[Mendele] Mendele Vol. 19.002
Victor Bers
victor.bers at yale.edu
Thu May 28 14:42:05 EDT 2009
Mendele: Yiddish literature and language
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Contents of Vol. 19.002
May 28, 2009
1) oyberland, unterland (Hugh Denman)
2) oyberland, unterland (Yankl Falk)
3) song lyrics sought (Joseph Toltz)
4) Turek Peace Movement (Lillian Leavitt)
1)----------------------------------------------------
Date: May 19, 2009
Subject: oyberland, unterland
With reference to Fraynd Mett's query concerning the significance of the
terms "oyberland" and "unterland" in terms of Hungarian regional geography
[19.001:6], he should see Uriel Weinreich, "Western Traits in
Transcarpathian Yiddish" in "For Max Weinreich on His Seventieth Birthday:
Studies in Jewish Languages, Literature, and Society," The Hague, 1964,
245-64, where there is a map clarifying just this point on p. 246. Very
approximately, "oyberland" corresponds with Slovakia and "unterland" with
Transylvania, Maramures and the Transcarpatian Ukraine. Of course, we are
dealing here with Hungary as it existed before the First World War. Very
little of the relevant territory lies within the current Hungarian
frontier. I might add that the territory labeled oyberland in Weinreich's
map coincides fairly exactly with what is still referred to as the
Felvidek (acute on 2nd e) in not particularly politically-correct
Hungarian oral usage even today.
Hugh Denman
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Date: May 18, 2009
Subject: oyberland, unterland
In response to Perets Mett's inquiry, here's what I found on Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberlander_Jews):
Oberlander Jews (also Oberlandish or simply Oberland Jews) are Ashkenazi,
Yiddish- and German-speaking Jews originating in the Oberland or higher
land western region of Hungary and the district surrounding Bratislava in
Slovakia. This is as opposed to Unterlander Jews, who resided in the
eastern lower lands on the opposite side of the Danube River and were
influenced more by the Hasidic movement.
Yankl Falk
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Date: 28 May, 2009
Subject: song lyrics sought
Thank you to all who helped with both songs [Mendele 19.001]. You have
made two survivors very happy!
I have another song fragment for which I am seeking the full text. Here is
the
transliterated fragment:
"Eyle toldoys noekh,
fun bronfn hot men koyekh"
Many thanks,
Joseph Toltz
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Date: May 18, 2009
Subject: Turek Peace Movement
I am translating a letter from Vilna 1940 that references a pre-war "Turek
Peace Movement" in Novi Dvor and a possible meeting with a Doctor
Tartakover in the United States, in an attempt to get a visa out of Vilna.
Any information to help put this in context would be appreciated.
Lillian Leavitt
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