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<p>Whether there are open borders or not and proper evidence says
there aren't,<br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/02/gateway-pundit/us-southern-border-completely-open-s-false/">https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/02/gateway-pundit/us-southern-border-completely-open-s-false/</a></p>
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<p>is not particularly relevant. Crazy people believing nonsensical
things have caused the closure of an important butterfly site.
Constantly dismissing any news site that writes about this as
partisan or leftist does not give you any credibility. It is news.
It gets into newspapers. <br>
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<p>Neil Jones<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/02/2022 20:33, Roger Kuhlman
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The piece that appeared in the New York Times is mainly advocacy
for partisan Leftist Democrat positions and power. It has so
much focus on extreme Rightwing crazies that is hard to take it
as serious journalism. If you want promote the preservation of
butterfly numbers and diversity, you cannot let native
ecosystems and natural habitats to fall victim to Human
Overpopulation and Overdevelopment in America. That means for
America, Illegal Immigration must be stopped entirely and
excessive legal Mass Immigration restricted to population
neutral levels. Open Borders as we now have under Joe Biden is
an Ecological Disgrace and an Ecological Disaster. I do not
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Roger Kuhlman</div>
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Ann Arbor</div>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rcech@nyc.rr.com"><rcech@nyc.rr.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 7, 2022 12:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Quinn <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:entomike@gmail.com"><entomike@gmail.com></a>; Roger
Kuhlman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rkuhlman@hotmail.com"><rkuhlman@hotmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Leps List <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:leps-l@mailman.yale.edu"><leps-l@mailman.yale.edu></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA
butterfly park</font>
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<div dir="auto">If I may weigh in, the NBC staff did not
confront those with opposing sociopolitical views, quite the
opposite. If left alone, i believe the center would wend its
way along on a butterfly-substantive track. So while I agree
that the list serve should not become a shouting forum for
disparate political commentaries, i also feel offended by
attacks on an institution I value, and share a sense of
outrage.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I will be facing this same issue viz my local
butterfly club, so maybe this is a cautionary warm-up. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks, I guess, for the exercise round.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Rick Cech</div>
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<div>From: Mike Quinn <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:entomike@gmail.com"><entomike@gmail.com></a> </div>
<div>Date: 2/7/22 11:45 AM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: Roger Kuhlman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rkuhlman@hotmail.com"><rkuhlman@hotmail.com></a> </div>
<div>Cc: Leps List <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:leps-l@mailman.yale.edu"><leps-l@mailman.yale.edu></a> </div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the NABA
butterfly park </div>
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<div dir="auto">Roger,</div>
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<div dir="auto">I appreciate the call for no politics, but
this article, concerning south Texas butterfly habitat, ran
on the front page of Sunday’s NYTimes so I don’t think it’s
something that we as a group should ignore though
individuals are more than welcome to do as they wish. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Mike Quinn, Austin</div>
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<div class="x_gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at
12:34 AM Roger Kuhlman <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rkuhlman@hotmail.com</a>>
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I think all this talking about Not Following the
Science and Science is the intellectual enemy only
amounts to Extremist Leftist Political
Propagandizing for Leftist Political Power. I find
it very offensive and wish to not see it in
intelligent discussions of butterflies, their
natural habitats, and ways of life. Do you think we
can cool this line of politics?</div>
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Sincerely,</div>
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Roger Kuhlman</div>
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Ann Arbor, Michigan</div>
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color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Leps-l <<a
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 6, 2022 7:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Quinn <<a
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">entomike@gmail.com</a>>;
Leps-L <<a
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TXBL <<a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Leps-l] NYTimes article on
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<span style="font-family:Times,"Times New
Roman",serif; font-size:large">I attribute
this situation to a weird association of
butterflies and science where science is the
intellectual enemy.</span>
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<div style="font-family:times new roman,serif;
font-size:large"><span
style="font-family:Times,"Times New
Roman",serif">I suggest our educational
system is failing us by not ensuring students
learn critical thinking. The conspiracy
theorists were always there yet remained below
the surface until emboldened by the thinking
of the administration between 2016 and 2020.
In my department back in the 1980s one of my
colleagues and close friends would return from
meetings with the folks who used our research
and accumulated knowledge to teach. He would
return to his office and always say
"Fictitious but true." There are facts and
there is the truth. Each person must decide
based upon their education and indoctrination,
at home, at school, socially, and church if
they attend one. In our small city of 35,000
people, 2/3 are right-wing well-meaning
people, and less than 50% are vaccinated.
There is one very low wattage church chat
show. I regularly listen because I want to
know what the 2/3 right leaning people are
hearing. The stuff that is broadcast is scary.
One so-called news-on-the-hour broadcast said
people should not get vaccinated for COVID
because every vaccinated person dies. No doubt
a true statement and reveals no critical
thinking.</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:times new roman,serif;
font-size:large"><span
style="font-family:Times,"Times New
Roman",serif">I work hard to teach my
students to research and think. I touch so few
students compared to the thousands of people
who join the masses of conspiracy theorists.
My former neighbor, a very nice man, from
across the street insisted planes from China
were flying overhead daily to spread the COVID
virus. Then in the next sentence he said COVID
doesn't exist. Critical thinking? I think not.
I recently attended his funeral after COVID
caused his death. </span><br>
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<div style="font-family:times new roman,serif;
font-size:large"><span
style="font-family:Times,"Times New
Roman",serif">From sunny southern New
Mexico.</span></div>
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style="font-family:Times,"Times New
Roman",serif">Eric</span></div>
<span style="font-family:times new roman,serif;
font-size:large"></span><span
style="font-family:Times,"Times New
Roman",serif">Eric H. Metzler</span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 6, 2022 4:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leps-L <<a
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TXBL <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true"
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TXENTO <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> [Leps-l] NYTimes article on the
NABA butterfly park</font>
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<div>How the National Butterfly Center Became the
Center of Online Lies - The New York Times
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