[Nhcoll-l] Vermiculite as respiratory hazard

Dirk Neumann dirk.neumann at zsm.mwn.de
Sat Feb 10 11:30:15 EST 2018


Hi Jeff & all

good idea - which countries/ languages would be needed ? So far, I have 
encountered vermiculite only in shipments from US institutions; never 
saw it in loans from European institutions. Maybe just Spanish would be 
sufficient?

Another option would be to notify institutions/colleagues shipping 
specimens on vermiculite about the potential health issues when such 
loans arrive/are discovered. We would thus reach also colleagues which 
do not follow NHColl conversations.

All the best
Dirk


Am 09.02.2018 um 22:48 schrieb Jeff Stephenson:
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> Thanks Rob!
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> Is there a way we can get this translated into some other languages 
> and spread the word among our international colleagues?
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> [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] *On Behalf Of *Dirk Neumann
> *Sent:* Friday, February 09, 2018 2:42 PM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Vermiculite as respiratory hazard
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> Very funny coincidence - James Maclain (NHM London) just brought this 
> up in an internal conversation. Actually there is no reason to use it, 
> and simple paper towels surely do even better as absorbent material 
> for IATA packaging, compared to vermiculite. For A 180 packing, the 
> requirement is that the absorbent material must be sufficient to hold 
> the entire fluid per packaging in case of leakage. There are no 
> further specifications, and even toilet paper would do a perfect job, 
> but admittedly tends to be rather unstable compared to normal paper 
> towels when wet.
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> When I receive such shipments, I carefully open the outer packaging 
> and remove the vermiculite into a large zip-lock back and immediately 
> rinse the inner packing under water to avoid the dust; vermiculite is 
> also VERY electrostatic, and you have it just everywhere.
>
> Thanks for pushing this, Rob!
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> Have a nice weekend
> Dirk
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> Am 09.02.2018 um 20:19 schrieb Rob Robins:
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>     Hi Folks,
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>     I have health and safety concerns regarding the use of vermiculite
>     as an “outer packet” absorbency material in the shipping of 
>     alcohol preserved specimens. We have never used vermiculite in the
>     Florida Museum Fish Collection, but I receive many specimen
>     shipments containing it and thus must handle it. And as anyone who
>     has touched the stuff can attest, no matter how carefully handled,
>     tiny particles of vermiculite end up suspended in the air one is
>     breathing.
>
>     A number of scientific papers lead me to conclude my health and
>     safety concerns are not unreasonable. Here’s some of what I’ve found:
>
>     ·No matter where it was mined from, vermiculite is likely to
>     contain fibrous minerals.
>
>     ·That few of these types of fibrous minerals have been formally
>     classified as asbestos and regulated as such would appear to be
>     more a function of what fibers were in use commercially at the
>     time the regulations were created. (Baumann, F., J. P. Ambrosi,
>     and M. Carbone. 2013. Asbestos is not just asbestos: an
>     unrecognized health hazard. The Lancet Vol 14 June 2013).
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>     ·To be certain, vermiculite has at times been found to contain
>     asbestiform amphiboles (groups of needlelike silicates clumped
>     together) such as winchite, richterite, and tremolite, the latter
>     of which is regulated (Sullivan, P. 2007. Vermiculite, respiratory
>     disease, and asbestos exposure in Libby, Montana: Update of a
>     cohort mortality study. Environmental Health Perspectives Apr; 115
>     (4): 579-585).
>
>     My question to the list: _Why is anyone using vermiculite as an
>     absorbent when inert and safe alternatives such as polypropylene
>     chemical spill absorbent pads are widely and cheaply available?_
>     Failing any good answer to this question, my follow up would be,
>     can we all please stop?
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>     Best wishes,
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>     Rob Robins
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>     P.S. The Baumann paper concludes thusly, and I agree:
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>     “The restricted regulatory definition of asbestos to six fibres
>     used commercially contributes to miscommunication and uncertainty
>     regarding the toxic effects of some fibrous minerals. We propose
>     that all fibrous minerals be handled as potentially pathogenic
>     until they are proven safe. Moreover, to protect human health, a
>     wider regulatory definition of asbestos should include all
>     potentially carcinogenic mineral fibres, without distinction of
>     type and commercial use.”
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