From liathappleton at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 16:24:51 2021
From: liathappleton at gmail.com (Liath Appleton)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 15:24:51 -0600
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] SPNHC newsletter articles and reports due Feb 1
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Hi all, here's your reminder that all reports, announcements, and article
submissions for the spring edition of the SPNHC Connection newsletter are due
Feb 1, 2021. Any SPNHC members who are interested in submitting an article,
please contact Liath Appleton (*newsletter at spnhc.org <newsletter at spnhc.org>*
).
Thanks ---Liath

Liath Appleton
Collections Manager
Non-Vertebrate Paleontology Lab
University of Texas at Austin
Bldg PRC122 - campus mail code R8500
10100 Burnet Road
Austin, TX 78758

SPNHC Connection Editor (newsletter at spnhc.org)
SPNHC Web Manager (webmaster at spnhc.org)
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From neta.manela at mail.huji.ac.il  Mon Jan  4 01:04:54 2021
From: neta.manela at mail.huji.ac.il (Neta Manela)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 08:04:54 +0200
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Herbarium organization
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Hi all,

We have several dilemmas regarding the organization of our collection and
would be happy to hear how other herbaria deal with these subjects.

Our vascular plant collection is physically divided into local collection
(Israel and neighboring countries) and general collection (rest of the
world) (Regions within each collection are separated by color codes). I was
wondering if this separation is common in other herbaria and if there is
any consideration we should  take if we want to unite them into one main
collection (any pros and cons?).

Also, we are planning to update families, genera and species according to
the linear APG arrangement (keeping alphabetical arrangement by families).
I guess that this was done in other collections during the last decade and
I would like to ask for any advice that should be considered before and
during the process.

Cheers,

Neta

*Dr. Neta Manela | *Herbarium collection manager

*The **National Natural History Collections at the Hebrew University.*

The Hebrew University of Jerusalem
T +972.2.6584562 | F +972.2 6585785
neta.manela at mail.huji.ac.il
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From conservation at natsca.org  Mon Jan  4 08:58:33 2021
From: conservation at natsca.org (NatSCA Conservation)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 13:58:33 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] #NatSCAConservation Twitter Conference January 2021
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*Please join us for the first #NatSCAConservation twitter conference held
over the 19th - 21st January 2021*

This online conference promotes projects and stories relating to the
conservation of natural history collections. This year we?re bringing it
all, right to you, for free!

Follow #NatSCAConservation on Twitter over the three days to learn more
about the projects featured in our diverse programme, meet our speakers,
share and join in through the hashtag, and say a digital hello to the
wonderful online NatSCA community. Each presentation will be presented over
an hour-long time slot where they will be delivered over a series of
tweets, and then available for questions and comment. Find the programme
here https://www.natsca.org/conservation-2021

For those not on Twitter, we?ll be compiling all the talks and making them
available after the event
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AIBS Public Policy Report


AIBS Public Policy Report, Volume 22, Issue 1, January 4, 2021

  *   Congress Approves FY 2021 Spending, Stimulus Legislation
  *   Academy Report Discusses Future of Science Policy
  *   Report Examines Economic Benefits of Scientific Collections
  *   Upcoming Webinar: Forward-Thinking Discussion on Biological Collections
  *   Invitation: Global Consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens
  *   Deadline Approaching: 2021 Emerging Public Policy Leadership Award
  *   Short Takes
     *   UK Retains Access to European Research Funding Under Brexit Deal
     *   GAO Report: Agencies Need to Strengthen Policies to Address Foreign Influence
     *   Nominations Requested: Study on Misleading Information about Biological Threats
  *   From the Federal Register

________________________________

The AIBS Public Policy Report is distributed broadly by email every two weeks.  Any interested party may self-subscribe<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=e4a4b62915&e=6708ed45cf> to receive these free reports by email.

With proper attribution to AIBS, all material from these reports may be reproduced or forwarded. AIBS staff appreciates receiving copies of materials used. If you have questions, comments, or suggestions, please contact the AIBS Public Policy Manager, Jyotsna Pandey, at 202-628-1500 x 225.

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Congress Approves FY 2021 Spending, Stimulus Legislation

On December 21, 2020, both chambers of Congress passed a $900 billion coronavirus stimulus package along with the fiscal year (FY) 2021 omnibus spending legislation.  After demanding changes to relief provisions in the congressionally approved legislation for a week, President Trump capitulated and signed the stimulus-spending bill into law on December 27, 2020, just prior to the expiration of the most recent stopgap funding resolution.

The stimulus package includes $20 billion for the purchase and distribution of coronavirus vaccines; $325 billion in economic relief for small businesses, including $284 billion for the Paycheck Protection Program and an additional $20 billion for grants; $82 billion for schools with $22.7 billion for higher education institutions; unemployment benefit extensions of $300 per week through March 2021; and up to $600 direct payments to individuals.  The legislation does not include the two controversial measures that had drawn out relief negotiations?aid for state and local governments, which the Democrats had been pushing for, and liability protections for business, a GOP priority.  The aid package also left out the $26 billion in supplemental research relief<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=8de32cdac1&e=6708ed45cf> funding for federal agencies that academic and science groups, including AIBS, have been advocating for.

The $1.4 trillion appropriations omnibus, which allocates FY 2021 funding for the federal government, rejects the deeps cuts proposed<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=d5e7fe56a0&e=6708ed45cf> by President Trump for most science agencies and provides modest funding increases for research.  Overall, defense spending would increase by $5 billion over FY 2020 to $671.5 billion and nondefense spending would increase by $20 billion to $656.5 billion.  The omnibus provides:

  *   $8.5 billion to the National Science Foundation, an increase of 2.5 percent compared to FY 2020, with $6.9 billion for Research and Related Activities (+2.5 percent).  President Trump had proposed a 6 percent cut to the science agency.
  *   $5.4 billion (+1.5 percent) for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
  *   $23.3 billion for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), a 3 percent increase, with $7.3 billion (+2 percent) for its Science account. President Trump had proposed a 12 percent boost for NASA.
  *   A flat budget of $1.03 billion for the National Institute of Science and Technology, with a 4.5 percent increase for the agency?s core science programs.
  *   $42.9 billion to the National Institutes of Health, an increase of 3 percent over FY 2020.
  *   $7.026 billion (+$26 million) for the Department of Energy (DOE) Office of Science and $427 million (+$2 million) for Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy.  Biological and environmental research at DOE saw an increase of $3 million to $753 million.
  *   $13.7 billion (-$146 million) to the Interior Department in FY 2021, with $1.3 billion (-$60 million) going to the Bureau of Land Management; $3.1 billion (-$254 million) to the National Park Service; and $1.58 billion (-$60 million) to the Fish and Wildlife Service.
  *   $1.32 billion (+$45 million) to the U.S. Geological Survey, with $259 million for the Ecosystems Mission Area.
  *   $9.2 billion for the Environmental Protection Agency (+$180 million). President Trump had proposed slashing the budget for the agency by 26 percent.
  *   $1.033 billion (-$14 million) to the Smithsonian Institution, with $51.5 million (+$1.8 million) for the National Museum of Natural History.
  *   $3.3 billion (+$125 million) for agricultural research, including $1.57 billion (+$43 million) for the National Institute of Food and Agriculture, $1.53 billion (-$80 million) for the Agricultural Research Service, $435 million (+$10 million) for the Agriculture and Food Research Initiative.
The government had been operating under a series of stopgap funding resolutions since fiscal year 2021 began on October 1.  The finalized appropriations package ensures predictable funding for federal research agencies for the remainder of the year.  Although the latest stimulus does not include any funding to address pandemic-related disruptions to research, there will likely be other opportunities to secure research aid in the coming months.  Several lawmakers and President-Elect Joe Biden have indicated that they will push for additional relief funding in the new year.  Biden called the most recent stimulus ?an important down payment on what's going to have to be done beginning the end of January into February.?

Academy Report Discusses Future of Science Policy

The National Academy of Sciences (NAS) has released proceedings from a February 2020 symposium that summarizes discussions among leading business, academic, and government professionals on the future of science policy in the U.S. and whether the modern research architecture needs to be reconfigured to meet 21st century challenges.

?We need to find ways to make all of our institutions, including my own, more responsive and nimble in a fast-moving world,? said Marcia McNutt, President of NAS.  ?We must ask if we are doing enough to inspire, nurture, and cultivate our young people. We have to encourage diversity and inclusion and create an informed citizenry that values decision-making and policies based on science and evidence.?

Drawing on remarks from a number of leaders?including former NSF Director France C?rdova, Massachusetts Institute of Technology President Rafael Reif, former Lockheed Martin Corp CEO Norman Augustine, and Alan Alda Center for Communicating Science founder Alan Alda?the report examines future pathways to leadership in science, how to respond to an evolving research enterprise, communicating science to the public, the evolution of the government-university research partnership, and connecting basic research with economic growth.

The report<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=bad79de0e5&e=6708ed45cf>, The Endless Frontier: The Next 75 Years in Science, concludes with four take-home messages from McNutt ?to ensure that science remains the endless frontier.?  The first highlights education: ?Science needs more exciting new projects to attract young people to research?It also needs to prepare and reach out to everyone, not just to the members of particular groups.?  The second message emphasizes the need for scientists to effectively engage with the public, with communication going ?in both directions, so scientists learn what members of the public think and need and what it takes to earn the public?s trust.?  The third point underlines the importance of a diversified research portfolio to ensure research dollars are spent in the most effective way.  The final take-home message involves the re-envisioning of the reward system in science and the need for science to be much more inclusive, distributed, and participatory.

The symposium was held in partnership with The Kavli Foundation and the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation to mark the 75th anniversary of the publication of Vannevar Bush?s report Science: The Endless Frontier, which created a blueprint for U.S. scientific research after World War II.

Report Examines Economic Benefits of Scientific Collections

A new advisory report, entitled, ?Economic Analyses of Federal Scientific Collections,? explores the economic benefits of Federal scientific collections.  The report provides a framework for economic analyses, including methods for documenting long-term operating costs and benefits of collections.

The study was commissioned by the Interagency Working Group on Scientific Collections (IWGSC)?part of the White House National Science and Technology Council.  IWGSC is co-chaired by the Smithsonian Institution and the U.S. Department of Agriculture and consists of representatives from more than 15 Federal departments and agencies, each of which owns, manages, or provides financial support for scientific collections spread across a wide spectrum of scientific disciplines. The report was produced by IWGSC?s Economic Study Group?a panel comprised of federal researchers, economists, collections professionals and budget or policy specialists and chaired by David E. Schindel, Research Associate at the Smithsonian Institution.

The report provides illustrative examples of the services enabled by scientific collections, including their contributions to vaccine development and earthquake preparedness. While this report focuses on collections owned, operated and/or supported by government agencies, the methods presented in the report are universally applicable to museums, universities, research institutions and industries around the world.  ?Although the report is focused on Federal scientific collections, its content applies to myriad collections and leads to many public benefits,? said Scott Miller, Smithsonian chief scientist and IWGSC co-chair. ?The report is especially timely given the economic stress on research and organizations because of COVID-19.?

?The benefits generated by federal institutional collections can take many forms, both monetary and non-monetary,? argues the report.  ?These benefits are usually indirect and delayed, and the value chains that connect costs to benefits are generally difficult to document.?  The report outlines a standard framework for estimating long-term operating costs and describes five different methods, along with their strengths and weaknesses, for estimating and documenting the benefits generated by collections. Examples presented in the report highlight how the differences among collections and their missions require different methods. The report also provides guidance on how to select the most appropriate methods to make evidence-based decisions. According to the authors, demonstrating the long-term value of scientific collections can help institutions preserve these important resources to address future challenges.

Read the report at: https://iwgsc.nal.usda.gov/economic-analyses-federal-scientific-collections<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=3c2d8dd0cc&e=6708ed45cf>

Upcoming Webinar: Forward-Thinking Discussion on Biological Collections

The Biological Collections community at-large is invited to join the American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS), Natural Science Collections Alliance (NSCA), and Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC) for a joint discussion with the Biodiversity Collections Network (BCoN) and the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM) on the future of biological collections.  Representatives from the NASEM panel that authored the report, Biological Collections: Ensuring Critical Research and Education for the 21st Century, and the Extended Specimen Network writing committee will discuss and leverage the common themes and associated recommendations from these reports to kick off discussions on the short-, medium-, and long-term implementation plan goals and identify the path forward.

Date: January 14, 2021
Time: 2:00-4:00 pm Eastern Time (includes a 15 minute break)
Location: Online via Zoom
The webinar will be recorded.

Registration is free, but required.  For more information about the program and panelists and to register for the webinar, please visit https://www.aibs.org/news/2020/201221-collections-webinar.html#subheader<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=0c79a69f0d&e=6708ed45cf>.

The Biological Collections community around the world is incredibly diverse and all voices need to be heard. We rely on you to disseminate this announcement far and wide to groups and individuals who should be a part of this conversation.

Invitation: Global Consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens

Over the past year several exciting conversations about the possibilities of digital representations of the billions of specimens currently held in the world?s natural history collections. Two concepts?the Digital Specimen<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=04d59dc7b9&e=6708ed45cf> proposed by the Distributed System of Scientific Collections (DiSSCo) in Europe and the Extended Specimen<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=3b3ad705c7&e=6708ed45cf> emerging from the Biological Collections Network (BCoN) in the United States?are now aligning towards a shared vision that connects all information related to a specimen, creating in effect ?digital twins? for the materials held in scientific collections.

Beginning in February, the consultation will seek to engage the wider community on a handful of topics that have technical, financial, social, governance and professional implications that require broader discussion and consensus. The consultation aims to expand participation in the process, build support for further collaboration, identify key use cases, and develop an initial roadmap for community adoption and implementation.

Topics of the consultation will include:

  *   Digitizing/mobilizing FAIR data for specimens
  *   Extending, enriching and integrating data
  *   Annotating specimens and related data
  *   Crediting and attributing tasks like data and material curation
  *   Analyzing/mining specimen data for novel applications
The alliance for biodiversity knowledge invites other parties to participate in this process, to review the draft consultation outline<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=88c40061b7&e=6708ed45cf> and to sign the Letter of Intent<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=fb3c4ee292&e=6708ed45cf>. More details about the virtual consultation will become available after the holiday. If you have ideas, want to ask questions, or would like to co-moderate a topic, please contact us at alliance at gbif.org<mailto:alliance at gbif.org>.

Deadline Approaching: 2021 Emerging Public Policy Leadership Award

Are you a science graduate student looking to make a difference in science policy and funding?  The American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS) is now accepting applications for the 2021 AIBS Emerging Public Policy Leadership Award.  This award recognizes graduate students in the biological sciences who are demonstrating an interest and aptitude for working at the intersection of science and policy.

Recipients of the AIBS Emerging Public Policy Leadership Award receive:

  *   A trip to Washington, DC, to participate in the AIBS Congressional Visits Day, an annual event where scientists meet with lawmakers to advocate for federal investment in the biological sciences, with a primary focus on the National Science Foundation. Domestic travel and hotel expenses are paid for the winners. As a result of the COVID-19 pandemic, winners will participate in a virtual advocacy event in the spring of 2021 (likely in April) and will also have the opportunity to attend a future in-person event.
  *   Online policy and communications training, including information on the legislative process and trends in federal science funding, and how to engage with policymakers and the news media.
  *   Meetings with congressional policymakers to discuss the importance of federal investment in the biological sciences.
  *   A one-year subscription to the journal BioScience and a copy of ?Communicating Science: A Primer for Working with the Media.?

The 2021 award is open to U.S. citizens and U.S. permanent residents enrolled in a graduate degree program in the biological sciences, science education, or a closely allied field. Applicants should have a demonstrated interest in and commitment to science policy and/or science education policy. Prior recipients, including Honorable Mentions, are not eligible for the award.

Applications are due by 05:00 PM Eastern Time on January 15, 2021.  The application guidelines can be downloaded at https://www.aibs.org/news/2020/201111-call-for-eppla-2021.html#subheader<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=c50eb2e0bb&e=6708ed45cf>.

Short Takes

  *   Researchers in the United Kingdom (UK) will remain eligible for European research funding under the agreement reached on December 24, 2020 concerning Britain?s departure from the European Union (EU) or Brexit.  According to the deal<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=243cf01ab9&e=6708ed45cf>, in exchange for a contribution to the EU budget, the UK will have access to EU?s forthcoming Horizon research funding program, which will invest ?85 billion over the next seven years.  The UK will, however, lose influence over the program and how the money is doled out?those decisions are reserved for EU countries. According to an analysis by Nature, the UK received<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=327ffc71b0&e=6708ed45cf> 12.1 percent of the funding under Horizon 2020, Horizon Europe?s predecessor program; while the country?s average contribution to the overall EU budget had been around 11.4 percent.  The Brexit agreement was approved by the UK Parliament on December 30, 2020 and now awaits ratification by the European Parliament.
  *   According to a new report<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=7821ab1baa&e=6708ed45cf> by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), federal agencies need to enhance and clarify their policies for monitoring the foreign ties of the researchers they support.  GAO reviewed five agencies that together accounted for almost 90 percent of all federal R&D expenditures at universities in fiscal year 2018.  They found that three have agency-wide conflict of interest policies, including the National Science Foundation, the National Institutes of Health, and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, while the Departments of Defense and Energy do not.  However, the three agencies with existing policies ?focus on financial interests but do not specifically address or define non-financial interests.?  The GAO recommends that agencies address gaps in monitoring foreign influences by adopting explicit and uniform policies on how grantees can adequately disclose financial and nonfinancial conflicts and other required information.
  *   The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine is launching a study that will assess how scientists can determine which claims may be addressed by defensible scientific information, and how scientists can work together in trusted networks to conduct accurate, authoritative, and evidence-based analysis and peer review in a community-based manner to address those claims. Nominations will be accepted for experts to serve on this study committee by January 16, 2021. Learn more<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=a3c1358b0e&e=6708ed45cf>.

From the Federal Register

The following items appeared in the Federal Register from December 21 to January 1, 2021.

Commerce

  *   Hydrographic Services Review Panel<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=d7fed2f402&e=6708ed45cf>
  *   Pacific Fishery Management Council; Public Meeting<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=9a26c22b7a&e=6708ed45cf>
  *   Taking and Importing Marine Mammals; Taking Marine Mammals Incidental to Northeast Fisheries Science Center Fisheries and Ecosystem Research, Atlantic Ocean<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=a848cef5e6&e=6708ed45cf>
  *   Sanctuary System Business Advisory Council: Public Meeting<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=731cb1af55&e=6708ed45cf>

Environmental Protection Agency

  *   Interim PFAS Destruction and Disposal Guidance; Notice of Availability for Public Comment<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=40b33dc4fc&e=6708ed45cf>

Health and Human Services

  *   Fogarty International Center; Notice of Meeting<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=4468f5bc37&e=6708ed45cf>
  *   Meeting of the National Vaccine Advisory Committee<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=1d9cde6725&e=6708ed45cf>
  *   National Cancer Institute; Notice of Meeting<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=b9b5a75e02&e=6708ed45cf>
  *   National Cancer Institute; Notice of Meeting<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=4d40a33b8b&e=6708ed45cf>

National Aeronautics and Space Administration

  *   NASA Advisory Council; Human Exploration and Operations Committee Meeting, Including Joint Meeting with Science Committee<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=5c6020c2e9&e=6708ed45cf>

National Science Foundation

  *   Sunshine Act Meetings<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=35709e1c16&e=6708ed45cf>

________________________________

  *   Give your society or organization a voice in public policy. Join AIBS today.<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=8bd4f015df&e=6708ed45cf>


  *   Become an advocate for science, visit the AIBS Legislative Action Center<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=c6da539304&e=6708ed45cf>.

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Founded in 1947 as a part of the National Academy of Sciences, AIBS became an independent, member-governed organization in the 1950s. Today, AIBS has over 100 member organizations and has a Public Policy Office in Washington, DC. Its staff members work to achieve its mission by publishing the peer-reviewed journal BioScience, by providing scientific peer-review and advisory services to government agencies and other clients, and by collaborating with scientific organizations to advance public policy, education, and the public understanding of science.

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We invite the Biological Collections community at-large to join the
American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS), Natural Science
Collections Alliance (NSCA), and Society for the Preservation of Natural
History Collections (SPNHC) for a joint discussion with the Biodiversity
Collections Network (BCoN) and the National Academies of Sciences,
Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM) on the future of biological collections.
Representatives from the NASEM panel that authored the report, *Biological
Collections: Ensuring Critical Research and Education for the 21st Century*,
and the *Extended Specimen Network* writing committee will discuss and
leverage the common themes and associated recommendations from these
reports to kick off discussions on the short-, medium-, and long-term
implementation plan goals and identify the path forward.

*Forward-Thinking Discussion on Biological Collections *

Date: Thursday, January 14, 2021
Time: 2:00-4:00 PM Eastern Time (includes a 15 minute break)
Location: Online via Zoom
(This webinar will be recorded)

Registration is free, but required.  For more information about the program
and panelists and to register for the webinar, please visit:
https://bcon.aibs.org/2020/12/21/webinar-forward-thinking-discussion-on-biological-collections/
.

The Biological Collections community around the world is incredibly diverse
and all voices need to be heard. We rely on you to disseminate this
announcement far and wide to groups and individuals who should be a part of
this conversation.


Jyotsna Pandey, Ph.D.
Public Policy Manager
American Institute of Biological Sciences

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From bethanypalumbo at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 04:57:26 2021
From: bethanypalumbo at gmail.com (Bethany Palumbo)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 09:57:26 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] New Palumbo Conservation Services newsletter
Message-ID: <CAPVvR4TEJMxZLadttzkkbt2vzTQF2WFSSwUmG0-B6bdmYFmqoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am starting a newsletter for my conservation business Palumbo
Conservation Services. It will be biannual, sharing projects, upcoming
events and museum news. If you would like to subscribe to this newsletter,
then please email me back and I will add you to the list.

Wishing you all the best for 20201,
BP

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From emily.braker at colorado.edu  Tue Jan  5 09:26:49 2021
From: emily.braker at colorado.edu (Emily M. Braker)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 14:26:49 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Webinar (Jan 12) - Introduction to Arctos for
 Herpetology Collections
Message-ID: <CY4PR03MB32850E756AF320A7380BE47BE0D10@CY4PR03MB3285.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Please help us kick off the New Year and join us on January 12 for an introduction to managing Herpetology Collections in Arctos.

Abstract: Arctos has all the standard features to manage herpetological specimens but stands out with its unique features for the modern herpetological collection. This webinar will highlight some of the key features of Arctos for managing herpetological data, including: querying specimens and attributes, shared localities and georeferences, transactions (accessions, loans, permits), managing tissues (including tracking curatorial location), biological relationships between different types of specimens (e.g., host-parasite, predator-prey, stomach contents), and linking publications and archives to track citations and usage for research, grants, and teaching. We will demonstrate how we manage and track NSF grants and link to external databases such as MorphoSource and GenBank. Finally, we will discuss how Arctos handles observational data, often a feature not available in a collection management system. Currently, Arctos serves data on ~574,000 amphibian and reptile records from 28 collections including specimens, observations, and media (e.g., photographs, audio recordings, field notes) from a broad taxonomic and geographic scope.

Presenters: Carol Spencer (Staff Curator of Herpetology) and Michelle Koo (Staff Curator of Biodiversity Informatics and GIS), Museum of Vertebrate Zoology

When: Tuesday, January 12, 2020 at 3:00pm ET/1:00pm MT (19:00 UTC)

Where: https://cuboulder.zoom.us/j/92072555258

Can't Make It?: View archived recordings here https://arctosdb.org/learn/webinars/<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1uQiH59boCAICH7bYditYArQ7fftxegaeEsgJDD0lqlu_TAZYM9aNu4NAstdhE6JTxX9tAgAOnPttFYQleGT3g8HU7OCYTt7YEal59EZDPH7xY6B-XgKUAqq1XX8tzNc7ajryJ5T_MZT6Fid4hzAaHreIpe6iO_1SVwTivraL61PwCRiNV_t23LxxRgTnzZWrP8wc2o9hvKEty_2U20CaEnliceylR9-goVopZSERd8_urMPXEEnnk6pWxCf26jE-Lrx9OHdSKb2KsIxewqmNVtlVS_yFuR3Vjrc984TxA5jrzMdn7i-g_tzkaMaWCt21jHv5qB8-Zx5xdYvO4OQlpK7WgV3QfrYAdBfpaNm34Pz2Ot_p0ialCnSf8MfMi3HBJ84Rer6kEjQCUxF4hnQusxDHxKp6hidjdId_HvHeUDBywIcfez42JzW-2GSV220UCME-qeNnAgTX0De39qfWEA/https%3A%2F%2Farctosdb.org%2Flearn%2Fwebinars%2F>

Emily Braker
Vertebrate Collections Manager, Zoology Section
University of Colorado Museum of Natural History
265 UCB, Bruce Curtis Building
Boulder, CO 80309-0218
Phone: 303-492-8466
http://www.colorado.edu/cumuseum/research-collections/vertebrates

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From luc.willemse at naturalis.nl  Tue Jan  5 11:00:08 2021
From: luc.willemse at naturalis.nl (Luc Willemse)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 17:00:08 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] quantification of collection use
Message-ID: <CAC2m5=7t_+iQUdd-0GPQkeXD-8Dxyxcpg6RTztXndX1FwLU_oA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I am interested in numbers, statistics and analysis linked to the use being
made of natural history collections. I have two questions for which some of
you may have some answers or suggestions.
1. To quantify collection use, often the number of visitors, visitor days
or loans are used as parameters. I welcome any suggestions as to where I
can find online or offline information with preferably long term reviews
including analysis of collection use based on these parameters
2. When it comes to quantifying collection use in more detail other
parameters may be required like the method of use (digital versus
physical), the time aspect (frequency, duration), the rationale behind the
use (taxonomy; DNA analysis; faunistics; ecology etc.) and the object(s)
used (a single specimen, a single species, a genus, all specimens of a
family etc.). Again I would welcome any suggestions where I can find online
or offline information with reviews including analysis of collection use
based on such parameters.

Wishing you all the best for 2021 and thank you for your time

Luc Willemse
Collectionmanager Orthopteroidea






+31717519351 - +31638471668
luc.willemse at naturalis.nl - www.naturalis.nl
Darwinweg 2, 2333 CR Leiden
Postbus 9517, 2300 RA Leiden

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From ewommack at uwyo.edu  Tue Jan  5 17:17:02 2021
From: ewommack at uwyo.edu (Elizabeth Wommack)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 15:17:02 -0700
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] quantification of collection use
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Message-ID: <CAHRfMQ=4mJHpVqfjjHOR14QwGOskKPYCuFpva1GpsPZwjX9_bw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Luc,

It sounds like you might be interested in some of the tracking abilities
that Arctos (https://arctosdb.org/) allows for its collections. Probably
the easiest way to learn about how Arctos allows the tracking of use is to
take a look at the webinar on Projects, Publications, and Citations
<https://youtu.be/aLCC-SI1-RI>, but you may also be interested in some of
the nitty gritty on how collections can tract loans and accessions
<https://youtu.be/TGCNDjyvgVM>.

Each collection in Arctos has their own permissions and control of our
data, but we can also set some areas (like Projects) viewable by the
public. I find it a really easy way to share how specimens that are donated
to our museum are used with different stake holders.

Hope that might provide some help for your search.

cheers,
Beth Wommack


On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 9:00 AM Luc Willemse <luc.willemse at naturalis.nl>
wrote:

> ? This message was sent from a non-UWYO address. Please exercise caution
> when clicking links or opening attachments from external sources.
>
> Hi all,
> I am interested in numbers, statistics and analysis linked to the use
> being made of natural history collections. I have two questions for which
> some of you may have some answers or suggestions.
> 1. To quantify collection use, often the number of visitors, visitor days
> or loans are used as parameters. I welcome any suggestions as to where I
> can find online or offline information with preferably long term reviews
> including analysis of collection use based on these parameters
> 2. When it comes to quantifying collection use in more detail other
> parameters may be required like the method of use (digital versus
> physical), the time aspect (frequency, duration), the rationale behind the
> use (taxonomy; DNA analysis; faunistics; ecology etc.) and the object(s)
> used (a single specimen, a single species, a genus, all specimens of a
> family etc.). Again I would welcome any suggestions where I can find
> online or offline information with reviews including analysis of collection
> use based on such parameters.
>
> Wishing you all the best for 2021 and thank you for your time
>
> Luc Willemse
> Collectionmanager Orthopteroidea
>
>
>
>
>
>
> +31717519351 - +31638471668
> luc.willemse at naturalis.nl - www.naturalis.nl
> Darwinweg 2, 2333 CR Leiden
> Postbus 9517, 2300 RA Leiden
>
> <https://www.naturalis.nl/over-ons> <https://www.naturalis.nl/lang-leve>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
Elizabeth Wommack, PhD
Curator and Collections Manager of Vertebrates
University of Wyoming Museum of Vertebrates
Berry Biodiversity Conservation Center
University of Wyoming,
Laramie, WY 82071
ewommack@ <ewommack at berkeley.edu>uwyo.edu
www.uwymv. <http://www.uwymv.edu/>org
UWYMV Collection Use Policy
<http://www.uwymv.org/index.php/download_file/view/43/143/>
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From mweksler at mn.ufrj.br  Wed Jan  6 10:03:24 2021
From: mweksler at mn.ufrj.br (Marcelo Weksler)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 12:03:24 -0300
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Natural history museum controversies?
In-Reply-To: <ed088627f52a444e8919d65bb20b0b47@MBXCAS001.nmes.lcl>
References: <ed088627f52a444e8919d65bb20b0b47@MBXCAS001.nmes.lcl>
Message-ID: <C7CBFD20-472C-4E8C-8D8E-926308F75E3C@mn.ufrj.br>

Hi Derek,

I hope all is well with you in the new year. Not sure if you are still searching for controversies in natural history, but I came across this paper on ornithology frauds:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/288701885_What_the_eye_doesn't_see_The_prevalence_of_fraud_in_ornithology

Best, mw
?
Marcelo Weksler
Museu Nacional / Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro
Setor de Mastozoologia
Departamento de Vertebrados
Quinta da Boa Vista s/n. S?o Cristov?o
20940-040, Rio de Janeiro, RJ, Brasil
Tel.: +55 21 99571-4059
mweksler at mn.ufrj.br; marcelo.weksler at gmail.com


> On Oct 19, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Volden, Nicole, DCA <Nicole.Volden at state.nm.us> wrote:
> 
>  
> In general, the topic of Burmese amber and whether it is ethical for museums and researchers to buy and publish on these, sometimes spectacular, specimens:
>  
> https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/05/fossils-burmese-amber-offer-exquisite-view-dinosaur-times-and-ethical-minefield <https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/05/fossils-burmese-amber-offer-exquisite-view-dinosaur-times-and-ethical-minefield>
>  
> Nicole Volden
> Geoscience Collections Manager
> New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Science
> 1801 Mountain Road NW
> Albuquerque, NM 87104
> 505-841-2843
> nicole.volden at state.nm.us <mailto:nicole.volden at state.nm.us>
>  
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:45:18 -0800
> From: Derek Sikes <dssikes at alaska.edu <mailto:dssikes at alaska.edu>>
> To: ECN-L at listserv.unl.edu <mailto:ECN-L at listserv.unl.edu>, nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Natural history museum controversies?
> Message-ID:
> <CAFV61VFVxzo2E-O0LGYP3sqQmgH+CubQT+WEOk7s-eom3cHcKg at mail.gmail.com <mailto:CAFV61VFVxzo2E-O0LGYP3sqQmgH+CubQT+WEOk7s-eom3cHcKg at mail.gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Do any of you know of any *published* natural history / science
> controversies in museums that are quite famous? These could range from
> taking on specimens or collections that are controversial, to research
> conducted by museums staff/curators that was deemed controversial, etc.
> 
> Ideally, I'd like a publication or documentary / video that has the
> details. No need to reply with unpublished accounts! & These should involve
> museum specimens (so no need to reply with stories of misbehaviors of
> museum personnel if specimens were not involved).
> 
> Thanks!
> Derek
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Derek S. Sikes, Curator of Insects
> Professor of Entomology
> University of Alaska Museum
> University of Alaska Fairbanks
> 1962 Yukon Drive
> Fairbanks, AK 99775-6960
> 
> dssikes at alaska.edu
> 
> phone: 907-474-6278
> FAX: 907-474-5469
> he/him/his
> University of Alaska Museum - search 400,276 digitized arthropod records
> http://arctos.database.museum/uam_ento_all <http://arctos.database.museum/uam_ento_all>
> <http://www.uaf.edu/museum/collections/ento/ <http://www.uaf.edu/museum/collections/ento>>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> Interested in Alaskan Entomology? Join the Alaska Entomological
> Society and / or sign up for the email listserv "Alaska Entomological
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From abentley at ku.edu  Wed Jan  6 13:00:17 2021
From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 18:00:17 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] FW: Upcoming Webinar: Forward-Thinking Discussion on
 Biological Collections
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Forward-Thinking Discussion on Biological Collections

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Time: 2:00-4:00 PM Eastern Time (includes a 15 minute break)
Location: Online via Zoom

We invite you to join the American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS), Natural Science Collections Alliance (NSCA), and Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC) for a joint discussion with the Biodiversity Collections Network (BCoN) and the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM) on the future of biological collections.

Representatives from the NASEM panel that authored the report, Biological Collections: Ensuring Critical Research and Education for the 21st Century<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=8bd0feb3ad&e=6708ed45cf>, and the Extended Specimen Network<https://aibs.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a2886d199362c2554974f78af&id=1d87f2a987&e=6708ed45cf> writing committee will discuss and leverage the common themes and associated recommendations from these reports to kick off discussions on the short-, medium-, and long-term implementation plan goals and identify the path forward.

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From fran_ritchie at nps.gov  Thu Jan  7 10:20:08 2021
From: fran_ritchie at nps.gov (Ritchie, Fran E)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 15:20:08 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Seeking protocols for handling pesticide-containing
 collections
Message-ID: <DM8PR09MB60376628B205264D983802ACEBAF0@DM8PR09MB6037.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>

I'm sending this VERY QUICK survey on behalf of an art conservation graduate student at Buffalo State College. She's working on creating written protocols for handling and treating objects with residual pesticides (or other health hazards) and is seeking information from others who deal with these collections. Do you have written protocols or at least standardized procedures? The survey is very short. Spoiler: if you have a written protocol/procedures, please send them along!

Survey: click here<https://forms.gle/ZL4Kidb9CBT7sbcc7>

Thank you so much for your help. The student is Liatte Dotan. If you'd like to reach out directly to her, her email is dotanL01 at mail.buffalostate.edu<mailto:dotanL01 at mail.buffalostate.edu>

Best,
Fran

Fran Ritchie, Conservator (Objects)
Harpers Ferry Center
Fran_Ritchie at nps.gov

American Institute for Conservation Professional Associate (peer-reviewed)

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From jpandey at aibs.org  Thu Jan  7 12:47:29 2021
From: jpandey at aibs.org (Jyotsna Pandey)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 12:47:29 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Register Now: AIBS Enabling Interdisciplinary and Team
 Science
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*Enabling Interdisciplinary and Team Science: A Professional Development
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Team science is increasingly common in the 21st century to develop
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The American Institute of Biological Sciences has responded to this call
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participants will work on ?real-world? team science concerns, we encourage
multiple members of a team to attend together.

*Participants will develop and hone the skills needed to:*

   - Explain interdisciplinary team science and characteristics of
   effective scientific teams
   - Describe how teams work
   - Improve team communication and trust
   - Resolve individual and team conflicts
   - Recognize competencies and characteristics of effective team leadership
   - Create effective teams and team culture
   - Develop a shared vision, mission, plan, and key performance indicators
   for a scientific team
   - Identify and assess the right mix of competencies and people needed
   for a scientific team
   - Use team tools and processes such as quality improvement cycle and
   knowledge mapping

Participants also have ongoing free access to a course folder packed with
resources like course presentation slides, exercises to use with teams,
templates, articles, and links to surveys and assessments, videos,
websites, and other information.

*Dates: *April 5-6, 2021
*Location: *Online

*Learn more and register at: *
https://www.aibs.org/news/2021/210106-team-science.html#subheader

We look forward to seeing you online!
___________________
Jyotsna Pandey, Ph.D.
Public Policy Manager
American Institute of Biological Sciences

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From abentley at ku.edu  Fri Jan  8 11:04:38 2021
From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 16:04:38 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Monterey Bay Aquarium loans ultra-cold freezer to
 hospital for COVID vaccine storage
Message-ID: <F135BBBC-8DA5-4B98-99FB-6C8BA26B4955@ku.edu>

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/12/31/monterey-bay-aquarium-loans-natividad-hospital-ultra-cold-freezer-for-covid-19-vaccine/<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mercurynews.com%2F2020%2F12%2F31%2Fmonterey-bay-aquarium-loans-natividad-hospital-ultra-cold-freezer-for-covid-19-vaccine%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C54486738543c4d49e00d08d8b3dca47b%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637457107516953649%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QJNQYVbSz1YTr9creXOskdMyxCuNRyyK%2FTbBD1jY%2B%2B0%3D&reserved=0>

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University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
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From tiffany-adrain at uiowa.edu  Mon Jan 11 11:30:40 2021
From: tiffany-adrain at uiowa.edu (Adrain, Tiffany S)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 16:30:40 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] SPNHC Elections
In-Reply-To: <CAMuABgsgOfYLVrMnwMOxOfhNdMJrGGAy0a4z=nafnRUByaYF_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMuABgsgOfYLVrMnwMOxOfhNdMJrGGAy0a4z=nafnRUByaYF_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR04MB389864B086FB4B050BFEA63E92AB0@DM6PR04MB3898.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Dear SPNHC members,



I?m very happy to announce the results of the 2020 Elections as follows:





MEMBER AT LARGE:   Meghann Toner, Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History



MEMBER AT LARGE:   Vanessa Delnavaz, Santa Barbara Museum of Natural History



The candidates will assume their new positions at the end of the virtual SPNHC Annual Business Meeting (ABM).  The upcoming joint SPNHC and AIC meeting is shaping up to be quite interesting, so hope you can make it! Please take a look at the Program and Schedule and register before February 28th to receive the early member registration rate.



https://learning.culturalheritage.org/p/2021AICannualmeeting#tab-product_tab_overview



May 3-7, 2021 (Pre-sessions and Workshops)
May 10 to June 24, 2021  (Main Conference)



Sincerely,

Paul Mayer





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Paul Mayer

President

Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections

Collections Manager
Fossil Invertebrates
Gantz Family Collections Center
Science and Education

>From the Home Office in Oak Park
312 401-2081

312.665.7631

The Field Museum
1400 S. Lake Shore Dr.
Chicago, IL 60605-2496
fieldmuseum.org<http://fieldmuseum.org>

pmayer at fieldmuseum.org<mailto:pmayer at fieldmuseum.org>

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From tiffany-adrain at uiowa.edu  Mon Jan 11 12:51:54 2021
From: tiffany-adrain at uiowa.edu (Adrain, Tiffany S)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:51:54 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] SPNHC Membership renewal and donations for 2021
Message-ID: <DM6PR04MB38983B8CDBF2D0D855D54F9A92AB0@DM6PR04MB3898.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Dear SPNHC Members,

It's time to renew your SPNHC Membership for 2021 if you haven't done so already.* New members are welcome!

Please visit the SPNHC website: https://spnhc.org/ and click on "Log In" on the menu at the bottom of the page. If you have forgotten your password, click on "Forgot Password" or contact me for assistance at membership at spnhc.org.

On your profile page, update your profile (add a photo!), correct your email address** as necessary, then click "Subscriptions" to select your current subscription that expires February 14, 2021 and renew or change plan as desired. You will be directed to PayPal. Select "Pay with Debit or Credit Card" if you do not have a PayPal account or do not wish to set one up. Please make sure your transaction completes. You should receive receipt emails from PayPal and SPNHC and a SPNHC Membership welcome email. If you cannot use this preferred method and wish to send a check, or you wish to subscribe to Life Membership with payment plan, contact treasurer at spnhc.org.

Student members, please email a copy of your student ID to membership at spnhc.org.

Late Regular Membership renewals after February 14th, 2021 will cost $55.

Why not support SPNHC further and make a donation<https://spnhc.org/get-involved/donate/>? If you wish to send a check or donate to a specific fund, please contact treasurer at spnhc.org.


Thank you for being part of our community. Membership in SPNHC gives you access to a lively, active, and interdisciplinary global community of professionals dedicated to the care of natural history collections. SPNHC's membership is drawn from more than 20 countries and includes museum specialists such as curators, collections managers, conservators, preparators, and database administrators. Here are a few ways to use your membership:

  *   Register now for Transform 2021: AIC/SPNHC Joint Virtual Annual Meeting, May 10- June 24, 2021.<https://www.culturalheritage.org/events/annual-meeting/current-meeting>

  *   Check out the latest published resources<https://spnhc.org/resources/>; reports from the Society?s officers and committees, news items, and other articles of general interest in the SPNHC Connection newsletter; and peer-reviewed papers in our annual journal, Collection Forum. The latest issues are available to members only.

  *   Treat yourself to a copy of the recent SPNHC publication "Preventive Conservation: Collection Storage." The volume is now available on the AIC store<https://store.culturalheritage.org/site/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=AIC-31>. Check out the table of contents, authors, and abstracts here: https://spnhc.biowikifarm.net/wiki/Collection_Storage<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fspnhc.biowikifarm.net%2Fwiki%2FCollection_Storage&data=02%7C01%7Clelkin%40amnh.org%7C21b7cda90c354e7604a708d73d10a29e%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637045013978454569&sdata=zGQ4GAatepaNcg0LOZGNcZqp3tSNAfHAVoqQJNKkLx8%3D&reserved=0>.

  *   Join a committee<https://spnhc.org/what-spnhc-does/governance/committees-and-representatives/>. We need your ideas and help!

  *   Vote in the SPNHC officer elections and nominate yourself or a colleague for a position (watch for email invitations).

  *   Join the Emerging Professionals Group (EPG)<https://spnhc.org/get-involved/emerging-professionals/>if you are a student or just starting your career.

  *   Be sure to join the NHCOLL-L listserv<https://spnhc.org/resources/nhcoll-l/>for discussions about collections care, announcements including events, job opportunities, publications, training and webinars, Society business, and connection with other colleagues in your field.

  *   If you enjoyed, or missed, our virtual annual meeting in June 2020 you can watch recordings of the sessions on the SPNHC YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClqmXpv8eKDJnC6FsdYtajg

Don?t forget to take a look at all of the interesting and informative posters here: https://spnhc.biowikifarm.net/wiki/Posters


  *   Find a wealth of resources on our website at www.spnhc.org<http://www.spnhc.org/>.

If you have questions about your membership, please contact the Membership Chair, Tiffany Adrain at membership at spnhc.org<mailto:membership at spnhc.org>.


Thanks again for renewing your membership!


SPNHC Membership Committee

 *Thank you if you have already renewed for 2021. Welcome, new members for 2021, and Happy Anniversary to our Life Members!

Institutional Members: renewal is the responsibility of your Institutional Delegate. If you wish to have your own vote at the SPNHC ABM or stand for office, you are welcome to join as a Regular, Student, or Life Member.
**If you are a SPNHC Member and did not receive a copy of this email directly from SPNHC Membership, please check that we have your current email address.

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From info at arcsinfo.org  Mon Jan 11 21:30:00 2021
From: info at arcsinfo.org (ARCS)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 21:30:00 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Call for ARCS Board Nominations & #ARCSchat The
 Post-COVID Courier Part 2 Jan 19 @ 1pm ET ARCS Update Vol 6 | Update 1
Message-ID: <CACgsus4P+wVpk5ceYNfDS01DvxbGWc2i70NKHTwOBPHSewZJgg@mail.gmail.com>

***Board of Directors - Call for Nominations***
As the terms of current members of our Board of Directors end, we call on
members to serve on our active board of leaders. To better fulfill our
mission, strengthen our cognitive diversity, and meet the needs of a global
community, we seek individuals with a variety of perspectives and
backgrounds. We are encouraging consideration of candidates who are Black,
Indigenous and People of Color (BIPOC).

In addition, we are seeking board representation from:
-professionals who steward primarily BIPOC or other less represented
collections
-professionals globally connected, particularly in Latin America
-small galleries and private collections
-history, science and children?s museums
-professionals in adjacent fields, e.g. conservation, preparation, archives
and libraries
-active members of other professional organizations

Please send contact information, a resume, and a statement of interest from
the nominee to the Nominations Committee via the Vice President at
vicepresident at arcsinfo.org with ARCS BOARD NOMINATION as the subject line.
Self-nominations are welcomed and encouraged.

Deadline for submission is February 26, 2021.

Board members:
-must be current members of ARCS
-may be anyone who shares the ARCS mission (with exception of ARCS
employees)
-serve a two-year term
-may serve three consecutive terms
-participate in meetings and serve as board liaison to at least one
committee or task force
expect to spend three to five hours per week on ARCS activities

Board members attend:
-monthly virtual board meetings
-two or three in-person annual board meetings
-in-person board meetings at the biennial conference
-monthly committee or task force meetings as the board liaison

ARCS Mission: to represent and promote Registrars and Collections
Specialists, to educate them in the best practices of registration and
collections care, and to facilitate communication and networking.

***#ARCSchat January 19 at 1:00 p.m. ET The Post-COVID Courier Part 2: The
Full Chicago***
Couriers are the moment's big unanswered question sitting on the tips of
the tongue of museums all across the world. We dared to tackle it in
December, but ended up with an onslaught of questions and ran out of time.
As a result, we return to you on January 19th with a special "Ask Me
Anything" episode designed specifically to answer audience questions
directly from our listeners. Bring your thoughts, worries, and comments for
our panelist and come prepared to participate with your colleagues in the
chat.

To help address your questions, we brought in two experts from the great
windy city:

-Cayetana Castillo, the Executive Director Collections and Loans at the Art
Institute of Chicago, who gave a widely viewed presentation last year in
conjunction with the Association of Art Museum Directors (AAMD)
-Tiffany Charles, the Head of Exhibitions Registration at the Field Museum
in Chicago, and who also serves on the AAM Traveling Exhibitions Network
Task Force.

Join us Tuesday, January 19th at 1:00 p.m. EST. #ARCSchat
https://www.youtube.com/c/AssociationofRegistrarsandCollectionsSpecialists

***Call for Proposals ARCS 2021 Biennial Conference: Evolution***
ARCS invites you to submit proposals for the 2021 Biennial Conference,
Evolution, to be held in Montreal, Canada, on November 10-12, 2021.
Sessions may address any aspect of your work, but priority will be given to
sessions that reflect the theme of the conference, Evolution. The deadline
for submission is February 12, 2021.

For more information:
http://www.arcsinfo.org/programs/2021-montreal-conference/call-for-proposals
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From lecompte at flmnh.ufl.edu  Tue Jan 12 16:49:15 2021
From: lecompte at flmnh.ufl.edu (Lecompte,Elise V)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 21:49:15 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] SPNHC Conference Registration Grants Available--Apply Now
Message-ID: <BN6PR22MB04171FCDC7E264FA575714E499AA0@BN6PR22MB0417.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

SPNCH 2021 Conference Grants
Apply Now

The Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC) is offering grants to cover conference registration for the 2021 AIC and SPNHC Joint Virtual Annual Meeting, https://www.culturalheritage.org/events/annual-meeting/current-meeting. The joint conference will be held May 3-7, 2021 (pre-sessions and workshops) and May 10 to June 24, 2021 (main conference).

Any SPNHC member who works in fields related to the management and preservation/conservation of natural history collections may apply; we especially encourage students and emerging professionals. SPNHC members from the following countries are strongly encouraged to apply?Central and South America, Africa, Asia, and Eastern Europe.

APPLICATION DEADLINE: February 15, 2021, COB (close of business your local time)

Applicants must be members of the Society. Members who have received a SPNHC Conference Travel Grant within the last five (5) years are not eligible. While not required, applicants with at least one of the following qualifications will be given priority: 1) Those who have been accepted to do a virtual presentation or poster and are first author; 2) Those who have produced a virtual collections tour.

Applications are attached. For additional information, contact Elise V. LeCompte, Chair, SPNHC Conference Grants Program, lecompte at flmnh.ufl.edu<mailto:lecompte at flmnh.ufl.edu>.

To become a SPNHC member, please visit https://spnhc.org/get-involved/become-a-member/.

______________________________

Elise V. LeCompte

Registrar and Coord., Mus. Health and Safety
Florida Museum of Natural History

1659 Museum Road

Gainesville, FL 32611-7800
TEL: 352-273-1925

FAX: 352-392-3698

Email: lecompte at flmnh.ufl.edu<mailto:lecompte at flmnh.ufl.edu>

http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/

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From nico.franz at asu.edu  Tue Jan 12 23:48:02 2021
From: nico.franz at asu.edu (Nico Franz)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 21:48:02 -0700
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] New position: Arizona State University - NEON
 Biorepository Sample Preparator
Message-ID: <CALZMeknS4XYqRkvknmj2dv2mtg1+jmmAe4F_oz1oxEJTmBB1BQ@mail.gmail.com>

NEON Biorepository Sample Preparator

The School of Life Sciences at Arizona State University is seeking a Sample
Preparator (Research Technician) for the National Ecological Observatory
Network (NEON) Biorepository. NEON is expected to run for 30 years. For
each project year, the NEON Biorepository at ASU will receive, process,
store, and make available for research an average of 100,000 samples from
more than 80 sites across the United States. We will facilitate this by
creating a data portal to support discovery and tracking of sample
occurrences and sample data linkages, sample transactions, and research use.

The NEON Sample Preparator will make critical contributions to the project
through a variety of curatorial support and sample or specimen preparation
and data publication tasks; focused mainly but not exclusively on mammal
study skin and alcohol preparations and specimen digitization (~85%); and
herbarium voucher preparations and digitization (~15%). If the position is
funded beyond the initial 6-month period, then position contributions may
shift to mammal study skin and alcohol preparations and specimen
digitization (~75%); and herbarium voucher preparations and digitization
(~20%), and sorting, databasing and imaging of select invertebrate samples
(~5%). The position therefore requires a relatively broad scope of research
collection and sample preparation and data publication skills. Critical
skills will revolve around preparing (small) mammal skins, skulls,
skeletons, tissues, organs, and other partial samples, taking standard
measurements, and other procedures that will maximize the long-term
suitability of these NEON samples for varied research purposes. Candidates
who consider themselves well experienced or highly motivated to acquire
these skills and hence complement the existing strengths of the NEON
Biorepository team, are strongly encouraged to apply. An ability to develop
new data products to leverage the research potential of NEON Biorepository
samples with the greater community is highly desired.

Direct link for more information and how to apply:
https://sjobs.brassring.com/TGnewUI/Search/Home/Home?partnerid=25620&siteid=5494#jobDetails=4164905_5494

Or go to: https://cfo.asu.edu/applicant

Job code: 65101BR

Inquiries: nico.franz at asu.edu (website:
https://isearch.asu.edu/profile/1804402)
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From Dianna.Krejsa at angelo.edu  Tue Jan 12 21:47:19 2021
From: Dianna.Krejsa at angelo.edu (Dianna Krejsa)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 02:47:19 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Collections Manager - Angelo State Natural History
 Collections
Message-ID: <SN6PR12MB2831C73543F9F32F8B39A5DB89A90@SN6PR12MB2831.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Job Title       Collections Manager
To learn more and apply, visit
Position Number https://employment.angelo.edu/postings/3447

998174
Department      Biology
Salary  $32,957 - $38,752
Job Summary/Description


Under supervision of the Curators and Department Chair, manages the teaching and scientific specimen collections and databases (Arctos and Symbiota) in the Angelo State Natural History Collections (ASNHC), including the Herbarium, Mammalogy, Ornithology, Herpetology, and Frozen Tissue collections. Serves to promote the ASNHC, department, and university through various forms of community outreach. Oversees undergraduate and graduate student assistants, interns, and volunteers working in collections. Participates in providing input toward new facility design.


Typical Duties/Job Duties

Operational management of research and teaching collections in the Angelo State Natural History Collections (ASNHC), to include the Herbarium; Mammalogy, Ornithology, Herpetology, and Frozen Tissue collections. ASNHC duties are varied, but typical job functions include (but are not limited to):

? Accessioning, cataloging, and integrating specimens into the ASNHC
? Collecting and preserving scientific specimens
? Operating and maintaining the dermestid skeletal preparation facility
? Developing, implementing, and maintaining an integrated pest management (IPM) program
? Improving and maintaining the collection databases (Arctos and Symbiota) with georeferenced locality data
? Processing and managing loans
? Creating and maintaining policies and procedures that are cohesive with best practices
? Providing assistance to curators in research
? Training, managing, and working with undergraduate and graduate student assistants, interns, and volunteers to carry out curation activities and specimen preparation
? Maintaining and developing the ASNHC website
? Producing and distributing regular PR announcements including annual ASNHC newsletters
? Participating in providing input toward new facility design
? Conducting tours, lectures, programs, and classes on collection-related topics
? Assisting in grant-proposal preparations for collection-related projects
? Coordinating and managing permits relating to collection activities
? Participating in museum programs, workshops, seminars, and other forms of professional development in the museum profession
? Serving to promote the ASNHC, department, and university in other various forms of community outreach and social media

Knowledge, Skills and Abilities


? Knowledge of accepted museum standards and practices for collection care, collections management, specimen conservation and preparation, and registration methods
? Skilled in curation of natural history collections
? Knowledge of IPM protocols and procedures, including general knowledge of museum pests
? Skilled in operation of dermestid facility
? Knowledge of georeferencing and specimen-based electronic database protocols
? Knowledge of imaging systems
? Skilled in Microsoft Office
? Skilled and database management software (Arctos and Symbiota, preferred)
? Ability to be detail oriented for accuracy of data and information
? Ability to be highly organized and able to handle multiple projects
? Ability to communicate well and build rapport with students, faculty and staff
? Ability to complete work within deadlines
? Ability to have strong initiative to solve problems
? Ability to work independently and with interdepartmental teams and initiatives
? Skilled in having good presentation (oral and written communication) skills
? Ability to use established occupational health and safety practices
? Ability to organize and complete tasks in an accurate and timely manner
? Ability to manage computerized files and records
? Ability to prepare written communications and reports independently and proofread work accurately
? Ability to work with minimum supervision
? Ability to perform basic mathematical calculations
? Ability to manage annual budget


Minimum Qualifications

B.S. degree in Museum Science, Biology, Zoology, Botany or related field and two years professional experience working in Museum Collection Management or related field.

Preferred Qualifications


M.S. degree in Museum Science, Biology, Zoology, Botany or related field.

Physical Requirements


Position requires:
? Frequent walking, standing, bending, climbing stairs, and carrying and lifting (up to 30 lbs.).
? Reaching, kneeling, crouching
? Visual and hearing acuity
? Basic manual dexterity with both hands

Incumbent works primarily indoors and has regular exposure to dust, chemicals, fumes, and sharp instruments. Occasional exposure to inclement weather conditions when outdoor work is required.

EEO Statement


Angelo State University is an equal opportunity employer and is committed to promoting and ensuring equal employment opportunity for all individuals without regard to race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, sexual orientation, disability, or veteran status. In compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), Angelo State University is committed to providing reasonable accommodations to ensure equal access to employment opportunities for qualified individuals with disabilities. We are committed to ensuring that a qualified individual with a disability has the same rights and privileges in employment as non-disabled employees. If an accommodation is requested for the job application process, please contact our office at (325) 942-2168 or email us at hr at angelo.edu<mailto:hr at angelo.edu?Subject=Accommodation%20Request>.

Posting Number  S334P
Open Date       01/12/2021
Close Date
Desired Start Date      03/01/2021
Review Start Date
Open Until Filled       Yes


[cid:22e34bd6-5abd-46e8-b73a-2a060062ee2d]
Dianna M. Krejsa
Collections Manager, Angelo State Natural History Collections
Angelo State University
Member, Texas Tech University System
ASU Station #10890
San Angelo, TX 76909-0890
Phone: (325) 486-6699, Cell: (515) 979-4137
Office: Cavness 015
dkrejsa at angelo.edu
Pronouns: she/her/hers
<mailto:robert.dowler at angelo.edu>
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From carrie at geology.wisc.edu  Wed Jan 13 13:52:57 2021
From: carrie at geology.wisc.edu (Carrie A. Eaton)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 18:52:57 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] hydraulic lift table suggestions
Message-ID: <DM6PR06MB56606C365C624FC8B181FC7BFEA90@DM6PR06MB5660.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all,
Our museum is in the middle of a collections storage renovation and I'm looking at purchasing a hydraulic lift table to use for large field jackets, heavy specimens etc. in both our collections space and fossil prep lab. I was wondering if anyone had any brands they really liked, pitfalls we should try to avoid, or general suggestions. Feel free to email me off-list if you prefer and thank you in advance for your help!
All the best,
Carrie Eaton

Carrie Eaton, Museum Curator
UW Geology Museum
1215 West Dayton Street
Madison, WI 53706
608.262.4912
twitter @uwgeologymuseum
facebook.com/uwgeologymuseum

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From pfinkle at caspercollege.edu  Wed Jan 13 13:57:41 2021
From: pfinkle at caspercollege.edu (Patti Finkle)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 11:57:41 -0700
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] hydraulic lift table suggestions
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR06MB56606C365C624FC8B181FC7BFEA90@DM6PR06MB5660.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR06MB56606C365C624FC8B181FC7BFEA90@DM6PR06MB5660.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CADOm2XqLgRkB35iG3YjUwC7tox10-k0+avvHPpqxtYmy4sy-Wg@mail.gmail.com>

Great question! Please share any answers you get if you can.

Patti

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 11:54 AM Carrie A. Eaton <carrie at geology.wisc.edu>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Our museum is in the middle of a collections storage renovation and I?m
> looking at purchasing a hydraulic lift table to use for large field
> jackets, heavy specimens etc. in both our collections space and fossil prep
> lab. I was wondering if anyone had any brands they really liked, pitfalls
> we should try to avoid, or general suggestions. Feel free to email me
> off-list if you prefer and thank you in advance for your help!
>
> All the best,
>
> Carrie Eaton
>
>
>
> Carrie Eaton, Museum Curator
>
> UW Geology Museum
>
> 1215 West Dayton Street
>
> Madison, WI 53706
>
> 608.262.4912
>
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> <http://facebook.com/uwgeologymuseum>*
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From rceng at uw.edu  Wed Jan 13 15:16:22 2021
From: rceng at uw.edu (Ron Eng)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 12:16:22 -0800
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] hydraulic lift table suggestions
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR06MB56606C365C624FC8B181FC7BFEA90@DM6PR06MB5660.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR06MB56606C365C624FC8B181FC7BFEA90@DM6PR06MB5660.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <00d501d6e9e8$f698c5a0$e3ca50e0$@uw.edu>

Carrie,

 

We have a lift table purchased from ULINE

https://www.uline.com/BL_1821/Manual-Lift-Tables?pricode=WX554
<https://www.uline.com/BL_1821/Manual-Lift-Tables?pricode=WX554&Sitelink=US_
Google_Material-Handling_Group_333_Lift-Tables_Manual-Lift-Tables&gclid=Cj0K
CQiA0fr_BRDaARIsAABw4Esr6Y6B3lA8kQ9Hvmg7GPk0Xd-oz2i_RDcjAYqzpl0PVfELhreJxLwa
ApkIEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds>
&Sitelink=US_Google_Material-Handling_Group_333_Lift-Tables_Manual-Lift-Tabl
es&gclid=Cj0KCQiA0fr_BRDaARIsAABw4Esr6Y6B3lA8kQ9Hvmg7GPk0Xd-oz2i_RDcjAYqzpl0
PVfELhreJxLwaApkIEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

"Double scissor manual lift table"

Table top: 36 X 20 inches

Maximum height: 51 inches

Load capacity: 770 pounds

 

It has proven to be very useful!

 

Best wishes,
Ron

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ronald C. Eng

(he | him | his)

Geology & Paleontology Collections Manager
e-mail:  <mailto:rceng at u.washington.edu> rceng at uw.edu

telephone: 206.543.6776
fax: 206.685.3039

 

Burke Museum

The Washington State Museum of Natural History and Culture
University of Washington | Box 353010
Seattle, WA 98195-3010

 

NewBurkeLogosmall 

...dedicated to creating a better understanding of the world and our place
in it.

 

The Burke Museum is temporarily closed to slow the spread of COVID-19. Check
out our  <https://www.burkemuseum.org/burke-from-home> Burke from Home page
to stay connected! Stay healthy!

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

 

From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of
Carrie A. Eaton
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 10:53 AM
To: 'Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu'
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] hydraulic lift table suggestions

 

Hi all,

Our museum is in the middle of a collections storage renovation and I'm
looking at purchasing a hydraulic lift table to use for large field jackets,
heavy specimens etc. in both our collections space and fossil prep lab. I
was wondering if anyone had any brands they really liked, pitfalls we should
try to avoid, or general suggestions. Feel free to email me off-list if you
prefer and thank you in advance for your help!

All the best,

Carrie Eaton

 

Carrie Eaton, Museum Curator

UW Geology Museum

1215 West Dayton Street

Madison, WI 53706

608.262.4912
twitter @uwgeologymuseum
facebook.com/uwgeologymuseum

 

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From eirik.rindal at nhm.uio.no  Thu Jan 14 00:56:05 2021
From: eirik.rindal at nhm.uio.no (Eirik Rindal)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 05:56:05 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Mobile app for collection in the field
Message-ID: <378fbdb2a40d4a77b8c5701e4b652137@mail-ex03.exprod.uio.no>

Dear all,
As a part of our digitization of the workflow in the Collections, we are looking for a mobile app to capture data during fieldwork. So when you collect a specimen, yu can use your cellphone to register data about <coordinate, date, who collected> and so on. Does anyone have any recommendations in this respect?

We have had a look at the iNaturalist app and are looking for alternativs to this.



Sincerely,
Eirik Rindal, PhD

Natural History Museum
P.O. Box 1172
Blindern
0318 Oslo
Norway

Tlf: + 47 402 24 872 / 22 85 18 72

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From eliswyman at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 10:04:55 2021
From: eliswyman at gmail.com (Eli Wyman)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 10:04:55 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Mobile app for collection in the field
In-Reply-To: <378fbdb2a40d4a77b8c5701e4b652137@mail-ex03.exprod.uio.no>
References: <378fbdb2a40d4a77b8c5701e4b652137@mail-ex03.exprod.uio.no>
Message-ID: <CACFxWrDLm-GSuQE_x3kvSJpE3GhzDPWQz52qanHQkLb0+H9twg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Eirik,

    I had a very similar issue in our lab and the solution I came up with
was to use a combination of pre-printed barcode labels (printed on special
labels that are cryo and solvent safe) applied to small (1.7ml) tubes and
an app called Scan-It To Office. Scan-It is a subscription app costing
something like $5/month per device which depending on how many devices and
length of field season can be very affordable. It allows you to VERY easily
create custom data input forms within the app that can have many different
kinds of data fields including automatically recording GPS coords, date,
time etc etc, also can input barcodes, photos and so on. It then stores all
records locally on your device (phone/tablet) until you sync it with a
spreadsheet. It works with Excel or Google Sheets. Then it will send all of
the records to your spreadsheet but maintain the last 1000 records on your
phone until you delete them. Hence the data is very safe even if you are
not near an internet connection.

   The system works very well for us, but there are some downsides.
Obviously the way we do it requires one to generate and organize barcodes.
In our case we make a unique barcode for every specimen, though of course
it could be done many other ways, and indeed you could just generate a
unique code each time if you wanted to. One has to be careful about where
the cursor is when uploading to the spreadsheet because if you highlight
the first cell of an already populated sheet it will overwrite the cells.
There are a few other minor issues, but if you are aware of them and plan
around them it is an extremely versatile system that is pretty user
friendly. If you want any other info I am happy to talk about it with you
one on one. We also have an in-house relational database that allows us to
connect the unique specimen ID number across spreadsheets and track
specimen usage (sequencing) etc.

Eli Wyman
Kocher Lab
Princeton University

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:56 AM Eirik Rindal <eirik.rindal at nhm.uio.no>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> As a part of our digitization of the workflow in the Collections, we are
> looking for a mobile app to capture data during fieldwork. So when you
> collect a specimen, yu can use your cellphone to register data about
> ?coordinate, date, who collected? and so on. Does anyone have any
> recommendations in this respect?
>
>
>
> We have had a look at the iNaturalist app and are looking for alternativs
> to this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Eirik Rindal, PhD
>
>
>
> Natural History Museum
>
> P.O. Box 1172
> Blindern
> 0318 Oslo
>
> Norway
>
>
>
> Tlf: + 47 402 24 872 / 22 85 18 72
>
>
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> Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l
>
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> Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose
> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of
> natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to
> society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information.
> Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate.
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From jpandey at aibs.org  Thu Jan 14 11:06:15 2021
From: jpandey at aibs.org (Jyotsna Pandey)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 11:06:15 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Deadline Tomorrow: 2021 AIBS Emerging Public Policy
 Leadership Award
Message-ID: <CAOuC=0FXsWQUn7a5MCkYJ8LPTY0Ogx4Eo+TQ+WudkAdE12rBLA@mail.gmail.com>

*Please share this announcement with interested graduate students*

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graduate students in the biological sciences who are demonstrating an
interest and aptitude for working at the intersection of science and policy.

Recipients of the AIBS Emerging Public Policy Leadership Award receive:

   - *A trip to Washington, DC*, to participate in the AIBS Congressional
   Visits Day, an annual event where scientists meet with lawmakers to
   advocate for federal investment in the biological sciences, with a primary
   focus on the National Science Foundation. Domestic travel and hotel
   expenses are paid for the winners. As a result of the COVID-19 pandemic,
   winners will participate in a virtual advocacy event on *April 19-23,
   2021* and will also have the opportunity to attend a future in-person
   event.
   - *Online policy and communications training*, including information on
   the legislative process and trends in federal science funding, and how to
   engage with policymakers and the news media.
   - *Meetings with congressional policymakers* to discuss the importance
   of federal investment in the biological sciences.
   - *A one-year subscription to the journal BioScience* and a copy of
   ?Communicating Science: A Primer for Working with the Media.?

The 2021 award is open to U.S. citizens and U.S. permanent residents
enrolled in a graduate degree program in the biological sciences, science
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for the award.

Applications are due by *05:00 PM Eastern Time on January 15, 2021*. Learn
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***Please note: The 2021 AIBS Virtual Advocacy Event will be held April
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American Institute of Biological Sciences
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From jutta.buschbom at statistical-genetics.de  Thu Jan 14 16:10:50 2021
From: jutta.buschbom at statistical-genetics.de (Jutta Buschbom)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 22:10:50 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Mobile app for collection in the field
In-Reply-To: <378fbdb2a40d4a77b8c5701e4b652137@mail-ex03.exprod.uio.no>
References: <378fbdb2a40d4a77b8c5701e4b652137@mail-ex03.exprod.uio.no>
Message-ID: <fa8fadec-b59f-8854-dd8e-913a40d61f5d@statistical-genetics.de>

Dear Eirik,

our team is developing GIS Collective (https://giscollective.com/) for
this purpose. The digital platform is allowing users to gather data in
the field using maps and efficiently collaborate on projects.

The platform originated in the sustainability field and is already in
use by the Open Green Map community (https://www.opengreenmap.org/home).
It enables diverse communities of users to collect, manage and visualize
geospatial data with user-defined sets of attributes.

Currently, we are expanding its functionality for application in the
biodiversity sciences and the seamless integration into their digital
work flows. Our first use case is a country-level monitoring project of
a pollinator species. We are looking for additional use cases.

If you are interested in using the app and becoming an early adopter,
please contact us.

These are the platforms main principles and some technical information:
* Own your data! You can use the app as software-as-a-service or install
it on your own server.
* Access management is implemented both for data and users.
* Import and export functionality, as well as, an API enable
interoperability.
* The app currently runs in the browser with layouts for mobile devices.
The goal is to develop native mobile apps for online and offline use in
the field.
* We aim for a user-friendly and modern experience both for digital
non-natives and power-users.
* The software is open-source with a tiered license model. This includes
a free license option providing the functionality needed by individual
users and small teams.

Let me know if you need more information.

Best wishes,

Jutta Buschbom




Statistical Genetics

Dr. Jutta Buschbom
Gerhart-Hauptmann-Strasse 35
22926 Ahrensburg
Germany

+49 (0)4102 459264
jutta.buschbom at statistical-genetics.de
https://statistical-genetics.com

[first name][last name]
she|her





On 14.01.21 06:56, Eirik Rindal wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> As a part of our digitization of the workflow in the Collections, we are
> looking for a mobile app to capture data during fieldwork. So when you
> collect a specimen, yu can use your cellphone to register data about
> ?coordinate, date, who collected? and so on. Does anyone have any
> recommendations in this respect?
> 
> ?
> 
> We have had a look at the iNaturalist app and are looking for
> alternativs to this.
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Eirik Rindal, PhD
> 
> ?
> 
> Natural History Museum
> 
> P.O. Box 1172
> Blindern
> 0318 Oslo
> 
> Norway
> 
> ?
> 
> Tlf: + 47 402 24 872 / 22 85 18 72
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Nhcoll-l mailing list
> Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of
> Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose
> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of
> natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to
> society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information.
> Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate.
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From arountre at umich.edu  Thu Jan 14 18:13:17 2021
From: arountre at umich.edu (Adam Rountrey)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 18:13:17 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] hydraulic lift table suggestions
In-Reply-To: <00d501d6e9e8$f698c5a0$e3ca50e0$@uw.edu>
References: <DM6PR06MB56606C365C624FC8B181FC7BFEA90@DM6PR06MB5660.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
 <00d501d6e9e8$f698c5a0$e3ca50e0$@uw.edu>
Message-ID: <CAN8WEg05FCiJCdGQaK6Wg3yGufEWMPHneSGhgGiv+r6vfuhN9w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Carrie,
We have a few manual lifts here at the UMMP, and I suppose each has its
pros and cons.  Take note of the weight of the lift itself when comparing
them.  We purchased one with a high lift range, and it weighs about 400lbs,
making it difficult to move/stop and dangerous to use on inclines.  You
might also consider a manual "stacker" like the Vestil HYD-15 (no
endorsement, just an example).  They allow you to get the platform closer
to the floor (and higher, in some cases).
-Adam

Adam N. Rountrey, Ph.D.
Research Museum Collection Manager
University of Michigan Museum of Paleontology
T: +1 734 936 1385
3D Online Repository (UMORF) <https://umorf.ummp.lsa.umich.edu/wp/>






On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 3:17 PM Ron Eng <rceng at uw.edu> wrote:

> Carrie,
>
>
>
> We have a lift table purchased from ULINE
>
>
> https://www.uline.com/BL_1821/Manual-Lift-Tables?pricode=WX554&Sitelink=US_Google_Material-Handling_Group_333_Lift-Tables_Manual-Lift-Tables&gclid=Cj0KCQiA0fr_BRDaARIsAABw4Esr6Y6B3lA8kQ9Hvmg7GPk0Xd-oz2i_RDcjAYqzpl0PVfELhreJxLwaApkIEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
>
>
>
> ?Double scissor manual lift table?
>
> Table top: 36 X 20 inches
>
> Maximum height: 51 inches
>
> Load capacity: 770 pounds
>
>
>
> It has proven to be very useful!
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
> Ron
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Ronald C. Eng
>
> (*he *|* him *|* his*)
>
> Geology & Paleontology Collections Manager
> e-mail: rceng at uw.edu <rceng at u.washington.edu>
>
> telephone: 206.543.6776
> fax: 206.685.3039
>
>
>
> Burke Museum
>
> The Washington State Museum of Natural History and Culture
> University of Washington | Box 353010
> Seattle, WA 98195-3010
>
>
>
> [image: NewBurkeLogosmall]
>
> *...**dedicated to creating a better understanding of the world and our
> place in it.*
>
>
>
> *The Burke Museum is temporarily closed to slow the spread of COVID-19.
> Check out our **Burke from Home page*
> <https://www.burkemuseum.org/burke-from-home>* to stay connected! Stay
> healthy!*
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] *On Behalf Of
> *Carrie A. Eaton
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2021 10:53 AM
> *To:* 'Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu'
> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] hydraulic lift table suggestions
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Our museum is in the middle of a collections storage renovation and I?m
> looking at purchasing a hydraulic lift table to use for large field
> jackets, heavy specimens etc. in both our collections space and fossil prep
> lab. I was wondering if anyone had any brands they really liked, pitfalls
> we should try to avoid, or general suggestions. Feel free to email me
> off-list if you prefer and thank you in advance for your help!
>
> All the best,
>
> Carrie Eaton
>
>
>
> Carrie Eaton, Museum Curator
>
> UW Geology Museum
>
> 1215 West Dayton Street
>
> Madison, WI 53706
>
> 608.262.4912
>
> *twitter @uwgeologymuseumfacebook.com/uwgeologymuseum
> <http://facebook.com/uwgeologymuseum>*
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nhcoll-l mailing list
> Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l
>
> _______________________________________________
> NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of
> Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose
> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of
> natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to
> society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information.
> Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate.
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From eirik.rindal at nhm.uio.no  Mon Jan 18 10:58:06 2021
From: eirik.rindal at nhm.uio.no (Eirik Rindal)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 15:58:06 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Mobile app for collection in the field
In-Reply-To: <fa8fadec-b59f-8854-dd8e-913a40d61f5d@statistical-genetics.de>
References: <378fbdb2a40d4a77b8c5701e4b652137@mail-ex03.exprod.uio.no>
 <fa8fadec-b59f-8854-dd8e-913a40d61f5d@statistical-genetics.de>
Message-ID: <8e82199442264b2ba137d81b07771927@mail-ex03.exprod.uio.no>

Dear All,

Thank you for your responses, we will conduct tests on all of the suggested apps to see which one (if any) fits our needs.

Currently on my list over possible apps are:

Nettskjema Bilde, Norwegian users only :-( 
https://www.uio.no/tjenester/it/adm-app/nettskjema/hjelp/hente-inn-svar/fortroligedata-bilde.html 

iNaturalist, 
https://www.inaturalist.org

Scan-It To Office,
https://www.tec-it.com/en/software/mobile-data-acquisition/scan-it-to-office/overview/Default.aspx

collNotes,  
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6711348/
https://github.com/CapPow/collBook
https://github.com/j-h-m/collNotes

KoboToolbox 
https://www.kobotoolbox.org

GIS Collective 
https://giscollective.com/



Sincerely,
Eirik Rindal, PhD

Natural History Museum
P.O. Box 1172
Blindern
0318 Oslo 
Norway

Tlf: + 47 402 24 872 / 22 85 18 72










-----Original Message-----
From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Jutta Buschbom
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 10:11 PM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Mobile app for collection in the field

Dear Eirik,

our team is developing GIS Collective (https://giscollective.com/) for this purpose. The digital platform is allowing users to gather data in the field using maps and efficiently collaborate on projects.

The platform originated in the sustainability field and is already in use by the Open Green Map community (https://www.opengreenmap.org/home).
It enables diverse communities of users to collect, manage and visualize geospatial data with user-defined sets of attributes.

Currently, we are expanding its functionality for application in the biodiversity sciences and the seamless integration into their digital work flows. Our first use case is a country-level monitoring project of a pollinator species. We are looking for additional use cases.

If you are interested in using the app and becoming an early adopter, please contact us.

These are the platforms main principles and some technical information:
* Own your data! You can use the app as software-as-a-service or install it on your own server.
* Access management is implemented both for data and users.
* Import and export functionality, as well as, an API enable interoperability.
* The app currently runs in the browser with layouts for mobile devices.
The goal is to develop native mobile apps for online and offline use in the field.
* We aim for a user-friendly and modern experience both for digital non-natives and power-users.
* The software is open-source with a tiered license model. This includes a free license option providing the functionality needed by individual users and small teams.

Let me know if you need more information.

Best wishes,

Jutta Buschbom




Statistical Genetics

Dr. Jutta Buschbom
Gerhart-Hauptmann-Strasse 35
22926 Ahrensburg
Germany

+49 (0)4102 459264
jutta.buschbom at statistical-genetics.de
https://statistical-genetics.com

[first name][last name]
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On 14.01.21 06:56, Eirik Rindal wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> As a part of our digitization of the workflow in the Collections, we 
> are looking for a mobile app to capture data during fieldwork. So when 
> you collect a specimen, yu can use your cellphone to register data 
> about ?coordinate, date, who collected? and so on. Does anyone have 
> any recommendations in this respect?
> 
> ?
> 
> We have had a look at the iNaturalist app and are looking for 
> alternativs to this.
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Eirik Rindal, PhD
> 
> ?
> 
> Natural History Museum
> 
> P.O. Box 1172
> Blindern
> 0318 Oslo
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From cassidyk at wsu.edu  Tue Jan 19 13:27:17 2021
From: cassidyk at wsu.edu (Cassidy, Kelly Michela)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 18:27:17 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Techniques for taking toe pad samples?
Message-ID: <BY5PR01MB6003B81E726AC1892E938066CCA30@BY5PR01MB6003.prod.exchangelabs.com>

I am getting more frequent requests for toe pad samples for DNA sequencing, instead of skin clips.

I find it difficult to take these samples without putting stress on the prepared skin. The toe pads are tough and leathery. Scalpels don't cut into them very easily, if at all. The most recent request is for a sample from a vole, which has small feet.

Are there any techniques or recommended tools to help minimize stress and possible damage to skins when taking toe pad samples?

Dr. Kelly M. Cassidy, Curator, Conner Museum
School of Biological Sciences
Box 644236
Washington State University
Pullman, WA 99164-4236
509-335-3515

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From corymredman at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 13:48:16 2021
From: corymredman at gmail.com (Cory Redman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:48:16 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Identifying bird feathers in an old hat.......
Message-ID: <CAHXZ6+ivE6vari0gJc2TWEWWHod_AwfGpE8BnyzAijBe32=_-w@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone identify what bird (or birds) the feathers in this hat most
likely came from?

https://grpmcollections.org/Detail/objects/4202

I appreciate the help!

-- 
Cory M. Redman (BSc; MSc; PhD)
Science Curator
Grand Rapids Public Museum

272 Pearl Street NW
Grand Rapids, MI 49504
www.grpm.org

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From lbriscoe at nybg.org  Tue Jan 19 14:16:04 2021
From: lbriscoe at nybg.org (Briscoe, Laura)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 19:16:04 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Survey on Offensive Collections Materials
Message-ID: <DM5PR2201MB1451C30C4392E1F23C8D0C04B3A30@DM5PR2201MB1451.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Have you ever had a curatorial cringe moment? Have you looked at a collection label and been faced with something insensitive at best, offensive at worst?


We are a small task force of collections professionals addressing derogatory language in collections and their associated data and we are gathering information on institutional practices dealing with collections that contain offensive language.


We invite your input in a 10-question survey<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScN-eWZb0T2FWUVJF80Ge-MW_RttZwNBihtA8j_sgt36X3Xiw/viewform?usp=sf_link> that will help to assess if and how collections are dealing with these types of materials with the goal of documenting and developing best practices to preserve the historical integrity of scientific collections while also facilitating a safe and inclusive environment for museum staff as well as global users of our data.


Please take a moment to answer this short survey, and share it with natural history collections colleagues who may not be on this list. The survey will be open until February 14th. For any questions about the project, please contact Laura Briscoe (lbriscoe at nybg.org).


Access Survey Here<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScN-eWZb0T2FWUVJF80Ge-MW_RttZwNBihtA8j_sgt36X3Xiw/viewform?usp=sf_link>


With best wishes,

James Ryan Allen (University of Colorado), Laura Briscoe (New York Botanical Garden), McKenna Coyle (New York Botanical Garden), Aliya Davenport (Reinhardt University), Janet Mansaray (Louisiana State University), Carol Ann McCormick (University of North Carolina Chapel Hill), Mare Nazaire (California Botanic Garden), Michaela Schmull (Harvard University)
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From ecashion at ohiohistory.org  Tue Jan 19 14:50:13 2021
From: ecashion at ohiohistory.org (Erin Cashion)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 19:50:13 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Identifying bird feathers in an old hat.......
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Hi Cory,

My knowledge of Galliformes outside of North America is shaky, but I believe the shorter feathers are scapulars from either Phasianus versicolor<https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/fd/d8/e6fdd89a788e760ab0690c8b0e796d1a.jpg> or Phasianus colchicus<https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3947/14966344994_5bb5192387_b.jpg>, or a domestic hybrid thereof, or from a closely related species. You?ll notice the interior color of the feathers on the live birds is a light buff - I suspect the feathers may have been dyed to match the brown of the hat, or they may be stained due to age or from contaminants.

The longer feathers may be upper tail coverts from a red jungle fowl, Gallus gallus<https://www.cacklehatchery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/shutterstock_162402209_1_.jpg>, progenitor of our domestic chicken.

Others with more extensive knowledge may wish to correct me.

Thanks,
Erin

Erin B. Cashion | Curator of Natural History
Ohio History Connection | 800 East 17th Ave. Columbus, Ohio 43211
614.298.2054 | ecashion at ohiohistory.org<mailto:ecashion at ohiohistory.org>
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From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Cory Redman
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 1:48 PM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Identifying bird feathers in an old hat.......

Can anyone identify what bird (or birds) the feathers in this hat most likely came from?

https://grpmcollections.org/Detail/objects/4202

I appreciate the help!

--
Cory M. Redman (BSc; MSc; PhD)
Science Curator
Grand Rapids Public Museum

272 Pearl Street NW
Grand Rapids, MI 49504
www.grpm.org<http://www.grpm.org>

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From Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee  Wed Jan 20 03:51:16 2021
From: Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee (Lennart Lennuk)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 08:51:16 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
Message-ID: <ea5e17c68c8c4389ab7b42070dbe4843@loodusmuuseum.ee>

Hello!

What kind of heatsealers you use for sealing stuffed animals before sending them to freezers (getting rid of pests for example)?
Does the heatsealer need three-phase electricity?

Head!
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From rinconrodriguezl at ufl.edu  Tue Jan 19 22:22:54 2021
From: rinconrodriguezl at ufl.edu (Rincon Rodriguez,Laura)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 03:22:54 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Collections Lit Club- January meetup!
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?Hello everybody! Hola a todos!

I will have my meetup on January 28th at 4:00pm EDT. We will be discussing with Dr. Christopher Norris<https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-norris-80044313/> his article titled The future of Natural History Collections (attached to this email).

Please confirm your assistance and reserve your free spot in this link:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/collections-lit-club-tickets-137539360931

*The Zoom link will be available when you've registered by Eventbrite as well

Join Zoom Meeting: https://ufl.zoom.us/j/97151186434
Meeting ID: 971 5118 6434

Stay tuned in my digital platform and check out more info about this initiative: https://community.wearemuseums.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.wearemuseums.com_&d=DwMGaQ&c=sJ6xIWYx-zLMB3EPkvcnVg&r=8djCWB4unh3Px5QvGUlpJOtCnGaZgRk5s6mc30mGuWU&m=VpGJt3wkr-y3kNCXptgFg0rQI3tt3g9fP5gcifPAYIE&s=1hmjej0IiDFeC7JUYrAge1NmyGhYu3Foxi3bELdwcD0&e=> (Sign in and once you get access, you will find the Circles tap on the left side of the page. Look for Collections Lit Club and join it!)

Hope to see you there, and don't forget your drink and snacks!

Cheers!

Laura Rinc?n
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From pepijn.kamminga at naturalis.nl  Wed Jan 20 09:34:45 2021
From: pepijn.kamminga at naturalis.nl (Pepijn Kamminga)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 15:34:45 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Techniques for taking toe pad samples?
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Message-ID: <CAGrqCO2-Ocxngmo2PyfjKzXD3sYBsOT_33Ms_iQdFJJ_HKSEAg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear dr. Cassidy,

Similar requests are made for the bird and mammal collection of Naturalis
Biodiversity Center, the Netherlands. Bird skins often have small flaps of
skin that can be cut with fresh scalpel blades. For me it helps to apply
some counterpressure, but the blade should do the cutting, so I don't apply
too much force. As for mammals I prefer to use specimens stored on alcohol,
I make a small incision in the ventral side of the skin and take a sample
of the breast muscle. Mammalian toepads I find difficult in general. If the
requested specimen is a skin, cutting a piece of tissue along the seam can
also do the trick. I hope this is of any help to you.

Met vriendelijke groet /  Kind regards,

Pepijn Kamminga
Senior Collection Manager Birds & Mammals






+31717519338 - -
pepijn.kamminga at naturalis.nl - www.naturalis.nl
Darwinweg 2, 2333 CR Leiden
Postbus 9517, 2300 RA Leiden

<https://www.naturalis.nl/over-ons> <https://www.naturalis.nl/lang-leve>











Op di 19 jan. 2021 om 19:27 schreef Cassidy, Kelly Michela <cassidyk at wsu.edu
>:

> I am getting more frequent requests for toe pad samples for DNA
> sequencing, instead of skin clips.
>
>
>
> I find it difficult to take these samples without putting stress on the
> prepared skin. The toe pads are tough and leathery. Scalpels don?t cut into
> them very easily, if at all. The most recent request is for a sample from a
> vole, which has small feet.
>
>
>
> Are there any techniques or recommended tools to help minimize stress and
> possible damage to skins when taking toe pad samples?
>
>
>
> Dr. Kelly M. Cassidy, Curator, Conner Museum
>
> School of Biological Sciences
>
> Box 644236
>
> Washington State University
>
> Pullman, WA 99164-4236
>
> 509-335-3515
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nhcoll-l mailing list
> Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l
>
> _______________________________________________
> NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of
> Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose
> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of
> natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to
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From rachael at amartconservation.com  Wed Jan 20 09:52:22 2021
From: rachael at amartconservation.com (rachael at amartconservation.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 09:52:22 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
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Message-ID: <02e701d6ef3b$dc86d0a0$959471e0$@amartconservation.com>

Hello Lennart,

Obviously I cannot speak for anyone else, but the majority of colleagues I know who freeze specimens as a remedial pest measure wrap them in polyethylene plastic that is secured with packing tape rather than sealed with a heat sealer.  I know that some people have investigated which tapes do well in low-temperatures, but I have found that most good quality packing tapes will survive the process and keep the plastic sheeting in place.  This is in contrast, of course, to low-oxygen treatments where a good seal for the barrier films require a heat sealer of some type.

Sincerely,

Rachael

 

 

Rachael Perkins Arenstein

A.M. Art Conservation, LLC

Conservation Treatment, Preservation Consulting & Collection Management

Tel: 917-796-1764 (she/her/hers)

 <http://www.amartconservation.com/> www.amartconservation.com

 <mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com> rachael at amartconservation.com

 

From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 3:51 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

 

Hello!

 

What kind of heatsealers you use for sealing stuffed animals before sending them to freezers (getting rid of pests for example)?

Does the heatsealer need three-phase electricity?

 

Head!
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From cassidyk at wsu.edu  Wed Jan 20 10:55:25 2021
From: cassidyk at wsu.edu (Cassidy, Kelly Michela)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 15:55:25 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Techniques for taking toe pad samples?
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Thank you. I generally don?t have issues taking skin clips. It?s the toe pads that are a challenge to sample without putting stress on the study skin. I received another request for toe pads (on kingfishers) this morning. Maybe some sort of tiny nippers would work better than a scalpel?

Dr. Kelly M. Cassidy, Curator, Conner Museum
School of Biological Sciences
Box 644236
Washington State University
Pullman, WA 99164-4236
509-335-3515

From: Pepijn Kamminga <pepijn.kamminga at naturalis.nl>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:35 AM
To: Cassidy, Kelly Michela <cassidyk at wsu.edu>
Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Techniques for taking toe pad samples?

Dear dr. Cassidy,

Similar requests are made for the bird and mammal collection of Naturalis Biodiversity Center, the Netherlands. Bird skins often have small flaps of skin that can be cut with fresh scalpel blades. For me it helps to apply some counterpressure, but the blade should do the cutting, so I don't apply too much force. As for mammals I prefer to use specimens stored on alcohol, I make a small incision in the ventral side of the skin and take a sample of the breast muscle. Mammalian toepads I find difficult in general. If the requested specimen is a skin, cutting a piece of tissue along the seam can also do the trick. I hope this is of any help to you.

Met vriendelijke groet /  Kind regards,

Pepijn Kamminga
Senior Collection Manager Birds & Mammals
[https://06ecba7b-a-deac235a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/naturalis.nl/signatures/home/logo-new.png]






+31717519338 - -
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Darwinweg 2, 2333 CR Leiden
Postbus 9517, 2300 RA Leiden

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Op di 19 jan. 2021 om 19:27 schreef Cassidy, Kelly Michela <cassidyk at wsu.edu<mailto:cassidyk at wsu.edu>>:
I am getting more frequent requests for toe pad samples for DNA sequencing, instead of skin clips.

I find it difficult to take these samples without putting stress on the prepared skin. The toe pads are tough and leathery. Scalpels don?t cut into them very easily, if at all. The most recent request is for a sample from a vole, which has small feet.

Are there any techniques or recommended tools to help minimize stress and possible damage to skins when taking toe pad samples?

Dr. Kelly M. Cassidy, Curator, Conner Museum
School of Biological Sciences
Box 644236
Washington State University
Pullman, WA 99164-4236
509-335-3515

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From pepijn.kamminga at naturalis.nl  Wed Jan 20 11:05:46 2021
From: pepijn.kamminga at naturalis.nl (Pepijn Kamminga)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 17:05:46 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Techniques for taking toe pad samples?
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Dear dr. Cassidy,

come to think of it, I have a tiny scissors in my toolkit, which has a very
small blade (max 1 cm) and is in an angle relative to the handle, that
gives you also more freedom of movement and has worked for me a few times
with small toepads. It look something like this:
[image: image.png]

Met vriendelijke groet /  Kind regards,

Pepijn Kamminga
Senior Collection Manager Birds & Mammals






+31717519338 - -
pepijn.kamminga at naturalis.nl - www.naturalis.nl
Darwinweg 2, 2333 CR Leiden
Postbus 9517, 2300 RA Leiden

<https://www.naturalis.nl/over-ons> <https://www.naturalis.nl/lang-leve>











Op wo 20 jan. 2021 om 16:55 schreef Cassidy, Kelly Michela <cassidyk at wsu.edu
>:

> Thank you. I generally don?t have issues taking skin clips. It?s the toe
> pads that are a challenge to sample without putting stress on the study
> skin. I received another request for toe pads (on kingfishers) this
> morning. Maybe some sort of tiny nippers would work better than a scalpel?
>
>
>
> Dr. Kelly M. Cassidy, Curator, Conner Museum
>
> School of Biological Sciences
>
> Box 644236
>
> Washington State University
>
> Pullman, WA 99164-4236
>
> 509-335-3515
>
>
>
> *From:* Pepijn Kamminga <pepijn.kamminga at naturalis.nl>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:35 AM
> *To:* Cassidy, Kelly Michela <cassidyk at wsu.edu>
> *Cc:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Techniques for taking toe pad samples?
>
>
>
> Dear dr. Cassidy,
>
>
>
> Similar requests are made for the bird and mammal collection of Naturalis
> Biodiversity Center, the Netherlands. Bird skins often have small flaps of
> skin that can be cut with fresh scalpel blades. For me it helps to apply
> some counterpressure, but the blade should do the cutting, so I don't apply
> too much force. As for mammals I prefer to use specimens stored on alcohol,
> I make a small incision in the ventral side of the skin and take a sample
> of the breast muscle. Mammalian toepads I find difficult in general. If the
> requested specimen is a skin, cutting a piece of tissue along the seam can
> also do the trick. I hope this is of any help to you.
>
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groet /  Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Pepijn Kamminga
>
> Senior Collection Manager Birds & Mammals
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> +31717519338 - -
>
> pepijn.kamminga at naturalis.nl - www.naturalis.nl
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.naturalis.nl__;!!JmPEgBY0HMszNaDT!-MEoFpA5aTMtbFqkZxBhK2QCzCz_yq7CPSVoQwY7JXE1dZe0iCzcOb7empd--KQ$>
>
> Darwinweg 2, 2333 CR Leiden
>
> Postbus 9517, 2300 RA Leiden
>
>
>
>
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.naturalis.nl/lang-leve__;!!JmPEgBY0HMszNaDT!-MEoFpA5aTMtbFqkZxBhK2QCzCz_yq7CPSVoQwY7JXE1dZe0iCzcOb7ePk4zTL8$>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Op di 19 jan. 2021 om 19:27 schreef Cassidy, Kelly Michela <
> cassidyk at wsu.edu>:
>
> I am getting more frequent requests for toe pad samples for DNA
> sequencing, instead of skin clips.
>
>
>
> I find it difficult to take these samples without putting stress on the
> prepared skin. The toe pads are tough and leathery. Scalpels don?t cut into
> them very easily, if at all. The most recent request is for a sample from a
> vole, which has small feet.
>
>
>
> Are there any techniques or recommended tools to help minimize stress and
> possible damage to skins when taking toe pad samples?
>
>
>
> Dr. Kelly M. Cassidy, Curator, Conner Museum
>
> School of Biological Sciences
>
> Box 644236
>
> Washington State University
>
> Pullman, WA 99164-4236
>
> 509-335-3515
>
>
>
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From maru.digi at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 11:17:23 2021
From: maru.digi at gmail.com (Mariana Di Giacomo)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 11:17:23 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
In-Reply-To: <02e701d6ef3b$dc86d0a0$959471e0$@amartconservation.com>
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Hi Lennart,

I have to second Rachael's comments. Make sure you are not leaving any
holes while you are doing the taping and the specimens will be well
protected before going into the freezer. The difference between freezer and
low oxygen in this sense is that in both cases if you see the hole, it's a
problem, but microholes are a problem for low-oxygen but not an issue for
freezing, so heat sealing is not necessary.

Best,
Mariana

*Mariana Di Giacomo, PhD*
*Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum*
Co-chair, Emerging Professionals Committee, SPNHC
Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC
Secretary/Communications APOYOnline



El mi?, 20 ene 2021 a las 9:52, <rachael at amartconservation.com> escribi?:

> Hello Lennart,
>
> Obviously I cannot speak for anyone else, but the majority of colleagues I
> know who freeze specimens as a remedial pest measure wrap them in
> polyethylene plastic that is secured with packing tape rather than sealed
> with a heat sealer.  I know that some people have investigated which tapes
> do well in low-temperatures, but I have found that most good quality
> packing tapes will survive the process and keep the plastic sheeting in
> place.  This is in contrast, of course, to low-oxygen treatments where a
> good seal for the barrier films require a heat sealer of some type.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rachael
>
>
>
>
>
> Rachael Perkins Arenstein
>
> A.M. Art Conservation, LLC
>
> Conservation Treatment, Preservation Consulting & Collection Management
>
> Tel: 917-796-1764 (she/her/hers)
>
> www.amartconservation.com
>
> rachael at amartconservation.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Lennart
> Lennuk
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2021 3:51 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
>
>
>
> Hello!
>
>
>
> What kind of heatsealers you use for sealing stuffed animals before
> sending them to freezers (getting rid of pests for example)?
>
> Does the heatsealer need three-phase electricity?
>
>
>
> Head!
> Lennart
>
>
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From cassidyk at wsu.edu  Wed Jan 20 18:47:05 2021
From: cassidyk at wsu.edu (Cassidy, Kelly Michela)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 23:47:05 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Techniques for taking toe pad samples?
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Something like that might work, if they are sturdy enough.

Dr. Kelly M. Cassidy, Curator, Conner Museum
School of Biological Sciences
Box 644236
Washington State University
Pullman, WA 99164-4236
509-335-3515

From: Pepijn Kamminga <pepijn.kamminga at naturalis.nl>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 8:06 AM
To: Cassidy, Kelly Michela <cassidyk at wsu.edu>
Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Techniques for taking toe pad samples?

Dear dr. Cassidy,

come to think of it, I have a tiny scissors in my toolkit, which has a very small blade (max 1 cm) and is in an angle relative to the handle, that gives you also more freedom of movement and has worked for me a few times with small toepads. It look something like this:
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Met vriendelijke groet /  Kind regards,

Pepijn Kamminga
Senior Collection Manager Birds & Mammals
[https://06ecba7b-a-deac235a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/naturalis.nl/signatures/home/logo-new.png]






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Darwinweg 2, 2333 CR Leiden
Postbus 9517, 2300 RA Leiden

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Op wo 20 jan. 2021 om 16:55 schreef Cassidy, Kelly Michela <cassidyk at wsu.edu<mailto:cassidyk at wsu.edu>>:
Thank you. I generally don?t have issues taking skin clips. It?s the toe pads that are a challenge to sample without putting stress on the study skin. I received another request for toe pads (on kingfishers) this morning. Maybe some sort of tiny nippers would work better than a scalpel?

Dr. Kelly M. Cassidy, Curator, Conner Museum
School of Biological Sciences
Box 644236
Washington State University
Pullman, WA 99164-4236
509-335-3515

From: Pepijn Kamminga <pepijn.kamminga at naturalis.nl<mailto:pepijn.kamminga at naturalis.nl>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:35 AM
To: Cassidy, Kelly Michela <cassidyk at wsu.edu<mailto:cassidyk at wsu.edu>>
Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Techniques for taking toe pad samples?

Dear dr. Cassidy,

Similar requests are made for the bird and mammal collection of Naturalis Biodiversity Center, the Netherlands. Bird skins often have small flaps of skin that can be cut with fresh scalpel blades. For me it helps to apply some counterpressure, but the blade should do the cutting, so I don't apply too much force. As for mammals I prefer to use specimens stored on alcohol, I make a small incision in the ventral side of the skin and take a sample of the breast muscle. Mammalian toepads I find difficult in general. If the requested specimen is a skin, cutting a piece of tissue along the seam can also do the trick. I hope this is of any help to you.

Met vriendelijke groet /  Kind regards,

Pepijn Kamminga
Senior Collection Manager Birds & Mammals
[https://06ecba7b-a-deac235a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/naturalis.nl/signatures/home/logo-new.png]






+31717519338 - -
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Darwinweg 2, 2333 CR Leiden
Postbus 9517, 2300 RA Leiden

[https://06ecba7b-a-deac235a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/naturalis.nl/signatures/home/schildpad.gif]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.naturalis.nl/lang-leve__;!!JmPEgBY0HMszNaDT!-MEoFpA5aTMtbFqkZxBhK2QCzCz_yq7CPSVoQwY7JXE1dZe0iCzcOb7ePk4zTL8$>









Op di 19 jan. 2021 om 19:27 schreef Cassidy, Kelly Michela <cassidyk at wsu.edu<mailto:cassidyk at wsu.edu>>:
I am getting more frequent requests for toe pad samples for DNA sequencing, instead of skin clips.

I find it difficult to take these samples without putting stress on the prepared skin. The toe pads are tough and leathery. Scalpels don?t cut into them very easily, if at all. The most recent request is for a sample from a vole, which has small feet.

Are there any techniques or recommended tools to help minimize stress and possible damage to skins when taking toe pad samples?

Dr. Kelly M. Cassidy, Curator, Conner Museum
School of Biological Sciences
Box 644236
Washington State University
Pullman, WA 99164-4236
509-335-3515

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From Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee  Thu Jan 21 02:45:12 2021
From: Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee (Lennart Lennuk)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 07:45:12 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
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References: <ea5e17c68c8c4389ab7b42070dbe4843@loodusmuuseum.ee>
 <02e701d6ef3b$dc86d0a0$959471e0$@amartconservation.com>
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Message-ID: <cd772ea78eea4687a19201dc29586ed4@loodusmuuseum.ee>

Hi!

Thank you a lot. This has been great help!

I believe I plan also some low-ogygen treatments. So what kind on heat-sealer to use and does it need 3-phase electricity?

Best!
Lennart

From: Mariana Di Giacomo [mailto:maru.digi at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:17 PM
To: rachael at amartconservation.com
Cc: Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>; Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hi Lennart,

I have to second Rachael's comments. Make sure you are not leaving any holes while you are doing the taping and the specimens will be well protected before going into the freezer. The difference between freezer and low oxygen in this sense is that in both cases if you see the hole, it's a problem, but microholes are a problem for low-oxygen but not an issue for freezing, so heat sealing is not necessary.

Best,
Mariana

Mariana Di Giacomo, PhD
Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum
Co-chair, Emerging Professionals Committee, SPNHC
Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC
Secretary/Communications APOYOnline



El mi?, 20 ene 2021 a las 9:52, <rachael at amartconservation.com<mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com>> escribi?:
Hello Lennart,
Obviously I cannot speak for anyone else, but the majority of colleagues I know who freeze specimens as a remedial pest measure wrap them in polyethylene plastic that is secured with packing tape rather than sealed with a heat sealer.  I know that some people have investigated which tapes do well in low-temperatures, but I have found that most good quality packing tapes will survive the process and keep the plastic sheeting in place.  This is in contrast, of course, to low-oxygen treatments where a good seal for the barrier films require a heat sealer of some type.
Sincerely,
Rachael


Rachael Perkins Arenstein
A.M. Art Conservation, LLC
Conservation Treatment, Preservation Consulting & Collection Management
Tel: 917-796-1764 (she/her/hers)
www.amartconservation.com<http://www.amartconservation.com/>
rachael at amartconservation.com<mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com>

From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 3:51 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hello!

What kind of heatsealers you use for sealing stuffed animals before sending them to freezers (getting rid of pests for example)?
Does the heatsealer need three-phase electricity?

Head!
Lennart

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From belmakera at tauex.tau.ac.il  Thu Jan 21 03:24:50 2021
From: belmakera at tauex.tau.ac.il (Amos Belmaker)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 08:24:50 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Scoring Moult during bird skin prep
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Dear all,

I've been wandering what are some of the common practices regarding scoring moult during the preparation of bird specimens. It is possible to be very extensive and score each flight feather individually (as is done in Israeli banding stations) but this is very hard to digitize later. On the other hand, creating a scale would ignore potentially important information.

What are the different strategies you use in this regard?

Stay safe!
Amos

Dr. Amos Belmaker
Collection Manager of Birds, The Steinhardt Museum of Natural History
Tel Aviv University, Israel
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From Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee  Thu Jan 21 03:32:47 2021
From: Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee (Lennart Lennuk)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 08:32:47 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
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In addition ? for freezing I have used PVC electric tape ? stays on the plastic but also comes off without need to brake the blastic bag.

How do your institutions treat herbariums? This far we have but them into cupboard box, one layer polyethylene bag and then freezed -24 one week, then 1-2 days out and freezed again one week at -24 Celsius.

Also I read that the freezing time and temperature needed to kill pests depend on the species. Does anybody have experience with Psocoptera, Corrodentia or Copeognatha?

Best!
Lennart



From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 9:45 AM
To: Mariana Di Giacomo <maru.digi at gmail.com>; rachael at amartconservation.com
Cc: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hi!

Thank you a lot. This has been great help!

I believe I plan also some low-ogygen treatments. So what kind on heat-sealer to use and does it need 3-phase electricity?

Best!
Lennart

From: Mariana Di Giacomo [mailto:maru.digi at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:17 PM
To: rachael at amartconservation.com<mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com>
Cc: Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee<mailto:Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>>; Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hi Lennart,

I have to second Rachael's comments. Make sure you are not leaving any holes while you are doing the taping and the specimens will be well protected before going into the freezer. The difference between freezer and low oxygen in this sense is that in both cases if you see the hole, it's a problem, but microholes are a problem for low-oxygen but not an issue for freezing, so heat sealing is not necessary.

Best,
Mariana

Mariana Di Giacomo, PhD
Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum
Co-chair, Emerging Professionals Committee, SPNHC
Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC
Secretary/Communications APOYOnline



El mi?, 20 ene 2021 a las 9:52, <rachael at amartconservation.com<mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com>> escribi?:
Hello Lennart,
Obviously I cannot speak for anyone else, but the majority of colleagues I know who freeze specimens as a remedial pest measure wrap them in polyethylene plastic that is secured with packing tape rather than sealed with a heat sealer.  I know that some people have investigated which tapes do well in low-temperatures, but I have found that most good quality packing tapes will survive the process and keep the plastic sheeting in place.  This is in contrast, of course, to low-oxygen treatments where a good seal for the barrier films require a heat sealer of some type.
Sincerely,
Rachael


Rachael Perkins Arenstein
A.M. Art Conservation, LLC
Conservation Treatment, Preservation Consulting & Collection Management
Tel: 917-796-1764 (she/her/hers)
www.amartconservation.com<http://www.amartconservation.com/>
rachael at amartconservation.com<mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com>

From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 3:51 AM
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hello!

What kind of heatsealers you use for sealing stuffed animals before sending them to freezers (getting rid of pests for example)?
Does the heatsealer need three-phase electricity?

Head!
Lennart

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From HawksC at si.edu  Thu Jan 21 08:45:11 2021
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] FW:  Identifying bird feathers in an old hat.......
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From: Dove, Carla <DOVEC at si.edu>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 8:43 AM
To: Hawks, Catharine <HawksC at si.edu>
Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] Identifying bird feathers in an old hat.......

Hi Cathy,
   It seems there are two bird species on the hat.  The topmost part of the hat with the smaller chevron shaped pattern on the feathers are Ring-necked Pheasant.  The lower feathers (photo below) are chicken.  Both species are domesticated and legal to use in this manner.  Hope this helps,  Carla



[cid:image001.jpg at 01D6EFD1.690BC270]<https://grpmcollections.org/Detail/objects/4202>

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In case you can help.....

Cathy

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External Email - Exercise Caution
Can anyone identify what bird (or birds) the feathers in this hat most likely came from?

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From AndersonG at CarnegieMNH.Org  Thu Jan 21 08:52:13 2021
From: AndersonG at CarnegieMNH.Org (Anderson, Gretchen)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 13:52:13 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
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To add to what Marianna and Rachael said- put 2 layers of plastic over the specimens, if possible. The plastic is there to 1) eliminate stress from change in Relative humidity and the shock of losing moisture in the specimen &2) prevent condensation after on the specimen.

Gretchen Anderson
Conservator
CMNH

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 21, 2021, at 1:45 AM, Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee> wrote:

?
Hi!

Thank you a lot. This has been great help!

I believe I plan also some low-ogygen treatments. So what kind on heat-sealer to use and does it need 3-phase electricity?

Best!
Lennart

From: Mariana Di Giacomo [mailto:maru.digi at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:17 PM
To: rachael at amartconservation.com
Cc: Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>; Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hi Lennart,

I have to second Rachael's comments. Make sure you are not leaving any holes while you are doing the taping and the specimens will be well protected before going into the freezer. The difference between freezer and low oxygen in this sense is that in both cases if you see the hole, it's a problem, but microholes are a problem for low-oxygen but not an issue for freezing, so heat sealing is not necessary.

Best,
Mariana

Mariana Di Giacomo, PhD
Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum
Co-chair, Emerging Professionals Committee, SPNHC
Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC
Secretary/Communications APOYOnline



El mi?, 20 ene 2021 a las 9:52, <rachael at amartconservation.com<mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com>> escribi?:
Hello Lennart,
Obviously I cannot speak for anyone else, but the majority of colleagues I know who freeze specimens as a remedial pest measure wrap them in polyethylene plastic that is secured with packing tape rather than sealed with a heat sealer.  I know that some people have investigated which tapes do well in low-temperatures, but I have found that most good quality packing tapes will survive the process and keep the plastic sheeting in place.  This is in contrast, of course, to low-oxygen treatments where a good seal for the barrier films require a heat sealer of some type.
Sincerely,
Rachael


Rachael Perkins Arenstein
A.M. Art Conservation, LLC
Conservation Treatment, Preservation Consulting & Collection Management
Tel: 917-796-1764 (she/her/hers)
www.amartconservation.com<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.amartconservation.com%2f&c=E,1,g8GJFg2AoaNyTgAIIVIwMCbhBKPjkCbTt54JPmzrTt4PRqFA4Kn3bbJyp5OGZT9tAqKkQ-gooZ0DnIeAyxqovDhtf1mEPYi4omqlPGlNsw,,&typo=1>
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 3:51 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hello!

What kind of heatsealers you use for sealing stuffed animals before sending them to freezers (getting rid of pests for example)?
Does the heatsealer need three-phase electricity?

Head!
Lennart

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From AndersonG at CarnegieMNH.Org  Thu Jan 21 09:05:40 2021
From: AndersonG at CarnegieMNH.Org (Anderson, Gretchen)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 14:05:40 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
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Hi again Lennart,

We freeze herbarium sheets at -20 C.   Length of time is usually a week or two, just to be sure of the death rate. The sheets are wrapped in two layers of plastic (or two polyethylene trash bags(clear) for the reasons in my last email. We do a single freeze.  A double freeze as you described puts the specimens at greater risk and is no more effective at killing insects. In fact a double freeze can encourage the pest to develop freeze resistance.

Hope this helps.
Gretchen

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 21, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Anderson, Gretchen <AndersonG at carnegiemnh.org> wrote:

? To add to what Marianna and Rachael said- put 2 layers of plastic over the specimens, if possible. The plastic is there to 1) eliminate stress from change in Relative humidity and the shock of losing moisture in the specimen &2) prevent condensation after on the specimen.

Gretchen Anderson
Conservator
CMNH

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 21, 2021, at 1:45 AM, Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee> wrote:

?
Hi!

Thank you a lot. This has been great help!

I believe I plan also some low-ogygen treatments. So what kind on heat-sealer to use and does it need 3-phase electricity?

Best!
Lennart

From: Mariana Di Giacomo [mailto:maru.digi at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:17 PM
To: rachael at amartconservation.com
Cc: Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>; Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hi Lennart,

I have to second Rachael's comments. Make sure you are not leaving any holes while you are doing the taping and the specimens will be well protected before going into the freezer. The difference between freezer and low oxygen in this sense is that in both cases if you see the hole, it's a problem, but microholes are a problem for low-oxygen but not an issue for freezing, so heat sealing is not necessary.

Best,
Mariana

Mariana Di Giacomo, PhD
Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum
Co-chair, Emerging Professionals Committee, SPNHC
Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC
Secretary/Communications APOYOnline



El mi?, 20 ene 2021 a las 9:52, <rachael at amartconservation.com<mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com>> escribi?:
Hello Lennart,
Obviously I cannot speak for anyone else, but the majority of colleagues I know who freeze specimens as a remedial pest measure wrap them in polyethylene plastic that is secured with packing tape rather than sealed with a heat sealer.  I know that some people have investigated which tapes do well in low-temperatures, but I have found that most good quality packing tapes will survive the process and keep the plastic sheeting in place.  This is in contrast, of course, to low-oxygen treatments where a good seal for the barrier films require a heat sealer of some type.
Sincerely,
Rachael


Rachael Perkins Arenstein
A.M. Art Conservation, LLC
Conservation Treatment, Preservation Consulting & Collection Management
Tel: 917-796-1764 (she/her/hers)
www.amartconservation.com<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.amartconservation.com%2f&c=E,1,g8GJFg2AoaNyTgAIIVIwMCbhBKPjkCbTt54JPmzrTt4PRqFA4Kn3bbJyp5OGZT9tAqKkQ-gooZ0DnIeAyxqovDhtf1mEPYi4omqlPGlNsw,,&typo=1>
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 3:51 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hello!

What kind of heatsealers you use for sealing stuffed animals before sending them to freezers (getting rid of pests for example)?
Does the heatsealer need three-phase electricity?

Head!
Lennart

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From maru.digi at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 09:14:24 2021
From: maru.digi at gmail.com (Mariana Di Giacomo)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 09:14:24 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
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Adding to what Gretchen was saying, I'd recommend you check this website:
https://museumpests.net/ for many of these questions, and to also join the
list serve to get better answers about specific pest issues.

Now, about the heat sealer, we use this one to seal the Marvelseal, if I'm
not mistaken:
https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-1069/Poly-Bag-Sealers/Crimper-Hand-Sealer-6?pricode=WA9053&gadtype=pla&id=H-1069&gclid=CjwKCAiA6aSABhApEiwA6Cbm_15tkrJRC4tpC_8FQJyNKCq8WOryVBpaUpqdfOFvKDVPaWcLOYecOhoCsT0QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds


Best,
Mariana

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Co-chair, Emerging Professionals Committee, SPNHC
Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC
Secretary/Communications APOYOnline



El jue, 21 ene 2021 a las 9:05, Anderson, Gretchen (<
AndersonG at carnegiemnh.org>) escribi?:

> Hi again Lennart,
>
> We freeze herbarium sheets at -20 C.   Length of time is usually a week or
> two, just to be sure of the death rate. The sheets are wrapped in two
> layers of plastic (or two polyethylene trash bags(clear) for the reasons in
> my last email. We do a single freeze.  A double freeze as you described
> puts the specimens at greater risk and is no more effective at killing
> insects. In fact a double freeze can encourage the pest to develop freeze
> resistance.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Gretchen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 21, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Anderson, Gretchen <AndersonG at carnegiemnh.org>
> wrote:
>
> ? To add to what Marianna and Rachael said- put 2 layers of plastic over
> the specimens, if possible. The plastic is there to 1) eliminate stress
> from change in Relative humidity and the shock of losing moisture in the
> specimen &2) prevent condensation after on the specimen.
>
> Gretchen Anderson
> Conservator
> CMNH
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 21, 2021, at 1:45 AM, Lennart Lennuk <
> Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Hi!
>
>
>
> Thank you a lot. This has been great help!
>
>
>
> I believe I plan also some low-ogygen treatments. So what kind on
> heat-sealer to use and does it need 3-phase electricity?
>
>
> Best!
> Lennart
>
>
>
> *From:* Mariana Di Giacomo [mailto:maru.digi at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:17 PM
> *To:* rachael at amartconservation.com
> *Cc:* Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>;
> Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
>
>
>
> Hi Lennart,
>
>
>
> I have to second Rachael's comments. Make sure you are not leaving any
> holes while you are doing the taping and the specimens will be well
> protected before going into the freezer. The difference between freezer and
> low oxygen in this sense is that in both cases if you see the hole, it's a
> problem, but microholes are a problem for low-oxygen but not an issue for
> freezing, so heat sealing is not necessary.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Mariana
>
>
> *Mariana Di Giacomo, PhD*
>
> *Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum*
>
> Co-chair, Emerging Professionals Committee, SPNHC
>
> Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC
>
> Secretary/Communications APOYOnline
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> El mi?, 20 ene 2021 a las 9:52, <rachael at amartconservation.com> escribi?:
>
> Hello Lennart,
>
> Obviously I cannot speak for anyone else, but the majority of colleagues I
> know who freeze specimens as a remedial pest measure wrap them in
> polyethylene plastic that is secured with packing tape rather than sealed
> with a heat sealer.  I know that some people have investigated which tapes
> do well in low-temperatures, but I have found that most good quality
> packing tapes will survive the process and keep the plastic sheeting in
> place.  This is in contrast, of course, to low-oxygen treatments where a
> good seal for the barrier films require a heat sealer of some type.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rachael
>
>
>
>
>
> Rachael Perkins Arenstein
>
> A.M. Art Conservation, LLC
>
> Conservation Treatment, Preservation Consulting & Collection Management
>
> Tel: 917-796-1764 (she/her/hers)
>
> www.amartconservation.com
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.amartconservation.com%2f&c=E,1,g8GJFg2AoaNyTgAIIVIwMCbhBKPjkCbTt54JPmzrTt4PRqFA4Kn3bbJyp5OGZT9tAqKkQ-gooZ0DnIeAyxqovDhtf1mEPYi4omqlPGlNsw,,&typo=1>
>
> rachael at amartconservation.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Lennart
> Lennuk
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2021 3:51 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
>
>
>
> Hello!
>
>
>
> What kind of heatsealers you use for sealing stuffed animals before
> sending them to freezers (getting rid of pests for example)?
>
> Does the heatsealer need three-phase electricity?
>
>
>
> Head!
> Lennart
>
>
>
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From: Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee (Lennart Lennuk)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 14:33:46 +0000
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Thank you Gretchen and Mariana.
Mariana ? do you also use it to seal bigger plastic bags?
Or is better to usa a bigger heatsealer for bigger bags?

Best!
Lennart

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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Adding to what Gretchen was saying, I'd recommend you check this website: https://museumpests.net/ for many of these questions, and to also join the list serve to get better answers about specific pest issues.

Now, about the heat sealer, we use this one to seal the Marvelseal, if I'm not mistaken: https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-1069/Poly-Bag-Sealers/Crimper-Hand-Sealer-6?pricode=WA9053&gadtype=pla&id=H-1069&gclid=CjwKCAiA6aSABhApEiwA6Cbm_15tkrJRC4tpC_8FQJyNKCq8WOryVBpaUpqdfOFvKDVPaWcLOYecOhoCsT0QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Best,
Mariana

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El jue, 21 ene 2021 a las 9:05, Anderson, Gretchen (<AndersonG at carnegiemnh.org<mailto:AndersonG at carnegiemnh.org>>) escribi?:
Hi again Lennart,

We freeze herbarium sheets at -20 C.   Length of time is usually a week or two, just to be sure of the death rate. The sheets are wrapped in two layers of plastic (or two polyethylene trash bags(clear) for the reasons in my last email. We do a single freeze.  A double freeze as you described puts the specimens at greater risk and is no more effective at killing insects. In fact a double freeze can encourage the pest to develop freeze resistance.

Hope this helps.
Gretchen
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On Jan 21, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Anderson, Gretchen <AndersonG at carnegiemnh.org<mailto:AndersonG at carnegiemnh.org>> wrote:
? To add to what Marianna and Rachael said- put 2 layers of plastic over the specimens, if possible. The plastic is there to 1) eliminate stress from change in Relative humidity and the shock of losing moisture in the specimen &2) prevent condensation after on the specimen.

Gretchen Anderson
Conservator
CMNH
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On Jan 21, 2021, at 1:45 AM, Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee<mailto:Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>> wrote:
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Hi!

Thank you a lot. This has been great help!

I believe I plan also some low-ogygen treatments. So what kind on heat-sealer to use and does it need 3-phase electricity?

Best!
Lennart

From: Mariana Di Giacomo [mailto:maru.digi at gmail.com<mailto:maru.digi at gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hi Lennart,

I have to second Rachael's comments. Make sure you are not leaving any holes while you are doing the taping and the specimens will be well protected before going into the freezer. The difference between freezer and low oxygen in this sense is that in both cases if you see the hole, it's a problem, but microholes are a problem for low-oxygen but not an issue for freezing, so heat sealing is not necessary.

Best,
Mariana

Mariana Di Giacomo, PhD
Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum
Co-chair, Emerging Professionals Committee, SPNHC
Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC
Secretary/Communications APOYOnline



El mi?, 20 ene 2021 a las 9:52, <rachael at amartconservation.com<mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com>> escribi?:
Hello Lennart,
Obviously I cannot speak for anyone else, but the majority of colleagues I know who freeze specimens as a remedial pest measure wrap them in polyethylene plastic that is secured with packing tape rather than sealed with a heat sealer.  I know that some people have investigated which tapes do well in low-temperatures, but I have found that most good quality packing tapes will survive the process and keep the plastic sheeting in place.  This is in contrast, of course, to low-oxygen treatments where a good seal for the barrier films require a heat sealer of some type.
Sincerely,
Rachael


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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hello!

What kind of heatsealers you use for sealing stuffed animals before sending them to freezers (getting rid of pests for example)?
Does the heatsealer need three-phase electricity?

Head!
Lennart

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From sarah.taylor at uconn.edu  Thu Jan 21 09:40:32 2021
From: sarah.taylor at uconn.edu (Taylor, Sarah)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 14:40:32 +0000
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Hi Lennart,

At our herbarium, we follow the general protocol you outlined. The bags we use most frequently are large zip-top polyethylene bags, so we don't need to use any tape. We don't always do a double freeze, depending on circumstances. Our freezer is set to -20C.

We have a set of enormous bags without zip tops that we use for large herbarium boxes. When I arrived, the convention was to seal them shut with tape, but I got frustrated at how the tape wrecked the bags. Now I twist the bag opening very tightly and cinch hard with string, and I'm much happier.

Cheers,
Sarah


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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
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To: Mariana Di Giacomo <maru.digi at gmail.com>; rachael at amartconservation.com
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In addition - for freezing I have used PVC electric tape - stays on the plastic but also comes off without need to brake the blastic bag.

How do your institutions treat herbariums? This far we have but them into cupboard box, one layer polyethylene bag and then freezed -24 one week, then 1-2 days out and freezed again one week at -24 Celsius.

Also I read that the freezing time and temperature needed to kill pests depend on the species. Does anybody have experience with Psocoptera, Corrodentia or Copeognatha?

Best!
Lennart



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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hi!

Thank you a lot. This has been great help!

I believe I plan also some low-ogygen treatments. So what kind on heat-sealer to use and does it need 3-phase electricity?

Best!
Lennart

From: Mariana Di Giacomo [mailto:maru.digi at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:17 PM
To: rachael at amartconservation.com<mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com>
Cc: Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee<mailto:Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>>; Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hi Lennart,

I have to second Rachael's comments. Make sure you are not leaving any holes while you are doing the taping and the specimens will be well protected before going into the freezer. The difference between freezer and low oxygen in this sense is that in both cases if you see the hole, it's a problem, but microholes are a problem for low-oxygen but not an issue for freezing, so heat sealing is not necessary.

Best,
Mariana

Mariana Di Giacomo, PhD
Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum
Co-chair, Emerging Professionals Committee, SPNHC
Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC
Secretary/Communications APOYOnline



El mi?, 20 ene 2021 a las 9:52, <rachael at amartconservation.com<mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com>> escribi?:
Hello Lennart,
Obviously I cannot speak for anyone else, but the majority of colleagues I know who freeze specimens as a remedial pest measure wrap them in polyethylene plastic that is secured with packing tape rather than sealed with a heat sealer.  I know that some people have investigated which tapes do well in low-temperatures, but I have found that most good quality packing tapes will survive the process and keep the plastic sheeting in place.  This is in contrast, of course, to low-oxygen treatments where a good seal for the barrier films require a heat sealer of some type.
Sincerely,
Rachael


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Conservation Treatment, Preservation Consulting & Collection Management
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hello!

What kind of heatsealers you use for sealing stuffed animals before sending them to freezers (getting rid of pests for example)?
Does the heatsealer need three-phase electricity?

Head!
Lennart

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From: rachael at amartconservation.com (rachael at amartconservation.com)
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Lennart,

For large barrier film enclosures a rotary heat sealer like this is an expensive but valuable tool - https://www.staplerwarehouse.com/product/6819/packrite-hrs-hand-rotary-sealer  that will save your hand from the manual crimper.  But a regular house iron will also do in many circumstances.

 

 

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Thank you Gretchen and Mariana.

Mariana ? do you also use it to seal bigger plastic bags?

Or is better to usa a bigger heatsealer for bigger bags?

 

Best!
Lennart

 

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Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 4:14 PM
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Adding to what Gretchen was saying, I'd recommend you check this website: https://museumpests.net/ for many of these questions, and to also join the list serve to get better answers about specific pest issues.

 

Now, about the heat sealer, we use this one to seal the Marvelseal, if I'm not mistaken: https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-1069/Poly-Bag-Sealers/Crimper-Hand-Sealer-6?pricode=WA9053 <https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-1069/Poly-Bag-Sealers/Crimper-Hand-Sealer-6?pricode=WA9053&gadtype=pla&id=H-1069&gclid=CjwKCAiA6aSABhApEiwA6Cbm_15tkrJRC4tpC_8FQJyNKCq8WOryVBpaUpqdfOFvKDVPaWcLOYecOhoCsT0QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds> &gadtype=pla&id=H-1069&gclid=CjwKCAiA6aSABhApEiwA6Cbm_15tkrJRC4tpC_8FQJyNKCq8WOryVBpaUpqdfOFvKDVPaWcLOYecOhoCsT0QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds 

 

Best,

Mariana




Mariana Di Giacomo, PhD

Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum

Co-chair, Emerging Professionals Committee, SPNHC

Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC 

Secretary/Communications APOYOnline

 

 

 

El jue, 21 ene 2021 a las 9:05, Anderson, Gretchen (<AndersonG at carnegiemnh.org <mailto:AndersonG at carnegiemnh.org> >) escribi?:

Hi again Lennart, 

 

We freeze herbarium sheets at -20 C.   Length of time is usually a week or two, just to be sure of the death rate. The sheets are wrapped in two layers of plastic (or two polyethylene trash bags(clear) for the reasons in my last email. We do a single freeze.  A double freeze as you described puts the specimens at greater risk and is no more effective at killing insects. In fact a double freeze can encourage the pest to develop freeze resistance.   

 

Hope this helps.  

Gretchen

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jan 21, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Anderson, Gretchen <AndersonG at carnegiemnh.org <mailto:AndersonG at carnegiemnh.org> > wrote:

? To add to what Marianna and Rachael said- put 2 layers of plastic over the specimens, if possible. The plastic is there to 1) eliminate stress from change in Relative humidity and the shock of losing moisture in the specimen &2) prevent condensation after on the specimen.  

 

Gretchen Anderson

Conservator

CMNH

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jan 21, 2021, at 1:45 AM, Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee <mailto:Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee> > wrote:

? 

Hi!

 

Thank you a lot. This has been great help!

 

I believe I plan also some low-ogygen treatments. So what kind on heat-sealer to use and does it need 3-phase electricity?


Best!
Lennart

 

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Hi Lennart,

 

I have to second Rachael's comments. Make sure you are not leaving any holes while you are doing the taping and the specimens will be well protected before going into the freezer. The difference between freezer and low oxygen in this sense is that in both cases if you see the hole, it's a problem, but microholes are a problem for low-oxygen but not an issue for freezing, so heat sealing is not necessary.

 

Best,

Mariana




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El mi?, 20 ene 2021 a las 9:52, <rachael at amartconservation.com <mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com> > escribi?:

Hello Lennart,

Obviously I cannot speak for anyone else, but the majority of colleagues I know who freeze specimens as a remedial pest measure wrap them in polyethylene plastic that is secured with packing tape rather than sealed with a heat sealer.  I know that some people have investigated which tapes do well in low-temperatures, but I have found that most good quality packing tapes will survive the process and keep the plastic sheeting in place.  This is in contrast, of course, to low-oxygen treatments where a good seal for the barrier films require a heat sealer of some type.

Sincerely,

Rachael

 

 

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Hello!

 

What kind of heatsealers you use for sealing stuffed animals before sending them to freezers (getting rid of pests for example)?

Does the heatsealer need three-phase electricity?

 

Head!
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From: e.cesar at nhm.ac.uk (Edgley Cesar)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 14:47:10 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
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A good alternative to tape are plastic sealing clips. There are some larger versions.
We use here at the BM.

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: 21 January 2021 14:34
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Thank you Gretchen and Mariana.
Mariana ? do you also use it to seal bigger plastic bags?
Or is better to usa a bigger heatsealer for bigger bags?

Best!
Lennart

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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Adding to what Gretchen was saying, I'd recommend you check this website: https://museumpests.net/<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmuseumpests.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7Ce.cesar%40nhm.ac.uk%7C92e85d30a5b74b4845d508d8be199ee4%7C73a29c014e78437fa0d4c8553e1960c1%7C1%7C0%7C637468364543968798%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=c2TA4LmY2HlLmIIvYuUqV%2BUBCWCV%2FA75YH5OXDA%2FOaI%3D&reserved=0> for many of these questions, and to also join the list serve to get better answers about specific pest issues.

Now, about the heat sealer, we use this one to seal the Marvelseal, if I'm not mistaken: https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-1069/Poly-Bag-Sealers/Crimper-Hand-Sealer-6?pricode=WA9053&gadtype=pla&id=H-1069&gclid=CjwKCAiA6aSABhApEiwA6Cbm_15tkrJRC4tpC_8FQJyNKCq8WOryVBpaUpqdfOFvKDVPaWcLOYecOhoCsT0QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.uline.com%2FProduct%2FDetail%2FH-1069%2FPoly-Bag-Sealers%2FCrimper-Hand-Sealer-6%3Fpricode%3DWA9053%26gadtype%3Dpla%26id%3DH-1069%26gclid%3DCjwKCAiA6aSABhApEiwA6Cbm_15tkrJRC4tpC_8FQJyNKCq8WOryVBpaUpqdfOFvKDVPaWcLOYecOhoCsT0QAvD_BwE%26gclsrc%3Daw.ds&data=04%7C01%7Ce.cesar%40nhm.ac.uk%7C92e85d30a5b74b4845d508d8be199ee4%7C73a29c014e78437fa0d4c8553e1960c1%7C1%7C0%7C637468364543978746%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=N4j15aQYNNn8EWeTPez64W9oOPaCSmnG4DUSFJFtDAI%3D&reserved=0>

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Mariana

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El jue, 21 ene 2021 a las 9:05, Anderson, Gretchen (<AndersonG at carnegiemnh.org<mailto:AndersonG at carnegiemnh.org>>) escribi?:
Hi again Lennart,

We freeze herbarium sheets at -20 C.   Length of time is usually a week or two, just to be sure of the death rate. The sheets are wrapped in two layers of plastic (or two polyethylene trash bags(clear) for the reasons in my last email. We do a single freeze.  A double freeze as you described puts the specimens at greater risk and is no more effective at killing insects. In fact a double freeze can encourage the pest to develop freeze resistance.

Hope this helps.
Gretchen
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On Jan 21, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Anderson, Gretchen <AndersonG at carnegiemnh.org<mailto:AndersonG at carnegiemnh.org>> wrote:
? To add to what Marianna and Rachael said- put 2 layers of plastic over the specimens, if possible. The plastic is there to 1) eliminate stress from change in Relative humidity and the shock of losing moisture in the specimen &2) prevent condensation after on the specimen.

Gretchen Anderson
Conservator
CMNH
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Hi!

Thank you a lot. This has been great help!

I believe I plan also some low-ogygen treatments. So what kind on heat-sealer to use and does it need 3-phase electricity?

Best!
Lennart

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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hi Lennart,

I have to second Rachael's comments. Make sure you are not leaving any holes while you are doing the taping and the specimens will be well protected before going into the freezer. The difference between freezer and low oxygen in this sense is that in both cases if you see the hole, it's a problem, but microholes are a problem for low-oxygen but not an issue for freezing, so heat sealing is not necessary.

Best,
Mariana

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Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum
Co-chair, Emerging Professionals Committee, SPNHC
Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC
Secretary/Communications APOYOnline



El mi?, 20 ene 2021 a las 9:52, <rachael at amartconservation.com<mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com>> escribi?:
Hello Lennart,
Obviously I cannot speak for anyone else, but the majority of colleagues I know who freeze specimens as a remedial pest measure wrap them in polyethylene plastic that is secured with packing tape rather than sealed with a heat sealer.  I know that some people have investigated which tapes do well in low-temperatures, but I have found that most good quality packing tapes will survive the process and keep the plastic sheeting in place.  This is in contrast, of course, to low-oxygen treatments where a good seal for the barrier films require a heat sealer of some type.
Sincerely,
Rachael


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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hello!

What kind of heatsealers you use for sealing stuffed animals before sending them to freezers (getting rid of pests for example)?
Does the heatsealer need three-phase electricity?

Head!
Lennart

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From Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee  Thu Jan 21 09:53:52 2021
From: Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee (Lennart Lennuk)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 14:53:52 +0000
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Thank you!

So, would you say that -30C is too much? Is there a reason why to use -20C?

Best!
Lennart

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Hi Lennart,

At our herbarium, we follow the general protocol you outlined. The bags we use most frequently are large zip-top polyethylene bags, so we don?t need to use any tape. We don?t always do a double freeze, depending on circumstances. Our freezer is set to -20C.

We have a set of enormous bags without zip tops that we use for large herbarium boxes. When I arrived, the convention was to seal them shut with tape, but I got frustrated at how the tape wrecked the bags. Now I twist the bag opening very tightly and cinch hard with string, and I?m much happier.

Cheers,
Sarah


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In addition ? for freezing I have used PVC electric tape ? stays on the plastic but also comes off without need to brake the blastic bag.

How do your institutions treat herbariums? This far we have but them into cupboard box, one layer polyethylene bag and then freezed -24 one week, then 1-2 days out and freezed again one week at -24 Celsius.

Also I read that the freezing time and temperature needed to kill pests depend on the species. Does anybody have experience with Psocoptera, Corrodentia or Copeognatha?

Best!
Lennart



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To: Mariana Di Giacomo <maru.digi at gmail.com<mailto:maru.digi at gmail.com>>; rachael at amartconservation.com<mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com>
Cc: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hi!

Thank you a lot. This has been great help!

I believe I plan also some low-ogygen treatments. So what kind on heat-sealer to use and does it need 3-phase electricity?

Best!
Lennart

From: Mariana Di Giacomo [mailto:maru.digi at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:17 PM
To: rachael at amartconservation.com<mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com>
Cc: Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee<mailto:Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>>; Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hi Lennart,

I have to second Rachael's comments. Make sure you are not leaving any holes while you are doing the taping and the specimens will be well protected before going into the freezer. The difference between freezer and low oxygen in this sense is that in both cases if you see the hole, it's a problem, but microholes are a problem for low-oxygen but not an issue for freezing, so heat sealing is not necessary.

Best,
Mariana

Mariana Di Giacomo, PhD
Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum
Co-chair, Emerging Professionals Committee, SPNHC
Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC
Secretary/Communications APOYOnline



El mi?, 20 ene 2021 a las 9:52, <rachael at amartconservation.com<mailto:rachael at amartconservation.com>> escribi?:
Hello Lennart,
Obviously I cannot speak for anyone else, but the majority of colleagues I know who freeze specimens as a remedial pest measure wrap them in polyethylene plastic that is secured with packing tape rather than sealed with a heat sealer.  I know that some people have investigated which tapes do well in low-temperatures, but I have found that most good quality packing tapes will survive the process and keep the plastic sheeting in place.  This is in contrast, of course, to low-oxygen treatments where a good seal for the barrier films require a heat sealer of some type.
Sincerely,
Rachael


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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 3:51 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer

Hello!

What kind of heatsealers you use for sealing stuffed animals before sending them to freezers (getting rid of pests for example)?
Does the heatsealer need three-phase electricity?

Head!
Lennart

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 16:09:12 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Consultation on Converging Digital and Extended
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Dear all,

Over the past year several exciting conversations about the possibilities of digital representations of the billions of specimens currently held in the world?s natural history collections. Two concepts?the Digital Specimen<https://dissco.tech/2020/03/31/what-is-a-digital-specimen/> proposed by the Distributed System of Scientific Collections<https://www.dissco.eu/> (DiSSCo) in Europe and the Extended Specimen<https://www.idigbio.org/sites/default/files/sites/default/files/BCoN/Extending-Biodiversity-Collections-Full-Report%282%29.pdf> emerging from the Biological Collections Network<https://bcon.aibs.org/> (BCoN) in the United States?are now aligning towards a shared vision that connects all information related to a specimen, creating in effect ?digital twins? for the materials held in scientific collections.

Plans for the alliance <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allianceforbio.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C251ac4fbf1e94c6d60d908d8be228dcc%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468402904646152%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3dLwhI%2BXQ93%2FyrhWjARxMOBv%2FZt7nroQCX5pNYfrKBE%3D&reserved=0> consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allianceforbio.org%2Fpost%2Fconverging-digital-and-extended-specimens-towards-a-global-specification-for-data-integration&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C251ac4fbf1e94c6d60d908d8be228dcc%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468402904646152%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Tljmz5WU3RkDkrfLRxrBjNxVSp8B6O%2BPE4iT%2BLFAVuc%3D&reserved=0> are progressing well.

Beginning in February, the consultation<http://bit.ly/esdsconsult> will seek to engage the wider community on a handful of topics that have technical, financial, social, governance and professional implications that require broader discussion and consensus. The consultation aims to expand participation in the process, build support for further collaboration, identify key use cases, and develop an initial roadmap for community adoption and implementation.

GBIF, DiSCCo, iDigBio, ALA, and the Biodiversity Collections Network (BCoN), among others, invite you to register for one of the two virtual opening sessions that will be held on February 16 by following the links below and then to become involved in the Discourse consultation discussion process.

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The organizers are excited by the large attendance at recent related events and expect a thoughtful and robust consultation.

Thanks

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From gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il  Thu Jan 21 11:23:26 2021
From: gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il (Gali Beiner)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 18:23:26 +0200
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
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Hi,

Just adfing my two cents: We use a foot pedal heat sealer so that making
large bags for oddly-shaped specimens is also possible.

As for insect mortality rates, the big deal is to shock-freeze at once,
i.e. put the objects in their bags into a working freezer which is
immediately closed. This should prevent any pests from developing
cold-resistance. If the procedure is properly applied, any survivors are
likely to be due either to not low enough temperatures or an extremely
resistant species. *Most* species shouldn't survive minus 28 degrees or
lower. There are mortality rate publications. Double freezing is intended
to catch new hatchlings from eggs, rather than kill any hatched larvae or
adults from the first freeze. The two-week interval in between the fist and
second freeze is supposed to alliw for hatching, so if this procedure is
followed specimens should not be taken out of their sealed bags.

Best wishes to all,

Gali

?????? ??? ??, 21 ????? 2021, 16:54, ??? Lennart Lennuk ?<
Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>:

> Thank you!
>
>
>
> So, would you say that -30C is too much? Is there a reason why to use -20C?
>
>
>
> Best!
> Lennart
>
>
>
> *From:* Taylor, Sarah [mailto:sarah.taylor at uconn.edu]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2021 4:41 PM
> *To:* Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>
> *Cc:* Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* RE: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
>
>
>
> Hi Lennart,
>
>
>
> At our herbarium, we follow the general protocol you outlined. The bags we
> use most frequently are large zip-top polyethylene bags, so we don?t need
> to use any tape. We don?t always do a double freeze, depending on
> circumstances. Our freezer is set to -20C.
>
>
>
> We have a set of enormous bags without zip tops that we use for large
> herbarium boxes. When I arrived, the convention was to seal them shut with
> tape, but I got frustrated at how the tape wrecked the bags. Now I twist
> the bag opening very tightly and cinch hard with string, and I?m much
> happier.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Sarah Taylor, PhD
>
>
> Collections Manager, CONN
>
> George Safford Torrey Herbarium
> Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
> *University of Connecticut*
> 75 North Eagleville Road, Unit 3043
> Storrs, Connecticut 06269-3043
> U.S.A.
>
> P: 860.486.1889
> F: 860.486.4320
> http://bgbaseserver.eeb.uconn.edu/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Lennart
> Lennuk
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2021 3:33 AM
> *To:* Mariana Di Giacomo <maru.digi at gmail.com>;
> rachael at amartconservation.com
> *Cc:* Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
>
>
>
> *Message sent from a system outside of UConn.*
>
>
>
> In addition ? for freezing I have used PVC electric tape ? stays on the
> plastic but also comes off without need to brake the blastic bag.
>
>
>
> How do your institutions treat herbariums? This far we have but them into
> cupboard box, one layer polyethylene bag and then freezed -24 one week,
> then 1-2 days out and freezed again one week at -24 Celsius.
>
>
>
> Also I read that the freezing time and temperature needed to kill pests
> depend on the species. Does anybody have experience with *Psocoptera*,
> *Corrodentia* or *Copeognatha*?
>
>
>
> Best!
> Lennart
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu
> <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Lennart Lennuk
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2021 9:45 AM
> *To:* Mariana Di Giacomo <maru.digi at gmail.com>;
> rachael at amartconservation.com
> *Cc:* Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
>
>
>
> Hi!
>
>
>
> Thank you a lot. This has been great help!
>
>
>
> I believe I plan also some low-ogygen treatments. So what kind on
> heat-sealer to use and does it need 3-phase electricity?
>
>
> Best!
> Lennart
>
>
>
> *From:* Mariana Di Giacomo [mailto:maru.digi at gmail.com
> <maru.digi at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:17 PM
> *To:* rachael at amartconservation.com
> *Cc:* Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>;
> Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
>
>
>
> Hi Lennart,
>
>
>
> I have to second Rachael's comments. Make sure you are not leaving any
> holes while you are doing the taping and the specimens will be well
> protected before going into the freezer. The difference between freezer and
> low oxygen in this sense is that in both cases if you see the hole, it's a
> problem, but microholes are a problem for low-oxygen but not an issue for
> freezing, so heat sealing is not necessary.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Mariana
>
>
> *Mariana Di Giacomo, PhD*
>
> *Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum*
>
> Co-chair, Emerging Professionals Committee, SPNHC
>
> Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC
>
> Secretary/Communications APOYOnline
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> El mi?, 20 ene 2021 a las 9:52, <rachael at amartconservation.com> escribi?:
>
> Hello Lennart,
>
> Obviously I cannot speak for anyone else, but the majority of colleagues I
> know who freeze specimens as a remedial pest measure wrap them in
> polyethylene plastic that is secured with packing tape rather than sealed
> with a heat sealer.  I know that some people have investigated which tapes
> do well in low-temperatures, but I have found that most good quality
> packing tapes will survive the process and keep the plastic sheeting in
> place.  This is in contrast, of course, to low-oxygen treatments where a
> good seal for the barrier films require a heat sealer of some type.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rachael
>
>
>
>
>
> Rachael Perkins Arenstein
>
> A.M. Art Conservation, LLC
>
> Conservation Treatment, Preservation Consulting & Collection Management
>
> Tel: 917-796-1764 (she/her/hers)
>
> www.amartconservation.com
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amartconservation.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Csarah.taylor%40uconn.edu%7C8ceb31743b4141b8a38008d8bde72841%7C17f1a87e2a254eaab9df9d439034b080%7C0%7C0%7C637468147833837751%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=C6swC6D6i4TlnDU0HL0OGRmJ6a%2BQn1ESzW6RD%2FgyMOI%3D&reserved=0>
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> rachael at amartconservation.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Lennart
> Lennuk
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2021 3:51 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] Heatsealer
>
>
>
> Hello!
>
>
>
> What kind of heatsealers you use for sealing stuffed animals before
> sending them to freezers (getting rid of pests for example)?
>
> Does the heatsealer need three-phase electricity?
>
>
>
> Head!
> Lennart
>
>
>
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From abentley at ku.edu  Thu Jan 21 11:58:54 2021
From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 16:58:54 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Consultation on Converging Digital and Extended
 Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration
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Hi all

GBIF has noted an error with the timing on the link to the second session.  If you have registered already, you should receive an email directly from GBIF with amended timing information to correct the error.  If you have not registered as yet, please hold off for a day or two until they can resolve the error.  The link for Session 1 is fine.

Thanks

Andy

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University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Andrew Bentley <abentley at ku.edu>
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 10:09 AM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration

Dear all,

Over the past year several exciting conversations about the possibilities of digital representations of the billions of specimens currently held in the world?s natural history collections. Two concepts?the Digital Specimen<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdissco.tech%2F2020%2F03%2F31%2Fwhat-is-a-digital-specimen%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C1e81c01c0d4b4ae5a27a08d8be26e850%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468421604844082%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=5l8PEefk8vp%2BB7gw%2FGwecMkHZpu7xsKryKLt06xpwog%3D&reserved=0> proposed by the Distributed System of Scientific Collections<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dissco.eu%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C1e81c01c0d4b4ae5a27a08d8be26e850%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468421604844082%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=vl%2FQczS2jsTEGUPlFV%2BM%2Fd2MIZr1idc7nw1yJozuD5U%3D&reserved=0> (DiSSCo) in Europe and the Extended Specimen<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.idigbio.org%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FBCoN%2FExtending-Biodiversity-Collections-Full-Report%25282%2529.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C1e81c01c0d4b4ae5a27a08d8be26e850%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468421604854083%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=G6A616TrcGiG61BoCYpCQ4%2FI3rLnPk2M%2FFVGplsgSC8%3D&reserved=0> emerging from the Biological Collections Network<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbcon.aibs.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C1e81c01c0d4b4ae5a27a08d8be26e850%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468421604854083%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=kQztAFlavDwb9Vkz2n8gXgLTwNCdQish4aiUBtF%2BrR8%3D&reserved=0> (BCoN) in the United States?are now aligning towards a shared vision that connects all information related to a specimen, creating in effect ?digital twins? for the materials held in scientific collections.

Plans for the alliance <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allianceforbio.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C1e81c01c0d4b4ae5a27a08d8be26e850%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468421604864076%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=sY1bng0TbFIaAw73O%2BBz8KSd07s7Xaovd7CO%2F7bvYwo%3D&reserved=0> consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allianceforbio.org%2Fpost%2Fconverging-digital-and-extended-specimens-towards-a-global-specification-for-data-integration&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C1e81c01c0d4b4ae5a27a08d8be26e850%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468421604864076%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Qx01hS%2FyOfvxyhGuEtWifZ61GV0jvboXr4LD0e1MMyU%3D&reserved=0> are progressing well.

Beginning in February, the consultation<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Fesdsconsult&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C1e81c01c0d4b4ae5a27a08d8be26e850%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468421604874068%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=9AnS6QcD4tC2lYk2u6fqelBuZb02ikib5igj239PaJw%3D&reserved=0> will seek to engage the wider community on a handful of topics that have technical, financial, social, governance and professional implications that require broader discussion and consensus. The consultation aims to expand participation in the process, build support for further collaboration, identify key use cases, and develop an initial roadmap for community adoption and implementation.

GBIF, DiSCCo, iDigBio, ALA, and the Biodiversity Collections Network (BCoN), among others, invite you to register for one of the two virtual opening sessions that will be held on February 16 by following the links below and then to become involved in the Discourse consultation discussion process.

Session 1 6:00 UTC<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fus02web.zoom.us%2Fmeeting%2Fregister%2FtZcodemvrD0vHdXJqojDgS3KACD8bbXorB-D&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C1e81c01c0d4b4ae5a27a08d8be26e850%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468421604874068%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=SD9Aju1zB0ruvXz0WycQUf%2FEm6kDqp45dHsXBpxGMnw%3D&reserved=0>
Session 2 15:00 UTC<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fus02web.zoom.us%2Fmeeting%2Fregister%2FtZwkf-2rrTkjE9zZIWu18G3DgDUHAGSyELz1&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C1e81c01c0d4b4ae5a27a08d8be26e850%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468421604884063%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=CXXGQkyRxmNwvXRpNCce5oQNUd%2BMOehAwDvXPuxbbzE%3D&reserved=0>

The GBIF community forum landing page for the consultation<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gbif.org%2Ft%2Fabout-the-digital-extended-specimen-category%2F2394&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C1e81c01c0d4b4ae5a27a08d8be26e850%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468421604884063%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BwD%2BPIn%2BLdZ6Ns%2BG0wLp9iO2Gn1B0jO8zZU%2FimjLvOY%3D&reserved=0> is also now live.  This page will hold guidance on the consultation process with links to the discussion threads.  Please see links on the landing page to more background documents. If you are a new user of the GBIF community forum you will need to register.

The organizers are excited by the large attendance at recent related events and expect a thoughtful and robust consultation.

Thanks

Andy (on behalf of BCoN)

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University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>

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From mhowe at bgs.ac.uk  Thu Jan 21 13:09:52 2021
From: mhowe at bgs.ac.uk (Howe, Michael P.A.)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 18:09:52 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An
 observation on nomenclature
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Dear All,

As the exciting work that many of us have been engaged in for the past 10 - 20 years, to digitze our collections and thereby make them more accessible, grows in support, complexity and achievement, I wish to offer a warning and a comment.

I believe the term "digital twin" should be avoided and replaced by "digital proxy", "digital surrogate" or just "digital specimen". The word twin implies that the digital specimen is absolutely identical to the physical specimen, which it is clearly not. The physical specimen can subjected to new forms of physical analysis and at greater resolutions, in a way that a digital surrogate cannot. Also, the cynic in me knows that before long, a hard pressed administrator will argue that if we have the digital twin we don't need the physical twin.

I am also concerned with the use of the term PID - persistent identifiers. Collections have been using persistent identifiers - unique registration numbers - for over two hundred years (and the British Geological Survey since 1849). Actionable or executable persistent identifiers are a vital tool for linking to objects,  but are a very much newer concept. It seems disingenuous of data scientists not to acknowledge two centuries of good practice (and all the hard work of curators and registrars) and instead use an acronym such as EPID or APID?

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Mike Howe
Chief Curator, British Geological Survey

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
Sent: 21 January 2021 16:09
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration


Dear all,



Over the past year several exciting conversations about the possibilities of digital representations of the billions of specimens currently held in the world?s natural history collections. Two concepts?the Digital Specimen<https://dissco.tech/2020/03/31/what-is-a-digital-specimen/> proposed by the Distributed System of Scientific Collections<https://www.dissco.eu/> (DiSSCo) in Europe and the Extended Specimen<https://www.idigbio.org/sites/default/files/sites/default/files/BCoN/Extending-Biodiversity-Collections-Full-Report%282%29.pdf> emerging from the Biological Collections Network<https://bcon.aibs.org/> (BCoN) in the United States?are now aligning towards a shared vision that connects all information related to a specimen, creating in effect ?digital twins? for the materials held in scientific collections.



Plans for the alliance <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allianceforbio.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C251ac4fbf1e94c6d60d908d8be228dcc%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468402904646152%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3dLwhI%2BXQ93%2FyrhWjARxMOBv%2FZt7nroQCX5pNYfrKBE%3D&reserved=0> consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allianceforbio.org%2Fpost%2Fconverging-digital-and-extended-specimens-towards-a-global-specification-for-data-integration&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C251ac4fbf1e94c6d60d908d8be228dcc%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468402904646152%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Tljmz5WU3RkDkrfLRxrBjNxVSp8B6O%2BPE4iT%2BLFAVuc%3D&reserved=0> are progressing well.



Beginning in February, the consultation<http://bit.ly/esdsconsult> will seek to engage the wider community on a handful of topics that have technical, financial, social, governance and professional implications that require broader discussion and consensus. The consultation aims to expand participation in the process, build support for further collaboration, identify key use cases, and develop an initial roadmap for community adoption and implementation.



GBIF, DiSCCo, iDigBio, ALA, and the Biodiversity Collections Network (BCoN), among others, invite you to register for one of the two virtual opening sessions that will be held on February 16 by following the links below and then to become involved in the Discourse consultation discussion process.



Session 1 6:00 UTC<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fus02web.zoom.us%2Fmeeting%2Fregister%2FtZcodemvrD0vHdXJqojDgS3KACD8bbXorB-D&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C251ac4fbf1e94c6d60d908d8be228dcc%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468402904656146%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=JFBYrqaFFBDxxvkhGrP1pUGRQHA2qb7ghVALf%2BRPPeI%3D&reserved=0>

Session 2 15:00 UTC<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fus02web.zoom.us%2Fmeeting%2Fregister%2FtZwkf-2rrTkjE9zZIWu18G3DgDUHAGSyELz1&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C251ac4fbf1e94c6d60d908d8be228dcc%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468402904656146%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=KBZDlQJOO9Ab6cr%2FjfhG81gYreFSUKO5jLgc%2FfiI%2Fdc%3D&reserved=0>



The GBIF community forum landing page for the consultation<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gbif.org%2Ft%2Fabout-the-digital-extended-specimen-category%2F2394&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C251ac4fbf1e94c6d60d908d8be228dcc%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468402904666139%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=P22mYOJcGolKwFUBP1XgkrCXeLnQtUvT5Cv6wPEYdfE%3D&reserved=0> is also now live.  This page will hold guidance on the consultation process with links to the discussion threads.  Please see links on the landing page to more background documents. If you are a new user of the GBIF community forum you will need to register.



The organizers are excited by the large attendance at recent related events and expect a thoughtful and robust consultation.



Thanks



Andy (on behalf of BCoN)



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Ichthyology Collection Manager

University of Kansas

Biodiversity Institute

Dyche Hall

1345 Jayhawk Boulevard

Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561

USA



Tel: (785) 864-3863

Fax: (785) 864-5335

Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>

http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>



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From ekrimmel at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 13:17:34 2021
From: ekrimmel at gmail.com (Erica Krimmel)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 10:17:34 -0800
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Wednesday 1/27 - Webinar on high-quality imaging for
 slide mounted collections
Message-ID: <CAFnTmHyt7CE_WD=pFJf9gjfdkXpA3RRaa9A_o2v5h0MNOwvAdQ@mail.gmail.com>

We invite you to join the Terrestrial Parasite Tracker TCN
<http://parasitetracker.org/> and Mark Smith of Macroscopic Solutions
<https://macroscopicsolutions.com/> for a mini workshop to provide further
guidance on imaging slide mounted collections. In addition to an overall
recap on methodology, specific details about workflow efficiency, color
calibration and post-processing/editing will be provided. This workshop
will be particularly valuable for technicians dealing with aging or
discolored resins and pertains to high quality image generation. Cost to
attend is free and pre-registration is not required.

*When*: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 - 2:00pm to 3:00pm EST
*Where*: https://fsu.zoom.us/j/91872157332
*Calendar announcement*:
https://www.idigbio.org/content/imaging-terrestrial-parasite-tracker-tcn

*Erica Krimmel*
Digitization Resource Coordinator
Integrated Digitized Biocollections <https://www.idigbio.org/> (iDigBio)
Florida State University
ekrimmel at fsu.edu
(619) 876-3794
ORCID 0000-0003-3192-0080 <https://orcid.org/0000-0003-3192-0080>
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From abentley at ku.edu  Thu Jan 21 13:18:22 2021
From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 18:18:22 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An
 observation on nomenclature
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References: <58717352-AA0B-4D69-BB85-4918847724B6@ku.edu>
 <LO3P123MB3324BE46CC9F4F8568099B89E8A10@LO3P123MB3324.GBRP123.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Hi Michael

I agree on both counts and have indicated as much to the DiSCCCo folks.  I too was worried that the word ?twin? would and could be misconstrued and that the vast amount of additional information provided by the specimen itself would be lost or ignored.  We have struggled in the past with views that once a specimen is digitized that the specimen can be discarded, and I worry that this terminology simply reinforces that obviously incorrect connotation.

I also agree that the coining of a new term for persistent identifiers simply muddies the water even further ? unless there is something unique about PIDs that is not already conveyed by existing identifiers ? which I am not sure there is.  Our community has struggled with a proliferation of unique identifier systems and no coalescence around a single system that works for everyone.  Adding another one to the mix I fear will not solve the problem but rather exacerbate it.

These are both great discussion threads that I think should be mentioned during the consultation coming up.  I have copied Alex Hardisty who is more involved in the DiSCCCo process that developed both of these terms and may have more insights.

Thanks

Andy

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Andy Bentley
Ichthyology Collection Manager
University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>

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From: "Howe, Michael P.A." <mhowe at bgs.ac.uk>
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 12:09 PM
To: Andrew Bentley <abentley at ku.edu>, "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An observation on nomenclature

Dear All,

As the exciting work that many of us have been engaged in for the past 10 - 20 years, to digitze our collections and thereby make them more accessible, grows in support, complexity and achievement, I wish to offer a warning and a comment.

I believe the term "digital twin" should be avoided and replaced by "digital proxy", "digital surrogate" or just "digital specimen". The word twin implies that the digital specimen is absolutely identical to the physical specimen, which it is clearly not. The physical specimen can subjected to new forms of physical analysis and at greater resolutions, in a way that a digital surrogate cannot. Also, the cynic in me knows that before long, a hard pressed administrator will argue that if we have the digital twin we don't need the physical twin.

I am also concerned with the use of the term PID - persistent identifiers. Collections have been using persistent identifiers - unique registration numbers - for over two hundred years (and the British Geological Survey since 1849). Actionable or executable persistent identifiers are a vital tool for linking to objects,  but are a very much newer concept. It seems disingenuous of data scientists not to acknowledge two centuries of good practice (and all the hard work of curators and registrars) and instead use an acronym such as EPID or APID?

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Mike Howe
Chief Curator, British Geological Survey

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
Sent: 21 January 2021 16:09
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration


Dear all,



Over the past year several exciting conversations about the possibilities of digital representations of the billions of specimens currently held in the world?s natural history collections. Two concepts?the Digital Specimen<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdissco.tech%2F2020%2F03%2F31%2Fwhat-is-a-digital-specimen%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C6ec2b3e9831f4ac20bb508d8be37c148%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468493969878550%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=CwZhpBLJR%2BoOrRFWFeRuq2E8rbwENlrxgQne%2FeGUr70%3D&reserved=0> proposed by the Distributed System of Scientific Collections<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dissco.eu%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C6ec2b3e9831f4ac20bb508d8be37c148%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468493969878550%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=dBtaux4UVPgvCXALZtzx1zeXAyk9WoSaBF5HHSDk%2FaI%3D&reserved=0> (DiSSCo) in Europe and the Extended Specimen<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.idigbio.org%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FBCoN%2FExtending-Biodiversity-Collections-Full-Report%25282%2529.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C6ec2b3e9831f4ac20bb508d8be37c148%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468493969888547%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=S%2FIZDvUONgc%2BlUThTgm1pEAoPQIQm0xHT3%2BvUo2sksI%3D&reserved=0> emerging from the Biological Collections Network<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbcon.aibs.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C6ec2b3e9831f4ac20bb508d8be37c148%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468493969888547%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Ruh6tGsFuazocC4v2LuW4Ney9rUMsF1Ez7mY%2FbDN0CM%3D&reserved=0> (BCoN) in the United States?are now aligning towards a shared vision that connects all information related to a specimen, creating in effect ?digital twins? for the materials held in scientific collections.



Plans for the alliance <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allianceforbio.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C6ec2b3e9831f4ac20bb508d8be37c148%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468493969898535%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=68mQPF5fxoRwSs9SEJ8dyxO0Ksh7mHYckXgGLdleoRc%3D&reserved=0> consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allianceforbio.org%2Fpost%2Fconverging-digital-and-extended-specimens-towards-a-global-specification-for-data-integration&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C6ec2b3e9831f4ac20bb508d8be37c148%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468493969898535%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=lKll7hhjysiuIx55rmhrELCj72AzVFQ1dgrkEQpz0L4%3D&reserved=0> are progressing well.



Beginning in February, the consultation<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Fesdsconsult&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C6ec2b3e9831f4ac20bb508d8be37c148%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468493969908527%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=LDw808RHKP%2B1fmX363iyzH%2BtZfzXbccz05quZxWOOkc%3D&reserved=0> will seek to engage the wider community on a handful of topics that have technical, financial, social, governance and professional implications that require broader discussion and consensus. The consultation aims to expand participation in the process, build support for further collaboration, identify key use cases, and develop an initial roadmap for community adoption and implementation.



GBIF, DiSCCo, iDigBio, ALA, and the Biodiversity Collections Network (BCoN), among others, invite you to register for one of the two virtual opening sessions that will be held on February 16 by following the links below and then to become involved in the Discourse consultation discussion process.



Session 1 6:00 UTC<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fus02web.zoom.us%2Fmeeting%2Fregister%2FtZcodemvrD0vHdXJqojDgS3KACD8bbXorB-D&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C6ec2b3e9831f4ac20bb508d8be37c148%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468493969918531%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=AVdmOwyF8cxMANqAtZ%2FKqy9%2FVsnOYXn9KrLxs2IIc4o%3D&reserved=0>

Session 2 15:00 UTC<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fus02web.zoom.us%2Fmeeting%2Fregister%2FtZwkf-2rrTkjE9zZIWu18G3DgDUHAGSyELz1&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C6ec2b3e9831f4ac20bb508d8be37c148%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468493969918531%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=u8xlg7NJgpMojDI2RDGb83mJlcVlgMfKLuP5xirCx9Q%3D&reserved=0>



The GBIF community forum landing page for the consultation<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gbif.org%2Ft%2Fabout-the-digital-extended-specimen-category%2F2394&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C6ec2b3e9831f4ac20bb508d8be37c148%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468493969928520%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=xrc659Qfn8UOsfKWg3dXVjBxKtqVHgd4pPGuXV9%2FvTE%3D&reserved=0> is also now live.  This page will hold guidance on the consultation process with links to the discussion threads.  Please see links on the landing page to more background documents. If you are a new user of the GBIF community forum you will need to register.



The organizers are excited by the large attendance at recent related events and expect a thoughtful and robust consultation.



Thanks



Andy (on behalf of BCoN)



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Ichthyology Collection Manager

University of Kansas

Biodiversity Institute

Dyche Hall

1345 Jayhawk Boulevard

Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561

USA



Tel: (785) 864-3863

Fax: (785) 864-5335

Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>

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From ewommack at uwyo.edu  Thu Jan 21 13:26:23 2021
From: ewommack at uwyo.edu (Elizabeth Wommack)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 11:26:23 -0700
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Scoring Moult during bird skin prep
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Hello Amos,

At a minimum I think recording the presence of molt is important. Many
banding stations have different methods for how they record molt, often
because they work on different groups of birds. So at least sharing the
data that a bird has molt will tell people they should come look at the
skin.
If you do skeletons then molt records may become more important, as the
feathers will become separated (and possibly thrown away) from the
preserved skeleton.

At the UWYMV we record which flight feathers are missing or actively
growing in, and the extent and placement of body molt.
If a preparator is an expert in a group of birds then I also leave it open
that their molt notes can be more extensive. I specialize in birds of prey,
so I tend to take a lot of notes for those birds (similar to how I would if
I was banding), but tend to do the less intense records for most other
groups of birds.

cheers,
Beth Wommack

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 1:25 AM Amos Belmaker <belmakera at tauex.tau.ac.il>
wrote:

> ? This message was sent from a non-UWYO address. Please exercise caution
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> Dear all,
>
>
>
> I?ve been wandering what are some of the common practices regarding
> scoring moult during the preparation of bird specimens. It is possible to
> be very extensive and score each flight feather individually (as is done in
> Israeli banding stations) but this is very hard to digitize later. On the
> other hand, creating a scale would ignore potentially important information.
>
>
>
> What are the different strategies you use in this regard?
>
>
>
> Stay safe!
>
> Amos
>
>
>
> *Dr. Amos Belmaker*
>
> Collection Manager of Birds, The Steinhardt Museum of Natural History
>
> Tel Aviv University, Israel
>
> belmakera at tauex.tau.ac.il, (+972) 073-3802007
>
>
>


-- 
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Curator and Collections Manager of Vertebrates
University of Wyoming Museum of Vertebrates
Berry Biodiversity Conservation Center
University of Wyoming,
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From dssikes at alaska.edu  Thu Jan 21 14:40:25 2021
From: dssikes at alaska.edu (Derek Sikes)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 10:40:25 -0900
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An
 observation on nomenclature
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I'll just chime in here, as a father of identical twins, that anyone who
thinks the word twin means 100% identical is incorrect.

-Derek

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 9:18 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
wrote:

> Hi Michael
>
>
>
> I agree on both counts and have indicated as much to the DiSCCCo folks.  I
> too was worried that the word ?twin? would and could be misconstrued and
> that the vast amount of additional information provided by the specimen
> itself would be lost or ignored.  We have struggled in the past with views
> that once a specimen is digitized that the specimen can be discarded, and I
> worry that this terminology simply reinforces that obviously incorrect
> connotation.
>
>
>
> I also agree that the coining of a new term for persistent identifiers
> simply muddies the water even further ? unless there is something unique
> about PIDs that is not already conveyed by existing identifiers ? which I
> am not sure there is.  Our community has struggled with a proliferation of
> unique identifier systems and no coalescence around a single system that
> works for everyone.  Adding another one to the mix I fear will not solve
> the problem but rather exacerbate it.
>
>
>
> These are both great discussion threads that I think should be mentioned
> during the consultation coming up.  I have copied Alex Hardisty who is more
> involved in the DiSCCCo process that developed both of these terms and may
> have more insights.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Andy
>
>
>
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> Andy Bentley
>
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
>
> University of Kansas
>
> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
>
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
>
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
>
> USA
>
>
>
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
>
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
>
> Email: abentley at ku.edu
>
> http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> *From: *"Howe, Michael P.A." <mhowe at bgs.ac.uk>
> *Date: *Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 12:09 PM
> *To: *Andrew Bentley <abentley at ku.edu>, "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <
> nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> *Subject: *Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An observation on
> nomenclature
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> As the exciting work that many of us have been engaged in for the past 10
> - 20 years, to digitze our collections and thereby make them more
> accessible, grows in support, complexity and achievement, I wish to offer a
> warning and a comment.
>
>
>
> I believe the term "digital twin" should be avoided and replaced by
> "digital proxy", "digital surrogate" or just "digital specimen". The word
> twin implies that the digital specimen is absolutely identical to the
> physical specimen, which it is clearly not. The physical specimen can
> subjected to new forms of physical analysis and at greater resolutions, in
> a way that a digital surrogate cannot. Also, the cynic in me knows that
> before long, a hard pressed administrator will argue that if we have the
> digital twin we don't need the physical twin.
>
>
>
> I am also concerned with the use of the term PID - persistent identifiers.
> Collections have been using persistent identifiers - unique registration
> numbers - for over two hundred years (and the British Geological Survey
> since 1849). Actionable or executable persistent identifiers are a vital
> tool for linking to objects,  but are a very much newer concept. It seems
> disingenuous of data scientists not to acknowledge two centuries of good
> practice (and all the hard work of curators and registrars) and instead use
> an acronym such as EPID or APID?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Howe
>
> Chief Curator, British Geological Survey
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of
> Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> *Sent:* 21 January 2021 16:09
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] Consultation on Converging Digital and Extended
> Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Over the past year several exciting conversations about the possibilities
> of digital representations of the billions of specimens currently held in
> the world?s natural history collections. Two concepts?the Digital Specimen
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdissco.tech%2F2020%2F03%2F31%2Fwhat-is-a-digital-specimen%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C6ec2b3e9831f4ac20bb508d8be37c148%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468493969878550%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=CwZhpBLJR%2BoOrRFWFeRuq2E8rbwENlrxgQne%2FeGUr70%3D&reserved=0>
> proposed by the Distributed System of Scientific Collections
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dissco.eu%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C6ec2b3e9831f4ac20bb508d8be37c148%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468493969878550%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=dBtaux4UVPgvCXALZtzx1zeXAyk9WoSaBF5HHSDk%2FaI%3D&reserved=0>
> (DiSSCo) in Europe and the Extended Specimen
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.idigbio.org%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FBCoN%2FExtending-Biodiversity-Collections-Full-Report%25282%2529.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C6ec2b3e9831f4ac20bb508d8be37c148%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468493969888547%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=S%2FIZDvUONgc%2BlUThTgm1pEAoPQIQm0xHT3%2BvUo2sksI%3D&reserved=0>
> emerging from the Biological Collections Network
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbcon.aibs.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C6ec2b3e9831f4ac20bb508d8be37c148%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468493969888547%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Ruh6tGsFuazocC4v2LuW4Ney9rUMsF1Ez7mY%2FbDN0CM%3D&reserved=0>
> (BCoN) in the United States?are now aligning towards a shared vision that
> connects all information related to a specimen, creating in effect ?digital
> twins? for the materials held in scientific collections.
>
>
>
> Plans for the *alliance
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allianceforbio.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C6ec2b3e9831f4ac20bb508d8be37c148%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468493969898535%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=68mQPF5fxoRwSs9SEJ8dyxO0Ksh7mHYckXgGLdleoRc%3D&reserved=0>*consultation
> on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global
> specification for data integration
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> adoption and implementation.
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> GBIF, DiSCCo, iDigBio, ALA, and the Biodiversity Collections Network
> (BCoN), among others, invite you to register for one of the two virtual
> opening sessions that will be held on February 16 by following the links
> below and then to become involved in the Discourse consultation discussion
> process.
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> *Session 1 6:00 UTC*
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> The organizers are excited by the large attendance at recent related
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From prc44 at drexel.edu  Thu Jan 21 14:48:31 2021
From: prc44 at drexel.edu (Callomon,Paul)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 19:48:31 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An
 observation on nomenclature
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I would cast a vote for "digital extension", chiming nicely as it does with the term "extended specimen". I agree that "twin" is a bad choice.


Paul Callomon MSc
Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates
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From Erik.Ahlander at nrm.se  Thu Jan 21 14:48:55 2021
From: Erik.Ahlander at nrm.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Erik_=C5hlander?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 19:48:55 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An
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I have also been engaged in digitizing collections for the last 45 years. And for the last 35 years I have heard about the last new vision what to do with all this data, usually from people who never did the collection work themselves. Many here who has handled large old collections, where at least some procent of the collection was identified by non-specialists, so many years ago that, at that time, the concept of that species was not even in the same family as today. The most extreme case are those Linnaean types which was never studied since Linnaeus death!

I have not followed this referred discussion, but with identifications like the ones above, the digital twin will not be much of a twin.

Best wishes from a grumpy old man


Erik ?hlander
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Fr?n: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> F?r Howe, Michael P.A.
Skickat: den 21 januari 2021 19:10
Till: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
?mne: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An observation on nomenclature

Dear All,

As the exciting work that many of us have been engaged in for the past 10 - 20 years, to digitze our collections and thereby make them more accessible, grows in support, complexity and achievement, I wish to offer a warning and a comment.

I believe the term "digital twin" should be avoided and replaced by "digital proxy", "digital surrogate" or just "digital specimen". The word twin implies that the digital specimen is absolutely identical to the physical specimen, which it is clearly not. The physical specimen can subjected to new forms of physical analysis and at greater resolutions, in a way that a digital surrogate cannot. Also, the cynic in me knows that before long, a hard pressed administrator will argue that if we have the digital twin we don't need the physical twin.

I am also concerned with the use of the term PID - persistent identifiers. Collections have been using persistent identifiers - unique registration numbers - for over two hundred years (and the British Geological Survey since 1849). Actionable or executable persistent identifiers are a vital tool for linking to objects,  but are a very much newer concept. It seems disingenuous of data scientists not to acknowledge two centuries of good practice (and all the hard work of curators and registrars) and instead use an acronym such as EPID or APID?

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Mike Howe
Chief Curator, British Geological Survey

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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration


Dear all,



Over the past year several exciting conversations about the possibilities of digital representations of the billions of specimens currently held in the world's natural history collections. Two concepts-the Digital Specimen<https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1l2ePI-0006aq-5K&i=57e1b682&c=qnk0J-kEKGIpwy6Qe62oe0NvScEngUapHoDQzn__tjZAc5o7SUvaMuKPKsjlvo5aLyQ3YEEjDHzAYGruTyM-s1M9aRDGGZ4iA9GA3I63dtHQHjcWCPw6_fuaUz6J6bC9zHv10uuRlfYm-OpoTcWL_hr734UkQLsKXjo1SNkM2sQwII9_RPrZi6IIapY7scJHcBO61BjD2dm8D-Xr3HtNgXdhSB6eBZD9OsxyK7EncbyvJw9piEbq6FNgVMEEVQ-sV33-ayBLN9Rzd1Gn27eSdQ> proposed by the Distributed System of Scientific Collections<https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1l2ePI-0006aq-5K&i=57e1b682&c=VeelxXqUmcR84447LDOfKznSEBSGa4rCF5VAHCPkfJfpmOd0YH3auAc70U67DEttAw7pzqKgV8GhXJIYpLN-teKF4iY2Z-DFSx_kOKa34ujuIpyejo6b31LPtJi2HeLWv5eDveAZJhpVvvC9hh4_2zH4agj75maeGYM7iDYRZyO_UYrsYxYNhQDLvelPHnYkXhn7tvO1BIUE51--Wr2XgrlOA39gO2HqWils8oeycmg> (DiSSCo) in Europe and the Extended Specimen<https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1l2ePI-0006aq-5K&i=57e1b682&c=pBP74sX7C78wsjyuEy_LWgAOkPCd6dZUOW1qrW4chsMycw4x2Inz87sgZaIgeqIlyNmpxUi2qu2bcJkMXyN5k8nyr4b5zXBHdbvXLuV8jttQY0_sr7RL1leM-HNxDMkov-DuRqV7NJwJb2EbrHCbkX0X34fVN65VINVGy9vlLcKw2Ev5uiiOQ5s_gu7fPf-gxrGTXlvssf5RmUPMrhCPVuv7JxxgUr4mna9DRf3Q6O0GPKf5EfJ21_6YrCitcC69RqoZyf7yr1LHeI_RGtNPUY6rODsYGS_Cxhw2GkszE8LEqzOpP_xwJ6SCqhd-k1qaBHh-10brh4jaCUDgdPlO52QmT8jwS8hGLxhM83jYYNes1yZa74qFZGX67xUIdb-i> emerging from the Biological Collections Network<https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1l2ePI-0006aq-5K&i=57e1b682&c=w3G_Quqo42aIj5YXDWEYQjA3xc-_bfUOF23UbfTAh0LuxmzbToBrxQPa_NHth2X6UAWIe5NctQqvxI33KuYEWv99-7Z9AzOhDR5BgJRuZopPFA3eunAmVcB5fegQN-xfxT06PTnPfOFSKJjE9qrZehJYlaMZToSIEFJhO5uvv4fvL7NJCfvgm34iMDuJ-3kS0YXnZACgVmvyFfgGEQ4o4BcpYzLf1X1LO_pv5CG6av4> (BCoN) in the United States-are now aligning towards a shared vision that connects all information related to a specimen, creating in effect "digital twins" for the materials held in scientific collections.



Plans for the alliance <https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1l2ePI-0006aq-5K&i=57e1b682&c=SqXPYl80CeeSHzMyrSZQV1dSBQzawGwiFAjRImt9KIH_XoZyomNKXKijvesTULajvlg4EvMO41NEwB59DJLZh4rMSJxFmGwEvmA4NYJSSLGD7HXqKhEVdL24SH74-Wdi2Svjz2MVJ5IPHHDX47l8LZAwUdKg67CIwita8SXp83m5XaCV-2whKRg9EOqt3k0Hh0eeX9ulVakgiDuTu0-rn92ud_m0_ZEv57DIXFybtcC341En7PvEPzd0jODZVhQ1C-UgOKI1BqtGxksIrYR8oqH2eAm5idCGLqWdnIgwhSZTcNPEDA5lqYdDroxJgIQUghPhQOUNz0OtAUvn-7xDWUAK12dMa2m6TA4_hEeZ7250Vmfw7pq6-CU2RX2IXQfYE-WTOQy9OL7PAbMuZiEVraEgwSAIC17daqoD8m0dyreT2CvbSMn4-KprS5TTuV_GATgGWcQY4owhL5M0M1XTOPLu6zuuuZN-37fs2C3A4nkA8XJSzKCWKZnP2sPyIxg3fQSioMEU6hXY_hvrl_TUNbGEE5VP4wzs2Ca0P4GjZyWSS7ISQBs74h_HJGtKm81Nwvtw5edSUEJ7aa2PSs1d2VVASMzuKEV0asgLg_JLmeUyS7rb76ILvjj5kYrFi9MMCUyXUV3wpZ6Fsg74cv8Po1fYehRSkjHO2tzl8Kotz3jQBG1r1-97Z6jRuvCjybXWAn3g6Wn79ZqG9TU3WuQ23g> consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration<https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1l2ePI-0006aq-5K&i=57e1b682&c=kI-R-zx9_8VbF4-ii3Z1H8BFEjVzwlqhJdL-i3OxJLyACtmPjBtPFy0cw014odHynFfj0g7LRHGHcEDv6PLRdUhvGS-QEV6DpMdm7zlL-se4WxfLsJX_wdRkzIrUtMaNTmol9oPdnFSyb-YUG7aDiLGW0ly3GisGAqsNkn2SDHYC_orXQbvLYdg_4e0KNIJ_pewZHM2YM18kCjXIQ8RPEunBOEOJ4N6IrSeMK9I03ShwR4iYSE-8PnQFU6asQZyBY9K0xdYPRSczo11A7EhogzXTmd707He97Fh4ZDpuydhx4gE_rytPXXkbuH9fuRP-OrG49AjDlHi2waoQhdtP_x5j556Km9pez1-f0L8GWY1nxzlixXlxy4KArtCtZYVIRFSYP6VPzDwmVwyzB_4q8awvKlq9SKoHH08jrJMs_ZwqdBW2mY_Bq4bRDBvDsDd_cmzUqNwx48qXjLN-FSmlrJc9Sw_By1L9KC-_Qu98atSZ8-8hhrxjJeMN7VaXu8CH9NwuIGTc6BIe72zPBjK7Gp3e_hWcAA9BKkzq9Oe0WM0Y1AiuzGLo793pgz7dy2VaruEunj-O7ZE8xewMuZ5PuiTXPAExZ3qBrlGB-9pkzWQ4tNmvScpxaisvX8xsfYU2iWaR0J7d8QDLR0QjbnPxvoKK4oqaVvqEJf8tbIY-yT_MUin2H4hhp_ftk3arPFu9worz3DEr_TBI-ZGuc15FN5WBUpkiCZUDCDZTqmq2d42A-IDsVFF74WL2EYJTQvPRt8LfxUQ3Nvmwd4Ys_fIioDnhkjI-pxTZlOjWvSfjCUQ2I1rAFLBrs88EsqH18Phc9-ADALStLX3e3PGw4NXm-Q> are progressing well.



Beginning in February, the consultation<https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1l2ePI-0006aq-5K&i=57e1b682&c=lQ-NwbEhDh4F35kDRBd-hgCummPixj80ytLr_Nj4ryfcTGHKIXw5X99ECVTzyqmfbCF8Wk4nzdz7S163RaZQ_yGfrkgXmfhnh79gpulWEYFGcQOrANl4cOtixOj5o4grX133ilACjGiIjewrEokA4KiEiN9BNWp3NF7b-8WmOMLFEmJD2OI7EniQo2ELrlV8Vv6mGxFYPsJGMGASnMmY-mcmZP0CPiZvuxZoxiOGCgU> will seek to engage the wider community on a handful of topics that have technical, financial, social, governance and professional implications that require broader discussion and consensus. The consultation aims to expand participation in the process, build support for further collaboration, identify key use cases, and develop an initial roadmap for community adoption and implementation.



GBIF, DiSCCo, iDigBio, ALA, and the Biodiversity Collections Network (BCoN), among others, invite you to register for one of the two virtual opening sessions that will be held on February 16 by following the links below and then to become involved in the Discourse consultation discussion process.



Session 1 6:00 UTC<https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1l2ePI-0006aq-5K&i=57e1b682&c=B7qDV_3swFA7P3ZrxyQvValOLey_o9zBySN-xeqyisJ0UdFPJjdV2ebxXZkQDFnr3u6DogSL8CuTUaMBahdFl6lN9uIsYHQoWH1ouD-lI2Jl2o1bQL23hxgCqpEF2RmWjg6R7oAFh7O20LJPGzGE1P_St65T68QMrlCR_iTCrMVt5S3zq2H3h9kuxiabtTwyRzAZSSUiMHnUdOIYIIREe5ehIcO-qRpeMfRvEnOVBIEqdcvKJJsyyI5uV6ML8we3J40y7ROfAfrDaZkSDj3Ig1h9VfiLlINrrtDABkdylIIt94zBjRPdPOHli5eR7xRGoViwJqRpOm0KtbCSohGkp0pVIwSJbFqiT0aKIbLe9aImoV0DWeq6z32JfZb_AtlrgyJA5UZKYQSROXXx59fdcnVzNBtyk94vlSEumLHswKiYVQQqzXwetqwPCi5JIq7wf6t8JILdtUW2xsxpaDNT9C3hWTL0Q_esymw8sEmwkbjPQVSe9PR8Ttr252DRwFmzK4dkiOmJoj9j2x69FtcLFMwEFCxDSINjHrb3D_SWEfDnW51QZxy7F5h3Xw9bHS0v6SAY5Wx3erbcfyQ9TbMXTjDRy82LEHW8JGY4pOrzt4zByQZsvDNxvxC7G_mR4Kd7S1MOt0ksb4TJRJaOXN_1LMialxKtoHg---IDZOtKpPnJoI-bHv3zxIsQ-afXVY5p24ypUI9C1zP6i4ijgIVjDneDNGozcy_qv2rhaTeUGgcBD_ROY-pQd5jvho87g-MdDbgRil0B5mhPs6ZdVV9qDQ>

Session 2 15:00 UTC<https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1l2ePI-0006aq-5K&i=57e1b682&c=K7-Ucnx_8d3qH5YFz4BA4qUP63b56mmkUSUrGN1M9VpoHj3Ou6thz7MCAUmxpEiwYdSQEwyuziyM0zLbwIuJzr-H714l2mYWQv5DKo6r_Z7ilFO16KjCEjP-k0-UQUUp1PebqKMG4m370a5lngLCAQLX3MiolHQ-cCSDjBbCYQhBwrLnIwB8L-kscKpviI2TdQX6sDkfkzYS_fhkr2wn9xiZ9nSw0_2aTBOBMgP9Lqapi5bQE_pcZS7YnwIzdqSdiB5eXN7wHUo428I5BnkUe10pK1ulB62NoSA75NHMBcVgHaPEI5uxPFzwr7nvhYn0xRGY7Htnu5DlqHO3n5ltuXv6c8hMgCzbOIOR2Kvb9m5ScbF1N0TYkLRvsOx2CvxOo_2IjW3WR9Fli_FK3C4VmSNK72nGpWht-YRtvc958NZlnOWvw69NzgmlUStm2aQPMGUazH2LRelYGRfHTj832YIcPOcKEc8dnQ4IA3c7pwa22KRi3ytk7w89meOngfiJY0QynD4LmD_KUp4QCMRT_NAevB3WKId-rIoFU4tAm1rGeEI9T0fErahmADD7n3hJ2M-wzbOr6VocY9Ewh8-GJAOBuSupYWA_KeGzhI755L0JX6ytX6oY1NDAnOZVhpyzxOWKC69uPLZYkCU2_IK4BB7AqOXDSu955rDewLr_UtbbJkBnZ8aXmNnkcdUp4S2LEt15HxHLjRjYzwSmlNmvCbH_MEPaJj-H-Hif02op-2W1MX03KWxQkIfAw0aHDraNJoSycdpDaxyPh48rvpYapw>



The GBIF community forum landing page for the consultation<https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1l2ePI-0006aq-5K&i=57e1b682&c=K9C6Ui6XcFhCBN4o_7RuleNZC_vUWO0cL9CnaHbc-77RfNZTJ8wRORs_LRJyR-mamBZqJZxpSr7s-cXfGXOS1z7t3B2uXR2qzSgYKw2ZmL3aCJkOKHQDRwRy7Aobe23h3IV9nuehzXV6z31wP9amcGdG40UguspB4-a1G8fJYcz4oPNDxkCN9La5BF_RhXPQuYPKw0aPwGTeLpbzRL6GxD2UZ_ItrHYXYUyvhDADccqahWCXIXWWVWpMclfyMEenFTIIFStwZ29aX3C5k_nDmF2ePFVMd3MtANcmttWiDsb7BxSf0FI4YNP4Vyvl2NWZyDefjQeDsgA67E93K4pq8I0C6-SYj152LNm6k67dSHp4R_jCHETsinTho02EBTsNlg1-YMISmc6rDm2BMnKMLLlsnxL-rDeXyPMDqGhkIWPPpinbRgZOpNCjs9dLNFzM8lHdk7kxWb_e05_r3XL_MuroOVjs0jWds3lqsPMzT90eoevohL9oQHKu0quNJUy8OWKQaYD_DTFR1IUU14l1e4jOnDYw3Bhz9mvxbCqU8N_xoormWVvRQNFqs4A7kI-fOyJ4eKiXWJ6SU7gylysk3Drv1QF0Ocm5-zx42JA8hINpMopwl3GDRna3ePj3W2Ndvpt223kM0zhMwpNj40ASvS2d8QRrkiUxrJ_qAFDChEhxUyeXisz2N21lR84mmif314UB_kSwguqndWVKyVoiyGQkDu3x8iFwMD4R_FKx19QrIIHKGZNz8TLD9UpU4ORS0FyJBjLHZGhh96zF5aOfmg> is also now live.  This page will hold guidance on the consultation process with links to the discussion threads.  Please see links on the landing page to more background documents. If you are a new user of the GBIF community forum you will need to register.



The organizers are excited by the large attendance at recent related events and expect a thoughtful and robust consultation.



Thanks



Andy (on behalf of BCoN)



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From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:57:42 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An
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Agreed.  However, the point here is that if you had a photo/x-ray, CT scan and vital staistics of one of your twins, you couldn?t actually get rid of the child right?

Andy

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University of Kansas
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Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
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From: Derek Sikes <dssikes at alaska.edu>
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 1:40 PM
To: Andrew Bentley <abentley at ku.edu>
Cc: "Howe, Michael P.A." <mhowe at bgs.ac.uk>, "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>, Alex Hardisty <HardistyAR at cardiff.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An observation on nomenclature

I'll just chime in here, as a father of identical twins, that anyone who thinks the word twin means 100% identical is incorrect.

-Derek

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 9:18 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>> wrote:
Hi Michael

I agree on both counts and have indicated as much to the DiSCCCo folks.  I too was worried that the word ?twin? would and could be misconstrued and that the vast amount of additional information provided by the specimen itself would be lost or ignored.  We have struggled in the past with views that once a specimen is digitized that the specimen can be discarded, and I worry that this terminology simply reinforces that obviously incorrect connotation.

I also agree that the coining of a new term for persistent identifiers simply muddies the water even further ? unless there is something unique about PIDs that is not already conveyed by existing identifiers ? which I am not sure there is.  Our community has struggled with a proliferation of unique identifier systems and no coalescence around a single system that works for everyone.  Adding another one to the mix I fear will not solve the problem but rather exacerbate it.

These are both great discussion threads that I think should be mentioned during the consultation coming up.  I have copied Alex Hardisty who is more involved in the DiSCCCo process that developed both of these terms and may have more insights.

Thanks

Andy

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USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
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From: "Howe, Michael P.A." <mhowe at bgs.ac.uk<mailto:mhowe at bgs.ac.uk>>
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 12:09 PM
To: Andrew Bentley <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>, "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
Subject: Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An observation on nomenclature

Dear All,

As the exciting work that many of us have been engaged in for the past 10 - 20 years, to digitze our collections and thereby make them more accessible, grows in support, complexity and achievement, I wish to offer a warning and a comment.

I believe the term "digital twin" should be avoided and replaced by "digital proxy", "digital surrogate" or just "digital specimen". The word twin implies that the digital specimen is absolutely identical to the physical specimen, which it is clearly not. The physical specimen can subjected to new forms of physical analysis and at greater resolutions, in a way that a digital surrogate cannot. Also, the cynic in me knows that before long, a hard pressed administrator will argue that if we have the digital twin we don't need the physical twin.

I am also concerned with the use of the term PID - persistent identifiers. Collections have been using persistent identifiers - unique registration numbers - for over two hundred years (and the British Geological Survey since 1849). Actionable or executable persistent identifiers are a vital tool for linking to objects,  but are a very much newer concept. It seems disingenuous of data scientists not to acknowledge two centuries of good practice (and all the hard work of curators and registrars) and instead use an acronym such as EPID or APID?

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Mike Howe
Chief Curator, British Geological Survey

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> on behalf of Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration


Dear all,



Over the past year several exciting conversations about the possibilities of digital representations of the billions of specimens currently held in the world?s natural history collections. Two concepts?the Digital Specimen<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdissco.tech%2F2020%2F03%2F31%2Fwhat-is-a-digital-specimen%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C3828bf8297fe4ff67f9108d8be446d77%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468548407539430%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=gpLTD9WQbD4EBc4MyVtVbxrIhufldKUPn12tonmc93o%3D&reserved=0> proposed by the Distributed System of Scientific Collections<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dissco.eu%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C3828bf8297fe4ff67f9108d8be446d77%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468548407549423%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=n9Munj1kfqSaB0qn6IEQHAtdU4dyot8ofIiNjES6fuE%3D&reserved=0> (DiSSCo) in Europe and the Extended Specimen<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.idigbio.org%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FBCoN%2FExtending-Biodiversity-Collections-Full-Report%25282%2529.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C3828bf8297fe4ff67f9108d8be446d77%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468548407559421%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=6rJwKsz4mJT8B37GvJs6Joe4bidrnBsMU2JWwTSp4og%3D&reserved=0> emerging from the Biological Collections Network<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbcon.aibs.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C3828bf8297fe4ff67f9108d8be446d77%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468548407559421%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Gt5ITY6li6Nnx9kkCA3wTvV0K3633tJmFxvTPqhWAZY%3D&reserved=0> (BCoN) in the United States?are now aligning towards a shared vision that connects all information related to a specimen, creating in effect ?digital twins? for the materials held in scientific collections.



Plans for the alliance <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allianceforbio.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C3828bf8297fe4ff67f9108d8be446d77%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468548407569410%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=JWtj%2FsBBqvy8QPO%2FEMWloXJtEu2X1Cf%2BZGMIB2kZHqg%3D&reserved=0> consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allianceforbio.org%2Fpost%2Fconverging-digital-and-extended-specimens-towards-a-global-specification-for-data-integration&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C3828bf8297fe4ff67f9108d8be446d77%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468548407569410%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=0Mw%2BzN6604BGMJBlpSDXLRj%2FIICVG2MdqDnk8n8qIbo%3D&reserved=0> are progressing well.



Beginning in February, the consultation<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Fesdsconsult&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C3828bf8297fe4ff67f9108d8be446d77%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468548407579402%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=zDr%2BzwaaP3BFMg0spbsIVlNLqS%2FsvmmkIwewzIasy5U%3D&reserved=0> will seek to engage the wider community on a handful of topics that have technical, financial, social, governance and professional implications that require broader discussion and consensus. The consultation aims to expand participation in the process, build support for further collaboration, identify key use cases, and develop an initial roadmap for community adoption and implementation.



GBIF, DiSCCo, iDigBio, ALA, and the Biodiversity Collections Network (BCoN), among others, invite you to register for one of the two virtual opening sessions that will be held on February 16 by following the links below and then to become involved in the Discourse consultation discussion process.



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The GBIF community forum landing page for the consultation<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gbif.org%2Ft%2Fabout-the-digital-extended-specimen-category%2F2394&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C3828bf8297fe4ff67f9108d8be446d77%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637468548407599389%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=fNaD0KCqK3nq7S8XzsBCLddM2I3kS0ZZdBB3qpcF8ps%3D&reserved=0> is also now live.  This page will hold guidance on the consultation process with links to the discussion threads.  Please see links on the landing page to more background documents. If you are a new user of the GBIF community forum you will need to register.



The organizers are excited by the large attendance at recent related events and expect a thoughtful and robust consultation.



Thanks



Andy (on behalf of BCoN)



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Fax: (785) 864-5335

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From: belmakera at tauex.tau.ac.il (Amos Belmaker)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 14:28:03 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Scoring Moult during bird skin prep
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Hi Beth, Thanks for the reply!

You mention that you write the extent and placement of body moult. What kind of scale do you use for that?

Cheers,
Amos

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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Scoring Moult during bird skin prep

Hello Amos,

At a minimum I think recording the presence of molt is important. Many banding stations have different methods for how they record molt, often because they work on different groups of birds. So at least sharing the data that a bird has molt will tell people they should come look at the skin.
If you do skeletons then molt records may become more important, as the feathers will become separated (and possibly thrown away) from the preserved skeleton.

At the UWYMV we record which flight feathers are missing or actively growing in, and the extent and placement of body molt.
If a preparator is an expert in a group of birds then I also leave it open that their molt notes can be more extensive. I specialize in birds of prey, so I tend to take a lot of notes for those birds (similar to how I would if I was banding), but tend to do the less intense records for most other groups of birds.

cheers,
Beth Wommack

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Dear all,

I?ve been wandering what are some of the common practices regarding scoring moult during the preparation of bird specimens. It is possible to be very extensive and score each flight feather individually (as is done in Israeli banding stations) but this is very hard to digitize later. On the other hand, creating a scale would ignore potentially important information.

What are the different strategies you use in this regard?

Stay safe!
Amos

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From HardistyAR at cardiff.ac.uk  Fri Jan 22 05:26:56 2021
From: HardistyAR at cardiff.ac.uk (Alex Hardisty)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:26:56 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An
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Andy, Derek ?

Thanks Mike for your remarks.

On the ?twin? remark, DiSSCo has used various terms at moments in the past 3 years and digital twin is the present one. My personal preference is to express as follows: ?A Digital Specimen is a digital representation on the Internet (a surrogate) corresponding to an identifiable physical specimen in a natural science collection.? ? a ?Specimen on the Internet? if you will.

The current use of the term by DiSSCo ?twin? reflects two aspects. One is a political dimension among the policy and workprogramme statements of the European Commission as the EC finalises and enters into the next 7-year framework programme for research, ?Horizon Europe?. Here among the funding instruments and desired work focuses, the idea of digital twins is prominent in the ICT domain. The other aspect relates to the fact that we can foresee entirely different kinds of usages of physical specimens and digital specimen data in the future. There are kinds of work that can only be done based on the physical specimen, such as analysing it?s chemistry. It is clear that in the future there will be entirely new kinds of work that can?t be done on physical specimens but which rely on the availability in digital form of data derived from and related to physical specimens ? data science. To extend Derek?s reference to his offspring, the twin is not identical and it can have a different job to that of its sibling. Extended/extendable Digital Specimen digital objects are a new abstraction and this is what the consultation is principally concerned with.

On persistent identifiers, these are not specifically a topic of the first round of consultation. It is planned to include discourse about a persistent identification scheme for Digital Specimens (DS) in a subsequent round planned for late Spring. To be clear again, we are talking here only about persistent identification of Digital Specimen digital objects and nothing else. We are not proposing to alter or replace any scheme of identification (persistent or not) presently in use for physical objects. PIDs for DS will sit alongside identifiers of anything else and have their own role to play.

In the present decade, enabled by the Internet we will enter a new era of what it means to work with specimens. DiSSCo and BCoN are at the forefront of thinking about that. The global team behind the coming consultation wants to consult as widely as possible, taking all views into account to build common understanding and direction of that future.

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From: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
Sent: 21 January 2021 20:58
To: Derek Sikes <dssikes at alaska.edu>
Cc: Howe, Michael P.A. <mhowe at bgs.ac.uk>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu; Alex Hardisty <HardistyAR at cardiff.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An observation on nomenclature

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Agreed.  However, the point here is that if you had a photo/x-ray, CT scan and vital staistics of one of your twins, you couldn?t actually get rid of the child right?

Andy

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From: Derek Sikes <dssikes at alaska.edu<mailto:dssikes at alaska.edu>>
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 1:40 PM
To: Andrew Bentley <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>
Cc: "Howe, Michael P.A." <mhowe at bgs.ac.uk<mailto:mhowe at bgs.ac.uk>>, "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>, Alex Hardisty <HardistyAR at cardiff.ac.uk<mailto:HardistyAR at cardiff.ac.uk>>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An observation on nomenclature

I'll just chime in here, as a father of identical twins, that anyone who thinks the word twin means 100% identical is incorrect.

-Derek

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 9:18 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>> wrote:
Hi Michael

I agree on both counts and have indicated as much to the DiSCCCo folks.  I too was worried that the word ?twin? would and could be misconstrued and that the vast amount of additional information provided by the specimen itself would be lost or ignored.  We have struggled in the past with views that once a specimen is digitized that the specimen can be discarded, and I worry that this terminology simply reinforces that obviously incorrect connotation.

I also agree that the coining of a new term for persistent identifiers simply muddies the water even further ? unless there is something unique about PIDs that is not already conveyed by existing identifiers ? which I am not sure there is.  Our community has struggled with a proliferation of unique identifier systems and no coalescence around a single system that works for everyone.  Adding another one to the mix I fear will not solve the problem but rather exacerbate it.

These are both great discussion threads that I think should be mentioned during the consultation coming up.  I have copied Alex Hardisty who is more involved in the DiSCCCo process that developed both of these terms and may have more insights.

Thanks

Andy

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From: "Howe, Michael P.A." <mhowe at bgs.ac.uk<mailto:mhowe at bgs.ac.uk>>
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 12:09 PM
To: Andrew Bentley <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>, "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
Subject: Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An observation on nomenclature

Dear All,

As the exciting work that many of us have been engaged in for the past 10 - 20 years, to digitze our collections and thereby make them more accessible, grows in support, complexity and achievement, I wish to offer a warning and a comment.

I believe the term "digital twin" should be avoided and replaced by "digital proxy", "digital surrogate" or just "digital specimen". The word twin implies that the digital specimen is absolutely identical to the physical specimen, which it is clearly not. The physical specimen can subjected to new forms of physical analysis and at greater resolutions, in a way that a digital surrogate cannot. Also, the cynic in me knows that before long, a hard pressed administrator will argue that if we have the digital twin we don't need the physical twin.

I am also concerned with the use of the term PID - persistent identifiers. Collections have been using persistent identifiers - unique registration numbers - for over two hundred years (and the British Geological Survey since 1849). Actionable or executable persistent identifiers are a vital tool for linking to objects,  but are a very much newer concept. It seems disingenuous of data scientists not to acknowledge two centuries of good practice (and all the hard work of curators and registrars) and instead use an acronym such as EPID or APID?

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Mike Howe
Chief Curator, British Geological Survey

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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration


Dear all,



Over the past year several exciting conversations about the possibilities of digital representations of the billions of specimens currently held in the world?s natural history collections. Two concepts?the Digital Specimen<https://dissco.tech/2020/03/31/what-is-a-digital-specimen/> proposed by the Distributed System of Scientific Collections<https://www.dissco.eu/> (DiSSCo) in Europe and the Extended Specimen<https://www.idigbio.org/sites/default/files/sites/default/files/BCoN/Extending-Biodiversity-Collections-Full-Report%282%29.pdf> emerging from the Biological Collections Network<https://bcon.aibs.org/> (BCoN) in the United States?are now aligning towards a shared vision that connects all information related to a specimen, creating in effect ?digital twins? for the materials held in scientific collections.



Plans for the alliance <https://www.allianceforbio.org/> consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration<https://www.allianceforbio.org/post/converging-digital-and-extended-specimens-towards-a-global-specification-for-data-integration> are progressing well.



Beginning in February, the consultation<http://bit.ly/esdsconsult> will seek to engage the wider community on a handful of topics that have technical, financial, social, governance and professional implications that require broader discussion and consensus. The consultation aims to expand participation in the process, build support for further collaboration, identify key use cases, and develop an initial roadmap for community adoption and implementation.



GBIF, DiSCCo, iDigBio, ALA, and the Biodiversity Collections Network (BCoN), among others, invite you to register for one of the two virtual opening sessions that will be held on February 16 by following the links below and then to become involved in the Discourse consultation discussion process.



Session 1 6:00 UTC<https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZcodemvrD0vHdXJqojDgS3KACD8bbXorB-D>

Session 2 15:00 UTC<https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZwkf-2rrTkjE9zZIWu18G3DgDUHAGSyELz1>



The GBIF community forum landing page for the consultation<https://discourse.gbif.org/t/about-the-digital-extended-specimen-category/2394> is also now live.  This page will hold guidance on the consultation process with links to the discussion threads.  Please see links on the landing page to more background documents. If you are a new user of the GBIF community forum you will need to register.



The organizers are excited by the large attendance at recent related events and expect a thoughtful and robust consultation.



Thanks



Andy (on behalf of BCoN)



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From: gshugart at pugetsound.edu (Gary W Shugart)
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Scoring Moult during bird skin prep
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Hi: I record proportional length to the nearest tenth for remiges & rectrices.  Body is none, trace, light , moderate, heavy indicating feather tracts if concentrated. These data are enter as a text string in a molt field & printed on tags for example ?molt: wings (LR): P1=new, P2=.8 (L) P3=.2 (R)=.4, (LR) S1=out; rectrices none;  body moderate, heavy on head neck?.  Tedious & many errors result from novices miscounting or numbering the wrong way.  The practice originated from KU via UW Burke Museum but then any molt research should go back to the specimen to verify ( unless I trust the preparator) so I?ve wondered if the effort is worth it. But I continue the tradition. 
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Amos Belmaker <belmakera at tauex.tau.ac.il>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 12:24:50 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu; ebeac at nhm.ac.uk
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Scoring Moult during bird skin prep

Dear all,

I?ve been wandering what are some of the common practices regarding scoring moult during the preparation of bird specimens. It is possible to be very extensive and score each flight feather individually (as is done in Israeli banding stations) but this is very hard to digitize later. On the other hand, creating a scale would ignore potentially important information.

What are the different strategies you use in this regard?

Stay safe!
Amos

Dr. Amos Belmaker
Collection Manager of Birds, The Steinhardt Museum of Natural History
Tel Aviv University, Israel
belmakera at tauex.tau.ac.il<mailto:belmakera at tauex.tau.ac.il>, (+972) 073-3802007


From ewommack at uwyo.edu  Fri Jan 22 15:08:45 2021
From: ewommack at uwyo.edu (Elizabeth Wommack)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 13:08:45 -0700
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Scoring Moult during bird skin prep
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Hello Amos,

We generally go from no body molt, sporadic, light, moderate, heavy. I also
like to put where on the body if possible, such as sporadic molt on back of
neck and lower abdomen or heavy body molt over all feather tracts. That way
if it is a skin, and they want to look for the body molt later they know
approximately where to search.
I find a lot more sporadic molt than I ever anticipate. Some of it may be
fright molt loss or other behavior/stress molting behavior, but I also
think that may be important data for someone.

cheers,
Beth

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:28 AM Amos Belmaker <belmakera at tauex.tau.ac.il>
wrote:

> Hi Beth, Thanks for the reply!
>
>
>
> You mention that you write the extent and placement of body moult. What
> kind of scale do you use for that?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Amos
>
>
>
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> Windows 10
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>
> *From: *Elizabeth Wommack <ewommack at uwyo.edu>
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 21, 2021 8:26 PM
> *To: *Amos Belmaker <belmakera at tauex.tau.ac.il>
> *Cc: *nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu; ebeac at nhm.ac.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Nhcoll-l] Scoring Moult during bird skin prep
>
>
>
> Hello Amos,
>
>
>
> At a minimum I think recording the presence of molt is important. Many
> banding stations have different methods for how they record molt, often
> because they work on different groups of birds. So at least sharing the
> data that a bird has molt will tell people they should come look at the
> skin.
>
> If you do skeletons then molt records may become more important, as the
> feathers will become separated (and possibly thrown away) from the
> preserved skeleton.
>
>
>
> At the UWYMV we record which flight feathers are missing or actively
> growing in, and the extent and placement of body molt.
>
> If a preparator is an expert in a group of birds then I also leave it open
> that their molt notes can be more extensive. I specialize in birds of prey,
> so I tend to take a lot of notes for those birds (similar to how I would if
> I was banding), but tend to do the less intense records for most other
> groups of birds.
>
>
>
> cheers,
>
> Beth Wommack
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 1:25 AM Amos Belmaker <belmakera at tauex.tau.ac.il>
> wrote:
>
> ? This message was sent from a non-UWYO address. Please exercise caution
> when clicking links or opening attachments from external sources.
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> I?ve been wandering what are some of the common practices regarding
> scoring moult during the preparation of bird specimens. It is possible to
> be very extensive and score each flight feather individually (as is done in
> Israeli banding stations) but this is very hard to digitize later. On the
> other hand, creating a scale would ignore potentially important information.
>
>
>
> What are the different strategies you use in this regard?
>
>
>
> Stay safe!
>
> Amos
>
>
>
> *Dr. Amos Belmaker*
>
> Collection Manager of Birds, The Steinhardt Museum of Natural History
>
> Tel Aviv University, Israel
>
> belmakera at tauex.tau.ac.il, (+972) 073-3802007
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Elizabeth Wommack, PhD
> Curator and Collections Manager of Vertebrates
> University of Wyoming Museum of Vertebrates
>
> Berry Biodiversity Conservation Center
>
> University of Wyoming,
> Laramie, WY 82071
> ewommack@ <ewommack at berkeley.edu>uwyo.edu
>
> www.uwymv. <http://www.uwymv.edu/>org
>
> UWYMV Collection Use Policy
> <http://www.uwymv.org/index.php/download_file/view/43/143/>
>
>
>


-- 
Elizabeth Wommack, PhD
Curator and Collections Manager of Vertebrates
University of Wyoming Museum of Vertebrates
Berry Biodiversity Conservation Center
University of Wyoming,
Laramie, WY 82071
ewommack@ <ewommack at berkeley.edu>uwyo.edu
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From dboyd10 at lsu.edu  Tue Jan 26 09:54:43 2021
From: dboyd10 at lsu.edu (David Boyd)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 14:54:43 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life
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Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,

While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems) or Zebra brand printers?

Thanks,
Dave

David A. Boyd
Collections Manager, Ichthyology and Herpetology
Louisiana State University Museum of Natural Science
119 Foster Hall, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
(352) 317-8276

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From abentley at ku.edu  Tue Jan 26 10:29:05 2021
From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 15:29:05 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life
Message-ID: <4EF5DC48-722D-4EC9-9D0F-0F013CCF3641@ku.edu>

David

I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears that it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued (click on printers and the I-class is about half-way down).  The I-Class Mark II (the updated version) will still continue to be produced and supported.  This is the printer that most folks have currently (at least we do).

So, it appears, crisis averted.  I have copied Joe from Alpha Systems so he is aware.

Andy

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Andy Bentley
Ichthyology Collection Manager
University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:54 AM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,

While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems) or Zebra brand printers?

Thanks,
Dave

David A. Boyd
Collections Manager, Ichthyology and Herpetology
Louisiana State University Museum of Natural Science
119 Foster Hall, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
(352) 317-8276

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From jpandey at aibs.org  Tue Jan 26 10:33:36 2021
From: jpandey at aibs.org (Jyotsna Pandey)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 10:33:36 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] AIBS Enabling Interdisciplinary and Team Science--April
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From JPanella at alphasystemsva.com  Tue Jan 26 10:34:13 2021
From: JPanella at alphasystemsva.com (Joe Panella)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 15:34:13 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life
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Andy,

The H-Class and I-Class is slotted to be END OF SALE in December 2021.
They will support the printers for probably 5 additional years after END OF SALE, or until there are no parts left, which ever comes first.

I thought I should clarify.

JP


From: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:29 AM
To: David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

David

I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears that it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued (click on printers and the I-class is about half-way down).  The I-Class Mark II (the updated version) will still continue to be produced and supported.  This is the printer that most folks have currently (at least we do).

So, it appears, crisis averted.  I have copied Joe from Alpha Systems so he is aware.

Andy

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Andy Bentley
Ichthyology Collection Manager
University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> on behalf of David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:54 AM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,

While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems) or Zebra brand printers?

Thanks,
Dave

David A. Boyd
Collections Manager, Ichthyology and Herpetology
Louisiana State University Museum of Natural Science
119 Foster Hall, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
(352) 317-8276

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From JPanella at alphasystemsva.com  Tue Jan 26 10:31:41 2021
From: JPanella at alphasystemsva.com (Joe Panella)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 15:31:41 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life
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I?ve been mentioning this to each of the sites as they call.  I also have a replacement ready.

JP


From: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:29 AM
To: David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

David

I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears that it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued (click on printers and the I-class is about half-way down).  The I-Class Mark II (the updated version) will still continue to be produced and supported.  This is the printer that most folks have currently (at least we do).

So, it appears, crisis averted.  I have copied Joe from Alpha Systems so he is aware.

Andy

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     V                   V                  V
Andy Bentley
Ichthyology Collection Manager
University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> on behalf of David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:54 AM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,

While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems) or Zebra brand printers?

Thanks,
Dave

David A. Boyd
Collections Manager, Ichthyology and Herpetology
Louisiana State University Museum of Natural Science
119 Foster Hall, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
(352) 317-8276

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From abentley at ku.edu  Tue Jan 26 10:39:23 2021
From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 15:39:23 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life
In-Reply-To: <e5f0f0dfa5ef4e82b78766e47d84609c@alphasystemsva.com>
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Joe

I think the point being that it is only the I-Class Mark I that is scheduled for end of sale.  The Mark II does not fall into that category so the printer will still be available in that form for some time to come.

Andy

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Andy Bentley
Ichthyology Collection Manager
University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>

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From: "jpanella at alphasystemsva.com" <JPanella at alphasystemsva.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 9:34 AM
To: Andrew Bentley <abentley at ku.edu>, David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu>, "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Andy,

The H-Class and I-Class is slotted to be END OF SALE in December 2021.
They will support the printers for probably 5 additional years after END OF SALE, or until there are no parts left, which ever comes first.

I thought I should clarify.

JP


From: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:29 AM
To: David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

David

I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears that it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.honeywellaidc.com%2Fproducts%2Fdiscontinued&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C7a94e2ef0b944ab252d108d8c20fd631%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637472720613718946%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=o8JvSZTx9HN21yTiXqQXya0Fo%2BWF3qXZcZqwynIq0hU%3D&reserved=0> (click on printers and the I-class is about half-way down).  The I-Class Mark II (the updated version) will still continue to be produced and supported.  This is the printer that most folks have currently (at least we do).

So, it appears, crisis averted.  I have copied Joe from Alpha Systems so he is aware.

Andy

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Andy Bentley
Ichthyology Collection Manager
University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> on behalf of David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:54 AM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,

While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems) or Zebra brand printers?

Thanks,
Dave

David A. Boyd
Collections Manager, Ichthyology and Herpetology
Louisiana State University Museum of Natural Science
119 Foster Hall, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
(352) 317-8276

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From JPanella at alphasystemsva.com  Tue Jan 26 10:57:18 2021
From: JPanella at alphasystemsva.com (Joe Panella)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 15:57:18 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life
In-Reply-To: <AD29611B-AD14-419D-972B-1BC6FCEFE240@ku.edu>
References: <4EF5DC48-722D-4EC9-9D0F-0F013CCF3641@ku.edu>
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Andy,

Sort of accurate.
Nothing OFFICIAL has been announced for either.   But, with that said, we were part of a presentation, where they presented a list of SKU?s that are already announced, mostly I-class mark 1, and H-Class.
With that said, the delays on MARK II products has gotten very long, which leads us to believe they are also getting ready to sunset those products in lieu of newer products that have already been announced, and fit the same footprint as product that has been around for several years.

We have seen this enough to realize that they will likely be doing the same with the MARK ii, and and feel its best to start looking at newer replacement product.   We?re steering new users to newer product, that also can use the same supplies, but offer many more new features that may be interesting.

I can go over all this with you live as well.

Joe Panella
Alpha Systems, Inc.
804-334-0784


From: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:39 AM
To: Joe Panella <JPanella at alphasystemsva.com>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Joe

I think the point being that it is only the I-Class Mark I that is scheduled for end of sale.  The Mark II does not fall into that category so the printer will still be available in that form for some time to come.

Andy

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Andy Bentley
Ichthyology Collection Manager
University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>

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From: "jpanella at alphasystemsva.com<mailto:jpanella at alphasystemsva.com>" <JPanella at alphasystemsva.com<mailto:JPanella at alphasystemsva.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 9:34 AM
To: Andrew Bentley <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>, David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>, "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Andy,

The H-Class and I-Class is slotted to be END OF SALE in December 2021.
They will support the printers for probably 5 additional years after END OF SALE, or until there are no parts left, which ever comes first.

I thought I should clarify.

JP


From: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:29 AM
To: David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

David

I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears that it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.honeywellaidc.com%2Fproducts%2Fdiscontinued&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C7a94e2ef0b944ab252d108d8c20fd631%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637472720613718946%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=o8JvSZTx9HN21yTiXqQXya0Fo%2BWF3qXZcZqwynIq0hU%3D&reserved=0> (click on printers and the I-class is about half-way down).  The I-Class Mark II (the updated version) will still continue to be produced and supported.  This is the printer that most folks have currently (at least we do).

So, it appears, crisis averted.  I have copied Joe from Alpha Systems so he is aware.

Andy

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Andy Bentley
Ichthyology Collection Manager
University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> on behalf of David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:54 AM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,

While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems) or Zebra brand printers?

Thanks,
Dave

David A. Boyd
Collections Manager, Ichthyology and Herpetology
Louisiana State University Museum of Natural Science
119 Foster Hall, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
(352) 317-8276

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From JMGAGNON at nature.ca  Tue Jan 26 15:27:35 2021
From: JMGAGNON at nature.ca (Jean-Marc Gagnon)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 20:27:35 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re:  Datamax end of life
In-Reply-To: <6dd5762316ea4cd0a93e9959d7f6ab30@alphasystemsva.com>
References: <4EF5DC48-722D-4EC9-9D0F-0F013CCF3641@ku.edu>
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David?s question is very relevant, with constantly changing market and the lifespan of a printer model.

Like many, we?ve relied on the Datamax Mark II for our recent labelling needs.
Unfortunately, when we purchased 2 of those printers, one turned out to be a lemon and was never properly serviced by the provider in Canada.
This was probably (I?d like to believe) the exception in the lot, but still an expensive experience.

As a result, when I had the funds to purchase another printer, I went for a Zebra Printer, available from a well-known distributor.
I felt that for the significant difference in price (in Canada), it was worth trying something different:
ZEBRA ZT410 DIRECT THERMAL/THERMAL TRANSFER PRINTER - 600 DPI (H-5150; it is similar to the aforementioned Datamax).
But now, it is replaced by the much more expensive ZEBRA ZT610 600 DPI.

You?ll have to compare price and functionality between these Datamax and Zebra printers
Once we figured out the optimal printing setup and the fact that the rolls of ribbon and label material (from Alpha Systems) need to be wound in the correct direction (ribbon not the same as for Datamax; e.g., Part # 296833 4.33" x 1476' SDR5+ CSO Resin Ribbon for Zebra), we were and are still very satisfied with the Zebra.

So there are options available.

Jean-Marc


Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D.
Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist
Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef
Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature
613 364 4066
613 851-7556 cell
613 364 4027 Fax
jmgagnon at nature.ca<mailto:jmgagnon at nature.ca>

Adresse postale / Postal Address:
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From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Panella
Sent: January 26, 2021 10:32 AM
To: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur.
EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender.
I?ve been mentioning this to each of the sites as they call.  I also have a replacement ready.

JP

From: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:29 AM
To: David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

David

I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears that it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued (click on printers and the I-class is about half-way down).  The I-Class Mark II (the updated version) will still continue to be produced and supported.  This is the printer that most folks have currently (at least we do).

So, it appears, crisis averted.  I have copied Joe from Alpha Systems so he is aware.

Andy

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Andy Bentley
Ichthyology Collection Manager
University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> on behalf of David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:54 AM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,

While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems) or Zebra brand printers?

Thanks,
Dave

David A. Boyd
Collections Manager, Ichthyology and Herpetology
Louisiana State University Museum of Natural Science
119 Foster Hall, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
(352) 317-8276


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From JPanella at alphasystemsva.com  Tue Jan 26 15:51:12 2021
From: JPanella at alphasystemsva.com (Joe Panella)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 20:51:12 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re:  Datamax end of life
In-Reply-To: <YTXPR0101MB0973AEC9AFAE9DD4744AEE09C6BC0@YTXPR0101MB0973.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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We are a zebra business partner as well, we find those printers to be more difficult for end users to understand how to load.
I?m really thinking the CAB printer is super easy, and solidly built.

The Mark II is still available, it will work until the formal end of life is announced, which we?re all still feeling is going to be December 2021, maybe the latest February 2022.

All of the supplies work in the zebra, Cab, or Datamax.

JP


From: Jean-Marc Gagnon <JMGAGNON at nature.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:28 PM
To: Joe Panella <JPanella at alphasystemsva.com>; Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: RE: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

David?s question is very relevant, with constantly changing market and the lifespan of a printer model.

Like many, we?ve relied on the Datamax Mark II for our recent labelling needs.
Unfortunately, when we purchased 2 of those printers, one turned out to be a lemon and was never properly serviced by the provider in Canada.
This was probably (I?d like to believe) the exception in the lot, but still an expensive experience.

As a result, when I had the funds to purchase another printer, I went for a Zebra Printer, available from a well-known distributor.
I felt that for the significant difference in price (in Canada), it was worth trying something different:
ZEBRA ZT410 DIRECT THERMAL/THERMAL TRANSFER PRINTER - 600 DPI (H-5150; it is similar to the aforementioned Datamax).
But now, it is replaced by the much more expensive ZEBRA ZT610 600 DPI.

You?ll have to compare price and functionality between these Datamax and Zebra printers
Once we figured out the optimal printing setup and the fact that the rolls of ribbon and label material (from Alpha Systems) need to be wound in the correct direction (ribbon not the same as for Datamax; e.g., Part # 296833 4.33" x 1476' SDR5+ CSO Resin Ribbon for Zebra), we were and are still very satisfied with the Zebra.

So there are options available.

Jean-Marc


Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D.
Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist
Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef
Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature
613 364 4066
613 851-7556 cell
613 364 4027 Fax
jmgagnon at nature.ca<mailto:jmgagnon at nature.ca>

Adresse postale / Postal Address:
Canadian Museum of Nature        / Mus?e canadien de la nature
P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D                 / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D
Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4                  / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4
Canada                                     / Canada





From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Panella
Sent: January 26, 2021 10:32 AM
To: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur.


EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender.

I?ve been mentioning this to each of the sites as they call.  I also have a replacement ready.

JP

From: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:29 AM
To: David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

David

I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears that it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued (click on printers and the I-class is about half-way down).  The I-Class Mark II (the updated version) will still continue to be produced and supported.  This is the printer that most folks have currently (at least we do).

So, it appears, crisis averted.  I have copied Joe from Alpha Systems so he is aware.

Andy

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     V                   V                  V
Andy Bentley
Ichthyology Collection Manager
University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> on behalf of David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:54 AM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,

While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems) or Zebra brand printers?

Thanks,
Dave

David A. Boyd
Collections Manager, Ichthyology and Herpetology
Louisiana State University Museum of Natural Science
119 Foster Hall, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
(352) 317-8276


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From: gregory.watkins-colwell at yale.edu (Watkins-Colwell, Gregory)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 21:01:48 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re:  Datamax end of life
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References: <4EF5DC48-722D-4EC9-9D0F-0F013CCF3641@ku.edu>
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Will the CAB printers be able to make labels that are ethanol resistant?  I don't really care so much what brand the printer is, so long as it works.

Greg



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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Joe Panella
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:51 PM
To: Jean-Marc Gagnon <JMGAGNON at nature.ca>; Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life

We are a zebra business partner as well, we find those printers to be more difficult for end users to understand how to load.
I'm really thinking the CAB printer is super easy, and solidly built.

The Mark II is still available, it will work until the formal end of life is announced, which we're all still feeling is going to be December 2021, maybe the latest February 2022.

All of the supplies work in the zebra, Cab, or Datamax.

JP


From: Jean-Marc Gagnon <JMGAGNON at nature.ca<mailto:JMGAGNON at nature.ca>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:28 PM
To: Joe Panella <JPanella at alphasystemsva.com<mailto:JPanella at alphasystemsva.com>>; Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: RE: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

David's question is very relevant, with constantly changing market and the lifespan of a printer model.

Like many, we've relied on the Datamax Mark II for our recent labelling needs.
Unfortunately, when we purchased 2 of those printers, one turned out to be a lemon and was never properly serviced by the provider in Canada.
This was probably (I'd like to believe) the exception in the lot, but still an expensive experience.

As a result, when I had the funds to purchase another printer, I went for a Zebra Printer, available from a well-known distributor.
I felt that for the significant difference in price (in Canada), it was worth trying something different:
ZEBRA ZT410 DIRECT THERMAL/THERMAL TRANSFER PRINTER - 600 DPI (H-5150; it is similar to the aforementioned Datamax).
But now, it is replaced by the much more expensive ZEBRA ZT610 600 DPI.

You'll have to compare price and functionality between these Datamax and Zebra printers
Once we figured out the optimal printing setup and the fact that the rolls of ribbon and label material (from Alpha Systems) need to be wound in the correct direction (ribbon not the same as for Datamax; e.g., Part # 296833 4.33" x 1476' SDR5+ CSO Resin Ribbon for Zebra), we were and are still very satisfied with the Zebra.

So there are options available.

Jean-Marc


Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D.
Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist
Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef
Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature
613 364 4066
613 851-7556 cell
613 364 4027 Fax
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From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Panella
Sent: January 26, 2021 10:32 AM
To: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
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I've been mentioning this to each of the sites as they call.  I also have a replacement ready.

JP

From: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

David

I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears that it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.honeywellaidc.com%2Fproducts%2Fdiscontinued&data=04%7C01%7Cgregory.watkins-colwell%40yale.edu%7C94d4cb6a1ddb4dad7a2b08d8c23d4640%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637472915754327901%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=SdYCrLNfPxZSbA4o%2FVU%2BaA8bNaN8YWPYuxewMQNPnfs%3D&reserved=0> (click on printers and the I-class is about half-way down).  The I-Class Mark II (the updated version) will still continue to be produced and supported.  This is the printer that most folks have currently (at least we do).

So, it appears, crisis averted.  I have copied Joe from Alpha Systems so he is aware.

Andy

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Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:54 AM
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,

While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems) or Zebra brand printers?

Thanks,
Dave

David A. Boyd
Collections Manager, Ichthyology and Herpetology
Louisiana State University Museum of Natural Science
119 Foster Hall, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
(352) 317-8276


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From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 21:03:13 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re:  Datamax end of life
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Yes, most of these printers have the same spooling system and core size that will accept the spun-bound polyester media and ribbons we have been using.

Andy

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From: Greg Watkins-Colwell <gregory.watkins-colwell at yale.edu>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:01 PM
To: "jpanella at alphasystemsva.com" <JPanella at alphasystemsva.com>, Jean-Marc Gagnon <JMGAGNON at nature.ca>, Andrew Bentley <abentley at ku.edu>, David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu>, "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life

Will the CAB printers be able to make labels that are ethanol resistant?  I don?t really care so much what brand the printer is, so long as it works.

Greg



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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Joe Panella
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:51 PM
To: Jean-Marc Gagnon <JMGAGNON at nature.ca>; Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life

We are a zebra business partner as well, we find those printers to be more difficult for end users to understand how to load.
I?m really thinking the CAB printer is super easy, and solidly built.

The Mark II is still available, it will work until the formal end of life is announced, which we?re all still feeling is going to be December 2021, maybe the latest February 2022.

All of the supplies work in the zebra, Cab, or Datamax.

JP


From: Jean-Marc Gagnon <JMGAGNON at nature.ca<mailto:JMGAGNON at nature.ca>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:28 PM
To: Joe Panella <JPanella at alphasystemsva.com<mailto:JPanella at alphasystemsva.com>>; Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: RE: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

David?s question is very relevant, with constantly changing market and the lifespan of a printer model.

Like many, we?ve relied on the Datamax Mark II for our recent labelling needs.
Unfortunately, when we purchased 2 of those printers, one turned out to be a lemon and was never properly serviced by the provider in Canada.
This was probably (I?d like to believe) the exception in the lot, but still an expensive experience.

As a result, when I had the funds to purchase another printer, I went for a Zebra Printer, available from a well-known distributor.
I felt that for the significant difference in price (in Canada), it was worth trying something different:
ZEBRA ZT410 DIRECT THERMAL/THERMAL TRANSFER PRINTER - 600 DPI (H-5150; it is similar to the aforementioned Datamax).
But now, it is replaced by the much more expensive ZEBRA ZT610 600 DPI.

You?ll have to compare price and functionality between these Datamax and Zebra printers
Once we figured out the optimal printing setup and the fact that the rolls of ribbon and label material (from Alpha Systems) need to be wound in the correct direction (ribbon not the same as for Datamax; e.g., Part # 296833 4.33" x 1476' SDR5+ CSO Resin Ribbon for Zebra), we were and are still very satisfied with the Zebra.

So there are options available.

Jean-Marc


Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D.
Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist
Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef
Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature
613 364 4066
613 851-7556 cell
613 364 4027 Fax
jmgagnon at nature.ca<mailto:jmgagnon at nature.ca>

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From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Panella
Sent: January 26, 2021 10:32 AM
To: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur.
EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender.
I?ve been mentioning this to each of the sites as they call.  I also have a replacement ready.

JP

From: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

David

I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears that it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.honeywellaidc.com%2Fproducts%2Fdiscontinued&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C9765c811811e415e07d108d8c23d99ca%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637472917141090296%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=KfkZZP%2FwybvORNputBnPKZoCl7OeG1Y5YkdspfB6llo%3D&reserved=0> (click on printers and the I-class is about half-way down).  The I-Class Mark II (the updated version) will still continue to be produced and supported.  This is the printer that most folks have currently (at least we do).

So, it appears, crisis averted.  I have copied Joe from Alpha Systems so he is aware.

Andy

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University of Kansas
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Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> on behalf of David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:54 AM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,

While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems) or Zebra brand printers?

Thanks,
Dave

David A. Boyd
Collections Manager, Ichthyology and Herpetology
Louisiana State University Museum of Natural Science
119 Foster Hall, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
(352) 317-8276


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From: JPanella at alphasystemsva.com (Joe Panella)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 21:28:15 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re:  Datamax end of life
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Yes, same supplies.



From: Watkins-Colwell, Gregory <gregory.watkins-colwell at yale.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 4:02 PM
To: Joe Panella <JPanella at alphasystemsva.com>; Jean-Marc Gagnon <JMGAGNON at nature.ca>; Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life

Will the CAB printers be able to make labels that are ethanol resistant?  I don't really care so much what brand the printer is, so long as it works.

Greg



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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Joe Panella
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:51 PM
To: Jean-Marc Gagnon <JMGAGNON at nature.ca<mailto:JMGAGNON at nature.ca>>; Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life

We are a zebra business partner as well, we find those printers to be more difficult for end users to understand how to load.
I'm really thinking the CAB printer is super easy, and solidly built.

The Mark II is still available, it will work until the formal end of life is announced, which we're all still feeling is going to be December 2021, maybe the latest February 2022.

All of the supplies work in the zebra, Cab, or Datamax.

JP


From: Jean-Marc Gagnon <JMGAGNON at nature.ca<mailto:JMGAGNON at nature.ca>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:28 PM
To: Joe Panella <JPanella at alphasystemsva.com<mailto:JPanella at alphasystemsva.com>>; Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: RE: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

David's question is very relevant, with constantly changing market and the lifespan of a printer model.

Like many, we've relied on the Datamax Mark II for our recent labelling needs.
Unfortunately, when we purchased 2 of those printers, one turned out to be a lemon and was never properly serviced by the provider in Canada.
This was probably (I'd like to believe) the exception in the lot, but still an expensive experience.

As a result, when I had the funds to purchase another printer, I went for a Zebra Printer, available from a well-known distributor.
I felt that for the significant difference in price (in Canada), it was worth trying something different:
ZEBRA ZT410 DIRECT THERMAL/THERMAL TRANSFER PRINTER - 600 DPI (H-5150; it is similar to the aforementioned Datamax).
But now, it is replaced by the much more expensive ZEBRA ZT610 600 DPI.

You'll have to compare price and functionality between these Datamax and Zebra printers
Once we figured out the optimal printing setup and the fact that the rolls of ribbon and label material (from Alpha Systems) need to be wound in the correct direction (ribbon not the same as for Datamax; e.g., Part # 296833 4.33" x 1476' SDR5+ CSO Resin Ribbon for Zebra), we were and are still very satisfied with the Zebra.

So there are options available.

Jean-Marc


Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D.
Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist
Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef
Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature
613 364 4066
613 851-7556 cell
613 364 4027 Fax
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COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur.


EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender.

I've been mentioning this to each of the sites as they call.  I also have a replacement ready.

JP

From: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:29 AM
To: David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

David

I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears that it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.honeywellaidc.com%2Fproducts%2Fdiscontinued&data=04%7C01%7Cgregory.watkins-colwell%40yale.edu%7C94d4cb6a1ddb4dad7a2b08d8c23d4640%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637472915754327901%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=SdYCrLNfPxZSbA4o%2FVU%2BaA8bNaN8YWPYuxewMQNPnfs%3D&reserved=0> (click on printers and the I-class is about half-way down).  The I-Class Mark II (the updated version) will still continue to be produced and supported.  This is the printer that most folks have currently (at least we do).

So, it appears, crisis averted.  I have copied Joe from Alpha Systems so he is aware.

Andy

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Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:54 AM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,

While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems) or Zebra brand printers?

Thanks,
Dave

David A. Boyd
Collections Manager, Ichthyology and Herpetology
Louisiana State University Museum of Natural Science
119 Foster Hall, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
(352) 317-8276


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From: neumann at snsb.de (Dirk Neumann)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 23:02:44 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life
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Hi Jean-Marc and all,

one of the key challenges we all have to face (and to some extent have 
to endure) is that technological advance is an important economic 
driving factor. The degree of sophistication usually increases the 
exclusiveness (and often price) and limits or decreases the number of 
possible alternatives. Sadly the rate of 'advance' steadily accelerates, 
and finding alternatives that meet same standards and quality becomes 
increasingly difficult or - at some point - impossible.

Without becoming too philosophical, they key question seems to be how 
reliant a collection wants to be on (just) one printing system. Even 
reliable dinosaurs (like good old HP 600 monochrome printers) will die 
out, if production of cartridges is discontinued.

Thus it might be worth to use two entirely independent labelling systems 
(e.g. like in Paris or Brussels), not only to increase independence, but 
also to be able to verify efficiency and reliability of possible new 
alternatives in parallel with existing systems. If I remember correctly, 
that was one of the key recommendations during the Labelling workshop at 
the SPNHC conference in Leiden back in 2009.

This could include pre-printing of just continuous inventory numbers 
with currently used reliable labelling/printing systems if severe 
challenges can be expected, e.g. because printers or consumables are 
phased out. In this case if ribbons of labels produced with the new 
printer would detach, the inventory number printed with the old Datamax 
printer would still be in place.

Just a thought ... as we all know, current 'satisfaction' can develop 
into a formidable nightmare in short time? ;-)

All the best
Dirk


Am 26.01.2021 um 21:27 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon:
>
> David?s question is very relevant, with constantly changing market and 
> the lifespan of a printer model.
>
> Like many, we?ve relied on the Datamax Mark II for our recent 
> labelling needs.
>
> Unfortunately, when we purchased 2 of those printers, one turned out 
> to be a lemon and was never properly serviced by the provider in Canada.
>
> This was probably (I?d like to believe) the exception in the lot, but 
> still an expensive experience.
>
> As a result, when I had the funds to purchase another printer, I went 
> for a Zebra Printer, available from a well-known distributor.
>
> I felt that for the significant difference in price (in Canada), it 
> was worth trying something different:
>
> ZEBRA ZT410 DIRECT THERMAL/THERMAL TRANSFER PRINTER - 600 DPI (H-5150; 
> it is similar to the aforementioned Datamax).
>
> But now, it is replaced by the much more expensive ZEBRA ZT610 600 DPI.
>
> You?ll have to compare price and functionality between these Datamax 
> and Zebra printers
>
> Once we figured out the optimal printing setup and the fact that the 
> rolls of ribbon and label material (from Alpha Systems) need to be 
> wound in the correct direction (ribbon not the same as for Datamax; 
> e.g., Part # 296833 4.33" x 1476' SDR5+ CSO Resin Ribbon for Zebra), 
> we were and are still very satisfied with the Zebra.
>
> So there are options available.
>
> Jean-Marc
>
> *Jean-Marc Gagnon*, Ph.D.
>
> Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist
>
> Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef
>
> *Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature*
>
> 613 364 4066
>
> 613 851-7556 cell
>
> 613 364 4027 Fax
>
> jmgagnon at nature.ca <mailto:jmgagnon at nature.ca>
>
> _Adresse postale / Postal Address:_
>
> Canadian Museum of Nature ?????? / Mus?e canadien de la nature
>
> P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D ??????????????? / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D
>
> Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4? ??????????????? / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4
>
> Canada???????????????????????????????????? / Canada
>
> *From:* Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] *On Behalf 
> Of *Joe Panella
> *Sent:* January 26, 2021 10:32 AM
> *To:* Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>; David Boyd 
> <dboyd10 at lsu.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life
>
> COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins 
> que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur.
>
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know 
> the sender.
>
> I?ve been mentioning this to each of the sites as they call.? I also 
> have a replacement ready.
>
>
> JP
>
> *From:* Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu 
> <mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:29 AM
> *To:* David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu <mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>; 
> nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life
>
> David
>
> I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears that 
> it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be 
> discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued 
> <https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued> (click on 
> printers and the I-class is about half-way down). The I-Class Mark II 
> (the updated version) will still continue to be produced and 
> supported.? This is the printer that most folks have currently (at 
> least we do).
>
> So, it appears, crisis averted.? I have copied Joe from Alpha Systems 
> so he is aware.
>
> Andy
>
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>
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>
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>
> Andy Bentley
>
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
>
> University of Kansas
>
> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
>
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
>
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
>
> USA
>
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
>
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
>
> Email: abentley at ku.edu <mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
>
> http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu 
> <http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>
>
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> *From: *Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu 
> <mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> on behalf of David Boyd 
> <dboyd10 at lsu.edu <mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>
> *Date: *Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:54 AM
> *To: *"nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" 
> <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
> *Subject: *[Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life
>
> Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,
>
> While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative at 
> Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the 
> popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support will 
> continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences they 
> could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems) or Zebra 
> brand printers?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
> David A. Boyd
>
> Collections Manager, Ichthyology and Herpetology
>
> Louisiana State University Museum of Natural Science
>
> 119 Foster Hall, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
>
> (352) 317-8276
>
>
> <https://nature.ca/>
>
> *Saving the World with Evidence, Knowledge and Inspiration.*/(click to 
> learn more)/ 
> <https://nature.ca/en/about-us/museum-corporation/mission-mandate>
>
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> l'inspiration.*/(cliquez pour en savoir plus)/ 
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>
>
>
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From abentley at ku.edu  Tue Jan 26 17:54:47 2021
From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 22:54:47 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life
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?Dirk

This printing SYSTEM (thermal transfer) is fairly ubiquitously available and there are a large number of printers and manufacturers that produce compatible printers.  This printing system is used by a large number of communities and commercial entities (airline industry for example) which negates the chances that it will become obsolete any time soon.  It is the media and ribbon combination that is the critical element here.  Again, the SDR ribbon that is chemical resistant is also ubiquitously available from multiple manufacturers.  However, the spun-bound polyester media currently in use by many collections and supplied by Alpha Systems is fairly proprietary and is the limiting factor here.  Alpha Systems has been naturally very cagey about the exact makeup of the media so as to corner the market, but a large number of collections are successfully using this system in their collections and it not outside the realm of possibility that we could find another supplier or suppliers of the media to alleviate this problem if we really tried.

Andy

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1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
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Tel: (785) 864-3863
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Dirk Neumann <neumann at snsb.de>
Reply-To: "neumann at snsb.de" <neumann at snsb.de>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:02 PM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life

Hi Jean-Marc and all,

one of the key challenges we all have to face (and to some extent have to endure) is that technological advance is an important economic driving factor. The degree of sophistication usually increases the exclusiveness (and often price) and limits or decreases the number of possible alternatives. Sadly the rate of 'advance' steadily accelerates, and finding alternatives that meet same standards and quality becomes increasingly difficult or - at some point - impossible.

Without becoming too philosophical, they key question seems to be how reliant a collection wants to be on (just) one printing system. Even reliable dinosaurs (like good old HP 600 monochrome printers) will die out, if production of cartridges is discontinued.

Thus it might be worth to use two entirely independent labelling systems (e.g. like in Paris or Brussels), not only to increase independence, but also to be able to verify efficiency and reliability of possible new alternatives in parallel with existing systems. If I remember correctly, that was one of the key recommendations during the Labelling workshop at the SPNHC conference in Leiden back in 2009.

This could include pre-printing of just continuous inventory numbers with currently used reliable labelling/printing systems if severe challenges can be expected, e.g. because printers or consumables are phased out. In this case if ribbons of labels produced with the new printer would detach, the inventory number printed with the old Datamax printer would still be in place.

Just a thought ... as we all know, current 'satisfaction' can develop into a formidable nightmare in short time  ;-)

All the best
Dirk


Am 26.01.2021 um 21:27 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon:
David?s question is very relevant, with constantly changing market and the lifespan of a printer model.

Like many, we?ve relied on the Datamax Mark II for our recent labelling needs.
Unfortunately, when we purchased 2 of those printers, one turned out to be a lemon and was never properly serviced by the provider in Canada.
This was probably (I?d like to believe) the exception in the lot, but still an expensive experience.

As a result, when I had the funds to purchase another printer, I went for a Zebra Printer, available from a well-known distributor.
I felt that for the significant difference in price (in Canada), it was worth trying something different:
ZEBRA ZT410 DIRECT THERMAL/THERMAL TRANSFER PRINTER - 600 DPI (H-5150; it is similar to the aforementioned Datamax).
But now, it is replaced by the much more expensive ZEBRA ZT610 600 DPI.

You?ll have to compare price and functionality between these Datamax and Zebra printers
Once we figured out the optimal printing setup and the fact that the rolls of ribbon and label material (from Alpha Systems) need to be wound in the correct direction (ribbon not the same as for Datamax; e.g., Part # 296833 4.33" x 1476' SDR5+ CSO Resin Ribbon for Zebra), we were and are still very satisfied with the Zebra.

So there are options available.

Jean-Marc


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Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist
Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef
Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature
613 364 4066
613 851-7556 cell
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David

I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears that it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.honeywellaidc.com%2Fproducts%2Fdiscontinued&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C2021fc88079846fc45c608d8c2462094%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637472953748842899%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=M8PbVzx8Qe4rc7XqH3IDP9xz93M3YA%2BBG9RMHYKrukw%3D&reserved=0> (click on printers and the I-class is about half-way down).  The I-Class Mark II (the updated version) will still continue to be produced and supported.  This is the printer that most folks have currently (at least we do).

So, it appears, crisis averted.  I have copied Joe from Alpha Systems so he is aware.

Andy

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Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:54 AM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,

While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems) or Zebra brand printers?

Thanks,
Dave

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Louisiana State University Museum of Natural Science
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From neumann at snsb.de  Wed Jan 27 04:30:51 2021
From: neumann at snsb.de (Dirk Neumann)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 10:30:51 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life
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Hi Andy,

my cautioning remarks were not pro/con ribbons or thermal transfer 
printers; as you say, this printing system (thermal transfer) works 
pretty well in many collections. The key question in this thread for me 
was the "end of life" and the necessary changes this implies - either 
within the same printing system, or in cases were you need to introduce 
a new system, because it cannot be avoided. One option could be to 
pre-print just a huge chunk of inventory numbers with the old 
(established) system and to add these together with the new labels - 
regardless if these new labels are produced with an entirely new 
printing system, or within the same system (i.e. identical printing 
media) but on a different printing device.

The devil is a squirrel - there might be a tiny detail that is 
different, even when you stay within the same system. And usually there 
is a strong tendency that such things become obvious always 
'afterwards'. Thus it might be worth to consider precautionary steps for 
the transition, e.g. by taking advantage of currently established - and 
proofed to be reliable - printing systems and procedures. Such as the 
combination of Datamax printers + SDR ribbons.

Maybe I misunderstood Jean-Marc's email, but "SDR5+ CSO Resin Ribbon for 
Zebra), we were and are _still_ very satisfied with the Zebra"
sounded to me like a B while he was used to a A+ from the Datamax Mark 
II (reading between the lines /well, yes, results still good but surely 
not as good as with the Datamax mark II/). We have a lot of labels from 
the 1980ies were former staff was experimenting with new labels; some of 
them collapse now simultaneously - because the paper itself crumbles 
away. Somewhere in the collection. And we have no overview which jars 
are affected, but of course recognise this 'after' the label has 
collapsed. It would have been just wonderful if they would have just 
included the inventory number on the superb old labels they used before.

All the best
Dirk



Am 26.01.2021 um 23:54 schrieb Bentley, Andrew Charles:
>
> ?Dirk
>
> This printing SYSTEM (thermal transfer) is fairly ubiquitously 
> available and there are a large number of printers and manufacturers 
> that produce compatible printers.? This printing system is used by a 
> large number of communities and commercial entities (airline industry 
> for example) which negates the chances that it will become obsolete 
> any time soon.? It is the media and ribbon combination that is the 
> critical element here.? Again, the SDR ribbon that is chemical 
> resistant is also ubiquitously available from multiple manufacturers.? 
> However, the spun-bound polyester media currently in use by many 
> collections and supplied by Alpha Systems is fairly proprietary and is 
> the limiting factor here.? Alpha Systems has been naturally very cagey 
> about the exact makeup of the media so as to corner the market, but a 
> large number of collections are successfully using this system in 
> their collections and it not outside the realm of possibility that we 
> could find another supplier or suppliers of the media to alleviate 
> this problem if we really tried.
>
> Andy
>
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>
> ?}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?>
>
> V?????????????????? V????????????????? V
>
> Andy Bentley
>
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
>
> University of Kansas
>
> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
>
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
>
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
>
> USA
>
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
>
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
>
> Email: abentley at ku.edu <mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
>
> http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu 
> <http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>
>
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>
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>
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>
> *From: *Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Dirk 
> Neumann <neumann at snsb.de>
> *Reply-To: *"neumann at snsb.de" <neumann at snsb.de>
> *Date: *Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:02 PM
> *To: *"nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> *Subject: *Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life
>
> Hi Jean-Marc and all,
>
> one of the key challenges we all have to face (and to some extent have 
> to endure) is that technological advance is an important economic 
> driving factor. The degree of sophistication usually increases the 
> exclusiveness (and often price) and limits or decreases the number of 
> possible alternatives. Sadly the rate of 'advance' steadily 
> accelerates, and finding alternatives that meet same standards and 
> quality becomes increasingly difficult or - at some point - impossible.
>
> Without becoming too philosophical, they key question seems to be how 
> reliant a collection wants to be on (just) one printing system. Even 
> reliable dinosaurs (like good old HP 600 monochrome printers) will die 
> out, if production of cartridges is discontinued.
>
> Thus it might be worth to use two entirely independent labelling 
> systems (e.g. like in Paris or Brussels), not only to increase 
> independence, but also to be able to verify efficiency and reliability 
> of possible new alternatives in parallel with existing systems. If I 
> remember correctly, that was one of the key recommendations during the 
> Labelling workshop at the SPNHC conference in Leiden back in 2009.
>
> This could include pre-printing of just continuous inventory numbers 
> with currently used reliable labelling/printing systems if severe 
> challenges can be expected, e.g. because printers or consumables are 
> phased out. In this case if ribbons of labels produced with the new 
> printer would detach, the inventory number printed with the old 
> Datamax printer would still be in place.
>
> Just a thought ... as we all know, current 'satisfaction' can develop 
> into a formidable nightmare in short time? ;-)
>
> All the best
>
> Dirk
>
> Am 26.01.2021 um 21:27 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon:
>
>     David?s question is very relevant, with constantly changing market
>     and the lifespan of a printer model.
>
>     Like many, we?ve relied on the Datamax Mark II for our recent
>     labelling needs.
>
>     Unfortunately, when we purchased 2 of those printers, one turned
>     out to be a lemon and was never properly serviced by the provider
>     in Canada.
>
>     This was probably (I?d like to believe) the exception in the lot,
>     but still an expensive experience.
>
>     As a result, when I had the funds to purchase another printer, I
>     went for a Zebra Printer, available from a well-known distributor.
>
>     I felt that for the significant difference in price (in Canada),
>     it was worth trying something different:
>
>     ZEBRA ZT410 DIRECT THERMAL/THERMAL TRANSFER PRINTER - 600 DPI
>     (H-5150; it is similar to the aforementioned Datamax).
>
>     But now, it is replaced by the much more expensive ZEBRA ZT610 600
>     DPI.
>
>     You?ll have to compare price and functionality between these
>     Datamax and Zebra printers
>
>     Once we figured out the optimal printing setup and the fact that
>     the rolls of ribbon and label material (from Alpha Systems) need
>     to be wound in the correct direction (ribbon not the same as for
>     Datamax; e.g., Part # 296833 4.33" x 1476' SDR5+ CSO Resin Ribbon
>     for Zebra), we were and are still very satisfied with the Zebra.
>
>     So there are options available.
>
>     Jean-Marc
>
>     *Jean-Marc Gagnon*, Ph.D.
>
>     Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist
>
>     Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef
>
>     *Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature*
>
>     613 364 4066
>
>     613 851-7556 cell
>
>     613 364 4027 Fax
>
>     jmgagnon at nature.ca <mailto:jmgagnon at nature.ca>
>
>     _Adresse postale / Postal Address:_
>
>     Canadian Museum of Nature ?????? / Mus?e canadien de la nature
>
>     P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D ??????????????? / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D
>
>     Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4? ??????????????? / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4
>
>     Canada???????????????????????????????????? / Canada
>
>     *From:* Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu
>     <mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Joe Panella
>     *Sent:* January 26, 2021 10:32 AM
>     *To:* Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
>     <mailto:abentley at ku.edu>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu>
>     <mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
>     <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
>     *Subject:* [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life
>
>     COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ?
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>     I?ve been mentioning this to each of the sites as they call. I
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>     JP
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>     *From:* Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu
>     <mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:29 AM
>     *To:* David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu <mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>;
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>     *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life
>
>     David
>
>     I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears
>     that it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be
>     discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued
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>     I-Class Mark II (the updated version) will still continue to be
>     produced and supported.? This is the printer that most folks have
>     currently (at least we do).
>
>     So, it appears, crisis averted.? I have copied Joe from Alpha
>     Systems so he is aware.
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>     Andy
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>     Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,
>
>     While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative
>     at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the
>     popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support
>     will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences
>     they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems)
>     or Zebra brand printers?
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Dave
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From JMGAGNON at nature.ca  Wed Jan 27 08:55:02 2021
From: JMGAGNON at nature.ca (Jean-Marc Gagnon)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:55:02 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life
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Dirk,

What I did not mentioned in my response is that we do use inkjet printers for backup as well as quick prints of small quantities of labels. But they too, are subject to discontinuation and changes in market trends.

And as for my use of the word ?still?, I think it was meant to mean ?no problem so far? (other than the rather finicky initial parameter setup), knowing that these machine are somewhat complex in design.

Cheers,

Jean-Marc

From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann
Sent: January 27, 2021 4:31 AM
To: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life

Hi Andy,

my cautioning remarks were not pro/con ribbons or thermal transfer printers; as you say, this printing system (thermal transfer) works pretty well in many collections. The key question in this thread for me was the "end of life" and the necessary changes this implies - either within the same printing system, or in cases were you need to introduce a new system, because it cannot be avoided. One option could be to pre-print just a huge chunk of inventory numbers with the old (established) system and to add these together with the new labels - regardless if these new labels are produced with an entirely new printing system, or within the same system (i.e. identical printing media) but on a different printing device.

The devil is a squirrel - there might be a tiny detail that is different, even when you stay within the same system. And usually there is a strong tendency that such things become obvious always 'afterwards'. Thus it might be worth to consider precautionary steps for the transition, e.g. by taking advantage of currently established - and proofed to be reliable - printing systems and procedures. Such as the combination of Datamax printers + SDR ribbons.

Maybe I misunderstood Jean-Marc's email, but "SDR5+ CSO Resin Ribbon for Zebra), we were and are still very satisfied with the Zebra"
sounded to me like a B while he was used to a A+ from the Datamax Mark II (reading between the lines well, yes, results still good but surely not as good as with the Datamax mark II). We have a lot of labels from the 1980ies were former staff was experimenting with new labels; some of them collapse now simultaneously - because the paper itself crumbles away. Somewhere in the collection. And we have no overview which jars are affected, but of course recognise this 'after' the label has collapsed. It would have been just wonderful if they would have just included the inventory number on the superb old labels they used before.

All the best
Dirk



Am 26.01.2021 um 23:54 schrieb Bentley, Andrew Charles:
?Dirk

This printing SYSTEM (thermal transfer) is fairly ubiquitously available and there are a large number of printers and manufacturers that produce compatible printers.  This printing system is used by a large number of communities and commercial entities (airline industry for example) which negates the chances that it will become obsolete any time soon.  It is the media and ribbon combination that is the critical element here.  Again, the SDR ribbon that is chemical resistant is also ubiquitously available from multiple manufacturers.  However, the spun-bound polyester media currently in use by many collections and supplied by Alpha Systems is fairly proprietary and is the limiting factor here.  Alpha Systems has been naturally very cagey about the exact makeup of the media so as to corner the market, but a large number of collections are successfully using this system in their collections and it not outside the realm of possibility that we could find another supplier or suppliers of the media to alleviate this problem if we really tried.

Andy

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1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
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Fax: (785) 864-5335
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu><mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Dirk Neumann <neumann at snsb.de><mailto:neumann at snsb.de>
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Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:02 PM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu"<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu> <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu><mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life

Hi Jean-Marc and all,

one of the key challenges we all have to face (and to some extent have to endure) is that technological advance is an important economic driving factor. The degree of sophistication usually increases the exclusiveness (and often price) and limits or decreases the number of possible alternatives. Sadly the rate of 'advance' steadily accelerates, and finding alternatives that meet same standards and quality becomes increasingly difficult or - at some point - impossible.

Without becoming too philosophical, they key question seems to be how reliant a collection wants to be on (just) one printing system. Even reliable dinosaurs (like good old HP 600 monochrome printers) will die out, if production of cartridges is discontinued.

Thus it might be worth to use two entirely independent labelling systems (e.g. like in Paris or Brussels), not only to increase independence, but also to be able to verify efficiency and reliability of possible new alternatives in parallel with existing systems. If I remember correctly, that was one of the key recommendations during the Labelling workshop at the SPNHC conference in Leiden back in 2009.

This could include pre-printing of just continuous inventory numbers with currently used reliable labelling/printing systems if severe challenges can be expected, e.g. because printers or consumables are phased out. In this case if ribbons of labels produced with the new printer would detach, the inventory number printed with the old Datamax printer would still be in place.

Just a thought ... as we all know, current 'satisfaction' can develop into a formidable nightmare in short time  ;-)

All the best
Dirk


Am 26.01.2021 um 21:27 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon:
David?s question is very relevant, with constantly changing market and the lifespan of a printer model.

Like many, we?ve relied on the Datamax Mark II for our recent labelling needs.
Unfortunately, when we purchased 2 of those printers, one turned out to be a lemon and was never properly serviced by the provider in Canada.
This was probably (I?d like to believe) the exception in the lot, but still an expensive experience.

As a result, when I had the funds to purchase another printer, I went for a Zebra Printer, available from a well-known distributor.
I felt that for the significant difference in price (in Canada), it was worth trying something different:
ZEBRA ZT410 DIRECT THERMAL/THERMAL TRANSFER PRINTER - 600 DPI (H-5150; it is similar to the aforementioned Datamax).
But now, it is replaced by the much more expensive ZEBRA ZT610 600 DPI.

You?ll have to compare price and functionality between these Datamax and Zebra printers
Once we figured out the optimal printing setup and the fact that the rolls of ribbon and label material (from Alpha Systems) need to be wound in the correct direction (ribbon not the same as for Datamax; e.g., Part # 296833 4.33" x 1476' SDR5+ CSO Resin Ribbon for Zebra), we were and are still very satisfied with the Zebra.

So there are options available.

Jean-Marc


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From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Panella
Sent: January 26, 2021 10:32 AM
To: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu><mailto:abentley at ku.edu>; David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu><mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur.
EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender.
I?ve been mentioning this to each of the sites as they call.  I also have a replacement ready.

JP

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Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:29 AM
To: David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

David

I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears that it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.honeywellaidc.com%2Fproducts%2Fdiscontinued&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C2021fc88079846fc45c608d8c2462094%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637472953748842899%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=M8PbVzx8Qe4rc7XqH3IDP9xz93M3YA%2BBG9RMHYKrukw%3D&reserved=0> (click on printers and the I-class is about half-way down).  The I-Class Mark II (the updated version) will still continue to be produced and supported.  This is the printer that most folks have currently (at least we do).

So, it appears, crisis averted.  I have copied Joe from Alpha Systems so he is aware.

Andy

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USA

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Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,

While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems) or Zebra brand printers?

Thanks,
Dave

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From mahoneymer at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 11:25:48 2021
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Job: Digital Assets Manager & research assistant
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 The Illinois State Museum Society, Springfied, Illinois, is hiring a
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From: blayjorge at gmail.com (Jorge A. Santiago-Blay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:38:53 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Mehan Gardens - Manila, Philippines
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Mehan Gardens - Manila, Philippines

Hi:

Besides the Facebook page (or snail mail), does someone have personal
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From neumann at snsb.de  Thu Jan 28 02:47:06 2021
From: neumann at snsb.de (Dirk Neumann)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 08:47:06 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An
 observation on nomenclature
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Dear Alex and all,

maybe few cautionary remarks, even though I understand (and share) the 
huge opportunities digital specimens have and enthusiasm in this discussion.

'Digital specimens' - irrespective how they are finally defined - 
increase the visibility of these specimens, and the collections. Not 
only for researchers (our key audience), but also for others. We know, 
and the European Commission is very clear on this, that from a Nagoya / 
ABS-legislation perspective, such data on specimens is used for 
compliance check on ABS. Therefore, such systems will permit increased 
checks by national authorities on the use of specimens, as revealed by 
the data that can be retrieved. These include domestic compliance ? in 
some EU Member States, for the risk-based compliance checks of national 
authorities, databases have been set up that screen for ?uses? and 
?utilisation? of specimens in the sense of the NP ? and provider 
countries ? again, some have set up scanning systems to detect whether 
genetic resources are being used as authorised in permits. Increased 
visibility will increase the pressure on the compliance side for 
institutions ?Powered by DOI? (e.g. for CETAF members).

Speaking as co-chair of the respective Legislations & Regulations 
working groups of SPHNC and CETAF, we are not sure if currently all are 
aware and have the capacity to cope with this kind of increased ?impact 
on research? the system offers (to all users), especially as many 
collection holding institutions seem not to be fully prepared to manage 
associated legal risks, increased availability of information and 
visibility of specimens introduce.

For example, we see in some ABS contracts with certain Providing 
Countries that these require 'authorisation' before publication of data 
through national authorities or ministries, especially if "digital 
specimens" include 'Digital Sequence Information'. A condition that is 
often overlooked by respective researchers and caused some troubles with 
'publication' lately. This raises the question how contractual 
information and obligations are and can be linked with 'digital specimens'.

For an ?open Digital Specimen? the steps to determine whether a specimen 
is open (or not) prior to publication needs consideration. Under ABS 
conditions and especially in the light of the current controversial 
discussion on Digital Sequence Information (DSI) (cf. scoping study on 
the potential of a Global Multilateral Benefit Sharing Mechanisms ), 
some stakeholders and Providing Countries have a keen interest in 
governing conditions and uses of specimens stored outside their 
jurisdiction e.g. in Natural History Collections in the northern 
hemisphere. Specimen data of two major CETAF members (Kew & MNHN) have 
recently been cited in a CBD report as examples demonstrating the need 
to apply pre-CBD responsibilities for the collection holding institutions.

This issue is not academic.

Without doubt, data on digital specimens, e.g. available via platforms 
like GBIF or BOLD, will be key not only but especially for many of the 
monitoring elements under the post-2020 Global Biodiversity Framework. 
This surely is the one opportunity to boost collection, as they set the 
baselines with their specimen data for many if not most of these parameters.

However, prior to the release of such data, associated conditions for 
such specimens must be checked through the platform. If the 
responsibility for the creation of an (open) Digital Specimen ? and thus 
the correct setting of parameters ? is with the respective scientists, a 
mechanism for handling submissions must be flexible enough to avoid 
damage for the respective collection holding institutions.

All the best
Dirk



Am 22.01.2021 um 11:26 schrieb Alex Hardisty:
>
> Andy, Derek ?
>
> Thanks Mike for your remarks.
>
> On the ?twin? remark, DiSSCo has used various terms at moments in the 
> past 3 years and digital twin is the present one. My personal 
> preference is to express as follows: ?/A Digital Specimen is a digital 
> representation on the Internet (a surrogate) corresponding to an 
> //identifiable physical specimen in a natural science collection./? ? 
> a ?Specimen on the Internet? if you will.
>
> The current use of the term by DiSSCo ?twin? reflects two aspects. One 
> is a political dimension among the policy and workprogramme statements 
> of the European Commission as the EC finalises and enters into the 
> next 7-year framework programme for research, ?Horizon Europe?. Here 
> among the funding instruments and desired work focuses, the idea of 
> digital twins is prominent in the ICT domain. The other aspect relates 
> to the fact that we can foresee entirely different kinds of usages of 
> physical specimens and digital specimen data in the future. There are 
> kinds of work that can only be done based on the physical specimen, 
> such as analysing it?s chemistry. It is clear that in the future there 
> will be entirely new kinds of work that can?t be done on physical 
> specimens but which rely on the availability in digital form of data 
> derived from and related to physical specimens ? data science. To 
> extend Derek?s reference to his offspring, the twin is not identical 
> and it can have a different job to that of its sibling. 
> Extended/extendable Digital Specimen digital objects are a new 
> abstraction and this is what the consultation is principally concerned 
> with.
>
> On persistent identifiers, these are not specifically a topic of the 
> first round of consultation. It is planned to include discourse about 
> a persistent identification scheme for Digital Specimens (DS) in a 
> subsequent round planned for late Spring. To be clear again, we are 
> talking here only about persistent identification of Digital Specimen 
> digital objects and nothing else. We are not proposing to alter or 
> replace any scheme of identification (persistent or not) presently in 
> use for physical objects. PIDs for DS will sit alongside identifiers 
> of anything else and have their own role to play.
>
> In the present decade, enabled by the Internet we will enter a new era 
> of what it means to work with specimens. DiSSCo and BCoN are at the 
> forefront of thinking about that. The global team behind the coming 
> consultation wants to consult as widely as possible, taking all views 
> into account to build common understanding and direction of that future.
>
> Kind regards
>
> --
>
> Alex
>
> Alex Hardisty Alex Hardisty
>
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> *From:*Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> *Sent:* 21 January 2021 20:58
> *To:* Derek Sikes <dssikes at alaska.edu>
> *Cc:* Howe, Michael P.A. <mhowe at bgs.ac.uk>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu; 
> Alex Hardisty <HardistyAR at cardiff.ac.uk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: 
> An observation on nomenclature
>
> *External email to Cardiff University - *Take care when 
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> *Nid ebost mewnol o Brifysgol Caerdydd yw hwn - *Cymerwch ofal wrth 
> ateb/agor atodiadau neu ddolenni.
>
> Agreed.? However, the point here is that if you had a photo/x-ray, CT 
> scan and vital staistics of one of your twins, you couldn?t actually 
> get rid of the child right?
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Bentley
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> *From: *Derek Sikes <dssikes at alaska.edu <mailto:dssikes at alaska.edu>>
> *Date: *Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 1:40 PM
> *To: *Andrew Bentley <abentley at ku.edu <mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>
> *Cc: *"Howe, Michael P.A." <mhowe at bgs.ac.uk <mailto:mhowe at bgs.ac.uk>>, 
> "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>" 
> <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>, Alex 
> Hardisty <HardistyAR at cardiff.ac.uk <mailto:HardistyAR at cardiff.ac.uk>>
> *Subject: *Re: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: 
> An observation on nomenclature
>
> I'll just chime in here, as a father of identical twins, that anyone 
> who thinks the word twin means 100% identical is incorrect.
>
> -Derek
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 9:18 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles 
> <abentley at ku.edu <mailto:abentley at ku.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Michael
>
>     I agree on both counts and have indicated as much to the DiSCCCo
>     folks.? I too was worried that the word ?twin? would and could be
>     misconstrued and that the vast amount of additional information
>     provided by the specimen itself would be lost or ignored.? We have
>     struggled in the past with views that once a specimen is digitized
>     that the specimen can be discarded, and I worry that this
>     terminology simply reinforces that obviously incorrect connotation.
>
>     I also agree that the coining of a new term for persistent
>     identifiers simply muddies the water even further ? unless there
>     is something unique about PIDs that is not already conveyed by
>     existing identifiers ? which I am not sure there is.? Our
>     community has struggled with a proliferation of unique identifier
>     systems and no coalescence around a single system that works for
>     everyone.? Adding another one to the mix I fear will not solve the
>     problem but rather exacerbate it.
>
>     These are both great discussion threads that I think should be
>     mentioned during the consultation coming up.? I have copied Alex
>     Hardisty who is more involved in the DiSCCCo process that
>     developed both of these terms and may have more insights.
>
>     Thanks
>
>     Andy
>
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>
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>
>     Andy Bentley
>
>     Ichthyology Collection Manager
>
>     University of Kansas
>
>     Biodiversity Institute
>
>     Dyche Hall
>
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>
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>
>     http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu
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>     *From: *"Howe, Michael P.A." <mhowe at bgs.ac.uk
>     <mailto:mhowe at bgs.ac.uk>>
>     *Date: *Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 12:09 PM
>     *To: *Andrew Bentley <abentley at ku.edu <mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>,
>     "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>"
>     <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
>     *Subject: *Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An
>     observation on nomenclature
>
>     Dear All,
>
>     As the exciting work that many of us have been engaged in for the
>     past 10 - 20 years, to digitze our collections and thereby make
>     them more accessible, grows in support, complexity and
>     achievement, I wish to offer a warning and a comment.
>
>     I believe the term "digital twin" should be avoided and replaced
>     by "digital proxy", "digital surrogate" or just "digital
>     specimen". The word twin implies that the digital specimen is
>     absolutely identical to the physical specimen, which it is clearly
>     not. The physical specimen can subjected to new forms of physical
>     analysis and at greater resolutions, in a way that a digital
>     surrogate cannot. Also, the cynic in me knows that before long, a
>     hard pressed administrator will argue that if we have the digital
>     twin we don't need the physical twin.
>
>     I am also concerned with the use of the term PID - persistent
>     identifiers. Collections have been using persistent identifiers -
>     unique registration numbers - for over two hundred years (and the
>     British Geological Survey since 1849). Actionable or executable
>     persistent identifiers are a vital tool for linking to objects,?
>     but are a very much newer concept. It seems disingenuous of data
>     scientists not to acknowledge two centuries of good practice (and
>     all the hard work of curators and registrars) and instead use an
>     acronym such as EPID or APID?
>
>     Any thoughts?
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Mike Howe
>
>     Chief Curator, British Geological Survey
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     *From:*Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu
>     <mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> on behalf of Bentley,
>     Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu <mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>
>     *Sent:* 21 January 2021 16:09
>     *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
>     <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu><nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
>     <mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>>
>     *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] Consultation on Converging Digital and
>     Extended Specimens: Towards a global specification for data
>     integration
>
>     Dear all,
>
>     Over the past year several exciting conversations about the
>     possibilities of digital representations of the billions of
>     specimens currently held in the world?s natural history
>     collections. Two concepts?the Digital Specimen
>     <https://dissco.tech/2020/03/31/what-is-a-digital-specimen/>proposed
>     by the Distributed System of Scientific Collections
>     <https://www.dissco.eu/>(DiSSCo) in Europe and the Extended
>     Specimen
>     <https://www.idigbio.org/sites/default/files/sites/default/files/BCoN/Extending-Biodiversity-Collections-Full-Report%282%29.pdf>emerging
>     from the Biological Collections Network
>     <https://bcon.aibs.org/>(BCoN) in the United States?are now
>     aligning towards a shared vision that connects all information
>     related to a specimen, creating in effect ?digital twins? for the
>     materials held in scientific collections.
>
>     Plans for the
>     /alliance/<https://www.allianceforbio.org/>consultation on
>     Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global
>     specification for data integration
>     <https://www.allianceforbio.org/post/converging-digital-and-extended-specimens-towards-a-global-specification-for-data-integration>?are
>     progressing well.
>
>     Beginning in February, the consultation
>     <http://bit.ly/esdsconsult>will seek to engage the wider community
>     on a handful of topics that have technical, financial, social,
>     governance and professional implications that require broader
>     discussion and consensus. The consultation aims to expand
>     participation in the process, build support for further
>     collaboration, identify key use cases, and develop an initial
>     roadmap for community adoption and implementation.
>
>     GBIF, DiSCCo, iDigBio, ALA, and the Biodiversity Collections
>     Network (BCoN), among others, invite you to register for one of
>     the two virtual opening sessions that will be held on February 16
>     by following the links below and then to become involved in the
>     Discourse consultation discussion process.
>
>     *Session 1 6:00 UTC*
>     <https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZcodemvrD0vHdXJqojDgS3KACD8bbXorB-D>
>
>     *Session 2 15:00 UTC*
>     <https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZwkf-2rrTkjE9zZIWu18G3DgDUHAGSyELz1>
>
>     The GBIF community forum landing page for the consultation
>     <https://discourse.gbif.org/t/about-the-digital-extended-specimen-category/2394>?is
>     also now live.? This page will hold guidance on the consultation
>     process with links to the discussion threads.? Please see links on
>     the landing page to more background documents. If you are a new
>     user of the GBIF community forum you will need to register.
>
>     The organizers are excited by the large attendance at recent
>     related events and expect a thoughtful and robust consultation.
>
>     Thanks
>
>     Andy (on behalf of BCoN)
>
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>
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>
>     V?????????????????? V????????????????? V
>
>     Andy Bentley
>
>     Ichthyology Collection Manager
>
>     University of Kansas
>
>     Biodiversity Institute
>
>     Dyche Hall
>
>     1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
>
>     Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
>
>     USA
>
>     Tel: (785) 864-3863
>
>     Fax: (785) 864-5335
>
>     Email: abentley at ku.edu <mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
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From MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it  Thu Jan 28 05:26:13 2021
From: MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it (Maria Chiara Deflorian)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 10:26:13 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] cited and figured fossils
Message-ID: <HE1PR05MB4522AF9F40F15C20E74F2C98FFBA9@HE1PR05MB4522.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Dear all,

our collections catalogue are now migrating to a new management system, so we?re working on mapping from the old ?home-made? to the new system.
I would like to know in which field you put the information ?cited? or ?figured? for fossils.
In the old system we put this information in the ?Type status? field, but I know is not so a good place for it.

Do you have any suggestion for me?
Many thanks

MariaChiara


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Maria Chiara Deflorian
Tecnico specialista delle collezioni
Collections manager

Museo delle Scienze
Corso del Lavoro e della Scienza, 3
I - 38122 TRENTO (Italy)
www.muse.it <http://www.muse.it/>


T: +39 0461 270 340  (desk 0461 270 311)




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From tschioette at snm.ku.dk  Thu Jan 28 06:04:30 2021
From: tschioette at snm.ku.dk (=?utf-8?B?VG9tIFNjaGnDuHR0ZQ==?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 11:04:30 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] cited and figured fossils
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Message-ID: <8c3e9a80afc14acba85224876f686c37@snm.ku.dk>

Depends on what system you are migrating to. In Copenhagen we use Specify. Which one do you migrate to?

Tom Schi?tte

Collection manager, Echinodermata & Mollusca
Natural History Museum of Denmark (Zoology)
Universitetsparken 15
DK 2100 Copenhagen OE

+45 35 32 10 48
TSchioette at snm.ku.dk<mailto:TSchioette at snm.ku.dk>


From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Maria Chiara Deflorian
Sent: 28. januar 2021 11:26
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] cited and figured fossils

Dear all,

our collections catalogue are now migrating to a new management system, so we?re working on mapping from the old ?home-made? to the new system.
I would like to know in which field you put the information ?cited? or ?figured? for fossils.
In the old system we put this information in the ?Type status? field, but I know is not so a good place for it.

Do you have any suggestion for me?
Many thanks

MariaChiara


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Maria Chiara Deflorian
Tecnico specialista delle collezioni
Collections manager


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I - 38122 TRENTO (Italy)
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From MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it  Thu Jan 28 07:03:13 2021
From: MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it (Maria Chiara Deflorian)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 12:03:13 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] R: cited and figured fossils
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Right consideration, Tom; I add some details.
We?re migrating to a new software, it calls Museum Comwork.
It was originally developed for art and history, we are now working together with the software house to implement the system for natural history collections, so we have the possibility to add new fields if necessary.
Hope this information could clarify our situation,

Thanks
MariaChiara

Da: Tom Schi?tte <tschioette at snm.ku.dk>
Inviato: gioved? 28 gennaio 2021 12:05
A: Maria Chiara Deflorian <MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Oggetto: RE: cited and figured fossils

Depends on what system you are migrating to. In Copenhagen we use Specify. Which one do you migrate to?

Tom Schi?tte

Collection manager, Echinodermata & Mollusca
Natural History Museum of Denmark (Zoology)
Universitetsparken 15
DK 2100 Copenhagen OE

+45 35 32 10 48
TSchioette at snm.ku.dk<mailto:TSchioette at snm.ku.dk>


From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Maria Chiara Deflorian
Sent: 28. januar 2021 11:26
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] cited and figured fossils

Dear all,

our collections catalogue are now migrating to a new management system, so we?re working on mapping from the old ?home-made? to the new system.
I would like to know in which field you put the information ?cited? or ?figured? for fossils.
In the old system we put this information in the ?Type status? field, but I know is not so a good place for it.

Do you have any suggestion for me?
Many thanks

MariaChiara


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Maria Chiara Deflorian
Tecnico specialista delle collezioni
Collections manager

Museo delle Scienze
Corso del Lavoro e della Scienza, 3
I - 38122 TRENTO (Italy)
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From prc44 at drexel.edu  Thu Jan 28 08:00:27 2021
From: prc44 at drexel.edu (Callomon,Paul)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:00:27 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] cited and figured fossils
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Hi Maria,

The fields "type" and "cited" should be separate, as a specimen can be a type without having been specifically cited or figured. We have many types that were purchased from Sowerby and Fulton, for example, that are definitely part of the type series but were not figured or specifically cited in the original description. Another example is where an author such as Thomas Say said "types in the Academy's collection" and we have two of his lots; both are presumably types, but neither is specifically cited or figured.

Paul Callomon MSc
Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates
________________________________
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1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Maria Chiara Deflorian
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 7:03 AM
To: Tom Schi?tte <tschioette at snm.ku.dk>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] R: cited and figured fossils


External.
Right consideration, Tom; I add some details.
We're migrating to a new software, it calls Museum Comwork.
It was originally developed for art and history, we are now working together with the software house to implement the system for natural history collections, so we have the possibility to add new fields if necessary.
Hope this information could clarify our situation,

Thanks
MariaChiara

Da: Tom Schi?tte <tschioette at snm.ku.dk<mailto:tschioette at snm.ku.dk>>
Inviato: gioved? 28 gennaio 2021 12:05
A: Maria Chiara Deflorian <MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it<mailto:MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it>>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Oggetto: RE: cited and figured fossils

Depends on what system you are migrating to. In Copenhagen we use Specify. Which one do you migrate to?

Tom Schi?tte

Collection manager, Echinodermata & Mollusca
Natural History Museum of Denmark (Zoology)
Universitetsparken 15
DK 2100 Copenhagen OE

+45 35 32 10 48
TSchioette at snm.ku.dk<mailto:TSchioette at snm.ku.dk>


From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Maria Chiara Deflorian
Sent: 28. januar 2021 11:26
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] cited and figured fossils

Dear all,

our collections catalogue are now migrating to a new management system, so we're working on mapping from the old "home-made" to the new system.
I would like to know in which field you put the information "cited" or "figured" for fossils.
In the old system we put this information in the "Type status" field, but I know is not so a good place for it.

Do you have any suggestion for me?
Many thanks

MariaChiara


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Tecnico specialista delle collezioni
Collections manager

Museo delle Scienze
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From tschioette at snm.ku.dk  Thu Jan 28 09:25:33 2021
From: tschioette at snm.ku.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom_Schi=F8tte?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 14:25:33 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] cited and figured fossils
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Continuing along Paul's line: Specify (and various other systems) have fields connected with the specimen record for citation of literature (both a short field for the citation, a checkmark for if there are illustrations in the citation, and a remarks field).

In addition there is another group of fields, connected with identification of the specimen(s) in question, where type status, citation of original descriptions, lectotype designations and so on can be entered. These latter fields are, so to say, not specifically thought as citations of the specimen, but rather of the name/species it has been determined/described as.

Cheers

Tom

Tom Schi?tte

Collection manager, Echinodermata & Mollusca
Natural History Museum of Denmark (Zoology)
Universitetsparken 15
DK 2100 Copenhagen OE

+45 35 32 10 48
TSchioette at snm.ku.dk<mailto:TSchioette at snm.ku.dk>


From: Callomon,Paul <prc44 at drexel.edu>
Sent: 28. januar 2021 14:00
To: Maria Chiara Deflorian <MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it>; Tom Schi?tte <tschioette at snm.ku.dk>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: RE: cited and figured fossils

Hi Maria,

The fields "type" and "cited" should be separate, as a specimen can be a type without having been specifically cited or figured. We have many types that were purchased from Sowerby and Fulton, for example, that are definitely part of the type series but were not figured or specifically cited in the original description. Another example is where an author such as Thomas Say said "types in the Academy's collection" and we have two of his lots; both are presumably types, but neither is specifically cited or figured.

Paul Callomon MSc
Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates
________________________________
Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia
1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA
prc44 at drexel.edu<mailto:prc44 at drexel.edu> Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170



From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Maria Chiara Deflorian
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 7:03 AM
To: Tom Schi?tte <tschioette at snm.ku.dk<mailto:tschioette at snm.ku.dk>>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] R: cited and figured fossils


External.

Right consideration, Tom; I add some details.
We're migrating to a new software, it calls Museum Comwork.
It was originally developed for art and history, we are now working together with the software house to implement the system for natural history collections, so we have the possibility to add new fields if necessary.
Hope this information could clarify our situation,

Thanks
MariaChiara

Da: Tom Schi?tte <tschioette at snm.ku.dk<mailto:tschioette at snm.ku.dk>>
Inviato: gioved? 28 gennaio 2021 12:05
A: Maria Chiara Deflorian <MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it<mailto:MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it>>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Oggetto: RE: cited and figured fossils

Depends on what system you are migrating to. In Copenhagen we use Specify. Which one do you migrate to?

Tom Schi?tte

Collection manager, Echinodermata & Mollusca
Natural History Museum of Denmark (Zoology)
Universitetsparken 15
DK 2100 Copenhagen OE

+45 35 32 10 48
TSchioette at snm.ku.dk<mailto:TSchioette at snm.ku.dk>


From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Maria Chiara Deflorian
Sent: 28. januar 2021 11:26
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] cited and figured fossils

Dear all,

our collections catalogue are now migrating to a new management system, so we're working on mapping from the old "home-made" to the new system.
I would like to know in which field you put the information "cited" or "figured" for fossils.
In the old system we put this information in the "Type status" field, but I know is not so a good place for it.

Do you have any suggestion for me?
Many thanks

MariaChiara


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Maria Chiara Deflorian
Tecnico specialista delle collezioni
Collections manager


Museo delle Scienze
Corso del Lavoro e della Scienza, 3
I - 38122 TRENTO (Italy)
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From abentley at ku.edu  Thu Jan 28 09:59:12 2021
From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 14:59:12 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] cited and figured fossils
Message-ID: <B09F4F1E-811F-467A-94C0-08C0EBF3E97F@ku.edu>

Maria

I would encourage you to take a look at the Darwin Core schema to get an idea of the best way to parse and store this and other information associated with natural history collections.  Sharing your data with the outside world is very advantageous and as such you need to ensure that you are able to share your data effectively with the correct fields, standards and best practices.

https://dwc.tdwg.org/terms/

Andy

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University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
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Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Maria Chiara Deflorian <MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it>
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:26 AM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] cited and figured fossils

Dear all,

our collections catalogue are now migrating to a new management system, so we?re working on mapping from the old ?home-made? to the new system.
I would like to know in which field you put the information ?cited? or ?figured? for fossils.
In the old system we put this information in the ?Type status? field, but I know is not so a good place for it.

Do you have any suggestion for me?
Many thanks

MariaChiara


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From cmd7 at cornell.edu  Thu Jan 28 13:03:17 2021
From: cmd7 at cornell.edu (Charles M. Dardia)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 18:03:17 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] FedEx ACE memo
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I just saw a FedEx regulatory email saying effective 25 January 2021 all USDA regulated imports will  require electronic ACE submission. They also mention there is no longer a de minimis exemption.  Does this really change anything surrounding imports?  Doesn't FedEx turn documents (permits) over to FTN to complete the entry?

Charles

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From adeans at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 13:06:21 2021
From: adeans at gmail.com (Andy Deans)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:06:21 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] insect pins
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Hi all,

There was some chatter recently on the Entomological Collections Network
listerv about which insect pin is best - brand, style, etc. My colleague
and I are following up with a short survey about insect pins, the results
of which will inform some tests we are designing with engineers at Penn
State. Do you have a specific pin type you want to test? Let us know!

survey link:
https://forms.gle/RA4gzhUiUvR4bLn4A

We're also happy to receive samples of pins for testing (especially no. 2
size) - even just a couple pins - as this will increase the number of
replicates and will hopefully represent different dates of manufacture for
the pins we already have. We *really* need no. 2 stainless steel Elephant
brand pins, which I know are more precious than gold. Any leads are
appreciated!

Andy Deans and Laura Porturas
Frost Entomological Museum
Penn State

shipping:

Frost Entomological Museum
c/o Laura Porturas
Department of Entomology
501 ASI Building
Penn State
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From abentley at ku.edu  Thu Jan 28 14:27:08 2021
From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 19:27:08 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life
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?Dirk

My point was that Datamax already has a new product that will replace the end-of-life product and function much the same way and with the same materials and process so the chances that these printers will end of life with no replacement or alternative is extremely slim given the high use by such a wide range of user groups.

Attached are the new printers that are due to replace the I-Class Mark I and II at some point.  The PM43 is the lower end printer while the PX940 is a higher end variety.

Andy

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1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
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From: Dirk Neumann <neumann at snsb.de>
Reply-To: "neumann at snsb.de" <neumann at snsb.de>
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:31 AM
To: Andrew Bentley <abentley at ku.edu>, "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life

Hi Andy,

my cautioning remarks were not pro/con ribbons or thermal transfer printers; as you say, this printing system (thermal transfer) works pretty well in many collections. The key question in this thread for me was the "end of life" and the necessary changes this implies - either within the same printing system, or in cases were you need to introduce a new system, because it cannot be avoided. One option could be to pre-print just a huge chunk of inventory numbers with the old (established) system and to add these together with the new labels - regardless if these new labels are produced with an entirely new printing system, or within the same system (i.e. identical printing media) but on a different printing device.

The devil is a squirrel - there might be a tiny detail that is different, even when you stay within the same system. And usually there is a strong tendency that such things become obvious always 'afterwards'. Thus it might be worth to consider precautionary steps for the transition, e.g. by taking advantage of currently established - and proofed to be reliable - printing systems and procedures. Such as the combination of Datamax printers + SDR ribbons.

Maybe I misunderstood Jean-Marc's email, but "SDR5+ CSO Resin Ribbon for Zebra), we were and are still very satisfied with the Zebra"
sounded to me like a B while he was used to a A+ from the Datamax Mark II (reading between the lines well, yes, results still good but surely not as good as with the Datamax mark II). We have a lot of labels from the 1980ies were former staff was experimenting with new labels; some of them collapse now simultaneously - because the paper itself crumbles away. Somewhere in the collection. And we have no overview which jars are affected, but of course recognise this 'after' the label has collapsed. It would have been just wonderful if they would have just included the inventory number on the superb old labels they used before.

All the best
Dirk



Am 26.01.2021 um 23:54 schrieb Bentley, Andrew Charles:
Dirk

This printing SYSTEM (thermal transfer) is fairly ubiquitously available and there are a large number of printers and manufacturers that produce compatible printers.  This printing system is used by a large number of communities and commercial entities (airline industry for example) which negates the chances that it will become obsolete any time soon.  It is the media and ribbon combination that is the critical element here.  Again, the SDR ribbon that is chemical resistant is also ubiquitously available from multiple manufacturers.  However, the spun-bound polyester media currently in use by many collections and supplied by Alpha Systems is fairly proprietary and is the limiting factor here.  Alpha Systems has been naturally very cagey about the exact makeup of the media so as to corner the market, but a large number of collections are successfully using this system in their collections and it not outside the realm of possibility that we could find another supplier or suppliers of the media to alleviate this problem if we really tried.

Andy

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu><mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Dirk Neumann <neumann at snsb.de><mailto:neumann at snsb.de>
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Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:02 PM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu"<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu> <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu><mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: Datamax end of life

Hi Jean-Marc and all,

one of the key challenges we all have to face (and to some extent have to endure) is that technological advance is an important economic driving factor. The degree of sophistication usually increases the exclusiveness (and often price) and limits or decreases the number of possible alternatives. Sadly the rate of 'advance' steadily accelerates, and finding alternatives that meet same standards and quality becomes increasingly difficult or - at some point - impossible.

Without becoming too philosophical, they key question seems to be how reliant a collection wants to be on (just) one printing system. Even reliable dinosaurs (like good old HP 600 monochrome printers) will die out, if production of cartridges is discontinued.

Thus it might be worth to use two entirely independent labelling systems (e.g. like in Paris or Brussels), not only to increase independence, but also to be able to verify efficiency and reliability of possible new alternatives in parallel with existing systems. If I remember correctly, that was one of the key recommendations during the Labelling workshop at the SPNHC conference in Leiden back in 2009.

This could include pre-printing of just continuous inventory numbers with currently used reliable labelling/printing systems if severe challenges can be expected, e.g. because printers or consumables are phased out. In this case if ribbons of labels produced with the new printer would detach, the inventory number printed with the old Datamax printer would still be in place.

Just a thought ... as we all know, current 'satisfaction' can develop into a formidable nightmare in short time  ;-)

All the best
Dirk


Am 26.01.2021 um 21:27 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon:
David?s question is very relevant, with constantly changing market and the lifespan of a printer model.

Like many, we?ve relied on the Datamax Mark II for our recent labelling needs.
Unfortunately, when we purchased 2 of those printers, one turned out to be a lemon and was never properly serviced by the provider in Canada.
This was probably (I?d like to believe) the exception in the lot, but still an expensive experience.

As a result, when I had the funds to purchase another printer, I went for a Zebra Printer, available from a well-known distributor.
I felt that for the significant difference in price (in Canada), it was worth trying something different:
ZEBRA ZT410 DIRECT THERMAL/THERMAL TRANSFER PRINTER - 600 DPI (H-5150; it is similar to the aforementioned Datamax).
But now, it is replaced by the much more expensive ZEBRA ZT610 600 DPI.

You?ll have to compare price and functionality between these Datamax and Zebra printers
Once we figured out the optimal printing setup and the fact that the rolls of ribbon and label material (from Alpha Systems) need to be wound in the correct direction (ribbon not the same as for Datamax; e.g., Part # 296833 4.33" x 1476' SDR5+ CSO Resin Ribbon for Zebra), we were and are still very satisfied with the Zebra.

So there are options available.

Jean-Marc


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From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Panella
Sent: January 26, 2021 10:32 AM
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I?ve been mentioning this to each of the sites as they call.  I also have a replacement ready.

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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

David

I just spoke with a representative from Honeywell and it appears that it is only the I-Class Mark I printer that is scheduled to be discontinued - https://www.honeywellaidc.com/products/discontinued<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.honeywellaidc.com%2Fproducts%2Fdiscontinued&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C0cd2f09be9d14e82121808d8c2a63f0d%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637473366612317252%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4D%2BnHG79P3M2X4E99o%2BiKEpzXAQgVAyn5Z6rxyvwDT0%3D&reserved=0> (click on printers and the I-class is about half-way down).  The I-Class Mark II (the updated version) will still continue to be produced and supported.  This is the printer that most folks have currently (at least we do).

So, it appears, crisis averted.  I have copied Joe from Alpha Systems so he is aware.

Andy

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1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
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USA

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Fax: (785) 864-5335
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> on behalf of David Boyd <dboyd10 at lsu.edu<mailto:dboyd10 at lsu.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:54 AM
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Datamax end of life

Greetings, thermal transfer afficionados,

While shopping for a new printer, I was told by a representative at Alpha Systems that Honeywell will discontinue production of the popular I-class Datamax series at the end of this year. Support will continue for 5 years. Has anyone had good or bad experiences they could share with the CAB Squix (recommended by Alpha Systems) or Zebra brand printers?

Thanks,
Dave

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Louisiana State University Museum of Natural Science
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Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage
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Tel: 089 / 8107-111
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Postanschrift:

Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns
Zoologische Staatssammlung M?nchen
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M?nchhausenstr. 21
81247 M?nchen

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Tel: +49-89-8107-111
Fax: +49-89-8107-300
neumann(a)snsb.de

postal address:

Bavarian Natural History Collections
The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology
Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage
Muenchhausenstr. 21
81247 Munich (Germany)

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From CullenCobbK at si.edu  Thu Jan 28 15:20:38 2021
From: CullenCobbK at si.edu (Cullen Cobb, Kim)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 20:20:38 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Collections Lit Club- January meetup!
Message-ID: <MN2PR12MB44056CEA4634E3667DC75551C0BA9@MN2PR12MB4405.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

I am writing to let you know that I will unfortunately not be able to attend the Meetup today.

With apologies
Kim
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From bayshark at exemail.com.au  Thu Jan 28 19:16:34 2021
From: bayshark at exemail.com.au (bayshark at exemail.com.au)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 11:16:34 +1100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] insect pins
In-Reply-To: <CA+cpwrSkHCb35sfNugo3rciJr+0LT4N9YyPAXz+J6UvHWT+vFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+cpwrSkHCb35sfNugo3rciJr+0LT4N9YyPAXz+J6UvHWT+vFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76CA6CEEF33D4665ADACC8B8DB503887@RicardoPC>

Hi

 

Last 10 years I am using magnificent Czech pins from Zdenek KOSTAL email
zd.kostal at tiscali.cz

 

At around $6.00 per 100 with shipping, they are reasonably priced.



 

Regards

 

Vratislav 

 

 

  _____  

From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Andy
Deans
Sent: Friday, 29 January 2021 5:06 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] insect pins

 

Hi all,

There was some chatter recently on the Entomological Collections Network
listerv about which insect pin is best - brand, style, etc. My colleague and
I are following up with a short survey about insect pins, the results of
which will inform some tests we are designing with engineers at Penn State.
Do you have a specific pin type you want to test? Let us know! 

 

survey link:
https://forms.gle/RA4gzhUiUvR4bLn4A

We're also happy to receive samples of pins for testing (especially no. 2
size) - even just a couple pins - as this will increase the number of
replicates and will hopefully represent different dates of manufacture for
the pins we already have. We *really* need no. 2 stainless steel Elephant
brand pins, which I know are more precious than gold. Any leads are
appreciated! 

Andy Deans and Laura Porturas
Frost Entomological Museum
Penn State

shipping:

Frost Entomological Museum
c/o Laura Porturas
Department of Entomology
501 ASI Building
Penn State
University Park, PA 16802

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From Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee  Fri Jan 29 01:16:08 2021
From: Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee (Lennart Lennuk)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 06:16:08 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] insect pins
In-Reply-To: <76CA6CEEF33D4665ADACC8B8DB503887@RicardoPC>
References: <CA+cpwrSkHCb35sfNugo3rciJr+0LT4N9YyPAXz+J6UvHWT+vFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <76CA6CEEF33D4665ADACC8B8DB503887@RicardoPC>
Message-ID: <e67078b6972b4ae3a2757bbcba8c91df@loodusmuuseum.ee>

Our museum is using Entosphinx needles:
http://www.entosphinx.cz/en/7-entomolog-spendl-nerez

Best regards,
Lennart Lennuk
Head of collections
Estonian Museum of Natural History
+372 5656 9916


From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of bayshark at exemail.com.au
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 2:17 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] insect pins

Hi

Last 10 years I am using magnificent Czech pins from Zdenek KOSTAL email  zd.kostal at tiscali.cz<mailto:zd.kostal at tiscali.cz>

At around $6.00 per 100 with shipping, they are reasonably priced.
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Regards

Vratislav


________________________________
From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Deans
Sent: Friday, 29 January 2021 5:06 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] insect pins

Hi all,

There was some chatter recently on the Entomological Collections Network listerv about which insect pin is best - brand, style, etc. My colleague and I are following up with a short survey about insect pins, the results of which will inform some tests we are designing with engineers at Penn State. Do you have a specific pin type you want to test? Let us know!

survey link:
https://forms.gle/RA4gzhUiUvR4bLn4A

We're also happy to receive samples of pins for testing (especially no. 2 size) - even just a couple pins - as this will increase the number of replicates and will hopefully represent different dates of manufacture for the pins we already have. We *really* need no. 2 stainless steel Elephant brand pins, which I know are more precious than gold. Any leads are appreciated!

Andy Deans and Laura Porturas
Frost Entomological Museum
Penn State

shipping:

Frost Entomological Museum
c/o Laura Porturas
Department of Entomology
501 ASI Building
Penn State
University Park, PA 16802
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From neumann at snsb.de  Fri Jan 29 02:57:47 2021
From: neumann at snsb.de (Dirk Neumann)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 08:57:47 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] FedEx ACE memo
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR04MB6253A9F152851AEEE7AB2FAC88BA9@MN2PR04MB6253.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR04MB6253A9F152851AEEE7AB2FAC88BA9@MN2PR04MB6253.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4fb938ff-dedb-8357-a99a-151edd33ed77@snsb.de>

Dear Charles,

US colleagues reported on import issues linked with USFWS clearance and 
issuing of ACEs in our last virtual meeting of the legislation & 
regulation committee meeting two weeks ago. The FedEx air hub in 
Memphis, respectively individual interpretations of officers in charge 
seem to add to the problem, but currently we have no clear picture on 
the issue (seems to be a multilayered problem).

As we planned to launch a feedback call via the NHColl list anyway, your 
post is a perfect opportunity to pick this up. Could you please put the 
main points in a separate doc together and email this to Stephanie 
Carson and me? We will circulate a call to collect more information on 
currently faced import issues to the US ( FWS, DOT, USDA etc. ) shortly.

All the best
Dirk


Am 28.01.2021 um 19:03 schrieb Charles M. Dardia:
>
> I just saw a FedEx regulatory email saying effective 25 January 2021 
> all USDA regulated imports will require electronic ACE submission. 
> They also mention there is no longer a de minimis exemption.? Does 
> this really change anything surrounding imports?? Doesn?t FedEx turn 
> documents (permits) over to FTN to complete the entry?
>
> Charles
>
> Charles M. Dardia
>
> Collections Manager
>
> Cornell Museum of Vertebrates
>
> 159 Sapsucker Woods Road
>
> Ithaca, NY 14850
>
> (607) 254-2161
>
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Tel: 089 / 8107-111
Fax: 089 / 8107-300
neumann(a)snsb.de

Postanschrift:

Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns
Zoologische Staatssammlung M?nchen
Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Storage
M?nchhausenstr. 21
81247 M?nchen

Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung:
http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/

---------

Dirk Neumann

Tel: +49-89-8107-111
Fax: +49-89-8107-300
neumann(a)snsb.de

postal address:

Bavarian Natural History Collections
The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology
Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage
Muenchhausenstr. 21
81247 Munich (Germany)

Visit our section at:
http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/

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From jutta.buschbom at statistical-genetics.de  Fri Jan 29 04:28:30 2021
From: jutta.buschbom at statistical-genetics.de (Jutta Buschbom)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 10:28:30 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] cited and figured fossils
In-Reply-To: <B09F4F1E-811F-467A-94C0-08C0EBF3E97F@ku.edu>
References: <B09F4F1E-811F-467A-94C0-08C0EBF3E97F@ku.edu>
Message-ID: <0c9b8177-c518-ca38-b36a-a06c10130e2c@statistical-genetics.de>

Dear Maria,

adding to Andy's reply pointing you to the Darwin Core schema, I found 
it helpful to look at the structure of the related "Access to Biological 
Collection Data" (ABCD) schema.
https://www.tdwg.org/standards/abcd/

It's hierarchical structure helps me to understand, which fields are 
associated with a specific topic, eg. the identification of a specimen, 
its citations, as Tom Schi?tte differentiated or also the taxonomy of 
its name.

For this, I find working with this list the easiest:
https://terms.tdwg.org/wiki/ABCD_2_XPath_to_Short_Name_Mapping
It directly provides you with the links to the definitions of the fields.

See for example the sets of fields associated with :
/DataSets/DataSet/Units/Unit/UnitReferences
(for storing information about publications that cited the record) and
/DataSets/DataSet/Units/Unit/Identifications
with TaxonIdentified (taxonomic information, including type information) 
and Identifiers (the person who id'ed the specimen).

Currently the ABCD standard is between versions. The new version, ABCD 
3.0, already exists, though has not been ratified yet, as far as I 
understand. Thus, when you are interested in specific fields, you might 
want to check if they have been modified in the new version here:
https://abcd.tdwg.org/xml/documentation/changes/

Best wishes,

Jutta




Statistical Genetics

Dr. Jutta Buschbom
Gerhart-Hauptmann-Strasse 35
22926 Ahrensburg
Germany

+49 (0)4102 459264
jutta.buschbom at statistical-genetics.de
https://statistical-genetics.com

[first name][last name]
she|her



On 28.01.21 15:59, Bentley, Andrew Charles wrote:
> Maria
> 
> I would encourage you to take a look at the Darwin Core schema to get an 
> idea of the best way to parse and store this and other information 
> associated with natural history collections.? Sharing your data with the 
> outside world is very advantageous and as such you need to ensure that 
> you are able to share your data effectively with the correct fields, 
> standards and best practices.
> 
> https://dwc.tdwg.org/terms/ <https://dwc.tdwg.org/terms/>
> 
> Andy
> 
>  ???? A? :??????????????? A? :?????????????? A? :
> 
>  ?}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?>
> 
>  ???? V?????????????????? V????????????????? V
> 
> Andy Bentley
> 
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> 
> University of Kansas
> 
> Biodiversity Institute
> 
> Dyche Hall
> 
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> 
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> 
> USA
> 
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
> 
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
> 
> Email: abentley at ku.edu <mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
> 
> http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu 
> <http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>
> 
>  ???? A? :??????????????? A? :??????????????? A? :
> 
>  ?}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?>
> 
>  ???? V?????????????????? V?????????????????? V
> 
> *From: *Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Maria 
> Chiara Deflorian <MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it>
> *Date: *Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:26 AM
> *To: *"nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> *Subject: *[Nhcoll-l] cited and figured fossils
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> our collections catalogue are now migrating to a new management system, 
> so we?re working on mapping from the old ?home-made? to the new system.
> 
> I would like to know in which field you put the information ?cited? or 
> ?figured? for fossils.
> 
> In the old system we put this information in the ?Type status? field, 
> but I know is not so a good place for it.
> 
> Do you have any suggestion for me?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> MariaChiara
> 
> 	
> 
> **
> 
> Maria Chiara Deflorian
> 
> Tecnico specialista delle collezioni
> 
> /Collections manager/
> 
> Museo delle Scienze
> 
> Corso del Lavoro e della Scienza, 3
> 
> I - 38122 TRENTO (Italy)
> 
> www.muse.it 
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.muse.it%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7Cee8b5a6e7af0432a521708d8c37729a9%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637474263868792440%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=rRU%2BgprfaLjR291StG%2Fqu9Nq6zKqTpcKTTStEfhNjP4%3D&reserved=0>
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From MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it  Fri Jan 29 07:51:07 2021
From: MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it (Maria Chiara Deflorian)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 12:51:07 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] R:  cited and figured fossils
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Thank you for all your useful suggestions.
I think we will put the "cited" and "figured" information inside the set of fields associated with bibliography/references, actually proper (I don't know why, but I didn't realize before...)

Andy, we have already taken them into account the DwC standards in defining the list of our fields, I appreciate them and I know that this is really important to be able to share our data, which is what we want to get to. We will include in the system the possibility to export the data according to DwC standard, hoping it helps us to make collections more accessible.

Thanks also to Jutta, I examined also ABCD schema some time ago, but not so deeply. With the information you gave me I will check it better.

Best wishes
MariaChiara

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Da: Jutta Buschbom <jutta.buschbom at statistical-genetics.de>
Inviato: venerd? 29 gennaio 2021 10:29
A: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu; Maria Chiara Deflorian <MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it>
Oggetto: Re: [Nhcoll-l] cited and figured fossils

Dear Maria,

adding to Andy's reply pointing you to the Darwin Core schema, I found it helpful to look at the structure of the related "Access to Biological Collection Data" (ABCD) schema.
https://www.tdwg.org/standards/abcd/

It's hierarchical structure helps me to understand, which fields are associated with a specific topic, eg. the identification of a specimen, its citations, as Tom Schi?tte differentiated or also the taxonomy of its name.

For this, I find working with this list the easiest:
https://terms.tdwg.org/wiki/ABCD_2_XPath_to_Short_Name_Mapping
It directly provides you with the links to the definitions of the fields.

See for example the sets of fields associated with :
/DataSets/DataSet/Units/Unit/UnitReferences
(for storing information about publications that cited the record) and /DataSets/DataSet/Units/Unit/Identifications
with TaxonIdentified (taxonomic information, including type information) and Identifiers (the person who id'ed the specimen).

Currently the ABCD standard is between versions. The new version, ABCD 3.0, already exists, though has not been ratified yet, as far as I understand. Thus, when you are interested in specific fields, you might want to check if they have been modified in the new version here:
https://abcd.tdwg.org/xml/documentation/changes/

Best wishes,

Jutta




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On 28.01.21 15:59, Bentley, Andrew Charles wrote:
> Maria
>
> I would encourage you to take a look at the Darwin Core schema to get
> an idea of the best way to parse and store this and other information
> associated with natural history collections.  Sharing your data with
> the outside world is very advantageous and as such you need to ensure
> that you are able to share your data effectively with the correct
> fields, standards and best practices.
>
> https://dwc.tdwg.org/terms/ <https://dwc.tdwg.org/terms/>
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> Andy
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> Andy Bentley
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> *From: *Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of
> Maria Chiara Deflorian <MariaChiara.Deflorian at muse.it>
> *Date: *Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:26 AM
> *To: *"nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> *Subject: *[Nhcoll-l] cited and figured fossils
>
> Dear all,
>
> our collections catalogue are now migrating to a new management
> system, so we?re working on mapping from the old ?home-made? to the new system.
>
> I would like to know in which field you put the information ?cited? or
> ?figured? for fossils.
>
> In the old system we put this information in the ?Type status? field,
> but I know is not so a good place for it.
>
> Do you have any suggestion for me?
>
> Many thanks
>
> MariaChiara
>
>
>
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