[Nhcoll-l] Another excellent article on the value of collections
Herbarium
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Mon Jan 25 20:17:51 EST 2016
I share Andrew's perspective, and I think it is important to distinguish
between the general public and the vocal minority. Using the Audubon
piece as an example, there are those who understand and
support scientific collecting, those who can never be convinced of its
value, and those whose minds are not made up but wish to learn more.
High profile articles like the Audubon piece are great ways to inform and
educate those who are open to it.
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On Mon, 25 Jan 2016, Bentley, Andrew Charles wrote:
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> Agreed, but giving up is not an option. We need to keep hammering away at the edges and hope that the message gets across at some point. Do not
> give in to the uninformed.
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> University of Kansas
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> From: Ellen Paul [mailto:ellen.paul at verizon.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 12:35 PM
> To: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>; Barry OConnor <bmoc at umich.edu>
> Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> Subject: Another excellent article on the value of collections
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> I wish you were right but this has little to do with being uninformed (though it is true, they are uninformed). This is purely an irrational,
> emotional reaction and they do not wish to be informed.
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> Ellen Paul
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> On 1/25/16 1:32 PM, Bentley, Andrew Charles wrote:
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> I think the opposite is true. We should be working on them even more and publishing like crazy while educating the uninformed as to
> why we do what we do and the benefits to society as a whole while also educating the scientists as to how to convey their message.
> There was some very unfortunate language used in that piece that caused the outcry that it did. If it had been worded differently I
> doubt the same would be true and maybe those few naysayers would be much the wiser now.
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> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
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> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
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> Tel: (785) 864-3863
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
> Email: abentley at ku.edu
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> From: nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Barry OConnor
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 12:23 PM
> To: Ellen Paul <ellen.paul at verizon.net>
> Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Another excellent article on the value of collections
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> I suppose there are two ways to deal with pretty birds: 1. don't work with them; 2: publish in very obscure journals and don't
> publicize the work. Prevailing wisdom says if you find a new bird, don't kill it. - Barry
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> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Ellen Paul <ellen.paul at verizon.net> wrote:
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> This is a great article. Unfortunately, there is an even bigger problem when it comes to vertebrates and especially cute or
> pretty vertebrates. The reaction to the collection of a single bird by Chris Filardi was appalling to say the least. You can run
> articles like this until the end of time and people will still get hysterical over the collection of cute/pretty vertebrates.
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> Ellen
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> On 1/25/16 10:10 AM, Janet Waddington wrote:
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> I’m attaching a pdf of the article in case the link doesn’t work outside Canada.
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> This reporter has it spot on.
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