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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">First of all shuey never said the following -
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I'm afraid Jim and I agree that the elephant in the closet is prescribed fire prairie management. These isolated preserves are partially and sometimes totally burned and burned
often. If we were to bring it up on the list serve it will start another set of attacks. last year Shuey even wrote in the Lep News that after they (he and the TNC) burned the hell out of their Indiana prairies they now need to work on getting the species
back. We call that prairie creationism, right Jim?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What he said was that after planting over 6,000 acres of old crop land to over 600 species of vascular plants, and that we are now waiting for those species
that are hiding in the creases – mainly skippers, to move into the restoration. Perhaps the problem with this entire set of stupid rants is that many of the most vocal participants in these debates aren’t exactly the sharpest tools in the shed.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If you want to just sit around and whine about stuff – that’s fine. But quit bitching about people like Dr. Taylor who are actually willing to go out and do
something about the things they care about.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="file:///\\And">And</a> FYI, things like Poanes massasoit, Euphyes dion, Satyrodes eurydice, Euphyes bimacula, Problema byssus and Speyeria idalia have
found their way into the restoration from the creases of those so called poorly managed preserves adjacent to the restoration. Were in the “willing to actually do something about it world”, we call that conservation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Shuey<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> leps-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu [mailto:leps-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Wiker<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 17, 2013 6:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> dws1108@msn.com; leps-l@mailman.yale.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Leps-l] [leps-talk] Monarch Armageddon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Dennis and Doug,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Both, nicely said, well written and all valid. Dennis, I completely agree. All things combined (it's like a pheasant flying past a dozen shotguns) sooner or later,
you're gonna get it. They have little chance. And Doug, to answer one of you questions: these were established populations, especially Ottoe. I left out Sassacus because it was a fringe species, but it appears gone too. Arogos was an anomaly, but the rest
were resident breeding populations that at times were huge. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Dennis is right though, these things have as much to worry about from over management as they do development. And, once they're gone (especially skippers) you just
can't put them back. Has anyone seen that work yet? They are not like a chalkboard, you can't erase them and think that they can just be relocated. At least in my experiences, when they are gone, they're gone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Jim Wiker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Dennis Schlicht <<a href="mailto:dws1108@msn.com">dws1108@msn.com</a>><br>
To: MexicoDoug <<a href="mailto:mexicodoug@aol.com">mexicodoug@aol.com</a>>; Jim Wiker <<a href="mailto:papaipema@aol.com">papaipema@aol.com</a>>; Andrew Williams <<a href="mailto:studiesnature@gmail.com">studiesnature@gmail.com</a>><br>
Sent: Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:51 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Leps-l] [leps-talk] Monarch Armageddon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks for you candid sympathy.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I'm afraid Jim and I agree that the elephant in the closet is prescribed fire prairie management. These isolated preserves are partially and sometimes totally burned
and burned often. If we were to bring it up on the list serve it will start another set of attacks. last year Shuey even wrote in the Lep News that after they (he and the TNC) burned the hell out of their Indiana prairies they now need to work on getting the
species back. We call that prairie creationism, right Jim?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">So we have isolated prairie obligate leps, surrounded by toxic corn, with huge changes in climate (moisture changes) and therefor vegetation changes. The TNC and
the DNRs are the enemy of biodiversity here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Dennis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">
<a href="mailto:mexicodoug@aol.com" title="mailto:mexicodoug@aol.com">MexicoDoug</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">
<a href="mailto:papaipema@aol.com" title="mailto:papaipema@aol.com">papaipema@aol.com</a> ;
<a href="mailto:dws1108@msn.com" title="mailto:dws1108@msn.com">dws1108@msn.com</a> ;
<a href="mailto:leps-l@mailman.yale.edu" title="mailto:leps-l@mailman.yale.edu">leps-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:50 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> Re: [Leps-l] [leps-talk] Monarch Armageddon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks Jim, Thanks Dennis,<br>
<br>
I'm saddened to hear this. I also think a reasonable interpretation <br>
could attribute this to the farming practices, and if everything is <br>
sitting in the middle of the corn varieties bred to have herbicide <br>
tolerance ... it doesn't take a genius to have at least a little <br>
confidence as to the causal relationship with the change in farming <br>
technique.<br>
<br>
I don't have the same sensitivity to this issue as you. In my case it <br>
is simply an empty feeling that accompanies the continued loss of <br>
biodiversity in some place far away while I have my own set of <br>
ecological problems closer to the heart. So it is with the due respect <br>
of not living with it in my backyard that I ask your indulgence to <br>
think about my comments.<br>
<br>
First, the good; I want to congratulate you both on dedicating your <br>
time to insects that in the public perception are probably <br>
insignificant, drab little skippers which get about as much respect as <br>
moths in musty closet. I personally find miniature skippers <br>
marvelously exquisite and certainly more intellectually challenging <br>
than Monarchs sans the migration phenomenon. You are presenting first <br>
hand data which when combined with other species statistics gives us a <br>
more concrete measuring stick of ecological health by not picking some <br>
"pretty" generalized ecological indicator. Far more useful for <br>
scientific analysis to describe the rate the ecosystem is declining.<br>
<br>
Next, the bad: As scientific, the hypothesis that it is Bt corn (or <br>
whatever the hypothesis) needs to be tested rather than conveniently <br>
assumed as I did in my first paragraph, I want to be sure that I am <br>
properly interpreting the loss in its context. Are these species at the <br>
fringe of their ranges and is there any other explanation we should <br>
rule out? The edge of a USDA type zone which breathes cyclically? And <br>
was this land the robust natural habitat for these skippers before the <br>
farmers came on to the scene ... or was their appearance likely <br>
prompted by prior farming techniques which altered the ecosystem and <br>
gave them the cornfield-niche in the first place? There are more <br>
considerations I'm sure you've both though about, and it is a very <br>
healthy discussion to go through them as the due diligence of <br>
presenting unbiased statements.<br>
<br>
Finally, the ugly: I hope anyone reading this knows that my question <br>
was not whether the test-tube bred corn was detrimental to habitat. It <br>
was whether the Bt-Corn pollen, is killing the larvae as the Cornell <br>
study said it would and was used indiscriminately under what would be <br>
pseudoscientific pretences to create anarchy in the agricultural <br>
industry and all of its dependents 12-15 years ago, and was still <br>
kicking and screaming 10 years ago. If it didn't, I'm relieved but <br>
need to re-evaluate the reputation of those who jumped on this <br>
bandwagon and see whether they fudged their research techniques for the <br>
purpose distorting truth and advancing an agenda. Please don't think <br>
I'm supporting the use of these agricultural techniques. I need <br>
Bt-corn in my zone as much as I want to live next to a garbage dump. <br>
But a balanced approach is imperative where scientific credibility is <br>
not abused by those who prey on the ignorance of the public perception <br>
because they feel they have a superior moral calling. There is no room <br>
in science for Popes. In Sagan's words - there are no "scientific <br>
authorities", just a method and to that I would add a scholarly conduct <br>
which is as old as science itself, when it branched off from philosophy <br>
and religion.<br>
<br>
Epilogue: In a country where less than 2% of the population is <br>
interested in doing commercial farming and land is being gobbled up at <br>
IMO truly alarming rates due to unfettered population growth which is <br>
transparently demonstrable (I'm an alarmist! ;-) , it is not surprising <br>
to me that ecological niches are decreasing. I fail to see how a small <br>
group of elite and affluent find terrorizing technology a moral calling <br>
rather than utilizing systematic approaches to optimizing what we <br>
have...and going back to the basics of the 1960's ZPG population growth <br>
models. The current national model of the USA is growth, growth, <br>
growth - for everything from collecting taxes, to growing business and <br>
government, increasing infrastructure, and just about everything else. <br>
I would expect to lose niches along the way since these political <br>
pressures for growth require that agriculture becomes more efficient as <br>
the industry is asked to grow more food with less acreage and manpower. <br>
The fact that the corn-belt is looking more like a factory is one <br>
visible manifestation of this. If the glass is half empty, I'd just <br>
say, let’s all move to the Sierra foothills of California and Oregon, <br>
and then north to Alaska. But if it is half full, just involve the <br>
community and share the beauty of nature in a positive manner to <br>
support a culture of appreciation instead of finger pointing which will <br>
only turn people off from scientists and the scientific method in <br>
general. Provide unbiased statistics and have people miss nature <br>
instead of run away from the scientific alarmists, infidels and <br>
priests. Since this thread began a week ago, US population has <br>
increased by 60,000. That is 1.2 million more acres (1,800 square <br>
miles) of habitat disruption: 500,000 acres in the US and 700,000 acres <br>
outsourced. The total area mentioned is double the area of Champaign <br>
County, Illinois. Crap. Now, to till my first vegetable garden and <br>
identify which politicians are ZPG friendly....<br>
<br>
Best<br>
Doug<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jim Wiker <<a href="mailto:papaipema@aol.com" title="mailto:papaipema@aol.com">papaipema@aol.com</a>><br>
To: dws1108 <<a href="mailto:dws1108@msn.com" title="mailto:dws1108@msn.com">dws1108@msn.com</a>>; leps-l <<a href="mailto:leps-l@mailman.yale.edu" title="mailto:leps-l@mailman.yale.edu">leps-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>><br>
Sent: Sat, Feb 16, 2013 10:37 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Leps-l] [leps-talk] Monarch Armageddon<br>
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Doug,<br>
Same thing A. arogos, H. ottoe, H. metea and H. leonardus here in <br>
Illinois. Most where common to abundant (where they occurred) into the <br>
mid 1990's. At that point they began a rather rapid decline and now <br>
haven't been seen for a number of years. Ottoe in particular, well into <br>
the 90's could be found by the hundreds in several sites, I saw the <br>
last one in Illinois with Bob Pyle in 2008. It, nor the others have <br>
been seen since.<br>
Jim Wiker<br>
Greenview, IL<br>
<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Dennis Schlicht &lt;<a href="mailto:dws1108@msn.com">dws1108@msn.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: MexicoDoug &lt;<a href="mailto:mexicodoug@aol.com">mexicodoug@aol.com</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: leps-l &lt;<a href="mailto:leps-l@mailman.yale.edu">leps-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Sat, Feb 16, 2013 9:11 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Leps-l] [leps-talk] Monarch Armageddon<br>
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Doug,<br>
They were doing Ok through the 80's and most of the 90's but then were <br>
wiped out by the late 2000's. Poweshiek numbers went from around 100 on <br>
one site to none by 2010. These species were on preserves, not farm <br>
land, but were surrounded by row crops. Gone or nearly so are O. <br>
poweshiek, A. arogos, H. dacotae, H. ottoe and C. inornata. A few <br>
others are not far behind.<br>
Dennis Schlicht<br>
Iowa Lepidoptera Project<br>
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From: MexicoDoug<br>
To: <a href="mailto:dws1108@msn.com" title="mailto:dws1108@msn.com">dws1108@msn.com</a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:leps-l@mailman.yale.edu" title="mailto:leps-l@mailman.yale.edu">
leps-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:54 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [Leps-l] [leps-talk] Monarch Armageddon<br>
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<br>
Dennis,<br>
<br>
It would be helpful to know whether these species' disappearances in<br>
your area were doing well before the Bt corn, or already on the brink<br>
of loss due to the farming practices. Also, whether this loss you've<br>
documented is due to the larva of the respective species ingesting<br>
amounts toxic to them and dying due to it as was proposed by the<br>
Cornell group. If it wasn't, I'd argue the unfortunate situation was,<br>
at best, not helped by a raging controversy which IMO served to <br>
divert<br>
and divide attention from these issues, and not present work in<br>
alternate peer reviewed journals - which could be as simple as <br>
computer<br>
models to maintain a greater degree of biodiversity.<br>
<br>
Could a more collaborative environment have come up with real <br>
solutions<br>
and perhaps a coordinated crop rotation scheme which maintained some<br>
useful wild area interspersed intelligently (where students at local <br>
ag<br>
colleges in a supportive roll could participate in the design as part<br>
of their curriculum)? Perhaps not. But it's not too late to find <br>
out<br>
- I hope.<br>
<br>
I'm not trying to be a Monday morning quarterback; and my post was <br>
not<br>
in support of Bt-corn. I'm glad it's not in my backyard, and how<br>
boring it must be to try to go Lepping in such an area. It's seeing<br>
the tactics used by scientists we trust. My favorite butterfly<br>
observing grounds was a unique mountain foothill habitat on disturbed<br>
ground which had become overgrown and basically wild and teaming with<br>
over 100 species of butterflies, and at any given time at least 1/3<br>
that amount. Now, the many hectares, without exception, are parking<br>
lots and malls and shopping areas in a series of new sprawled out<br>
commercial centers - and at the boundaries are residential areas with<br>
manicured lawns and the like. The development wiped out everything<br>
except the cockroaches and people and occasional vagrant that ends up<br>
plastered to a radiator grill.<br>
<br>
I am sure we all are sensitive to the overpopulation problem. Every<br>
year the US adds 3,000,000 people. In 1965 it was 194 million; <br>
today,<br>
over 315 million. It is difficult for me to fathom how much <br>
equivalent<br>
habit is destroyed for each person for their activities (imagine<br>
3,000,000 dumped concentrated into your state - that is approximately<br>
the average amount by state since 1965, btw) , "infrastructure<br>
development", and of course the food they require. For some reason <br>
no<br>
one is having any success in controlling this and we are stuck with<br>
these consequences everywhere. We could outsource farming, by<br>
importing more food from Canada, etc., but then we'd only be <br>
exporting<br>
the environmental drain with it to other places...<br>
<br>
Very sorry to hear what you reported,<br>
Doug<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Dennis Schlicht &lt;<a href="mailto:dws1108@msn.com">dws1108@msn.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: leps-l &lt;<a href="mailto:leps-l@mailman.yale.edu">leps-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>&gt;; MexicoDoug
<br>
&lt;<a href="mailto:mexicodoug@aol.com">mexicodoug@aol.com</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Sat, Feb 16, 2013 9:48 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Leps-l] [leps-talk] Monarch Armageddon<br>
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Doug,<br>
The article below says Bt corn was 19% of the crop then. It's 80-90%<br>
now. While all of this Monarch concern has been going on, we have <br>
lost<br>
5 prairie obligate butterflies in the tall-grass prairie/ Bt corn<br>
region (my data in Iowa). Our prairies are surrounded by corn.<br>
Dennis Schlicht<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: MexicoDoug<br>
To: <a href="mailto:monarch@saber.net" title="mailto:monarch@saber.net">monarch@saber.net</a> ;
<a href="mailto:leps-l@mailman.yale.edu" title="mailto:leps-l@mailman.yale.edu">leps-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 2:35 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [Leps-l] [leps-talk] Monarch Armageddon<br>
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"Doug, it was Lincoln Brower who first set the precedent<br>
for using the word "Armageddon" in this article and others like <br>
it:"<br>
<br>
Paul,<br>
<br>
Huh ;-0 ??? I honestly didn't know and wouldn't expect he was the<br>
source.<br>
<br>
I wonder what the majority of unbiased scientists think of someone <br>
of<br>
Lincoln Brower's repute throwing out words such as "Armageddon" to<br>
describe the evolving sciences in agro-biotechnology. This is really<br>
an insult to science; 'Armageddon' has deeply religious connotations<br>
and is from the New Testament Bible the destruction of the Devil an<br>
epic battle when God comes down and unleashes his fury. What place<br>
do<br>
such religious overtone-statements have in science other than to<br>
polarize/bias, divert and offend researchers and constructive<br>
discussion?<br>
<br>
I just Googled, and sadly it seems you are right. I found this<br>
article<br>
in Mother Jones that Brower had written in 2001, which was a result<br>
of<br>
the GMO scandal that developed at that time:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/85" target="_blank" title="http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/85">http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/85</a><br>
<br>
It gives me insight, to say the least.<br>
<br>
It seems that Brower for some reason couldn't participate in the <br>
USDA<br>
grant for the research into the GMO-larva topic program and $200,000<br>
grant (which he considered a pittance). Another diverse team of<br>
experts with some of the finest academic credentials in this country<br>
was selected and a paper resulted published in the most prestigious<br>
peer reviewed journal in the United States - The Proceedings of the<br>
National Academy of Sciences:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.pnas.org/content/98/21/11937.abstract?sid=e059121b-ade8-4518-895c-2c10e4c5b113" target="_blank" title="http://www.pnas.org/content/98/21/11937.abstract?sid=e059121b-ade8-4518-895c-2c10e4c5b113">http://www.pnas.org/content/98/21/11937.abstract?sid=e059121b-ade8-4518-895c-2c10e4c5b113</a><br>
<br>
Brower's political statement printed in Mother Jones strikes me as <br>
a<br>
scathing, rambling condemnation and conspiracy theory - political<br>
mobilization strategy. Is that an appropriate place to refute a<br>
publication by trashing everyone in government and industry? Or<br>
would<br>
it be better to respond in the same peer review journal which <br>
accepts<br>
<br>
contrary/disagreement submissions in a specific format for this <br>
purpose<br>
<br>
called "Letters to the PNAS". I couldn't find any retort. Maybe<br>
you'll have better luck:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.pnas.org/cgi/collection/letters" target="_blank" title="http://www.pnas.org/cgi/collection/letters">http://www.pnas.org/cgi/collection/letters</a><br>
<br>
In the 1960's time frame Lincoln had the honor to be published in<br>
thwe<br>
PNAS himself, at least 4 times. He is also an excellent speaker.<br>
<br>
Is the "Bt-corn killing monarch larvae" in the field still<br>
objectionable by ecologists anymore, on a scientific basis? Now I<br>
think<br>
it finally hit me why the monarch topic is avoided by some list<br>
members.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
Doug<br>
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From: Paul Cherubini &lt;<a href="mailto:monarch@saber.net">monarch@saber.net</a>&gt;<br>
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Subject: Re: [Leps-l] [leps-talk] Monarch Armageddon<br>
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On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:00 PM, MexicoDoug wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; I added the search term "Armageddon" for fun.<br>
<br>
Doug, it was Lincoln Brower who first set the precedent<br>
for using the word "Armageddon" in this article and others like it:<br>
<a href="http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/july2011/GMcropsmonarchbutterflieshabitat.php" target="_blank" title="http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/july2011/GMcropsmonarchbutterflieshabitat.php">http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/july2011/GMcropsmonarchbutterflieshabitat.php</a><br>
<br>
In the article Lincoln said this about Roundup herbicide use<br>
in the GMO crops of the upper Midwest:<br>
<br>
“It kills everything. It’s biodiversity Armageddon,"<br>
<br>
And Lincoln and Chip Taylor collaborated on a paper<br>
and wrote: "We conclude that, because of the extensive<br>
use of glyphosate herbicide on crops that are genetically<br>
modified to resist the herbicide, milkweeds will disappear<br>
almost completely from croplands."<br>
<br>
But the critically important information they don't mention<br>
in their paper is that the field margins of these Roundup<br>
treated GMO crops are teaming with bumblebees, honeybees,<br>
monarchs and butterflies like this:<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZCOJnJU1UE" target="_blank" title="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZCOJnJU1UE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZCOJnJU1UE</a><br>
<br>
So those GMO croplands are not hardly a legitimate<br>
example of "Biodiversity Armageddon"<br>
<br>
Paul Cherubini<br>
El Dorado, Calif.<br>
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