<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hi John:<div><br></div><div>That's an interesting article. Do you know of anything similar concerning butterflies? I have a bet with a state parks ranger, but she has to prove butterflies <i>don't</i> remember individuals. I'm pretty sure that's an impossible proof to begin with but I still need to show something besides my own observation & opinion or she can claim default.<div><br></div><div>Bill :)</div><div> <br><div><div>On Jul 8, 2022, at 4:46 PM, John Shuey <<a href="mailto:jshuey@TNC.ORG">jshuey@TNC.ORG</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><i><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Although everyone knows that birds are superior beings, it surprised me that Common Terns could recognize a threat arriving in an orange VW van from one year to the next and fly out to attack and stain the vehicle before the person even got out, having not seen the vehicle or person for 10 months.<o:p></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Crows are known to recognize faces that do evil to them. See -<a href="https://www.npr.org/2019/09/13/760666490/crows-are-they-scary-or-just-scary-smart" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">https://www.npr.org/2019/09/13/760666490/crows-are-they-scary-or-just-scary-smart</a><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">john<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: green;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Leps-l <<a href="mailto:leps-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">leps-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Michael Gochfeld<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, July 8, 2022 5:14 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bill Cornelius <<a href="mailto:billcor@mcn.org">billcor@mcn.org</a>>; Leps list <<a href="mailto:leps-l@mailman.yale.edu">leps-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Leps-l] looking for info about butterfly recognition of individual humans<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">It shouldn't be a surprise that an insect can recognized a food-giver or a threat. Whether and how they classify these and to what extent they can distinguish individuals can be tested. How long they "remember" ----not sure. Whether they recognize visually or olfactory, and whether it is the person or the body language would be good to study.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On a different note:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Although everyone knows that birds are superior beings, it surprised me that Common Terns could recognize a threat arriving in an orange VW van from one year to the next and fly out to attack and stain the vehicle before the person even got out, having not seen the vehicle or person for 10 months.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">MIKE GOCHFELD<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"></div><div id="divRplyFwdMsg"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b><span style=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Leps-l <<a href="mailto:leps-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">leps-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>> on behalf of Bill Cornelius <<a href="mailto:billcor@mcn.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">billcor@mcn.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, July 8, 2022 12:45 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Leps list <<a href="mailto:leps-l@mailman.yale.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">leps-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Leps-l] looking for info about butterfly recognition of individual humans</span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hi List:<br><br>I read some time ago, before fact checking was an industry, that some reared Heliconius charithonia will recognize individual people that have acted threateningly or non threateningly towards them and react correspondingly days or weeks later. Can anyone send me any info on that? My own experience with Polygonias indicates they do have that capability. 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