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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 17, 2013 5:48
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Leps-l] Potential loss of
monarch overwinteringhabitat in Mexico</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Stan,<BR><BR><BR> All I can tell you is my
experience. I am 54 years old. I am sitting here holding my
"National Geographic Reader" that I was given in 4th grade (1970). The
ENTIRE issue is dedicated to: <BR><BR>"The Coming Ice Age"<BR>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><BR> Inside - are a dozen stories about how
the world will NOT be able to feed itself by the year 2001 due to the cooling
and the advancing glaciers. Much of it due to the pollution man was
spewing intto the atmosphere was causing less sunlight to hit the planet and
blah, blah, blah.<BR><BR>I am VERY glad that I did not dedicate my entire life
to stopping the impending disaster.<BR><BR>I suspect the "anthropogenic global
warming" disasters will be of a similar caliber to the Ice age disasters from
my youth.<BR><BR>I also say that most "environmentalists" are not concerned
about the environment AT ALL...instead, they are concerned about the
environment - <B>as they remember it. <BR></B><BR>I have fossil
palm tree leaves that I found in my yard here in Maryland. I LIKE palm
trees. Maryland doesn't HAVE any palm trees now. <BR><BR>Those damn
native Americans must have killed them all. Damn those
humans.......<BR><BR><BR><BR>Yes, we should try to minimize our impact.
But, we are on a deserted island rock hanging in space. If we do not get
our species off of it - we are DOOMED to extinction.<BR><BR>I love nature as
much as anybody. <BR><BR>But, if we need to make this planet "Trantor"
to get off of it - then so be it. If we need to raze EVERY mountain,
drain every ocean, and kill EVERY species to do so, then THAT is what you
do.<BR><BR>I don't think we need to be THAT severe.<BR><BR>But, there IS a
giant meteor SOMEWHERE in the universe on a DIRECT collision course with this
planet.<BR><BR><B>Never forget the purpose of the game - save the species -
US.</B><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On 2/16/2013 11:10 PM, Stan Gorodenski
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:5120583A.2020500@commspeed.net type="cite"><PRE wrap="">
On 2/16/2013 8:16 PM, Foley, Patrick wrote:
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Count me (and the great majority of atmospheric scientists) among the climate change alarmists.
This is however not my area of expertise. Paul should go argue this out with NOAA scientists. Or any atmospheric scientists.
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeling_Curve">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeling_Curve</A>
Skepticism in science is a very useful tool. But one should be skeptical of ones own views also. Nietzsche said once " The courage of one's convictions -- a common error; real courage is questioning one's own convictions." Scientists (including climate change "alarmists") do this all the time. That is the essence of science. As far as I can see, most climate change deniers do not question their own belief systems or what motivates them.
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">Good point. This never occurred to me. I wonder if climate change
deniers even know themselves what motivates them. I can see all kinds of
influences, including the political and religious group one belongs to.
I also wonder if it is the culture of anti-science that is fostering
this. The deniers are intelligent. Because of the anti-science culture
they make their own interpretations of data in lieu of those of scientists.
Stan
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