From zagatti at versailles.inra.fr Thu Jul 1 04:54:00 1999 From: zagatti at versailles.inra.fr (Pierre Zagatti) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:54:00 +0200 Subject: Collecting anything and future nature interest References: <01bec2c7$9872e6a0$LocalHost@e5q5n1>, <3.0.5.16.19990630121000.47170ac2@mail.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <377B2CA8.BC2E7A@versailles.inra.fr> > > Remember this is an international people problem. Protect habitat not > species. If they have habitat the species will survive, even enough of them > that a surplus may be harvested. (cut) In democratic contries, protection of species is the first step to protect habitats. If I find a really endangered species in my backyard, I can write to the mayor, the deputy or directly to the government, they'll say -well this is your opinion- but if I write I've found a species that is ON THE LIST of officially protected species, it may lead to official protection of this particuliar area (sometimes...). Yes, collecting (not trading) has nothing to do with species extinction, yes, children need to be allowed to collect everything to become responsible naturalists later, but unless one of us become Minister, our managers need an official status of species to go on with protection of biotopes. In France, we tried for years to propose lists of species, not protected, but significant to propose protection of their habitats, we called them 'red lists' or 'patrimonial species lists', but it never worked as long as they were not converted into lists of protected species. Fortunately, we have in this country several species that are officially protected and still common: the Marsh Fritillary (Euphydryas aurinia - yes Neil :-) ), the large stag beetle Lucanus cervus or Cerambyx cerdo (don't know the English name). Beyond really rare species, these 3 species are the most important tool to propose protection of habitats that have still a real diversity of fauna and flora, which is the most important for me. And it works, do you know that construction of a very important motorway (in the Loire Valley) is totally stopped since 1998, because it crosses a small wood where lives Osmoderma eremita (large cetonid - English name ?) ? All the best, -- Pierre ZAGATTI INRA Unite de Phytopharmacie et Mediateurs Chimiques 78026 Versailles Cedex FRANCE Tel: (33) 1 30 83 31 18 e-mail zagatti at versailles.inra.fr http://www.jouy.inra.fr/papillon/ From spruance at infinet.com Thu Jul 1 07:54:36 1999 From: spruance at infinet.com (Eric or Pat Metzler) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 07:54:36 -0400 Subject: Lep -list URGENT References: <7ldp29$2h6$1@epos.tesco.net> Message-ID: <377B56FC.6A66@infinet.com> > > Hi, > > The entomology mailing list has had several requests on how to join Lep-l. > I've just seen posts to this group from people that think that this is the > address to subscribe to. 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The list leps-livestock-list at leach.nhm.ac.uk is a forum specifically welcoming commercial trade notices, and can be joined by sending a subscribe request to majordomo at leach.nhm.ac.uk ********************************************************************** Questions and/or comments about LEPS-L may be addressed to the LEPS-L listowner, Larry Gall, at lawrence.gall at yale.edu LEPS-L HOME PAGE = http://www.peabody.yale.edu/other/lepsl From drdn at mail.utexas.edu Thu Jul 1 00:55:59 1999 From: drdn at mail.utexas.edu (Chris J. Durden) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:55:59 -0500 Subject: Collecting anything and future nature interest In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19990701162813.0069fb18@versailles.inra.fr> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990630235559.007e84f0@mail.utexas.edu> protect habitat is based on unanticipated side effects of this procedure. It does make unrelated field research on other components of the endangered habitat much harder, and often impossible for unfunded or amateur researchers. The proliferation of regulations are indeed an impediment, requiring expenditure of research time and bureaucratic energy to satisfy the letter of laws not written to cover the activity but extended to include it as an afterthought. This is the best I can say about the process in a democratic law abiding country. In other countries the permit procedure may include a catch-22 that is unattainable and renders the desired research activity to be not legally possible. When the democratic country requires permits from the other country for admittance of research materials - the result is to render research on whole systematic groups in arbitrary geographic regions off limits for any low-budget researcher. I cannot ask tourist friends off to an interesting place, to bring me back a few cockroach specimens, the way I used to. I now have to make my own permitted expedition to do this sampling. The serendipetous collecting that enriched the research of our predecessors, on whose shoulders we stand, is no longer possible. ........Chris Durden At 06:28 1/07/99 +0200, you wrote: >At 23:17 30/06/99 -0500, you wrote: > >> Yes this approach works in France, a country of mostly well educated, law >>observing citizens under a relatively strong government, but would it work >>in Serbia, Bulgaria, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Congo, Colombia ..... ? >>A lot of the world, is not like Western Europe or USA. What conservation >>policies would work in these other countries? >>........Chris Durden > >You're right, it's the reason why I began my message with >'In democratic countries'. > >Have a good day, > >Pierre Zagatti >INRA Unite de Phytopharmacie et Mediateurs Chimiques >Bat. A Route de St-Cyr >78026 VERSAILLES CEDEX >FRANCE >Tel: (33) 1 30 83 31 18 >e-mail zagatti at versailles.inra.fr >http://www.jouy.inra.fr/papillon/ > > From kgrubb2 at wvu.edu Thu Jul 1 14:30:31 1999 From: kgrubb2 at wvu.edu (Karen Grubb) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 14:30:31 -0400 Subject: Leaf Litter Leps Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990701143031.007a4810@wvu.edu> I have been collecting and rearing leaf litter Lepidoptera with some success. However, I have had difficulty locating literature on the subject. Please contact me if you know of any relevant resources. I am especially interested in Idia aemula, Idia julia, Zanclognatha pedipilalis, and Zanclognatha lituralis. Thank you. Karen J. Grubb Graduate Research Assistant Plant and Soil Sci./ Entomology West Virginia University PO Box 6108 Morgantown, WV 26506-6108 phone:(304)284-0733 e-mail: kgrubb2 at wvu.edu From truezane at loop.com Thu Jul 1 14:20:22 1999 From: truezane at loop.com (J Shields) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:20:22 -0700 Subject: giant swallowtail returns Message-ID: <377BB164.852A8644@loop.com> I had observed several giant swallowtails last year, in September and October, in my yard in mar vista CA; today, July 1, I have been watching one in my backyard for the past hour. It looks as though they're taking up residency in my neighborhood. It seems to like landing on my tomato plants - not interested in my natives in the front yard. Anyway, I will be watching to see if it lays any eggs on my neighbor's orange tree. Just thought I would share this Anyone interested can contact me From MasterChem at aol.com Thu Jul 1 15:02:10 1999 From: MasterChem at aol.com (MasterChem at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:02:10 EDT Subject: Interested in exchanges... Message-ID: Hi! I am new to the lep list and excited about hearing from you all. I am from Oklahoma USA and I collect, trade, adn even sometimes rear Lepidoptera adn Coleoptera. Recently I gave my entire collection (2000-3000 specimens and growing) to the Entomology museum at Oklahoma State University (on indefinate loan). I am a Biochemistry student there. The curator has expressed an interest in getting represenative specimens from South and Central america of all orders. I have since been trading to add to the collection. My personal interests are in both dead and live specimens. I rear A. polyphemus and two species of heliconid butterflies now. If anyone is interested in exchanging or just chatting about insect collecting, please email me. Thanks! MasterChem at aol.com From mothman617 at aol.com Thu Jul 1 18:23:45 1999 From: mothman617 at aol.com (Mothman617) Date: 01 Jul 1999 22:23:45 GMT Subject: Interested in exchanges... References: Message-ID: <19990701182345.12754.00008557@ng-cb1.aol.com> To Master Chem ----- Hello I am from Massachusetts. I also am looking to exchange specimens and livestock. I am particularly interested in Sphingidae and Saturnidae. Right now I am searching for Ova or pupae of C. regalis. Regalis does occur here and I do find them, but only males. I would also be interested in Sphingidae and Catocala (Noctuidae) moths from your region. Thank you - M. Arey From MWalker at gensym.com Thu Jul 1 20:27:16 1999 From: MWalker at gensym.com (Mark Walker) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:27:16 -0400 Subject: Cypridpedium Abounding in Vermont Message-ID: <45F8A30CE009D2118F850000F805064D8FE4A9@hqmail.gensym.com> Granted, we're talking about Ladyslipper Orchids and not flying orchids, but they're just as beautiful and the idea is an incredible one. Some on the list may recall my mentioning a friend Scott Durkee from Vermont who has mastered a technique for propagating Ladyslipper orchids (genus Cypridpedium) from seed in the laboratory - a process previously believed to be impossible. The process was designed to make available these beautiful plants to all orchid fans with the potential of helping to stabilize and potentially enhance the relatively few remaining wild populations through propagation and minimization of collecting pressure. Scott has recently announced a new web page that I thought you might be interested in: http://www.vtladyslipper.com/ Included are some nice photographs of the different species Scott has been able to propagate. I personally babysat the plants you see in the photographs while Scott vacationed in Nova Scotia, so they're pretty special to me. Enjoy! Mark Walker Mission Viejo, CA From cguppy at quesnelbc.com Thu Jul 1 21:54:47 1999 From: cguppy at quesnelbc.com (Cris Guppy & Aud Fischer) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:54:47 -0700 Subject: NABA and butterfly watching Message-ID: <005101bec44d$d0dca6c0$7cdcc2cf@cguppy> I find that a properly administered pinch on the thorax is fatal to most butterflies. Improperly applied it stuns but causes permanent damage so that the butterfly dies even if released. Butterflies that are most difficult to kill with a pinch properly are those which are large and powerful (Swallowtail, Parnassians, Monarchs, etc). I find that forceps should be used to be certain of a fatal pinch without damaging the specimen. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Walker To: 'cguppy at quesnelbc.com' ; LEPS-L Discussiegroep Date: June 30, 1999 4:24 PM Subject: RE: NABA and butterfly watching >Just for the record, I have been using the freezer for years now and I swear >by it. A cooler in the field can guarantee that you can get your specimens >back home alive and, if desired, into the freezer. Actually, my >understanding is that pinching the thorax is not usually fatal, but is >intended to only paralyze (prevent from flying). I haven't mastered this >technique, but those I know who have are very good indeed. They tend to >know how to handle butterflies with their hands, and can quickly decide >whether a particular specimen is a keeper. It's a good thing, too, because >this technique does not allow one to discriminate and release. > >Mark Walker. > >Chris Guppy wrote: > >> >> One thing that everyone should be aware of, from kids on up, is that a >> "kind" way of killing all insects is the home freezer. They >> cool down and >> become inactive in the same way as if it was a cold night, and never >> "realize" that they are dying. Aside from the ethical issue, >> it avoids a lot >> of fluttering around in a killing jar, with damage to the resulting >> specimen. This is obviously not practical in the field, but >> around home it >> works well. Mind you, I prefer the "pinch on the thorax" >> method because it >> is instant for all but the largest butterflies. >> >> And for the "watchers": putting the butterfly in the refrigerator (not >> freezer) inactivates them and allows close observation, >> without harm to the >> butterfly (this holds true for temperate species at least, I >> have no idea if >> some tropical species might be sensitive to refrigerator >> temperatures). >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Guy Van de Poel >> To: LEPS-L Discussiegroep >> Date: June 20, 1999 9:08 AM >> Subject: Re: NABA and butterfly watching >> >> >> >Though I consider this discussion to be somewhat proper to >> the US, I would >> >like to add some comments. >> > >> >I started butterflying as an 6-7 year old, with my hands and >> a marmalade >> >jar. Those pretty things were interesting, and with my newly acquired >> >reading skills, I started getting books in the local library. >> >They taught me lots of things on butterflies, and also how >> to catch and >> >spread them. I used a simple net, though the netting was a >> transparent >> >plastic bag, and I used ether to kill them in my jar (still >> marmalade), >> >which took longer, but I put the jar away in a bag, so I did >> not have to >> >watch them dying (I still do). >> >In fourth class, we had a teacher that encouraged us to do things not >> >directly related to school, be it playing football (soccer >> for some of you) >> >or - in my case - collecting insects. >> >You read it right, insects. The area where I grew up, even >> in the late >> >sixties, didn't have that much different species of >> butterflies any more, >> in >> >total maybe ten. So I grew interested in all kinds of >> insects, and it was >> my >> >greatest pleasure to find something during the week, and >> then spend Sunday >> >researching it in the library. The librarian (the same >> teacher) let me look >> >in the shelves that were meant for the grown ups. I used >> both scientific >> and >> >Dutch names for the things I found, because some of the bugs >> simply did not >> >have a common name, and after all, common names were only to >> communicate >> >with 'other' people, that were not 'really' interested. But >> in my small, >> >though ever growing collection, I arranged them with their scientific >> names, >> >the ones that belonged with each other in the same box. >> These scientific >> >names had a 'magic' feeling in them, it made me dream of far-away >> countries. >> >My father's aunt was a missionary in Zaire (we all still >> called it Congo), >> >and when she came back for a short leave, I showed her my >> collection. In >> >short, after some story-telling, she promised me to bring me >> some the next >> >time she would come back to Belgium. She did, five years later. The >> >collecting was done on Sunday mornings, the only time during >> the week she >> >had some free moments (after the mass, of course). The area >> where she was >> >at, Mbandaka on the Congo River, is the richest in Africa >> where it comes to >> >butterfly species. And they're big too. >> >In what we call Middle school (age 12-18), we had an arts >> teacher that >> >shared my interest for insects, though he primarily painted >> them. He had >> >some books I hadn't seen before, but the best thing about him was his >> >encouragement for me being busy with bugs. Even my biology >> teacher wasn't >> >interested, that one only wanted results on the tests. >> >And then my aunt came back. Big problem. Where was I going >> to find the >> names >> >and data on all of these ? The library of the school was not >> much of a >> help, >> >my arts teacher had better and more. So I went to the Zoo in >> Antwerp, and >> >from their exhibited collection (Congo was our ex-colony), I >> managed to ID >> >most of them. >> >During the next summer leave, my arts teacher died, way too young. >> >Meanwhile, I had started rearing butterflies (my father >> didn't really like >> >it - he did the garden), and got lucky with some of our >> larger species - it >> >was the first time I saw a live Papilio machaon. >> >My mother died, and my life was rearranged. I was growing up >> too, my own >> >hormones causing interest in other living beings than >> butterflies. School >> >was nothing for me, I thought, so up to the factory. >> >The Belgian Army still had conscripts then, and there was no >> way to escape. >> >... And though my name isn't Davy, I'm still in the Navy, >> and probably will >> >be for life. It's the army actually. >> >But being with the Paratroops, meant being out 7 months a >> year, and I liked >> >it. Though I did not collect any more, I got to all kinds of >> places, not >> >only in Belgium, but all over Europe. My interest was still >> there, and from >> >the bees of Scotland to the wasps in Turkey, the beetles in >> Spain or the >> >butterflies everywhere, I enjoyed it. >> >But the times changed, and from training defense against the >> Russians, we >> >found ourselves in Congo (yes, they are there, as big and >> beautiful as the >> >ones I still have at home), Rwanda and Somalia. Where the >> first two were >> >brief operations, which did not leave me much free time, Somalia was >> >different. Four months, one trunk of luggage, and I knew six days in >> advance >> >I had to go. >> >After two weeks, I had read almost all of the books I had >> taken, and while >> I >> >was working as a wireless operator, I had lots of free time. >> We (+- 20) >> were >> >based some 120 km away from the coast and the main base, in >> the middle of >> >the Thorn-bush Savannah. We did patrols so that somebody >> else could stay at >> >the base, just to keep the time going. We hunted, there was >> enough wildlife >> >: antelopes, crocodiles (mmmmm), the big non-flying birds >> that hide their >> >head in the sand (at least that's what they do in Dutch, hope you >> understand >> >what I mean) and especially the locally thriving large wild >> African pigs >> >(Somalians are Muslims, the dummies :-). And after a good >> hunt, there was a >> >good grill. But, when the last book was read, I was in trouble. >> >Not yet. There were butterflies too. So after some >> consideration (I was >> >amidst of Paratroops after all), I started constructing a >> net from high >> >tension wire, a pole antenna section and my personal >> head-mosquitonet. At >> >first, I only hunted when off-duty, but after a few days, >> the fever had >> come >> >back to its full extent, and I put the remote control for the radio >> outside, >> >volume on maximum, so that I could hunt all of the time. The >> colleagues, >> >after some initial laughter (you could hear them till the main base), >> >adapted quickly, and even brought me some specimens every >> once in a while. >> >The remaining three months went by as if it were merely >> weeks, and if there >> >were no butterflies, there were wasps, beetles, ants ... >> >After returning home, I needed to set them, so I started >> looking for pins. >> >Which after some months, through some friends who collected stamps, >> >succeeded when I found out about the Antwerp Entomological >> Society. These >> >are people that share a common interest: Nature. After some >> initial 'doing >> >everything', I decided to stick with my first love >> butterflies, since you >> >can't do everything (unless you're a Baron Rothschild or >> something, which >> >I'm clearly not). I still have 'the fever', though I now >> live and work in >> >Germany, but I can communicate with my friends over the www, >> and there's >> you >> >too. >> >Through my general interest in insects and nature, it's easy >> to see that >> >mistakes are being made everywhere. We don't do a good job >> in Belgium (our >> >longest forest is 40 km long, but only 30 m [sic] large, and >> between the >> >lanes of the Brussels-Antwerp highway) (and did you read >> about our chickens >> >lately ?). The small village where I grew up now has only >> about 7 different >> >species left, and it's not getting better, on the contrary. >> The Germans >> have >> >better laws protecting the environment, and they are being >> applied (in >> >Belgium you sometimes get the impression you only need to >> know the Mayor's >> >hairdresser to obtain a permit to build your new house in >> the middle of a >> >protected green area)(and some money of course). But too >> often 'nature' is >> >synonymic to neatly mowed lawns. And the Germans like neat >> things. So the >> >neighborhood I'm living in now, looks like the one I grew up >> in in Belgium. >> >So in about 20 years, this too will be an ecological desert. >> > >> >For those who are still reading, the comments: >> > >> >I firmly believe common names are not necessary, but helpful. >> >Standardization ? Let those do it that want to do it, there's more >> important >> >things to do. >> > >> >If you want to have interested grown-ups, start with the >> children. Children >> >will learn everything, but they need some encouragement the >> school 'system' >> >does not give them. The www is a great thing for this, and >> every time a kid >> >asks a question, it should be answered. It's easy enough for >> you who speak >> >English, there is work to do for the rest of us, all over the world. >> > >> >Collecting ? Without wanting to restart the usual debate, >> I'm pretty sure >> >for me that's where it all comes from. What about letting >> kids collect >> where >> >they want ? If you have somebody guiding them, they will grow up as >> >knowledgeable people, who after all will have to live in - >> and clean up - >> >the mess we created. >> > >> >Taking pictures instead ? My parents would surely not have >> given me their >> >camera when I was that small, and I only got a good one very >> recently. I >> >already spoiled a lot of films (I'm thinking of starting to >> cheat, sorry >> >Anne), and for me it's a nice addition to collecting, but will never >> >completely replace it, especially not in areas where I >> haven't been before. >> > >> >Be careful with mass-popularization of anything. I'm always >> afraid when I >> >see and hear about such things. It may work out for you, but >> I think most >> >Europeans get visions of Coca Cola and burgers to accompany >> the wrestling >> >championships. And 'dumbing down' the subject is not really >> the solution. >> >E.g.: in a Belgian reserve, they tended to mow and burn the >> whole of the >> >grassland annually. I need not explain what this did to the >> skippers. But >> >they were 'plant folks'. >> > >> >This took the better part of this Sunday afternoon, but it's >> no butterfly >> >weather anyway. My cat just came by to tell me she's hungry, >> so I better >> >start doing these 'more important things' she insists on. >> > >> >Guy. >> > >> >Guy Van de Poel >> >Guy_VdP at t-online.de >> > >> >Royal Entomological Society of Antwerp >> >http://www.freeyellow.com/members/fransjanssens/index.html >> > >> > >> > From MYTZ14A at prodigy.com Fri Jul 2 08:48:14 1999 From: MYTZ14A at prodigy.com (Sunsol Daniels) Date: 2 Jul 1999 12:48:14 GMT Subject: NABA meeting in Palo Alto, California Message-ID: <7licee$4m6c$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> The South Bay Chapter of NABA is having a summer meeting at the Peninsula Conservation Center (PCC) in Palo Alto. Guest speaker Arnold Levine will discuss the Bay Area Butterfly Corridor. Anyone interested is invited to come and bring a friend. Wednesday, July 14th 6:30-8:30 PM. PCC is located on Corporation Way near Highway 101. Sally From MYTZ14A at prodigy.com Fri Jul 2 08:52:15 1999 From: MYTZ14A at prodigy.com (Sunsol Daniels) Date: 2 Jul 1999 12:52:15 GMT Subject: giant swallowtail returns References: <377bb164.852a8644@loop.com> Message-ID: <7liclv$2b5o$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> > >I had observed several giant swallowtails last year, in September and >October, in my yard in mar vista CA; today, July 1, I have been watching >one in my backyard for the past hour. It looks as though they're taking >up residency in my neighborhood. It seems to like landing on my tomato >plants - not interested in my natives in the front yard. Anyway, I will >be watching to see if it lays any eggs on my neighbor's orange tree. >Just thought I would share this >Anyone interested can contact me What was it doing on the tomato plant? Sunning? I saw a swallowtail (Western Tiger?) visiting avocado leaves yesterday. It looked like it was laying eggs. I haven't tried to get up there to look. Has anybody found larvae on avocado? I've never read of such a thing. Is it possible? Sally From viceroy at anu.ie Fri Jul 2 10:03:49 1999 From: viceroy at anu.ie (Anne Kilmer) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 15:03:49 +0100 Subject: giant swallowtail returns References: <377bb164.852a8644@loop.com> <7liclv$2b5o$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID: <377CC6C5.7E7C8340@anu.ie> > What was it doing on the tomato plant? Sunning? I saw a swallowtail > (Western Tiger?) visiting avocado leaves yesterday. It looked like it > was laying eggs. I haven't tried to get up there to look. Has anybody > found larvae on avocado? I've never read of such a thing. Is it possible? > > Sally I've seen considerable action on avocado ... I think they're nectaring on the honeydew dripped by lace bugs. There's a swallowtail (Palamedes? I forget) that lays on some avocado trees, but I think it's particular. Enjoy Anne Kilmer Mayo Ireland From be496 at lafn.org Fri Jul 2 02:28:17 1999 From: be496 at lafn.org (wanda) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 23:28:17 -0700 Subject: SoWestLepLine References: <7licee$4m6c$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID: <377C5C01.347683F4@lafn.org> Dear Sally, Hope you don't mind my forwarding this to those closer to home that may not be on Leps-L. SoWest Lep on line as of 3/99 covers the regions of Southern California, Southern Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico U.S.A., and Baja California, & Sonora, Mexico. To subscribe go to www.onelist.com/subscribe/SoWestLep Cheers, Wanda Dameron Los Angeles Sunsol Daniels wrote: > > The South Bay Chapter of NABA is having a summer meeting at the Peninsula Conservation Center (PCC) in Palo Alto. Guest speaker Arnold Levine will discuss the Bay Area Butterfly Corridor. Anyone interested is invited to come and bring a friend. Wednesday, July 14th 6:30-8:30 PM. > > PCC is located on Corporation Way near Highway 101. > > Sally From llecerf at videotron.ca Fri Jul 2 17:32:46 1999 From: llecerf at videotron.ca (llecerf at videotron.ca) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 21:32:46 GMT Subject: Interested in exchanges... References: Message-ID: <7ljb5t$naj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Hi I am interested in exchanges too, and you can see my list of available species on my web site : http://pages.infinit.net/laurentl But note that I will be offline in July for collecting and not able to exchange before August. Thanks Laurent In article , MasterChem at aol.com wrote: > > Hi! > > I am new to the lep list and excited about hearing from you all. > > I am from Oklahoma USA and I collect, trade, adn even sometimes rear > Lepidoptera adn Coleoptera. > > Recently I gave my entire collection (2000-3000 specimens and growing) to the > Entomology museum at Oklahoma State University (on indefinate loan). I am a > Biochemistry student there. > The curator has expressed an interest in getting represenative specimens from > South and Central america of all orders. > > I have since been trading to add to the collection. > > My personal interests are in both dead and live specimens. I rear A. > polyphemus and two species of heliconid butterflies now. > > If anyone is interested in exchanging or just chatting about insect > collecting, please email me. > Thanks! > MasterChem at aol.com > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From kmoon at ucla.edu Fri Jul 2 17:52:45 1999 From: kmoon at ucla.edu (Kathleen Moon) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:52:45 -0700 Subject: giant swallowtail returns References: <377bb164.852a8644@loop.com>, <7liclv$2b5o$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID: <377D34AD.A12EA2C@ucla.edu> > > J Shields wrote: > > > >I had observed several giant swallowtails last year, in September and > >October, in my yard in mar vista CA; today, July 1, I have been > watching > >one in my backyard for the past hour. It looks as though they're > taking > >up residency in my neighborhood. It seems to like landing on my tomato > >plants - not interested in my natives in the front yard. Anyway, I > will > >be watching to see if it lays any eggs on my neighbor's orange tree. > >Just thought I would share this > >Anyone interested can contact me > > What was it doing on the tomato plant? Sunning? I saw a swallowtail > (Western Tiger?) visiting avocado leaves yesterday. It looked like it > was laying eggs. I haven't tried to get up there to look. Has anybody > found larvae on avocado? I've never read of such a thing. Is it possible? When it comes to the western tiger using avocado as a larval host, I have no idea, but I saw something that looked like a large western tiger swallowtail (maybe a stray two-tailed swallowtail?) lay eggs on our peach tree three years ago. Given that the latter uses western chokecherry - both peach and chokecherry are in the genus Prunus - in the area near Gorman (about halfway between Los Angeles and Bakersfield, for those of you who are not familiar with southern California geography), that didn't sound to far-fetched except for the elevation difference: Canoga Park is at about 850 feet elevation, whereas the area I am talking about is over 6000 feet. Now for the "normal" stuff :-) for the western tiger, sycamore is more within the realm of reason, and various citrus for the giant swallowtail. As for the mentality that, so prevalent in today's society, has man subjugating nature right and left, it was only a matter of time befoire the giant made it into the Los Angeles area. If you or anyone else wishes to question my attitude on this, just look around you: how far is it to the nearest citrus tree? Given that the giant is a fairly strong flier, don't you think it could make it from one group of trees, an actual grove or orchard or not, to the next in a season? The answer is yes and it is nothing short of ludicrous to think that it can be controlled by spraying the [!@#$%^] out of it to make it stay away from our trees. Another look at the situation: it is a tropical species; how cold a winter do you think it can survive? We do get some rather hard freezes around here... - cold enough to freeze out the gulf fritillary, another tropical species. From spamhater at nospam.nyet Fri Jul 2 18:37:54 1999 From: spamhater at nospam.nyet (spamhater at nospam.nyet) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 22:37:54 GMT Subject: Rearing Orgyia larvae Message-ID: <377d3aa1.15264608@netnews.worldnet.att.net> I have reared O. leucostigma; it is very easy to care for. In one case a 5th instar larva was found on an apple tree in my yard last year in July and was fed on apple. Generally if it is large enough to positively identify, it is in or close to its final instar, so you don't have much more care to worry about. It will pupate just fine in any container you keep it in, mine did in a petri dish. No soil required- the larvae are not subterranean pupators. If you do get a female, she will be wingless, looking like a fat white furry thing (imagine a miniature Actias luna adult with it's wings removed) and it is easy to not even realize it has eclosed. Look carefully in whatever container you have her in, she usually just sits right on the empty pupal case/cocoon, waiting for a mate. Put her outside at dusk, (after the birds are asleep) on a treetrunk, or, alternatively, inside a jar with a screen lid (so her pheromones can escape), and watch the males come in (they are very similar to, and easily mistaken for, male Gypsy moths- look for the white markings in the FW discal area). When a male does arrive, let him into the jar and copulation will occur immediately. I have not timed the duration of mating, but I can tell you that the female will begin to lay, on parting, a strange, white frothy egg mass, the ova being embedded in a foamy substance as the female extrudes them, which hardens into a firm mass, not unlike that produced by tent caterpillar moths (Lasiocampidae). She'll lay the egg mass wherever she happens to be sitting, so make sure it's in a convenient spot. If you keep the ova, they'll hatch in about 10 to 14 days (depending on temperature) and you'll have many hundreds of tiny larvae (and I do mean tiny!) to take care of (best bet is to release most and keep a few for further rearing). From acynor at fullerton.edu Fri Jul 2 20:13:33 1999 From: acynor at fullerton.edu (Anthony W. Cynor) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 17:13:33 -0700 Subject: giant swallowtail returns References: <377bb164.852a8644@loop.com>, <7liclv$2b5o$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com> <377D34AD.A12EA2C@ucla.edu> Message-ID: <377D55AD.98796071@fullerton.edu> > > Sunsol Daniels wrote: > > > > J Shields wrote: > > > > > >I had observed several giant swallowtails last year, in September and > > >October, in my yard in mar vista CA; today, July 1, I have been > > watching > > >one in my backyard for the past hour. It looks as though they're > > taking > > >up residency in my neighborhood. It seems to like landing on my tomato > > >plants - not interested in my natives in the front yard. Anyway, I > > will > > >be watching to see if it lays any eggs on my neighbor's orange tree. > > >Just thought I would share this > > >Anyone interested can contact me > > > > What was it doing on the tomato plant? Sunning? I saw a swallowtail > > (Western Tiger?) visiting avocado leaves yesterday. It looked like it > > was laying eggs. I haven't tried to get up there to look. Has anybody > > found larvae on avocado? I've never read of such a thing. Is it possible? > > When it comes to the western tiger using avocado as a larval host, I > have no idea, but I saw something that looked like a large western tiger > swallowtail (maybe a stray two-tailed swallowtail?) lay eggs on our > peach tree three years ago. Given that the latter uses western > chokecherry - both peach and chokecherry are in the genus Prunus - in > the area near Gorman (about halfway between Los Angeles and Bakersfield, > for those of you who are not familiar with southern California > geography), that didn't sound to far-fetched except for the elevation > difference: Canoga Park is at about 850 feet elevation, whereas the area > I am talking about is over 6000 feet. > > Now for the "normal" stuff :-) for the western tiger, sycamore is more > within the realm of reason, and various citrus for the giant > swallowtail. As for the mentality that, so prevalent in today's > society, has man subjugating nature right and left, it was only a matter > of time befoire the giant made it into the Los Angeles area. If you or > anyone else wishes to question my attitude on this, just look around > you: how far is it to the nearest citrus tree? There are many citrus in various gardens and backyards throuhout the S. California area where climate allows. Given that the giant is > a fairly strong flier, don't you think it could make it from one group > of trees, an actual grove or orchard or not, to the next in a season? > The answer is yes and it is nothing short of ludicrous to think that it > can be controlled by spraying the [!@#$%^] out of it to make it stay > away from our trees. Why do that, the predation is so high one is lucky to find a single larva in an orange tree hardly any reason for concern. Another look at the situation: it is a tropical > species; how cold a winter do you think it can survive? Since they are found in Chicago and there are some individuals who find them in Canada and actually in early spring it is evident that P. cresphontes is definitely not only a tropical species. Tony From Stelenes at aol.com Fri Jul 2 23:22:45 1999 From: Stelenes at aol.com (Stelenes at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:22:45 EDT Subject: Parnassius clodius Northern CA Trip Message-ID: Hi- Has anyone seen any of this Parnassian in the California coastal ranges above San Francisco, the further south the better? Could you be kind to provide details where it might be flying tomorrow, or if it has been seen somewhere, even better? Also would anyone like to find some? I would like to go to Mendocino County on one day this weekend and on the other go towards Sierra County and/or Nevada County for Parnassius clodius baldur. Anyone interested? Please let me know if you are interested and email a phone number or other suggestion for quickly making possible arrangements. Best wishes. Doug Dawn. stelenes at aol.com http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/4048 Woodland, CA Monterrey, Mexico From viceroy at anu.ie Sat Jul 3 02:25:48 1999 From: viceroy at anu.ie (Anne Kilmer) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 07:25:48 +0100 Subject: giant swallowtail returns References: <199907022206.AA11132@lafn.org> Message-ID: <377DACEC.336890F2@anu.ie> > > The only lep I have ever heard of eating avocado foliage is a large > tropical saturniid in the genus Rothschildia (I don't recall the > species). Does this mean that there is nothing else that eats avocado? > **HEAVENS NO**! I just haven't heard of it yet. As for swallowtails > eating avocado, smae goes for them: I haven't heard of any, but it > wouldn't surprise me. Maybe Chris Conlan knows what the scoop is. > Chris, are you reading? > > -- > Pierre Plauzoles ae779 at lafn.org > Canoga Park, California OK. According to my list, Papilio palamedes uses (in Florida) red bay, (Persea borbonica) sweet bay, sassafras and avocado (Persea americana). There's a lot of difference between different avocado leaves, speaking as a herbalist of sorts. Some of them are medicinal. They make a pleasant tea, good for colds and fear, as I recall. Some of them are just nasty. I think there are some Mexican recipes involving avocado leaves ... wrapped around bits of chicken or pork or some such. Those are probably the avocadoes your butterfly would fancy. I notice, scurrying on down the list, that the spicebush swallowtail (Papilio troilus) uses spicebush (Lindera benzoin), various bays incl. Persea borbonica, and Sassafras. No mention of avocado but that doesn't prove a thing. The Tiger swallowtail, Papilio glaucus, in Florida, uses sweetbay, magnolia spp., spicebush, and the willow, maple, ash and cherry you're accustomed to. If nature went by logic, which it may or may not, I would see no reason why, given a tasty avocado, it should not lay upon that. I don't think we have nearly enough people in the field finding out which garden plants butterflies lay their eggs on. All of us in a state of denial, that's what we are. :-) Weeds, they eat weeds, we claim. As for the giant swallowtail, I've never see them do much harm to anything except very young citrus trees. But our predators know that the larvae are food. It takes a while for vertebrate predators to recognize and accept a new source of food. Looking like a turd and smelling like dirty socks must have some advantage, or the race would surely have lost these characteristics. Grove owners don't like this butterfly ... I suppose they know. We have so many problems with citrus trees these days, what with new pests coming in daily, diseases and cankers and so forth, that I bet the Ag people would love to have the homeowners abandon growing citrus, and concentrate on planting native plants. Sally, wsa your butterfly nectaring on the leaves, or actually laying eggs? The postures are entirely different, you know. cheers Anne Kilmer Mayo Ireland From peter.kautt at student.uni-tuebingen.de Sat Jul 3 03:50:34 1999 From: peter.kautt at student.uni-tuebingen.de (Peter Kautt) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 09:50:34 +0200 Subject: Moth id help References: <930641671snz@nwjones.demon.co.uk> <930689269snz@nwjones.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <377DC0CA.BC959179@student.uni-tuebingen.de> Hi Neil, the figured burnet moth belongs to the species Zygaena (Agrumenia) separata STAUDINGER, 1887. Most probably it's the nominate subspecies (Z. separata separata) which is flying in the Tienshan mountain range in Kyrgyzstan (according to A. Hofmann & W. G. Tremewan 1996: A systematic catalogue of the Zygaeninae). Hope this helps. Cheers Peter Neil Jones schrieb: > In article <930641671snz at nwjones.demon.co.uk> > Neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk "Neil Jones" writes: > > > > > Can anyone help identify a few moths? > > > > I have placed two digitised video stills on the web at > > http://www.nwjones.demon.co.uk/moths.htm/ > > > > There is a burnet moth and an emerald moth. > > > > They were taken on a recent foreign trip. > > > > TIA From j_calo at ix.netcom.com Sat Jul 3 11:22:43 1999 From: j_calo at ix.netcom.com (j_calo at ix.netcom.com) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 15:22:43 GMT Subject: Texas Butterfly Festival Message-ID: <7ll9ru$893$1@nnrp1.deja.com> I am considering attending the Texas Butterfly Festival this October in Mission, TX. I am wondering if it is worth the trip from Ohio and taking time off work. I would greatly appreciate any feedback from previous years' festivals. Please respond to my email address. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From biomddh at biology.au.dk Sat Jul 3 11:17:47 1999 From: biomddh at biology.au.dk (Morten DD Hansen) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 17:17:47 +0200 Subject: Vanessa atalanta update - Denmark Message-ID: <377E299B.AF5FBF8E@biology.au.dk> Hi Leps-netters The immigration of the Red Admiral (Vanessa atalanta) to Western Scandinavia has not been favored by the relatively poor weather with huge rainfalls. However, in E Sweden, Finland and Estonia the species has been very common in June with lots of immigrants, probably due to the heat wave from SE. So far, there have been two distinct migrations towards Denmark. 20-30 May: A small immigration with a peak 27-29 May. 19 June - 3 July: A small immigration with a peak during the last days. The specimens seem to be very fresh and may be immigrants from C Europe. Any sightings elsewhere in Europe? Kind regards Morten DD Hansen -- Morten DD Hansen, stud. scient. Dept. of Zoology, Institute of Biological Sciences Building 135, University of Aarhus Universitetsparken, DK-8000 Aarhus C Telephone: +45 8942 2695 e-mail: biomddh at biology.au.dk homepage on migrating birds and butterflies: DD's Birds and Butterflies - new edition! http://www.biology.au.dk/~biomddh/ From conlan at adnc.com Sat Jul 3 12:47:47 1999 From: conlan at adnc.com (Chris Conlan) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 09:47:47 -0700 Subject: giant swallowtail returns Message-ID: <199907031651.JAA08141@gemini.adnc.com> Hark......did I hear my name called from the vastness of cyberspace? >Pierre A Plauzoles wrote: >> >> The only lep I have ever heard of eating avocado foliage is a large >> tropical saturniid in the genus Rothschildia (I don't recall the >> species). Does this mean that there is nothing else that eats avocado? >> **HEAVENS NO**! I just haven't heard of it yet. As for swallowtails >> eating avocado, smae goes for them: I haven't heard of any, but it >> wouldn't surprise me. Maybe Chris Conlan knows what the scoop is. >> Chris, are you reading? >> Actually, avocado is a great hostplant for a large number of Leps. My specialty is Saturniids so I can speak mostly for them but the list of species that will eat avocado is too long to put here. Persea (and closely allied genera) is a big genus with lots of species around the world that are used by the local Lep fauna in those areas it occurs. However, it is extremely important to understand that just because a particular Lep can be induced to feed on Persea americana (typical avocado) in captivity in no way means that the adult female would oviposit on it under natural conditions. Tossing a new (non native) Persea species into the mix doesn't mean it's going to get used right away (if it even gets used at all). This process takes time and acceptance will certainly vary among species. Speaking specifically for swallowtails, there are some species in various parts of the world that utilize Persea or other Lauraceae as hostplants. Papilio garamas in Mexico is just one example. In all these notes I seem to have lost the original question but the only USA native Papilionids that I would ever expect to see feeding on avocado are P. palamedes and maybe P. troilus? P. glaucus or rutulus would seem like a bit of a stretch. However, if what Anne says is true about glaucus using some of the plants she mentioned I suppose it's not that big of a stretch. The giant swallowtail (P. cresphontes) has been in S. California off and on for a very long time. We have been lucky to have it as a fairly steady resident for the past several years now. It seems to take a bit of a hit over the winter but by midsummer they are back in full swing again. It's biggest problem around my area in San Diego seems to be ants. I have never had one survive on my plants outside for more than a week before the ants found the larva and made short work of it. Friends around town have noticed the same thing. With all the assorted pest problems that plague citrus there is no shortage of ants farming the critters in those trees! Hope this helped a little. Now I'll go fade back into the background. Adios Chris From bj at bcgroup.net Sat Jul 3 18:00:16 1999 From: bj at bcgroup.net (Brian Joyce) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 15:00:16 -0700 Subject: Viceroys and Swallowtails Message-ID: <377E87EF.22E96B65@bcgroup.net> or Papillio Canadensis in pupal form for early august? Thanks, Tessa From dchaffee at gvi.net Sun Jul 4 02:57:22 1999 From: dchaffee at gvi.net (Dan Chaffee) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 06:57:22 GMT Subject: giant swallowtail returns References: <7liclv$2b5o$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com>, <377D34AD.A12EA2C@ucla.edu>, <377D55AD.98796071@fullerton.edu> Message-ID: <377f042e.1342589@news.gvi.net> >Since they are found in Chicago and there are some individuals who find >them in Canada and actually in early spring it is evident that P. >cresphontes is definitely not only a tropical species. Not only that, I have seen no evidence correlating their numbers during summers following severe winters to those following mild ones here in western Missouri. I't's usually as common as P. turnus around my yard and seems to thrive just fine in the absence of citrus trees. D Chaffee From kmoon at ucla.edu Sun Jul 4 02:54:54 1999 From: kmoon at ucla.edu (Kathleen Moon) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:54:54 -0700 Subject: giant swallowtail returns References: <7liclv$2b5o$1@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com>, <377D34AD.A12EA2C@ucla.edu>, <377D55AD.98796071@fullerton.edu> Message-ID: <377F053E.39E6CD35@ucla.edu> > > Kathleen Moon wrote: > > > > Sunsol Daniels wrote: > > > > > > J Shields wrote: > > > > > > > >I had observed several giant swallowtails last year, in September and > > > >October, in my yard in mar vista CA; today, July 1, I have been > > > watching > > > >one in my backyard for the past hour. It looks as though they're > > > taking > > > >up residency in my neighborhood. It seems to like landing on my tomato > > > >plants - not interested in my natives in the front yard. Anyway, I > > > will > > > >be watching to see if it lays any eggs on my neighbor's orange tree. > > > >Just thought I would share this > > > >Anyone interested can contact me > > > > > > What was it doing on the tomato plant? Sunning? I saw a swallowtail > > > (Western Tiger?) visiting avocado leaves yesterday. It looked like it > > > was laying eggs. I haven't tried to get up there to look. Has anybody > > > found larvae on avocado? I've never read of such a thing. Is it possible? > > > > When it comes to the western tiger using avocado as a larval host, I > > have no idea, but I saw something that looked like a large western tiger > > swallowtail (maybe a stray two-tailed swallowtail?) lay eggs on our > > peach tree three years ago. Given that the latter uses western > > chokecherry - both peach and chokecherry are in the genus Prunus - in > > the area near Gorman (about halfway between Los Angeles and Bakersfield, > > for those of you who are not familiar with southern California > > geography), that didn't sound to far-fetched except for the elevation > > difference: Canoga Park is at about 850 feet elevation, whereas the area > > I am talking about is over 6000 feet. > > > > Now for the "normal" stuff :-) for the western tiger, sycamore is more > > within the realm of reason, and various citrus for the giant > > swallowtail. As for the mentality that, so prevalent in today's > > society, has man subjugating nature right and left, it was only a matter > > of time before the giant made it into the Los Angeles area. If you or > > anyone else wishes to question my attitude on this, just look around > > you: how far is it to the nearest citrus tree? > > There are many citrus in various gardens and backyards throuhout the S. > California area where climate allows. > > > Given that the giant is > > a fairly strong flier, don't you think it could make it from one group > > of trees, an actual grove or orchard or not, to the next in a season? > > The answer is yes and it is nothing short of ludicrous to think that it > > can be controlled by spraying the [!@#$%^] out of it to make it stay > > away from our trees. > > Why do that, the predation is so high one is lucky to find a single > larva in an orange tree hardly any reason for concern. > > > Another look at the situation: it is a tropical > > species; how cold a winter do you think it can survive? > > Since they are found in Chicago and there are some individuals who find > them in Canada and actually in early spring it is evident that P. > cresphontes is definitely not only a tropical species. You raise some good points. Now how do we get the ag types with their insecticide canisters to put them back on the shelf and start appreciating Nature for what it really is, namely a gift from God? I know, "education" is the key, but if a fellow doesn't want the class, we can't make him take it. One of the guys who work at the Orcutt Ranch (a unit of the Los Angelkes city Parks and Recreation Department in the northwest corner of Canoga Park) told me last year that he wanted to get a picture of the giant swallowtail so he could be sure to kill every last one because he "knew all the community gardens types who do any gardening there would be in a panic iof they didn't spray for it." Of course this attitude is so ignorant it is obscene, but that has no more to do with my point of view than with the eating habits of a horned lizard (which eats ants). Pierre A Plauzoles ae779 at lafn.org (temporarily using my wife's Internet access) From kmoon at ucla.edu Sun Jul 4 03:12:22 1999 From: kmoon at ucla.edu (Kathleen Moon) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 00:12:22 -0700 Subject: giant swallowtail returns References: <199907022206.AA11132@lafn.org>, <377DACEC.336890F2@anu.ie> Message-ID: <377F0956.4A87F149@ucla.edu> > > Pierre A Plauzoles wrote: > > > > The only lep I have ever heard of eating avocado foliage is a large > > tropical saturniid in the genus Rothschildia (I don't recall the > > species). Does this mean that there is nothing else that eats avocado? > > **HEAVENS NO**! I just haven't heard of it yet. As for swallowtails > > eating avocado, smae goes for them: I haven't heard of any, but it > > wouldn't surprise me. Maybe Chris Conlan knows what the scoop is. > > Chris, are you reading? > > > > -- > > Pierre Plauzoles ae779 at lafn.org > > Canoga Park, California > > OK. According to my list, Papilio palamedes uses (in Florida) red bay, > (Persea borbonica) sweet bay, sassafras and avocado (Persea americana). > There's a lot of difference between different avocado leaves, speaking > as a herbalist of sorts. Some of them are medicinal. They make a > pleasant tea, good for colds and fear, as I recall. Some of them are > just nasty. > I think there are some Mexican recipes involving avocado leaves ... > wrapped around bits of chicken or pork or some such. Those are probably > the avocadoes your butterfly would fancy. > I notice, scurrying on down the list, that the spicebush swallowtail > (Papilio troilus) uses spicebush (Lindera benzoin), various bays incl. > Persea borbonica, and Sassafras. No mention of avocado but that doesn't > prove a thing. > The Tiger swallowtail, Papilio glaucus, in Florida, uses sweetbay, > magnolia spp., spicebush, and the willow, maple, ash and cherry you're > accustomed to. > If nature went by logic, which it may or may not, I would see no reason > why, given a tasty avocado, it should not lay upon that. > I don't think we have nearly enough people in the field finding out > which garden plants butterflies lay their eggs on. All of us in a state > of denial, that's what we are. :-) Weeds, they eat weeds, we claim. > > As for the giant swallowtail, I've never see them do much harm to > anything except very young citrus trees. But our predators know that the > larvae are food. It takes a while for vertebrate predators to recognize > and accept a new source of food. Looking like a turd and smelling like > dirty socks must have some advantage, or the race would surely have lost > these characteristics. > Grove owners don't like this butterfly ... I suppose they know. > We have so many problems with citrus trees these days, what with new > pests coming in daily, diseases and cankers and so forth, that I bet the > Ag people would love to have the homeowners abandon growing citrus, and > concentrate on planting native plants. Of course they know it eats citrus foliage, but do they appreciate the relationship between predator and prey - or anything about food chains, for that matter?? Are you kidding me? The attitude in answer I got is a resounding "NO!! We would rather make sure every last one is dead. We don't want to lose a mill of our precious fruit, let alone a buck or two. If killing all of them takes some non-target species along with it, so what?" Stupid? No, "stupid" is not the word. As a matter of fact, there is no word strong enough in the English language (nor any other) to fit what I think of this attitude. Do I sound angry? I think I have a right to be. Pierre A Plauzoles ae779 at lafn.org (temporarily using my wife's Internet access) From tddunbar at portables1.ngfl.gov.uk Sun Jul 4 06:22:55 1999 From: tddunbar at portables1.ngfl.gov.uk (T Dunbar) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:22:55 +0100 Subject: Black Hairstreak UK Message-ID: <7lnenk$fhv$1@phys-ma.sol.co.uk> The black hairstreak is having a very poor flight season this year in the UK. Having done 10 visits to regular haunts of the species I have only seen one specimen to date. Any other sightings out there? Keep your peelers peeled! Tom Dunbar From MYTZ14A at prodigy.com Sun Jul 4 10:05:33 1999 From: MYTZ14A at prodigy.com (Sunsol Daniels) Date: 4 Jul 1999 14:05:33 GMT Subject: Do swallowtails lay on avocado? References: <199907022206.aa11132@lafn.org>, <377dacec.336890f2@anu.ie>, <377f0956.4a87f149@ucla.edu> Message-ID: <7lnpnd$utg$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Anne, I lost your post. Anyway, I had no idea that butterflies might nectar on honeydew, so I wasn't really looking. I was on the ground, and the butterfly was twenty feet up on an avocado tree twenty feet away. I don't really think that I could have seen it bending its abdomen under without binoculars. It looked like ovipositing behavior to me. But I hardly ever see butterflies nectar, so what would I know? In my experience, butterflies generally lay on the wing. Anise swallowtails do, anyway. And they sit to nectar. This swallowtail was fluttering from leaf to leaf. I better go find a way to check those leaves at the top of that tree! And about the lace bugs. I haven't seen a lace bug since I was in southern Calfifornia in 1980. But of course, I haven't looked for one either. Maybe that tree has something on it exuding honeydew. I'll have to look for that, too. Sally From sandydavid at newscientist.net Sun Jul 4 11:07:11 1999 From: sandydavid at newscientist.net (sandydavid) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:07:11 +0100 Subject: Help-Unidenified moth ova Message-ID: <377f7a4b@news2.vip.uk.com> Whilst examining the contents of my moth trap this morning I discovered a patch, roghly oval in shape ( 10mm x 6mm ) of approx.70-100 moth ova very light brown in colour with one lght yellow egg near the centre. The eggs are ribbed ( they look like an umbrella from the top and are the shape of a slightly squashed sphere. Does anyone have any idea what they are? ( there were no moths near the eggs on the egg carton but two dot moths (Melanchra persicariae ) on the other side.would a list of all the moths caught help? What should I do with them? I would ether like to put them somwhere or look after them to give them the best chance of survival. TIA Sandy David Oakley, Bedfordshire, U.K. From venters at iinteralpha.co.uk Sun Jul 4 11:42:44 1999 From: venters at iinteralpha.co.uk (Nigel Venters) Date: 4 Jul 99 15:42:44 GMT Subject: Black Hairstreak UK References: <7lnenk$fhv$1@phys-ma.sol.co.uk> Message-ID: <01bec60f$3c357ce0$09e11ac3@e5q5n1> T Dunbar wrote >... > The black hairstreak is having a very poor flight season this year in the > UK. Having done 10 visits to regular haunts of the species I have only seen > one specimen to date. > > Any other sightings out there? They were out early this year in the South, my first captive bred ones were on the wing in late May and the first from my release into the woods behind my house were on the wing first week of June. Nigel From venters at iinteralpha.co.uk Sun Jul 4 11:32:20 1999 From: venters at iinteralpha.co.uk (Nigel Venters) Date: 4 Jul 99 15:32:20 GMT Subject: giant swallowtail returns References: <199907031651.JAA08141@gemini.adnc.com> Message-ID: <01bec60d$befa45e0$09e11ac3@e5q5n1> >However, it is extremely important to understand that just because a particular Lep can be > induced to feed on Persea americana (typical avocado) in captivity in no way > means that the adult female would oviposit on it under natural conditions. > Tossing a new (non native) Persea species into the mix doesn't mean it's > going to get used right away (if it even gets used at all). This process > takes time and acceptance will certainly vary among species. I would certainly agree with Chris here but I think it is worth mentioning that the best botanists in the world are butterflies and moths! They have too much to lose if they get it wrong. Of course some more tolerant larva will take foodplants that the adults won't lay on, but also remember butterflies are also opportunists! One fine example is Charaxes baumanni from Central Africa. This butterfly's larva feeds on Acacia pennata, Pterilobium lacerans and Pterilobium stellatuen, however with the introduction of Caesalpinia decapetala as a hedge plant from Asia into urban areas of Africa, this has completly changed it's status! Never common before it has now accepted Caesalpinia in preference to all other foodplants and has been increasing in numbers and in some areas where it is now considered very common! Nigel From ceri.jones at net.ntl.com Sun Jul 4 14:31:15 1999 From: ceri.jones at net.ntl.com (Ceri Jones) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 19:31:15 +0100 Subject: Fw: Black Hairstreak UK Message-ID: <004801bec64b$672e7fa0$5812a8c2@default> Nigel I did try this direct a few times but it comes back so I hope you see it on leps-l ----- Original Message ----- From: Nigel Venters To: Sent: 04 July 1999 16:42 Subject: Re: Black Hairstreak UK > > > T Dunbar wrote >... > > The black hairstreak is having a very poor flight season this year in the > > UK. Having done 10 visits to regular haunts of the species I have only > seen > > one specimen to date. > > > > Any other sightings out there? > > They were out early this year in the South, my first captive bred ones were > on the wing in late May and the first from my release into the woods behind > my house were on the wing first week of June. > Nigel > > From viceroy at anu.ie Sun Jul 4 15:02:26 1999 From: viceroy at anu.ie (Anne Kilmer) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 20:02:26 +0100 Subject: giant swallowtail returns References: <199907031651.JAA08141@gemini.adnc.com> <01bec60d$befa45e0$09e11ac3@e5q5n1> Message-ID: <377FAFC2.721958B5@anu.ie> > > Chris Conlan wrote: > > >However, it is extremely important to understand that just because a > particular Lep can be > > induced to feed on Persea americana (typical avocado) in captivity in no > way > > means that the adult female would oviposit on it under natural > conditions. Would larvae reared on it go looking for it when they got around to laying eggs? I wondered about this when a lepper I know attempted to raise Atala butterflies (Eumaeus atala) on cardboard palm, a cycad which is plentiful in South Florida gardens. Their host plant, coontie, is uncommon in the wild and expensive to buy. He said that the adult males raised on cardboard palm were unable to seduce the females. I think what I'm asking is whether the butterfly seeks out the accustomed plant or a suitable plant. > > Tossing a new (non native) Persea species into the mix doesn't mean it's > > going to get used right away (if it even gets used at all). This process > > takes time and acceptance will certainly vary among species. > > I would certainly agree with Chris here but I think it is worth mentioning > that the best botanists in the world are butterflies and moths! They have > too much to lose if they get it wrong. The Giant Swallowtail oviposits on garden rue, which you and I would not have guessed was related to the citrus. I hope botanists ask the butterflies before they make decisions about assigning plants to families. Of course some more tolerant larva > will take foodplants that the adults won't lay on, but also remember > butterflies are also opportunists! One fine example is Charaxes baumanni > from Central Africa. This butterfly's larva feeds on Acacia pennata, > Pterilobium lacerans and Pterilobium stellatuen, however with the > introduction of Caesalpinia decapetala as a hedge plant from Asia into > urban areas of Africa, this has completly changed it's status! Never common > before it has now accepted Caesalpinia in preference to all other > foodplants and has been increasing in numbers and in some areas where it is > now considered very common! > Nigel We are probably changing the urban and suburban populations of butterflies tremendously by manipulating the plants we make accessible. That's why I hope we're remembering to plant for the plain brown bugs as well as the monarchs. Teach the kids to find Cassius blue larvae (Leptotes cassia) in plumbago flowers and it makes up, I hope, for the fact that it's a non-native plumbago. As for the avocado, mine seems to be very interesting to Cassius blue butterflies and to the giant swallowtails. I suppose they're nectaring on honeydew, but that's purely surmise. Maybe they just think they look pretty against that shade of green. Cheers Anne Kilmer Mayo ireland Where I have just had a major rainbow to celebrate the Fourth of July. From bj at bcgroup.net Sun Jul 4 16:34:08 1999 From: bj at bcgroup.net (Brian Joyce) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 13:34:08 -0700 Subject: Viceroys and Swallowtails Message-ID: <377FC540.3F22FB8C@bcgroup.net> Ooops sorry, I meant P. Glaucus instead of P. Canadensis. Tessa Brian Joyce wrote: > Will anyone have Viceroy, Papilio zelicaon (Anise), Papillio Machaon, > or Papillio Canadensis in pupal form for early august? > Thanks, > Tessa From hankb at theriver.com Sun Jul 4 19:19:20 1999 From: hankb at theriver.com (Hank & Priscilla Brodkin) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 16:19:20 -0700 Subject: SEBA Butterfly Field Trip in Bisbee, Arizona Message-ID: <377FEBF8.795391B3@theriver.com> Association, the local chapter of the North American Butterfly Association, will hold their monthly butterfly field trip in the Mule Mountains near Bisbee and in the Huachuca Mountains in Miller Canyon at Beatty?s Orchard. The emphasis on the SEABA walks is to identify and study butterflies using binoculars rather than a net. Beginners, children, and photographers are welcome. With the proper equipment butterflies make beautiful and interesting subjects. The leader for this trip will be Sheri Williamson, co-director of the Bisbee based Southeast Arizona Bird Observatory and long time butterfly enthusiast. Some of the trails in this region are over rough terrain. Participants should be dressed for the field and should bring lunch and plenty of water. A donation of $5.00 per person to SEABA, a non-profit organisation, would be appreciated. The meeting place will be at the south end of Vista Park in the Warren district of Bisbee at 7:00AM. Take Schoolhouse Terrace, south of Bisbee on HWY 80, east into Warren. The long mall-like park on Vista is Vista Park. For further information on this and other SEABA activities call Hank or Priscilla Brodkin at (520) 803-9700 or e-mail to hankb at theriver.com. -- Hank & Priscilla Brodkin Carr Canyon, Cochise County, AZ SouthEast Arizona Butterfly Association Send Mailto:hankb at theriver.com From RL7836 at worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 4 20:07:27 1999 From: RL7836 at worldnet.att.net (Ron Lane) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:07:27 GMT Subject: Dragonfly ID Book Message-ID: <377ff66b.3180811@netnews.worldnet.att.net> Can someone recommend a good field guide or 2 for the identification of these insects. While we were out lepping, we went by a marsh which we like to investigate periodically for Baltimores and others and were astounded by the diversity of dragonflys. I know I've read that other leppers have also started to ID and track dragonflys and thought I might get some help here. Ron From kalos2 at juno.com Sun Jul 4 21:20:10 1999 From: kalos2 at juno.com (Daniel L Robinson) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:20:10 -0700 Subject: Milkweed Message-ID: <19990704.182040.3582.12.kalos2@juno.com> Our family is planning a milkweed search of the Puget Sound area of the Pacific Northwest, USA, in the near future. Any suggestions or reports of recent observations would be greatly appreciated. Martha W. Robinson Kent, Washington Lepless in Seattle From SFleischak at aol.com Sun Jul 4 21:54:40 1999 From: SFleischak at aol.com (SFleischak at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:54:40 EDT Subject: Dragonfly ID Book Message-ID: I have two books that I like. Dragonflies of the Florida Peninsula, Bermuda and the Bahamas by Sidney W. Dunkle Scientific Publishers P.O. Box 15718 Gainesville Florida 33604 ISBN 0-945417-23-3 $14.95 Damselflies of Florida, Bermuda and the Bahamas by Sidney W. Dunkle Same pub. ISBN 0-945417-86-1 $19.95 Steve Fleischaker Central Florida From Citheronia at aol.com Sun Jul 4 22:07:59 1999 From: Citheronia at aol.com (Citheronia at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:07:59 EDT Subject: Hand Pairing Message-ID: <8f471f5d.24b16d7f@aol.com> Hi Everyone! Does anyone know of a website with instructions for the hand pairing of Lepidoptera? I've only been able to hand-pair some swallowtails and a saturniid. If there isn't a website that any of you know of, any help or suggestions you can give me would be very appreciated. Thanks, Randy Lyttle From trey at netmagic.net Sun Jul 4 23:46:15 1999 From: trey at netmagic.net (Trey Moore) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 20:46:15 -0700 Subject: Infertile ova Message-ID: <931146385.881.71@news.remarQ.com> freshly emerged female H. euryalus in a trap in the evening. The next morning she was paired with a male. They broke apart that evening , and the male was released. I placed the female in a paper sack where she deposited 135 eggs over the next three days. after two weeks they have started to collapse, and the ones I have opened had fluid in them but no developing larvae. At about the same time I had a pairing of A. atlas, which stayed paired for twenty four hours, the eggs are in the same condition as the above. What could the problem be? From viceroy at anu.ie Mon Jul 5 02:35:33 1999 From: viceroy at anu.ie (Anne Kilmer) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 07:35:33 +0100 Subject: Dragonfly ID Book References: Message-ID: <37805235.B98AD81C@anu.ie> Good. Those are the ones I know of, too. You will find that you have about half the kinds of dragonflies you thought you had ... the males come in two colors ... or are they just different from the females ... something complicated like that. Anyway, fewer names to learn. So good news, really. Cheers Anne Kilmer Mayo Ireland Where the bushes are suddenly full of coal tits, which are a kind of butterfly. Practically. SFleischak at aol.com wrote: > > I have two books that I like. > Dragonflies of the Florida Peninsula, Bermuda and the Bahamas > by Sidney W. Dunkle > Scientific Publishers > P.O. Box 15718 > Gainesville Florida 33604 > ISBN 0-945417-23-3 > $14.95 > Damselflies of Florida, Bermuda and the Bahamas > by Sidney W. Dunkle > Same pub. > ISBN 0-945417-86-1 > $19.95 > > Steve Fleischaker > Central Florida From M.Honey at nhm.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 08:19:46 1999 From: M.Honey at nhm.ac.uk (Martin Honey) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:19:46 +0000 Subject: Old Ladies in UK outhouse Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990705121946.00841ac0@mailserver.nhm.ac.uk> Just to report an observation made over the weekend that might be of interest, especially in view of the apparent scarcity of this species in parts of Europe. On Sunday, in south west London, the start of our annual invasion of Old Ladies, Mormo maura (Linnaeus, 1758) (Lepidoptera: Noctuidae), took place. I was in what is essentially an open fronted shed on a plot of land next to a railway line when several of these large brown moths flew in and settled on the roof joists. By mid afternoon, there were at least 37 present. They rest in groups arranged like tiles on a roof. The largest group was of 10 individuals but I saw one group of 16 last year. They should stay there for a few weeks at least but I'll try to keep an eye on them and make a note of when they actually disappear. Martin *********************************************************** Martin R. Honey CBiol MIBiol, Lead Curator (Moths) Collections Management Division, Department of Entomology The Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road London, SW7 5BD, Great Britain EMAIL: M.Honey at nhm.ac.uk All Museum telephone numbers changed on 5 July 1999, my new numbers will be: TELEPHONE: 020 7942 5604 International: 44 20 7942 5604 FAX: 020 7942 5229 International: 44 20 7942 5229 Until 22 April 2000, if dialling from within Central London, only dial the last seven digits *********************************************************** From llrogers at airmail.net Mon Jul 5 10:29:16 1999 From: llrogers at airmail.net (Linda Rogers) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 09:29:16 -0500 Subject: Commercial Butterfly Breeders Manual Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990705092916.007967e0@mail.airmail.net> Nigel Venters new Commercial Butterfly Breeders Manual will be ready for purchase and shipment the last week of July. Cost of this wonderful manual is $125 plus shipping (from Texas to your address). A partial list of topics is included in the ad document (attached) as it will appear in the upcoming new Butterfly Farmers Magazine. Please E-Mail me privately to reserve your copy. Include your name, address, telephone number. I will E-Mail you when your volume is ready. Thank you. Linda Rogers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FarmersAd6.doc Type: application/msword Size: 162452 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/private/leps-l/attachments/19990705/cd0607a8/attachment.doc -------------- next part -------------- From paulevi at webaccess.net Mon Jul 5 13:30:52 1999 From: paulevi at webaccess.net (Paul A. Opler) Date: 5 Jul 1999 11:30:52 -0600 Subject: Scientific Names Committee Message-ID: <057fe5130170579TABOR2@webaccess.net> > >In the article on the Scientific Names Committee for North American butterflies that appeared in the last issue of the News people were asked to send information butterfly names to me at my P.O. Box in Loveland, Colo. Unfortunately, it was the wrong number. It should be P.O. Box 2662 [not 2663]. Actually we also nopw have a larger box P.O. Box 2227, which many also be used. > >Paul Opler > From zkhan at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jul 5 14:40:19 1999 From: zkhan at andrew.cmu.edu (Zia Khan) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: SUBSCRIBE LEPS-L zkhan at andrew.cmu.edu -- ,_,___, , Zia Khan _0/\|\_/'--' More bugs more glory!!! .-' ` `-.___, From Guy_VdP at t-online.de Mon Jul 5 17:06:43 1999 From: Guy_VdP at t-online.de (Guy Van de Poel) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 23:06:43 +0200 Subject: Vanessa atalanta update - Denmark Message-ID: <014201bec72a$49fe29a0$ac049d3e@server> Hi, For the first time in a couple of weeks (the sun has been only shining when I had to work), I was out yesterday. One thing I noticed was that despite good numbers of the seasonal butterflies (Maniola jurtina, Melanargia galathea, Aphantopus hyperantus, the normal pierids), there were almost no Nymphalinae out. There was a single Vanessa atalanta, but that was all, and though I've been looking for caterpillars of Aglais urticae and Inachis io, I couldn't find any. I'm in the Heidelberg - Germany area, is this true for the rest of W. Europe too ? Guy. Guy Van de Poel Guy_VdP at t-online.de Royal Entomological Society of Antwerp http://www.freeyellow.com/members/fransjanssens/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Morten DD Hansen To: leps-l at lists.yale.edu Date: zaterdag 3 juli 1999 17:43 Subject: Vanessa atalanta update - Denmark >Hi Leps-netters > >The immigration of the Red Admiral (Vanessa atalanta) to Western >Scandinavia has not been favored by the relatively poor weather with >huge rainfalls. However, in E Sweden, Finland and Estonia the species >has been very common in June with lots of immigrants, probably due to >the heat wave from SE. > >So far, there have been two distinct migrations towards Denmark. > >20-30 May: A small immigration with a peak 27-29 May. >19 June - 3 July: A small immigration with a peak during the last days. >The specimens seem to be very fresh and may be immigrants from C >Europe. > >Any sightings elsewhere in Europe? > >Kind regards >Morten DD Hansen > >-- >Morten DD Hansen, stud. scient. >Dept. of Zoology, Institute of Biological Sciences >Building 135, University of Aarhus >Universitetsparken, DK-8000 Aarhus C >Telephone: +45 8942 2695 >e-mail: biomddh at biology.au.dk > >homepage on migrating birds and butterflies: >DD's Birds and Butterflies - new edition! >http://www.biology.au.dk/~biomddh/ > From r.d.j.butcher at dundee.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 18:34:36 1999 From: r.d.j.butcher at dundee.ac.uk (Robert Butcher) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 22:34:36 GMT Subject: Vanessa atalanta update In-Reply-To: <014201bec72a$49fe29a0$ac049d3e@server> Message-ID: Well, all i can add is that around the grampian- tayside-fife region of the east coast of Scotland all the nettle patches i have checked so far are empty, or contain the nettle moth (Anthophila fabriciana) or an assortment of microleps. No peacock (Inachis io), small tortishell (Aglais urticae) or red admiral (Vanessa atlanta) larvae seen yet. This i would suggest is unusual, but id rather sample a larger area first before making such a statement in support of what you see in Denmark. I suspect there are these species in the borders (England-Scotland, east coast) from descriptions from a colleague here who works in this area, and should be able to confirm either way shortly. Rob P.S. By the way, if Anne Kilmer is reading this:- i was in Cork last month. Although principally for a wedding and a week of cycling, i spent two days walking around the sheeps head peninsula and inland hills in W. Cork (cos i broke my bike frame..too much of the black stuff i guess). The weather wasnt wonderful (but hey, for W. Cork, i guess like Scotland, it was fine!) but there seemed a poor Lepidoptera imagoe representation (cant comment on larvae, as i wasnt really looking), with a few whites, no skippers, blues,cinnabar moth etc (all the usual suspects that is were absent) and only three small tortishells (same location). However, i was mainly concerned with Bombus and Psithyrus species (bumble bees and cuckoo bumble bees), so cannot objectively comment, although i managed to confirm three Marsh fritillaries (and brought back two parasitised larvae (the Cotesia bignelli were well cocooned up outside the remnants and indeed have since eclosed). Robert Butcher, Evolutionary and Ecological Entomology Unit, Department of Biological Sciences, Dundee University, Dundee, DD1 4HN, Tayside, Scotland, UK. Work Phone:- 01382-344291 (Office), 01382-344756 (Lab). Fax:- 01382-344864 e-mail:- r.d.j.butcher at dundee.ac.uk From cguppy at quesnelbc.com Mon Jul 5 01:03:51 1999 From: cguppy at quesnelbc.com (Cris Guppy & Aud Fischer) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:03:51 -0700 Subject: Help-Unidenified moth ova Message-ID: <005501bec747$fec54860$8cdcc2cf@cguppy> Egg laying by moths in traps is very common. I doubt that anyone could ID them to species, although someone more knowledgeable than I could certainly ID them to family and possibly genus (if anyone like that is reading leps-l). The strategy I have used in the past is to place the eggs in a container with samples of every type of plant in the area that I can find. Most of the time when they hatch the larvae will find something they like, even though it may not be what they normally eat. (At this time of year the eggs are likely, but not certainly, to hatch within 2 weeks, later in the year the eggs may not hatch until next spring). Good luck! -----Original Message----- From: sandydavid To: leps-l at lists.yale.edu Date: July 4, 1999 8:44 AM Subject: Help-Unidenified moth ova >Whilst examining the contents of my moth trap this morning I discovered a >patch, roghly oval in shape ( 10mm x 6mm ) of approx.70-100 moth ova very >light brown in colour with one lght yellow egg near the centre. The eggs are >ribbed ( they look like an umbrella from the top and are the shape of a >slightly squashed sphere. > Does anyone have any idea what they are? ( there were no moths near the >eggs on the egg carton but two dot moths (Melanchra persicariae ) on the >other side.would a list of all the moths caught help? > What should I do with them? I would ether like to put them somwhere or >look after them to give them the best chance of survival. > >TIA > > >Sandy David >Oakley, Bedfordshire, U.K. > > From simonc at captain.ndirect.co.uk Tue Jul 6 02:40:48 1999 From: simonc at captain.ndirect.co.uk (Simon Coombes) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:40:48 +0100 Subject: Re.Nymphalinae Message-ID: <001c01bec77a$7d7045c0$0ee107c3@newpc> Hi I've seen, in Devon UK, over the last weekend a few Red Admiral, Vanessa = atalanta. I found a few weeks back a couple of webs of larva, one of = Small tortoiseshell Aglais urticae and one of Peacock Inachis io. Both = sets had pupated by this weekend and will probably be on the wing in the = next two weeks, assuming good weather. I too have suffered from the good = weather only on work days syndrome. Very frustrating! 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URL: http://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/private/leps-l/attachments/19990706/2f7e7061/attachment.html From dchaffee at gvi.net Tue Jul 6 02:27:50 1999 From: dchaffee at gvi.net (Dan Chaffee) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 06:27:50 GMT Subject: Cynthia's range Message-ID: <3781a093.5033713@news.gvi.net> Can anyone describe with reasonable confidence, what the current western range of samia cynthia is? thanks, Dan Chaffee Kansas City From M.Honey at nhm.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 04:55:17 1999 From: M.Honey at nhm.ac.uk (Martin Honey) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 08:55:17 +0000 Subject: Vanessa atalanta update - UK Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990706085517.0083b5a0@mailserver.nhm.ac.uk> Hi Guy (and others) >For the first time in a couple of weeks (the sun has been only shining when >I had to work), I was out yesterday. One thing I noticed was that despite >good numbers of the seasonal butterflies (Maniola jurtina, Melanargia >galathea, Aphantopus hyperantus, the normal pierids), there were almost no >Nymphalinae out. There was a single Vanessa atalanta, but that was all, and >though I've been looking for caterpillars of Aglais urticae and Inachis io, >I couldn't find any. >I'm in the Heidelberg - Germany area, is this true for the rest of W. Europe >too ? Over the weekend here in London I saw several V. atalanta, including one ovipositing. I too have seen few nymphalids recently, a few peacock (I. io) but virtually no small tortoiseshell (A. urticae). On all the patches of nettle (Urtica dioica) that I know about I've not seen a single urticae larva and only one batch of io larvae (actually quite a large number of larvae and all nearly full grown). The most frequently seen species of nymphalid was the comma (P. c-album). Martin *********************************************************** Martin R. Honey CBiol MIBiol, Lead Curator (Moths) Collections Management Division, Department of Entomology The Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road London, SW7 5BD, Great Britain EMAIL: M.Honey at nhm.ac.uk All Museum telephone numbers changed on 5 July 1999, my new numbers will be: TELEPHONE: 020 7942 5604 International: 44 20 7942 5604 FAX: 020 7942 5229 International: 44 20 7942 5229 Until 22 April 2000, if dialling from within Central London, only dial the last seven digits *********************************************************** From Vandewoestijne at ecol.ucl.ac.be Tue Jul 6 04:41:07 1999 From: Vandewoestijne at ecol.ucl.ac.be (Sofie Vandewoestijne) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:41:07 +0200 Subject: Vanessa atalanta update - UK In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990706085517.0083b5a0@mailserver.nhm.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990706104107.007b1800@mail.ecol.ucl.ac.be> Hi Guy etc. I have also been looking for Aglais urticae larvae in every nettle patch in sight but haven't seen any so far. Have only seen 2 imagos (rather old) so far. Sofie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Sofie Vandewoestijne Unit? d'Ecologie et de Biog?ographie Universit? catholique de Louvain Place Croix du Sud, 4-5 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel: 00 32 (0)10/473447 Fax: 00 32 (0)10/473490 From gochfeld at eohsi.rutgers.edu Tue Jul 6 06:09:50 1999 From: gochfeld at eohsi.rutgers.edu (Michael Gochfeld) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 06:09:50 -0400 Subject: Dragonfly Websites In-Reply-To: RL7836@worldnet.att.net (Ron Lane) "Dragonfly ID Book" (Jul 5, 12:07am) References: <377ff66b.3180811@netnews.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <990706060957.ZM3590@Gochfeld> There are several web sites that feature dragonflies and don't forget damselflies(do a search on dragonflies, Odonata, or "pondhawk". Steve Walters of New York has many wonderful dragonfly id photos (an online field guide) at his web site. You can email him at "pondhawk at aol.com" or find the web site by search under "pondhawk". This emphasis is on the mid-Atlantic States Dick Walters has a very nice video on dragonfly Id which emphasizes New England. M. Gochfeld From zagatti at versailles.inra.fr Tue Jul 6 07:17:44 1999 From: zagatti at versailles.inra.fr (Pierre Zagatti) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:17:44 +0200 Subject: Vanessa atalanta update - UK References: <3.0.5.32.19990706085517.0083b5a0@mailserver.nhm.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3781E5D8.A2313516@versailles.inra.fr> I've seen 2 very fresh Aglais urticae this morning. Now the commas are rather worn. It's 40 km south of Paris. -- Pierre ZAGATTI INRA Unite de Phytopharmacie et Mediateurs Chimiques 78026 Versailles Cedex FRANCE Tel: (33) 1 30 83 31 18 e-mail zagatti at versailles.inra.fr http://www.jouy.inra.fr/papillon/ From viceroy at anu.ie Tue Jul 6 08:33:41 1999 From: viceroy at anu.ie (Anne Kilmer) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:33:41 +0100 Subject: Vanessa atalanta update - UK References: <3.0.5.32.19990706085517.0083b5a0@mailserver.nhm.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3781F7A5.9BBF3AE5@anu.ie> I am just cutting back the hairy old nettles (well, the man with the scythe is, actually. I am pointing. I see no evidence of anybody nibbling. And I've looked. haven't seen peacocks since the end of May. It'll be a couple of weeks before the new nettle shoots are ready for the gang. But I'm sure we've left plenty of the old stuff. Two Miscellaneous Brown butterflies wandering in my wildflower patch. They refused to stand and be recognized. The Pieris brassicae has had its share of the cabbages and is flying. Come to think of it, I should go poke around and off the eggs from most of them, if I hope to eat those cabbages. It was sunny yesterday and again today, sort of. Cheers Anne Kilmer Martin Honey wrote: > > Hi Guy (and others) > > >For the first time in a couple of weeks (the sun has been only shining when > >I had to work), I was out yesterday. One thing I noticed was that despite > >good numbers of the seasonal butterflies (Maniola jurtina, Melanargia > >galathea, Aphantopus hyperantus, the normal pierids), there were almost no > >Nymphalinae out. There was a single Vanessa atalanta, but that was all, and > >though I've been looking for caterpillars of Aglais urticae and Inachis io, > >I couldn't find any. > >I'm in the Heidelberg - Germany area, is this true for the rest of W. Europe > >too ? > > Over the weekend here in London I saw several V. atalanta, including one > ovipositing. I too have seen few nymphalids recently, a few peacock (I. io) > but virtually no small tortoiseshell (A. urticae). On all the patches of > nettle (Urtica dioica) that I know about I've not seen a single urticae > larva and only one batch of io larvae (actually quite a large number of > larvae and all nearly full grown). The most frequently seen species of > nymphalid was the comma (P. c-album). > > Martin > *********************************************************** > Martin R. Honey CBiol MIBiol, Lead Curator (Moths) > Collections Management Division, Department of Entomology > The Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road > London, SW7 5BD, Great Britain > EMAIL: M.Honey at nhm.ac.uk > > All Museum telephone numbers changed on 5 July 1999, my new > numbers will be: > TELEPHONE: 020 7942 5604 International: 44 20 7942 5604 > FAX: 020 7942 5229 International: 44 20 7942 5229 > > Until 22 April 2000, if dialling from within Central London, > only dial the last seven digits > *********************************************************** From andrewd at redac.co.uk Tue Jul 6 08:51:43 1999 From: andrewd at redac.co.uk (Andrew Daw) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:51:43 +0100 Subject: Vanessa atalanta update - UK (& Commas) In-Reply-To: <3781E5D8.A2313516@versailles.inra.fr> Message-ID: <000601bec7ae$4cc74fc0$33242159@bunsen.redac.co.uk> My observations agree with all the mails on this subject so far. Re: Commas (polygonia c-album) At the weekend (3rd/4th July)I saw several fresh (2nd gen. Commas near Oxford and in the Malverns). Also saw one worn specimen. Other: I saw no Black Hairstreaks (Satyrium pruni). They do appear to be very sparse this year. But I did see a Purple Emperor (Apatura iris) which made up for it. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leps-l at lists.yale.edu [mailto:owner-leps-l at lists.yale.edu]On > Behalf Of Pierre Zagatti > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 12:18 PM > To: leps-l at lists.yale.edu > Subject: Re: Vanessa atalanta update - UK > > > I've seen 2 very fresh Aglais urticae this morning. Now the commas are rather > worn. > > It's 40 km south of Paris. > > -- > Pierre ZAGATTI > INRA Unite de Phytopharmacie et Mediateurs Chimiques > 78026 Versailles Cedex > FRANCE > Tel: (33) 1 30 83 31 18 > e-mail zagatti at versailles.inra.fr > http://www.jouy.inra.fr/papillon/ > > From Vandewoestijne at ecol.ucl.ac.be Tue Jul 6 10:06:23 1999 From: Vandewoestijne at ecol.ucl.ac.be (Sofie Vandewoestijne) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 16:06:23 +0200 Subject: Iphiclides podalirius and Zerynthia rumina Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990706160623.00798690@mail.ecol.ucl.ac.be> Hi everyone, I am looking for someone who could help me find some Iphiclides podalirius and Zerynthia rumina from southern Europe for a friend who doesn't have acces to internet. They have to be send to Japan. Apparently he thinks the best time to do this is as wintering pupae. Thanks in advance, Sofie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Sofie Vandewoestijne Unit? d'Ecologie et de Biog?ographie Universit? catholique de Louvain Place Croix du Sud, 4-5 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel: 00 32 (0)10/473447 Fax: 00 32 (0)10/473490 From biomddh at biology.au.dk Tue Jul 6 11:33:14 1999 From: biomddh at biology.au.dk (Morten DD Hansen) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 17:33:14 +0200 Subject: Vanessa atalanta update - UK References: <3.0.5.32.19990706085517.0083b5a0@mailserver.nhm.ac.uk>, <3.0.6.32.19990706104107.007b1800@mail.ecol.ucl.ac.be> Message-ID: <378221B9.3018D099@biology.au.dk> Hi all In Denmark the 2nd generation of A. urticae is emerging, but not in big numbers yet. In spring, around April 1st, the species was very common indeed here in DK. I guess we'll just have to wait a few more days.... best regards Morten DD Sofie Vandewoestijne wrote: > Hi Guy etc. > I have also been looking for Aglais urticae larvae in every nettle patch in > sight but haven't seen any so far. Have only seen 2 imagos (rather old) so > far. > Sofie > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > Sofie Vandewoestijne > Unit? d'Ecologie et de Biog?ographie > Universit? catholique de Louvain > Place Croix du Sud, 4-5 > 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve > Belgium > Tel: 00 32 (0)10/473447 > Fax: 00 32 (0)10/473490 -- Morten DD Hansen, stud. scient. Dept. of Zoology, Institute of Biological Sciences Building 135, University of Aarhus Universitetsparken, DK-8000 Aarhus C Telephone: +45 8942 2695 e-mail: biomddh at biology.au.dk homepage on migrating birds and butterflies: DD's Birds and Butterflies - new edition! http://www.biology.au.dk/~biomddh/ From gwang at mb.sympatico.ca Tue Jul 6 11:45:30 1999 From: gwang at mb.sympatico.ca (gwang) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:45:30 -0400 Subject: Monarch Message-ID: <3782249A.4C13@mb.sympatico.ca> Hi y'all, Just wanted to report that 2 monarchs have just eclosed this morning. One was a male, and the other a female, and what's more is that there are about another 65 monarchs on the way. Xi Wang From rkrogen at online.no Tue Jul 6 13:36:37 1999 From: rkrogen at online.no (Runar Krogen) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:36:37 +0200 Subject: Vanessa atalanta update Message-ID: <199907061740.TAA29420@online.no> Hi I have seen 3 specimens Vanessa atalanta around Trondheim, Norway. The first observation was done on June 10, while I saw the last one so far on June 26. The species does not migrate this far north every year, but I have observed it during most seasons in the 90-ties. I have not observed Vanessa cardui this season. Caterpillars of Aglais urticae have been seen in large numbers on Urtica dioica since mid May. The adults should appear soon. Polygonia c-album was locally rather common in April and May after hibernation. I was on a trip to Italy between June 10 and june 24. Some fresh Vanessa atalanta was seen at lower altitude around Rome, but not common, and not at all in the mountains. Caterpillars in different stages were found both at lower and higher ground. Vanessa cardui were seen in scattered specimens. Locally was Nymphalis polychloros common in fresh specimens, Polygonia c-album f. hutchinsoni (both fresh and worn), P. egea (mostly in center of Rome) and Apatura ilia (very local). Runar Krogen Buvika, Norway From venters at iinteralpha.co.uk Tue Jul 6 14:05:07 1999 From: venters at iinteralpha.co.uk (Nigel Venters) Date: 6 Jul 99 18:05:07 GMT Subject: Iphiclides podalirius and Zerynthia rumina References: <3.0.6.32.19990706160623.00798690@mail.ecol.ucl.ac.be> Message-ID: <01bec817$82ce1720$19e11ac3@e5q5n1> Sofie, Can I suggest that your friend chooses Zerynthia polxena or Z. cerisy if he intends to breed? Z rumina is a finicky feeder and is happy on Aristolchia baetica, A longa, A rotunda & A. pistolochia (Western European Aristolochia species) but refuses Aristolochia debilis the main Japanese Aristolochia available. Zerynthia polyxena, Z. cerisy & Archon apollinus on the other hand will take A. debilis. Nigel Sofie Vandewoestijne wrote in article <3.0.6.32.19990706160623.00798690 at mail.ecol.ucl.ac.be>... > Hi everyone, > I am looking for someone who could help me find some Iphiclides podalirius > and Zerynthia rumina from southern Europe for a friend who doesn't have > acces to internet. They have to be send to Japan. Apparently he thinks the > best time to do this is as wintering pupae. > Thanks in advance, > Sofie From mqnature at hiline.net Tue Jul 6 15:14:45 1999 From: mqnature at hiline.net (Mike Quinn) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:14:45 -0500 Subject: Gene Stratton-Porter - for sale In-Reply-To: <36DF0A7C.6C92@infinet.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19990304130313.0071fab4@mailhost.mbay.net> Message-ID: Dear Gene Stratton-Porter Aficionados, Going through my mail, I stumbled on this short March 1999 thread. Many of Gene's childrens books are available through the following huge used book search engine: http://www.bookfinder.com/ A variety of her reprints are affordable, starting around US$10.00, but the following 1st edition puppy will set you back US$1,000.00!!! "The Moths of the Limberlost" Publisher: Garden City: Doubleday, Page, 1912; First Edition. A very good copy. Presentation copy, inscribed by the author, "For Elnora Palmer Dunlap, With all loving good wishes, Gene Stratton-Porter, Limberlost Cabin, Nineteen hundred twelve." Mike Quinn, Donna, TX >Sheri, > >Interesting. One of the reasons Porter's books are so expensive is the >mania about her in the heartland. When shopping for a copy of "Moths of >the Limberlost" you are competing with all the other Gene >Stratton-Porter aficionados out there, and there are a lot of them. One >dealer in Indiana told me that her books are some of the most >collectible books around here (I'm in Ohio). $100.00 is a cheap price >for any of her books now. Too bad. > >Cheers, > >Eric > >Sheri Moreau wrote: >> >> Charles Gavette wrote a moving email on one of my most favorite >> authors, and the woman who is directly responsible for getting me >> involved in Lepidoptera. As a child, I inherited my grandmother's copy >> of GSP's "A Girl of the Limberlost" and have read it at least once >> annually ever since. Have also managed to obtain a number of her other >> books, although an affordable copy of "The Moths of the Limberlost" >> has thus far eluded me. >> >> I've always been curious as to whether she changed the spelling of her >> name from "Jean/Jeanne" to the masculine form "Gene" to increase her >> book sales, as so many other early women writers were forced to do >> (George Sand, for example). >> >> I was unaware of how Gene died. How bizarre that like our local >> naturalist celebrity here in Monterey, CA, "Doc" Ed Ricketts, it was >> as a result of a senseless, easily avoidable accident (Ed's car was >> hit by a train while he was on a beer run for some friends who'd >> dropped by his Lab). >> >> At any rate, Charles, could you please share the URL for the page you >> mentioned? I didn't realize Indiana had "shrines" to her memory, and >> now foresee a trip to the midlands in my near future! And to think I >> spent years of my life only 50 miles from Indiana!!! >> >> Thanks again for the info! >> >> Sheri >> >> >>>> >> >> A Gene Stratton-Porter page is located on the >> Internet. This coming spring and summer, I would like to >> visit the >> Limberlost Cabin, which was home to one who was a direct >> influence on my >> love for the Lepidoptera 38 years ago. Hope to see you >> there. From Carol.Lemmon at po.state.ct.us Tue Jul 6 15:08:46 1999 From: Carol.Lemmon at po.state.ct.us (Carol R. Lemmon) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:08:46 -0400 Subject: Looking for Saturniid ova Message-ID: <004101bec7e2$f9c49960$9db1fea9@0w5w0> We are looking for fertile ova of Eacles imperialis pini and Citheronia sepulcralis so we can rear out and photograph the larvae of these species. We are working on a photo guide to lepidopteran conifer defoliators of the Northeast and have been unable to locate these 2 species in the field. We would be willing to pay for these ova, as well as for overnight shipping. We can be contacted at Carol.Lemmon at po.state.ct.us if you have access to any of these species or know of someone who does. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Carol Lemmon, Deputy State Entomologist, State of CT Dr. Chris Maier, CT Agricultural Experiment Station Jeff Fengler, Research Assistant, CAES From mqnature at hiline.net Tue Jul 6 15:27:28 1999 From: mqnature at hiline.net (Mike Quinn) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:27:28 -0500 Subject: Texas Butterfly Festival In-Reply-To: <7ll9ru$893$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Message-ID: >I am considering attending the Texas Butterfly Festival >this October in Mission, TX. I am wondering if it is worth >the trip from Ohio and taking time off work. I would greatly >appreciate any feedback from previous years' festivals. Please >respond to my email address. > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. I'm so glad you asked, because we just got our web page together!!! Last year's festival was a blast (see the link to John and Gloria Tveten's comments below). It gives me great pleasure to announce: The 4th Annual Texas Butterfly Festival - http://www.TexasButterfly.com October 22, 23, 24, 1999 - Mission, Texas in the Lower Rio Grande Valley Nationally known speakers will include Robert Michael Pyle, John Acorn, and John and Gloria Tveten. Field trips will visit a diversity of habitats. The timing of our festival coincides with the peak in diversity and abundance of butterflies in the Rio Grande Valley. Complete list of speakers and field trips: http://www.TexasButterfly.com/events.html Here's what John and Gloria Tveten had to say about last year's festival in their weekly column written for the Houston Chronicle: http://www.naba.org/chapters/nabast/tveten1.html This festival is co-sponsored by our local NABA - South Texas Chapter: http://www.naba.org/chapters/nabast/index.html To be put on a mailing list for the Texas Butterfly Festival, please call or write to Shawn Withington at: 1-800-580-2700 / mission at missionchamber.com 220 East 9th Street, Mission, TX 78572 There will also be an exciting post-festival field trip to the Rancho del Cielo Biosphere Reserve area in southern Tamaulipas, Mexico led by ?Vamonos! Nature Tours. For details please contact Michael Delesantro at <956-969-8610> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2240/fwmxschd.htm For a look at current butterfly happenings in the Texas, please visit the archives of the TX-Butterfly Listserv: http://www.audubon.org/listserv/tx-butterfly.html Mission, Texas is the future home of the NABA Butterfly Park: http://naba.org/nababp.html Mission is also the future home of the World Birding Center: http://www.worldbirdcenter.com/ Thanks for your interest, Mike Quinn, Rio Grande Valley From venters at interalpha.co.uk Tue Jul 6 17:10:39 1999 From: venters at interalpha.co.uk (Nigel Venters) Date: 6 Jul 99 21:10:39 GMT Subject: Vanessa atalanta update - Denmark References: <377E299B.AF5FBF8E@biology.au.dk> Message-ID: <01bec831$70a0ed60$0fe11ac3@e5q5n1> V. atalanta, is starting to become a bit more common on South Coast of England now, I often wonder if we tend to notice them more because the buddelia starts flowering and causes them to congregate more than usual? P. c-album is the most frequently seen Nymphalid in my garden and I. io larva on the nettles on the edge of the woods at the end of the garden are pupating just now and A urticae are starting to become more common again. Is this going to be a bad year for cardui? I've only seen a worn straggler or two during June. Nigel From jshuey at tnc.org Tue Jul 6 18:19:02 1999 From: jshuey at tnc.org (John Shuey) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 17:19:02 -0500 Subject: Gene Stratton-Porter References: Message-ID: <378280D6.2E50BA36@tnc.org> For those of you with an interest in Gene Stratton Porter. Just 3 miles north of the Gene Stratton Porter State Memorial, The Nature Conservancy of Indiana maintains an amazing wetland preserve in her honor. Named "Swamp Angel" after one of her characters, this preserve is a complex of three small lakes surrounded by approximately 100 acres of amazing fen meadow (including about 10 acres of floating peat)- a fourth lake basin has completely filled in with peat, and is best classified as a circumneutral bog. The total site is approximately 300 acres of which we currently own 100 acres. Because of the wetland's location, and because it seems to epitomize so much of what Gene Stratton loved of the limberlost swamp, it is fitting that the site, one of the most important and internally complex fens in the Midwest, be maintained as a tribute to her legacy. Unfortunately, access to Swamp Angel is difficult, and it is open for visitation with permission only. The site is fragile and reasonably free from exotic species, so we try and limit use to less than 50- person days per year. There are no trails or public facilities, just high-quality wetland. If any one is interested in seeing this amazing complex, shoot me an email. John Shuey Director of Conservation Science Indiana Office of The Nature Conservancy phone: 317-923-7547 fax: 317-923-7582 email: Jshuey at tnc.org From mothman617 at aol.com Tue Jul 6 21:00:18 1999 From: mothman617 at aol.com (Mothman617) Date: 07 Jul 1999 01:00:18 GMT Subject: Infertile ova References: <931146385.881.71@news.remarQ.com> Message-ID: <19990706210018.15133.00001186@ng-fl1.aol.com> I have had this occur with A. luna pairings in the past. We probably should be misting our male pupae with water and ground up Viagra? From mothman617 at aol.com Tue Jul 6 21:12:33 1999 From: mothman617 at aol.com (Mothman617) Date: 07 Jul 1999 01:12:33 GMT Subject: Milkweed References: <19990704.182040.3582.12.kalos2@juno.com> Message-ID: <19990706211233.15133.00001195@ng-fl1.aol.com> Try behind Sandpoint Naval base along Lake Washington. This is the only place I have seen Milkweed grow in the Pacific Northwest and it was back in the late 1980,s. I had collected some nice P. rutulus, P. zelicaon and P. eurymedon at this spot. I live in Massachusetts and several varieties of Milkweed grow in abundance here. The fragrant blossoms attract multitudes of butterflies by day and moths by night especially Sphingidae. And of course Monarch caterpillars by the hundreds. If you plan a trip to New England in the near future I would be happy to be your guide. From mothman617 at aol.com Tue Jul 6 20:53:54 1999 From: mothman617 at aol.com (Mothman617) Date: 07 Jul 1999 00:53:54 GMT Subject: Cynthia's range References: <3781a093.5033713@news.gvi.net> Message-ID: <19990706205354.15133.00001182@ng-fl1.aol.com> Philosamia cynthia is only locally common in North America. The moth is usually seen in and around Urban areas from Massachusetts southward along the eastern seaboard to probably Georgia. The larva feeds upon Tree of Heaven (Ailanthus altissma) which is naturalized from Asia as well as the moth in question. There have been specimens of this taken as far west as Pittsburgh, Buffalo NY and Cincinatti OH, (from what I have heard or read). Wherever the food plant grows in abundance, there should be Cynthias. For a long time Tree of heaven grew in cities with soil that many native trees will not grow. It looks like overgrown Sumac. It can be found in railroad yards, vacant lots, industrial areas and along highways. I live near Boston and P. cynthia is quite common there as well as the surrounding suburbs. I have even found wild specimens of this in the rural area where I live. The males fly by day in September here. I have raised these as well and will feed upon Ash (Fraxinus), Lilac, and Privet as well as Tree of Heaven. The western range of this (my own hypothesis) is likely Chicago area or St. Louis area. I have traveled the western US and have not seen this tree growing beyond the Mississippi valley. I hope I was of help. M. Arey From cgurnick at cwix.com Tue Jul 6 22:26:29 1999 From: cgurnick at cwix.com (cgurnick) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 02:26:29 GMT Subject: What is this large white moth? Message-ID: <01bec820$5e351b80$07a73ea6@cwix> We recently had 2 large (at least 2 1/2 inches long each) moths mate, then lay very organized eggs on our white garage. The moths were both all white with black circles. Some of the circles were all black, but some of the other circles were not filled in. The eggs are khaki- colored, and they were laid all in a row, with some other smaller rows on top of each other. I still don't know why the moths laid the eggs with no apparent foodstuffs available. If anyone could help me identify the moth, I'd be very appreciative. I've tried all my insect/ moth and butterfly guides, but can't find anything even close. I live in a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio. Thanks, Chris Gurnick. From dyanega at pop.ucr.edu Tue Jul 6 23:21:05 1999 From: dyanega at pop.ucr.edu (Doug Yanega) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:21:05 -0700 Subject: What is this large white moth? Message-ID: >We recently had 2 large (at least 2 1/2 inches long each) moths mate, then >lay very organized eggs on our white garage. The moths were both all white >with black circles. Some of the circles were all black, but some of the >other circles were not filled in. The eggs are khaki- colored, and they >were laid all in a row, with some other smaller rows on top of each other. >I still don't know why the moths laid the eggs with no apparent foodstuffs >available. If anyone could help me identify the moth, I'd be very >appreciative. I've tried all my insect/ moth and butterfly guides, but >can't find anything even close. I live in a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio. >Thanks, Chris Gurnick. Try Hypercompe (=Ecpantheria) scribonia, plate 16 in Covell's field guide to eastern moths. Peace, Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California - Riverside, Riverside, CA 92521 phone: (909) 787-4315 (standard disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) http://insects.ucr.edu/staff/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 From conlan at adnc.com Wed Jul 7 00:52:24 1999 From: conlan at adnc.com (Chris Conlan) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:52:24 -0700 Subject: Hand Pairing Message-ID: <199907070455.VAA05966@gemini.adnc.com> The best website in the world can't prepare you to be an expert on hand pairing. This is really an art and is best learned by practice or (even better) in person with somebody who is good at it. The best learning tool out there is the swallowtail butterflies. These are easy compared to many of the other species. A few of the Saturniids are easy (especially the diurnal species) as well but most will test your patience. Practice on the Papilios and then try some of the easier Saturniids. After that you are pretty much on your own. The one piece of advice I can give you for the Saturniids is to make sure you attempt the breeding at the normal time it would occur if it was going to happen. It's usually best to let the female start calling and see the male get active in response to this. Then give it a shot (even if it is 3:00am!). For the swallowtails just remember that not all species are ready to go fresh out of the pupa. You may have to wait a few days. Just try for a few minutes and if the male is not interested than get an older male or wait another day. It's also best not to feed them right before you try a pairing or the darn things defecate all over the place. Best of luck! Chris From conlan at adnc.com Wed Jul 7 00:52:29 1999 From: conlan at adnc.com (Chris Conlan) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:52:29 -0700 Subject: giant swallowtail returns Message-ID: <199907070455.VAA05993@gemini.adnc.com> ---------- >Would larvae reared on it go looking for it when they got around to >laying eggs? I don't know of any studies exploring this question but I really doubt it's the sort of thing that happens overnight. In other words, I find it rather unlikely that a single instance of a butterfly laying on a substitute host will create a whole generation of butterflies that are all out searching for the substitute. In most cases I really think this is something that takes time. In the instances which can be cited where a butterfly jumped on to an introduced host right off the bat it would likely be found that there was little difference between the substitute and native host in the chemical cues being used by the ovipositing female. It might even be that in some cases the substitute may be even more attractive to the female. Another thing worth noting is that I think we give the butterflies too much credit in botany class! They are good but I have seen them lay on the wrong (and unacceptable) host many times. Plenty of times I have found buckmoth egg rings layed on the wrong plant or gulf frittilary eggs on the side of my house several feet from the nearest passion vine. However, one has to wonder if there isn't some sort of purpose to this. Seems like the little caterpillars manage to find their way back to the hostplant much of the time. Maybe (here goes more speculation) by laying on the wrong host, but still within walking distance of an acceptable host, parasites or predators are less likely to find the eggs? Anyway, just something I've pondered from time to time. Chris From paulcher at concentric.net Tue Jul 6 18:25:13 1999 From: paulcher at concentric.net (Paul Cherubini) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:25:13 +0000 Subject: giant swallowtail returns References: <199907070455.VAA05993@gemini.adnc.com> Message-ID: <37828249.7210@concentric.net> > Another thing worth noting is that I think we give the butterflies too much > credit in botany class! They are good but I have seen them lay on the wrong > (and unacceptable) host many times. Ditto here. Virtually every year I see a Tiger Swallowtail or Two Tailed Swallowtail lay one egg (and curiously just one egg) on my backyard butterfly bushes (Buddleia) which is an unsuitable swallowtail larval host plant. > However, one has to > wonder if there isn't some sort of purpose to this. Perhaps it's partly a practical thing too--if there are moments in her life when she is in a kind of butterfly labor...then maybe getting the botany exactly right may not be a big priority. Paul Cherubini From drdn at mail.utexas.edu Tue Jul 6 13:45:39 1999 From: drdn at mail.utexas.edu (Chris J. Durden) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:45:39 -0500 Subject: Cynthia's range In-Reply-To: <19990706205354.15133.00001182@ng-fl1.aol.com> References: <3781a093.5033713@news.gvi.net> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990706124539.007e5a10@mail.utexas.edu> Austin Texas but we have no *Philosamia cynthia*. Although Svante Palm attempted to start a silkworm industry here in the last century he may never have tried introducing *P. cynthia* or if he did, the summers may be too hot or dry for this species. If anyone has some spare pupae this fall I can test this. Although *Ailanthus altissima* has been introduced into North America from China in recent times, there was a native species of *Ailanthus* in the Madrotertiary flora preserved in the late Eocene (38MA) of Florissant, Colorado. ...........Chris Durden At 12:53 7/07/99 GMT, you wrote: >Philosamia cynthia is only locally common in North America. The moth is usually >seen in and around Urban areas from Massachusetts southward along the eastern >seaboard to probably Georgia. The larva feeds upon Tree of Heaven (Ailanthus >altissma) which is naturalized from Asia as well as the moth in question. There >have been specimens of this taken as far west as Pittsburgh, Buffalo NY and >Cincinatti OH, (from what I have heard or read). Wherever the food plant grows >in abundance, there should be Cynthias. For a long time Tree of heaven grew in >cities with soil that many native trees will not grow. It looks like overgrown >Sumac. It can be found in railroad yards, vacant lots, industrial areas and >along highways. I live near Boston and P. cynthia is quite common there as well >as the surrounding suburbs. I have even found wild specimens of this in the >rural area where I live. The males fly by day in September here. I have raised >these as well and will feed upon Ash (Fraxinus), Lilac, and Privet as well as >Tree of Heaven. The western range of this (my own hypothesis) is likely Chicago >area or St. Louis area. I have traveled the western US and have not seen this >tree growing beyond the Mississippi valley. I hope I was of help. >M. Arey > > From 1_iron at email.msn.com Wed Jul 7 06:16:33 1999 From: 1_iron at email.msn.com (Jim Taylor) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 06:16:33 -0400 Subject: Monarch References: <3782249A.4C13@mb.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <000701bec861$cb679a20$9f870a3f@kylepsoc> It surely would be helpful if posters would say where all this happened. Jim Taylor ----- Original Message ----- From: gwang To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 11:45 AM Subject: Monarch > Hi y'all, > Just wanted to report that 2 monarchs have just eclosed this morning. > One was a male, and the other a female, and what's more is that there > are about another 65 monarchs on the way. > > Xi Wang > From JADAMS at em.daltonstate.edu Wed Jul 7 10:12:40 1999 From: JADAMS at em.daltonstate.edu (DR. JAMES ADAMS) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:12:40 -0400 Subject: What is this large white moth? In-Reply-To: <01bec820$5e351b80$07a73ea6@cwix> Message-ID: <199907071259.IAA27722@dr-who.daltonstate.edu> Dear Chris and listers, Chris Gurnick wrote: > We recently had 2 large (at least 2 1/2 inches long each) moths mate, then > lay very organized eggs on our white garage. The moths were both all white > with black circles. Some of the circles were all black, but some of the > other circles were not filled in. The eggs are khaki- colored, and they > were laid all in a row, with some other smaller rows on top of each other. > I still don't know why the moths laid the eggs with no apparent foodstuffs > available. Sounds like a pair of Leopard Moths. If you have Covell's Peterson Field Guide to the moths of the Eastern U.S., check out Plate 16. If you got a look at the body, the abdomen should have been shiny bluish black with some orange down the middle. Tiger Moths (the family which the Leopard Moth [Hypercompe scribonia] is in) will frequently lay eggs just about anywhere. The larvae eat small herbaceous plants, like plantain, dandelion, etc., and so are very nomadic anyway. If you want to rear them, they will typically do very well on most of these plants, and even do pretty well if you keep several in close contact -- they seem to deal with crowding better than most larvae. They will get big, however, and will require a lot of food in the last instar, so you might want to try rearing just a few. James Dr. James K. Adams Dept. of Natural Science and Math Dalton State College 213 N. College Drive Dalton, GA 30720 Phone: (706)272-4427; fax: (706)272-2533 U of Michigan's President James Angell's Secret of Success: "Grow antennae, not horns" From cguppy at quesnelbc.com Tue Jul 6 22:39:33 1999 From: cguppy at quesnelbc.com (Cris Guppy & Aud Fischer) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:39:33 -0700 Subject: Vanessa atalanta update - UK (& Commas) Message-ID: <000401bec883$30f84300$76dcc2cf@cguppy> In contrast in British Columbia (Canada) the weather is generally poor and the season very late, but there are abnormally large numbers of most butterflies. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Daw To: zagatti at versailles.inra.fr ; leps-l at lists.yale.edu Date: July 6, 1999 5:58 AM Subject: RE: Vanessa atalanta update - UK (& Commas) >My observations agree with all the mails on this subject so far. >Re: Commas (polygonia c-album) > At the weekend (3rd/4th July)I saw several fresh (2nd gen. Commas near Oxford >and >in the Malverns). Also saw one worn specimen. > >Other: >I saw no Black Hairstreaks (Satyrium pruni). They do appear to be very sparse >this year. >But I did see a Purple Emperor (Apatura iris) which made up for it. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-leps-l at lists.yale.edu [mailto:owner-leps-l at lists.yale.edu]On >> Behalf Of Pierre Zagatti >> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 12:18 PM >> To: leps-l at lists.yale.edu >> Subject: Re: Vanessa atalanta update - UK >> >> >> I've seen 2 very fresh Aglais urticae this morning. Now the commas are rather >> worn. >> >> It's 40 km south of Paris. >> >> -- >> Pierre ZAGATTI >> INRA Unite de Phytopharmacie et Mediateurs Chimiques >> 78026 Versailles Cedex >> FRANCE >> Tel: (33) 1 30 83 31 18 >> e-mail zagatti at versailles.inra.fr >> http://www.jouy.inra.fr/papillon/ >> >> > > From Thorn at cc.denison.edu Wed Jul 7 07:50:19 1999 From: Thorn at cc.denison.edu (Robert Thorn) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:50:19 +0000 Subject: NW milkweed Message-ID: <37833EFA.879ED937@denison.edu> Common milkweed is very rare west of the Cascades. It's not native and doesn't like the moist climate, so it clusters around areas of some human activity. Look for it around old dumps (like Magnusen Park behind the Sand Point Naval Station or the Renton Ponds) or along railroad right-of-ways (like the Renton bikepath near where you live. We always use to ride along this path to examine the milkweeds, since it was one of the more reliable spots for it around Seattle.) Hope this helps. Rob Thorn From chrerick at email.msn.com Wed Jul 7 11:01:21 1999 From: chrerick at email.msn.com (Christopher Erickson) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:01:21 -0600 Subject: giant swallowtail returns References: <199907070455.VAA05993@gemini.adnc.com>, <37828249.7210@concentric.net> Message-ID: <#cnBUlIy#GA.433@cpmsnbbsa02> Being a complete amateur, I offer another possibility -- evolution is a constrained maximization process so that a mechanism that was perfect at selecting a species for egg laying might "crowd out" some other important behavior thereby reducing the overall survivability of the species. Paul Cherubini wrote in message news:37828249.7210 at concentric.net... > Chris Conlan wrote: > > > Another thing worth noting is that I think we give the butterflies too much > > credit in botany class! They are good but I have seen them lay on the wrong > > (and unacceptable) host many times. > > Ditto here. Virtually every year I see a Tiger Swallowtail or Two Tailed Swallowtail lay > one egg (and curiously just one egg) on my backyard butterfly bushes (Buddleia) which > is an unsuitable swallowtail larval host plant. > > > However, one has to > > wonder if there isn't some sort of purpose to this. > > Perhaps it's partly a practical thing too--if there are moments in her life when she is in a > kind of butterfly labor...then maybe getting the botany exactly right may not be a big > priority. > > Paul Cherubini > From NGD at wpo.nerc.ac.uk Wed Jul 7 12:16:47 1999 From: NGD at wpo.nerc.ac.uk (Nick Greatorex-Davies) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 17:16:47 +0100 Subject: Black Hairstreak UK Message-ID: Numbers appear to be lower than many years here at Monks Wood. They were also out earlier than usual (though not earlier than soemother recent years). Others locally have also said numbers are poor this year. Nick Greatorex-Davies Mr J Nick Greatorex-Davies (Butterfly Monitoring Scheme co-ordinator) Institute of Terrestrial Ecology Monks Wood Abbots Ripton Huntingdon Cambridgeshire PE17 2LS UK Tel: (+44) (0) 1487 773 381 Fax: (+44) (0) 1487 773 467 E-mail: n.greatorex-davies at ite.ac.uk From shubin at teleport.com Wed Jul 7 12:28:04 1999 From: shubin at teleport.com (Shubin) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:28:04 -0700 Subject: Where to purchase livestock? Message-ID: <37838013.408F46EA@teleport.com> I am interested in purchasing silk moth livestock as well as butterfly livestock? Who and Where? Companies? there a site where suppliers post? Thanks Andy Paradise Ponds shubin at teleport.com From shubin at teleport.com Wed Jul 7 12:29:18 1999 From: shubin at teleport.com (Shubin) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:29:18 -0700 Subject: Where to purchase livestock? Message-ID: <37838058.4595824C@teleport.com> I am interested in purchasing silk moth livestock as well as butterfly livestock? Who and Where? Companies? there a site where suppliers post? I am located in Vancouver, WA.,USA Thanks Andy Paradise Ponds shubin at teleport.com From dyanega at pop.ucr.edu Wed Jul 7 12:57:41 1999 From: dyanega at pop.ucr.edu (Doug Yanega) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:57:41 -0700 Subject: latest virus hoax Message-ID: On the theory that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, be warned a new "virus" hoax is passing around: >>Please read carefully: A new virus: WOBBLER. >> >>Just in case you do not know about it yet, please read the information >>below. >> >>It will arrive on e-mail titled "CALIFORNIA". IBM and AOL have >>announced that it is VERY powerful, more so than Melissa, and there is >>no remedy. It will EAT all your information on the hard drive and [snip] This hoax is explained at http://www.europe.datafellows.com/v-descs/wobbhoax.htm and probably other sites. Now none of you kind folks has an excuse to believe it when you get it, or pass it on. If you do receive it, pass the above info on to whoever sent the hoax to you and encourage them to pass a retraction along. Same goes for ALL suspicious-sounding messages, like "Congress wants tax on e-mail", "Long distance charges for e-mail", "IBM gives away free computers", "HIV needles in theater seats", "Cyanide on ATM envelopes", "E-mail petition for XYZ", etc. - never trust ANYTHING that urges you to "pass it on". Always check first, before passing things on. Lousy smart-ass practical jokers are almost worse than *real* viruses. Peace, Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California - Riverside, Riverside, CA 92521 phone: (909) 787-4315 (standard disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) http://insects.ucr.edu/staff/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 From venters at interalpha.co.uk Wed Jul 7 14:09:56 1999 From: venters at interalpha.co.uk (Nigel Venters) Date: 7 Jul 99 18:09:56 GMT Subject: giant swallowtail returns References: <199907070455.VAA05993@gemini.adnc.com>, <37828249.7210@concentric.net> Message-ID: <01bec8a9$363abd40$2be11ac3@e5q5n1> > > > Another thing worth noting is that I think we give the butterflies too much > > credit in botany class! They are good but I have seen them lay on the wrong > > (and unacceptable) host many times. OK they are simple creatures, but not daft! sometimes when feeding on sugar water they will lay an ova too. The buddelia reaction may be simply that it is so attractive to butterflies they are almost intoxicated! It causes the same unatural reaction. What your seeing is the odd egg wasted, she'll make very few mistakes overall and I'll still maintain they are the best botanists! > Paul Cherubini wrote: > Perhaps it's partly a practical thing too--if there are moments in her life when she is in a > kind of butterfly labor...then maybe getting the botany exactly right may not be a big > priority Or a practical solution to make a little more space for nectar? lose one or two ova for the benefit of the rest? Whatever the reason, with their normal natural wastage they don't make too many mistakes or they just wouldn't survive as a species. Nigel From james.allen at umb.edu Wed Jul 7 17:25:51 1999 From: james.allen at umb.edu (James Allen) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 17:25:51 -0400 Subject: Buterfly larval food recipe Message-ID: <3783C5DF.AF9DECFF@umb.edu> Hi everyone! This summer researchers are raising an extended family of "Painted Lady" (Vanessa carduii) butterflies in one of our greenhouses. In a small netted cage enclosure the butterflies lay there eggs all over hollyhock plants. If they are not picked off in time, they hatch and start munching away. Needless to say, thay have gone through quite a few hollyhock plants. I have also tried putting some other plants in the cage: Helichrysum, Centauria, and Burdock which they seem to like too. As I mentioned the eggs are picked off and reared on an artificial diet which is purchased form a lab supply company, and is somewhat costly. - this leads to my query. Since they like burdock plants, and there are a lot of them around, is there a recipe that anyone knows of to make that artificial diet? I was thinking of putting leaves in a blender - but I imagine that the result would be quite full of liquid. Any help would be appreciated. BTW. we also raise Manduca or tobacco horn worm on a similar diet that must contain Nicotiana. -- ******************************************* James R. Allen (everybody calls me "Jim") Horticulturist Biology Department University of Massachusetts Boston 100 Morrissey Boulevard Boston, MA 02125-3393 Tel: (617) 287-6580 Fax: (617) 287-6650 Web Page: http://Greenhouse.bio.umb.edu James.Allen at umb.edu ****************************************** From MWalker at gensym.com Wed Jul 7 20:01:37 1999 From: MWalker at gensym.com (Mark Walker) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:01:37 -0400 Subject: July 4th Weekend Message-ID: <45F8A30CE009D2118F850000F805064D8FE4B8@hqmail.gensym.com> Road tripping over the long U.S. holiday weekend - couldn't take part in any official counts, but I did manage to do some butterfly counting. I drove from Mission Viejo, CA to Cambria, CA on Friday, July 2, stopping at Frazier Park, Kern Co. I was just there two weeks ago, and it's amazing how much can change in just two weeks. Different plants were in bloom, and new butterflies were on the wing. This time, I had the whole family with me. Here's what we saw: Papilio rutulus (Western Tiger Swallowtail) - 2 Pontius protodice (Checkered White) - 12 Colias eurytheme (Orange Sulpher) - 4 Colias harfordii (Harford's Sulpher) - 3 Lycaena arota (Tailed Copper) > 30 Lycaena heteronea (Blue Copper) > 20 Satyrium tetra (Mahogany Hairstreak) - 2 Satyrium californica (California Hairstreak) > 30 Satyrium saepium (Hedgerow Hairstreak) - 2 Callophrys nelsoni (Nelson's Hairstreak) - 1 Euphilotes battoides (Square-spotted Blue) > 20 Plebejus icarioides (Boisduval's Blue) > 20 Plebejus acmon (Acmon Blue) > 30 Speyeria coronis (Coronis Fritillary) > 30 Limenitis lorquini (Lorquin's Admiral) - 5 Adelpha bredowii (California Sister) - 4 Cercyonis pegala (Common Wood Nymph) > 30 On Saturday, July 3, I spent the day in Templeton, CA (San Luis Obispo Co). Walking along a creek, I saw the following (it's always nice to find the Dryope's): Papilio rutulus (Western Tiger Swallowtail) - 6 Limenitis lorquini (Lorquin's Admiral) - 1 Pieris rapae (Cabbage White) > 20 Colias eurytheme (Orange Sulpher) - 11 Satyrium sylvinus dryope (Dryope Hairstreak) - 12 Plebejus acmon (Acmon Blue) - 3 Danaus plexippus (Monarch) - 1 Phyciodes mylitta (Mylitta Crescentspot) - 1 Pyrgus communis (Common Checkered Skipper) - 4 On Monday, July 5, I drove up Highway 395 and into Tulare Co. on the road to Kennedy Meadows with my two children. After a long drive, we took a long walk. The weather was very hot in the Mojave, but was pleasant up higher. The road is treacherous, however, and we passed many a trailer coming down with hot brakes. Not a very nice way to end a long weekend. Beautiful country, though, and lots of butterflies: unidentified white Pierid (Euchloe?) - 1 Lycaena xanthoides (Great Copper) - 4 Satyrium behrii (Behr's Hairstreak) > 30 Callophrys spinetorum or gryneus? (Thicket or Siva Hairstreak) - 24 Brephidium exile (Western Pygmy Blue) - 2 Plebejus saepiolus (Greenish Blue) > 20 Plebejus lupinus (Lupine Blue) - 16 Lycaeides idas (Northern Blue) - 2 Chlosyne palla (Northern Checkerspot) > 20 Poladryas arachne (Arachne Checkerspot) - 1 Euphydryas chalcedona (Chalcedon Checkerspot) - 2 Limenitis lorquini (Lorquin's Admiral) - 3 Adelpha bredowii (California Sister) - 1 Hesperia juba (Juba Skipper) > 30 Heliopetes ericetorum (Large White Skipper) - 3 Polites sonora (Sonora Skipper) - 8 Hope your weekend butterflying was equally productive. I'm finding things in CA to be a little late - but very abundant. I haven't been butterflying in drought-ridden San Diego county since April - are things warming up down there as well? Mark Walker Mission Viejo, CA From lepsjournal at sympatico.ca Wed Jul 7 20:08:32 1999 From: lepsjournal at sympatico.ca (Patrick Marceau) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:08:32 -0400 Subject: Saturniidae cocoons available this fall Message-ID: <3783EBFF.799E9545@sympatico.ca> I will have many Saturniidae cocoons to sell this fall (cecropia, columbia, polyphemus, luna, R. orizaba, etc). For more info or to reserve, contact me at lepsjournal at sympatico.ca thanks -- ------------------------------- Patrick Marceau E-mail: lepsjournal at sympatico.ca web site: http://www3.sympatico.ca/lepsjournal From llrogers at airmail.net Wed Jul 7 20:42:20 1999 From: llrogers at airmail.net (Linda Rogers) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:42:20 -0500 Subject: Buterfly larval food recipe In-Reply-To: <3783C5DF.AF9DECFF@umb.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990707194220.007a0640@mail.airmail.net> Dear Jim, Southland Corp. makes an excellent multiple-species mix that works well for several kinds of butterflies. You mix it in a blender and use boiling water. Have some chopped-up leaves from any host plant for that particular butterfly ready on the countertop. After you blend the mix and the boiling water very well, then throw in the leaves and let them blend for just a minute. You want the diet to be chunky with leaves and pieces.. you don't want to liquify the leaves completely. Obviously, you use milkweed for Monarchs, thistle (ouch! eee!) and malva/mallow or soybean plant for PL's.... Insect Lore makes a GREAT Painted Lady diet and Bethany Homeyer of Michael's Fluttering Wings mixes up just about the best artificial diets on the planet. My caterpillars think so anyway. So, if you want to mix it yourself and you have the leaves to go in it (lots) the number for Southland is (870) 265-3747. If you want A-1 premixed stuff, call Bethany at (512) 547-5568. To make it worth the shipping, order a large volume from Bethany. I think it keeps for quite awhile. More diet information and recipes can be found in Nigel's and my upcoming butterfly breeder's manual, which you can E-Mail me and I'll reserve a copy for you. It is to be an excellent resource for information on a WIDE variety of topics and butterfly species, and vendor/supplier lists of all kind. Vaya Con Mariposas.... Linda From cguppy at quesnelbc.com Wed Jul 7 20:31:23 1999 From: cguppy at quesnelbc.com (Cris Guppy & Aud Fischer) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:31:23 -0700 Subject: Buterfly larval food recipe Message-ID: <004401bec8ef$55224200$79dcc2cf@cguppy> Try blenderizing the plants and mixing them with agar to gell them. Enough water would have to be added to the liquified plants to fit the agar recipe, the plant slurry would need to be brought to a boil, mix in the agar, and pour into a pan to cool. In theory you should end up with "brownies" that you can cut up and feed to the caterpillars. I have not tried it, but in theory it should work. -----Original Message----- From: James Allen To: LEPS-L at lists.yale.edu Date: July 7, 1999 2:32 PM Subject: Buterfly larval food recipe >Hi everyone! > >This summer researchers are raising an extended family of "Painted Lady" > >(Vanessa carduii) butterflies in one of our greenhouses. In a small >netted >cage enclosure the butterflies lay there eggs all over hollyhock plants. >If they are not >picked off in time, they hatch and start munching away. Needless to say, > >thay have gone through quite a few hollyhock plants. > >I have also tried putting some other plants in the cage: Helichrysum, >Centauria, and Burdock >which they seem to like too. As I mentioned the eggs are picked off and >reared on >an artificial diet which is purchased form a lab supply company, and is >somewhat >costly. - this leads to my query. Since they like burdock plants, and >there are a lot >of them around, is there a recipe that anyone knows of to make that >artificial diet? > I was thinking of putting leaves in a blender - but I imagine that the >result would be >quite full of liquid. > >Any help would be appreciated. > >BTW. we also raise Manduca or tobacco horn worm on a similar diet that >must >contain Nicotiana. > > > >-- >******************************************* >James R. Allen (everybody calls me "Jim") >Horticulturist >Biology Department >University of Massachusetts Boston >100 Morrissey Boulevard >Boston, MA 02125-3393 > >Tel: (617) 287-6580 >Fax: (617) 287-6650 >Web Page: http://Greenhouse.bio.umb.edu > >James.Allen at umb.edu >****************************************** > > From jtuttle at fiaaz.net Wed Jul 7 21:42:24 1999 From: jtuttle at fiaaz.net (Tuttle) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:42:24 -0600 Subject: Manduca jasminearum Message-ID: <37840200.5E4B@fiaaz.net> The list of resident Sphingidae larvae that I still need to photograph has dwindled to single digits; 94 species have been photographed so far. Needless to say as the list gets shorter the process gets more difficult. I am requesting assistance in locating ova or larvae of Manduca jasminearum, the only species still needed from east of the Mississippi River. The contribution of livestock will be acknowledged when the book is eventually printed. Please contact me PRIOR to sending material. I thank all of you for keeping your eyes open. Regards, Jim Tuttle From conlan at adnc.com Thu Jul 8 01:55:16 1999 From: conlan at adnc.com (Chris Conlan) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:55:16 -0700 Subject: Buterfly larval food recipe Message-ID: <199907080558.WAA14252@gemini.adnc.com> While this idea sounds great in theory you will wind up with a green mess that molds faster than you can feed your larvae. Buying pre-prepared diets is a much easier way to go. Another post mentioned Southland Products and I'll second that recommendation. Chris ---------- >From: "Cris Guppy & Aud Fischer" >To: >Subject: Re: Buterfly larval food recipe >Date: Wed, Jul 7, 1999, 5:31 PM > >Try blenderizing the plants and mixing them with agar to gell them. Enough >water would have to be added to the liquified plants to fit the agar recipe, >the plant slurry would need to be brought to a boil, mix in the agar, and >pour into a pan to cool. In theory you should end up with "brownies" that >you can cut up and feed to the caterpillars. I have not tried it, but in >theory it should work. > From jmason at ink.org Thu Jul 8 14:15:19 1999 From: jmason at ink.org (Jim Mason) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:15:19 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <002b01bec96d$d91fa2e0$c49ec9a5@JimM.wp.state.ks.us> SET LEPS-L MAIL POSTPONE From Danfosha at aol.com Thu Jul 8 14:29:10 1999 From: Danfosha at aol.com (Danfosha at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:29:10 EDT Subject: Edge Message-ID: <62df1dde.24b647f6@aol.com> Bob, you didn't tell us much about your land trust, but I think some key issues need to be resolved before you find the answers to your questions. A disagreement of this type indicates that your group may not have made a decision about the precise purpose of your land trust. I assume you have a mission statement. Do you have goals for the land? You didn't tell us if your trust is designed to preserve farmland, restore land to historical conditions, protect rare species, or represent a sample of a particular Maine ecosystem. Your mission statement and goals (1 year, 5 years, 10 even, 100) will guide you. Do you have a decision making process decided? If you don't tackle these issues, my experience (as a board member of the Southern Plains Land Trust) suggests that you will spend significant amount of time in disagreement, and therefore inaction. I have some more information about organizational planning - email me if you want it. My personal opinion is that the world has no demonstrable need for dairy farms. Unless your organization is designed to provide employment to people, I wouldn''t bother with that either. Once you have your organization focused, you should do an inventory of everything you can. It is impossible to put together a science based management plan unless you know what you have. The Maine natural heritage program can help you with this, or at least give you direction. Do you have an advisory committee? Get an advisory committee of scientists who can give you advice on management for what you have on your land. If you find anything rare or unusual, you may want to manage for that, whether it is a species, an association or community. For example, you may be able to provide a significant nesting area for some birds. You can do a lot with 270 acres - every piece counts. You have an awesome and exciting responsibility. Best wishes, Dan Fosha From Guy_VdP at t-online.de Thu Jul 8 17:01:00 1999 From: Guy_VdP at t-online.de (Guy Van de Poel) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:01:00 +0200 Subject: Nymphalinae update - S. Germany Message-ID: <00ca01bec984$fc6cb000$5c779fc1@server> Hi all, Though the weather is still bad over here, my summer leave has started, so I _wanted_ to go out today. In between the showers, I managed to get back to the patch I found last weekend. The temperature is high enough, because there were several butterflies flying, though it was completely overcast. The first Vanessa cardui of the season was out there, feeding on the plant that gave him his name. It looked like it had just emerged, so probably not a migrant. Three Inachis io were out too, looking very fresh. Furthermore some Zygaena (as yet unidentified to species), the seasonal ones from my last mail, and some skippers : Thymelicus acteon, T. lineolus, Erynnis tages, Ochlodes venatus. There may have been T. sylvestris too, but I only had the chance to identify one of these for sure before the next shower came, and I had to run for home. The season seems a little bit late here too, though some others appear to be too early (T. acteon). Guy. Guy Van de Poel Guy_VdP at t-online.de Royal Entomological Society of Antwerp http://www.freeyellow.com/members/fransjanssens/index.html From Boydtd at aol.com Thu Jul 8 17:33:41 1999 From: Boydtd at aol.com (Boydtd at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:33:41 EDT Subject: Red Admiral Message-ID: <37a2d02.24b67335@aol.com> I saw my first Red Admiral of the season here today at Helen's Bay, 10 miles NE of Belfast in Northern Ireland. It was in perfect condition. Also the first Small Tortoiseshell to hatch this summer among 269 butterflies seen on a Pollard transect, the largest number ever seen on a weekly transect in 10 years. 155 of them were Ringlets. Temperature during transect 24 degrees celsius. Trevor Boyd Butterfly Conservation, Northern Ireland. From mothman617 at aol.com Thu Jul 8 20:14:45 1999 From: mothman617 at aol.com (Mothman617) Date: 09 Jul 1999 00:14:45 GMT Subject: Danaus gilippus in Massachusetts Message-ID: <19990708201445.28018.00000912@ng-da1.aol.com> I had a rather unusual sighting today of Danaus gilippus (Queen) in Topsfield, Essex Co. Massachustts on July 7, 1999. It was a slightly worn female depositing eggs upon Swamp Milkweed. I have seen and collected this species in Florida where it is quite common. In current literature there is no mention of this butterfly migrating northward from its current range. This is most definately a stray and the fact of this laying eggs upon this Milkweed means there will be a local population of this butterfly perhaps. I followed her around and collected some of the ova upon the leaves to rear a few. I was wondering if anyone else has seen this butterfly this far north, if so it would be interesting. From spruance at infinet.com Thu Jul 8 21:57:00 1999 From: spruance at infinet.com (Eric or Pat Metzler) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:57:00 -0400 Subject: Spotted: new species - at Target! References: <7m2vo6$lh1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Message-ID: <378556EC.4224@infinet.com> Scotts has a big plant and research farms near Columbus, Ohio. We see their trucks all the time, and all have the monarch/swallowtail butterfly boldly and largely displayed on their trucks. Cheers to all, Eric Metzler Columbus OH No, Spam, Please wrote: > > This amused me, so I thought I would share it. > > Would you believe it? > I was walking through the garden section > of Target Tuesday night and I glanced down > at a bag of "Miracle Gro - Butterfly and > Hummingbird Mix." To my surprise, there > was a photograph of a "Monarch Swallowtail" > on the bag. (Well, a photograph of a Danaus > plexippus with the trailing HW edge and tails > of a Papilio troilus [or glaucus?] superimposed > on top.) How weird! I wonder why they had > to do that? > > Anyway, I found the product on the Scotts site > if anyone is interested. You can't see the > butterfly very well in the picture on their site. > It's in the upper-left corner of the yellow part > of the bag. Look for it next time you're in the > garden section -- it's a surreal experience. > > http://www.scottscompany.com/html/body_b09k_pch.cfm > > ----------------------- > --- Dave in Atlanta > --- http://www.lepidoptera.net > ----------------------- > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From apples at dynamite.com.au Fri Jul 9 01:42:21 1999 From: apples at dynamite.com.au (pialligo apples) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:42:21 +1000 Subject: Codling Moth Granulosis virus Message-ID: <37858BBC.5CAB043D@dynamite.com.au> Does anyone know a reliable source of codling moth granulosis virus that I can use in my apple orchard to help control codling moth? Robyn, Pialligo Apples, Canberra, Australia From ceruleanfoam at hotmail.com Fri Jul 9 12:00:31 1999 From: ceruleanfoam at hotmail.com (David Rice) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:00:31 GMT Subject: Looking for book on lep eyes .....(Shinkyo-Press,1963) Message-ID: <19990709160031.64660.qmail@hotmail.com> Does anyone know where I can find the following reference? Yagi, N. and N. Koyama. 1963. The compound eye of the lepidoptera, Shinkyo - Press. 319 pp. I've had the hardest time tracking it down..... VR, David L. Rice III Fish and Wildlife Division, Camp Lejeune address: Commanding General MCB Camp Lejeune AC/S, EMD/FWD, David Rice (SCA) PSC BOX 20004 Camp Lejeune, NC 28542-0004 910-451-2148 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From ceruleanfoam at hotmail.com Fri Jul 9 12:19:08 1999 From: ceruleanfoam at hotmail.com (David Rice) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:19:08 GMT Subject: VENUS FLY TRAP MOTH (Hemipachnobia subporphyrea) Message-ID: <19990709161909.11329.qmail@hotmail.com> I will be working with a research group from NC Natural Heritage to determine the status of the Venus Fly Trap Moth at Camp Lejeune, NC. We haven't been able to find the moth on base even though we have one of the largest known populations of the flytrap. It might have been extirpated from the base due to the practice of prescribed burning. Has anyone spotted this moth? if so how did you collect it? We are looking for anyone with info on this moth. Thanks very much. VR, David L. Rice III address: Commanding General MCB Camp Lejeune AC/S, EMD/FWD. Dave Rice PSC 20004 Camp Lejeune, NC 28542-0004 910-451-2148 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From drdn at mail.utexas.edu Fri Jul 9 00:52:08 1999 From: drdn at mail.utexas.edu (Chris J. Durden) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:52:08 -0500 Subject: 17th AUSTIN JULY CENSUS of butterflies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990708235208.007e5540@mail.utexas.edu> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you know your skippers please join us for the seventeenth annual July butterfly census on Saturday 10th July, 1999. The census is conducted by the AUSTIN AURELIANS. All participants in past census counts are honorary Austin Aurelians. This is a collectors' census, voucher specimens will be taken. Records are maintained by the BALCONIAN NATURALISTS' GROUP. Early counts were published in the reports of the Xerces Society. This census comes at a climatically sensitive time of year and is a general indicator of the health of our fauna. Time of the census is selected as a day from 190 to 199. This is usually July 10th or the first Saturday following. Census results from 1982 cover the period of diversity before the imported fire ant invasion, the crash of 1986 following the fire ant invasion, and the gradual incomplete recovery since. Data also documents the gradual increase in occurrence of tropical elements of our fauna, correlated with the slight increase in global temperatures over the period of the census. The sampling circle is centered on Mount Bonnel and includes resampling of sites in the Balconian Canyonlands Biotic District, Black Wax Prairie and Colorado River Floodplain. Classic sites on Barton Creek and Bull Creek will be resampled. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Meet at the Mount Bonnel Park Entrance with your net, sunscreen, hat, and refreshments, in time to start the count at 10 AM. The count will proceed until dark or exhaustion, whichever comes first. There will be cool refreshment stops between sample sites. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you have questions, contact me by email. .........Chris Durden From drdn at mail.utexas.edu Fri Jul 9 01:09:34 1999 From: drdn at mail.utexas.edu (Chris J. Durden) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:09:34 -0500 Subject: 17th AUSTIN JULY CENSUS of butterflies Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990709000934.007f0480@mail.utexas.edu> >Sender: Audubon Texas butterfly discussion >From: "Chris J. Durden" >Subject: 17th AUSTIN JULY CENSUS of butterflies >Comments: cc: leps-l at lists.yale.edu >To: TX-BUTTERFLY at LIST.AUDUBON.ORG > > AUSTIN (TEXAS) JULY BUTTERFLY CENSUS >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > If you know your skippers please join us for the seventeenth annual July >butterfly census on Saturday 10th July, 1999. The census is conducted by >the AUSTIN AURELIANS. All participants in past census counts are honorary >Austin Aurelians. This is a collectors' census, voucher specimens will be >taken. Records are maintained by the BALCONIAN NATURALISTS' GROUP. Early >counts were published in the reports of the Xerces Society. This census >comes at a climatically sensitive time of year and is a general indicator >of the health of our fauna. Time of the census is selected as a day from >190 to 199. This is usually July 10th or the first Saturday following. >Census results from 1982 cover the period of diversity before the imported >fire ant invasion, the crash of 1986 following the fire ant invasion, and >the gradual incomplete recovery since. Data also documents the gradual >increase in occurrence of tropical elements of our fauna, correlated with >the slight increase in global temperatures over the period of the census. > The sampling circle is centered on Mount Bonnel and includes resampling >of sites in the Balconian Canyonlands Biotic District, Black Wax Prairie >and Colorado River Floodplain. Classic sites on Barton Creek and Bull Creek >will be resampled. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Meet at the Mount Bonnel Park Entrance with your net, sunscreen, hat, and >refreshments, in time to start the count at 10 AM. The count will proceed >until dark or exhaustion, whichever comes first. There will be cool >refreshment stops between sample sites. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > If you have questions, contact me by email. >.........Chris Durden > >====================================== >To unsubscribe, send the message SIGNOFF TX-BUTTERFLY to >LISTSERV at LIST.AUDUBON.ORG >To change to the daily digest, send the message SET TX-BUTTERFLY DIGEST to >LISTSERV at LIST.AUDUBON.ORG >TX-BUTTERFLY archives: >====================================== > From gochfeld at eohsi.rutgers.edu Fri Jul 9 18:58:25 1999 From: gochfeld at eohsi.rutgers.edu (Michael Gochfeld) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:58:25 -0400 Subject: Danaus gilippus in Massachusetts In-Reply-To: mothman617@aol.com (Mothman617) "Danaus gilippus in Massachusetts" (Jul 9, 12:14am) References: <19990708201445.28018.00000912@ng-da1.aol.com> Message-ID: <990709185831.ZM3622@Gochfeld> A Queen in Massachusetts certainly sounds like a stray. We did not find any Queen records for NJ when we did our book. Nor did I think that it even occurred as far north as Virginia. However, after two warm winters, it is possible that it overwintered further north than usual (usually not much north of Florida), hence provided a nucleus for straying northward. We've heard of some unusually early northern records of Fiery Skipper (Hylephila phyleus) this year, so maybe it foretells a pattern. M. Gochfeld From viceroy at anu.ie Sat Jul 10 01:01:20 1999 From: viceroy at anu.ie (Anne Kilmer) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 06:01:20 +0100 Subject: Danaus gilippus in Massachusetts References: <19990708201445.28018.00000912@ng-da1.aol.com> <990709185831.ZM3622@Gochfeld> Message-ID: <3786D3A0.AE73DC71@anu.ie> It could be an escape from a butterfly house or a traveling exhibit. It could be a release from somebody's trip to Florida. In any case, it's not going to establish a population in Massachusetts, even assuming it finds a mate, unless you have arranged some major changes in the climate. :-) Anne Kilmer Mayo Ireland Michael Gochfeld wrote: > > A Queen in Massachusetts certainly sounds like a stray. We did not find > any Queen records for NJ when we did our book. Nor did I think that it > even occurred as far north as Virginia. However, after two warm > winters, it is possible that it overwintered further north than usual > (usually not much north of Florida), hence provided a nucleus for > straying northward. We've heard of some unusually early northern > records of Fiery Skipper (Hylephila phyleus) this year, so maybe it > foretells a pattern. > > M. Gochfeld From nardoz at earthlink.net Sat Jul 10 14:50:52 1999 From: nardoz at earthlink.net (Dale Clark) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:50:52 -0500 Subject: Danaus gilippus in Massachusetts References: <19990708201445.28018.00000912@ng-da1.aol.com> <990709185831.ZM3622@Gochfeld> Message-ID: <3787960C.F18@earthlink.net> Queens (Danaus gilippus) are having a record here in the north Texas area. I was out in the field yesterday for only about an hour and saw over 25. Never seen this many at one time in the Dallas, TX area. Other early strays/immigrants that I've seen in the past week in large numbers are Texas Crescents (Phyciodes texana) and Mexican Sulphur (Eurema mexicana). I also collected two fresh Long Tailed Skippers (Urbanus proteus) and a Sickle-winged Skipper (Achlyodes thraso), both speices being found earlier this year than in previous ones. Dale Clark Dallas County Lepidopterists' Society 10142 Estacado Drive Dallas, TX 75228 From Amazon009 at aol.com Sat Jul 10 20:01:34 1999 From: Amazon009 at aol.com (Amazon009 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 20:01:34 EDT Subject: Andrew King? Message-ID: <6587551c.24b938de@aol.com> Does anyone know how I can get in contact with Andrew King?, a British entomologist who worked in Costa Rica over 10 years ago. Thanks, Jim Hanlon e-mail: Amazon009 at aol.com From sandydavid at newscientist.net Sun Jul 11 09:20:25 1999 From: sandydavid at newscientist.net (sandydavid) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:20:25 +0100 Subject: New moths (to me anyway) Message-ID: <37889c00@news2.vip.uk.com> Rather than post full moth trap results I would just like to share my exitement at catching four species in my moth trap that I haven't seen before (usually it's only one or none and then the new one is an LBJ that I have great difficulty in identifying). They were- Endotricha flammealis Phragmattbia fuliginosa fuliginosa (ruby tiger) Cucullia umbrutica ( the shark) Sphix ligustri ( privet hawkmoth) The privet hawk was very impressive and nextdoors kids loved it, Is it the largest britsh hawk? thanks sandy -- Sandy David Oakley, Bedfordshire, U.K. From MYTZ14A at prodigy.com Sun Jul 11 09:19:39 1999 From: MYTZ14A at prodigy.com (Sunsol Daniels) Date: 11 Jul 1999 13:19:39 GMT Subject: Looking for book on lep eyes .....(Shinkyo-Press,1963) References: <19990709160031.64660.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <7ma5lb$68oe$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> > >Does anyone know where I can find the following reference? > Yagi, N. and N. Koyama. 1963. The compound eye of the lepidoptera, Shinkyo >- Press. 319 pp. > >I've had the hardest time tracking it down..... > >VR, >David L. Rice III >Fish and Wildlife Division, Camp Lejeune I have heard that there are great book-finding sites on the web. They direct you to the independant rare book stores that have the book you want. As a result of these sevices, business at antique book stores is booming. But maybe the book is current? Sally From Ian at dunlinclose.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 11 09:22:57 1999 From: Ian at dunlinclose.freeserve.co.uk (Ian Thirlwell) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:22:57 +0200 Subject: New moths (to me anyway) References: <37889c00@news2.vip.uk.com> Message-ID: <7ma9fi$dme$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> It's a lovely moth don't you agree? The hawks provide great conversation pieces with the neighbours, curious as to what is going on. Privet is not the largest hawk that occurs in GB. Death's-head Hawk (Acherontia atropos) averages a bit larger, but this is an uncommon migrant. Ian Thirlwell Hampshire, UK sandydavid wrote in message <37889c00 at news2.vip.uk.com>... >Rather than post full moth trap results I would just like to share my >exitement at catching four species in my moth trap that I haven't seen >..snip.. >The privet hawk was very impressive and nextdoors kids loved it, Is it the >largest britsh hawk? > >thanks > >sandy >-- >Sandy David >Oakley, Bedfordshire, U.K. > > From chrerick at email.msn.com Sun Jul 11 22:04:50 1999 From: chrerick at email.msn.com (Christopher Erickson) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:04:50 -0600 Subject: Looking for book on lep eyes .....(Shinkyo-Press,1963) References: <19990709160031.64660.qmail@hotmail.com>, <7ma5lb$68oe$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID: <#eVcfqAz#GA.261@cpmsnbbsa03> Sunsol Daniels wrote in message news:7ma5lb$68oe$1 at newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com... > ceruleanfoam at hotmail.com (David Rice) wrote: > > > >Does anyone know where I can find the following reference? > > Yagi, N. and N. Koyama. 1963. The compound eye of the lepidoptera, > Shinkyo > >- Press. 319 pp. > > > >I've had the hardest time tracking it down..... > > > >VR, > >David L. Rice III > >Fish and Wildlife Division, Camp Lejeune > > I have heard that there are great book-finding sites on the web. They > direct you to the independant rare book stores that have the book you > want. As a result of these sevices, business at antique book stores is > booming. But maybe the book is current? > > Sally > From donald.davis at utoronto.ca Mon Jul 12 01:22:02 1999 From: donald.davis at utoronto.ca (Donald A. Davis) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 05:22:02 GMT Subject: Northern Fiery Skipper Records References: mothman617@aol.com, (Mothman617) Message-ID: <37897B79.FBA126D7@utoronto.ca> records of Fiery Skipper (Hylephila phyleus) this year, so maybe it foretells a pattern. > The first Presqu'ile Provincial Park (Ontario) butterfly count was held > on July 7th. The park is a peninsula (tombolo) that juts out into Lake > Ontario - about 150 km east of Toronto on the north shore of Lake > Ontario. New butterfly species for the park spotted that day were fiery > skipper and gray hairstreak. Also seen on Friday was a rare southern bird species (tufted titmouse). Don Davis Toronto, ON > From kayoko.nishihara at nifty.ne.jp Mon Jul 12 00:48:23 1999 From: kayoko.nishihara at nifty.ne.jp (kayoko.nishihara) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:48:23 +0900 Subject: Looking for book on lep eyes ... Message-ID: <199907120448.NAA18419@ms4.nifty.ne.jp> > Does anyone know where I can find the following reference? > Yagi, N. and N. Koyama. 1963. The compound eye of the lepidoptera, > Shinkyo- Press. 319 pp. I think the exact title and publisher is: YAGI, Nobuhiro and Nagao KOYAMA. 1963. The compound eye of the Lepidoptera:Approach from organic evolution, Maruzen, Tokyo. 319 pp. The book and their relevant paper are preserved at some libraries of Japanese national universities, especially Shinshu University where they studied compound eyes of butterflies. You can get copy services, though it is rather expensive. Kayoko Nishihara Nagoya, Japan From kmoon at ucla.edu Mon Jul 12 01:09:24 1999 From: kmoon at ucla.edu (Kathleen Moon) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:09:24 -0700 Subject: Buterfly larval food recipe References: <3783C5DF.AF9DECFF@umb.edu>, <3.0.6.32.19990707194220.007a0640@mail.airmail.net> Message-ID: <37897884.40B7F6A7@ucla.edu> > > Dear Jim, > > Southland Corp. makes an excellent multiple-species mix that works well for > several kinds of butterflies. You mix it in a blender and use boiling > water. Have some chopped-up leaves from any host plant for that particular > butterfly ready on the countertop. After you blend the mix and the boiling > water very well, then throw in the leaves and let them blend for just a > minute. You want the diet to be chunky with leaves and pieces.. you don't > want to liquify the leaves completely. Obviously, you use milkweed for > Monarchs, thistle (ouch! eee!) and malva/mallow or soybean plant for > PL's.... Insect Lore makes a GREAT Painted Lady diet and Bethany Homeyer of > Michael's Fluttering Wings mixes up just about the best artificial diets on > the planet. My caterpillars think so anyway. So, if you want to mix it > yourself and you have the leaves to go in it (lots) the number for > Southland is (870) 265-3747. If you want A-1 premixed stuff, call Bethany > at (512) 547-5568. To make it worth the shipping, order a large volume > from Bethany. I think it keeps for quite awhile. > > More diet information and recipes can be found in Nigel's and my upcoming > butterfly breeder's manual, which you can E-Mail me and I'll reserve a copy > for you. It is to be an excellent resource for information on a WIDE > variety of topics and butterfly species, and vendor/supplier lists of all > kind. One thing you forgot: make sure the blender is **very** thoroughly cleaned before using it for anything else. Some of the host plants used by lep larvae are chock full of stuff we humans can't handle at all. Besides, a painted lady caterpillar probably would be able to handle the toxins a monarch needs; likewise a swallowtail and a sphinx, respectively. From biomddh at biology.au.dk Mon Jul 12 08:13:35 1999 From: biomddh at biology.au.dk (Morten DD Hansen) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:13:35 +0200 Subject: looking for(ward) Nature article Message-ID: <3789DBEF.FEA8888B@biology.au.dk> Hi all I have met the reference Parmesan, C., N. Ryrholm, C. Stefanescu, J.K. Hill, C.D. Thomas, H. Descimon, B. Huntley, L. Kaila, J. Kullberg, T. Tammaru, J. Tennent, J.A. Thomas, M. Warren, 1999: Climate Warming Changing Species' Distributions. Nature in press. several times, and I'm looking forward to reading it. Has it been published, or when is it going to be published? kind regards Morten DD Hansen -- Morten DD Hansen, stud. scient. Dept. of Zoology, Institute of Biological Sciences Building 135, University of Aarhus Universitetsparken, DK-8000 Aarhus C Telephone: +45 8942 2695 e-mail: biomddh at biology.au.dk homepage on migrating birds and butterflies: DD's Birds and Butterflies - new edition! http://www.biology.au.dk/~biomddh/ From ceri.jones at net.ntl.com Mon Jul 12 09:30:29 1999 From: ceri.jones at net.ntl.com (Ceri Jones) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:30:29 +0100 Subject: atropos Message-ID: <000501becc6a$d9fd2c00$1a12a8c2@default> Hi everyone, I have seen Atropos mentioned a few times of late, can somebody, enlighten me, is it a magazine or society? Thank you very much kind regards Ceri Ceri. Jones. Barry Vale of Glamorgan. http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/uk-leps From sheri at butterflywings.com Mon Jul 12 11:39:18 1999 From: sheri at butterflywings.com (Sheri Moreau) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:39:18 -0700 Subject: butterfly landing on person myth?? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990712083918.007f1350@mailhost.mbay.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 550 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/private/leps-l/attachments/19990712/c15b9da0/attachment.bin From olek at biol.uni.torun.pl Mon Jul 12 13:24:21 1999 From: olek at biol.uni.torun.pl (Andrzej Oleksa) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:24:21 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: unsubscribe olek at biol.uni.torun.pl From biomddh at biology.au.dk Mon Jul 12 13:30:52 1999 From: biomddh at biology.au.dk (Morten DD Hansen) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:30:52 +0200 Subject: looking for(ward to) Nature article References: <3789DBEF.FEA8888B@biology.au.dk> Message-ID: <378A264B.F3C1C084@biology.au.dk> Hi again I found the article I was looking for Parmesan, C., N. Ryrholm, C. Stefanescu, J.K. Hill, C.D. Thomas, H. Descimon, B. Huntley, L. Kaila, J. Kullberg, T. Tammaru, J. Tennent, J.A. Thomas, M. Warren, 1999: Poleward shifts in geographical ranges of butterfly species associated with regional warming. - Nature 399: 579-583. Have you all read it? It's quite exciting stuff...... kind regards Morten DD Hansen Morten DD Hansen wrote: > Hi all > > I have met the reference > > Parmesan, C., N. Ryrholm, C. Stefanescu, J.K. Hill, C.D. Thomas, H. > Descimon, B. Huntley, L. Kaila, J. Kullberg, T. Tammaru, J. Tennent, > J.A. Thomas, M. Warren, 1999: Climate Warming Changing Species' > Distributions. Nature in press. > > several times, and I'm looking forward to reading it. Has it been > published, or when is it going to be published? > -- Morten DD Hansen, stud. scient. Dept. of Zoology, Institute of Biological Sciences Building 135, University of Aarhus Universitetsparken, DK-8000 Aarhus C Telephone: +45 8942 2695 e-mail: biomddh at biology.au.dk homepage on migrating birds and butterflies: DD's Birds and Butterflies - new edition! http://www.biology.au.dk/~biomddh/ From acynor at fullerton.edu Mon Jul 12 13:44:16 1999 From: acynor at fullerton.edu (Anthony W. Cynor) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:44:16 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: butterfly landing on person myth??] Message-ID: <378A2970.D5EB0D36@fullerton.edu> Would you care to comment on this, it is interesting to me as well. Tony -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: unknown sender Subject: no subject Date: no date Size: 487 Url: http://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/private/leps-l/attachments/19990712/03532b52/attachment.mht From dyanega at pop.ucr.edu Mon Jul 12 14:44:29 1999 From: dyanega at pop.ucr.edu (Doug Yanega) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:44:29 -0700 Subject: butterfly landing on person myth?? Message-ID: Apparently there is an ancient myth (from the Orient I believe) about the significance of a butterfly landing on a person. It is apparently significant spiritually or something. Not sure about the myth, though I do recall something in the Tarot (the card "The Fool" sometimes depicts a butterfly landing on him, indicating spiritual metamorphosis) - but in *reality*, a number of Apaturid species here (hackberry butterfly, tawny emperor) and elsewhere commonly land on people to drink perspiration. They can be rather persistent, in fact. So, at least the phenomenon does occur in nature commonly enough that the myth has a basis in fact. Peace, Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California - Riverside, Riverside, CA 92521 phone: (909) 787-4315 (standard disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) http://insects.ucr.edu/staff/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 From MasterChem at aol.com Mon Jul 12 15:37:21 1999 From: MasterChem at aol.com (MasterChem at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:37:21 EDT Subject: Atlas emergency!!! Message-ID: <34e9da93.24bb9df1@aol.com> Hi! I recently got 11 A. atlas moth coccoons and in the box, a pair (male and female) emerged! The wings are messed up, but I would still like to breed them. Does anyone know if and how I can still hand pair them so I can get fertile eggs from the female? Thanks! From ceri.jones at net.ntl.com Mon Jul 12 16:20:36 1999 From: ceri.jones at net.ntl.com (Ceri Jones) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:20:36 +0100 Subject: Atropos. Message-ID: <005e01beccae$abf9c040$1712a8c2@default> Thanks to everyone who has informed me of Atropos, it sounds like I am missing out here, I will sign up tomorrow,, Ok I was pleased to find a common emerald in the garden tonight, A first for the garden and I know it's not rare, but a beautiful little moth. Ceri. Jones. Barry Vale of Glamorgan. http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/uk-leps From ceri.jones at net.ntl.com Mon Jul 12 16:25:44 1999 From: ceri.jones at net.ntl.com (Ceri Jones) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:25:44 +0100 Subject: Valley. Message-ID: <005f01beccae$b7993700$1712a8c2@default> We went for a walk up to a local undisturbed valley again tonight, I was amazed how the river, had started to dry up since the weekend, anyway, we counted 200 plus ringlets, 200 plus meadow browns. 1 small skipper. and a large yellow underwing. as my Springer spaniel run through the grass there were swathes of butterflies to be seen a wonderful sight. Ceri. Jones. Barry Vale of Glamorgan. http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/uk-leps From demayjerome at infonie.fr Mon Jul 12 17:40:46 1999 From: demayjerome at infonie.fr (demayjerome) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:40:46 +0200 Subject: Indonésian butterflies dealer Message-ID: <931816160.399642@news2> Hi, I look for indon?sian lepidoptera dealer (dried). All moth and butterflies. Contact me ? From your-username-here at students.wisc.edu Mon Jul 12 18:24:50 1999 From: your-username-here at students.wisc.edu (your full name) Date: 12 Jul 1999 22:24:50 GMT Subject: mellisa Message-ID: <7mdpvi$grs$1@news.doit.wisc.edu> How about those Karner Blues.... From mothman617 at aol.com Mon Jul 12 18:49:23 1999 From: mothman617 at aol.com (Mothman617) Date: 12 Jul 1999 22:49:23 GMT Subject: butterfly landing on person myth?? References: <3.0.5.32.19990712083918.007f1350@mailhost.mbay.net> Message-ID: <19990712184923.01985.00012660@ng-cc1.aol.com> I have seen Red Spotted Purple (L. astayanax) and Banded Purple (L. arthemis) land upon people, they are possibly attracted to bright colored clothing. Many collectors in the tropics use brightly colored objects to attract males of Morphos and some Nymphalidae. I have also seen butterflies land on people at the beach. I found out that they have a fondness for suntan oil/lotion. I once watched a very persistant Polygonia hovering about a young woman sunbathing. And when she tried to shoo it away. It would fly around rapidly and then keep repeating to land on her to drink whatever perspiration/ suntan oil mixture. From dreggianti at iol.it Mon Jul 12 20:15:54 1999 From: dreggianti at iol.it (Diego Reggianti) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 02:15:54 +0200 Subject: butterfly landing on person myth?? Message-ID: <006001beccc5$5835d860$f24e7bd4@DiegoReggianti> -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Mothman617 A: leps-l at lists.yale.edu Data: marted? 13 luglio 1999 1.23 Oggetto: Re: butterfly landing on person myth?? >I have seen Red Spotted Purple (L. astayanax) and Banded Purple (L. arthemis) >land upon people, they are possibly attracted to bright colored clothing. Many >collectors in the tropics use brightly colored objects to attract males of >Morphos and some Nymphalidae. I have also seen butterflies land on people at >the beach. I found out that they have a fondness for suntan oil/lotion. I once >watched a very persistant Polygonia hovering about a young woman sunbathing. >And when she tried to shoo it away. It would fly around rapidly and then keep >repeating to land on her to drink whatever perspiration/ suntan oil mixture. I know it was not a butterfly and that its aim was pretty different, but last summer a big dragonfly just landed on my swimsuit to... lay eggs inside it... Ciao Ciao From acynor at fullerton.edu Mon Jul 12 20:38:36 1999 From: acynor at fullerton.edu (Anthony W. Cynor) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:38:36 -0700 Subject: Butterfly landing on people myth References: Message-ID: <378A8A8C.7F1A36FC@fullerton.edu> > > I have heard of the myth before, although I am not certain where its > origins are. I did find some interesting articles at www.insects.org, but > other than that I don't have much to say.. As far as I remember the tale, > when a buttefly lands on a person, it passes (or imparts) Shakti > (spirit-energy, in Hindu pantheon), which can lead to spiritual fruits of > enlightenment, auspicious gifts, etc.. If I find anything more I will > forward it on to you! > Christophers resonse Tony From hankb at theriver.com Mon Jul 12 21:06:43 1999 From: hankb at theriver.com (Hank & Priscilla Brodkin) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:06:43 -0700 Subject: Sonora Message-ID: <378A9123.8AEBD870@theriver.com> I got good news from Mexican Biologists for IMADES who are attending a MAPS bird banding course with me in Arizona. The rains are good in Sonora. The rivers are filling up and the countryside, especially in the Sierras is turning green again. -- Hank & Priscilla Brodkin Carr Canyon, Cochise County, AZ SouthEast Arizona Butterfly Association Send Mailto:hankb at theriver.com From joe at bio.umass.edu Mon Jul 12 21:24:19 1999 From: joe at bio.umass.edu (Joe Kunkel) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:24:19 -0400 Subject: Shrimp Moth? Message-ID: <378A9543.A43D5F6C@bio.umass.edu> I am looking for information on what I have heard termed as a "shrimp" moth, due to the shape of its body. I have only found information about sphinx moths, and hawk moths (evidently another term for sphinx moth). Can you suggest some sites re shrimp moths? Thank you for your time and help. Sincerely, Sarah Radkowsky martisia at worldnet.att.net -- -------------------- Joseph G. Kunkel, Professor Biology Department joe at bio.umass.edu University of Massachusetts http://www.bio.umass.edu/biology/kunkel Amherst MA 01003 From smccarr at ucs.ed.ac.uk Tue Jul 13 05:21:56 1999 From: smccarr at ucs.ed.ac.uk (smccarr at ucs.ed.ac.uk) Date: 13 Jul 1999 09:21:56 GMT Subject: looking for black netting Message-ID: <7mf0fk$oga$1@scotsman.ed.ac.uk> The ladies in my local fabric shop were rather nonplussed when I explained what I wanted it for. With hindsight, I probably should have explained that it was for butterflies. I've got a terrible feeling they envisaged some strange fetishistic structure in my bedroom ;-) I was looking for something cheaper than World-wide Butterflies or Watkins & Doncaster as I'm hoping to build quite a few on a limited budget. thanks Stewart McCarroll Law & Social Science Support Computing Services University Of Edinburgh From smccarr at ucs.ed.ac.uk Tue Jul 13 05:37:59 1999 From: smccarr at ucs.ed.ac.uk (smccarr at ucs.ed.ac.uk) Date: 13 Jul 1999 09:37:59 GMT Subject: black netting oops Message-ID: <7mf1dn$ojo$1@scotsman.ed.ac.uk> The previous message was missing the crucial first line, sorry Does anyone know of a UK source of cheap netting suitable for constructing breeding cages ? thanks Stewart McCarroll Law & Social Science Support Computing Services University of Edinburgh From M.Honey at nhm.ac.uk Tue Jul 13 07:49:32 1999 From: M.Honey at nhm.ac.uk (Martin Honey) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:49:32 +0000 Subject: re. black netting Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990713114932.0089e820@mailserver.nhm.ac.uk> Apologies for sending this to the whole group but my previous message was returned undeliverable: >You could try Marris House nets. > >54 Richmond Park Avenue >Queen's Park >Bournemouth >BH8 9DR > >Tel. 01202 515238 >Fax 01202 510303 > >The telephone code may need checking. They apparently use 28 gauge Terylene >(white & black). > >Hope this helps > >Martin *********************************************************** Martin R. Honey CBiol MIBiol, Lead Curator (Moths) Collections Management Division, Department of Entomology The Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road London, SW7 5BD, Great Britain EMAIL: M.Honey at nhm.ac.uk Museum web page All Museum telephone numbers changed on 5 July 1999, my new numbers will be: TELEPHONE: 020 7942 5604 International: 44 20 7942 5604 FAX: 020 7942 5229 International: 44 20 7942 5229 Until 22 April 2000, if dialling from within Central London, only dial the last seven digits *********************************************************** From MWalker at gensym.com Tue Jul 13 09:56:43 1999 From: MWalker at gensym.com (Mark Walker) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:56:43 -0400 Subject: butterfly landing on person myth?? Message-ID: <45F8A30CE009D2118F850000F805064D8FE4C2@hqmail.gensym.com> Don't know about the history, but I know that I find it personally very difficult to collect a butterfly that has landed on me. Hey, we all have our little quirks. Mark Walker. Best Resting in Frazier Park, CA -----Original Message----- From: Sheri Moreau [mailto:sheri at butterflywings.com] Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 11:39 AM To: leps-l at lists.yale.edu Cc: Darryl Creeden Subject: butterfly landing on person myth?? "Darryl Creeden" wrote me: I have a question regarding myth, legend and folklore of butterflies. I read somewhere but don't exactly remember an ancient myth about butterflies. Apparently there is an ancient myth (from the Orient I believe) about the significance of a butterfly landing on a person. It is apparently significant spiritually or something. Can you help me with this query? ----------------------------------------------------------- If anyone knows anything about this myth, could you please email Darryl directly? TIA! Sheri From sebrez at webtv.net Tue Jul 13 16:04:24 1999 From: sebrez at webtv.net (sebrez at webtv.net) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Regal Message-ID: <5734-378B9BC8-48@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> Has anyone spotted the Speyeria Idalia anywhere in New York? ken walton ny From sebrez at webtv.net Tue Jul 13 16:02:04 1999 From: sebrez at webtv.net (sebrez at webtv.net) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: mellisa References: <7mdpvi$grs$1@news.doit.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <5735-378B9B3C-34@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> What about them, I have seen a few here in ny earlier this summer. ken walton ny From ricardo at ans.com.au Tue Jul 13 19:27:38 1999 From: ricardo at ans.com.au (ricardo) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:27:38 +1000 Subject: RECIPES for entomologist Message-ID: <00c201becd87$bb4828a0$620184cb@ricardo> Dear colleagues, please be so kind and do not be upset for crossposting. I have just start section RECIPES at www.coleoptera.org in directory at bottom of the section < for collectors> Please be so kind and send to me any recipes of for relaxing specimens, microscopy, mounting of speciemns etc., glue recipes, how to get mould off the specimen, anything waht you feel that could be handy or interesting for entomologists. Thank you very much for your response Keep care and be of good cheer. Regards (name) Vratislav Richard Eugene Maria John Baptiste (surname) of Bejsak (Bayshark)-Collorado-Mansfeld http://www.coleoptera.org Coleoptera - Australia, Tenebrionidae of World (incl. Lagriinae, Alleculinae) University of Sydney The Wentworth Bldg., Box 62 NSW 2006 AUSTRALIA phone : +61 414 540 465 e-mail: vratislav at bigfoot.com ricardo at ans.com.au (before Ricardo at compuserve.com and ricardo at login.cz ) Only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you find that money can not be eaten.' CREE INDIAN PROPHECY. Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.37 / Virus Database: 30 - Release Date: 6.4.1999 From Jaysellie1 at aol.com Tue Jul 13 21:44:21 1999 From: Jaysellie1 at aol.com (Jaysellie1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:44:21 EDT Subject: Information Message-ID: REV LEPS-L jaysellie1 at aol.com From msabino at mediaone.net Tue Jul 13 22:47:05 1999 From: msabino at mediaone.net (Michael S.) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:47:05 -0500 Subject: Butterflies Message-ID: Anyone know some species of butterfly that can be found near Estes Park, Colorado (Colorado Rocky Mountains) From jkrogerSPAM_FILTER at earthlink.net Wed Jul 14 01:04:10 1999 From: jkrogerSPAM_FILTER at earthlink.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:04:10 -0500 Subject: Weird eggs around my house Message-ID: I have suddenly in the last day or so noticed these little football shaped, dark brown seed-like eggs, very?hard. They are glued to the wall, lampshade, etc. Near each is a smaller light brown, or light reddish brown, globe-like seed. The small one kind of looks like a sesame seed or a tomato seed. The larger hard dark brown one looks very much like a baby football. It seems obvious that some kind of bug has laid lots of eggs in my house all of a sudden, but this is wierd and I don't know what it could be. I am in the country in New Jersey and have LOTS of bugs around here, many of which get in the house. I'm most concerned this might be moth eggs which might eat my mom's and grandmother's quilts. Most anything else I can handle but would like to know about. Thanks in advance for any pointers, Jim From daniel.monica.glaeske at sk.sympatico.ca Wed Jul 14 00:59:44 1999 From: daniel.monica.glaeske at sk.sympatico.ca (Daniel & Monica Glaeske) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:59:44 -0600 Subject: Moths . . . Help in ID Message-ID: <378C1940.4701@sk.sympatico.ca> Fellow bugsters, I need some help identifying moths. Essentially all I have is Covell's field guide I live in southern Saskatchewan (St. Victor), near the Montana border. Mainly dry mixed grass prairie with badland tendencies and thick poplar-green ash-Manitoba maple forested areas on the northern slopes at higher elevations. Number one is a small sphinx moth, quite worn, caught at lights on 17 May 1999. It resembles Covell's Sphinx vashti but with a less well defined st. line. Wingspan is about 6.5 cm. No. 2 is a large sphinx moth, about 10-12 cm in diameter. I have one from August of last season, and two from last night (12 July 1999). They closely resemble Covell's description of the Catalpa sphinx, but we are miles away from any catalpas. TIA, Daniel From gganweiler at sprint.ca Wed Jul 14 01:18:23 1999 From: gganweiler at sprint.ca (Gary Anweiler) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:18:23 -0600 Subject: BUGS: Moths . . . Help in ID Message-ID: <199907140515.BAA14579@hme0.mailrouter02.sprint.ca> Hi Dan The small one probably IS vashti - there is really nothing else that is at all likely. They are somewhat variable. The other is likely Ceratomia undulosa - which has suddenly appeared in numbers here in central AB the past two seasons - one of the bugs of the year ! If you can scan and send an image to me I would be happy to confirm Gary Anweiler Edmonton AB ---------- > From: Daniel & Monica Glaeske > To: leps-l at lists.yale.edu > Cc: albertabugs > Subject: BUGS: Moths . . . Help in ID > Date: July 13, 1999 22:59 > > Fellow bugsters, > > I need some help identifying moths. > > Essentially all I have is Covell's field guide > > I live in southern Saskatchewan (St. Victor), near the Montana border. > Mainly dry mixed grass prairie with badland tendencies and thick > poplar-green ash-Manitoba maple forested areas on the northern slopes at > higher elevations. > > Number one is a small sphinx moth, quite worn, caught at lights on 17 > May 1999. It resembles Covell's Sphinx vashti but with a less well > defined st. line. Wingspan is about 6.5 cm. > > No. 2 is a large sphinx moth, about 10-12 cm in diameter. I have one > from August of last season, and two from last night (12 July 1999). > They closely resemble Covell's description of the Catalpa sphinx, but we > are miles away from any catalpas. > > TIA, > > Daniel From paulcher at concentric.net Tue Jul 13 18:52:54 1999 From: paulcher at concentric.net (Paul Cherubini) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:52:54 +0000 Subject: Weird eggs around my house References: Message-ID: <378BC346.1F23@concentric.net> > I'm most concerned this might be moth eggs which > might eat my mom's and grandmother's quilts. Clothes moths eggs are almost microscopic in size so the big eggs you saw are definately not from moths that could damage fabrics. Hope they aren't cockroach egg capsules! Paul Cherubini From viceroy at anu.ie Wed Jul 14 03:09:10 1999 From: viceroy at anu.ie (Anne Kilmer) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:09:10 +0100 Subject: Weird eggs around my house References: <378BC346.1F23@concentric.net> Message-ID: <378C3796.E0252450@anu.ie> > > Jim wrote: > > > I'm most concerned this might be moth eggs which > > might eat my mom's and grandmother's quilts. > > Clothes moths eggs are almost microscopic in size so the big eggs you saw are definately > not from moths that could damage fabrics. Hope they aren't cockroach egg capsules! > > Paul Cherubini Moths don't eat quilts unless they are either made of wool or quitled over wool batting ... both unlikely. Your visitors are not eggs; they are a larval case and pupa of something or other, maybe a fly ... if you check, you will see that the smaller shell is empty. I'd take a dustpan and brush or vacuum cleaner and remove them for aesthetic reasons. Empty the vac. bag, or they'll come right out when they mature. Anne Kilmer Mayo Ireland From jkrogerSPAM_FILTER at earthlink.net Wed Jul 14 05:49:32 1999 From: jkrogerSPAM_FILTER at earthlink.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 04:49:32 -0500 Subject: Weird eggs around my house References: , <378BC346.1F23@concentric.net> Message-ID: > > > I'm most concerned this might be moth eggs which > > might eat my mom's and grandmother's quilts. > > Clothes moths eggs are almost microscopic in size so the big eggs you saw are definately > not from moths that could damage fabrics. Hope they aren't cockroach egg capsules! > > Paul Cherubini Thanks, no, I'm familiar with cockroach capsules from my college dorm days. They have lots of compartments like a honeycomb. This is definately one criter per egg. Jim From dhobern at hursley.ibm.com Wed Jul 14 05:25:00 1999 From: dhobern at hursley.ibm.com (Donald Hobern) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:25:00 +0100 Subject: Flying with MV lamps Message-ID: <378C576C.BD510984@hursley.ibm.com> Can anyone tell me whether international airlines are likely to object to my taking MV bulbs in my luggage. Are they regarded as hazardous objects? Thanks, Donald Hobern dhobern at hursley.ibm.com From kendrick at hkusua.hku.hk Wed Jul 14 07:08:32 1999 From: kendrick at hkusua.hku.hk (Roger C. KENDRICK) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:08:32 +0800 Subject: Flying with MV lamps References: <378C576C.BD510984@hursley.ibm.com> Message-ID: <378C6FB0.2953550B@hkusua.hku.hk> Hi Donald, I've never had any problems (KLM, Air France, British Airways, Cathay Pacific, South African Airways) - but take them in the hand luggage as the luggage that goes in the hold gets thrown around a bit! I have been asked to open my suitcase on several occasions during check-in to confirm the choke isn't something more sinister! Be prepared to unscrew the casing. (some airports x-ray all hold luggage at check-in) Hope this helps, Roger. Donald Hobern wrote: > Can anyone tell me whether international airlines are likely to object > to my taking MV bulbs in my luggage. Are they regarded as hazardous > objects? > > Thanks, > > Donald Hobern > dhobern at hursley.ibm.com -- Roger C. KENDRICK Demonstrator / Ph.D. Student Dept. of Ecology & Biodiversity, The University of Hong Kong mailto:kendrick at hkusua.hku.hk Hong Kong Moths website coordinator http://web.hku.hk/~kendrick/hkmoth.htm HK Lepidopterists' Society (English version) http://members.xoom.com/hkls/ (may be redesignated to http://www.hkls.org) From mikayak at ix.netcom.com Wed Jul 14 07:06:56 1999 From: mikayak at ix.netcom.com (Mike Soukup) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:06:56 -0400 Subject: Flying with MV lamps References: <378C576C.BD510984@hursley.ibm.com> Message-ID: <378C6F50.6533855@ix.netcom.com> I do it all the time. I always put them in my carry-on luggage. Never even thought to ask. I usually go with the "don't ask, don't tell" policy!! Donald Hobern wrote: > Can anyone tell me whether international airlines are likely to object > to my taking MV bulbs in my luggage. Are they regarded as hazardous > objects? > > Thanks, > > Donald Hobern > dhobern at hursley.ibm.com From apktorry at csm.ex.ac.uk Wed Jul 14 07:34:16 1999 From: apktorry at csm.ex.ac.uk (A.P.K.Torry) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:34:16 +0100 Subject: Re Happy99.exe is the MELISSA virus! Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990714123416.0092acf0@csm.ex.ac.uk> EVERYONE - DO NOT DETACH AND/OR RUN HAPPY99.EXE Andrew From spruance at infinet.com Wed Jul 14 07:24:11 1999 From: spruance at infinet.com (Eric or Pat Metzler) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:24:11 -0400 Subject: Flying with MV lamps References: <199907141111.GAA21343@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <378C735B.5516@infinet.com> > > Name: Happy99.exe > Part 1.1 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode Mike, Unfortunately your computer is infected with the Happy99 virus. You'll want to take steps to get rid of it immediately. Eric From MYTZ14A at prodigy.com Wed Jul 14 08:20:46 1999 From: MYTZ14A at prodigy.com (Sunsol Daniels) Date: 14 Jul 1999 12:20:46 GMT Subject: Weird eggs around my house References: Message-ID: <7mhvau$20i6$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> > >I have suddenly in the last day or so noticed these little football shaped, >dark brown seed-like eggs, very?hard. They are glued to the wall, lampshade, >etc. Near each is a smaller light brown, or light reddish brown, globe- like >seed. The small one kind of looks like a sesame seed or a tomato seed. The >larger hard dark brown one looks very much like a baby football. It seems >obvious that some kind of bug has laid lots of eggs in my house all of >a sudden, but this is wierd and I don't know what it could be. I am in >the country in New Jersey and have LOTS of bugs around here, many of >which get in the house. I'm most concerned this might be moth eggs which >might eat my mom's and grandmother's quilts. Most anything else I can >handle but would like to know about. > >Thanks in advance for any pointers, >Jim Put them in a jar and see what comes out. Sally From rboutin at sympatico.ca Wed Jul 14 11:47:51 1999 From: rboutin at sympatico.ca (RENE BOUTIN) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:47:51 -0400 Subject: variegated fritillary in qc. References: <000501becc6a$d9fd2c00$1a12a8c2@default> Message-ID: <378CB127.8A6F6972@sympatico.ca> > I caught a variegated fritillary on the 12 of july in my yard,I > already had a screen tent over my pansies(viola)and the creature is > laying eggs I will keepb you posted. Qu`en pense-tu Yan est-ce une occurance rare -- Venez voir mon site ... Rene Boutin 33 St-Georges Chambly, Qc J3L 3J8 Tel : (514)658-5252 http://www3.sympatico.ca/rboutin/imago/accueil.htm From drdn at mail.utexas.edu Wed Jul 14 03:32:45 1999 From: drdn at mail.utexas.edu (Chris J. Durden) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 02:32:45 -0500 Subject: Austin July Count Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990714023245.007f26f0@mail.utexas.edu> > > >SEVENTEENTH AUSTIN URBAN JULY BUTTERFLY CENSUS >Austin, TX 30*19'N 97*46'W, center at Mt. Bonnell (230m elev.) 12k radius >10 July 1999, 10:00-19.04h >31.5mi (odometer), 2 observers, 8:21 foot party hours >Sites: >14 - Top of Mount Bonnell >45 - North Dry Creek - Lucas Tract/Brightleaf Reserve >44 - Northwest Hills, Stillhouse Hollow - Barrow Wild Park >8 - Bull Creek, lower Stillhouse Hollow >2a - Bull Creek - Saint Edwards Park >37 - Barton Creek, Loop 360 to Airmans' Cave >16 - Barton Creek, Loop 360 to Twin Falls >29 - Barton Creek, from Barton Skyway to Campbell's Hole to Barton Springs >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >*Epargyreus clarus* >- SILVER FLASH 6 : (45,4) (37,1) (29,1) >*Thorybes pylades* >- NORTHERN CLOUDYWING 4 : (29,4) >*Thorybes confusis* >- EASTERN CLOUDYWING 1 : (45,1) >*Erynnis horatius* >- BROWN DUSKYWING 14 : (2a,5) (37,2) (16,1) (29,6) >*Syrichtus philetas* >- DESERT CHECKERED SKIPPER 2 : (2a,2) >*Copaeodes aurantiaca waco* >- ORANGE SKIPPERLING 9 : (45,1) (44,3) (8,4) (29,1) >*Hylephila phyleus* >- FIERY SKIPPER 2 : (29,2) >*Euphyes vestris kiowah* >- DUN SKIPPER 11 : (44,2) (8,2) (2a,6) (16,1) >*Lerodea eufala* >- EUFALA SKIPPER 2 : (29,2) >*Amblyscirtes fluonia* >- STREAMSIDE SKIPPER 1 : (16,1) >*Panoquina hecebolus* >- HECEBOLUS LONGWING SKIPPER 1 : (45,1) >*Panoquina ocola* >- OCOLA LONGWING SKIPPER 1 : (2a,1) >*Lerema accius pattenii* >- CLOUDED SKIPPER 5 : (2a,4) (16,1) >*Calephelis rawsoni* >- RAWSON'S METALMARK 5 : (8,2) (16,3) >*Atlides halesus estesi* >- GREAT BLUE HAIRSTREAK 1 : (37,1) >*Strymon melinus franki* >- PLAINS GRAY HAIRSTREAK 1 : (45,1) >*Calycopis isobeon* >- POISON IVY HAIRSTREAK 4 : (2a,4) >*Mitoura grynea grynea* >- OLIVE HAIRSTREAK 1 : (2a,1) >*Mitoura siva* subsp. >- MOUNTAIN CEDAR HAIRSTREAK 5 : (44,1) (2a,4) >*Echinargus isola alce* >- MESQUITE BLUE 1 : (29,1) >*Pterourus troilus* >- SPICEBUSH SWALLOWTAIL 14 : (2a,14) >*Pterourus glaucus* >- EASTERN TIGER SWALLOWTAIL 10 : (2a,8) (37,2) >*Pterourus multicaudatus* >- TWO-TAILED TIGER SWALLOWTAIL 10 : (44,2) (8,1) (2a,7) >*Heraclides cresphontes* >- GIANT SWALLOWTAIL 32 : (45,7) (44,3) (2a,18) (37,2) (16,2) >*Heraclides thoas autocles* >- THOAS SWALLOWTAIL 1 : (45,1) >*Papilio polycxenes curvifascia* >- PLAINS BLACK SWALLOWTAIL 1 : (37,1) >*Danaus gilippus strigosus* >- DESERT QUEEN 3 : (2a,1) (29,2) >*Neonympha sosybius* >- CAROLINA RINGLET 1 : (2a,1) >*Asterocampa antonia* >- EMPRESS ANTONIA 8 : (44,1) (2a,1) (37,3) (16,3) >*Asterocampa clyton texana* >- TEXAS TAWNY EMPRESS 5 : (14,1) (44,1) (2a,2) (37,1) >*Precis genoveva coenia* >- COMMON BUCKEYE 18 : (45,6) (8,1) (44,4) (2a,2) (29,5) >*Charidryas nycteis drusius* >- SILVER CRESCENT 23 : (44,5) (8,2) (2a,2) (37,8) (16,6) >*Thessalia theona bolli* >- BOLL'S CHECKERSPOT 3 : (14,3) >*Phyciodes phaon* >- PHAON CRESCENT 1 : (45,1) >*Phyciodes tharos* >- SOUTHERN PEARL CRESCENT 1 : (2a,1) >*Anthanassa texana* >- TEXAS CRESCENT 19 : (45,4) (44,2) (8,5) (2a,5) (37,1) (29,2) >*Polygonia interrogationis* >- QUESTION MARK 11 : (45,1) (44,4) (8,1) (16,2) (29,3) >*Euptoieta claudia* >- VARIEGATED FRITILLARY 2 : (44,1) (2a,1) >*Agraulis vanillae incarnata* >- WESTERN GULF FRITILLARY 7 : (45,1) (44,2) (8,1) (2a,2) (29,1) >*Basilarchia astyanax* >- RED-SPOTTED ADMIRAL 5 : (45,1) (2a,4) >*Nathalis iole* >- DAINTY SULPHUR 2 : (44,2) >*Eurema lisa* >- LITTLE SULPHUR 6 : (45,1) (44,3) (8,1) (2a,1) >*Eurema nise nelphe* >- JAMAICAN SULPHUR 1 : (44,1) >*Eurema nicippe* >- SLEEPY ORANGE 2 : (44,1) (2a,1) >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >262 individuals of 43 species seen >................Chris Durden, Austin, Texas > > > > > > > > > From bmw60 at aol.com Wed Jul 14 16:41:12 1999 From: bmw60 at aol.com (BMW60) Date: 14 Jul 1999 20:41:12 GMT Subject: Southern Arizona Mothing Message-ID: <19990714164112.17424.00000160@ng-ck1.aol.com> 13 July 99, We did the Box Canyon thing in the Santa Rita Mountains last night. Thunderstorms loomed in the distance all night, but we only received light sprinkles continuously. It early in the season but someone forgot to tell the Sphinx Moths. We noted the following, most in large numbers; Qiunquemaculata Sexta Floristan Muscosa Occidentalis Achemon solicetti falco Lineatta Dolii Rustica The Saturnids made a showing too, but in not so great numbers. Citheronea splendons Sphingicampa hubardii Antherea oculea Automeris pamina oslari-Cant remember the genus though its the Arizona Imperial We did manage to take Sphingicampa raspa at Copper Canyon 3 days earlier. All in all, a little slow for monsoon collecting but it is still a little early. Next stop, Automeris randa, I hope. Any question to Bill at BMW60 From gwang at mb.sympatico.ca Wed Jul 14 18:29:18 1999 From: gwang at mb.sympatico.ca (gwang) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:29:18 -0400 Subject: Larva ID Message-ID: <378D0F3E.72D9@mb.sympatico.ca> Hi, I just caught a caterpillar and am having little luck in identifying it. It is about 4cm long with a black lengthwise stripe down the centre. On each side of this, there is a yellow stripe about 3/4 the width of the black stripe. The is then followed by an area on each side of a zebra like pattern of black and white. Then comes another yellow stripe reaching almost to the feet and prolegs. The rest of the caterpillar is white with interdispersed black dots. The head and feet are orange. The plant it was found on had not yet been identified, but I suspect is's a member of the mustard family. Anyone out there have any ideas as to what this might be??? Thanks in advance, Xi Wang From mothman at vossnet.co.uk Thu Jul 15 05:12:31 1999 From: mothman at vossnet.co.uk (Martin Hough) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:12:31 +0100 Subject: Flying with MV lamps References: <378C576C.BD510984@hursley.ibm.com>, <378C6F50.6533855@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <378DA5FF.50E6BAFE@vossnet.co.uk> Never had a problem with bulbs- but a big heavy choke with wires coming out of it caused alarm in Thailand _ (they insisted I plugged it in and demonstrated before I was allowed on board) One tip- it's a good idea to bring a manufacturer's catalogue with a picture of a moth trap- saves a lot of explanation in funny languages!. Mike Soukup wrote: > I do it all the time. I always put them in my carry-on luggage. Never > even thought to ask. > > I usually go with the "don't ask, don't tell" policy!! > > Donald Hobern wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me whether international airlines are likely to object > > to my taking MV bulbs in my luggage. Are they regarded as hazardous > > objects? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Donald Hobern > > dhobern at hursley.ibm.com From dhobern at hursley.ibm.com Thu Jul 15 06:15:59 1999 From: dhobern at hursley.ibm.com (Donald Hobern) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:15:59 +0100 Subject: Identification of Minnesota noctuid Message-ID: <378DB4DF.9CA345DF@hursley.ibm.com> Last year, while in Rochester, Minnesota in June, I caught a noctuid that I could not identify from Covell's guide and the Moth Book. I made a detailed coloured drawing and have finally got around to scanning the picture in. The moth appears to be a Plusiine. Would anyone care to take a look at the picture and let me know if it looks recognisable? The image is a 69k jpg. Thanks, Donald Hobern (dhobern at hursley.ibm.com) From khillier at morgan.ucs.mun.ca Thu Jul 15 07:50:00 1999 From: khillier at morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kirk Hillier) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:20:00 -0230 Subject: Tortricidae keys Message-ID: particularily North American Species? Kirk Hillier hillierk at em.agr.ca From khillier at morgan.ucs.mun.ca Thu Jul 15 07:47:56 1999 From: khillier at morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kirk Hillier) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:17:56 -0230 Subject: Tortricidae Message-ID: subargentana Obraztsov). Its larvae were found and reared on strawberry foliage. If anyone can be of assistance, please email me at hillierk at em.agr.ca . From Danfosha at aol.com Thu Jul 15 11:08:57 1999 From: Danfosha at aol.com (Danfosha at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:08:57 EDT Subject: More Covell Guides Message-ID: <57b0b417.24bf5389@aol.com> Hi everyone, I found four Covell guides in a bookstore in Colorado Springs. They had been sitting on the shelf in a corner for three years! $20 each plus shipping ($3.20 Priority Mail). First come, first served. Dan Fosha From fdki_ at post2.tele.dk Thu Jul 15 15:55:35 1999 From: fdki_ at post2.tele.dk (P. Stadel Nielsen) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:55:35 GMT Subject: Flying with MV lamps References: <378C576C.BD510984@hursley.ibm.com> Message-ID: <7mleem$i5u$1@news.inet.tele.dk> >Can anyone tell me whether international airlines are likely to object >to my taking MV bulbs in my luggage. Are they regarded as hazardous >objects? Metallic mercury is as such hazardous goods by airtransport and actually stricly forbidden unless declared as hazardous goods! As you may know, Mercury dissolves many metals especially the metals planes are made of! However "packed" in a mercury bulb lamp, there is usually no problem. Two years ago I carried a bag filled with abt. 30 MV lamps in Europe and it was no problem. Just carry them as handluggage as recommended by others people here. They look funny in x-ray! Regards Per Stadel Nielsen Entomologist and consultant in hazardous goods transportation. Denmark http://home2.inet.tele.dk/fdki "All butterflies must have happy homes" (L.G. Higgins) ------------------------------- Per Stadel Nielsen Skovskellet 35 A DK - 2840 Holte Denmark http://home2.inet.tele.dk/fdki "All butterflies must have happy homes" (L.G. Higgins) ------------------------------- From paulevi at webaccess.net Thu Jul 15 16:00:48 1999 From: paulevi at webaccess.net (Paul A. Opler) Date: 15 Jul 1999 14:00:48 -0600 Subject: Lepidopterists' Society Field Trips at Sierra Vista Message-ID: <00eb64700200f79TABOR2@webaccess.net> If you are signed up for field trips for the Sierra Vista meeting below the meeting information: If you signed up and paid for a bag lunch with your registration it will be available at the time of the field trip in the morning before departure. Car-pooling will be necessary, and all participants must have signed the liability release. For persons who ride in someone else's vehicle, it is common courtesy to offer to reimburse the driver for a portion of the gas and other expenses. If you will be attending the meeting and haven't signed up yet, you may still go on a field trip, but you will need to sign the liability release form and you will have to provide your own lunch. August 4th-- Field trip for collectors, Leader-Richard Bailowitz Meet at southwest front of Windermere at 8:30 a.m. Destination to be decided on basis of local conditions at time of meeting. Field trip for observors and photographers, Leader Jim Brock Meet at northwest front of Windermere at 8:30 a.m. Destination to be decided on basis of local conditions at time of meeting. August 5th-- Field trip for collectors, Leader-Richard Bailowitz Meet at southwest front of Windermere at 8:30 a.m. Destination to be decided on basis of local conditions at time of meeting. Field trip for observors and photographers, Leader Jim Brock Meet at northwest front of Windermere at 8:30 a.m. Destination to be decided on basis of local conditions at time of meeting. Field trip for moth collectors, Leaders Tom Mooney and Howard Byrne Meet in front of Windermere at 7:15 p.m. Destination to be decided on basis of local conditions at time of meeting. No sign-up required. Our thanks go to Jim Tuttle, Society Past-president for making arrangements and the field trip leaders for donation of their time and expertise. Post-meeting field trip, sign-up complete. Contact Paul Opler for questions. Paul Opler, local arrangements chair paulevi at webaccess.net From Boydtd at aol.com Thu Jul 15 18:08:20 1999 From: Boydtd at aol.com (Boydtd at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:08:20 EDT Subject: New moths (to me anyway) Message-ID: The Privet Hawk-moth is one of the largest moths seen in Britain, but the Death's Head Hawk-moth is even larger. However, the Privet Hawk is truly native while the Death's Head is an immigrant. Trevor Boyd (Butterfly Conservation, Northern Ireland) From cdub at -REMOVE_THIS-erols.com Thu Jul 15 01:34:48 1999 From: cdub at -REMOVE_THIS-erols.com (Rev Chuck) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:34:48 -0700 Subject: giant swallowtail returns References: <199907070455.VAA05993@gemini.adnc.com>, <37828249.7210@concentric.net>, <01bec8a9$363abd40$2be11ac3@e5q5n1> Message-ID: <378D72F8.4118@-REMOVE_THIS-erols.com> > > > Chris Conlan wrote: > > > > > Another thing worth noting is that I think we give the butterflies too > much > > > credit in botany class! They are good but I have seen them lay on the > wrong > > > (and unacceptable) host many times. > > OK they are simple creatures, but not daft! sometimes when feeding on sugar > water they will lay an ova too. The buddelia reaction may be simply that it > is so attractive to butterflies they are almost intoxicated! It causes the > same unatural reaction. What your seeing is the odd egg wasted, she'll make > very few mistakes overall and I'll still maintain they are the best > botanists! They do seem unusally oblivious to danger. I've been able to approach them with a camera _very_ closely when they've alighted on buddelia. Was almost able to grab one with my bare fingers this afternoon. What do the tiger eggs look like, BTW? >-- Nothing says you're insane like prayer. Rev Chuck, Alt.Atheism #203, Ordained Reverend, ULC, 17 March, 1997. Remove -REMOVE_THIS- from address to respond. From cdub at -REMOVE_THIS-erols.com Thu Jul 15 01:42:19 1999 From: cdub at -REMOVE_THIS-erols.com (Rev Chuck) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:42:19 -0700 Subject: Danaus gilippus in Massachusetts References: <19990708201445.28018.00000912@ng-da1.aol.com>, <990709185831.ZM3622@Gochfeld>, <3786D3A0.AE73DC71@anu.ie> Message-ID: <378D74BB.4FF0@-REMOVE_THIS-erols.com> > > It could be an escape from a butterfly house or a traveling exhibit. It > could be a release from somebody's trip to Florida. > > In any case, it's not going to establish a population in Massachusetts, > even assuming it finds a mate, unless you have arranged some major > changes in the climate. :-) > Anne Kilmer > Mayo > Ireland You'd notice any such changes we're responsible for, since Ireland lies downstream from eastern North America. I wonder if global warming isn't dispersing southern species? -- Nothing says you're insane like prayer. Rev Chuck, Alt.Atheism #203, Ordained Reverend, ULC, 17 March, 1997. Remove -REMOVE_THIS- from address to respond. From viceroy at anu.ie Fri Jul 16 01:36:34 1999 From: viceroy at anu.ie (Anne Kilmer) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:36:34 +0100 Subject: New moths (to me anyway) References: Message-ID: <378EC4E2.5DDEB1A@anu.ie> Isn't it a migrant? And unable to mature successfully in this refrigerator ... as is true of so many butterflies? Cheers Anne Kilmer Boydtd at aol.com wrote: > > The Privet Hawk-moth is one of the largest moths seen in Britain, but the > Death's Head Hawk-moth is even larger. However, the Privet Hawk is truly > native while the Death's Head is an immigrant. > > Trevor Boyd (Butterfly Conservation, Northern Ireland) From riley at prairienet.org Fri Jul 16 08:04:30 1999 From: riley at prairienet.org (Riley Foster) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:04:30 GMT Subject: butterfly landing on person myth?? References: <45F8A30CE009D2118F850000F805064D8FE4C2@hqmail.gensym.com> Message-ID: School) told me the the legend that if a butterfly lands on you, you get a wish. The fact that Oakland has a butterfly garden (for about 11 - 12 years) may have started the myth. Still I like it & spread the myth around when I do butterfly gardening talks. From triocomp at dial.pipex.com Fri Jul 16 08:29:45 1999 From: triocomp at dial.pipex.com (Chris Raper) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:29:45 GMT Subject: New moths (to me anyway) References: , <378EC4E2.5DDEB1A@anu.ie> Message-ID: <379024d6.14752450@wingate> >Isn't it a migrant? Yes. I think there is evidence that they can breed here - larvae are often found on potato patches. But it seems unable to survive our winters. I think the problem is often that the weather here is not too cold in winter (Europe is much colder) but that it is too wet - at most times of the year. Also, it is probably not warm enough during the larval development period for them to mature fast enough to beat the frosts in autumn.. Best wishes, Chris R. From UWOgrrl at aol.com Fri Jul 16 13:44:50 1999 From: UWOgrrl at aol.com (UWOgrrl at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:44:50 EDT Subject: Weird eggs around my house Message-ID: <43b5532f.24c0c992@aol.com> Jim, Have you been keeping a lot of fresh fruit around your house lately? By the sounds of it, I would say you definetly have a houseful of 'drosophila' pupa...in other words, 'fruitflies'. Get rid of them now, before they're all over your house! Melanie From habitatdesigns at hotmail.com Fri Jul 16 16:32:52 1999 From: habitatdesigns at hotmail.com (Paulette Haywood) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:32:52 PDT Subject: Lippia needed Message-ID: <19990716203257.58298.qmail@hotmail.com> I am getting ready to raise Phaon crescents and need to get some Lippia nodiflora. The source I had literally "dried up" and I can't find another. If anyone can send me some, I will be glad to buy it, reimburse shipping costs, etc. Please reply to: habitatdesigns at hotmail.com. Thanks! Paulette Haywood Birmingham, AL _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From paulevi at webaccess.net Fri Jul 16 22:22:05 1999 From: paulevi at webaccess.net (Paul A. Opler) Date: 16 Jul 1999 20:22:05 -0600 Subject: Lepidopterists' Society Field Trips at Sierra Vista Message-ID: <026020422021179TABOR2@webaccess.net> time of mothing trip] > > >Dear Field Trip Registrants: >Subject: Lepidopterists' Society Field Trips at Sierra Vista {Change for mothing trip} > >Dear Field Trip Registrants: NOTE!!!!! The meeting time for the moth collecting/observing trip is changed to 6:00 p.m. instead of 7:15 p.m. Participants will miss most of that evening's reception, but there is no other good time for the trip. >If you are signed up for field trips for the Sierra Vista meeting below is the meeting information: > >If you signed up and paid for a bag lunch with your registration it will be available at the time of the field trip in the morning before departure. Car-pooling will be necessary, and all participants must have signed the liability release. > >For persons who ride in someone else's vehicle, it is common courtesy to offer to reimburse the driver for a portion of the gas and other expenses. > >If you will be attending the meeting and haven't signed up yet, you may still go on a field trip, but you will need to sign the liability release form and you will have to provide your own lunch. > >August 4th-- >Field trip for collectors, Leader-Richard Bailowitz > Meet at southwest front of Windermere at 8:30 a.m. Destination to be decided on basis of local conditions at time of meeting. > >Field trip for observors and photographers, Leader Jim Brock > Meet at northwest front of Windermere at 8:30 a.m. Destination to be decided on basis of local conditions at time of meeting. > >August 5th-- >Field trip for collectors, Leader-Richard Bailowitz > Meet at southwest front of Windermere at 8:30 a.m. Destination to be decided on basis of local conditions at time of meeting. > >Field trip for observors and photographers, Leader Jim Brock > Meet at northwest front of Windermere at 8:30 a.m. Destination to be decided on basis of local conditions at time of meeting. > >Field trip for moth collectors, Leaders Tom Mooney and Howard Byrne > Meet in front of Windermere at 6:00 p.m. Destination to be decided on basis of local conditions at time of meeting. No sign-up required. > >Our thanks go to Jim Tuttle, Society Past-president for making arrangements and the field trip leaders for donation of their time and expertise. > >Post-meeting field trip, sign-up complete. Contact Paul Opler for questions. > >Paul Opler, local arrangements chair >paulevi at webaccess.net > From pollinator at aol.comnospam Sat Jul 17 09:06:54 1999 From: pollinator at aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Date: 17 Jul 1999 13:06:54 GMT Subject: butterfly landing on person myth?? References: Message-ID: <19990717090654.19040.00000779@ngol02.aol.com> In article , dyanega at pop.ucr.edu (Doug Yanega) writes: >Apparently there is an ancient myth (from the Orient I believe) about the >significance of a butterfly landing on a person. It is apparently >significant spiritually or something. > >Not sure about the myth, though I do recall something in the Tarot (the >card "The Fool" sometimes depicts a butterfly landing on him, indicating >spiritual metamorphosis) - but in *reality*, a number of Apaturid species >here (hackberry butterfly, tawny emperor) and elsewhere commonly land on >people to drink perspiration. They can be rather persistent, in fact. So, >at least the phenomenon does occur in nature commonly enough that the myth >has a basis in fact. Honeybees will sometimes land on you when you are sweaty. This has lead to a discussion of possible mineral deficiencies in the bees' diet. Carpenter bee drones will hover "in your face;" in fact, they will sometimes mimic your moves, so you can dance with them. In the Carribean, when they do this, they are "bringing you a message." Pollinator at aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From rcjohnsen at aol.com Sat Jul 17 14:32:51 1999 From: rcjohnsen at aol.com (Rcjohnsen) Date: 17 Jul 1999 18:32:51 GMT Subject: Shrimp Moth? References: <378A9543.A43D5F6C@bio.umass.edu> Message-ID: <19990717143251.14654.00001816@ng-bh1.aol.com> I am looking for information on what I have heard termed as a "shrimp" moth, due to the shape of its body. I have only found information about sphinx moths, and hawk moths (evidently another term for sphinx moth). Can you suggest some sites re shrimp moths? Thank you for your time and help. Sincerely, Sarah Radkowsky martisia at worldnet.att.net >> I looked for shrimp moths and probabply repeated much of the searching you did. I found a page that identifies many moths by thumnail photos and the site also has a help feature. The thumbnail photos are titled by scientific names only so I suppose you'd have to know that about the shrimp moth. They may be able to help you. Roger From rcjohnsen at aol.com Sat Jul 17 14:37:51 1999 From: rcjohnsen at aol.com (Rcjohnsen) Date: 17 Jul 1999 18:37:51 GMT Subject: Moths . . . Help in ID References: <378C1940.4701@sk.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <19990717143751.14654.00001820@ng-bh1.aol.com> Fellow bugsters, I need some help identifying moths. Essentially all I have is Covell's field guide I live in southern Saskatchewan (St. Victor), near the Montana border. Mainly dry mixed grass prairie with badland tendencies and thick poplar-green ash-Manitoba maple forested areas on the northern slopes at higher elevations. Number one is a small sphinx moth, quite worn, caught at lights on 17 May 1999. It resembles Covell's Sphinx vashti but with a less well defined st. line. Wingspan is about 6.5 cm. No. 2 is a large sphinx moth, about 10-12 cm in diameter. I have one from August of last season, and two from last night (12 July 1999). They closely resemble Covell's description of the Catalpa sphinx, but we are miles away from any catalpas. TIA, Daniel >> I found a page that identifies many moths by thumnail photos and the site also has a help feature. The thumbnail photos are titled by scientific names only so I suppose you'd have to know that about the moth. They may be able to help you. Roger From xxbob at erols.com Sat Jul 17 22:13:18 1999 From: xxbob at erols.com (bob wilson) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 22:13:18 -0400 Subject: Citheronia regalis eggs Message-ID: <7mrdaf$l48$1@autumn.news.rcn.net> Does anyone have C. regalis ova to spare? From Boydtd at aol.com Sun Jul 18 06:16:39 1999 From: Boydtd at aol.com (Boydtd at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 06:16:39 EDT Subject: New moths (to me anyway) Message-ID: The Death's-head Hawk-moth is indeed a migrant which lays its eggs on potatoes here. What did they do before Sir Walter Raleigh (or whoever) brought potatoes and tomatos etc from the New World? Trouble is, as has been pointed out, the summers are not really warm enough to incubate the pupae, and it is generally too damp, so few individuals ever make it to maturity. There is another interesting suggestion: we used to dig potatoes by hand, now they are harvested by machines, and few pupae could survive the milling that the machines do. That really makes this moth very rare in the British Isles, more so than formerly. Trevor Boyd (Butterfly Conservation, Northern Ireland) From thx1138 at apex.net Sun Jul 18 12:54:37 1999 From: thx1138 at apex.net (C.G. Anderson) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 11:54:37 -0500 Subject: Thoas Swallowtail in KY? Message-ID: <379206CD.8EE7BA49@apex.net> I just saw what was clearly a Thoas Swallowtail on my butterfly bush. I had never before witnessed a butterfly such as this. I did a search on the Net for a picture, and it was a perfect match for the Thoas. I quickly learned, however, this butterfly (according to the USGS site) should be nowehere near my home in Western Kentucky. Is this true, and is this an unusual visitor to these parts? Any information on this butterlfy would be greatly appreciated. -- Chris Anderson Eddyville, KY Darklight Imagery web page: http://www.darklightimagery.net mailto:thx1138 at apex.net From Trevor.Smart at tesco.net Sun Jul 18 13:07:06 1999 From: Trevor.Smart at tesco.net (Tringa) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 18:07:06 +0100 Subject: Congo's Upemba National Park shall not die Message-ID: <7mt2d9$5mr$2@barcode.tesco.net> The one million hectare Upemba National Park in the democratic Republic of Congo is in imminent danger of being destroyed+--ACE- We can all help save this important site, visit http://home.sol.no/+--AH4-stingray/Upemba.htm to find out about this site and how we can help. Trevor Smart Worcestershire Treat the Earth well: remember it was not given to us by our parents..... but was lent to us by our children. From Stelenes at aol.com Sun Jul 18 14:22:37 1999 From: Stelenes at aol.com (Stelenes at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:22:37 EDT Subject: Thoas Swallowtail in KY? Message-ID: Chris, Barring an unusual event it was probably a Giant Swallowtail (P. cresphontes) whose range does bring it into your area. The yellow bands (squareness and number of dashes) on the FW are what I use to distinguish these species by sight where ranges do overlap. Also I suspect that the tails and amount of yellow in them are narrower for thoas though I don't recall reading that as a meaningful difference. Personally it has taken seeing lots and lots of each species to classify them confidently. Are you sure it wasn't a cresphontes? You did mention it was the first time you saw anything like it. Doug Dawn Woodland CA Monterrey MX From alan5319 at aol.com Sun Jul 18 14:19:17 1999 From: alan5319 at aol.com (Alan5319) Date: 18 Jul 1999 18:19:17 GMT Subject: New moths (to me anyway) References: Message-ID: <19990718141917.08695.00000973@ngol03.aol.com> Although it is accepted that A. atropos, Death's-head Hawk Moth, cannot survive the winter in UK. there is an interesting comment in Dunn & Parrack, Moths and Butterflies of Northumberland and Durham (1986 Northern Naturalists' Union). Quote :- "An interesting observation by R. Craigs et al. was of a fine specimen found on Holy Island on 22 May 1935 that emitted pink ejecta after being boxed, suggesting very recent emergence, ..." It would be interesting to view any data on the weather for Northern England during the winter of 1934/35. Alan & Jeri Coates Recorders VC 66 County Durham Archivists BENHS. From MatSmith1 at compuserve.com Sun Jul 18 17:52:29 1999 From: MatSmith1 at compuserve.com (Matthew Smith) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:52:29 -0400 Subject: New moths (to me anyway) Message-ID: <199907181752_MC2-7D70-71CB@compuserve.com> >The Death's-head Hawk-moth is indeed a migrant which lays its eggs on potatoes here. What did they do before Sir Walter Raleigh (or whoever) brought potatoes and tomatos etc from the New World? Trouble is, as has been pointed out, the summers are not really warm enough to incubate the pupae, and it is generally too damp, so few individuals ever make it to maturity. There is another interesting suggestion: we used to dig potatoes by hand, now they are harvested by machines, and few pupae could survive the milling that the machines do. That really makes this moth very rare in the British Isles, more so than formerly.< Regarding potato harvesting, an interesting quote from R.L.E. Ford in the 'Observer's Book of Larger British Moths.', 1952: "The moth flies some way after laying each egg and a number of larvae are hard to pbtain from one place. The easiest way for a collector to obtain this species is to follow the potato-lifting machines and search for the pupae before the rooks find them". Personally I have only ever found one Deathshead Hawk in the UK. I was told by a collegue at work one day that she had seen a huge moth sitting on the side of the Town Hall in Wokingham in Berkshire. I knew she had lived in Indonesia for a few years so I was confident that when she said 'huge moth' she meant 'huge moth'. Later that afternoon I managed to get out of the office and into town, expecting to see something like a Convolvulus Hawk (Agrius convolvuli). When I arrived, it was obvious from across the road it was a Deathshead, very fresh and resting on a wall about 3 ft up. The pavement was very busy but no one seemed to notice the moth. The next day I took one of my books into work and showed my collegue pictures of the moth and the caterpillar. She said her children had recently brought home a larva, but she had told them to take it away!!!. Regards Matt From Kristina_Williams at pacsci.org Sun Jul 18 18:45:00 1999 From: Kristina_Williams at pacsci.org (Kristina Williams) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:45:00 -0700 Subject: Thoas Swallowtail in KY? Message-ID: <89DDFD1FDEB0D211839D006094B9CFE30550A6@EXCHANGE> I agree that it was most likely a cresphontes, based on the location. The two can only be reliably told apart by the genitalia - easily in the male and with more difficulty in the female - or by witnessing oviposition choice by the female. See DeVries' Butterflies of Costa Rica for more information. A beauty in either case. Cheers, Kristina Kristina R. Williams Entomologist Pacific Science Center 200 2nd Ave. N. Seattle, WA 98109 kristina_williams at pacsci.org > ---------- > From: C.G. Anderson > Reply To: thx1138 at apex.net > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 1999 9:54 AM > To: leps-l at lists.yale.edu > Subject: Thoas Swallowtail in KY? > > I just saw what was clearly a Thoas Swallowtail on my butterfly bush. I > had never before witnessed a butterfly such as this. I did a search on > the Net for a picture, and it was a perfect match for the Thoas. I > quickly learned, however, this butterfly (according to the USGS site) > should be nowehere near my home in Western Kentucky. Is this true, and > is this an unusual visitor to these parts? Any information on this > butterlfy would be greatly appreciated. > -- > Chris Anderson > Eddyville, KY > > Darklight Imagery web page: > http://www.darklightimagery.net > > mailto:thx1138 at apex.net > From hj.bertin at worldnet.fr Sun Jul 18 19:12:59 1999 From: hj.bertin at worldnet.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Henri=2DJ=E9r=F4me?= Bertin) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 01:12:59 +0200 Subject: Cacyreus marschalli Message-ID: <37925F7B.8026D37B@worldnet.fr> I am looking for accurate information about C. marschalli (distribution, variation, flight period, habitat, life-history, behaviour, genitalia) and its recent extention to Spain, Belgium and France. Thank you so much for any precise answer. J?r?me From MasterChem at aol.com Sun Jul 18 19:47:46 1999 From: MasterChem at aol.com (MasterChem at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 19:47:46 EDT Subject: Thoas Swallowtail in Oklahoma? Message-ID: Hi! I also see one of the two specpecies (P. thoas or P. cresphontes) here in Oklahoma (though they, like most swallowtails I see, are hard to catch and locate landing). Is it possible that I get P. thoas here? From romgut at hotmail.com Sun Jul 18 21:36:31 1999 From: romgut at hotmail.com (Oscar Gutierrez) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 20:36:31 EST Subject: Help IDing some butterflies Message-ID: <19990719013631.37335.qmail@hotmail.com> I have pictures of 5 butterflies that I'm having a hard time identifying. I would appreciate any help you can give me in IDing them. The pictures were taken at a butterfly house so I don't know their geographical range either. The images can be found at: http://members.xoom.com/mediaarts/butterflyid2.html Thanks for the help, Oscar http://members.xoom.com/mediaarts _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Stelenes at aol.com Sun Jul 18 21:36:36 1999 From: Stelenes at aol.com (Stelenes at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:36:36 EDT Subject: Thoas Swallowtail in Oklahoma? Message-ID: <1e25173f.24c3db24@aol.com> Hi- You ask if it is possible that thoas make it to OK. "Possible" would be 1 thoas in more than 10,000 cresphontes, guestimating to make a point only, based on the language used in the literature. According to the USGS website mentioned thoas as a very rare stray into OK and was confirmed ID'ed in two counties (Pittsburg Co. & Cleveland Co.), probably in or nearly in unique instances. If you can't get close enough - I suppose the chance is small you might see the female ovipositing as suggested - or even catch one and examine it - to see the end of the abdomen of the male which has a distinct chiseled looking mark on top of cresphontes right near the tip (if something is noted on observation you can be sure this is it), go by the bands on the upper Forewing if you have binocs or good, fast eyes. The dashes forming the band that goes along the cell in thoas looks so nicely squared and collinear after seeing cresphontes. In cresphontes those dashes sometimes are not as collinear and typically instead of squared corners have diamond shapes especially on the edge of the band opposite of the FW cell. Also, if you see three prominent dashes forming the submarginal band plus at most a tiny wanna be fourth one (Perhaps it is best described more like submarginal dots than a band), it is most likely cresphontes. However, when the dots are smaller and not so prominent, this can be more confusing than helpful. In the dark versions of both bugs, where the tail is sometimes not even yellow, it is even harder. Unfortunately due to the variation, I suspect even an expert would have to catch and examine carefully the female to ID it as thoas at 100%. The observations above can get you confidently to 95% but considering 5% would still be difficult, I guess that wouldn't prove much. If the ratio of species were more respectable, say at least 10/90 you would know pretty fast that thoas were around! Take a look at Scott "Butterflies of North America" (1986) and Pyle's "Audubon Field Guide to North American Butterflies" (1981, etc. etc.). I don't recommend you look at Devries' Costa Rica book, in favor of the OK/KY ones, though the genitalia info certainly also applies. Those plates illustrate a different subspecies of thoas whose range is C.R. into South America. They luckily can easily distinguish male thoas because of a yellow FW cell dot (not sure but doubt the female has one). Also, practically speaking probably the best clue you would get is that the thoas would most probably be really beat up to have made it to your place. (Though Howe mentions that someone saw a thoas oviposit in Colorado in a VERY unique instance). So if something is worn down with part of a wing missing it would get more interesting. My personal additions to the above and need to be verified are that the yellow in the thoas is not as intense on the dorsal side and neither is the black as sooty black on newer ones, sort of a bit less charcoalish. Plus the tails seem generally thinner and the yellow color normally present in the tails is frequently more elongated than circular. All this may have something to do with seeing a higher ratio of fresh cresphontes to thoas, but a gut feel for the species within 200 miles the US-TX border area says there is more to it than that. If anyone has more info to add, that would be great. For example Pyle hints that the under hindwing row of blue crescents swaps blue for a rust one in the middle of the chain. Could be something to this, if we concentrate on the crescent rather than the large rust one (at least appearing in some cresphontes, but perhaps not so prominent or organized in thoas) just above this band. Happy butterflying. Doug Dawn. Woodland CA Monterrey, MX From dchaffee at gvi.net Sun Jul 18 23:58:17 1999 From: dchaffee at gvi.net (Dan Chaffee) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 03:58:17 GMT Subject: Thoas Swallowtail in Oklahoma? References: Message-ID: <3792a1fc.1163061@news.gvi.net> > >Hi! > >I also see one of the two specpecies (P. thoas or P. cresphontes) here in >Oklahoma (though they, like most swallowtails I see, are hard to catch and >locate landing). When I lived in Norman, Ok, cresphontes was very common all summer long. Dan Chaffee Kansas City From juwaki at pacific.net.ph Mon Jul 19 09:30:52 1999 From: juwaki at pacific.net.ph (Stanley Cabigas) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:30:52 +0800 Subject: Help IDing some butterflies In-Reply-To: <19990719013631.37335.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <000601bed1ea$ec14ef60$0bf717d2@kilimanjaro> Hypolimnas misippus, female. A butterfly related to the Common Eggfly. Males are black with white spots. Females on the other hand are mimics of either Danaus chrysippus or butterflies of genus Cethosia, especially Cethosia luzonica, both occurs in most islands here in the Philippines. With regards to distribution, I guess, this flies in most of Asia. Stanley juwaki at pacific.net.ph -----Original Message----- From: owner-leps-l at lists.yale.edu [mailto:owner-leps-l at lists.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Oscar Gutierrez Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 9:37 AM To: leps-l at lists.yale.edu Subject: Help IDing some butterflies I have pictures of 5 butterflies that I'm having a hard time identifying. I would appreciate any help you can give me in IDing them. The pictures were taken at a butterfly house so I don't know their geographical range either. The images can be found at: http://members.xoom.com/mediaarts/butterflyid2.html Thanks for the help, Oscar http://members.xoom.com/mediaarts _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca Mon Jul 19 10:58:53 1999 From: Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca (Kondla, Norbert FOR:EX) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:58:53 -0700 Subject: California Anthocharis Question Message-ID: <60F1FEB31CA3D211A1B60008C7A45F43A41244@blaze.bcsc.gov.bc.ca> I am interested in the frequently stated taxonomic treatment of 'reakirti' as the first brood form of 'sara'. I would welcome direct dialogue with anyone who has evidence to support this treatment - has anyone ever reared reakirti and watched it turn into sara ??? I have asked this question of some knowledgeable butterfly people and so far there seems to be no evidence. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Norbert Kondla P.Biol., RPBio. Forest Ecosystem Specialist, Ministry of Environment 845 Columbia Avenue, Castlegar, British Columbia V1N 1H3 Phone 250-365-8610 Mailto:Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca http://www.env.gov.bc.ca From hbertin at free.fr Mon Jul 19 12:09:48 1999 From: hbertin at free.fr (HJ Bertin Free) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:09:48 +0200 Subject: Subscription Message-ID: <37934DCC.1F7ECEAC@free.fr> SUBSCRIBE LEPS-L Henri-J?r?me Bertin From chilli-n-bugs at springnet1.com Mon Jul 19 19:21:29 1999 From: chilli-n-bugs at springnet1.com (Mike Tyner) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:21:29 -0500 Subject: Subscribe Message-ID: <000501bed23d$6ea508a0$5021a9d0@chillinbugs> I was previously a subscriber and have never cancelled yet am not receiving any correspondence. Please help me. Thank you, Mike Tyner From MWalker at gensym.com Mon Jul 19 19:41:25 1999 From: MWalker at gensym.com (Mark Walker) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:41:25 -0400 Subject: Butterflies Message-ID: <45F8A30CE009D2118F850000F805064D8FE4C9@hqmail.gensym.com> Lots of butterflies can be found in that area. Try several altitudes, and you'll be amazed. Try the following URL for Boulder county: http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/resource/distr/lepid/bflyusa/chklist/states/counti es/co_13.htm And this one for Park county: http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/resource/distr/lepid/bflyusa/chklist/states/counti es/co_93.htm If you want some specifics, I can provide you with my species list from August 1996 and 1998. Mark Walker > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael S. [mailto:msabino at mediaone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 10:47 PM > To: leps-l at lists.yale.edu > Subject: Butterflies > > > Anyone know some species of butterfly that can be found near > Estes Park, > Colorado (Colorado Rocky Mountains) > From andrewd at redac.co.uk Tue Jul 20 03:17:00 1999 From: andrewd at redac.co.uk (Andrew Daw) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:17:00 +0100 Subject: [UKWildlife] Purple Emperors etc In-Reply-To: <007301becc98$15b2fea0$83e631d4@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <011301bed27f$dc3960e0$33242159@bunsen.redac.co.uk> Purple Emperors =============== No you haven't missed the peak for Purple Emperors (Apatura iris). I saw my first this year on 3rd July (Oxfordshire), then 10th July in Surrey (Botany Bay) and again this weekend just gone 18th July (Northamptonshire). On all occasions they were not very co-operative and didn't want to come down to have their portrait taken :( Anybody have any tried and tested methods of attracting Purple Emperors I could try out next year that doesn't involve dead animals ? I mean something that you have tried yourself with successful results :) Dark Green Fritillaries ======================= While leading the field trip on Sunday one of the members mentioned that he had seen a Dark Green Fritillary in north Nottinghamshire were he records. Looks like they are quite active this year ;) Other stuff (From a week's holiday) =========== The Large Blues were out early this year 19th June or thereabouts according to a source of mine. Doing well on one of the Somerset sites. On visiting the other site last week none were seen. I guess they are over for the year now. Unless you know better ;) 1st gen. Small Blues still out on Prestbury Hill (Gloucestershire) last Monday (12th July). Silver Studded Blues (New Forest) out in profusion on Tuesday (13th), but have lost their pristine look. Some looked rather tattered. Lulworth Skippers out in large numbers as usual at Winspit (Worth Matravers) in Dorset on Thursday (15th). I even saw a Wall Brown. Nice to see the 2nd gen. out :) Sunday 18th ticked off 6 more Purple Emperors (Northamptonshire). Boy I am having a good year with them :) The Essex Skipper was far more common than the Small Skipper on Sunday. In my experience the Small Skipper is having a dismal year this year. Anybody know how the Mountain Ringlets are doing in Cumbria ? Are they over now or in mid-season ? I am tentatively thinking about a trip this weekend and wondered if I could squeeze some in :) Any sightings of Scotch Argus yet ? PS - Don't forget to send in your records early this year for the ButCon Millennium project. Andrew [ButCon - East Midlands branch field trip organiser] > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Durbin [mailto:gd at wuzza.screaming.net] > Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 7:55 PM > To: uk-leps at onelist.com > Cc: uk wildlife group > Subject: [UKWildlife] Dark Green Fritillaries, Purple Emperors etc > > > Dark Green Fritillaries are continuing to extend their range in > Derbyshire; previously pretty well confined to the limestone valleys, > they are gradually spreading south-eastwards - on Saturday, I saw 2 > near Ambergate, well away from limestone. Has anyone any ideas why > they should be extending in this direction, when other species new to > mid-Derbyshire in recent years (eg Ringlet, Speckled Wood, Gatekeeper) > have all arrived from the other direction (ie from the south or > southeast)? > First two (for this year) White-letter Hairstreaks spotted near > Wirksworth today. > Can anyone give me any up-to-date information on Purple Emperors in > the Hants/Wilts area - ie are they about yet, or have I missed their > peak? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/ukwildlife > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > > > From spmr at msn.com Tue Jul 20 04:49:54 1999 From: spmr at msn.com (Stuart Roberts) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:49:54 +0100 Subject: Irish immigrants Message-ID: Whist visiting the Irish Republic this last week in pursuit of aculeate Hymenoptera, I was impressed with the numbers of various immigran Leps. Clouded Yellow butterflies (Colias croceus) were plentiful at Raven Point (Co. Wexford) on 12 July with about 25 individuals noted. Hummingbird Hawk moths (Macroglossum stellatarum) were abundant, with numbers of individuals seen at Tramore Burrows (Waterford), Lisselty dunes (Waterford), Ballyteige Burrows (Wexford). Lady's Island Lake to Carnsore point dunes (Wexford), Curracloe dunes (Wexford) and at the Raven (Wexford). Has there been any similar arrival in UK? Stuart Roberts spmr at msn.com From be496 at lafn.org Tue Jul 20 08:21:27 1999 From: be496 at lafn.org (wanda) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 05:21:27 -0700 Subject: California Anthocharis Question References: <60F1FEB31CA3D211A1B60008C7A45F43A41244@blaze.bcsc.gov.bc.ca> Message-ID: <379469C7.5C57E114@lafn.org> Quoting from Butterflies of So. Calif. by Emmel & Emmel, "The early spring brood of typical A. sara sara, named form "reakirtii" by Edwards, flies from February to early April and is a small orange-tip with heavy green mottling on the ventral surface." Hope the reference to Edwards helps.... Wanda Dameron Los Angeles "Kondla, Norbert FOR:EX" wrote: > > I am interested in the frequently stated taxonomic treatment of 'reakirti' > as the first brood form of 'sara'. I would welcome direct dialogue with > anyone who has evidence to support this treatment - has anyone ever reared > reakirti and watched it turn into sara ??? I have asked this question of > some knowledgeable butterfly people and so far there seems to be no > evidence. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Norbert Kondla P.Biol., RPBio. > Forest Ecosystem Specialist, Ministry of Environment > 845 Columbia Avenue, Castlegar, British Columbia V1N 1H3 > Phone 250-365-8610 > Mailto:Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca > http://www.env.gov.bc.ca From jhimmel at connix.com Tue Jul 20 08:53:07 1999 From: jhimmel at connix.com (jhimmel at connix.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Butterflies to black lights Message-ID: <199907201253.IAA04369@comet.connix.com> I had a nice surprise this morning while checking my light sheet. A Banded Hairstreak(Satyrium calanus - fairly common in CT) and a White M Hairstreak(Parrhasius m-album - rare this far north) rested at the bottom of it. For some reason, when I do get butterflies to the lights, they are always hairstreaks, Banded and Striped(Satyrium liparops) usually. Are they attracted to UV, or could they just be passing through in the early morning and waiting for things to heat up. The White M was newly emerged, but the Banded looked as if it had been out and about for a couple of days. I'd also be curious to hear of what butterflies some of you may have attracted to your lights. Best to all, John PS - The Catocalas have begun here in Killingworth, Connecticut. So far in the last 3 days C. vidua and C. ilia. <><><><><><><><><> John Himmelman Killingworth, CT USA jhimmel at connix.com <><><><><><><><><> From rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam Tue Jul 20 09:04:33 1999 From: rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam (Rottwlrs2) Date: 20 Jul 1999 13:04:33 GMT Subject: What is this large white moth? References: <199907071259.IAA27722@dr-who.daltonstate.edu> Message-ID: <19990720090433.28369.00000045@ng-cj1.aol.com> Hi James, I just found this newsgroup and was looking for more info on the Giant Leopard Moth also. I found one that wasn't doing too well in my carport, so I gave her water which she slurped up. She's not moving too much, but did become more active when I gave her sugar water (someone suggested). She has laid some eggs, and I just wondered how long it takes for them to hatch. Are they the Woolley Bear caterpillars? If they like Dandylions, we have some. What else do they like? How long will the moth live? She is currently hanging out in a potted plant that I brought inside, because we have been experiencing a very dry, hot spell in Delaware. She doesn't try to fly, but has fluttered slightly when I've been feeding her the sugar water. Would fresh squeezed apple juice be more nutritional? I have to make some for my birds anyway, so it's no trouble. Do they die after laying eggs - or is she just getting over dehydration? I'll let her go when she can fly and walk better - right now she is better than when I first found her, but still not well enough to let go. Well thank you for taking the time to answer my email. TTYL Lisa From jkrogerSPAM_FILTER at earthlink.net Tue Jul 20 10:25:22 1999 From: jkrogerSPAM_FILTER at earthlink.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:25:22 -0500 Subject: What do houseflies really like? Message-ID: I want to half-fill some beer bottles with something that will attract them to drown them. Something that won't bother me though. Or....is there something they really hate that I could put around that would keep them away? Can't understand why they stay, I'm keeping the place really clean, garbage taken out, food put away, etc etc. Jim From rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam Tue Jul 20 09:24:18 1999 From: rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam (Rottwlrs2) Date: 20 Jul 1999 13:24:18 GMT Subject: Giant Leopard Moth questions... Message-ID: <19990720092418.28369.00000051@ng-cj1.aol.com> Hi, I live in Delaware where we are having very hot, dry weather. I found a moth in my carport and it was just about dead. I gave it water, and it laid eggs - so it's a she! I've been doing some web searches, and learned it's name, and to give it sugar water. She is doing better, moving a bit after feeding, but she doesn't try to fly and doesn't walk as well as she should. She's been hanging out in a potted plant I placed her in, and I feed her sugar water and mist the plant when I have to leave for work. I've also brought the whole plant inside as it's so darn hot out. My questions are: Are they primarily nocturnal? Should I be feeding in the morning & at night, or just at night? How long do they live? Do they die after laying eggs? If she's not flying, it's not a good sign, right? Can I give her something more nutrional beside sugar water? How about fresh squeezed fruit juice? Apples, oranges? Someone said they like Dandylions - should I provide a fresh flower? When do the eggs hatch? Are they Wooley Bear caterpillars? What do they eat? Well, thank you for taking the time to help me out. I have birds, so I don't mind caring for another winged creature. She is actually quite sweet, and likes to hang out on my hand after feeding. Feel free to tell me more of whatever you may know in addition to my questions. Thanks!! Lisa From ahrides at gateway.net Tue Jul 20 10:05:55 1999 From: ahrides at gateway.net (ahrides) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:05:55 -0500 Subject: Antheraea polyphemus in Escambia County, FL Message-ID: <000701bed2b8$fd4ab660$c1fbfcd0@oemcomputer> I am a biologist, though not any kind of expert on moths. However, I am = sure I have a Polyphemus moth pair mating in my yard. I collected the = cocoon and a female emerged about a month later. By morning she had = attracted a mate. I would like to add this record to the county records for Florida. Do = you know of a northwest FL moth expert who would be willing to confirm = my ID? Thanks, Alice Harris Cantonment, FL (Escambia County) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/private/leps-l/attachments/19990720/4f935697/attachment.html From thedistance at email.msn.com Tue Jul 20 11:06:44 1999 From: thedistance at email.msn.com (thedistance) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:06:44 -0400 Subject: Can anyone ID this cocoon? Message-ID: <#OS#oIs0#GA.318@cpmsnbbsa05> Dear NewsGroups, The following cocoon was found in Western Pennsylvania; can anyone please help me identify it? Stats: approx. 4" long extremely durable extremely lightweight Please respond to my email address for I will not be able to check the newsgroups for a reply. 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Dr. Lemaire does plan to attend and make a presentation at the forthcoming Lepidopterists' Society meetings. Our heartiest congratulations and best wishes to Claude! Lee D. Miller, Chairman Karl Jordan Medal Committee From jorolat at aol.com Tue Jul 20 14:17:38 1999 From: jorolat at aol.com (Jorolat) Date: 20 Jul 1999 18:17:38 GMT Subject: Schroeder & Willow-Moth Caterpillars Message-ID: <19990720141738.03874.00000130@ng-ck1.aol.com> Hi, A reference to the following experiment was found in a book called "The Great Evolution Mystery" by Gordon Rattray Taylor: About 60 years ago Harry Schroeder performed an experiment on willow-moth caterpillars. At pupation these caterplillars crawl onto leaves, pull the tips over, then wrap the rest of the leaves around themselves. Schroeder waited until the caterpillars were on the leaves before cutting the tips off. The caterpillars responded by using the sides of the leaves instead and pupation continued normally thereafter. When pupation time arrived for the subsequent generation 4 of the 19 offspring used the side of the leaves in preference to the tips. Can anyone help in locating the primary source for this (or any similar) experiment? - any other secondary reference would also be appreciated. Thankyou, Jorolat http://members.aol.com/jorolat An Internal Evolutionary Mechanism: A simple Model and Method of Testing How Psychology colours perception of Natural Realities Trauma/Bullying/Social Violence/Professional Abusers etc. From spamhater at nospam.nyet Tue Jul 20 14:56:07 1999 From: spamhater at nospam.nyet (spamhater at nospam.nyet) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:56:07 GMT Subject: Butterflies to blacklights Message-ID: <3794c4da.2441316@netnews.worldnet.att.net> in northern NJ at about 11 pm EDST. It was a female. Possibly it might have been disturbed while roosting in a bush near the lamp? From watb at videotron.ca Tue Jul 20 15:31:17 1999 From: watb at videotron.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Watier) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:31:17 -0400 Subject: Catocala for exchange Message-ID: <3794CE85.A6F320CF@videotron.ca> Hi, i have 4 perfect catocala unijuga from Mont-Tremblant(qu?bec). I search hyalophora columbia. Thanks Pierre-Luc Watier http://www.angelfire.com/il/insectes From spamhater at nospam.nyet Tue Jul 20 16:18:50 1999 From: spamhater at nospam.nyet (spamhater at nospam.nyet) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:18:50 GMT Subject: Giant Leopard Moth questions...More than you wanted to know...? Message-ID: <3794c65e.2828779@netnews.worldnet.att.net> leaving out anything. First of all, you have Ecpantheria scribonia, a member of the Arctiidae (Tiger Moth) family. It is not one of the more common species in this group, and is sought after by collectors and breeders. It has a 'wooly bear' type larva, as do most Arctiids, 'fuzzy' and black, with narrow red bands in between each segment of its body, and is very active (I have not seen any other larva that can move as fast as one of these!) They do eat dandelion in the larval stage, as well as plantain- another typical 'wooly bear' characteristic. There is no need to offer dandelion to the adult moth, except perhaps so she might oviposit on it (but she will usually oviposit on any surface available, if not given a choice, so if you want to keep some eggs to rear, you could just put her in a container that later could be used to raise the young larvae). The adults are nocturnal, and are attracted to lights. Usually males are more commonly found at lights than females. I admire your concern and attention given to it, (a rare quality in many people today, especially when it comes to 'bugs'!) but the moth was probably senescent (old, or already on the wing for some time and near the end of her adult life) and therefore, it is probably not necessary to continue feeding her as, sorry to say, she will die shortly after laying whatever ova she may have left. The moth probably already had laid the majority of her ova in the wild before you came to have her, and if she is exhibiting signs of being 'crippled' or not being able to walk about briskly, she is most likely near the end of her life, and has already done her part in reproducing and carrying on the species. The adult females of this species don't fly too much, (that's why they are not found at lights as much as the males are); they tend to remain in a small area they have chosen to deposit eggs (usually near where pupation took place and where there is an abundance of larval hostplant). Therefore, the fact that she is not flying is not in and of itself, indicative of a problem, but since as I have said she is probably senescent anyway, she cannot be expected to be able to fly (especially if she can't even walk well). Her ova will hatch in about 2 weeks (give or take, depending on temperature) - probably less, since it is very hot here in NJ as well and this has caused premature hatching of moth ova that I have (Actias luna ova laid last week are hatching today!) The larvae, as mentioned, should be offered fresh dandelion or plantain leaves, and will also eat violets, maple, cabbage, sunflower and a range of other plants as well (make certain that you thoroughly wash any 'store-bought' foods like cabbage to remove pesticides before offering it to the caterpillars!) They can be kept (if you wish to rear them) in a fairly large CLEAN jar, (or several, depending on how many you have, since overcrowding will lead to disease). They are easy to rear as long as (a) you keep the humidity in the container under control so that the food will not wilt, but not so high as to cause mold or condensation and (b) keep the caterpillars supplied with fresh food, even if they have not finished what food they have after a couple of days) (c) empty out the frass (excrement) on a daily basis (this will look like tiny black specks when the larvae are young, as they grow, so will the frass size (and amount) until it will look like small pellets when they are mature. The larvae may require overwintering in the fridge, (NOT the freezer!) if they are this year's final brood, and periodically must be pulled out, warmed up and fed for a few hours, then put back into the cold so that they can continue hibernation. This is the only difficult aspect to rearing them, and is typical of Arctiids, in that they overwinter as larvae and require a hibernation period, interrupted periodically for a nibble. Otherwise, you should have success (I recommend that you try to rear only a few, perhaps a dozen or so, and release the rest into the wild, so that it will be easier to keep them from being overcrowded (and having to find large amounts of food!) The larvae will undergo several molts, becoming larger each time, and must not be disturbed during the molt, as they are delicate at that time (you can tell they are about to molt as they will stop eating, and their head will have an odd, protruding appearance (as they pull out of their old skins). The larvae, if of overwintering stock, will pupate in Spring of next year, producing a loose cocoon made primarily of larval hairs, with very little silk, and the adults will begin to eclose (emerge) typically June through August, although a few may eclose earlier or later. If you would like more help or information, feel free to email me at the address below (the header address: spamhater...etc. is to well, you guessed it, make things a tad more difficult for those blasted spammers!) : njleps at my-deja.com From Boydtd at aol.com Tue Jul 20 17:20:54 1999 From: Boydtd at aol.com (Boydtd at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:20:54 EDT Subject: Irish immigrants Message-ID: Good news about immigrants in the south of this island. Up here in the north we have just had a few Red Admirals, Silver Y moths and a Humming-bird Hawk-moth (today). Numbers of Meadow Browns and Ringlets, so numerous two weeks ago, have crashed following some damp and windy but not cold weather. Trevor Boyd Butterfly Conservation, Northern Ireland From mothman617 at aol.com Tue Jul 20 18:50:06 1999 From: mothman617 at aol.com (Mothman617) Date: 20 Jul 1999 22:50:06 GMT Subject: Butterflies to black lights References: <199907201253.IAA04369@comet.connix.com> Message-ID: <19990720185006.19159.00000263@ng-cc1.aol.com> I also occasionaly see butterflies at black lights. A few times I had seen N. antiopa (Mourning Cloak) and Skippers (Hesperidae). On one occasion I captured a Hackberry Butterfly (A. celtis) at night on my sheet. From rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam Tue Jul 20 21:59:46 1999 From: rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam (Rottwlrs2) Date: 21 Jul 1999 01:59:46 GMT Subject: Giant Leopard Moth...Questions Message-ID: <19990720215946.21926.00000234@ng-fq1.aol.com> Hi, I'm new here, and I must say it's a really great newsgroup! I've gotten some info from a few people I found through web sites on moths, but I'd like more help and you seem to be the ones who can lend your expertise. First, let me tell you how I found a Giant Leopard Moth. She was hanging out in our carport for a couple of days, so I checked to see if it was OK. It didn't seem to be doing too well - we have been having unseasonably dry, hot weather. I put her on the edge of the birdbath, and she drank. She wasn't moving too good, so I put her in one of my plants for some shelter. When I got home from work, she was still there. She was still alive, and I gave her more water. She then laid some eggs! I then found out a couple of things, with the help of the web. They don't live too long, and like sugar water, nectar and Dandylions, and the eggs will hatch into Wooley Bear caterpillars. I mixed up some sugar water, and she really liked that - even moved around more afterwards. I put her back in the potted plant for shelter, but since it was so hot still, I brought it inside. I keep my house 78-80 degrees, so it's not too cold. Also, we have a toad that visits our front porch every night; we nicknamed him "Bubba", so you can imagine how big he is - would probably love the delicacy of Giant Leopard Moth on his menu! The moth laid a lot of eggs at the base of the plant - it's fernlike but it does well even in hot, dry weather, so it's a good hardy plant that offers shelter. OK, here are my questions: How long can I help her live, and should I offer her Hummingbird nectar instead of just sugar water? What is the best thing to feed her? How about fruits? (She ignored the Dandylion.) Do the eggs hatch in a week? What will they want to eat? Dandylions? She flutters her wings after drinking the sugar water, and walks around a bit - do you think she will eventually fly, or is she near the end of her life? I've heard that some moths live quite a few months beyond expectancy with some help - anyone have experience with that and can share what they did? Thank you for your help. I know it may seem silly to grow affectionate over a moth, but she is very beautiful and sweet. I swear she recognizes the litte sugar water bowl! She gets right on my finger from the plant when I have the bowl - otherwise she stays in the plant, so I'm not just imagining it. I have dogs and many birds, and have taken in numerous domestic strays or wild animals and reptiles needing medical help or recuperation time before releasing back into the wild, and have never had such an experience with an insect, so it's really interesting! Well, thank you for your help! Please email me direct!! Lisa From habitatdesigns at hotmail.com Tue Jul 20 22:33:33 1999 From: habitatdesigns at hotmail.com (Paulette Haywood) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:33:33 PDT Subject: Postpone Message-ID: <19990721023333.1391.qmail@hotmail.com> SET LEPS-L MAIL POSTPONE _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam Tue Jul 20 22:59:09 1999 From: rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam (Rottwlrs2) Date: 21 Jul 1999 02:59:09 GMT Subject: Test post 2 References: <19990720222228.21926.00000246@ng-fq1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990720225909.21924.00000227@ng-fq1.aol.com> Well, I see my posts now! So, nevermind. Strange... From rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam Tue Jul 20 23:03:04 1999 From: rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam (Rottwlrs2) Date: 21 Jul 1999 03:03:04 GMT Subject: Giant Leopard Moth...Questions References: <19990720215946.21926.00000234@ng-fq1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990720230304.21924.00000234@ng-fq1.aol.com> Sorry if you read my earlier post and this is basically a duplicate... I don't know what the heck is wrong with my server, but I couldn't find my earlier post for hours! I see it now....figures. Sorry about that. From rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam Tue Jul 20 23:05:44 1999 From: rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam (Rottwlrs2) Date: 21 Jul 1999 03:05:44 GMT Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: Message-ID: <19990720230544.21924.00000243@ng-fq1.aol.com> Yes, I agree, they are a pain!! What's even more gross is that I see them immediately clinging to my dog's droppings, and then when I scoop it up, they move to my leg! Ugh!!! I need a shower with antibacterial soap after every walk in the park! Lisa From butrfly at epix.net Wed Jul 21 11:53:38 1999 From: butrfly at epix.net (Rick M.) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:53:38 -0700 Subject: Ecuador Message-ID: <3795ED02.3335@epix.net> If anyone is planning a trip to Ecuador you should contact Lee Schel at Sacha Lodge Butterfly Farm slbflies at ECNET.ec for a beautiful brochure and other promotional material. Or visit www.sachalodge.com. Rick Mikula From llrogers at airmail.net Wed Jul 21 10:28:16 1999 From: llrogers at airmail.net (Linda Rogers) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:28:16 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990721092816.00796df0@mail.airmail.net> UNSUBSCRIBE LEPS-L From hankb at theriver.com Wed Jul 21 12:29:22 1999 From: hankb at theriver.com (Hank & Priscilla Brodkin) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:29:22 -0700 Subject: Ecuador References: <3795ED02.3335@epix.net> Message-ID: <3795F562.B5078BE1@theriver.com> > > If anyone is planning a trip to Ecuador you should contact Lee Schel > at Sacha Lodge Butterfly Farm slbflies at ECNET.ec for a beautiful > brochure and other promotional material. Or visit www.sachalodge.com. > > Rick Mikula Another great spot in completely different habitat: San Isidor Lodge on the eastern slope of the eastern Andes. Contact Mitch Lysinger -- Hank & Priscilla Brodkin Carr Canyon, Cochise County, AZ SouthEast Arizona Butterfly Association Send Mailto:hankb at theriver.com From sheri at butterflywings.com Wed Jul 21 13:16:07 1999 From: sheri at butterflywings.com (Sheri Moreau) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:16:07 -0700 Subject: dead butterflies at wedding... Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990721101607.007e1610@mailhost.mbay.net> I know of one case when butterflies were ordered from a fairly local supplier for release at their ourdoor wedding. Come the time to release them, not one of the butterflies was alive. Not only was this a sad occurrence for the wedding but environmentally it was a disaster also. -------------------------- Sorry, but I can't figure out why this was an environmental disaster. Why did the butterflies die? Did the recipients leave them on the dashboard of the car during the wedding service? (It's been known to happen...) Or did the shipper fail to package them properly, so they expired of heat enroute? Or were they actually diseased, and so happily in fact, died without getting out into the environment? You don't say. Regardless, it didn't affect the environment at all. Unhappy for the wedding party, and unhappy for the bugs, but (and I'm sure to get slammed for this) we really do need to stop anthropomorphizing certain arthropods. If they were dead mosquitoes, would it be an environmental disaster?? Dead ticks?? Dead mealy bugs??? Sheri From bjarne.bechof at image.dk Wed Jul 21 12:43:25 1999 From: bjarne.bechof at image.dk (Bjarne) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:43:25 +0200 Subject: Collecting in Cyprus Message-ID: <8Vml3.201$vO2.4663@news020.image.dk> Hi out there! Anything you may know about the legality/or illegality of noncommercial = collection of insects in Cyprus (the Greek side) would be appreciated. Thanks and regards Bjarne --=20 e-mail: bjarne.bechof at image.dk From SLOWE at alexandria-emh1.army.mil Wed Jul 21 13:26:28 1999 From: SLOWE at alexandria-emh1.army.mil (STAN LOWE) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:26:28 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <852567B5.005FB886.00@alexandria-emh12.army.mil> UNSUBSCRIBE LEPS-L From sheri at butterflywings.com Wed Jul 21 13:51:58 1999 From: sheri at butterflywings.com (Sheri Moreau) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:51:58 -0700 Subject: smallpox virus release Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990721105158.007e7280@mailhost.mbay.net> Sorry, Jacob, but I could not even begin to agree that Dr. Brower's suggestion that releasing smallpox virus within the human population is an appropriate analogy to the effects of Ophryocystis electroschirra in Monarchs. Once again, individuals who (IMHO) should know better are attempting to weld patterns of disease pathology (and migration) from the vertebrate world to the invertebrate world. The comparison is, quite simply, specious. The idea, I gather, is to use an example the average, marginally educated human can relate to (smallpox/passenger pigeons) and then to say with alarmist intonation: "Look! This could happen to the butterflies!!" I say, "Ptoeey. Give us a break--and quit insulting our intelligence." What I'd really like to see is the entomologists and population statisticians comparing apples to apples for a change: What's the success rate of eliminating the gypsy moth? the cabbage white? the various "cutworms" of the Lepidoptera order in our orchards and fields? Locusts?? Cockroaches?? Termites??? My buddleia are covered in microlep larvae, and for the third year in a row the plants are unable to flower. What viral pathogen can I release to eliminate these beasties and not harm any other "desirable" lep??? Certainly, populations of restricted range, geographically isolated, and/or specialist feeding species can be easily eliminated with habitat destruction (Xerces Blue), etc. Serious question for the entomologists here: Has there ever been a single species of widely distributed, generalist feeding insect eliminated anywhere?? Sheri Moreau From drdn at mail.utexas.edu Wed Jul 21 02:47:27 1999 From: drdn at mail.utexas.edu (Chris J. Durden) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:47:27 -0500 Subject: common insect extinct In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990721105158.007e7280@mailhost.mbay.net> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990721014727.007f5340@mail.utexas.edu> anyone has been able to splice genes from frozen fossils from the Grasshopper Glaciers of Montana into its closest relative, and resurrect it. A lot of beetles and a few butterflies were described from North America before the twentieth century and have not been seen in the last 100 years. They were not common species. A few species have been described as extinct Pleistocene fossils and then subsequently discovered as rare living species in remote places. There is an *Heliophorus* - MUSKEG BEETLE of the Canadian Arctic that fits this description. All these extinctions seem to have been by natural causes or by habitat modification not directed against the species in question. Does anyone know of a list or registry of historically extinct North American insect species, with documentation? ..............Chris Durden At 10:51 21/07/99 -0700, you wrote: >Sorry, Jacob, but I could not even begin to agree that Dr. Brower's >suggestion that releasing smallpox virus within the human population is an >appropriate analogy to the effects of Ophryocystis electroschirra in >Monarchs. > >Once again, individuals who (IMHO) should know better are attempting to >weld patterns of disease pathology (and migration) from the vertebrate >world to the invertebrate world. The comparison is, quite simply, specious. >The idea, I gather, is to use an example the average, marginally educated >human can relate to (smallpox/passenger pigeons) and then to say with >alarmist intonation: "Look! This could happen to the butterflies!!" > >I say, "Ptoeey. Give us a break--and quit insulting our intelligence." > >What I'd really like to see is the entomologists and population >statisticians comparing apples to apples for a change: What's the success >rate of eliminating the gypsy moth? the cabbage white? the various >"cutworms" of the Lepidoptera order in our orchards and fields? Locusts?? >Cockroaches?? Termites??? My buddleia are covered in microlep larvae, and >for the third year in a row the plants are unable to flower. What viral >pathogen can I release to eliminate these beasties and not harm any other >"desirable" lep??? > >Certainly, populations of restricted range, geographically isolated, and/or >specialist feeding species can be easily eliminated with habitat >destruction (Xerces Blue), etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Serious question for the entomologists here: Has there ever been a single >species of widely distributed, generalist feeding insect eliminated anywhere?? > >Sheri Moreau > > > > From Barney.Spector at po.state.ct.us Wed Jul 21 16:22:03 1999 From: Barney.Spector at po.state.ct.us (Barney E. Spector) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:22:03 -0400 Subject: what is it going to be? Message-ID: <01BED395.2B8CFB00@dpucuser.dpuc.state.ct.us> If this is too much trouble please forget it. Found a caterpillar, 2" smooth brown with rows of tiny white dots. Put it on my ivy in the office and it's happy. Will it be a moth? A butterfly? What kind? Much obliged. From Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca Wed Jul 21 17:01:51 1999 From: Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca (Kondla, Norbert FOR:EX) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:01:51 -0700 Subject: Strange Question - electrophoresis Message-ID: <60F1FEB31CA3D211A1B60008C7A45F43A41272@blaze.bcsc.gov.bc.ca> At first glance this question may not seem to be relevant to leps but bear with me - it is. some time over the past 2 years somebody mentioned to me that there is only a 2 % genetic difference between humans and chimpanzees. I would be eternally grateful if any of you can provide me with a citation of a publication for this observation - assuming this was published somewhere. The lep connection of course is that I am in the process of trying to decide how much weight to place on chemical differences in animals as an aid to deciding on species vs subspecies status. As everything else, I have heard differing opinions on this subject - and I find it useful to hear differing opinions before deciding what my own opinion will be. Even if not directly relevant to the human/chimp situation; please feel welcome to hold forth on the topic of electrophoresis/chemistry in taxonomy or give me a shout directly if you prefer. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Norbert Kondla P.Biol., RPBio. Forest Ecosystem Specialist, Ministry of Environment 845 Columbia Avenue, Castlegar, British Columbia V1N 1H3 Phone 250-365-8610 Mailto:Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca http://www.env.gov.bc.ca From justinlb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 21 17:55:43 1999 From: justinlb at earthlink.net (Justin Brown) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:55:43 -0400 Subject: Funereal Duskywing Q. Message-ID: <379641DF.EFCE7564@earthlink.net> Greetings all! I am trying to find the account for the Funereal Duskwing (Erynnis funeralis) in Scott's book but am having no luck. Is this a new species name? Does anyone know what this butterfly could have formerly been known as? Thanks! From dreggianti at iol.it Wed Jul 21 17:59:08 1999 From: dreggianti at iol.it (Diego Reggianti) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:59:08 +0200 Subject: R: dead butterflies at wedding... Message-ID: <006901bed3c4$4704cbe0$e74e34d4@DiegoReggianti> -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Sheri Moreau A: leps-l at lists.yale.edu Data: mercoled? 21 luglio 1999 19.37 Oggetto: re: dead butterflies at wedding... >Unhappy for the wedding party, and unhappy >for the bugs, but (and I'm sure to get slammed for this) we really do need >to stop anthropomorphizing certain arthropods. If they were dead >mosquitoes, would it be an environmental disaster?? Dead ticks?? Dead mealy >bugs??? > >Sheri > > Indeed we should stop anthropomorphizing ALL the animals, from the house pet to the tigers in the zoos (to say nothing about the animals we watch at in TV). Anyway it should be stopped the use of the insect for the wedding, as well. Diego Reggianti acherontia at iol.it From be496 at lafn.org Wed Jul 21 19:02:41 1999 From: be496 at lafn.org (wanda) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:02:41 -0700 Subject: Funereal Duskywing Q. References: <379641DF.EFCE7564@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <37965191.C15F5E98@lafn.org> Hi! It is noted as a subspecies under sp. 656, page 492 and Plate 43;656cd. Now a full species. W. Dameron, L.A., Ca Justin Brown wrote: > > Greetings all! > > I am trying to find the account for the Funereal Duskwing (Erynnis > funeralis) in Scott's book but am having no luck. Is this a new species > name? Does anyone know what this butterfly could have formerly been > known as? > > Thanks! From Tibicens at worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 21 18:46:08 1999 From: Tibicens at worldnet.att.net (Adam Fleishman) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:46:08 -0400 Subject: Looking for E. imperialis ova Message-ID: <7n5isi$2tu$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> If anyone has E. imperialis ova they'd like to sell/trade, please contact me via email at: Tibicens at worldnet.att.net Thanks, Adam From John.O.Keeler at usda.gov Wed Jul 21 13:49:40 1999 From: John.O.Keeler at usda.gov (John O Keeler) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:49:40 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <"990722002110Z.WT24021. 31*/PN=John.O.Keeler/OU=APHISNOTES/O=APHIS/PRMD=GOV+USDA/ADMD=ATTMAIL/C=US/"@MHS> UNSUBSCRIBE LEPS-L From oehlkew at pei.sympatico.ca Wed Jul 21 21:40:00 1999 From: oehlkew at pei.sympatico.ca (William Oehlke) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:40:00 -0300 Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: <000b01bed3e3$1dbfd260$0a48b08e@oehlke> From botany at flash.net Thu Jul 22 02:36:38 1999 From: botany at flash.net (Sharyn Fernandez) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:36:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Funereal Duskywing Q. Message-ID: I think I saw that at the museum here at Diablo Valley College in Pleasant Hill, CA. Give me till next week, at whicH time I will need to return a case of rhino beetles I have on loan and will try to verify the skipper. As I recall they have a collection from the '40's with outdated names... Sff - Concord CA > >I am trying to find the account for the Funereal Duskwing (Erynnis >funeralis) in Scott's book but am having no luck. Is this a new species >name? Does anyone know what this butterfly could have formerly been >known as? > >Thanks! S. Fernandez Concord CA http://come.to/butterflies From Stelenes at aol.com Thu Jul 22 02:52:58 1999 From: Stelenes at aol.com (Stelenes at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 02:52:58 EDT Subject: Strange Question - electrophoresis Message-ID: <8a6ca1f8.24c819ca@aol.com> Though DNA is a nice ace to have up the sleeve to make gross statements like X is relatively closer to Y than it is to Z, I think it is to taxonomy what computers were to accounting. I.e., if you don't figure out what you are looking for without relying on the "system", you are may not be doing more than wasting your time. In plants, typically markers, or uniquely conserved sequences of DNA not found in other organisms, are used to define varieties of a species of plant. But a new plant variety can be the identical thing as the old variety except with the addition of the marker sequence for Fusarium resistance or whatever. All I hope to illustrate with the above is that in the case of plants, varieties are nearly arbitrarily defined to reflect premeditated or human centric selection criteria identified to the detail of the DNA. But that will do little to answer the theological question as to whether two things are the same subspecies or not which nature has let evolved proudly into whatever they now are. The species thing is also a somewhat arbitrary human construct. Mind you I don't mean to imply that traditional taxonomy can do much better, but it requires more thought in the absence of reliance on statistics. You can pick the set (fingerprint) of markers yourself which you can define to uniquely define a subspecies, but then again by appropriate selections of markers you probably could find a "same" and a "not same" answer in a subjective manner for the comparison of the two individuals' DNA. So back to traditional taxonomy...with a little modern help... The chimp having 2% different doesn't really mean much when it comes to separating our human species from chimps. So if birds had 5% difference does it strengthen the case that humans are closer to chimps? Suppose all the 5% is unused DNA? Then the phenotype would be not different and this newsgroup might be for the birds and we flying. Or suppose gorillas had 1% difference from humans but it was all in the diet and reproduction traits, so they only ate bananas and had bent genitalia compared to being omnivores with straight organs. (I picked those examples in parallel to host plant differences and genitalia differences, two favorite ways to separate species and subspecies, to try to stay on the Leps topic) Try telling someone in the GMO debate that just because the organism is 99.9999999% the same DNA with the tiny weenie modification, that it is the same species. You more likely would be force fed the mutant. My opinion is that more information is definitely better than less and can help make overall assessments, but since speciation is not linear, getting caught up too much in relying on genes could cause oversight of the traditional painfully difficult taxonomy which tends to be more intuitive. In cases where speciation is linear, the question is more likely not to be of differentiating subspecies, but of checking for a common ancestor. Well sorry for rambling on in response to your invitation on this and related subjects. Doug Dawn. Berkeley, CA Monterrey, Mexico In a message dated 7/21/99 2:11:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca writes: > At first glance this question may not seem to be relevant to leps but bear > with me - it is. some time over the past 2 years somebody mentioned to me > that there is only a 2 % genetic difference between humans and chimpanzees. > I would be eternally grateful if any of you can provide me with a citation > of a publication for this observation - assuming this was published > somewhere. The lep connection of course is that I am in the process of > trying to decide how much weight to place on chemical differences in animals > as an aid to deciding on species vs subspecies status. As everything else, > I have heard differing opinions on this subject - and I find it useful to > hear differing opinions before deciding what my own opinion will be. Even if > not directly relevant to the human/chimp situation; please feel welcome to > hold forth on the topic of electrophoresis/chemistry in taxonomy or give me > a shout directly if you prefer. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Norbert Kondla P.Biol., RPBio. > Forest Ecosystem Specialist, Ministry of Environment > 845 Columbia Avenue, Castlegar, British Columbia V1N 1H3 > Phone 250-365-8610 > Mailto:Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca > http://www.env.gov.bc.ca > From pamcohen at adelphia.net Thu Jul 22 02:25:22 1999 From: pamcohen at adelphia.net (Steven M. Cohen) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:25:22 GMT Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: Message-ID: If you are dealing with green bottleneck or blue bottleneck flies, they are attracted to natural gas, butane, methane and propane. In fact, when they collect in an area in a conspicuous manner, it reliably indicates a gas leak. The bottleneck flies, or "bottle" flies look like the common housefly, except for a metalic green or metalic blue sheen. You can probably get a load of info, and probably some pictures off the web. Try these "buzz words" [excuse the pun]: calliphoridae, Lucilia cuprina, diptera, Phaenicia Sericata, Calliphora Vicina. What you pull up will help you identify the "pest" in your home. Now, if these evil monsters you seek to drown in beer turn out to help you identify a potentially fatal gas leak, maybe you will re-think the fate of God's winged creatures .... Jim wrote in message ... >I want to half-fill some beer bottles with something that will attract them >to drown them. Something that won't bother me though. > >Or....is there something they really hate that I could put around that >would keep them away? > >Can't understand why they stay, I'm keeping the place really clean, garbage >taken out, food put away, etc etc. > >Jim > From paulcher at concentric.net Wed Jul 21 20:27:50 1999 From: paulcher at concentric.net (Paul Cherubini) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:27:50 +0000 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: Message-ID: <37966586.6519@concentric.net> > > If you are dealing with green bottleneck or blue bottleneck flies, they are > attracted to natural gas, butane, methane and propane. In fact, when they > collect in an area in a conspicuous manner, it reliably indicates a gas > leak. You are right on Steve. I once visited an immaculately clean house that was massively infested with bottleneck fly adults. No one could figure out where the flies were entering the house. As a last ditch effort I went up on the roof and saw the flies swarming around a vent pipe that led to the natural gas furnace inside the house. The flies were landing on the vent and walking down the pipe and into the home from there. There was a gas leak in the furnace, as you say, that was attracting them--possibly enough of a gas concentration to ignite. I'm glad I wasn't up there on the roof with a cigarette in my mouth! Paul Cherubini From jrg13 at psu.edu Thu Jul 22 09:34:18 1999 From: jrg13 at psu.edu (John Grehan) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:34:18 -0400 Subject: Strange Question - electrophoresis In-Reply-To: <8a6ca1f8.24c819ca@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990722093418.3d779086@email.psu.edu> The species thing is also a somewhat arbitrary >human construct. >Doug Dawn. >Berkeley, CA >Monterrey, Mexico I would venture to add that species may also be regarded as having actual existence so is not arbitrary. What I see as arbitrary is the desire or practice of many systematists/taxonomists looking for an essential feature that is the essence of a species. This approach assumes that species have essence (a spatiotemporally unrestricted quality that makes the species what it is regardless of place or time). An alternative is to regard species as having no essence, but boundary limits (morphological, spatial, temporal) that can be diagnosed, but since species evolve (the usual assumption) these features may change, and therefore cannot qualify as essential to the species (essences do not evolve). The difficulty of diagnosis notwithstanding, the species does not become arbitrary any more than a disease. Delimiting one taxonomic rank from another (species-subspecies etc.) may not be standardised and perhaps this qualifies as arbitrary, but decision still needs to be specified so its testable in this respect. John Grehan From justinlb at earthlink.net Thu Jul 22 10:01:26 1999 From: justinlb at earthlink.net (Justin Brown) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:01:26 -0400 Subject: Georgia Satyrs Message-ID: <37972436.61F34F91@earthlink.net> Greetings! I am looking for a good resource that could tell me what the adult food source of Georgia Satyrs is. Any ideas? Thanks. Justin From JADAMS at em.daltonstate.edu Thu Jul 22 10:13:25 1999 From: JADAMS at em.daltonstate.edu (DR. JAMES ADAMS) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:13:25 -0400 Subject: Funereal Duskywing Q. In-Reply-To: <37965191.C15F5E98@lafn.org> Message-ID: <199907221258.IAA32167@dr-who.daltonstate.edu> Wanda Dameron wrote, in response to Justin Brown request about Erynnis funeralis in Scott's book: > It is noted as a subspecies under sp. 656, page 492 and Plate 43;656cd. > Now a full species. Well, it has been treated as a full species is virtually every publication *except* Scott's. Scott is a notorious lumper, so to say that E. funeralis is *now* a full species is not really accurate. It has been considered a full species for a long time. James Dr. James K. Adams Dept. of Natural Science and Math Dalton State College 213 N. College Drive Dalton, GA 30720 Phone: (706)272-4427; fax: (706)272-2533 U of Michigan's President James Angell's Secret of Success: "Grow antennae, not horns" From jhimmel at connix.com Thu Jul 22 10:59:39 1999 From: jhimmel at connix.com (jhimmel at connix.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Funereal Duskywing Q. In-Reply-To: <37965191.C15F5E98@lafn.org> Message-ID: <199907221459.KAA06851@comet.connix.com> According to the book "Butterflies of Houston"(Tveten), when the Funereal Duskywing was considered a subsp. of Erynnis zarruco, the 2 were collectively called Streamlined Duskywings. <><><><><><><><><> John Himmelman Killingworth, CT USA jhimmel at connix.com <><><><><><><><><> On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, wanda wrote: >Hi! > >It is noted as a subspecies under sp. 656, page 492 and Plate 43;656cd. >Now a full species. > > W. Dameron, L.A., Ca > >Justin Brown wrote: >> >> Greetings all! >> >> I am trying to find the account for the Funereal Duskwing (Erynnis >> funeralis) in Scott's book but am having no luck. Is this a new species >> name? Does anyone know what this butterfly could have formerly been >> known as? >> >> Thanks! > > > > From BlizzardSystems at Netxn.com Thu Jul 22 11:41:19 1999 From: BlizzardSystems at Netxn.com (Joseph C. Tallon) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:41:19 -0700 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: , Message-ID: <37973B9F.E849880A@Netxn.com> Where do these two species of flys lay their eggs and develop their larva in an urban environment? What is the range of the adults? Why are the adults attracted to these gases and what would be the common element in these gases? I hope I don't seem too lazy by not following your suggestion on a search Steven but thought I'd ask first and if you didn't have it on the top of you head I will research and post the answers.. Thanks Joseph Tallon , Bakers field Ca. "Steven M. Cohen" wrote: > If you are dealing with green bottleneck or blue bottleneck flies, they are > attracted to natural gas, butane, methane and propane. In fact, when they > collect in an area in a conspicuous manner, it reliably indicates a gas > leak. The bottleneck flies, or "bottle" flies look like the common > housefly, except for a metalic green or metalic blue sheen. You can > probably get a load of info, and probably some pictures off the web. Try > these "buzz words" [excuse the pun]: calliphoridae, Lucilia cuprina, > diptera, Phaenicia Sericata, Calliphora Vicina. What you pull up will help > you identify the "pest" in your home. Now, if these evil monsters you seek > to drown in beer turn out to help you identify a potentially fatal gas leak, > maybe you will re-think the fate of God's winged creatures .... > > Jim wrote in message ... > >I want to half-fill some beer bottles with something that will attract them > >to drown them. Something that won't bother me though. > > > >Or....is there something they really hate that I could put around that > >would keep them away? > > > >Can't understand why they stay, I'm keeping the place really clean, garbage > >taken out, food put away, etc etc. > > > >Jim > > From viceroy at anu.ie Thu Jul 22 12:17:57 1999 From: viceroy at anu.ie (Anne Kilmer) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:17:57 +0100 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: , <37973B9F.E849880A@Netxn.com> Message-ID: <37974435.9C78B264@anu.ie> They are looking for dead animals, in which their larvae would develop. Dead animals give off methane and such. They also indicate where the dead rat is hiding behind the wallboard. "Joseph C. Tallon" wrote: > > Where do these two species of flys lay their eggs and develop > their larva in an urban environment? What is the range of the adults? Why are > the adults attracted to these gases and what > would be the common element in these gases? I hope I don't > seem too lazy by not following your suggestion on a search > Steven but thought I'd ask first and if you didn't have it on the top of you > head I will research and post the answers.. Thanks > Joseph Tallon , Bakers field Ca. > > "Steven M. Cohen" wrote: > > > If you are dealing with green bottleneck or blue bottleneck flies, they are > > attracted to natural gas, butane, methane and propane. In fact, when they > > collect in an area in a conspicuous manner, it reliably indicates a gas > > leak. The bottleneck flies, or "bottle" flies look like the common > > housefly, except for a metalic green or metalic blue sheen. You can > > probably get a load of info, and probably some pictures off the web. Try > > these "buzz words" [excuse the pun]: calliphoridae, Lucilia cuprina, > > diptera, Phaenicia Sericata, Calliphora Vicina. What you pull up will help > > you identify the "pest" in your home. Now, if these evil monsters you seek > > to drown in beer turn out to help you identify a potentially fatal gas leak, > > maybe you will re-think the fate of God's winged creatures .... > > > > Jim wrote in message ... > > >I want to half-fill some beer bottles with something that will attract them > > >to drown them. Something that won't bother me though. > > > > > >Or....is there something they really hate that I could put around that > > >would keep them away? > > > > > >Can't understand why they stay, I'm keeping the place really clean, garbage > > >taken out, food put away, etc etc. > > > > > >Jim > > > From pamcohen at adelphia.net Thu Jul 22 12:10:55 1999 From: pamcohen at adelphia.net (Steven M. Cohen) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:10:55 GMT Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: , , <37973B9F.E849880A@Netxn.com> Message-ID: I am not up on my calliphorids, so hopefully a real expert will add more useful info. I can tell you that these flies are attracted to carrion - they are the first to find road kill - and fecies [the expression "attracted to it like flies to s _ _ _ " applies to the bottle flies to the extreme] - and their larvae love corpses of all kinds. On an interesting note, their lavae, or maggots, are used medicinally to clean up festering wounds. They only eat dead tissue and leave healthy tissue alone. Their range is very wide, but I cannot give you the parameters. I know I have seen them throughout the northeast, from Maine to Pennsylvania, but I haven't paid very close attention. I would guess they were nationwide, at least. I am only guessing here, but decaying flesh gives off gasses [odors] which calliphorids probably use to home in on their meals. These bugs most likely detect fuel gas in much the same way, and expect a nice ripe carcass near gas leaks. All gasses of the type we are talking about have several elements in common, including hydrogen, oxygen and carbon. It's been too long since I've looked at organic chemistry, so I'll stop here before I mis-classify something. Hopefully a chemistry buff will come to the rescue. Let me know what your research uncovers. Good luck. Joseph C. Tallon wrote in message <37973B9F.E849880A at Netxn.com>... >Where do these two species of flys lay their eggs and develop >their larva in an urban environment? What is the range of the adults? Why are >the adults attracted to these gases and what >would be the common element in these gases? I hope I don't >seem too lazy by not following your suggestion on a search >Steven but thought I'd ask first and if you didn't have it on the top of you >head I will research and post the answers.. Thanks >Joseph Tallon , Bakers field Ca. From jbwalsh at u.arizona.edu Thu Jul 22 13:09:24 1999 From: jbwalsh at u.arizona.edu (Bruce Walsh) Date: 22 Jul 99 10:09:24 -0700 Subject: Mothing in SE Arizona Message-ID: <199907221703.KAA09782@trifid.u.arizona.edu> Last night's mothing at Pena Blanca Canyon, Santa Cruz Co, AZ With Bill M. and Harold B (your hosts for the Lep Soc mothing trip) Sphingidae (Hawkmoths) --- species numbers and diversity down, but still early in the season 5 Carolina sphinx -- Manduca sexta 3 Rustic sphinx -- Manduca rustica 2 Muscosa sphinx (Manduca muscosa ) 1 Great ash sphinx (Sphinx chersis ) 1 Doll's sphinx (Sphinx dollii ) 4 Small-eyed sphinx (Paonias myops) 1 Falcon sphinx (Xylophanes falco) 20 White-lined sphinx (Hyles lineata) Saturniidae (Silkmoths) !!!!! 4 Cincta silkmoth (Rothschildia cincta) 10 Oculea silkmoth (Antheraea oculea) 1 Iris eyed silkmoth (Automeris iris) 100 + Cecrops eyed silkmoth (Automeris cecrops panima) 30 Western Imperial (Eacles oslari) 20 Splendid royal moth (Citheronia splendens) 50 Hubbard's small silkmoth (Sphingicampa hubbardi) 10 Montata small silkmoth (Sphingicampa montana) Apatelodidae (Apatelodid Moths) 20 Apatelodes pudefacta Lasiocampidae (Tent caterpillars and their (larger) relatives) 10 Dicogaster coronada 10 Tolype glenwoodii Other notables: 8 Lirimiris truncata ( Notodontidae ) 20 Gerrodes minatea (Noctuidae: Agaristinae) 30 Neumoegenia poetica (Noctuidae: Stiriinae) All species figured on SE Arizona moth webpage http://nitro.biosci.arizona.edu/zeeb/butterflies/mothlist.html Cheers Bruce Walsh University of Arizona From Kristina_Williams at pacsci.org Thu Jul 22 13:52:47 1999 From: Kristina_Williams at pacsci.org (Kristina Williams) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:52:47 -0700 Subject: What do houseflies really like? Message-ID: <89DDFD1FDEB0D211839D006094B9CFE30550AB@EXCHANGE> I'll never claim to be a chemist, but I believe that most heating type gasses are relatively odorless, which poses some danger as leaks are difficult to detect. So they add smelly chemicals such as mercaptans so that leaks are detectable by a smell unpleasant enough that people do something about it. (Skunks produce some of these mercaptans as well.). Supposedly, leaks in long pipelines can be detected by the presence of vultures (it's either black or turkey) circling over the leak as they would over a carcass. Vultures are easier to spot out in the open than flies, but maybe an enterprising entomologist will package flies (maybe in blue or green bottles) for sale at the local Home Depot so that home owners could find gas leaks... Kristina R. Williams Entomologist Pacific Science Center 200 2nd Ave. N. Seattle, WA 98109 kristina_williams at pacsci.org > ---------- > From: Steven M. Cohen > Reply To: pamcohen at adelphia.net > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 9:10 AM > To: leps-l at lists.yale.edu > Subject: Re: What do houseflies really like? > > Dear Joseph: > > I am not up on my calliphorids, so hopefully a real expert will add more > useful info. I can tell you that these flies are attracted to carrion - > they are the first to find road kill - and fecies [the expression > "attracted > to it like flies to s _ _ _ " applies to the bottle flies to the extreme] > - > and their larvae love corpses of all kinds. On an interesting note, their > lavae, or maggots, are used medicinally to clean up festering wounds. > They > only eat dead tissue and leave healthy tissue alone. Their range is very > wide, but I cannot give you the parameters. I know I have seen them > throughout the northeast, from Maine to Pennsylvania, but I haven't paid > very close attention. I would guess they were nationwide, at least. > I am only guessing here, but decaying flesh gives off gasses [odors] which > calliphorids probably use to home in on their meals. These bugs most > likely > detect fuel gas in much the same way, and expect a nice ripe carcass near > gas leaks. All gasses of the type we are talking about have several > elements in common, including hydrogen, oxygen and carbon. It's been too > long since I've looked at organic chemistry, so I'll stop here before I > mis-classify something. Hopefully a chemistry buff will come to the > rescue. > Let me know what your research uncovers. Good luck. > > Joseph C. Tallon wrote in message <37973B9F.E849880A at Netxn.com>... > >Where do these two species of flys lay their eggs and develop > >their larva in an urban environment? What is the range of the adults? Why > are > >the adults attracted to these gases and what > >would be the common element in these gases? I hope I don't > >seem too lazy by not following your suggestion on a search > >Steven but thought I'd ask first and if you didn't have it on the top of > you > >head I will research and post the answers.. Thanks > >Joseph Tallon , Bakers field Ca. > From bj at bcgroup.net Thu Jul 22 14:52:12 1999 From: bj at bcgroup.net (Brian Joyce) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:52:12 -0700 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <3797685C.C1A8F9A8@bcgroup.net> UNSUBSCRIBE LEPS-L From rcjohnsen at aol.com Thu Jul 22 15:44:44 1999 From: rcjohnsen at aol.com (Rcjohnsen) Date: 22 Jul 1999 19:44:44 GMT Subject: Funereal Duskywing Q. References: <379641DF.EFCE7564@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990722154444.26084.00000102@ng-fp1.aol.com> Greetings all! I am trying to find the account for the Funereal Duskwing (Erynnis funeralis) in Scott's book but am having no luck. Is this a new species name? Does anyone know what this butterfly could have formerly been known as? Thanks! >> Peterson Field Guides on Western Butterflies gives the following account on page 401 FUNEREAL DUSKYWING Erynnis funeralis Pl. 38 1 5/~16~ in. (33-38 mm). Forewing narrow and pointed. Hindwing more or less triangular. Upperside: Black. Forewing with brown patch at end of cell. Hindwing outer margin with white fringe. SIimilar species: (I) Mournful Duskywing has broader forewings and submarginal white band on underside of hindwing. (2) Other white-fringed duskywings also have broader forewings and most lack reddish brown discal patch on forewing. EARIY STAGES: Caterpillar is pale green with yellow subdorsal stripe, dark mid-dorsal stripe, blue below, and black head. FOOD: Legumes such as New Mexican locust, bush lotis, alfalfa, and many other legumes. FLIGHT: Feb.?Sept. in s. Calif., all year in se. Ariz. (3 or more flights). RANGE: Resident from deep Southwest south through mainland tropical Amer. to Argentina. Strays north to ne. Neb., cen. Colo., s. Nev., n. Calif., and n. Ill. HABITAT: Desert washes, foothill ravines, gardens, alfalfa fields, and other open, generally arid locales. REMARKS: Males perch along dry washes or adjacent flats, periodically flying back and forth. Adults visit flowers avidly. Some consider this skipper a subspecies of the more eastern Zarucco Duskywing. Roger J. From rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam Thu Jul 22 15:57:29 1999 From: rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam (Rottwlrs2) Date: 22 Jul 1999 19:57:29 GMT Subject: What do you feed a Moth or Butterfly? Message-ID: <19990722155729.20895.00000115@ng-fe1.aol.com> What can feed a Moth or Butterfly? I have Butterfly flowers/bushes in my yard. But what can I feed - sugar water doesn't sound very nutritious. Is there a nectar that I can make that's better for them? Lisa From rcjohnsen at aol.com Thu Jul 22 16:09:35 1999 From: rcjohnsen at aol.com (Rcjohnsen) Date: 22 Jul 1999 20:09:35 GMT Subject: Strange Question - electrophoresis References: <60F1FEB31CA3D211A1B60008C7A45F43A41272@blaze.bcsc.gov.bc.ca> Message-ID: <19990722160935.26084.00000125@ng-fp1.aol.com> At first glance this question may not seem to be relevant to leps but bear with me - it is. some time over the past 2 years somebody mentioned to me that there is only a 2 % genetic difference between humans and chimpanzees. I would be eternally grateful if any of you can provide me with a citation of a publication for this observation - assuming this was published somewhere. The lep connection of course is that I am in the process of trying to decide how much weight to place on chemical differences in animals as an aid to deciding on species vs subspecies status. As everything else, I have heard differing opinions on this subject - and I find it useful to hear differing opinions before deciding what my own opinion will be. Even if not directly relevant to the human/chimp situation; please feel welcome to hold forth on the topic of electrophoresis/chemistry in taxonomy or give me a shout directly if you prefer. >> You might try Science 215:1525-1530,19 March(1982) The Origin of Man: A Chromosomal Pictorial Legacy. by Yunis and the cited papers by him 12. P. L. Deininger and C. W. Schmid, Sclence 194 846 (l976); R. E. Benveniste and G. T. Todaro, Narure (London) 261, 101 (1976). deal with renaturation kinetics of DNAs Roger J. From rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam Thu Jul 22 19:02:13 1999 From: rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam (Rottwlrs2) Date: 22 Jul 1999 23:02:13 GMT Subject: What do you feed a Moth or Butterfly? References: <19990722155729.20895.00000115@ng-fe1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990722190213.10186.00000245@ng-ff1.aol.com> Lisa From acynor at fullerton.edu Thu Jul 22 20:17:47 1999 From: acynor at fullerton.edu (Anthony W. Cynor) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:17:47 -0700 Subject: What do you feed a Moth or Butterfly? References: <19990722155729.20895.00000115@ng-fe1.aol.com> Message-ID: <3797B4AB.362401EE@fullerton.edu> > > What can feed a Moth or Butterfly? > > I have Butterfly flowers/bushes in my yard. But what can I feed - sugar water > doesn't sound very nutritious. Is there a nectar that I can make that's better > for them? > > Lisa Depends what you are looking for, if it is in captivity it isn"t but outside it is adequate since it would not be the only source. Tony From rnegus at cts.com Thu Jul 22 20:23:19 1999 From: rnegus at cts.com (Rick Negus) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <199907230023.RAA12662@neko.cts.com> UNSUBSCRIBE LEPS-L From be496 at lafn.org Thu Jul 22 20:33:51 1999 From: be496 at lafn.org (wanda) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:33:51 -0700 Subject: Moth Photos Message-ID: <3797B86F.4EDD6FDA@lafn.org> Thought this might be of interest to many.... Cheers, Wanda Dameron, L.A. Ca. Northern Prairie Webmaster wrote: > > Update -- Moths of North America has been updated to include additional photographs of several Noctuidae species. > Northern Prairie Web Team > npscweb at usgs.gov > http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov From jtuttle at fiaaz.net Thu Jul 22 22:26:41 1999 From: jtuttle at fiaaz.net (Tuttle) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:26:41 -0600 Subject: Eumorpha achemon trigon?????? Message-ID: <3797D2E1.4CB4@fiaaz.net> Does anyone know the citation for the type description of Eumorpha achemon trigon described from Arizona???? I have run out of places to look. Jim Tuttle From rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam Fri Jul 23 00:10:43 1999 From: rottwlrs2 at aol.comnospam (Rottwlrs2) Date: 23 Jul 1999 04:10:43 GMT Subject: What do you feed a Moth or Butterfly? References: <3797B4AB.362401EE@fullerton.edu> Message-ID: <19990723001043.10182.00000375@ng-ff1.aol.com> >Depends what you are looking for, if it is in captivity it isn"t but >outside it is adequate since it would not be the only source. Hi Tony, I found a Butterfly Nectar mix at the pet store. It's for this poor Giant Leopard Moth I found a few days ago - almost dead in our carport. She's doing better and is more active, especially after I feed her, and she has been laying eggs daily! But the poor thing tries to crawl, and doesn't really get anywhere, and then tries to fly, but just flutters her wings without getting off of the ground at all. I guess if they only live for 2 weeks, she's about near the end. I've gotten quite fond of her, even though I have 2 dogs and about 40 birds to care for already. I suppose I'll have quite a few Wooly Bear Caterpillars around in a few weeks. So do you know much about this type of moth? I'd like to help her as best as I can. Lisa From jkrogerSPAM_FILTER at earthlink.net Fri Jul 23 00:44:48 1999 From: jkrogerSPAM_FILTER at earthlink.net (Jim) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:44:48 -0500 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: , Message-ID: In article , "Steven M. Cohen" wrote: > If you are dealing with green bottleneck or blue bottleneck flies, they are > attracted to natural gas, butane, methane and propane. In fact, when they > collect in an area in a conspicuous manner, it reliably indicates a gas > leak. The bottleneck flies, or "bottle" flies look like the common > housefly, except for a metalic green or metalic blue sheen. You can > probably get a load of info, and probably some pictures off the web. Try > these "buzz words" [excuse the pun]: calliphoridae, Lucilia cuprina, > diptera, Phaenicia Sericata, Calliphora Vicina. What you pull up will help > you identify the "pest" in your home. Now, if these evil monsters you seek > to drown in beer turn out to help you identify a potentially fatal gas leak, > maybe you will re-think the fate of God's winged creatures .... > I ain't gonna rethink anything about these critters swarming in my house. I'm ready for Raid. They are the common, typical, black, hairy, land on your face housefly (no blue or green). Thanks for the advice. They flock on the kitchen floor, maybe five of 'em, and around the floor under the bathroom sink, and in the corner of my bedroom. Something attracts them to these areas, but I can't figure out what, they are spotless. Maybe it's mating season. Thanks Jim From MWalker at gensym.com Fri Jul 23 04:54:30 1999 From: MWalker at gensym.com (Mark Walker) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:54:30 -0400 Subject: My Favorite Butterfly Message-ID: <45F8A30CE009D2118F850000F805064D8FE4D5@hqmail.gensym.com> I've been uncharacteristically quiet, lately. Well, at least in ether land. In God's analog world, I'm just as loud as ever. I never thought that I'd ever stay on Tejon Pass long enough to consider it home, but now going on three weeks (and at least one visit to every single restaurant in the area), and I'm starting to look at gravesites. There are worse places to be buried - this is one that would at least be long on butterflies. Actually, I'm slated for burial at sea. It's a Navy thing. So I'm on my daily lunch time butterflying excursion. In the National Forest above Hungry Valley (appropriate for lunch hour) Recreational Vehicle Park. Lots of butterflies, as there have been for the past three weeks. I'm literally surrounded by Satyrium. S. saepium. S. sylvinus. S. californica. S. tetra. S. auretorum. It's a hairstreak heaven, and I'm in the middle of it. Yeah, it's a little warm outside, but up here at 4000 ft., it's 15 degrees F. cooler than down below. In the dead heat of noon, the butterflies tend to perch more than nectar. The Quercus dominate, along with the wild buckwheat. A quick rap on a Scrub Oak, and out fly the Coppers. There's only three flying today - Lycaena gorgon, L. arota, and L. heteronea. The Gorgon's are worn, but are of a consistently orange color. Plenty of Blues, too, including Marine, Square-spotted, Western Tailed, Melissa, and Acmon. The only checkered brush foot to be seen are an occasional Phyciodes mylitta. There were also a pair of Monarchs. Cercyonis sthenele is still the most common butterfly, flopping erratically about from buckwheat blossoms to the shady tree and shrub bottoms. Meanwhile, the California Sisters are freshly emerged, and flying from leaf to leaf - mostly favoring the Valley Oaks. I saw one having quite a difficult time with a dominating cousin, Limenitus lorquini - smaller, but quite aggressive and territorial. Another common Nymphalid - and still flying strong, though mostly tattered, are the Speyeria callippe macaria. A few Pierids can be seen - the most common being the Harford's Sulpher - a stunningly yellow butterfly with lightly colored marginal bands. These can be seen cruising up and down the canyons, but are best viewed while resting at the weedy bottom, where the dry creek bed spreads out over the motorcycle trails. A few males are freshly bright yellow. I also enjoyed a singleton Zerene eurydice (California Dogface), but he was in a big hurry - stopping only briefly below a large oak. Long enough to flash his purplish-pink iridescence at me. An occasional P. rapae and Pontia protodice (Checkered White). The Swallowtails are less common than a few weeks ago. No Two-Tailed today, but an occasional Tiger and Pale would surprise me as I hiked around a corner - they have a way of bopping you in the nose, gently. The net is rarely ready, and they know it. O.K., so after a wonderful hour of walking and watching and swinging and sweating, I strolled on over to one of the particularly scrubby Scrub Oaks. This one was literally covered with mistletoe. I had been thinking about it the whole time, as I usually do when I see the mistletoe. It's become an automatic reaction for me, you see, since the parasite's pest has unquestionably become my favorite butterfly. I've been perhaps unusually lucky, in a sort of ironic way, to have been able to see so many of them over the years - but recognize that "so many" is still but a rare few. About 1 and 1/2 per year, to be exact - except for when I can get to Florida (where I've found it quite common). You don't usually see it flying, for it likes to perch quickly. When it perches, it almost disappears - with it's gray-black scaling on the underwings. If you're lucky enough to see it perch within reach, you are stunned at the metallic gold, yellow, and green scaling near the tails. You also notice the characteristic red markings on the thorax and abdomen. And then, if you're lucky, you'll see it fly - flashing it's stunningly metallic blue upperside as if to hint of it's tropical roots. It's unlike anything else that we have in this part of the world - a royal beauty to be sure, and I always consider myself fortunate to see one. It's a blessing, and I know it as soon as it happens - it's always the same. The butterfly is always within two feet, and it always gives me good show. They're always nettable, but for some reason they can't be captured. There's a moment of frustration, and then a sense of peace - as I realize that this is precisely why I'm enduring the sun, the bugs, the twisted ankles. For just a brief but vivid moment, I get an intimate look at the handiwork of God's creation - just enough to convince me that I'm right where I'm supposed to be - that I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. And it's as if it were being presented to me personally - the grandest of guided tours. And then the Great Purple Hairstreak is gone - not on display for anyone else, just a vivid memory for me to file away - perhaps to retrieve and review when the things of life begin to pile up. On this day, I walked to the bush and looked down on the mistletoe (the oaks are stunted). As my eyes began to focus on the thick, dense Phoradendron, it took awhile for the pattern recognition to kick in. And there it was. Inches from my face. A large, fresh female Atlides ovipositing on the mistletoe. My jaw dropped, my heart pounded, and for a moment I could only watch. When I started to consider how I might capture this bug, I realized that there was no way it was going to happen - it was down an inch in the matted mistletoe, and there was no swinging a net in this stuff. Without thinking, I lightly tapped the branch - and watched the lady slowly fly upwards and perch on the oak, about 10 feet high. I reached my net up, so that the rim was but a few inches from the branch she was perching on. I knew I couldn't swing strong enough - I had only two inches of net handle in my swinging hand. I looked up at her, and once again acknowledged my blessed predicament. As I nodded upward, the blue beauty took off towards another tree and disappeared in the canopy. I chuckled, and then I sighed. An electric chill ran up my spine. Another perfect day. Mark Walker Still Best Resting in Frazier Park. From mrcanter at aol.com Fri Jul 23 09:16:40 1999 From: mrcanter at aol.com (Mrcanter) Date: 23 Jul 1999 13:16:40 GMT Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: Message-ID: <19990723091640.25208.00000558@ng-cr1.aol.com> Where are all of these flies coming from? They have to be either coming in through some opening, which would have to be open a lot for a large number of flies to keep appearing .... or they are growing somewhere in your house. Last summer my sister (who keeps an immaculate house) had them. Turns out they were growing in the drain pan to the refrigerator. Unless there is an abundance of flies outside of your house and/or you leave the doors and windows open a lot, maybe something similar to this is happening at your house. If so, you will have flies until the food source for the maggots runs out, or until you find it. Good luck.. Jodi From BlizzardSystems at Netxn.com Fri Jul 23 12:31:58 1999 From: BlizzardSystems at Netxn.com (Joseph C. Tallon) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:31:58 -0700 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: , <37973B9F.E849880A@Netxn.com>, Message-ID: <379898FD.8AB3DCE4@Netxn.com> Thank you Steven If I know the source of the adults (rotting tissue not garbage) and the source of what is attracting the adults (rotting tissue or gas leak) then I can eliminate the infestation by removing these. What we don't know is the distance that the adults will fly from the first source to the second. Is it ten yards, hundred yards, thousand yards or ten thousand yards. Keeping in mind the urban setting. When this question was addressed for the subterranean termite they captured, marked and released the workers and then recaptured them. They found marked insects a hundred yards away. I suspect that the flies range will be to great to be able to seek and eliminate the original source. I have been working on my fly problem with my mules for the last couple of seasons mostly repellents, trapping and exclusion. I am on five acres in a combination residential and large animals zoning. If I started a neighborhood fly program how large of an area would this be? I believe neighborhood IPM would work for some insects such as termites and mosquitos why not flies? Jim I read your last post saying it is not the green or bluebottle fly so I suggest that you get a positive ID from the ext. or university then you will know their source, range, and other preferences maybe? Question : Do we really want to eliminate these very beneficial decomposers from everywhere except our immediate living and eating areas? I guess it is a good thing that pest control cannot eradicate and can only control. Joseph Talon Bakers field Ca. "Steven M. Cohen" wrote: > Dear Joseph: > > I am not up on my calliphorids, so hopefully a real expert will add more > useful info. I can tell you that these flies are attracted to carrion - > they are the first to find road kill - and fecies [the expression "attracted > to it like flies to s _ _ _ " applies to the bottle flies to the extreme] - > and their larvae love corpses of all kinds. On an interesting note, their > lavae, or maggots, are used medicinally to clean up festering wounds. They > only eat dead tissue and leave healthy tissue alone. Their range is very > wide, but I cannot give you the parameters. I know I have seen them > throughout the northeast, from Maine to Pennsylvania, but I haven't paid > very close attention. I would guess they were nationwide, at least. > I am only guessing here, but decaying flesh gives off gasses [odors] which > calliphorids probably use to home in on their meals. These bugs most likely > detect fuel gas in much the same way, and expect a nice ripe carcass near > gas leaks. All gasses of the type we are talking about have several > elements in common, including hydrogen, oxygen and carbon. It's been too > long since I've looked at organic chemistry, so I'll stop here before I > mis-classify something. Hopefully a chemistry buff will come to the rescue. > Let me know what your research uncovers. Good luck. > > Joseph C. Tallon wrote in message <37973B9F.E849880A at Netxn.com>... > >Where do these two species of flys lay their eggs and develop > >their larva in an urban environment? What is the range of the adults? Why > are > >the adults attracted to these gases and what > >would be the common element in these gases? I hope I don't > >seem too lazy by not following your suggestion on a search > >Steven but thought I'd ask first and if you didn't have it on the top of > you > >head I will research and post the answers.. Thanks > >Joseph Tallon , Bakers field Ca. From sheri at butterflywings.com Fri Jul 23 12:49:03 1999 From: sheri at butterflywings.com (Sheri Moreau) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:49:03 -0700 Subject: What and how to feed an adult butterfly Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990723094903.00837cf0@mailhost.mbay.net> I have Butterfly flowers/bushes in my yard. But what can I feed - sugar water doesn't sound very nutritious. Is there a nectar that I can make that's better for them? -------------------------------- Buddleia (butterfly bush) is one of the very best nectar sources there is: custom designed for a butterfly's health, you might say! If you're keeping butterflies in captivity, and wanting to feed them on artificial nectar sources, sugar water may not sound nutritious to you, but to a short lived butterfly, it's exactly what they need. You can further supplement with scored fruit slices, such as apples, watermelon, banana, other melons, strawberries, etc. Mourning Cloaks (Nymphalis antiopa) absolutely MUST have a variety of fruit to provide them with the nutrients they need for their longer life. You can also feed them grape Gatorade and/or Koala kiwi/orange drink, believe it or not! Bear in mind that many adult moths don't eat at all (the Saturnidae family of wild silk moths, for example) and have no or only vestigial mouth parts. Feed them 20% sugar or fructose water (some people say 10% is okay) with a scanty drop of yellow or red food coloring. Specifically, one part ordinary white sugar + 4 parts water. Don't use tap water: use purchased drinking water. DON'T use honey water--it ferments rapidly and grows harmful bacteria. You can also buy premixed butterfly nectar powder in any Nature Company and many Wild Birds Unlimited stores that supposedly has extra nutrients added. (Before you start into the directions in the next paragraph: What kind of butterfly are you trying to feed, and how are you containing it, anyhow? If it is a Painted Lady or other small butterfly, DON'T PICK IT UP!! Simply confine it in a large, walk-in enclosure {mine is 625 square feet} or if you must, a netted cage or a large Kritter Keeper or aquarium with the feeder, and nudge it over to the feeder. Smaller butterflies figure out feeding dishes on their own. Swallowtails and Monarchs usually won't, but since they're bigger butterflies with strong wings, it's okay to pick them up. Butterflies kept in large, walk-in enclosures will find the artificial feeders on their own. It's the ones in smaller confined spaces that get disoriented and never locate the feeder and eventually starve to death.) To make a butterfly feeder suitable for 1-3 butterflies: Take the plastic screw-off lid from a bottle of water (or similar size bottle) and rinse it out, and turn it open side up and insert a cotton ball. Add the nectar solution. Pick up the butterfly and put its feet on the saturated cotton ball (butterflies taste with their feet). If it's hungry enough, it may get the idea, but sometimes you have to show it that there's really food in this non-flower-looking device! While still holding the butterfly's wings closed with its feet on the cotton ball, use a toothpick to gently unroll the proboscis (curly tongue) and touch it to the cotton ball. That's generally all it takes, and you can let go of the wings. You will actually be able to observe the abdomen get plumper. A skinny, wrinkled abdomen means you butterfly is near death from starvation. Good luck!! Sheri From nigel at leslie-south.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jul 23 17:22:48 1999 From: nigel at leslie-south.freeserve.co.uk (Annette Leslie-South) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:22:48 +0100 Subject: Selection of Livestock Message-ID: <7nammt$js5$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Dear All Below is a selection of some of the Livestock we have for sale: Argema mittrei Cocoons ?12.50 Each, 3 @ ?11.50 Each, 10 @ ?10.00 Each Leopa Katinka Cocoons ?2.95 Each Bramaea wallichi Pupae ?3.50 Each Peacock (Inachis io) Pupae ?1.50 Each Papilio hippocrates: Pupae ?2.95 Parnassius glacius 12 Ova ?19.50 Euphydryas aurina 10 Larvae ?4.50 Aporia crataegi 10 Larvae ?4.95 Pontia daplidice Pupae ?1.50 Chequered Blue (S. orion) Pupae ?1.95 Erebia ligea 12 Ova ?5.95 Erebia claudina 12 Ova ?19.50, Rare Pandorina pandora ?12 Ova ?7.95 Brenthis daphne 12 Ova ?4.95 Saturnidae: Antheraea oculiae 12 Ova ?4.95 Willowherb Hawk (P. proserpina) Pupae ?2.95 Each Postage and Packing: 75p Inland Overseas - Approximately ?1.50 Payment can be made by Credit Cards for larger amounts by: Visa Mastercard and Eurocard; English cheques drawn on an English Bank or by International Money Order. Our Address: Nigel South, Butterfly Connections, Breeding Centre, Silver Street, Misterton, Crewkerne, Somerset TA18 8NH, England. Tel: (44) 1460 73586. Fax (+44) 1460 78444. E-Mail: nigel at leslie-south.freeserve.co.uk From hobuss at worldnet.att.net Fri Jul 23 19:59:16 1999 From: hobuss at worldnet.att.net (rjb) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:59:16 -0600 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: <37973B9F.E849880A@Netxn.com>, , <379898FD.8AB3DCE4@Netxn.com> Message-ID: <7navs3$i2m$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Joseph C. Tallon wrote in message <379898FD.8AB3DCE4 at Netxn.com>... >Thank you Steven If I know the source of the adults (rotting tissue not >garbage) and the source of what is attracting >the adults (rotting tissue or gas leak) then I can eliminate the >infestation by removing these. (deleted stuff) >"Steven M. Cohen" wrote: (deleted lots) >> I am only guessing here, but decaying flesh gives off gasses [odors] which >> calliphorids probably use to home in on their meals. These bugs most likely >> detect fuel gas in much the same way, and expect a nice ripe carcass near >> gas leaks. All gasses of the type we are talking about have several >> elements in common, including hydrogen, oxygen and carbon. It's been too >> long since I've looked at organic chemistry, so I'll stop here before I >> mis-classify something. Hopefully a chemistry buff will come to the rescue. >> Let me know what your research uncovers. Good luck. Well, I am no expert on this, but speaking as a chemist, my guess is that the flies are detecting sulfur compounds. Decaying protein often develops odoriferous (to us humans) sulfur compounds from the sulfur-containing amino acids (eg. cysteine). Natural gas and propane have sulfur compounds added to give them an odor that humans can detect. It is possible that the bluebottle flies associate the mercaptans and sulfides that we added to the propane with their favorite foods. Rick From allyn at teleport.com Sat Jul 24 00:40:04 1999 From: allyn at teleport.com (Allyn Weaks) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 21:40:04 -0700 Subject: Infant caterpillar help needed Message-ID: A clutch of caterpillar eggs hatched out under my microscope last night, and I'd like some help with ID and how to raise them. I posted about the eggs last night on s.b.e.misc because I didn't know if they were leps, but know I at least know that much. Quoted bits are from that other post. > I'm in Seattle, WA. [snip] > Eggs bright yellow, about 3/4 mm in diameter, ovoid, and flat on the > bottom where attached to the leaf. About as tall as wide. 25 were laid, > roughly in rows mostly three in a row, sometimes four. A few are > touching, but most are separated by about the radius of an egg. The > surface is shiny, with a few shiny warts of varied size, mostly low on the > eggs. There are also shallow grooves a bit like dry clay fractures, but > not jagged. [snip] Timeline: Sunday -found eggs on himalayan blackberry (Rubus discolor), brought them inside Thursday 11pm - faces and hairs had developed, mandibles moving Friday 2.30 am - first break in shell 3am - first hatchling out 5.10am - second one out (very slow, took 45 minutes once his head fit through the hole) 5.30am - two more are out 7am - everyone out (20 out of 25 eggs, 5 never developed) most of the 'pillars came out very quickly (a minute or two) once the holes were big enough. I dunno what #2's problem was. There were three eggs that probably hadn't been fertilized, and two that had been damaged. A few of the 'pillars ate parts of them, and nibbled on some of the empty shells, too. The caterpillars: ~2.5 mm long, 1/4 mm wide. Yellow, but paler than the fresh eggs. Long (rough, about 1.5mm long) black hairs on back; come from large bumps (warts? tubercles?) From the 'spine' down on each segment, there are three big bumps on each side, each with at least one black hair. After 12 hours out of the eggs, the bumps are starting to darken into a sort-of olive green, with a lighter ring where the hair comes out. Then an almost invisible spiricle, then more bumps with clear hairs (shorter than the black ones), but I can't count completely or see well without killing one. There are a few shorter clear hairs on top--so hard to see I can't get a good count of them. Looks like they might come from teenier bumps closer to the 'spine'. The black hairs come singly from the bumps except on the thoracic segments, topmost bumps, which have two each. There's some individual variation for whether a hair is black or clear, and one has extra hairs on the 4th abdomenal segment, top bump. Prolegs are nearly as long as the real (segmented) legs, ~1/4 mm Head is shiny, with diffuse dark patches reminicent of large compound eyes, then a break, then dark again at the ocelli. 4? ocelli each side Mandible tips are red with 4 or maybe 5 teeth. When the light hits them just right, they are shiny ruby red, otherwise with a slight brown tinge Haven't found a food preference yet. They are just starting to move away from the eggs (less dispersal than moving to the other side of the nearly dried up blackberry leaf). I forcibly removed one from the group earlier and put it on a thimbleberry leaf (R. parviflorus, native here), near small fragments of thimbleberry and blackberry (so edges would be available to munch). Seemed to like to crawl on the edges, showed no preference for either species, and didn't eat either. It's now sitting still underneath the thimbleberry fragment (pining for his sibs?) I'd prefer to feed thimbleberry, since when I found the eggs, I'd already chopped down all but a few leaves of the blackberry, and I can't count on a pesticide-free source of it as fodder. How long do caterpillars usually go before they start to eat? How long before they have to eat? What else should I try giving them? There are darned few other plants near that blackberry bush, so if Mom thought the kids could walk to a tastier plant, I suspect she'd been drinking the wrong nectar :-). For now I have them in a container with thimbleberry, some blackberry, birch, and a weed or two. I can add a few other mostly pnw native tree and shrub leaves to the mix if need be. But at least for now, they seem more interested in lurking than hunting for dinner. Many thanks for any help in getting them to adulthood! (Or even the second instar :-)) -- Allyn Weaks allyn at teleport.com Seattle WA, USDA zone 7/8 Pacific NW Native Plant Gardening: http://www.teleport.com/~allyn/natives/ My email address is in WA State. If you don't want to pay me the $500 I can legally collect, don't send me UCE/spam. From donald.davis at utoronto.ca Sat Jul 24 03:08:05 1999 From: donald.davis at utoronto.ca (Donald A. Davis) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 07:08:05 GMT Subject: Buckeyes in Ontario Message-ID: <37996655.A9EC3386@utoronto.ca> The invasion continues. One was spotted this week 75 km east of Toronto at Darlington Provincial Park, and two more 150 km east of Toronto on the north shore of Lake Ontario at Presqu'ile Provincial Park. The Toronto Rare Bird Hotline reported tonight that the first-ever buckeye reached Algonquin Provincial Park this week. For those unfamiliar with Algonquin, its about a 3.5 to 4 hour drive north of Toronto, a huge wilderness park of mixed forests, rocky hills and outcroppings, bears, wolves, moose, etc. Don Davis Toronto, ON From donald.davis at utoronto.ca Sat Jul 24 03:13:53 1999 From: donald.davis at utoronto.ca (Donald A. Davis) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 07:13:53 GMT Subject: Monarch Tags Now Available Message-ID: <379967B0.3AB29217@utoronto.ca> The tags are here! It is time to order your tags if you haven't already. We are expecting a good Monarch migration this year so be prepared and send in your orders now. Large numbers of new adults are beginning to emerge in the northern states and those females will lay the eggs (mostly from 20 July - 5 August) that give rise to the migratory generation. Overall, the migration in 1999 should be better than in 1998 but the migrants will probably be less abundant than in 1996 and 1997 both of which were extraordinary years for Monarchs. Monarch Watch sends out tags to participants in states East of the Rockies. The tagging membership is $12.00 and after becoming a member you can purchase sets of 96 additional tags for $5.00 (prices are in US funds). We will begin sending out tags the first week in August and we will be accepting orders for tags through October 10th. If you live in a state with a Regional Coordinator (AR, IN, KY, MI, MN, MS, MO, NY, NC, OH, OK, PA, TN, TX, WV or Canada), your tag orders can be sent to them. All the regional coordinators addresses and contact information are listed below. Please note that coordinators do not sell other Monarch Watch items (with the exception of Dr. Oberhauser in MN); so only send them your tagging orders and send orders for all other items directly to Monarch Watch at the address below. Order forms are available on our Web site at www.MonarchWatch.org, by calling 1-888-TAGGING (US only) or in Canada 1-785-864-4441, or by emailing monarch at ukans.edu. If you are planning on using left over tags from last year, you should know that using old tags is discouraged because the shelf-life of the tag adhesive is only one year and because it makes tracking the tags much more difficult. Thank you to all the loyal participants that tag Monarchs every year, this should be a great year for tagging and we are looking forward to a busy season. Dana Wilfong Program Assistant MONARCH WATCH REGIONAL COORDINATORS: Arkansas Jim Edson Univ. of Arkansas at Monticello Div. of Math & Sciences Monticello, AR 71656-3480 1.870.460.1966 or 1.800.844.1054 Edson at uamont.edu Check payable to: AR Monarch Watch Indiana Donald B. Fisher 6356 N. Kingsley Dr. Indianapolis, IN 46220-2184 1.317.475.9770 Make your check payable to: Donald B. Fisher Kentucky Western KY Sondra Cabell Audubon State Park 3100 US 41 North, P.O. 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Taylor, Dept. of Entomology, 7005 Haworth Hall, Univ. of KS, Lawrence KS 66045 From jkrogerSPAM_FILTER at earthlink.net Sat Jul 24 11:04:51 1999 From: jkrogerSPAM_FILTER at earthlink.net (Jim) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:04:51 -0500 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: , <19990723091640.25208.00000558@ng-cr1.aol.com> Message-ID: In article <19990723091640.25208.00000558 at ng-cr1.aol.com>, mrcanter at aol.com (Mrcanter) wrote: > Where are all of these flies coming from? They have to be either coming in > through some opening, which would have to be open a lot for a large number of > flies to keep appearing .... or they are growing somewhere in your house. Last > summer my sister (who keeps an immaculate house) had them. Turns out they were > growing in the drain pan to the refrigerator. Unless there is an abundance of > flies outside of your house and/or you leave the doors and windows open a lot, > maybe something similar to this is happening at your house. If so, you will > have flies until the food source for the maggots runs out, or until you find > it. Good luck.. > > Jodi Thanks. There are three spots they accumulate. I'll check them. Jim From drdn at mail.utexas.edu Sat Jul 24 02:43:24 1999 From: drdn at mail.utexas.edu (Chris J. Durden) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:43:24 -0500 Subject: Buckeyes in Ontario In-Reply-To: <37996655.A9EC3386@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990724014324.007efd90@mail.utexas.edu> Don, I took a worn *Precis g. coenia* - COMMON BUCKEYE at the park incinerator in 1954 or 1955. It is the basis of the record in the 1963 checklist of butterflies of Algonquin Park. I shall check the specimen next week for the exact date. In 1954 the park was swarming with monarchs and I was feeding them to pet ravens and wondering why they did not vomit. Later that year I visited Dr. Urquhart and he told me about the catbirds that ate wintering monarchs (only the ones with tags) at Lighthouse Point near the Appalachicola River, Florida. The birds beat the scientists by many years with the discovery that northern monarchs are less toxic than southern! ...........Chris Durden, Austin TX At 07:08 24/07/99 GMT, you wrote: >The invasion continues. One was spotted this week 75 km east of Toronto >at Darlington Provincial Park, and two more 150 km east of Toronto on >the north shore of Lake Ontario at Presqu'ile Provincial Park. > >The Toronto Rare Bird Hotline reported tonight that the first-ever >buckeye reached Algonquin Provincial Park this week. For those >unfamiliar with Algonquin, its about a 3.5 to 4 hour drive north of >Toronto, a huge wilderness park of mixed forests, rocky hills and >outcroppings, bears, wolves, moose, etc. > >Don Davis >Toronto, ON > > From BlizzardSystems at Netxn.com Sat Jul 24 16:28:34 1999 From: BlizzardSystems at Netxn.com (Joseph C. Tallon) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:28:34 -0700 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: , <379898FD.8AB3DCE4@Netxn.com>, <7navs3$i2m$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <379A21F1.87D29BFC@Netxn.com> Rick form this we can conclude that these flies are not attracted to natural unoderized gas leaks like landfill methane collecting systems or natural leaks in the oil field business. Is anyone aware of this being a problem ? I am personally aware of having a blu/greenbottle fly problem in a residence and discovering a gas leak. They are somewhat rare in So. Cal as urban pests...Joseph Tallon rjb wrote: > Joseph C. Tallon wrote in message <379898FD.8AB3DCE4 at Netxn.com>... > >Thank you Steven If I know the source of the adults (rotting tissue not > >garbage) and the source of what is attracting > >the adults (rotting tissue or gas leak) then I can eliminate the > >infestation by removing these. > (deleted stuff) > >"Steven M. Cohen" wrote: > (deleted lots) > > >> I am only guessing here, but decaying flesh gives off gasses [odors] > which > >> calliphorids probably use to home in on their meals. These bugs most > likely > >> detect fuel gas in much the same way, and expect a nice ripe carcass near > >> gas leaks. All gasses of the type we are talking about have several > >> elements in common, including hydrogen, oxygen and carbon. It's been too > >> long since I've looked at organic chemistry, so I'll stop here before I > >> mis-classify something. Hopefully a chemistry buff will come to the > rescue. > >> Let me know what your research uncovers. Good luck. > > Well, I am no expert on this, but speaking as a chemist, my guess is that > the flies are detecting sulfur compounds. Decaying protein often develops > odoriferous (to us humans) sulfur compounds from the sulfur-containing amino > acids (eg. cysteine). Natural gas and propane have sulfur compounds added > to give them an odor that humans can detect. It is possible that the > bluebottle flies associate the mercaptans and sulfides that we added to the > propane with their favorite foods. > Rick From hobuss at worldnet.att.net Sat Jul 24 20:22:49 1999 From: hobuss at worldnet.att.net (rjb) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:22:49 -0600 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: <379898FD.8AB3DCE4@Netxn.com>, <7navs3$i2m$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, <379A21F1.87D29BFC@Netxn.com> Message-ID: <7ndkvi$ov0$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Joseph C. Tallon wrote in message <379A21F1.87D29BFC at Netxn.com>... >Rick form this we can conclude that these flies are not >attracted to natural unoderized gas leaks like landfill methane >collecting systems or natural leaks in the oil field business. Is anyone aware >of this being a problem ? I am personally aware >of having a blu/greenbottle fly problem in a residence and discovering a gas >leak. They are somewhat rare in So. Cal as >urban pests...Joseph Tallon > I am only guessing about the sulfur compounds being what attracts the flies. Seems unlikely to me that they can detect CH4, C3H8 etc because these molecules are not very reactive. A sensor generally binds the molecule to a receptor site and CH4 doesn't have a handle. As to natural sources of gas, we had a natural gas ground leak in the neighborhood where I grew up with an eternal burn-off flame. Whenever the flame blew out, the neighborhood reeked. That gas had odor. Never knew whether it was natural sulfur content or an additive. I am guessing that if you release chemically pure methane or propane, the bluebottles would not be interested. If I had some flies available here, I'd give it a try! Rick From pamcohen at adelphia.net Sat Jul 24 20:49:19 1999 From: pamcohen at adelphia.net (Steven M. Cohen) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:49:19 GMT Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: <7navs3$i2m$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, <379A21F1.87D29BFC@Netxn.com>, <7ndkvi$ov0$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: Do you know what gas is given off my decaying animals or fecies? We certainly know it has a distinct odor, but what gas or gasses would it be? rjb wr From BlizzardSystems at Netxn.com Sat Jul 24 21:46:50 1999 From: BlizzardSystems at Netxn.com (Joseph C. Tallon) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:46:50 -0700 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: <379A21F1.87D29BFC@Netxn.com>, <7ndkvi$ov0$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Message-ID: <379A6C8A.2AEA4300@Netxn.com> vicinity of the tree, these insects will collect in that one spot" borrowed from Dr. Edbling book Subtropical Entomology 1950. "Steven M. Cohen" wrote: > Rick: > > Do you know what gas is given off my decaying animals or fecies? We > certainly know it has a distinct odor, but what gas or gasses would it be? > > rjb wr From danausakai at aol.com Sat Jul 24 23:22:01 1999 From: danausakai at aol.com (DanauSakai) Date: 25 Jul 1999 03:22:01 GMT Subject: Red Gum lerp psyllid References: <379c2be9.6389764@nntp.loop.com> Message-ID: <19990724232201.28098.00001482@ng-fh1.aol.com> Juan This is only the tip of the ice berg. There are at least a half dozen other psillids, two weevils, and a long horned beetles now attacking eucs. What really needs to be done is for public officials to demand that the state and feds do a better job checking for such introductions. The problem came when potted eucs were brought into CA and not quarantined, fumigated, or sprayed (although the long horned beetle came in with logs). Oh yeah, sorry I am not up on control methods, although I understand we have them on our campus as well. Walt Walter H. Sakai Professor of Biology Research Associate Santa Monica College Entomology Section 1900 Pico Blvd L.A. Co. Museum of Natural History Santa Monica, CA 90405-1628 Tele: (310)434-4702 <== FAX: (310)434-3624 <== Emails: sakai_walter at smc.edu; DanauSakai at aol.com From MYTZ14A at prodigy.com Sun Jul 25 08:49:16 1999 From: MYTZ14A at prodigy.com (Sunsol Daniels) Date: 25 Jul 1999 12:49:16 GMT Subject: Red Gum lerp psyllid References: <379c2be9.6389764@nntp.loop.com> Message-ID: <7nf14c$3has$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> > >Hello, >Is anyone out there involved with the Red Gum lerp psyllid? I saw something about this on the news. I was very confused. They were talking about eucalyptus. I thought eucalptus was blue gum and liquidambar was red gum. Lerp! What is lerp? Sally From hobuss at worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 25 09:06:20 1999 From: hobuss at worldnet.att.net (rjb) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 07:06:20 -0600 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: <379A21F1.87D29BFC@Netxn.com>, <7ndkvi$ov0$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Message-ID: <7nf1ma$106$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Steven, I'm not that kind of chemist, but I remember from years ago that several decomposition products from amino acid degradation have some of the most distinct odors (to human noses). IIRC, the amino acid tryptophane, for example, is converted in the human intestine to methylindole (aka skatole) which has a distinct odor of feces. I think that an insect like Nicrophorus or Phanaeus would have a lot of molecules to choose from. I have not read any beetle papers (never see diptera papers) identifying what molecules they home in on, but I would be surprised if no one has looked at this. The insect's strategy might be more sophisticated than choosing a single molecule. I recall reading that some scolytid bark beetles look for the combination of chemicals from a wounded conifer together with pheromones from already arrived scolytids. The combination is irresistable. Rick Steven M. Cohen wrote in message ... >Rick: > >Do you know what gas is given off my decaying animals or fecies? We >certainly know it has a distinct odor, but what gas or gasses would it be? > >rjb wr > > From roger at pei.sympatico.ca Sun Jul 25 09:12:11 1999 From: roger at pei.sympatico.ca (Donald Rogerson) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 05:12:11 -0800 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: <379A21F1.87D29BFC@Netxn.com>, <7ndkvi$ov0$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Message-ID: Gentlemen, you have strayed from the Subject, carrion flys, blue bottles, etc., are not common house flys, these flys are seldom seem indoors, house flys are not attracted to road kill, they like to search your counter tops and tables for tiny food particles, they are attracted to sweets and prefer the food to be in a liquid state, another attraction of your house is that it is warm both night and day house flys like this, and there are no breeses blowing, under these conditions, house flys thrive, find mates, and enjoy our generous hospitality. This year I've reverted to the old fly catcher, remember them, a long brown, sticky strip that uncoiled from a small tube and was hung from the ceiling with a thumb tack? well they arn't that easy to find, but I did get my hands on half a dozen, and placed them inside a bristle board bird feeder I glued together, I don't think I've caught many flys as yet, but it's nontoxic. what I think I need is some type of food that the fly can not resist, but I have no idea what that might be, any suggestions.... Don R -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?b ****- Real Discussions for Real People From roger at pei.sympatico.ca Sun Jul 25 10:12:51 1999 From: roger at pei.sympatico.ca (Donald Rogerson) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 06:12:51 -0800 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: <379A21F1.87D29BFC@Netxn.com>, <7ndkvi$ov0$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Message-ID: Corcerning House Flys Take a look at www.actroninc.com it's not actronic it's actron inc..... Don R -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?b ****- Real Discussions for Real People From BlizzardSystems at Netxn.com Sun Jul 25 10:29:58 1999 From: BlizzardSystems at Netxn.com (Joseph C. Tallon) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 07:29:58 -0700 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: <7ndkvi$ov0$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, , Message-ID: <379B1F66.40A877DE@Netxn.com> Hello Donald, I to am working on non chemical fly control and have wondered why the domestic house fly can be seen on all types of food sources like food in your house or manure from the mules or dogs but they never lay eggs or at least I have never seen larva develop in these sources. If this is true how could sanitation of these materials limit fly populations, By reducing the food source of the adult ? Does the adult need a special food source to reproduce like the flea or mosquito? Their life span is only several weeks after they reach adult? And do you have an idea how far those adult fly you are catching on your glue strips have traveled from the source of their larval development. My thoughts are to explore a neighborhood fly program to limit fly on my mules and in my house I have been working with repellents, exclusion, non chemical sprays, sanitation, and traps I will post some of my results as soon as I figure out what they are. Preditory wasp release on the manure piles at a dairy do control fly but if the manure is not the source of the fly's development how do they control? Maybe they attack the adult as they "feed'' on this material.. Joe Talon Donald Regression wrote: > Gentlemen, you have strayed from the Subject, carrion flys, > > blue bottles, etc., are not common house flys, these flys > > are seldom seem indoors, house flys are not attracted to > > road kill, they like to search your counter tops and tables for > > tiny food particles, they are attracted to sweets and prefer the > > food to be in a liquid state, another attraction of your house is > > that it is warm both night and day house flys like this, and there > > are no breeses blowing, under these conditions, house flys > > thrive, find mates, and enjoy our generous hospitality. > > This year I've reverted to the old fly catcher, remember them, > > a long brown, sticky strip that uncoiled from a small tube and > > was hung from the ceiling with a thumb tack? well they arn't that > > easy to find, but I did get my hands on half a dozen, and placed > > them inside a bristle board bird feeder I glued together, I don't > > think I've caught many flys as yet, but it's nontoxic. what I > > think I need is some type of food that the fly can not resist, > > but I have no idea what that might be, any suggestions.... > > Don R > > -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?b ****- > Real Discussions for Real People From shubin at teleport.com Sun Jul 25 12:30:15 1999 From: shubin at teleport.com (Shubin) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:30:15 -0700 Subject: Buckeye livestock wanted Message-ID: <379B3B95.465541D1@teleport.com> Does anyone have the common Buckeye (Junonia coenia) as livestock? I would like to raise them. Also would like to raise the Lorquins Admiral (Limenitis lorquini), the California Sister(Adelpha bredowii), and the Great Spangled Fritillary (Speyeria cybele).Any sources for these would be appreciated. Andy in Vancouver, WA.USA From Spamhater at nospam.nyet Sun Jul 25 22:07:42 1999 From: Spamhater at nospam.nyet (Spamhater at nospam.nyet) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 02:07:42 GMT Subject: NOTICE TO ALL SPAMMERS- We have your number (NOT spam!) Message-ID: <379bc2db.2474116@netnews.worldnet.att.net> visit as well. We CAN do something about it! Go to www.spamcop.net and bust a spammer or two for free- have their internet accounts revoked! It takes only a few minutes to register (again, it's free!) and a few seconds to bust each spammer once you're registered. I am not affiliated with SpamCop in any way, I'm just a concerned Netizen tired of all the B.S., who swears by SpamCop as the best way to get revenge! From cwong at tir.com Mon Jul 26 00:40:23 1999 From: cwong at tir.com (curt wong) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:40:23 -0400 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: <7navs3$i2m$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, <379A21F1.87D29BFC@Netxn.com>, <7ndkvi$ov0$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <932963884.727699@news.tir.com> rjb wrote in message <7ndkvi$ov0$1 at bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... > >I am only guessing about the sulfur compounds being what attracts the flies. >Seems unlikely to me that they can detect CH4, C3H8 etc because these >molecules are not very reactive. A sensor generally binds the molecule to a >receptor site and CH4 doesn't have a handle. Speaking as a chemist/scanning electron microscopist with an interest in bugs since childhood (and one entomology class 23 years ago) I was unaware that flies are attracted to methane, ethane, propane, etc., but your sulfur compound speculation sounds reasonable. I have access to unscented and scented hydrocarbons. This might be an interesting experiment for me to do sometime with my 9 yr old daughter. If I do, we'll be sure to publish here first. Now accepting grants. Please make checks payable to "cash." Does a molecule necessarily have to be *reactive* to be an attractant? By reactive, are you referring to *containing a functional group?* Seems that most pheromones, from my limited knowledge, fall into this category. Are there any alkane (saturated hydrocarbon) pheromones out there in the bug world? This is my first post here. Please forgive be for jumping in without having read any of the prior posts to this thread. -curt- From cwong at tir.com Mon Jul 26 01:19:43 1999 From: cwong at tir.com (curt wong) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:19:43 -0400 Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: <379A21F1.87D29BFC@Netxn.com>, <7ndkvi$ov0$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Message-ID: <932966244.590632@news.tir.com> Steven M. Cohen wrote in message ... >Rick: > >Do you know what gas is given off my decaying animals or fecies? We >certainly know it has a distinct odor, but what gas or gasses would it be? This is far from my field of expertise, but there are many different gases given off by decaying flesh. The smelliest are sulfides and amines, byproducts of the bacterial digestion of sulfur-containing amino acids, as mentioned in another post, and nitrogen-containing amino acids. There are two major volatile compounds, at least in terms of stench, produced from decaying flesh. They have glamorously been named cadaverine and putrescine - create quite an *image*, don't they? Both are di-amines. -curt- From cthomp1 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 26 03:33:04 1999 From: cthomp1 at earthlink.net (Heliconius) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:33:04 -0700 Subject: Buckeye livestock wanted References: <379B3B95.465541D1@teleport.com> Message-ID: <7nh36c$cek$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Shubin wrote in message <379B3B95.465541D1 at teleport.com>... >Does anyone have the common Buckeye (Junonia coenia) as livestock? I >would like to raise them. Also would like to raise the Lorquins Admiral >(Limenitis lorquini), the California Sister(Adelpha bredowii), and the >Great Spangled Fritillary (Speyeria cybele).Any sources for these would >be appreciated. >Andy in Vancouver, WA.USA > > From John.Snyder at furman.edu Mon Jul 26 11:25:51 1999 From: John.Snyder at furman.edu (John.Snyder at furman.edu) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:25:51 GMT Subject: moths sense heat? Message-ID: Someone asked me the following question, and I pass it on to the group. Do moths specifically sense heat, and respond behaviorally to its presence? The question was asked in context of moths circling around artificial light sources, which of course can also be heat sources. I suppose the question could be enlarged to include all lepidoptera. John Snyder Dept. of Biology Furman University john.snyder at furman.edu From rcjohnsen at aol.com Mon Jul 26 15:21:32 1999 From: rcjohnsen at aol.com (Rcjohnsen) Date: 26 Jul 1999 19:21:32 GMT Subject: What do houseflies really like? References: Message-ID: <19990726152132.13056.00001729@ng-ck1.aol.com> >> Try visiting the web site http://daphne.palomar.edu/wayne/ww0602.htm Roger J. From gwang at mb.sympatico.ca Mon Jul 26 18:43:00 1999 From: gwang at mb.sympatico.ca (gwang) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:43:00 -0400 Subject: Black Swallowtail Message-ID: <379CE474.2D76@mb.sympatico.ca> Hi y'all, Just curious how far black swallowtail males (if there is in fact a diff. between the sexes) usually fly from their eclosion site. I've seen a few around my area, but only males, and despite my efforts, I've been unable to find the host plant/larva for this species. Does anyone know the rough area in which I should search for the larvae? Perhaps a few hundred metres or so around the sighted swallowtail? Thx in advance, Xi Wang From Citheronia at aol.com Mon Jul 26 22:17:26 1999 From: Citheronia at aol.com (Citheronia at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:17:26 EDT Subject: Saturniidae ova needed!!!!!!! Message-ID: <3ebd3217.24ce70b6@aol.com> Hello everyone!! I am in need of ova from most any Saturniid, but I am in greatest need of Antheraea polyphemus and Citheronia regalis 1999 ova. Other species are needed in lesser numbers. Please respond as soon as possible. I am willing to exchange papered specimens of Lepidoptera for your ova, or purchase ova from anyone having them. Thank you all in advance, and hope to hear from you soon.... Randy Lyttle Citheronia at aol.com From Stelenes at aol.com Tue Jul 27 04:06:19 1999 From: Stelenes at aol.com (Stelenes at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:06:19 EDT Subject: Help ID a Cat Message-ID: Hello.... I need some help to identify this caterpillar: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Wetlands/5505 If that doesn't work please add an extra diagonal on the end. Thanks for any help you can give...order, family, and especially genus or species. Thanks kindly in advance... Best wishes. Doug Dawn. From dhobern at hursley.ibm.com Tue Jul 27 06:16:43 1999 From: dhobern at hursley.ibm.com (Donald Hobern) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:16:43 +0100 Subject: Identification of Minnesota noctuid References: <378DB4DF.9CA345DF@hursley.ibm.com> Message-ID: <379D870B.E5B37706@hursley.ibm.com> Thanks to all those who took a copy of the picture. Gary Anweiler has sent me a photograph of Melanchra picta (Zebra Caterpillar Moth) and I am convinced that that is what I saw. Donald Donald Hobern wrote: > > Last year, while in Rochester, Minnesota in June, I caught a noctuid > that I could not identify from Covell's guide and the Moth Book. I made > a detailed coloured drawing and have finally got around to scanning the > picture in. The moth appears to be a Plusiine. Would anyone care to > take a look at the picture and let me know if it looks recognisable? > The image is a 69k jpg. > > Thanks, > > Donald Hobern > (dhobern at hursley.ibm.com) From mikayak at ix.netcom.com Tue Jul 27 08:08:39 1999 From: mikayak at ix.netcom.com (Mike Soukup) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:08:39 -0400 Subject: Help ID a Cat References: Message-ID: <379DA147.300A2FBA@ix.netcom.com> Hi Doug, To me, it looks like Halysidota tesselaris - (The Tesselated Halysidota). Superfamily Noctuoidea, Family Arctiidae, Subfamily Arctiinae ....but I could be wrong! Stelenes at aol.com wrote: > Hello.... > > I need some help to identify this caterpillar: > > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Wetlands/5505 > > If that doesn't work please add an extra diagonal on the end. Thanks for any > help you can give...order, family, and especially genus or species. > > Thanks kindly in advance... > > Best wishes. Doug Dawn. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Visit http://www.msn.com From rolivier at xs4all.nl Tue Jul 27 09:25:33 1999 From: rolivier at xs4all.nl (Rob Olivier) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:25:33 +0200 Subject: RFI for English names Message-ID: <7nkc0o$52m$1@news1.xs4all.nl> Hi all, Can anyone tell me the English names for: Papilio saharae and Zerynthia cretica Thanks in advance. Rob Olivier rolivier at xs4all.nl or webmaster at dutchbirding.nl http://www.dutchbirding.nl (Dutch Birding Association) From viceroy at anu.ie Tue Jul 27 11:12:42 1999 From: viceroy at anu.ie (Anne Kilmer) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:12:42 +0100 Subject: singing off Message-ID: <379DCC6A.A7DCE9A@anu.ie> heading back to the States tomorrow ... with a stop-off in the Burren where there will be some actual butterflies. headed over to Tourmakeady woods and saw: Silver-Washed Fritillary Argynnis paphia Fritilean geal Tourmakeady woods M0968 July 27 1999 around the same little group of trees where I saw them in 1995. Also a couple of Pieris brassicae and a whole lot of small white whatevertheyare butterflies. They said something rude about science and went away very fast. The second brood of green-veined whites is cluttering up my yard at the moment; not much else flying. I blame the swallows. Also the bats have finally showed up, so I imagine the moth population is resurgent as well. Cheery-ho. I will now resume the persona of viceroy at gate.net in South Florida. The house is tucked in ready for next spring ... I go now to clean out the refrigerator and fix supper. Sigh. Anne Kilmer Mayo Ireland From watb at videotron.ca Tue Jul 27 14:28:32 1999 From: watb at videotron.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Watier) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:28:32 -0400 Subject: Buckeyes in Ontario References: <37996655.A9EC3386@utoronto.ca>, <3.0.5.32.19990724014324.007efd90@mail.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <379DFA50.48DAE519@videotron.ca> Hi, today i catch junonia ceonia in Longueuil(Qu?bec)!!!! It's very rare!! It's the first time i catch this butterflys in this region. Thanks Pierre-Luc Watier http://www.angelfire.com/il/insectes "Chris J. Durden" wrote: > Don, > I took a worn *Precis g. coenia* - COMMON BUCKEYE at the park incinerator > in 1954 or 1955. It is the basis of the record in the 1963 checklist of > butterflies of Algonquin Park. I shall check the specimen next week for the > exact date. > In 1954 the park was swarming with monarchs and I was feeding them to pet > ravens and wondering why they did not vomit. Later that year I visited Dr. > Urquhart and he told me about the catbirds that ate wintering monarchs > (only the ones with tags) at Lighthouse Point near the Appalachicola River, > Florida. The birds beat the scientists by many years with the discovery > that northern monarchs are less toxic than southern! > ...........Chris Durden, Austin TX > > At 07:08 24/07/99 GMT, you wrote: > >The invasion continues. One was spotted this week 75 km east of Toronto > >at Darlington Provincial Park, and two more 150 km east of Toronto on > >the north shore of Lake Ontario at Presqu'ile Provincial Park. > > > >The Toronto Rare Bird Hotline reported tonight that the first-ever > >buckeye reached Algonquin Provincial Park this week. For those > >unfamiliar with Algonquin, its about a 3.5 to 4 hour drive north of > >Toronto, a huge wilderness park of mixed forests, rocky hills and > >outcroppings, bears, wolves, moose, etc. > > > >Don Davis > >Toronto, ON > > > > From mothman617 at aol.com Tue Jul 27 18:11:40 1999 From: mothman617 at aol.com (Mothman617) Date: 27 Jul 1999 22:11:40 GMT Subject: Help ID a Cat References: Message-ID: <19990727181140.09218.00003130@ng-cc1.aol.com> Looks like a larva of the family Arctiidae. From dyanega at pop.ucr.edu Tue Jul 27 19:13:32 1999 From: dyanega at pop.ucr.edu (Doug Yanega) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:13:32 -0700 Subject: Help ID a Cat Message-ID: >Hi Doug, > > To me, it looks like Halysidota tesselaris - (The Tesselated >Halysidota). Superfamily Noctuoidea, Family Arctiidae, Subfamily Arctiinae >....but I could be wrong! If it's wrong, it's awfully close. It is definitely an Arctiine, and probably a Halysidota. Peace, Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California - Riverside, Riverside, CA 92521 phone: (909) 787-4315 (standard disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) http://insects.ucr.edu/staff/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 From lorax at bcn.net Tue Jul 27 20:33:24 1999 From: lorax at bcn.net (Chris Johnston) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:33:24 -0400 Subject: Identifying a species by caterpillar Message-ID: <000f01bed890$cedc8000$4756eed0@bailey> I recently found quite a large caterpillar (approx. 3.5-4 inches long) = wandering around near the front door of my business in Sheffield, = Massachusetts (in the Berkshires). After a few hours, I discovered that = it had enclosed itself in silk wrapped up in some curled leaves and = bark. I've tried to identify which species it is (knowing very little = about Lepidoptera), but have yet to find any pictures that seem to look = like it. The nearest I can tell is that it is similar in size and shape = to some swallowtails. The caterpillar had no tufts or horns or anything and was a light, = orangish, fleshy color on top. Underneath, it appeared to be a brighter = green with a green head. Also, it had distinctive dark spots on the = very end of its body (3 spots, I think.) They reminded me of wing spots = on an adult. Again, this is in Western Massachusetts. Can anyone help me identify = this butterfly? I've become really curious about it. Thanks. Chris Johnston lorax at bcn.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lenore Atwood 602 Castlefield Ave Toronto, ON M5N 1L8 phone: (416) 783-8683 fax: (416) 783-3710 lenore at interlog.com http://www.interlog.com/~lenore From cguppy at quesnelbc.com Wed Jul 28 00:45:52 1999 From: cguppy at quesnelbc.com (Cris Guppy & Aud Fischer) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:45:52 -0700 Subject: Pontia sisymbrii (Spring White) Photos Message-ID: <006401bed8b7$e1f817e0$7edcc2cf@cguppy> I am looking for photographs of Spring White (Pontia sisymbrii) mature = caterpillars and pupae, from anywhere. I would like to compare the = larvae and pupae to those of other Pontia species, as part of a research = project. Does anyone have such photos, or know of published photos? Cris Guppy 4627 Quesnel-Hydraulic Road Quesnel, B.C. V2J 6P8=20 CANADA (250) 747-1512 (h) 992-4490 (w) E-mail: cguppy at quesnelbc.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/private/leps-l/attachments/19990727/ac081df0/attachment.html From mikayak at ix.netcom.com Wed Jul 28 06:50:07 1999 From: mikayak at ix.netcom.com (Mike Soukup) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:50:07 -0400 Subject: Identifying a species by caterpillar References: <000f01bed890$cedc8000$4756eed0@bailey> Message-ID: <379EE05F.4967D7CC@ix.netcom.com> I think you have a moth....not a butterfly. And, I will go out on a limb and say it is probably a luna moth (Actias luna). Luna caterpillars usually turn orange/maroon shortly before pupation. Also, they tend to pupate on the ground (especially broods that will winter over). You may see a photo OF BOTH THE LARVAE AND MOTH BY GOING TO : http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/resource/distr/lepid/moths/pa/942.htm If it is not a luna....it is another Saturniidae (Silkmoth). Photos of the others may be found at the same web site Chris Johnston wrote: > I recently found quite a large caterpillar (approx. 3.5-4 inches > long) wandering around near the front door of my business in > Sheffield, Massachusetts (in the Berkshires). After a few hours, I > discovered that it had enclosed itself in silk wrapped up in some > curled leaves and bark. I've tried to identify which species it is > (knowing very little about Lepidoptera), but have yet to find any > pictures that seem to look like it. The nearest I can tell is that it > is similar in size and shape to some swallowtails. The caterpillar had > no tufts or horns or anything and was a light, orangish, fleshy color > on top. Underneath, it appeared to be a brighter green with a green > head. Also, it had distinctive dark spots on the very end of its body > (3 spots, I think.) They reminded me of wing spots on an adult. Again, > this is in Western Massachusetts. Can anyone help me identify this > butterfly? I've become really curious about it. Thanks. Chris > Johnstonlorax at bcn.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/private/leps-l/attachments/19990728/0b65ffe9/attachment.html From gochfeld at eohsi.rutgers.edu Wed Jul 28 06:10:47 1999 From: gochfeld at eohsi.rutgers.edu (Michael Gochfeld) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:10:47 -0400 Subject: Fiery Skipper in Toronto? In-Reply-To: Lenore Atwood "Fiery Skipper in Toronto?" (Jul 27, 9:36pm) References: <3.0.6.32.19990727213616.007ac6e0@mail.interlog.com> Message-ID: <990728061053.ZM3654@Gochfeld> This appears to be part of a general trend for several species including Common Checkered Skipper (Pyrgus communis), Sachem, Buckeye and Little Yellow (Eurema lisa). Reports are both unusually early (May reports for species that don't show up in New Jersey until July-August) as well as unusually far north. Quite likely this is a consequence of two very mild winters which allowed survival of these "southern" species, far north of their normal winter range. Also the phenology of other species (resident species) has been advanced by 1-2 weeks. This has certainly livened up the "Fourth of July Counts"---missing common species that emerged and disappeared early, and turning up other species for the first time. Perhaps it would be timely to have a summary of such events after counters have completed their tallies. M. Gochfeld From TNMF at aol.com Wed Jul 28 08:18:34 1999 From: TNMF at aol.com (TNMF at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:18:34 EDT Subject: sign off Message-ID: <3ec4c00f.24d04f1a@aol.com> sign off leps list From a9608596 at unet.univie.ac.at Wed Jul 28 11:29:02 1999 From: a9608596 at unet.univie.ac.at (a9608596) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:29:02 +0200 Subject: green pigment -other email Message-ID: <7nn7k3$4ees$1@www.univie.ac.at> hi i've just subscribed from another account please write to a9608596 at unet.univie.ac.at D.Staykov From hankb at theriver.com Wed Jul 28 22:48:38 1999 From: hankb at theriver.com (Hank & Priscilla Brodkin) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:48:38 -0700 Subject: Huachuca Mountain, Arizona, Butterfly Count Message-ID: <379FC106.9C8DCD04@theriver.com> This year's count will be on August 3. The pre-count breakfast meeting will be at Little Bits Restaurant on SR 92 south of Sierra Vista at 6:00 AM. Little Bits is on the east side of the highway just north of the movie complex. The compilation dinner will be at the Country House Restaurant just south of the same movie complex at 6:00 PM. Call Doug Danforth at (520) 432-2683 for more info or to be assigned an area. -- Hank & Priscilla Brodkin Carr Canyon, Cochise County, AZ SouthEast Arizona Butterfly Association Send Mailto:hankb at theriver.com From a9608596 at unet.univie.ac.at Thu Jul 29 09:21:52 1999 From: a9608596 at unet.univie.ac.at (a9608596) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:21:52 +0200 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? Message-ID: <7npkhj$3k6g$1@www.univie.ac.at> hi do you know if there are any problems in taking pupae with me to another country? (do i need some sort of a special permission?) i guess i'll have to show them because i wouldn't let them pass the x-ray control... or should i try stuffing them into my pockets? Dimire Staykov a9608596 at unet.univie.ac.at From mikayak at ix.netcom.com Thu Jul 29 10:39:03 1999 From: mikayak at ix.netcom.com (Mike Soukup) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:39:03 -0400 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: <7npkhj$3k6g$1@www.univie.ac.at> Message-ID: <37A06787.1A6@ix.netcom.com> It depends on which country you are going to. Free countries allow it. Fascist government controlled countries (such as the USA) don't. X-rays won't hurt them. And, even if you do stuff them in your pockets, in some airports, you are also "scanned". I'd put them in my carry on bags and call it a day. -- Mike Soukup mikayak at ix.netcom.com Web Page => http://pw1.netcom.com/~mikayak click here to send E-mail=> mailto:mikayak at ix.netcom.com From andy at ent.umass.edu Thu Jul 29 10:37:54 1999 From: andy at ent.umass.edu (Andy Steinberg) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:37:54 -0400 Subject: Job Listing Message-ID: <37a06761.0@oit.umass.edu> Assistant Professor of Systematic Entomology ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT DEPARTMENT OF ENTOMOLOGY UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS Title: Assistant Professor of Systematic Entomology Appointment: Academic Year (9-Month)?Tenure Track. Starting date September 1, 2000, negotiable. The position: We seek a systematic entomologist with laboratory and conceptual skills in molecular and morphological systematics. Teaching responsibilities include the Department?s insect taxonomy course, development of a graduate course in the candidate?s area of expertise, and participation in the introductory biology series. Curatorial responsibilities include overseeing the Department?s insect collection. Candidates are expected to establish an active, nationally recognized, externally funded research program, and encouraged to collaborate with faculty in the department and across campus in studies of comparative biology. The Setting: Our department has 12 faculty and 30 graduate students. We place strong emphasis on research at the interface of basic and applied problems, and are committed to a strong community outreach program. Cross-disciplinary graduate programs in which the candidate may participate include Organismic and Evolutionary Biology and Molecular and Cellular Biology. The University is strong in systematics and has recently hired a molecular systematist to oversee the new sequencing facility. The Massachusetts Museum of Natural History has recently been organized to bring together the diverse collections on campus and the candidate is expected to interact with this group. The University is part of the 5-College Consortium in the beautiful Pioneer Valley of western Massachusetts, with excellent social, cultural and recreational amenities in a rural cosmopolitan setting. We are 2 hours from Boston and 3 hours from New York City. Qualifications: A Ph.D. in entomology or a related discipline is required. Postdoctoral research experience is preferred. Salary: Competitive and commensurate with qualifications. To Apply: Application materials should include a cover letter, curriculum vitae, statements of teaching and research interests, selected reprints and four letters of recommendation. The position will remain open until filled, but to ensure consideration, please submit all materials before September 15, 1999 to: Dr. D. N. Ferro, Chair Entomology Department 102 Fernald Hall University of Massachusetts Amherst, MA 01003-2410, USA Ph (413) 545-1050 FAX (413) 545-2115 www.umass.edu/ent/ Women and minorities are especially encouraged to apply. The University of Massachusetts is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer. Fernald Hall University of Massachusetts Amherst, MA 01003-2410 Phone: (413) 545-2283 or -1056 Fax: (413) 545-2115 entomology at ent.umass.edu From kmoon at ucla.edu Thu Jul 29 12:32:26 1999 From: kmoon at ucla.edu (Kathleen Moon) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:32:26 -0700 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: <7npkhj$3k6g$1@www.univie.ac.at>, <37A06787.1A6@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <37A0821A.AFBBDE8@ucla.edu> > > It depends on which country you are going to. Free countries allow it. > Fascist government controlled countries (such as the USA) don't. > > X-rays won't hurt them. And, even if you do stuff them in your pockets, > in some airports, you are also "scanned". I'd put them in my carry on > bags and call it a day. > > -- > Mike Soukup > mikayak at ix.netcom.com > Web Page => http://pw1.netcom.com/~mikayak > click here to send E-mail=> mailto:mikayak at ix.netcom.com [Following is my reply to Mike, originally sent this morning as private email:] Mike, We don't need inflammatory comments like that on the newsgroup. Everyone from the former Soviet block to Indonesia to the USA gets along fine here, so either apologize or get out. Pierre [cc: s.b.e.l] My apologies to the newsgroup, but I sincerely felt the need for a reply that would get the writer's attention - and get it quickly. Pierre A Plauzoles {via Kathleen Moon) From semjase at aol.com Thu Jul 29 13:06:21 1999 From: semjase at aol.com (Semjase) Date: 29 Jul 1999 17:06:21 GMT Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: <37A0821A.AFBBDE8@ucla.edu> Message-ID: <19990729130621.26094.00004173@ng-fp1.aol.com> > >Mike Soukup wrote: >> >> It depends on which country you are going to. Free countries allow it. >> Fascist government controlled countries (such as the USA) don't. >> >> X-rays won't hurt them. And, even if you do stuff them in your pockets, >> in some airports, you are also "scanned". I'd put them in my carry on >> bags and call it a day. >> >> -- >> Mike Soukup >> mikayak at ix.netcom.com >> Web Page => http://pw1.netcom.com/~mikayak >> click here to send E-mail=> mailto:mikayak at ix.netcom.com > >[Following is my reply to Mike, originally sent this morning as private >email:] > >Mike, > >We don't need inflammatory comments like that on the newsgroup. >Everyone from the former Soviet block to Indonesia to the USA gets along >fine here, so either apologize or get out. > >Pierre > >[cc: s.b.e.l] > >My apologies to the newsgroup, but I sincerely felt the need for a reply >that would get the writer's attention - and get it quickly. > >Pierre A Plauzoles >{via Kathleen Moon) > Keep on lookin but can't find the inflamatory comment! S. From paulcher at concentric.net Thu Jul 29 07:32:18 1999 From: paulcher at concentric.net (Paul Cherubini) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:32:18 +0000 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: <7npkhj$3k6g$1@www.univie.ac.at>, <37A06787.1A6@ix.netcom.com> <37A0821A.AFBBDE8@ucla.edu> Message-ID: <37A03BC2.74A3@concentric.net> > Pierre A Plauzoles > {via Kathleen Moon) wrote: > We don't need inflammatory comments like that on the newsgroup. > Everyone from the former Soviet block to Indonesia to the USA gets along > fine here, so either apologize or get out. I thought Mike Soukup's comment was right on the money. Paul Cherubini From MasterChem at aol.com Thu Jul 29 15:10:01 1999 From: MasterChem at aol.com (MasterChem at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:10:01 EDT Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? Message-ID: <81ac5cb5.24d20109@aol.com> Some people need to take political science again. There has never been fascist rule in the USA. From jshuey at tnc.org Thu Jul 29 15:26:21 1999 From: jshuey at tnc.org (John Shuey) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:26:21 -0500 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: Message-ID: <37A0AADD.290C810D@tnc.org> Forget the potential insult to other countries - Mike's response is a powerful display of ignorance combined with stupidity. In the USA, exotic species cause BILLIONS of dollars of damage to our economy and ecosystems every year. They range from harmless plants such as dandelions ( which still cost many home owners hundreds to control), to gypsy moths that defoliate hundreds of thousands of acres of forests every year - killing mature white oaks in the process. As a relevant aside, the primary predator of the Federally endangered Karner Blue is an exotic predatory beetle that eats the larvae. So to answer the original question, there are indeed laws designed to inhibit the importation of exotic species into the US. There's even a presidential initiative designed to slow the rate at which exotics invade the country. When you fill out a customs form, you are specifically asked if you have any living plants or animals in your possession. If so, you are routed to an agricultural inspector, who will politely confiscate said material (unless you have a permit to import it - then you need to see Fish and Wildlife in addition). All this is designed to protect the economy and citizens of the country. If you are caught smuggling livestock into the US there are criminal penalties and fines to be paid. Thus, if it is too much bother for folks who care more about their own interests in rearing pretty butterflies and moths to moderate their activities, such that potential damage to others can be avoided, I suggest that you find an anarchist society in which to live - one where personal rights out- weigh the greater good of society. A society where you can proudly where the badge of both ignorance and stupidity. John Shuey mikayak at ix.netcom.com wrote: > It depends on which country you are going to. Free countries allow it. > Fascist government controlled countries (such as the USA) don't. > > X-rays won't hurt them. And, even if you do stuff them in your pockets, > in some airports, you are also "scanned". I'd put them in my carry on > bags and call it a day. > > -- > Mike Soukup > mikayak at ix.netcom.com > Web Page => http://pw1.netcom.com/~mikayak > click here to send E-mail=> mailto:mikayak at ix.netcom.com -- John Shuey From Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca Thu Jul 29 15:34:21 1999 From: Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca (Kondla, Norbert FOR:EX) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:34:21 -0700 Subject: Help with article needed-Ent. News Message-ID: <60F1FEB31CA3D211A1B60008C7A45F43A412A3@blaze.bcsc.gov.bc.ca> Yes, I know it is still field season but - I need a photocopy of a 1926 paper in Ent. News and the nearest university library for me is only 650 km away (complain, whine etc) I would welcome a direct reply from anyone who might have easier access to this journal and who would consider helping me out with an article copy. I would of course be pleased to compensate for costs if necessary. Thank you for your consideration. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Norbert Kondla P.Biol., RPBio. Forest Ecosystem Specialist, Ministry of Environment 845 Columbia Avenue, Castlegar, British Columbia V1N 1H3 Phone 250-365-8610 Mailto:Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca http://www.env.gov.bc.ca From Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca Thu Jul 29 15:44:47 1999 From: Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca (Kondla, Norbert FOR:EX) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:44:47 -0700 Subject: Inflammatory comments Message-ID: <60F1FEB31CA3D211A1B60008C7A45F43A412A4@blaze.bcsc.gov.bc.ca> Being a glutton for punishment I just hafta stick by proboscis into this one by making the observation that part of "getting along" with other people is recognizing that other people will from time to time have differing opinions and accepting that reality. I for one strongly support the practice of free speech - whether or not I agree with the content. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Norbert Kondla P.Biol., RPBio. Forest Ecosystem Specialist, Ministry of Environment 845 Columbia Avenue, Castlegar, British Columbia V1N 1H3 Phone 250-365-8610 Mailto:Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca http://www.env.gov.bc.ca From mikayak at ix.netcom.com Thu Jul 29 15:48:49 1999 From: mikayak at ix.netcom.com (Mike Soukup) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:48:49 -0400 Subject: "Fascist" countries References: <37A080BF.C3DAA934@ucla.edu> Message-ID: <37A0B021.A37@ix.netcom.com> I didn't post any inflammatory comments. Did I personally "flame" someone? Did I insult someone? Since when is expressing dissatisfaction with the direction one's country is taking "inflammatory"? Oh, yeah that's right....dissention isn't allowed in a totalitarianism. I realize this is NOT a political website. It is a scientific based web site. But, what I said was nothing more than a minor jab at the over-regulating, privacy-itruding government and it's rules and regulations that I live with everyday. And, if you think science and politics are separate entities....well..... And, many of these rules, although theoretically created for "good reasons", are nothing more than a over-reaching government's attempt to control it's citizens. Thomas Jefferson and the other founders of this country would now be considered "right-wing wackos" with radical ideas and would be demonized by the press and villified by the government....when all they wanted was to live as free men. Well, some of us STILL believe in the constitution and the right to live our lives as free men. And I will stand up for those rights. If stating my beliefs about my government is now considered "inflammatory"...well, you pretty much proved my first assertion. We are being taken over by the thought police. If it gets me banned from the list, so be it. I'm willing to stand up for what I say and I'm willing to take resposibility for it. And, as most listers know, I contribute more here than I take away. I consider that my duty. I'm just a man who loves the USA and is VERY afraid about the direction it is taking. PS. I have "bug friends" in almost every country in the world. I don't CARE what politics thier country has. BUT I CARE ABOUT MINE! -- Mike Soukup mikayak at ix.netcom.com Web Page => http://pw1.netcom.com/~mikayak click here to send E-mail=> mailto:mikayak at ix.netcom.com From kendrick at hkusua.hku.hk Thu Jul 29 17:01:36 1999 From: kendrick at hkusua.hku.hk (Roger C. KENDRICK) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 05:01:36 +0800 Subject: HK Leps Soc. web - more pix. Message-ID: <37A0C130.7177CA81@hkusua.hku.hk> Hi All, Some of you may wish to digress from the current "open season" on Leps-L (not that there's anything wrong with voicing one's opinion in a free world). [ :-) ] The Hong Kong Lepidopterists' Society (HKLS) website has been updated of late to include lists and some photos of Zygaenidae, Limacodidae, Metarbelidae, Brachodidae and Thyrididae (and if you haven't heard of some of these families, then this is your chance to find out what some of their kind look like!). The update also includes information about the HKLS's objectives... For details, please see http://members.xoom.com/hkls/ regards, Roger. -- Roger C. KENDRICK Demonstrator / Ph.D. Student Dept. of Ecology & Biodiversity, The University of Hong Kong mailto:kendrick at hkusua.hku.hk Hong Kong Moths website coordinator http://web.hku.hk/~kendrick/hkmoth.htm HK Lepidopterists' Society (English version) http://members.xoom.com/hkls/ (may be redesignated to http://www.hkls.org) From gochfeld at eohsi.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 29 17:52:26 1999 From: gochfeld at eohsi.rutgers.edu (Michael Gochfeld) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:52:26 -0400 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? In-Reply-To: John Shuey "Re: problems with pupae at the airport?" (Jul 29, 2:26pm) References: <37A0AADD.290C810D@tnc.org> Message-ID: <990729175312.ZM14182@Gochfeld> I second John Shuey's comments on the importation or "smuggling" of livestock into the US. I think he put it very well. It's essy to rationalize that some creature will end up benign and attractive, or dead in a collection, but it's illegal and a bad idea. If people need convincing, I recommend the chapters on Animals and Plants in Edward Tenner's compelling book "Why Things Bite Back" subtitle "Technology and the Revenge of Unintended Consequences". (Vintage Books/Random House; 1997). It's ironic that some of the most successful exotics were deliberate introductions: Starlings, Kudzu, Tamarisk, etc. From acynor at fullerton.edu Thu Jul 29 20:17:57 1999 From: acynor at fullerton.edu (Anthony W. Cynor) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:17:57 -0700 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: <37A0AADD.290C810D@tnc.org> <990729175312.ZM14182@Gochfeld> Message-ID: <37A0EF35.28AB0870@fullerton.edu> It would be so nice if all those people that think regulators from the government should be poking their very brown noses into every nook and cranny of our lives would please pack up and find some nice totalitarian police state with welcoming arms to move to permanently. Tony Michael Gochfeld wrote: > > I second John Shuey's comments on the importation or "smuggling" of > livestock into the US. I think he put it very well. It's essy to > rationalize that some creature will end up benign and attractive, or > dead in a collection, but it's illegal and a bad idea. If people need > convincing, I recommend the chapters on Animals and Plants in Edward > Tenner's compelling book "Why Things Bite Back" subtitle "Technology and > the Revenge of Unintended Consequences". (Vintage Books/Random House; > 1997). > > It's ironic that some of the most successful exotics were deliberate > introductions: Starlings, Kudzu, Tamarisk, etc. From semjase at aol.com Thu Jul 29 20:48:42 1999 From: semjase at aol.com (Semjase) Date: 30 Jul 1999 00:48:42 GMT Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: <81ac5cb5.24d20109@aol.com> Message-ID: <19990729204842.13143.00004283@ng-bh1.aol.com> > > >Some people need to take political science again. There has never been >fascist rule in the USA. > Perhaps you need to take your history again, of course in olden days, the word "fascist" was not used. S. From semjase at aol.com Thu Jul 29 21:10:05 1999 From: semjase at aol.com (Semjase) Date: 30 Jul 1999 01:10:05 GMT Subject: "Fascist" countries References: <37A0B021.A37@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990729211005.13143.00004298@ng-bh1.aol.com> > >I didn't post any inflammatory comments. Did I personally "flame" >someone? Did I insult someone? Since when is expressing >dissatisfaction with the direction one's country is taking >"inflammatory"? Oh, yeah that's right....dissention isn't allowed in a >totalitarianism. > > While we are going that way a few must be trying to hurry up the process it appears. It is unfortunate that some irate individual has gone and stirred up a hornets nest but I still do not find your statements inflamatory. I do think that "totalitarian" is a better description than "fascist" in the context. Maybe it is good that the nest got stirred up again on the subject although I doubt any good will come of it in this depressing world. S. From semjase at aol.com Thu Jul 29 21:04:18 1999 From: semjase at aol.com (Semjase) Date: 30 Jul 1999 01:04:18 GMT Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: <37A0AADD.290C810D@tnc.org> Message-ID: <19990729210418.13143.00004296@ng-bh1.aol.com> > >Forget the potential insult to other countries - Mike's response is a >powerful display of ignorance combined with stupidity. Perhaps only a differing and important viewpoint. > >In the USA, exotic species cause BILLIONS of dollars of damage to our >economy and ecosystems every year. They range from harmless plants such as >dandelions They are good food and an agricultural plant in other nations. Perhaps eating them would solve the problem although they are sort of pretty. ( which still cost many home owners hundreds to control), to >gypsy moths that defoliate hundreds of thousands of acres of forests every >year - killing mature white oaks in the process. Brought in by which moth enthusiast. Sorry but the big boys did this one! > >As a relevant aside, the primary predator of the Federally endangered Karner >Blue is an exotic predatory beetle that eats the larvae. Brought in by a beetle enthusiast I suppose? > >So to answer the original question, there are indeed laws designed to >inhibit the importation of exotic species into the US. There's even a >presidential initiative designed to slow the rate at which exotics invade >the country. There is also a "presidential initiative" to snoop on your electronic transmissions. 1984 a little late huh? When you fill out a customs form, Which form is that by the way, they have many. you are specifically asked >if you have any living plants or animals in your possession. If so, you are >routed to an agricultural inspector, who will politely Whoo Haaa! confiscate said >material (unless you have a permit to import it - then you need to see Fish >and Wildlife in addition). Ah yes, two where one can do. All this is designed to protect the economy and >citizens of the country. If you are caught smuggling livestock into the US >there are criminal penalties and fines to be paid. Typical of most nations. Now lets see where does the U.S. stack up against other countries in the number of people incarcerated? > >Thus, if it is too much bother for folks who care more about their own >interests in rearing pretty butterflies and moths to moderate You mean abandon of course, especially if the likes of NABA has its way. their >activities, such that potential damage to others can be avoided, I suggest >that you find an anarchist society in which to live - one where personal >rights out- weigh the greater good of society. A society where you can >proudly where the badge of both ignorance and stupidity. Do you know of one? I would suggest that perhaps you might like a police state or something like that where you could have fun and leave us be. Actually a functional Anarchist state could hardly have stupid people in it now could it? > S. From conlan at adnc.com Thu Jul 29 21:47:35 1999 From: conlan at adnc.com (Chris Conlan) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:47:35 -0700 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? Message-ID: <199907300150.SAA05514@barley.adnc.com> Is it that hard to tell when somebody is just taking a harmless stab at something? Mike said nothing offensive. Geesh, let's lighten up here! Chris From paulcher at concentric.net Thu Jul 29 15:08:32 1999 From: paulcher at concentric.net (Paul Cherubini) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:08:32 +0000 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: <37A0AADD.290C810D@tnc.org> <19990729210418.13143.00004296@ng-bh1.aol.com> Message-ID: <37A0A6B0.7145@concentric.net> > gypsy moths that defoliate hundreds of thousands of acres of forests every > year - killing mature white oaks in the process. Semjase wrote: > Brought in by which moth enthusiast. Sorry but the big boys did this one! Exactly what I was thinking. What documentation is there of any casual butterfly/moth/beetle enthusiasts being the source of any exotic pest outbreaks or similar eco-catastrophes? When was the last time the headlines read "international terrorists smuggle moths into country to wreak havoc on American forests" or "Clinton calls beetle terrorists worst threat to date to American agriculture" Paul Cherubini From drdn at mail.utexas.edu Thu Jul 29 12:12:40 1999 From: drdn at mail.utexas.edu (Chris J. Durden) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:12:40 -0500 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990729111240.0080cbf0@mail.utexas.edu> > >At 12:48 30/07/99 GMT, you wrote: >>>Subject: Re: problems with pupae at the airport? >>>From: MasterChem at aol.com >>>Date: Thu, 29 July 1999 03:18 PM EDT >>>Message-id: <81ac5cb5.24d20109 at aol.com> >>> >>> >>>Some people need to take political science again. There has never been >>>fascist rule in the USA. >>> >>Perhaps you need to take your history again, of course in olden days, the word >>"fascist" was not used. >> >>S. > >--------------------- > The fasces or axe and bundle of rods appears as a symbol of a regulatory state on Roman coins over 2,000 years old, and even earlier on the coins of several Greek cities. > Our country has used the symbol on officially printed post cards issued in 1875 (Scott UX4PC2 & UX5PC2) where liberty is boxed in between two fasces. > Perhaps when world population density starts to decline towards sustainable levels, there will be less reason to regulate human activity and we can return to our normal buccaneering ways which built western civilization. >----------- > Thomas Jefferson was our greatest naturalist president (yet) and the only president (yet) to erect the skeleton of a mastodon in the White House. He also held slaves. Yin/Yang. >----------- > Live and let live, but by all means freely express yourself. Words can do no hurt to a healthy, well educated populace - remember that! >........Chris >> >> From apktorry at csm.ex.ac.uk Fri Jul 30 04:11:22 1999 From: apktorry at csm.ex.ac.uk (A.P.K.Torry) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:11:22 +0100 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? In-Reply-To: <19990729204842.13143.00004283@ng-bh1.aol.com> References: <81ac5cb5.24d20109@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990730091122.009033e0@csm.ex.ac.uk> And we all sing togethers. 'The home of the brave, and the land of the FREE????????' or how about 'Oh to be in England' - now that is still FREE. From apktorry at csm.ex.ac.uk Fri Jul 30 04:15:14 1999 From: apktorry at csm.ex.ac.uk (A.P.K.Torry) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:15:14 +0100 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? In-Reply-To: <37A0A6B0.7145@concentric.net> References: <37A0AADD.290C810D@tnc.org> <19990729210418.13143.00004296@ng-bh1.aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990730091514.009037b0@csm.ex.ac.uk> If there was ever a reason to have a UK.RECS.LEPIDOPTERA it is NOW! Gee you guys lighten up will ya, and lets look at the subject of accidental introductions (adventives) and deliberate ones. Or how about the carnage and damage that 'Man-Made' junk cuases in nature, how about MIXAMATOSIS for example or Africanised bees. But politics YUK. How about SPAIN - you cant even squash a cat flea without breaking the law - now there is a totalitarian law if I ever saw one. From KMcFarland at VINSweb.org Fri Jul 30 09:29:40 1999 From: KMcFarland at VINSweb.org (Kent McFarland) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:29:40 -0400 Subject: not political Message-ID: <199907301330.JAA29231@garnet.sover.net> Lep lovers and wanna be politicians- First of all, this is a lep. list not political science. So please some kind person from whatever political realm the come from send me the address to send commands for this list so i can get the hell off of it. If I wanted to listen to some frivolous political BS I would simple go to a chat room. Bunch of babies crying about the politics of US. Go live in hills or run for office and be active, but for the sake of this list...talk leps or get out. Thanks. ***************************************************** Kent P. McFarland Senior Research Biologist Vermont Institute of Natural Science 27023 Church Hill Road Woodstock, VT 05091 802-457-2779 x124 voice mail, x216 fax KMcFarland at VINSweb.org Please visit our web page: www.vinsweb.org **************************************************** From jmason at ink.org Fri Jul 30 09:36:39 1999 From: jmason at ink.org (Jim Mason) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:36:39 -0500 Subject: Insect phylogeny Message-ID: <004201beda90$8da37c40$c49ec9a5@JimM.wp.state.ks.us> Here's one for the systematics folks to chew on. What is the currently accepted version of the phylogeny of the insects and what is the evidence for it? Has the fossil record been elucidated very much or is it all based on assuming that any insect with an aquatic larval form is more primitive than one with a terrestrial larval form? This may be too broad for the Leps list, so if someone can suggest an entomology forum for this posting, feel free. I am interested to find out what has guided the determination that Scorpion Flies are "more advanced" than Beetles, why are Fleas considered to be at the top of the heap, etc. Jim Mason, Naturalist jmason at ink.org (316) 683-5499 x103 Great Plains Nature Center 6232 E. 29th St. N. Wichita, KS 67220-2200 http://www.gpnc.org From jshuey at tnc.org Fri Jul 30 10:20:11 1999 From: jshuey at tnc.org (John Shuey) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:20:11 -0500 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: Message-ID: <37A1B49A.3F58234C@tnc.org> > > > gypsy moths that defoliate hundreds of thousands of acres of forests every > > year - killing mature white oaks in the process. > > Semjase wrote: > > > Brought in by which moth enthusiast. Sorry but the big boys did this one! > > Exactly what I was thinking. What documentation is there of any casual > butterfly/moth/beetle enthusiasts being the source of any exotic pest outbreaks or similar > eco-catastrophes? > I'm not sure which revisionist history books you guys are using, but gypsy moths were introduced into the US by a hack amateur moth enthusiast/Naturalist who though he could hybridize species in two different families to produce better silk production. He choose a very prolific moth from Europe to breed with our giant cocoon spinners in the US and or with the silk moth itself. What better example do you need on misguided "naturalist" screwing up the environment. Just think, if there had been a law in place to prevent this idiot from bringing in the gypsy moth back in 1866, my state (Indiana) wouldn't have to douse the countryside with poison every year. For information on the history of the introduction go to: http://www.gypsymoth.ento.vt.edu/~ravlin/gm_1996.html I'm sure that the guy who wrought ecological disaster to the Eastern US was actually a nice enough guy, with good personal intentions. He just never conceived of the potential problems associated with introducing an alien species into a world that lacks its natural predators. Little could he predict that he could spawn an entire multi-million dollar industry devoted to controlling the environmental damage he innocently and single-handedly unleashed. My point is - neither can you! Hence my very acidic original comments regarding the dangers of stupidity combined with ignorance. Telling people to simply blow off laws designed to benefit society because the cost may impinge upon a very minor personal liberty seems to fit that description to me. Especially when you consider that permits are available for importing many species - granted, you do have have to fill paper work and all - and document that you can adequately contain the live stock. But I guess this is just to much to ask of free Americans ( the US variety of Americans at least). If you are interested in exotic plants that degrade natural habitats US, go to - http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu/ where there is a searchable index of element stewardship abstracts (ESAs) available for about 100 invasive species in the US. Just read a few of these plant-based disaster stories to get a sense of the botanical scope of unintended consequences. These ESAs are written for use by professional natural resource managers - hence they are not light reading. > When was the last time the headlines read "international terrorists smuggle moths into > country to wreak havoc on American forests" or "Clinton calls beetle terrorists worst threat > to date to American agriculture" > > Paul Cherubini Actually, while terrorists aren't likely to use insects as weapons, I do believe that Clinton is on record as saying that exotic species are a tremendous burden to the US economy (remember the Billions of dollars per year thing I mentioned in the original post). There were major articles on the Presidential initiative targeting exotic species introductions in US News and World Reports and Newsweek about 1-2 months ago. -- John Shuey From aa6g at aa6g.org Fri Jul 30 11:08:10 1999 From: aa6g at aa6g.org (Chuck Vaughn) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:08:10 -0700 Subject: Papilio zelicaon References: <004201beda90$8da37c40$c49ec9a5@JimM.wp.state.ks.us> Message-ID: <37A1BFCA.7D3F@aa6g.org> I had 12 Paplio zelicaon chyrsalises overwinter. Seven hatched by June and 5 are still chrysalises. The seem healthy, good color with normal flexibility. Has anyone ever heard of these overwintering for two seasons? I have kept them outside so they experienced all the local conditions. Thanks, Chuck Vaughn From drdn at mail.utexas.edu Fri Jul 30 00:53:55 1999 From: drdn at mail.utexas.edu (Chris J. Durden) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:53:55 -0500 Subject: Insect phylogeny In-Reply-To: <004201beda90$8da37c40$c49ec9a5@JimM.wp.state.ks.us> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990729235355.007ef950@mail.utexas.edu> Jim, The answer to your question would be a book that has not yet been written. The study of fossil insects is notoriously difficult. I would compare it to the study of the content of the crops of swifts that had been flushed and were being retrieved from the bottom of the sawage ponds! Add to that the loneliness of the specialists and the attendant rivalries, politics and self aggrandizement that go along with this. One of the biggest problems in understanding insect origins has been the concept of Uniramia. That is the evolution of insects from myriapods from onychophorans independant of other arthropods, even though this would require the evolution of striated muscle independently in two different lineages of arthropods. Recent DNA comparisons have shown that insects are more closely related to crustaceans than they are to millipedes. Thus Snodgrass was on the right track and both Crustacea and Insecta belong to Mandibulata at a sub-phylar level within Arthropoda. ------------- At 08:36 30/07/99 -0500, you wrote: >Here's one for the systematics folks to chew on. > >What is the currently accepted version of the phylogeny of the insects and >what is the evidence for it? Has the fossil record been elucidated very >much or is it all based on assuming that any insect with an aquatic larval >form is more primitive than one with a terrestrial larval form? --------------- It can be concluded that some ancestral insect was aquatic, having evolved an insect head from a crustacean ancestor, because different lineages of terrestrial insects have evolved several different methods of sperm transfer to the eggs or to the female, out of water. This suggests independent evolution of several separate lineages of terrestrial insects. Within winged insects there may be two, perhaps three lineages that independently evolved functional wings. The blattoid-orthopteroid orders from a terrestrial ancestor; the nygmate orders from an aquatic ancestor. Within the nygmate orders wings appear to have evolved in the aquatic ancestor where they may have funtioned as gills, because dragonflies appear to have gone terrestrial after the evolution of wings in their nygmate ancestor. Many orders later evolved aquatic insects secondarily, so one cannot say that an insect with an aquatic larva is more primitive than one with a terrestrial larva. ----------- > >This may be too broad for the Leps list, so if someone can suggest an >entomology forum for this posting, feel free. I am interested to find out >what has guided the determination that Scorpion Flies are "more advanced" >than Beetles, why are Fleas considered to be at the top of the heap, etc. > >Jim Mason, Naturalist >jmason at ink.org >(316) 683-5499 x103 >Great Plains Nature Center >6232 E. 29th St. N. >Wichita, KS 67220-2200 >http://www.gpnc.org > > ----------- As for ranking of beetles - scorpionflies - fleas, I don't think we can do this. The diagram of ordinal relationships as now known is more like a bush than a tree! ------------ I shall stick my neck out and give you a diagram: Infraphylum Mandibulata (with Crustacea etc.) Superclass INSECTA Class SYMPHYLA (with order SCOLOPENDRELLIDA (symphylans)) Class MYRIENTOMATA (with order PROTURA (telsontails)) Class ENTOTROPHI (with order DIPLURA (campodeans etc.) +) Class HEXAPODA Subclass OLIGOENTOMATA (with order COLLEMBOLA (springtails)) Subclass ARCHAEOGNATHA (with order MACHILIDA (bristletails) +) Subclass DICONDYLATA Infraclass APTERA (with order LEPISMIDA (silverfish) +) Infraclass ALATA Supraorder POLYNEOPTERA Superorder EMBIOIDEA Order ATOCIDA * (homoneurous protorthopterans) Order EMBIIDA (webspinner flies) Order ZORAPTERA (angel flies) Superorder HEMIPTEROIDEA Order PSOCIDA (barklice etc.) Order MALLOPHAGA (biting lice) Order HOMOPTERA (leafhoppers) Order HEMIPTERA (true bugs) Order ANOPLURA (sucking lice) Order THYSANOPTERA (thrips) Superorder PERLOIDEA Order PROTOPERLIDA* (heteroneurous protorthopterans) Order MIOMOPTERA* Order PROTELYTROPTERA* (false beetles) Order DERMAPTERA (earwigs etc.) Order PERLIDA (stoneflies) Superorder ORTHOPTEROIDEA Order HEMERISTIDA* (caloneurans) Order PHASMIDA (stick insecs etc.) Order TITANOPTERA* (giant leaf insects) Order ORTHOPTERA (grasshoppers) Superorder BLATTOPTEROIDEA Order GRYLLOPTERA (crickets) Order TERMITIDA (termites) Order MANTEIDA (praying mantis) Order BLATTOPTERA (roaches etc.) Superorder COLEOPTEROIDEA Order COLEOPTERA (beetles) Supraorder TELOMERIDA (flexwing nygmate insects) Superorder PROTOCICADOIDEA* Order CACURGIDA (nygmate homoneurous protorthoptera) Superorder PANORPOIDEA Order STREPSIPTEA (twistwing flies) Order RAPHIOPTERA (snowskips etc.) Order PANORPIDA (scorpionflies etc.) Order SIPHONAPTERA (fleas) Order TRICHOPTERA (caddis flies) Order LEPIDOPTERA (moths etc.) Order DIPTERA (two-wing flies) Superorder NEUROPTEROIDEA Order MEGALOPTERA (dobsonflies etc.) Order RAPHIDIIDA (snakeflies) Order NEUROPTERA (lacewing flies etc.) Order HYMENOPTERA (sawflies, wasps etc.) Supraorder PLAGIOPTERATA (stiff-winged nygmate insects) Superorder MEGASECOPTEROIDEA Order MEGASECOPTEIDA* (ripplewing flies) Order SYPHAROPTERIDA* (diaphanopters) Superorder EPHEMEROIDEA Order PALAEODICTYOPTERA* (netwing flies) Order ARCHODONATA* (permothemists) Order EPHEMERIDA (mayflies) Superorder LIBELLULOIDEA Order ODONATA (dragonflies) ------------------- ..........Chris Durden From gwang at mb.sympatico.ca Fri Jul 30 14:05:11 1999 From: gwang at mb.sympatico.ca (gwang) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:05:11 -0400 Subject: Nymphalis vaualbum j-album Message-ID: <37A1E957.5BBA@mb.sympatico.ca> Hi, Does anyone know how to distinguish between the sexes for this species? Thx in advance, Xi Wang From semjase at aol.com Fri Jul 30 15:02:41 1999 From: semjase at aol.com (Semjase) Date: 30 Jul 1999 19:02:41 GMT Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: <3.0.6.32.19990730091122.009033e0@csm.ex.ac.uk> Message-ID: <19990730150241.00360.00000479@ng-fo1.aol.com> > >And we all sing togethers. > >'The home of the brave, and the land of the FREE????????' > >or how about > >'Oh to be in England' - now that is still FREE. Do they still have the television police? From semjase at aol.com Fri Jul 30 15:01:16 1999 From: semjase at aol.com (Semjase) Date: 30 Jul 1999 19:01:16 GMT Subject: not political References: <199907301330.JAA29231@garnet.sover.net> Message-ID: <19990730150116.00360.00000478@ng-fo1.aol.com> > >Lep lovers and wanna be politicians- > >First of all, this is a lep. list not political science. So please some >kind person from whatever political realm the come from send me the address >to send commands for this list so i can get the hell off of it. If I wanted >to listen to some frivolous political BS I would simple go to a chat room. >Bunch of babies crying about the politics of US. Go live in hills or run >for office and be active, but for the sake of this list...talk leps or get >out. > >Thanks. >***************************************************** >Kent P. McFarland >Senior Research Biologist >Vermont Institute of Natural Science >27023 Church Hill Road >Woodstock, VT 05091 >802-457-2779 x124 voice mail, x216 fax >KMcFarland at VINSweb.org >Please visit our web page: www.vinsweb.org This message does not make sense. First you ask to be dropped from the list which of course can be arranged then you want us to leave also. Please make up your mind on this. S. From semjase at aol.com Fri Jul 30 14:57:32 1999 From: semjase at aol.com (Semjase) Date: 30 Jul 1999 18:57:32 GMT Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: <37A1B49A.3F58234C@tnc.org> Message-ID: <19990730145732.00360.00000477@ng-fo1.aol.com> > >paulcher at CONCENTRIC.NET wrote: > >> John Shuey wrote: >> >> > gypsy moths that defoliate hundreds of thousands of acres of forests >every >> > year - killing mature white oaks in the process. >> >> Semjase wrote: >> >> > Brought in by which moth enthusiast. Sorry but the big boys did this >one! >> >> Exactly what I was thinking. What documentation is there of any casual >> butterfly/moth/beetle enthusiasts being the source of any exotic pest >outbreaks or similar >> eco-catastrophes? >> > >I'm not sure which revisionist history books you guys are using, but gypsy >moths were introduced >into the US by a hack amateur moth enthusiast/Naturalist who though he could >hybridize species >in two different families to produce better silk production. He choose a >very prolific moth >from Europe to breed with our giant cocoon spinners in the US and or with the >silk moth itself. >What better example do you need on misguided "naturalist" screwing up the >environment. Just >think, if there had been a law in place to prevent this idiot from bringing >in the gypsy moth >back in 1866, my state (Indiana) wouldn't have to douse the countryside with >poison every year. > >For information on the history of the introduction go to: >http://www.gypsymoth.ento.vt.edu/~ravlin/gm_1996.html > > I'm sure that the guy who wrought ecological disaster to the Eastern US was >actually a nice >enough guy, with good personal intentions. He just never conceived of the >potential problems >associated with introducing an alien species into a world that lacks its >natural predators. >Little could he predict that he could spawn an entire multi-million dollar >industry devoted to >controlling the environmental damage he innocently and single-handedly >unleashed. Mr Shuey: Thank you for proving my point which is that it was done for industrial reasons to promote the silk industry. (The big boys) The cynthia is here for the same reason though seldom a pest. Same thing with killer bees and the list goes on and on. This is far different from the person who wishes to breed a few to observe life history and learn a few things about a new or different species. S. From Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca Fri Jul 30 15:45:28 1999 From: Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca (Kondla, Norbert FOR:EX) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:45:28 -0700 Subject: Chlosyne taxonomy question Message-ID: <60F1FEB31CA3D211A1B60008C7A45F43A412AF@blaze.bcsc.gov.bc.ca> In a recent book I saw a number of high elevation western north american Chlosyne taxa lumped under one species name, whitneyi, I think. While I respect the right of any and all to publish and promote their taxonomic views; I also reserve the right to examine evidence (or lack thereof) for such views and then come to my own conclusion. So my question is this: anyone know of a published or unpublished rationale for placing Sierra Nevada, Rocky Mountain and coastal mountain beasties into one species bag? Hint: 'Because they look like Chlosyne and live in the mountains' is not very convincing to me so I am looking for anything with substance. Thx in advance for any leads. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Norbert Kondla P.Biol., RPBio. Forest Ecosystem Specialist, Ministry of Environment 845 Columbia Avenue, Castlegar, British Columbia V1N 1H3 Phone 250-365-8610 Mailto:Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca http://www.env.gov.bc.ca From jhimmel at connix.com Fri Jul 30 16:04:52 1999 From: jhimmel at connix.com (jhimmel at connix.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Historical Moth Men (and women?) Message-ID: <199907302004.QAA10009@comet.connix.com> I'm doing some research on some of lepidopterists who have had moths named after them - the likes of Hubner, Morrison, Packard, etc.., as well as others who didn't name moths after them, but have made a significant contribution. Can anyone steer me to some literature on these people? Many thanks in advance - John <><><><><><><><><> John Himmelman Killingworth, CT USA jhimmel at connix.com <><><><><><><><><> From timbukt2 at excite.com Fri Jul 30 16:30:53 1999 From: timbukt2 at excite.com (Charles Gavette) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:30:53 PDT Subject: Fascism Message-ID: <933366653.16985.419@excite.com> Fascism divorces the mind from the body so well, that adopting to absurdity seems normal. "But the first stage of spiritual practice begins with the tangible. The body is disciplined by stretching, posture, herbs, martial arts, and meditation; its raw material and good health become the basis for further progress. Deeper states and powers cannot be immediately tapped." (Chronicles of Tao: The Golden Embryo) Notice the posture of the preacher(who wants us to leap ahead before it is time): stultification in the flesh, as opposed to, say, the smooth morphology of bodies in pleasure, synched to the undulating ether of the cosmic pulse. Thanks for the light, my fellow American. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From Neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 30 16:13:28 1999 From: Neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk (Neil Jones) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 99 20:13:28 GMT Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: <37A0AADD.290C810D@tnc.org>, <19990729210418.13143.00004296@ng-bh1.aol.com>, <37A0A6B0.7145@concentric.net> Message-ID: <933365608snz@nwjones.demon.co.uk> In article <37A0A6B0.7145 at concentric.net> Anti-environmental "Wise Use" propagandist paulcher at CONCENTRIC.NET "Paul Cherubini" writes: > John Shuey wrote: > > > gypsy moths that defoliate hundreds of thousands of acres of forests every > > year - killing mature white oaks in the process. > > Semjase wrote: > > > Brought in by which moth enthusiast. Sorry but the big boys did this one! > > Exactly what I was thinking. What documentation is there of any casual > butterfly/moth/beetle enthusiasts being the source of any exotic pest outbreaks > or similar > eco-catastrophes? > The Gypsy Moth was introduced by an enthusiast. A guy called Trouvelot if I recall correctly. The Cynthia moth was also introduced,I believe, by an enthusiast. Fortunately its effects are small -- Neil Jones- Neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk http://www.nwjones.demon.co.uk/ "At some point I had to stand up and be counted. Who speaks for the butterflies?" Andrew Lees - The quotation on his memorial at Crymlyn Bog National Nature Reserve From jshuey at tnc.org Fri Jul 30 17:58:29 1999 From: jshuey at tnc.org (John Shuey) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:58:29 -0500 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: Message-ID: <37A22005.F115E40A@tnc.org> As an Indiana Republican Congressman once said during the President Nixon impeachment hearings: "Don't confuse me with the facts" - a relevant quote given the following exchange:" semjase at aol.com wrote: > > > Brought in by which moth enthusiast. Sorry but the big boys did this > >one! > >> To which I replied: > > > >I'm not sure which revisionist history books you guys are using, but gypsy > >moths were introduced > >into the US by a hack amateur moth enthusiast/Naturalist who thought he could > >hybridize species > >in two different families to produce better silk production. He choose a > >very prolific moth > >from Europe to breed with our giant cocoon spinners in the US and or with the > >silk moth itself. > >What better example do you need on misguided "naturalist" screwing up the > >environment. Just > >think, if there had been a law in place to prevent this idiot from bringing > >in the gypsy moth > >back in 1866, my state (Indiana) wouldn't have to douse the countryside with > >poison every year. > > > >For information on the history of the introduction go to: > >http://www.gypsymoth.ento.vt.edu/~ravlin/gm_1996.html > > To which semjase responded: > > >Mr Shuey: > > Thank you for proving my point which is that it was done for industrial reasons > to promote the silk industry. (The big boys) The cynthia is here for the same > reason though seldom a pest. Same thing with killer bees and the list goes on > and on. > > This is far different from the person who wishes to breed a few to observe life > history and learn a few things about a new or different species. > > S. If you think that Mr. Trouvelot was an industrialist in the silk industry, then revisionist history strikes again. He was a dapper fool with a get rich scheme. As a generic aside with relevance to this discussion - it never hurts to actually know what you are talking about before you make an ass of yourself in front of a World audience. There is actually a fair amount of information available about gypsy moths on the web (not to mention books), including the history of the introduction to the US. God forbid that people take the time to actually get some facts under theirs belt before their fingers start to move on the keyboard. I even provided a link to a huge gypsy moth web site. Stupidity may be genetic, but ignorance is easily correctable. -- John Shuey From godley at hotmail.com Fri Jul 30 19:18:41 1999 From: godley at hotmail.com (Laurel Godley) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:18:41 PDT Subject: Papilio zelicaon Message-ID: <19990730231841.95204.qmail@hotmail.com> Chuck, Last year was the first year I reared this species. I'm seeing similar results as well. A large number of last season's pupae appear healthy but I haven't had any of them emerge in months. Though a good number came out early on. I wonder if it has to do with the over all cool temps in the SF Bay Area this year? After all, this was the first time it has snowed in downtown San Jose since I was a kid (and we lived higher in the Santa Cruz mnts then.) Also curiously enough, I have a couple of chalcedon checkerspots that seem to be delaying larval diapause. I had them looked at by Jasper Ridge's chalcedon expert and she was quite interested to see this. I've been asked to keep astute records on how they progress to see if they will actually bypass the normal hibernation. Again, I wonder if this could be a response to cooler temps in that perhaps it has extended the season for the host plant which would traditionally have dried out and been dead long since. Interesting stuff. Best wishes... Laurel >From: Chuck Vaughn >Reply-To: aa6g at AA6G.ORG >To: LEPS-L at lists.yale.edu >Subject: Papilio zelicaon >Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:08:10 -0700 > >I had 12 Paplio zelicaon chyrsalises overwinter. Seven hatched by June >and 5 are still chrysalises. The seem healthy, good color with normal >flexibility. Has anyone ever heard of these overwintering for two seasons? >I have kept them outside so they experienced all the local conditions. > >Thanks, > >Chuck Vaughn > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From acynor at fullerton.edu Fri Jul 30 20:04:33 1999 From: acynor at fullerton.edu (Anthony W. Cynor) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:04:33 -0700 Subject: Papilio zelicaon References: <19990730231841.95204.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <37A23D91.73BC151A@fullerton.edu> Tony Laurel Godley wrote: > > Chuck, > > Last year was the first year I reared this species. I'm seeing similar > results as well. A large number of last season's pupae appear healthy but I > haven't had any of them emerge in months. Though a good number came out > early on. I wonder if it has to do with the over all cool temps in the SF > Bay Area this year? After all, this was the first time it has snowed in > downtown San Jose since I was a kid (and we lived higher in the Santa Cruz > mnts then.) > > Also curiously enough, I have a couple of chalcedon checkerspots that seem > to be delaying larval diapause. I had them looked at by Jasper Ridge's > chalcedon expert and she was quite interested to see this. I've been asked > to keep astute records on how they progress to see if they will actually > bypass the normal hibernation. Again, I wonder if this could be a response > to cooler temps in that perhaps it has extended the season for the host > plant which would traditionally have dried out and been dead long since. > Interesting stuff. > > Best wishes... Laurel > > >From: Chuck Vaughn > >Reply-To: aa6g at AA6G.ORG > >To: LEPS-L at lists.yale.edu > >Subject: Papilio zelicaon > >Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:08:10 -0700 > > > >I had 12 Paplio zelicaon chyrsalises overwinter. Seven hatched by June > >and 5 are still chrysalises. The seem healthy, good color with normal > >flexibility. Has anyone ever heard of these overwintering for two seasons? > >I have kept them outside so they experienced all the local conditions. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Chuck Vaughn > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From acynor at fullerton.edu Fri Jul 30 20:08:53 1999 From: acynor at fullerton.edu (Anthony W. Cynor) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:08:53 -0700 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: <37A0AADD.290C810D@tnc.org>, <19990729210418.13143.00004296@ng-bh1.aol.com>, <37A0A6B0.7145@concentric.net> <933365608snz@nwjones.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <37A23E95.74A789A3@fullerton.edu> They were both brought in to run up silk production. If the people involved were some kind of enthusiasts that is a side issue. S. Neil Jones wrote: > > In article <37A0A6B0.7145 at concentric.net> > Anti-environmental "Wise Use" propagandist paulcher at CONCENTRIC.NET > "Paul Cherubini" writes: > > > John Shuey wrote: > > > > > gypsy moths that defoliate hundreds of thousands of acres of forests every > > > year - killing mature white oaks in the process. > > > > Semjase wrote: > > > > > Brought in by which moth enthusiast. Sorry but the big boys did this one! > > > > Exactly what I was thinking. What documentation is there of any casual > > butterfly/moth/beetle enthusiasts being the source of any exotic pest outbreaks > > or similar > > eco-catastrophes? > > > > The Gypsy Moth was introduced by an enthusiast. A guy called Trouvelot > if I recall correctly. > > The Cynthia moth was also introduced,I believe, by an enthusiast. > Fortunately its effects are small > > -- > Neil Jones- Neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk http://www.nwjones.demon.co.uk/ > "At some point I had to stand up and be counted. Who speaks for the > butterflies?" Andrew Lees - The quotation on his memorial at Crymlyn Bog > National Nature Reserve From acynor at fullerton.edu Fri Jul 30 20:20:12 1999 From: acynor at fullerton.edu (Anthony W. Cynor) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:20:12 -0700 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? References: <37A2247A.74891111@tnc.org> Message-ID: <37A2413C.2D37A01C@fullerton.edu> > > Tony - > > I think that you have a problem with people who have opinions that differ from > yours - well I actually love this country, and defending it from idiots is indeed > within my constitutional rights. > > In fact rather than just bitch, I tend to take action. Last month I met with > aides from Senator Lugar's office (Chair of the Senate Ag committee) to discuss > this and other issues. There are actually bills before the house and senate which > address this (exotic species) and other important issues, and I believe that > contributing to the discussion is indeed healthy. > > Doesn't it seem a little absurd to suggest that by defending our social and legal > structure, I want to move to a totalitarian state. I suggest you get into a solid > liberal arts university, where they teach you some analytical / logic skills. > > John I think you are not very observant Mr. Shuey. Regardless of your closing statement I do believe you are acting in a manner opposite of that which you think you are. Tony > > acynor at fullerton.edu wrote: > > > I suppose you prefer totalitarianism and police state activities? Please > > move to any such nation permanently! > > > > Tony > > From conlan at adnc.com Fri Jul 30 20:40:31 1999 From: conlan at adnc.com (Chris Conlan) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:40:31 -0700 Subject: Papilio zelicaon Message-ID: <199907310043.RAA28575@barley.adnc.com> It is quite common for zelicaon as well as other swallowtails from arid climates to overwinter for multiple years. I have had zelicaon wait for three years and would not be surprised to see them go even longer. Some in the indra complex can really test your patience! Chris From conlan at adnc.com Fri Jul 30 20:52:48 1999 From: conlan at adnc.com (Chris Conlan) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:52:48 -0700 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? Message-ID: <199907310056.RAA29930@barley.adnc.com> A point that seems to have been missed here about introductions like Gypsy Moth and Cynthia Moth is that these are not cases of an enthusiast accidentally letting a couple moths fly out the window. In order for these populations to really get established the culprit had to have tossed a very large number of individuals out the window. All of the hobbyists I know of would never do such a thing. Chris From dyanega at pop.ucr.edu Fri Jul 30 21:21:41 1999 From: dyanega at pop.ucr.edu (Doug Yanega) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:21:41 -0700 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? Message-ID: >A point that seems to have been missed here about introductions like Gypsy >Moth and Cynthia Moth is that these are not cases of an enthusiast >accidentally letting a couple moths fly out the window. In order for these >populations to really get established the culprit had to have tossed a very >large number of individuals out the window. They were BREEDING them. That requires large populations. Know anyone in the US presently breeding exotic insects without permits to do so? > All of the hobbyists I know of >would never do such a thing. S*** HAPPENS. If you'd agree to sign a form that indicates that you and your descendants will pay in case something you import gets loose, then fine, I won't complain; you'd be taking responsibility for unforeseen events. Until such a contract is an option, bringing in a potential pest, for a hobby or otherwise, is irresponsible. You claim it's not a potential pest? Your job should be to prove it's safe, and not my job to prove it's dangerous. Do I believe that either of these things will ever happen? Of course not, but I can dream... ;-) Yo, folks, we've already been through this thread before. Unless someone has changed their opinions since last time, I doubt we'll get anywhere we *haven't* been yet. Peace, Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California - Riverside, Riverside, CA 92521 phone: (909) 787-4315 (standard disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) http://insects.ucr.edu/staff/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 From jrg13 at psu.edu Fri Jul 30 21:59:23 1999 From: jrg13 at psu.edu (John Grehan) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:59:23 -0400 Subject: deliberate introductions In-Reply-To: <37A0EF35.28AB0870@fullerton.edu> References: <37A0AADD.290C810D@tnc.org> <990729175312.ZM14182@Gochfeld> Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990730215923.0fefcf12@email.psu.edu> Just for general interest I can describe an example of restrictions involved with importation of live larvae and pupae in a country outside the US. I needed to import larvae of some wood boring moths into New Zealand. The larvae required live callus tissue as their normal diet, and I was to rear them on artificial diet (not designed for these insects, but hopefully sufficient to rear near mature larvae). The permiting process required that I keep them in a sealed, locked room with no direct access (such as windows) to the outside. Each larva was to be kept separate. Each specimen had to be accounted for. The storage area was inspected by the authorities. I had to justify the need to import the specimens and present an argument on the improbability (not as a quantified prediction) of their escape and establishment. I don't know whether some on this list would consider New Zealand to be fascist for this kind of policy, but it seemed a reasonble precaution. Like the US, there has been a lot of damaging introductions. Whether any insect introductions resulted from enthusiasts I could not say, but at least some other plant and animal pests entered that way. John Grehan From drdn at mail.utexas.edu Fri Jul 30 09:05:01 1999 From: drdn at mail.utexas.edu (Chris J. Durden) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:05:01 -0500 Subject: Nymphalis vaualbum j-album In-Reply-To: <37A1E957.5BBA@mb.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990730080501.007e1e40@mail.utexas.edu> All angles of the wings are rounder in the female. In this species the male genitalia are pulled into the abdomen. On the living male a gentle squeeze on the abdomen will stimulate eversion of the valvae which may then be seen clasping and unclasping, occasonally the aedeagus may be everted also. On the dead specimen break off the abdomen or snip off the end. Wet with alcohol, soften in warm water with detergent. When soft the parts may be separated and dissected. I prefer this method to KOH digestion which tends to destroy some minor characters such as scale clumps and plugs. .........Chris Durden At 02:05 30/07/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, >Does anyone know how to distinguish between the sexes for this species? > >Thx in advance, >Xi Wang > > From martin at kitenet.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 31 05:13:34 1999 From: martin at kitenet.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Harvey) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:13:34 +0100 Subject: moths sense heat? References: Message-ID: <7nueoo$lq4$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Moths must sense heat to some degree, as they do not become active until temperatures are high enough for flight or mating etc. Some species at least are very choosy about where they lay eggs, requiring precise micro-habitat/micro-climate conditions, and it is likely that temperature is one of the cues used to detect the best spots (and larvae can be very temperature-sensitive). However, adult moths do not seem to recognise extreme heat as a danger, given their propensity for flying into flames or hot Tilley lamps. They will also land on very hot mercury vapour lamp bulbs, and some at least will quickly drop to the ground after actually touching down on the bulb. I guess you would need to put out a heat source that doesn't produce any light to test things further. Martin Harvey From MatSmith1 at compuserve.com Sat Jul 31 06:09:22 1999 From: MatSmith1 at compuserve.com (Matthew Smith) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 06:09:22 -0400 Subject: problems with pupae at the airport? Message-ID: <199907310609_MC2-7F14-A5C@compuserve.com> >>'Oh to be in England' - now that is still FREE. Do they still have the television police? < Not any more. They stopped showing Hawaii 50 quite a few years ago, unless you subscribe to cable or satallite Matt From jorolat at aol.com Sat Jul 31 08:16:10 1999 From: jorolat at aol.com (Jorolat) Date: 31 Jul 1999 12:16:10 GMT Subject: Darwin v Lamarck v Reality Message-ID: <19990731081610.14009.00004098@ng-fj1.aol.com> Selection" and "The inheritance of acquired characteristics". On the one hand is an unpopular view that inherently recognises non-intelligent life is both real and alive and on the other is a theory that, because it has little reality external to the intellect, can`t be tested. The single-cell Common Ancestor that lived 3.6 billion years ago had the natural capability to create copies of itself each with an independent life. It was able to do this without thought, theory or intelligence because the ability was innate. Surely suggesting that organisms with such an astonishing capability may also have had, under specific conditions, the innate ability to evolve is only being sensible rather than sensational?. Jorolat http://members.aol.com/jorolat An Internal Evolutionary Mechanism: A simple Model and Method of Testing How Psychology colours perception of Natural Realities Trauma/Bullying/Social Violence/Professional Abusers etc. From jtuttle at fiaaz.net Sat Jul 31 09:09:53 1999 From: jtuttle at fiaaz.net (Tuttle) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:09:53 -0600 Subject: Lepidopterists' Society Season Summary Search Engine Message-ID: <37A2F5A1.7DFD@fiaaz.net> The technical problems have been worked out and the Season Summary is back on-line. The database contains 13,500+ records and continues to grow every year. Take the time to check out this valuable resource. Jim Tuttle Season Summary Editor From jtuttle at fiaaz.net Sat Jul 31 09:12:14 1999 From: jtuttle at fiaaz.net (Tuttle) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:12:14 -0600 Subject: Lepidopterists' Society Season Summary Search Engine Message-ID: <37A2F62E.2414@fiaaz.net> The technical problems have been worked out and the Season Summary is back on-line. The database contains 13,500+ records and continues to grow every year. Take the time to check out this valuable resource. The address is www.furman.edu/~snyder/snyder/lep/ Jim Tuttle Season Summary Editor From cguppy at quesnelbc.com Fri Jul 30 20:34:01 1999 From: cguppy at quesnelbc.com (Cris Guppy & Aud Fischer) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:34:01 -0700 Subject: Nymphalis vaualbum j-album Message-ID: <004001bedb81$ab99cc80$75dcc2cf@cguppy> In British Columbia, males are strongly patterned in shades of grey and/or brown on the ventral, females are more evenly coloured. The difference between sexes is similar to that of many Polygonia species. Females are rarely seen in the fall, but are more abundant than males in the spring. If anyone in eastern North America has found something different I would be interested in hearing of it. -----Original Message----- From: gwang To: leps-l at lists.yale.edu Date: July 30, 1999 12:28 PM Subject: Nymphalis vaualbum j-album >Hi, >Does anyone know how to distinguish between the sexes for this species? > >Thx in advance, >Xi Wang > > From e.p.mamede at mail.telepac.pt Sat Jul 31 20:31:44 1999 From: e.p.mamede at mail.telepac.pt (Eduardo Paes Mamede) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 01:31:44 +0100 Subject: Identifying a moth? Message-ID: <37A39562.20C2E245@mail.telepac.pt> Hi, I would like your help to identify a strange (to me...) insect that I saw one of these nights in my garden... Here are the facts: Local: Portugal near Lisbon and 2Km near the Atlantic Time: 3,30 AM Temperature: 15 degrees Celsius Weather: no wind or clouds The insect was 6cm long with strips on the abdomen, big dark eyes and antennas each one ended by two little spheres. the head had a kind of a bill. I couldnt saw its wings... It was collecting polen from a Cestrum Nocturnus. When it was collecting, it flyes like a hummingbird... but without sound. I had recorded a video, and had extracted some frames of it. I can send four frames (68k each) to help the identification... Sorry about my poor english but it is not my native language...:-) Thanks Eduardo -- ********************* Eduardo M.L. Paes Mamede Funchalinho Portugal Tlm.0936 6086424 http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/1472 ICQ: 4007866 emamede at mail.eselx.ipl.pt emamede at yahoo.com ******************** From paulcher at concentric.net Sat Jul 31 17:46:20 1999 From: paulcher at concentric.net (Paul Cherubini) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:46:20 +0000 Subject: 4,000 Monarchs to be Released at Shopping Mall Grand Opening in Atlanta, Aug 13. References: Message-ID: <37A36EAC.3C53@concentric.net> Company Press Release Simon Celebrates Grand Opening of Mall of Georgia ATLANTA--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 30,1999--Simon Property Group Inc., the nation's largest mall owner and manager, today announced plans for Mall of Georgia's three-day grand opening celebration beginning August 13, 1999. 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