique, me semble-t-il, par le fait qu’on a cru, et continue à croire, au fétiche. Il y a une façon d’héroïsation du cinéaste qui fonctionne à plein chez les spectateurs,
comme s’ils étaient contents d’avoir encore un objet à vénérer. Je pousserais volontiers un pas plus loin en précisant que le fétiche que vénèrent les spectateurs français ce n’est pas seulement l’homme Eastwood mais l’homme qui se prend pour la vieille Amérique,
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<div dir="auto"> Nice Hadfield article on the critical fawning for Clint Eastwood on Japan. I once had a conversation with Funahashi-san about American Sniper that devolved into an argument where neither of us could understand the other or care to budge. Since
then I studiously avoid the subject. I can’t say Hadfield has cracked the Clint Code—-unless I is, indeed, Hasumi’s fault—- but it’s an entertaining read.</div>
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