From prc44 at drexel.edu Tue Jun 1 12:22:16 2021 From: prc44 at drexel.edu (Callomon,Paul) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 16:22:16 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Old slides Message-ID: Folks, Can anyone recommend how-to guides to assessing and triaging antique microscope slides? I have a ton of them to deal with right now. I need to know how best to clean and store them, how to revive (if possible) hardened fixatives, etc. These are mostly polychaete and other worm samples, including sections and jaw parts, and are anything from 50 to 140 years old. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simmons.johne at gmail.com Tue Jun 1 12:28:52 2021 From: simmons.johne at gmail.com (John E Simmons) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 12:28:52 -0400 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Old slides In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul, A couple references on this topic that I have found very useful (particularly Neuhaus et al): Moore, S. J. 1979. Restoration of the Quekett Microscope Slide Collection. *Microscopy* 33:489-494. Neuhaus, B., T. Schmid, and J. Riedel. 2017. Collection management and study of microscope slides: storage, profiling, deterioration, restoration procedures, and general recommendations. *Zootaxa* 4322(1):1-173. --John John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica *and* Associate Curator of Collections Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery Penn State University *and* Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 12:22 PM Callomon,Paul wrote: > Folks, > > > > Can anyone recommend how-to guides to assessing and triaging antique > microscope slides? I have a ton of them to deal with right now. I need to > know how best to clean and store them, how to revive (if possible) hardened > fixatives, etc. These are mostly polychaete and other worm samples, > including sections and jaw parts, and are anything from 50 to 140 years old. > > > > Paul Callomon > > Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates > ------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University* > > 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA > *prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* > > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. 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Assuming that some NHColl-members might had contacts to Sheffield and colleagues working there, and as Zooarch posts popped up occasionally here on NHColl as well, I thought this piece might be worth sharing. The are looking for more people to sign the petition against their closure, the link is provided in Umberto Albarella's original post below. With best wishes Dirk https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-57255994 https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/21/stonehenge-research-in-jeopardy-if-sheffield-university-archaeology-unit-closes *Von:*Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites *Im Auftrag von *Umberto Albarella *Gesendet:* Montag, 31. Mai 2021 19:49 *An:* ZOOARCH at JISCMAIL.AC.UK *Betreff:* 50,000 times NO to cultural vandalism Dear Zooarchers, We are now entering a new stage of the campaign to save the Department of Archaeology at the University?of Sheffield and we need your help! We want people to say *50,000 times NO to cultural vandalism*. Please help us to reach this objective by sharing the petition even beyond your most obvious networks. https://tinyurl.com/eanznsw Currently we have almost 40,000 signatures, so we need 10,000 more, which is a tall order, but we think we can achieve it if everybody else is prepared to give us a hand by?doing their?best in?reaching out to?all possible contacts. The reason why that?target is important?is that it may generate renewed interest by the press,?hopefully before the?University Council meeting of July 12, when the final decision will?be made. Thank you! Umberto -- Umberto Albarella Department of Archaeology University of Sheffield Minalloy House 10-16 Regent Street Sheffield S1 3NJ United Kingdom Telephone: (+) 44 (0) 114 22 22 943 Fax: (+) 44 (0) 114 ?22 25 109 http://www.sheffield.ac.uk/archaeology/people/albarella For MSc in Osteoarchaeology see: https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/archaeology/postgraduate_taught/msc_osteoarchaeology For Zooarchaeology short courses see: http://www.shef.ac.uk/archaeology/research/zooarchaeology-lab/short-course Oxford Handbook of Zooarchaeology: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-oxford-handbook-of-zooarchaeology-9780199686476?cc=gb&lang=en Zooarchaeology Review of Central England: https://research.historicengland.org.uk/Report.aspx?i=16393&ru=%2fResults.aspx%3fp%3d1%26n%3d10%26ry%3d2019%26a%3d826%26ns%3d1 "No one has the right to obey" Hannah Arendt ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/WA-JISC.exe?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in advance, Angela Hornsby ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Angela Hornsby, Ph.D. Curator, Philip L. Wright Zoological Museum (UMZM) Office ISB 322 University of Montana Email angela.hornsby at mso.umt.edu Phone (406) 243-4743 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ges at umich.edu Tue Jun 1 13:07:57 2021 From: ges at umich.edu (Gregory Schneider) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 13:07:57 -0400 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on partial fish voucher options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It would be good to have images of the live fish as well and another set of images of the preserved specimens as well as frozen tissue samples for DNA. Greg Schneider Division of Reptiles and Amphibians Museum of Zoology Research Museums Center 3600 Varsity Drive University of Michigan Ann Arbor, Michigan 48108 734 647 1927 ges at umich.edu [image: Description: Description: logocolor] www.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/rep_amph/index.html On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 12:44 PM Angela Hornsby wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm hoping someone has a few minutes to help a mammalogist learn how to > deal with fish! > > In short, a grad student here is collecting up to 1500 fish this summer > for a project on environmental toxins. Because the fish will be pulled > apart to analyze separate tissues and search for parasites, they'll be in > poor condition by the time they're in our (the museum's) hands. > > My question is whether there is a preferred partial voucher option for > fish. Dermestid-cleaned skeletons? Dried scales? Fins in EtOH? Since > vouchering wasn't in the original research plan, we don't have the > capacity to formalin fix the remaining carcasses even if that's the > preferred option. We'll be ultracold archiving tissue, regardless. > > Thanks in advance, > > Angela Hornsby > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Angela Hornsby, Ph.D. > Curator, Philip L. 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Thank you >From AIBS Dear Colleagues, There is a growing recognition of the importance of providing scientists, particularly graduate students and post-doctoral fellows, with professional development training that will expand their career opportunities and potential for professional success. The American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS) is pleased to announce a professional development program that we have developed to help scientists strengthen their written communication skills. This is an important professional development training opportunity. I hope you will consider sharing this opportunity with your students, staff, and colleagues. Below are more specific details about this online course, including registration information. Writing for Impact and Influence: An AIBS Professional Development Program It is perfectly okay to write garbage-as long as you edit brilliantly. -C. J. Cherryh The American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS) has heard a common refrain from faculty, scientists, government and private sector executives, and everyone in between: Scientists are increasingly responsible for public engagement and business writing, yet they are rarely given the tools they need to succeed. AIBS is responding by re-offering our professional development program designed to help scientists, including graduate students, hone their written communication skills to increase the impact and influence of their message. This course complements AIBS's highly successful Communications Boot Camp for Scientists, which focuses on oral communication. Writing for Impact and Influence provides practical instruction and hands-on exercises that will improve the participant's general writing proficiency. The program will provide participants with the skills and tools needed to compose scientific press releases, blog posts, memoranda, and more, with a focus on the reader experience. Each product-oriented session will have an assignment (deadlines are flexible), with feedback from the instructor. The course is interactive, and participants are encouraged to ask questions and exchange ideas with the instructor and other participants. Each session is also recorded and shared with all participants to accommodate scheduling conflicts. Who Should Take the Course? * Individuals interested in furthering their professional development by augmenting their writing skills. * Graduate students and early-career professionals interested in increasing their marketability to employers. * Individuals interested in more effectively informing and influencing segments of the public, supervisors, policymakers, reporters, organizational leaders, and others. Sample Topics * Press releases and writing for the media * Blogging and social media campaigns * Writing for professional audiences * One-pagers and writing for stakeholders * Action/decision memoranda * Synthesis Course Structure The course consists of six 90-minute online modules conducted live and subsequently archived online for participant review. Modules are spaced at weekly intervals to allow time for assignment completion. Live attendance is recommended but not required, and the instructor can be contacted by email at any time during the course. Assignments A writing assignment will be given in each of the first five courses. Students will receive timely feedback on their assignments. Schedule The course will begin on Thursday, 1 July 2021. The subsequent course sessions will be held weekly on Thursdays, through 5 August. All live courses will begin at 2:00 p.m. Eastern time. Recorded programs will be available to participants after the live session. Registration Space is limited and the course will be filled on a first-come, first-served basis. Registration is required. To register for the course, go to http://io.aibs.org/writing For questions regarding the course please contact James Verdier at jverdier at aibs.org. Sincerely, Jyotsna ___________________ Jyotsna Pandey, Ph.D. Director of Public Policy, American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS) 950 Herndon Parkway Suite 450 Herndon, VA 20170 Phone: 202-628-1500 x 225 AIBS website: www.aibs.org Follow AIBS on Twitter! @AIBSbiology >From iDigBio We are excited to introduce the first professional development opportunity offered by the iDigBio Digitization Academy: Introduction to Biodiversity Specimen Digitization. This free, online course is focused on introducing the creation of digital data about biodiversity specimens to those who are just beginning this activity. The aims of the course are to empower participants with the knowledge and skills to (1) identify and assess relevant facets of information or potential information about specimens, (2) identify and implement common digitization protocols and best practices related to databasing, digital imaging, and georeferencing, (3) identify downstream uses that are relevant to digitization decisionmaking, (4) explain basic database design and the value of Globally Unique Identifiers, (5) identify the major specimen data management system options and the major differences among them, and (6) design a digitization project, including quality control and a data management plan that includes data sharing. This course is targeted at those already associated with a biodiversity collection, such as student technicians, collections management professionals, or curators. The course will be relevant to a diversity of collection types. Participants do not need to have prior knowledge of biodiversity informatics or specialized software. The course will occur from July 12-15 (Monday-Thursday) between 11 a.m. and 5 p.m. ET (exact times yet to be determined). You can expect to spend three hours per day in synchronous meetings and as much as two additional hours of preparation time per day outside of class. So this is about a 20-hour time commitment. We expect to cap the course at 20 participants and will make admission decisions based on the relevance of the training to the future of the applicant's organization and a desire to engage a diversity of perspectives. The course will be delivered in English. Those interested in participating from outside the US are welcome to apply. You may apply to participate in this course at: https://forms.gle/YsP8awfKBAzksBSk9. Applications are due by 8 a.m. ET on Monday, June 7. Should you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact Michael Denslow at michael.denslow at gmail.com. This course is brought to you by iDigBio (https://www.idigbio.org) and will be taught by Michael Denslow, Erica Krimmel, and Austin Mast. Watch for an announcement of a second course offering from the iDigBio Digitization Academy soon. That course will be focused on public engagement in digitization. Please consider sharing this announcement with others who might benefit from it. Thanks! With best regards, Austin Mast, Erica Krimmel, and Michael Denslow >From Museum Study, LLC Storage Techniques online course begins May 31 on MuseumStudy.com Join Instructor Rebecca Newberry for the 4 week course Storage Techniques. Is your collection at risk due to poor storage methods? Good storage mounts are essential for preserving museum collections. Building on the related course, Materials for Exhibit, Moving, and Storage, in Storage Techniques, you will learn about the materials, tools, ideas, and techniques needed to create quality storage mounts. You will design and build a storage mount for an object of your choosing and plan a storage improvement project for a collection of objects using archival materials and techniques. For more information visit our website: https://www.museumstudy.com/storage-techniques Marketing Plans for Heritage Sites course begins May 31 on MuseumStudy.com Without a doubt marketing is one of the most critical aspects of any heritage or interpretive attraction operations. Marketing brings in visitors, creates new market groups - and gets them to come back for return visits. Successful marketing efforts = staying in business for most heritage attractions, particularly those not totally supported by local governments or other governmental agencies. Yet many agencies and organizations don't have marketing plans or yet... "successful marketing plans". Join interpretive planning consultant John Veverka for the new 4 week online course Marketing Plans for Heritage Sites. For more information visit our website: https://www.museumstudy.com/marketing-plans-for-heritage-interpretation-sites Decolonizing Museums in Practice course begins July 5 on MuseumStudy.com Articles about decolonizing museums are everywhere these days, but what does this actually mean in practice for museum professionals? Join Laura Phillips, Heather George, and Nathan Sentance for this course where we will focus on looking critically at how museum professionals can activate decolonial ways of thinking in their own work environment, and in their day to day life. We will investigate how the words of contemporary Indigenous scholars and curators can be put into practice to promote practices that de-centre the subtle (and not so subtle) colonial ways of thinking that surround us every day. The text book can take a while to arrive so make sure to order it well in advance if you can not find it locally. This course fills early, but runs multiple times a year. For more information visit our website: https://www.museumstudy.com/decolonizing-museums-in-practice Keeping Historic Houses & Museums Clean 4 week online course begins July 5 on MuseumStudy.com An unkempt museum or historic house is not appealing to the visitor nor is it healthy for the staff and collection. In this 4 week online professional development course instructor Gretchen Anderson will lay a foundation as to how to clean objects and facilities safely. We will explore a variety of subjects, including health and safety for the staff and the objects, cleaning methods for a large variety of collection types common in art & cultural institutions and the importance of documenting what you do. One former participant said, "This class was so helpful! This was such a great resource! For the first time since I started working here, my staff really seems to understand why I ask them to do what we do. It has really been the start of some great conversations on site and we will 100% use the techniques learned." Cleaning and sterilizing the museum is in the news these days. Once we get back in to our museums and historic houses we will need to be extra careful. Please join us for this timely class to look at methods to protect both the collection and your visitors. For more information visit our website: https://www.museumstudy.com/keeping-historic-houses-and-museums-clean Policies for Managing Collections 4 week online course begins July 5 on MuseumStudy.com Join instructor John Simmons author of Things Great and Small: Collections Management Policies for the course Policies for Managing Collections. Participants in the course can purchase the Second Edition of the book at a discount. In this course we will critically examine the purposes and functions of collections management policies, including how collections are defined, acquired, managed, used, maintained, and deaccessioned. For more information visit our website: https://www.museumstudy.com/policies-for-managing-collections Creating Virtual Learning Opportunities in Museums course begins July 5 on MuseumStudy.com Join us for this new course born out of the challenges we all encountered this last year. Creating Virtual Learning Opportunities in Museums will cover creating both synchronous and asynchronous programs, connecting with teachers, and some technical skills to ensure that you can support teachers and students virtually as they learn from you and your museum. By the end of the course, participants will have built several different virtual education programs that will be ready to use. Participants will create at least 3 different virtual museum education programs and learn to use technology tools and build skills to help them develop additional virtual learning opportunities. 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Andy A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V Andy Bentley Ichthyology Collection Manager University of Kansas Biodiversity Institute Dyche Hall 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561 USA Tel: (785) 864-3863 Fax: (785) 864-5335 Email: abentley at ku.edu http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Angela Hornsby Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 11:44 AM To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" Cc: "Hornsby, Angela" Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on partial fish voucher options Hi everyone, I'm hoping someone has a few minutes to help a mammalogist learn how to deal with fish! In short, a grad student here is collecting up to 1500 fish this summer for a project on environmental toxins. Because the fish will be pulled apart to analyze separate tissues and search for parasites, they'll be in poor condition by the time they're in our (the museum's) hands. My question is whether there is a preferred partial voucher option for fish. Dermestid-cleaned skeletons? Dried scales? Fins in EtOH? Since vouchering wasn't in the original research plan, we don't have the capacity to formalin fix the remaining carcasses even if that's the preferred option. We'll be ultracold archiving tissue, regardless. Thanks in advance, Angela Hornsby ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Angela Hornsby, Ph.D. Curator, Philip L. Wright Zoological Museum (UMZM) Office ISB 322 University of Montana Email angela.hornsby at mso.umt.edu Phone (406) 243-4743 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maru.digi at gmail.com Tue Jun 1 14:14:00 2021 From: maru.digi at gmail.com (Mariana Di Giacomo) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 14:14:00 -0400 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Old slides In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paul, I worked on a microscope slides project at the Smithsonian NMNH in which I looked at over 400k slides and did tests on mounting media, so I can help with many of your questions. We can chat more on the side about specifics if you want, just email me. Basically, as long as slides are horizontal, they will survive better (if you have them in slide boxes, just store the boxes vertically). For cleaning, start with brushes and cosmetic sponges (I like these but there are other places to buy them as well: https://www.universityproducts.com/latex-free-hydrophilic-sponges.html). If dust and grime are stubborn, you can use a cotton swab with deionized water, but you must blot the swab first so it is barely moist and not soaking wet; and avoid touching any paper labels. About the mounting media, some of them are easier to remount than others, but that is on a case-by-case basis because people have used everything you can think of to mount slides, so if you send me some pictures, I can try to identify them and give you some suggestions. Best, Mariana *Mariana Di Giacomo, PhD* *Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum* Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC Secretary/Communications APOYOnline El mar, 1 jun 2021 a las 12:29, John E Simmons () escribi?: > Paul, > A couple references on this topic that I have found very useful > (particularly Neuhaus et al): > > Moore, S. J. 1979. Restoration of the Quekett Microscope Slide Collection. > *Microscopy* 33:489-494. > > > > Neuhaus, B., T. Schmid, and J. Riedel. 2017. Collection management and > study of microscope slides: storage, profiling, deterioration, restoration > procedures, and general recommendations. *Zootaxa* 4322(1):1-173. > > > --John > > John E. Simmons > Writer and Museum Consultant > Museologica > *and* > Associate Curator of Collections > Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery > Penn State University > *and* > Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia > Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima > > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 12:22 PM Callomon,Paul wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> >> >> Can anyone recommend how-to guides to assessing and triaging antique >> microscope slides? I have a ton of them to deal with right now. I need to >> know how best to clean and store them, how to revive (if possible) hardened >> fixatives, etc. These are mostly polychaete and other worm samples, >> including sections and jaw parts, and are anything from 50 to 140 years old. >> >> >> >> Paul Callomon >> >> Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates >> ------------------------------ >> >> *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University* >> >> 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA >> *prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nhcoll-l mailing list >> Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of >> Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose >> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of >> natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to >> society. 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URL: From eric.lazo-wasem at yale.edu Tue Jun 1 18:35:56 2021 From: eric.lazo-wasem at yale.edu (Lazo-Wasem, Eric) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 22:35:56 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Old slides In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: not sure where this thread started, but before our slide scanning project we cleaned 50000t slides dating to the 1850s that were stored in nearly 1000 filthy boxes and cardboard trays or decades old plastic boxes. Each slide was cleaned by our previous conservator and an army of undergrads and high schoolers; they used DI water and swabs only. All are beautifully clean now. However, and the conservators will be aghast - I clean my own balsam slides using commercial Windex and a wipe! In handling all these, I have concluded the ONLY truly archival (150 plus years medium is Canada Balsam. Of the many types of slides I have repaired/remounted, Balsam was the easiest. Old CMCP-10 (lactic acid based) are easy to, IF you can find the specimen. With this particular medium the clearing is so bad over time tiny appendages (mouthparts, etc.) literally disappear. Eric A. Lazo-Wasem, Senior Collections Manager Division of Invertebrate Zoology Peabody Museum of Natural History Yale University 170 Whitney Avenue New Haven, CT 06520 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Mariana Di Giacomo Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 2:14 PM To: John E Simmons Cc: NH-COLL listserv (nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu) Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Old slides Hi Paul, I worked on a microscope slides project at the Smithsonian NMNH in which I looked at over 400k slides and did tests on mounting media, so I can help with many of your questions. We can chat more on the side about specifics if you want, just email me. Basically, as long as slides are horizontal, they will survive better (if you have them in slide boxes, just store the boxes vertically). For cleaning, start with brushes and cosmetic sponges (I like these but there are other places to buy them as well: https://www.universityproducts.com/latex-free-hydrophilic-sponges.html). If dust and grime are stubborn, you can use a cotton swab with deionized water, but you must blot the swab first so it is barely moist and not soaking wet; and avoid touching any paper labels. About the mounting media, some of them are easier to remount than others, but that is on a case-by-case basis because people have used everything you can think of to mount slides, so if you send me some pictures, I can try to identify them and give you some suggestions. Best, Mariana Mariana Di Giacomo, PhD Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC Secretary/Communications APOYOnline El mar, 1 jun 2021 a las 12:29, John E Simmons (>) escribi?: Paul, A couple references on this topic that I have found very useful (particularly Neuhaus et al): Moore, S. J. 1979. Restoration of the Quekett Microscope Slide Collection. Microscopy 33:489-494. Neuhaus, B., T. Schmid, and J. Riedel. 2017. Collection management and study of microscope slides: storage, profiling, deterioration, restoration procedures, and general recommendations. Zootaxa 4322(1):1-173. --John John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica and Associate Curator of Collections Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery Penn State University and Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 12:22 PM Callomon,Paul > wrote: Folks, Can anyone recommend how-to guides to assessing and triaging antique microscope slides? I have a ton of them to deal with right now. I need to know how best to clean and store them, how to revive (if possible) hardened fixatives, etc. These are mostly polychaete and other worm samples, including sections and jaw parts, and are anything from 50 to 140 years old. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. 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Because the fish will be pulled > apart to analyze separate tissues, they'll be in poor condition by the time > they're in our (the museum's) hands. > > My question is whether there is a preferred partial voucher option for > fish. Cleaned skeleton? Fins / scales / opercula in EtOH? Since > vouchering wasn't in the original research plan, we don't have the > capacity to formalin fix the remaining carcasses even if that's the > preferred option. We'll be archiving tissue, regardless. > > Thanks in advance, > > Angela Hornsby > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Angela Hornsby, Ph.D. > Curator, Philip L. 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Biology Curator, 10 : 1 - 33. | Natural Sciences Collections Association (natsca.org) All the best, Jules Julian Carter (he/him) Prif Gadwraethydd, Gwyddorau Naturiol / Principal Conservator Natural Sciences julian.carter at amgueddfacymru.ac.uk julian.carter at museumwales.ac.uk https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Julian_Carter Twitter: @NatHistConserve Ffon/Tel: (+44) 029 20573230 / (+44)07870448074 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of John E Simmons Sent: 01 June 2021 17:29 To: Callomon,Paul Cc: NH-COLL listserv (nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu) Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Old slides Paul, A couple references on this topic that I have found very useful (particularly Neuhaus et al): Moore, S. J. 1979. Restoration of the Quekett Microscope Slide Collection. Microscopy 33:489-494. Neuhaus, B., T. Schmid, and J. Riedel. 2017. Collection management and study of microscope slides: storage, profiling, deterioration, restoration procedures, and general recommendations. Zootaxa 4322(1):1-173. --John John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica and Associate Curator of Collections Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery Penn State University and Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 12:22 PM Callomon,Paul > wrote: Folks, Can anyone recommend how-to guides to assessing and triaging antique microscope slides? I have a ton of them to deal with right now. I need to know how best to clean and store them, how to revive (if possible) hardened fixatives, etc. These are mostly polychaete and other worm samples, including sections and jaw parts, and are anything from 50 to 140 years old. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. 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The process I use for changing from iso to ethanol is to do 24 hrs in water, then step up (25/50/70) to ethanol in 24 hour increments. Thanks, Sarah Sarah K. Huber, Ph.D. Curatorial Associate, VIMS Nunnally Ichthyology Collection Office 804.684.7104 | Collection 804.684.7285 skhuber at vims.edu | http://www.vims.edu/research/facilities/fishcollection/index.php PO Box 1346 | 1370 Greate Rd., Gloucester Pt., VA 23062 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kderieg at nhmu.utah.edu Wed Jun 2 12:18:30 2021 From: kderieg at nhmu.utah.edu (Katrina Derieg) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 16:18:30 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on partial fish voucher options In-Reply-To: <51A4B52A-F441-438F-B7D2-F77497432656@ku.edu> References: <51A4B52A-F441-438F-B7D2-F77497432656@ku.edu> Message-ID: <771ccb9e56ca4691bdfb3a5fa308ac2c@nhmu.utah.edu> Hi Folks, I?m not a fish person, but I just want to throw my two cents in regarding genetic barcoding. I would caution against IDing a specimen based on a mitochondrial locus, since the mitochondrial and nuclear genomes may have different and conflicting evolutionary histories. But if you have tissues, you can always go back with new genomic tech/knowledge, which is great! -Katrina Katrina Derieg Vertebrate Zoology Collections Manager Natural History Museum of Utah (UMNH) 301 Wakara Way Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 Email: kderieg at nhmu.utah.edu Mobile: (505) 553-4693 | Office: (801) 587-5787 she/her From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Bentley, Andrew Charles Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 11:38 AM To: Angela Hornsby ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Cc: Hornsby, Angela Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on partial fish voucher options Hi Angela Yes, I would say a good photo voucher would do the trick to act as a proxy for a physical voucher. With the advent of CO1 sequencing, the need for a physical voucher has been somewhat reduced ? especially for common, easy to identify species. We have a number of tissues in our collection that only have photo vouchers, or in some cases, no voucher at all. Not ideal but better than not having the tissue at all in my view. Andy A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V Andy Bentley Ichthyology Collection Manager University of Kansas Biodiversity Institute Dyche Hall 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561 USA Tel: (785) 864-3863 Fax: (785) 864-5335 Email: abentley at ku.edu http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V From: Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Angela Hornsby > Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 11:44 AM To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" > Cc: "Hornsby, Angela" > Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on partial fish voucher options Hi everyone, I'm hoping someone has a few minutes to help a mammalogist learn how to deal with fish! In short, a grad student here is collecting up to 1500 fish this summer for a project on environmental toxins. Because the fish will be pulled apart to analyze separate tissues and search for parasites, they'll be in poor condition by the time they're in our (the museum's) hands. My question is whether there is a preferred partial voucher option for fish. Dermestid-cleaned skeletons? Dried scales? Fins in EtOH? Since vouchering wasn't in the original research plan, we don't have the capacity to formalin fix the remaining carcasses even if that's the preferred option. We'll be ultracold archiving tissue, regardless. Thanks in advance, Angela Hornsby ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Angela Hornsby, Ph.D. Curator, Philip L. Wright Zoological Museum (UMZM) Office ISB 322 University of Montana Email angela.hornsby at mso.umt.edu Phone (406) 243-4743 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nseiden at fau.edu Wed Jun 2 13:03:00 2021 From: nseiden at fau.edu (Nicole Seiden) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 17:03:00 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Message-ID: Hello everyone, We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? Forever curious, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. 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Across the entire collection the sheets are either disintegrating into a fine yellow dust, or decomposing into a ?sticky? substance (and without doubt releasing lots of volatile organic vapor) leading to discoloration and damage to shell specimens. Clearly, based on observations of foam stored in closed boxes / left out in the air, there is some sort of oxidation reaction occurring. I have considered replacing the foam with: * Polyester/dacron batting (in rolls, then cut into sheets in-house) * Polyester/dacron Polyfill (manually packed into trays in-house) * Various types of archival/inert foams, such as Sekisui Voltek Volara (cut into sheets either by manufacturer or in-house) All suppliers I can find in the archival/museum quality materials business are prohibitively expensive (on the order of tens of thousands of dollars for the amounts I need). 1. Does anyone know of a good replacement material foam sheets that isn?t exorbitantly priced? Preferably this would be something I could buy in rolls of varying widths, with a thickness of 2. For simple polyfill/dacron polyester, is the stuff sold by Gaylord/University products actually significantly different than the normal commercial grade? * Does anyone have a line on a good supplier for high quality polyfill? Thanks! Nate ? Nathaniel F. Shoobs, B.A., M.Sc. Curator of Mollusks Dept. of Evolution, Ecology and Organismal Biology The Ohio State University Museum of Biological Diversity, Columbus, OH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abentley at ku.edu Wed Jun 2 18:44:51 2021 From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 22:44:51 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Message-ID: <5888E2D9-F2CC-4B64-B5EE-6B1E09EFB34E@ku.edu> Nicki Why not just digitize them and attach them to the individual records? I doubt that much if any information would be lost, and you could then discard the labels. We have done this with old catalog cards and the like that we do not want to keep but can be digitized with no loss of information. Just make sure that you digitize them at a high enough resolution that individual characters can be read and analyzed. Andy A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V Andy Bentley Ichthyology Collection Manager University of Kansas Biodiversity Institute Dyche Hall 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561 USA Tel: (785) 864-3863 Fax: (785) 864-5335 Email: abentley at ku.edu http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Nicole Seiden Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 12:03 PM To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hello everyone, We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? Forever curious, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric.lazo-wasem at yale.edu Wed Jun 2 19:08:15 2021 From: eric.lazo-wasem at yale.edu (Lazo-Wasem, Eric) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 23:08:15 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels In-Reply-To: <5888E2D9-F2CC-4B64-B5EE-6B1E09EFB34E@ku.edu> References: <5888E2D9-F2CC-4B64-B5EE-6B1E09EFB34E@ku.edu> Message-ID: Hi Nicole, I have run into this issue myself. What I do is scan the label and scale it down as needed for printing with a thermal paper. The facsimile goes in the jar or vial, so you have the "original" to see to verify data fidelity. I do this with large field samples filled with many taxa, etc. that need to be split from a bucket and I have only one original label. Sometimes there is only the writing on the bucket so I snag a photo and copy that for printing. I then scan and print vial/jar appropriate copies so I know for sure the data are correct. Otherwise, you have to take at face value the data were entered correctly. Of course, attaching a label image as suggested by Andy is another smart move, but I would not throw away the original; even thousands of small labels in archive envelopes do not take up that much space. Eric A. Lazo-Wasem, Senior Collections Manager Division of Invertebrate Zoology Peabody Museum of Natural History Yale University 170 Whitney Avenue New Haven, CT 06520 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Bentley, Andrew Charles Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 6:44 PM To: Nicole Seiden ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Nicki Why not just digitize them and attach them to the individual records? I doubt that much if any information would be lost, and you could then discard the labels. We have done this with old catalog cards and the like that we do not want to keep but can be digitized with no loss of information. Just make sure that you digitize them at a high enough resolution that individual characters can be read and analyzed. Andy A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V Andy Bentley Ichthyology Collection Manager University of Kansas Biodiversity Institute Dyche Hall 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561 USA Tel: (785) 864-3863 Fax: (785) 864-5335 Email: abentley at ku.edu http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Nicole Seiden Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 12:03 PM To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hello everyone, We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? Forever curious, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From couteaufin at btinternet.com Thu Jun 3 04:02:48 2021 From: couteaufin at btinternet.com (Simon Moore) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 09:02:48 +0100 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64E5B220-A40D-4011-8BD7-3F1EC6D08F2D@btinternet.com> At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. > She/Her/Hers > Research Collection Manager > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > nseiden at fau.edu > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. From Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee Thu Jun 3 06:01:41 2021 From: Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee (Lennart Lennuk) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 10:01:41 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels In-Reply-To: References: <5888E2D9-F2CC-4B64-B5EE-6B1E09EFB34E@ku.edu> Message-ID: <58b5e48160344f28a3f5afe6088785ca@loodusmuuseum.ee> Hi! I absolutely agree with Eric to not discard the original labels. Does anybody know if the labels removed from jar would stay better and longer in alcohol or is it okey to just hold them dry in envelopes? Best regards Lennart Lennuk Head of collections Estonian Museum of Natural History (+372) 6603404, 56569916 Best! Lennart From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Lazo-Wasem, Eric Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 2:08 AM To: Nicole Seiden ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hi Nicole, I have run into this issue myself. What I do is scan the label and scale it down as needed for printing with a thermal paper. The facsimile goes in the jar or vial, so you have the "original" to see to verify data fidelity. I do this with large field samples filled with many taxa, etc. that need to be split from a bucket and I have only one original label. Sometimes there is only the writing on the bucket so I snag a photo and copy that for printing. I then scan and print vial/jar appropriate copies so I know for sure the data are correct. Otherwise, you have to take at face value the data were entered correctly. Of course, attaching a label image as suggested by Andy is another smart move, but I would not throw away the original; even thousands of small labels in archive envelopes do not take up that much space. Eric A. Lazo-Wasem, Senior Collections Manager Division of Invertebrate Zoology Peabody Museum of Natural History Yale University 170 Whitney Avenue New Haven, CT 06520 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Bentley, Andrew Charles > Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 6:44 PM To: Nicole Seiden >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Nicki Why not just digitize them and attach them to the individual records? I doubt that much if any information would be lost, and you could then discard the labels. We have done this with old catalog cards and the like that we do not want to keep but can be digitized with no loss of information. Just make sure that you digitize them at a high enough resolution that individual characters can be read and analyzed. Andy A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V Andy Bentley Ichthyology Collection Manager University of Kansas Biodiversity Institute Dyche Hall 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561 USA Tel: (785) 864-3863 Fax: (785) 864-5335 Email: abentley at ku.edu http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V From: Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Nicole Seiden > Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 12:03 PM To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" > Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hello everyone, We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? Forever curious, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wpoly at calacademy.org Thu Jun 3 06:44:56 2021 From: wpoly at calacademy.org (William Poly) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 06:44:56 -0400 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels In-Reply-To: <64E5B220-A40D-4011-8BD7-3F1EC6D08F2D@btinternet.com> References: <64E5B220-A40D-4011-8BD7-3F1EC6D08F2D@btinternet.com> Message-ID: And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore wrote: > At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant > labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve > handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic > labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep > this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked > and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me > which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data > to the computer! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > > https://avanan.url-protection.com/v1/url?o=www.natural-history-conservation.com&g=ZDU5ZDg0OWM3Mjk4Mzk4MQ==&h=OTgyN2JkMjJkNTU0Y2QxOTBkZWFiYjg0OTljZTVkNTg2MDU1ZDRiNjk5OTZhYmJhZTg4NzI4ZDdkZTliODcyYQ==&p=YXAzOmNhbGFjYWRlbXk6YXZhbmFuOmc6NGE4ZjQyZGUyZWRkYzUwOWU0NDBjZWEyYTAwYzY5Yjc6djE= > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor > Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this > project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate > jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding > and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, > and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars > so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed > with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a > substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 > scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz > jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the > collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars > will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still > uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this > project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, > possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will > likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas > on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > > > Forever curious, > > Nicki > > > > > > > > Nicki L. 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Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. Cheers, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu ________________________________ From: William Poly Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM To: Simon Moore Cc: Nicole Seiden ; NHCOLL-new Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, https://avanan.url-protection.com/v1/url?o=www.natural-history-conservation.com&g=ZDU5ZDg0OWM3Mjk4Mzk4MQ==&h=OTgyN2JkMjJkNTU0Y2QxOTBkZWFiYjg0OTljZTVkNTg2MDU1ZDRiNjk5OTZhYmJhZTg4NzI4ZDdkZTliODcyYQ==&p=YXAzOmNhbGFjYWRlbXk6YXZhbmFuOmc6NGE4ZjQyZGUyZWRkYzUwOWU0NDBjZWEyYTAwYzY5Yjc6djE= > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. 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See https://avanan.url-protection.com/v1/url?o=http%3A//www.spnhc.org&g=MjU0NGQ2N2M4OTgxNDI5OQ==&h=ZjVhZDdkM2YwYzQxYzQ2MjhjODk3ZWFlZDdlN2NhY2M5NDM0YWI4YmU4ZmExYjI5MDVhZTcyZWMzNzI2NjQxMQ==&p=YXAzOmNhbGFjYWRlbXk6YXZhbmFuOmc6NGE4ZjQyZGUyZWRkYzUwOWU0NDBjZWEyYTAwYzY5Yjc6djE= for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From couteaufin at btinternet.com Thu Jun 3 10:19:06 2021 From: couteaufin at btinternet.com (Simon Moore) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 15:19:06 +0100 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels In-Reply-To: References: <64E5B220-A40D-4011-8BD7-3F1EC6D08F2D@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9494723B-882C-485F-8CC6-EC9D85C8F268@btinternet.com> Hi Nicole, Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the labels were easy after that! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com > On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! > I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. > > Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. > Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. > > Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. > Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. > > Cheers, > Nicki > > Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. > She/Her/Hers > Research Collection Manager > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > nseiden at fau.edu > From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM > To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden ; NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. > > > And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore wrote: > At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > https://avanan.url-protection.com/v1/url?o=www.natural-history-conservation.com&g=ZDU5ZDg0OWM3Mjk4Mzk4MQ==&h=OTgyN2JkMjJkNTU0Y2QxOTBkZWFiYjg0OTljZTVkNTg2MDU1ZDRiNjk5OTZhYmJhZTg4NzI4ZDdkZTliODcyYQ==&p=YXAzOmNhbGFjYWRlbXk6YXZhbmFuOmc6NGE4ZjQyZGUyZWRkYzUwOWU0NDBjZWEyYTAwYzY5Yjc6djE= > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > > > Forever curious, > > Nicki > > > > > > > > Nicki L. 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Name: MA logo.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19375 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Erik.Ahlander at nrm.se Fri Jun 4 05:54:50 2021 From: Erik.Ahlander at nrm.se (=?utf-8?B?RXJpayDDhWhsYW5kZXI=?=) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 09:54:50 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels In-Reply-To: <9494723B-882C-485F-8CC6-EC9D85C8F268@btinternet.com> References: <64E5B220-A40D-4011-8BD7-3F1EC6D08F2D@btinternet.com> <9494723B-882C-485F-8CC6-EC9D85C8F268@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <22743f7768574746b5dd067e01a3010f@nrm.se> Dear Nicki, As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of certain important specimens. Best wishes, Erik ?hlander vertebrate zoology and museum history ZOO Swedish Museum of Natural History PO Box 50007 SE-10405 Stockholm Sweden +46 0 8 5195 4118 +46 0 70 225 2716 erik.ahlander at nrm.se Fr?n: Nhcoll-l F?r Simon Moore Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 Till: Nicole Seiden Kopia: NHCOLL-new ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hi Nicole, Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the labels were easy after that! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com [cid:image001.png at 01D75936.4168EB20][cid:image002.jpg at 01D75936.4168EB20] On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. Cheers, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden >; NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. 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With best wishes Dirk Am 04.06.2021 um 11:54 schrieb Erik ?hlander: > > Dear Nicki, > > As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original > label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We > have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to > take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the > specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am > presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of > original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink > and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if > chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of > certain important specimens. > > Best wishes, > > Erik ?hlander > > vertebrate zoology and museum history > > ZOO > > Swedish Museum of Natural History > > PO Box 50007 > > SE-10405 Stockholm > > Sweden > > +46 0 8 5195 4118 > > +46 0 70?225 2716 > > erik.ahlander at nrm.se > > *Fr?n:*Nhcoll-l *F?r *Simon Moore > *Skickat:* den 3 juni 2021 16:19 > *Till:* Nicole Seiden > *Kopia:* NHCOLL-new > *?mne:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > Hi Nicole, > > Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a > cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition > number. > > As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese > tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took > time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the > skills and the labels were easy after that! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS,?ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences?and?Cutlery Historian, > > www.natural-history-conservation.com > > > > mailbox:///C:/Mail/qk9hn92x.slt/Mail/mailin.lrz-muenchen.de/Inbox?number=336774512&header=quotebody&part=1.1.2&filename=image001.pngmailbox:///C:/Mail/qk9hn92x.slt/Mail/mailin.lrz-muenchen.de/Inbox?number=336774512&header=quotebody&part=1.1.3&filename=image002.jpg > > > > On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! > I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of > them however, we are also planning to convert our database from > Access to Specify in the next?year or two. Until we switch into > Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and > won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm > not?keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the > notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources > (e.g., hackers, server failure, human?error, etc.), and the > curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous > curators and collectors, as others have noted. > > Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! > We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card > binder. > Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this > my next project after organizing the jars by size. > > Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, > and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, > retrieving and returning individual?labels becomes a challenge and > risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry > envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. > Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of > our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make > handling them less?hazardous. > > Cheers, > Nicki > > Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. > She/Her/Hers > Research Collection Manager > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > nseiden at fau.edu > From:?William Poly > > Sent:?Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM > To:?Simon Moore > > Cc:?Nicole Seiden >; > NHCOLL-new > > Subject:?Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > EXTERNAL EMAIL :?Exercise caution when responding, opening links, > or opening attachments. > > > And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. ?As > others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should > be saved. > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > > wrote: > At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / > redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to > preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators,?also > some historic labels. ?I was unsure about relying entirely on > digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the > days when data systems could be hacked and injected with?erasure > viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m > still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the > computer! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at > Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. > One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens > into?smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being > 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars > by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted > to ask?the community for suggestions. > > > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 > oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x > 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz > jars?though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For > example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a > single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. > The?problem with the small scintillation jars is that the > collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While > these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique > location, I?m still?uncomfortable with removing the internal > specimen labels. > > > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after > this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate > labels, possibly with reduced information. The original > handwritten?labels will likely have to stay in this folder > long-term though. > > > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might > have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own > collection? > > > > Forever curious, > > Nicki > > > > > > > > Nicki L. 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Thanks to share Sergio From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik ?hlander Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 To: Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden Cc: NHCOLL-new Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Dear Nicki, As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of certain important specimens. Best wishes, Erik ?hlander vertebrate zoology and museum history ZOO Swedish Museum of Natural History PO Box 50007 SE-10405 Stockholm Sweden +46 0 8 5195 4118 +46 0 70 225 2716 erik.ahlander at nrm.se Fr?n: Nhcoll-l F?r Simon Moore Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 Till: Nicole Seiden Kopia: NHCOLL-new ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hi Nicole, Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the labels were easy after that! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. Cheers, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu From: William Poly Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM To: Simon Moore Cc: Nicole Seiden ; NHCOLL-new Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore wrote: At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. 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To my knowledge, even though scintillation jars are handy and small, they are not specifically designed for long term storage, and the weak point often is the liner inside caps, or the plastic of the lids itself. So might be worth developing a good monitoring regime once you moved the collection. With best wishes Dirk Am 02.06.2021 um 19:03 schrieb Nicole Seiden: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor > Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to > this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller > size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation > vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a > dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for > suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz > jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) > are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can > save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more > than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as > opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small > scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to > store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog > numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the > internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this > project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, > possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels > will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have > ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > *Nicki L. 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The costs are huge and the outcomes wholly antithetical to the point of having said collections in the first place. This is to say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections community. The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions to museum collections. Best wishes, Rob P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers one intended to survey. ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Sergio Montagud Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels [External Email] What an interesting information, Erik. Thanks to share Sergio From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik ?hlander Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 To: Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden Cc: NHCOLL-new Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Dear Nicki, As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of certain important specimens. Best wishes, Erik ?hlander vertebrate zoology and museum history ZOO Swedish Museum of Natural History PO Box 50007 SE-10405 Stockholm Sweden +46 0 8 5195 4118 +46 0 70 225 2716 erik.ahlander at nrm.se Fr?n: Nhcoll-l F?r Simon Moore Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 Till: Nicole Seiden Kopia: NHCOLL-new ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hi Nicole, Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the labels were easy after that! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com [cid:image001.png at 01D75936.4168EB20][cid:image002.jpg at 01D75936.4168EB20] On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. Cheers, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden >; NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19376 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From prc44 at drexel.edu Fri Jun 4 08:26:39 2021 From: prc44 at drexel.edu (Callomon,Paul) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 12:26:39 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels In-Reply-To: References: <64E5B220-A40D-4011-8BD7-3F1EC6D08F2D@btinternet.com> <9494723B-882C-485F-8CC6-EC9D85C8F268@btinternet.com> <22743f7768574746b5dd067e01a3010f@nrm.se>, Message-ID: For one method for compressing alcohol collections and dramatically reducing inspection times, see: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337950870_An_improved_design_for_the_storage_of_fluid-preserved_specimens_in_small_to_medium-sized_containers Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Rob Robins Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 8:10 AM To: Sergio Montagud ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels External. Hi Folks, Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have more efficiently. Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. We've all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs out/costs become too high (really different sides of the same coin). Crises ensue and sometimes the collections are thrown out or transferred. The costs are huge and the outcomes wholly antithetical to the point of having said collections in the first place. This is to say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections community. The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions to museum collections. Best wishes, Rob P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers one intended to survey. ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Sergio Montagud > Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels [External Email] What an interesting information, Erik. Thanks to share Sergio From: Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Erik ?hlander > Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 To: Simon Moore >, Nicole Seiden > Cc: NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Dear Nicki, As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking - maybe). I am presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of certain important specimens. Best wishes, Erik ?hlander vertebrate zoology and museum history ZOO Swedish Museum of Natural History PO Box 50007 SE-10405 Stockholm Sweden +46 0 8 5195 4118 +46 0 70 225 2716 erik.ahlander at nrm.se Fr?n: Nhcoll-l > F?r Simon Moore Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 Till: Nicole Seiden > Kopia: NHCOLL-new > ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hi Nicole, Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a cross-ref'ing number somewhere even if it's the original acquisition number. As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the labels were easy after that! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com [cid:image001.png at 01D7591B.567F4790][cid:image002.jpg at 01D7591B.567F4790] On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. Cheers, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden >; NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I'm still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I've run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2"x 3") are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example - we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I'm still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I'm curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19376 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From neumann at snsb.de Fri Jun 4 08:36:47 2021 From: neumann at snsb.de (Dirk Neumann) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 14:36:47 +0200 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels In-Reply-To: References: <64E5B220-A40D-4011-8BD7-3F1EC6D08F2D@btinternet.com> <9494723B-882C-485F-8CC6-EC9D85C8F268@btinternet.com> <22743f7768574746b5dd067e01a3010f@nrm.se> Message-ID: Hi Rob, good that you highlighted the need to adjust the setup & (systematic) arrangement of the collections as well; Nicki mentioned this but it is really worth highlighting this (and there was an early post on this by Paul Callomon, where they arranged the small jars in boxes to support monitoring and collection management). All these measures come at a cost, and often an increase in monitoring need not considered, even though increased staff time requirements are one of the most expensive factor, which is all too often ignored by administrations. We once had the same issue, (using recycled jars etc.), and choose the opposite path: investing in high quality jars to reduce staff time needed for the monitoring, because it was (and is) unlikely that we will receive more staff. But this is no remedy against crowded collections, of course. You can choose different directions, but usually you need to pay a price, and from a conservatory point of view you should be able to pay it. Just noticed that Paul linked his article while I was typing this. With best wishes Dirk Am 04.06.2021 um 14:09 schrieb Rob Robins: > Hi Folks, > Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone > working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have > more efficiently. > > Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. > We've all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs > out/costs become too high (really different sides of the same coin). > Crises ensue and sometimes the collections are thrown out or > transferred. The costs are huge and the outcomes wholly antithetical > to the point of having said collections in the first place. This is to > say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections > community. > > The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access > to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller > footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at > for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. > > I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions > to museum collections. > > Best wishes, > > Rob > > P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections > for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course > easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit > the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather > than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers > by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and > inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers > one intended to survey. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Nhcoll-l on behalf of > Sergio Montagud > *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > *[External Email]* > > What an interesting information, Erik. > Thanks to share > > Sergio > > *From: *Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik > ?hlander > *Date: *Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 > *To: *Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden > > *Cc: *NHCOLL-new > *Subject: *Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > Dear Nicki, > > As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original > label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We > have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to > take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the > specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am > presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of > original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink > and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if > chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of > certain important specimens. > > Best wishes, > > Erik ?hlander > > vertebrate zoology and museum history > > ZOO > > Swedish Museum of Natural History > > PO Box 50007 > > SE-10405 Stockholm > > Sweden > > +46 0 8 5195 4118 > > +46 0 70?225 2716 > > erik.ahlander at nrm.se > > *Fr?n:*Nhcoll-l *F?r *Simon Moore > *Skickat:* den 3 juni 2021 16:19 > *Till:* Nicole Seiden > *Kopia:* NHCOLL-new > *?mne:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > Hi Nicole, > > Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a > cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition > number. > > As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese > tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took > time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the > skills and the labels were easy after that! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS,?ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences?and?Cutlery Historian, > > www.natural-history-conservation.com > > > > cid:image001.png at 01D75936.4168EB20cid:image002.jpg at 01D75936.4168EB20 > > > > > On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! > I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of > them however, we are also planning to convert our database from > Access to Specify in the next?year or two. Until we switch into > Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and > won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm > not?keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the > notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources > (e.g., hackers, server failure, human?error, etc.), and the > curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous > curators and collectors, as others have noted. > > Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! > We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card > binder. > Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this > my next project after organizing the jars by size. > > Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, > and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, > retrieving and returning individual?labels becomes a challenge and > risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry > envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. > Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of > our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make > handling them less?hazardous. > > Cheers, > Nicki > > Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. > She/Her/Hers > Research Collection Manager > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > nseiden at fau.edu > From:?William Poly > > Sent:?Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM > To:?Simon Moore > > Cc:?Nicole Seiden >; > NHCOLL-new > > Subject:?Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > EXTERNAL EMAIL :?Exercise caution when responding, opening links, > or opening attachments. > > > And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. ?As > others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should > be saved. > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > > wrote: > At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / > redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to > preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators,?also > some historic labels. ?I was unsure about relying entirely on > digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the > days when data systems could be hacked and injected with?erasure > viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m > still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the > computer! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at > Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. > One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens > into?smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being > 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars > by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted > to ask?the community for suggestions. > > > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 > oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x > 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz > jars?though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For > example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a > single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. > The?problem with the small scintillation jars is that the > collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While > these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique > location, I?m still?uncomfortable with removing the internal > specimen labels. > > > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after > this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate > labels, possibly with reduced information. The original > handwritten?labels will likely have to stay in this folder > long-term though. > > > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might > have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own > collection? > > > > Forever curious, > > Nicki > > > > > > > > Nicki L. 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There are many reported examples of failed laser-printed labels where one finds fading text or an ?alphabet soup? at the bottom of the jar. Even dry laser-printed labels have been found to fail. One has to remember that in terms of museum specimens, we need to apply storage solutions that will hopefully last well beyond our career and for many more generations into the future. I hope this helps. Jean-Marc Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature 613 364 4066 613 851-7556 cell 613 364 4027 Fax jmgagnon at nature.ca Adresse postale / Postal Address: Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 Canada / Canada Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 From: crust-l-request at vims.edu [mailto:crust-l-request at vims.edu] On Behalf Of Michel Hendrickx Reners Sent: June 4, 2021 10:15 AM To: crust FORO ; Paolo G. Albano Subject: [EXT]Re: [crust-l:11293] Waterproof paper for samples in ethanol COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur. EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender. We are using 100% cotton paper (available in different densities). We print the collection labels with a Laser Printer. We have had these in ethanol for up to 15 years (maybe more?) and it holds very well. But pencil cannot also be used (we do so for provisional labels). Regards. Michel E. Hendrickx El vie, 4 de jun. de 2021 a la(s) 08:04, Paolo G. Albano (pgalbano at gmail.com) escribi?: Dear Colleagues, I am looking for a waterproof paper to write with pencil labels for samples in ethanol. I have seen some institutions using polyethylene sheets, but these are not easily available on the market (or maybe I am not aware of a suitable provider in the EU). In contrast, sheets in polyester are easily available, even in convenient A4 format (laser printable if necessary), but I thought polyester has poorer resistance to ethanol. Maybe I am too concerned? Do you have any suggestions or experience to share? Thank you and best regards, Paolo -- Dr. Paolo G. 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On that momentous occasion, Dr. William Croone (1633-1684) showed his fellow members of the Royal Society of London ?two embryos of puppy-dogs, which he had kept eight days, and were put in spirit in a glass-vial sealed hermetically.? Croone was a founding member and secretary of the *Royal Society of London for Improving Natural Knowledge*, the oldest scientific society in the world. Ironically, his name was misspelled as Croune in the meeting records (see below). Croone, a graduate of Cambridge University (Emmanuel College), variously served as a professor of Rhetoric at Gresham College, a physician, and an anatomy lecturer while pursing diverse interests in physics, physiology, and embryology. It was Croone?s interest in entomology that led him to discover the possibilities of fluid preservation in spirits of wine (ethyl alcohol). 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See: https://stashc.com/the-publication/labels/object-labels/polyester-film-sleeves-for-protection-of-fragile-or-damaged-specimen-labels/ Laura Rinc?n Museum Studies Master's student University of Florida Storage System for Deteriorating Fluid Specimen Labels | Storage Techniques for Art Science & History Collections A storage system developed for 35mm film negatives has been adapted for this purpose. It consists of polyester film sleeves fabricated to hold 35mm film negative strips, alkaline reserve folders designed to hold several of the sleeves, and an alkaline reserve box to hold the folders (Fig. 1). stashc.com ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Dirk Neumann Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 8:36 AM To: Rob Robins ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels [External Email] Hi Rob, good that you highlighted the need to adjust the setup & (systematic) arrangement of the collections as well; Nicki mentioned this but it is really worth highlighting this (and there was an early post on this by Paul Callomon, where they arranged the small jars in boxes to support monitoring and collection management). All these measures come at a cost, and often an increase in monitoring need not considered, even though increased staff time requirements are one of the most expensive factor, which is all too often ignored by administrations. We once had the same issue, (using recycled jars etc.), and choose the opposite path: investing in high quality jars to reduce staff time needed for the monitoring, because it was (and is) unlikely that we will receive more staff. But this is no remedy against crowded collections, of course. You can choose different directions, but usually you need to pay a price, and from a conservatory point of view you should be able to pay it. Just noticed that Paul linked his article while I was typing this. With best wishes Dirk Am 04.06.2021 um 14:09 schrieb Rob Robins: Hi Folks, Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have more efficiently. Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. We've all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs out/costs become too high (really different sides of the same coin). Crises ensue and sometimes the collections are thrown out or transferred. The costs are huge and the outcomes wholly antithetical to the point of having said collections in the first place. This is to say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections community. The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions to museum collections. Best wishes, Rob P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers one intended to survey. ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Sergio Montagud Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels [External Email] What an interesting information, Erik. Thanks to share Sergio From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik ?hlander Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 To: Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden Cc: NHCOLL-new Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Dear Nicki, As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of certain important specimens. Best wishes, Erik ?hlander vertebrate zoology and museum history ZOO Swedish Museum of Natural History PO Box 50007 SE-10405 Stockholm Sweden +46 0 8 5195 4118 +46 0 70 225 2716 erik.ahlander at nrm.se Fr?n: Nhcoll-l F?r Simon Moore Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 Till: Nicole Seiden Kopia: NHCOLL-new ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hi Nicole, Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the labels were easy after that! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com [cid:image001.png at 01D75936.4168EB20][cid:image002.jpg at 01D75936.4168EB20] On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. Cheers, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden >; NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. 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(2019). *An Alternative Shelving Arrangement for Natural History Collection Objects to Optimize Space and Task Efficiency*. https://doi.org/10.14351/0831-4985-33.1.55 or http://dx.doi.org/10.26153/tsw/13255 * fishesoftexas.org * *Dean A. Hendrickson, Ph.D. *(he/him/his), *Curator of Ichthyology ,* Integrative Biology , Biodiversity Center , University of Texas , 2900 Innovation Blvd., Austin, Texas 78758-4445 USA. +1-512-471-9774; Orcid / Bionomia / lab / collection On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 7:26 AM Callomon,Paul wrote: > For one method for compressing alcohol collections and dramatically > reducing inspection times, see: > > > > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337950870_An_improved_design_for_the_storage_of_fluid-preserved_specimens_in_small_to_medium-sized_containers > > > > > > Paul Callomon > > Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates > ------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University* > > 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA > *prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* > > > > > > > > *From:* Nhcoll-l *On Behalf Of *Rob > Robins > *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 8:10 AM > *To:* Sergio Montagud ; > nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > *External.* > > Hi Folks, > > Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone > working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have more > efficiently. > > > > Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. We've > all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs out/costs > become too high (really different sides of the same coin). Crises ensue and > sometimes the collections are thrown out or transferred. The costs are huge > and the outcomes wholly antithetical to the point of having said > collections in the first place. This is to say nothing to the very real > harm done to morale of the collections community. > > > > The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access to > large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller footprint > to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at for profit > commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. > > > > I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions to > museum collections. > > > > Best wishes, > > > Rob > > > > P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections for > evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course easily > done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit the block of > shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather than wander the > entire collection hoping to encounter small containers by chance in a > phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and inefficient procedure > predestined to skip a number of the containers one intended to survey. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Nhcoll-l on behalf of Sergio > Montagud > *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > *[External Email]* > > What an interesting information, Erik. > Thanks to share > > Sergio > > > > *From: *Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik > ?hlander > *Date: *Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 > *To: *Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden < > nseiden at fau.edu> > *Cc: *NHCOLL-new > *Subject: *Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Dear Nicki, > > > > As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! > Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the > opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the > labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the > labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining information lost > in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is > not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the > future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding > the origin of certain important specimens. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Erik ?hlander > > vertebrate zoology and museum history > > > > ZOO > > Swedish Museum of Natural History > > PO Box 50007 > > SE-10405 Stockholm > > Sweden > > +46 0 8 5195 4118 > > +46 0 70 225 2716 > > erik.ahlander at nrm.se > > > > > > > > *Fr?n:* Nhcoll-l *F?r *Simon Moore > *Skickat:* den 3 juni 2021 16:19 > *Till:* Nicole Seiden > *Kopia:* NHCOLL-new > *?mne:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Hi Nicole, > > > > Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a > cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. > > > > As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue > with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to > practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the > labels were easy after that! > > > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > www.natural-history-conservation.com > > > > > > On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! > I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them > however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to > Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos > will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the > individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels > entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable > to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and > the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous > curators and collectors, as others have noted. > > Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may > do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. > Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next > project after organizing the jars by size. > > Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if > you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and > returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the > labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like > Simon suggested. > Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our > labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them > less hazardous. > > Cheers, > Nicki > > Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. > She/Her/Hers > Research Collection Manager > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > nseiden at fau.edu > From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM > To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden ; NHCOLL-new > > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when > responding, opening links, or opening attachments. > > > And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others > noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: > At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant > labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve > handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic > labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep > this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked > and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me > which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data > to the computer! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > > https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor > Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this > project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate > jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding > and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, > and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars > so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed > with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a > substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 > scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz > jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the > collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars > will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m > still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this > project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, > possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will > likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas > on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > > > Forever curious, > > Nicki > > > > > > > > Nicki L. 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 29035 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19376 bytes Desc: not available URL: From simmons.johne at gmail.com Fri Jun 4 15:53:58 2021 From: simmons.johne at gmail.com (John E Simmons) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 15:53:58 -0400 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels In-Reply-To: References: <64E5B220-A40D-4011-8BD7-3F1EC6D08F2D@btinternet.com> <9494723B-882C-485F-8CC6-EC9D85C8F268@btinternet.com> <22743f7768574746b5dd067e01a3010f@nrm.se> Message-ID: This has been a very interesting discussion, and the broader topic of space and the ordering of collection storage arrays is increasingly problematic. A few comments followed by a proposal: 1. Saving labels. It is important to distinguish between labels that carry original information (particularly hand-written labels) and those designed to be replaced (for example, those produced by a thermal printer). As Simon, Erik, Dirk, and others have pointed out, the preservation of handwriting, ink, label style, and label substrate (paper, plastic, etc.) can all be critical factors in elucidating the history of specimens in a collection. The links that Laura provided will take you to a 1992 article by Karla Kishinami on saving labels that provides additional suggestions for how this can be done, in addition to those provided by Simon and others in today's discussion. Digitizing old labels is a good practice, but digitization will not tell you everything you need to know (such as the paper type) and there is no way to permanently store digital information. 2. Smaller Jars/More Specimens per Jar--proceed with caution if you take this approach. There is no research done on the necessary minimum ratio of fluid volume to specimen volume, but anecdotal observations indicates that it can affect long-term usefulness of specimens. The only data I am aware of comes from an unpublished Smithsonian report from 1995 in which it was determined, based on examination of specimens, that the minimum ratio of fluid to specimens should be 7:3. Cramming too many specimens in a jar not only affects the chemistry of the fluid (which constantly interacts with the specimens) but also means more handling and hence more damage to specimens when you need to get one out of the jar. 3. Collection Storage Arrays--Dean and Rob point have made excellent points about collection arrangements. Many collections can no longer afford the luxury of so-called phylogenetic arrangements of specimens. It is a poor use of space, and increasingly frequent name changes and phylogenetic re-arrangements mean a lot of time must be spent re-arranging jars. In any case, the so-called phylogenetic arrangement of a collection is not at all phylogenetic--I have yet to see shelving or cabinets arranged in branching sequences. Instead, it is a throwback to the old *scala natura* so beloved by Agassiz and his fellow Darwin deniers. It is time to give arrangement by jar size a new look. This system was used half a century or more ago and found to be difficult to use when location data was kept in awkward card files, but we have computers for that sort of thing now. The collection should not be arranged for browsing, it should arranged for efficiency of storage and retrieval and to provide the best storage environment to prolong the useful life of specimens. We dan do better than the way we use collection space now. 4. Storage Furniture--shelving and cabinets used in storage are based on designs that are centuries old and must be re-thought. One serious disadvantage to dense arrangements by jar size are that it is usually very difficult or impossible to monitor individual jars without having to pick up and move the jars in front that block your view. We need to re-think the design of storage furniture and on-shelf arrangements to overcome those problems, for example, as Paul has pointed out in the article he provided a link for. 5. Do More With Less--Personally, I dislike the phrase "do more with less" but this is a reality we all must face. Collection care staff growth is not keeping up with collection growth. Collection storage space is not keeping up with collection growth, either, nor or budgets. So its time to re-evaluate the tools we have and how we do things, with an emphasis on the use of preventive conservation (take a look at "Application of preventive conservation to solve the coming crisis in collections management" in Collection Forum, which you can download from https://spnhc.org/resources/27-1-2/). We need to be more creative about monitoring, stable storage environments, collection storage array order, tracking individual specimen use, and many other aspects of collection management. PROPOSAL: I am going to propose a workshop or symposium on the topic of future sustainable collections care practices for the 2022 SPNHC meeting in Edinburgh. If anyone is interested in participating, particularly via a presentation or poster on the topic, please let me know. This is a subject that needs some serious thought and discussion. Thanks, John John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica *and* Associate Curator of Collections Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery Penn State University *and* Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 12:27 PM Dean A. Hendrickson < deanhend at austin.utexas.edu> wrote: > More on the topic of shelving system compression to save extremely limited > space in: > > Cohen, A., Hendrickson, D., & Casarez, M. (2019). *An Alternative > Shelving Arrangement for Natural History Collection Objects to Optimize > Space and Task Efficiency*. https://doi.org/10.14351/0831-4985-33.1.55 or > http://dx.doi.org/10.26153/tsw/13255 > > > * fishesoftexas.org > * > > *Dean A. Hendrickson, Ph.D. *(he/him/his), *Curator of Ichthyology > ,* Integrative > Biology , Biodiversity > Center , University > of Texas , 2900 Innovation Blvd., Austin, Texas > 78758-4445 USA. +1-512-471-9774; Orcid > / Bionomia > / lab > / collection > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 7:26 AM Callomon,Paul wrote: > >> For one method for compressing alcohol collections and dramatically >> reducing inspection times, see: >> >> >> >> >> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337950870_An_improved_design_for_the_storage_of_fluid-preserved_specimens_in_small_to_medium-sized_containers >> >> >> >> >> >> Paul Callomon >> >> Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates >> ------------------------------ >> >> *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University* >> >> 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA >> *prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Nhcoll-l *On Behalf Of *Rob >> Robins >> *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 8:10 AM >> *To:* Sergio Montagud ; >> nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels >> >> >> >> *External.* >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone >> working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have more >> efficiently. >> >> >> >> Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. We've >> all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs out/costs >> become too high (really different sides of the same coin). Crises ensue and >> sometimes the collections are thrown out or transferred. The costs are huge >> and the outcomes wholly antithetical to the point of having said >> collections in the first place. This is to say nothing to the very real >> harm done to morale of the collections community. >> >> >> >> The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access to >> large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller footprint >> to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at for profit >> commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. >> >> >> >> I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions to >> museum collections. >> >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections for >> evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course easily >> done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit the block of >> shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather than wander the >> entire collection hoping to encounter small containers by chance in a >> phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and inefficient procedure >> predestined to skip a number of the containers one intended to survey. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Nhcoll-l on behalf of Sergio >> Montagud >> *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM >> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels >> >> >> >> *[External Email]* >> >> What an interesting information, Erik. >> Thanks to share >> >> Sergio >> >> >> >> *From: *Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik >> ?hlander >> *Date: *Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 >> *To: *Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden < >> nseiden at fau.edu> >> *Cc: *NHCOLL-new >> *Subject: *Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels >> >> >> >> Dear Nicki, >> >> >> >> As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! >> Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the >> opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the >> labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the >> labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining information lost >> in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is >> not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the >> future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding >> the origin of certain important specimens. >> >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> >> >> Erik ?hlander >> >> vertebrate zoology and museum history >> >> >> >> ZOO >> >> Swedish Museum of Natural History >> >> PO Box 50007 >> >> SE-10405 Stockholm >> >> Sweden >> >> +46 0 8 5195 4118 >> >> +46 0 70 225 2716 >> >> erik.ahlander at nrm.se >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Fr?n:* Nhcoll-l *F?r *Simon Moore >> *Skickat:* den 3 juni 2021 16:19 >> *Till:* Nicole Seiden >> *Kopia:* NHCOLL-new >> *?mne:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels >> >> >> >> Hi Nicole, >> >> >> >> Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a >> cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. >> >> >> >> As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue >> with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to >> practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the >> labels were easy after that! >> >> >> >> With all good wishes, Simon >> >> Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR >> Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, >> >> www.natural-history-conservation.com >> >> >> >> >> >> On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! >> I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them >> however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to >> Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos >> will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the >> individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels >> entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable >> to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and >> the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous >> curators and collectors, as others have noted. >> >> Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may >> do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. >> Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my >> next project after organizing the jars by size. >> >> Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if >> you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and >> returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the >> labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like >> Simon suggested. >> Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our >> labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them >> less hazardous. >> >> Cheers, >> Nicki >> >> Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. >> She/Her/Hers >> Research Collection Manager >> Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute >> nseiden at fau.edu >> From: William Poly >> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM >> To: Simon Moore >> Cc: Nicole Seiden ; NHCOLL-new < >> nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu> >> Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels >> >> EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when >> responding, opening links, or opening attachments. >> >> >> And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others >> noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore >> wrote: >> At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant >> labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve >> handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic >> labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep >> this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked >> and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me >> which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data >> to the computer! >> >> With all good wishes, Simon >> >> Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR >> Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, >> >> >> https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden wrote: >> > >> > Hello everyone, >> > >> > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor >> Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this >> project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate >> jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding >> and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, >> and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. >> > >> > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars >> so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed >> with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a >> substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 >> scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz >> jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the >> collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars >> will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m >> still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. >> > >> > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this >> project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, >> possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will >> likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. >> > >> > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have >> ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? >> > >> > Forever curious, >> > Nicki >> > >> > >> > >> > Nicki L. 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Old Croone Day is an international holiday to celebrate the first recorded mention of the preservation of scientific specimens in alcohol, which took place on 04 June of 1662. On that momentous occasion, Dr. William Croone (1633-1684) showed his fellow members of the Royal Society of London ?two embryos of puppy-dogs, which he had kept eight days, and were put in spirit in a glass-vial sealed hermetically.? Croone was a founding member and secretary of the *Royal Society of London for Improving Natural Knowledge*, the oldest scientific society in the world. Ironically, his name was misspelled as Croune in the meeting records (see below). Croone, a graduate of Cambridge University (Emmanuel College), variously served as a professor of Rhetoric at Gresham College, a physician, and an anatomy lecturer while pursing diverse interests in physics, physiology, and embryology. It was Croone?s interest in entomology that led him to discover the possibilities of fluid preservation in spirits of wine (ethyl alcohol). Let us join together to celebrate the spirit of curiosity and scientific inquiry with a glass of your favorite beverage and a toast the preservation of good friendships while basking in the pleasure of finding things out. Here?s to you, Dr. William Croone! --John John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica *and* Associate Curator of Collections Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery Penn State University *and* Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From randalas at umich.edu Fri Jun 4 20:09:00 2021 From: randalas at umich.edu (Randy Singer) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 20:09:00 -0400 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [External] Old Croone Day 2021 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's always a pleasure when I get to spend Croone day with SPNHC folks. Thanks for the history and poetry as usual John! Randy On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 7:14 PM Lance McBrayer < lancemcbrayer at georgiasouthern.edu> wrote: > Hear hear! > I like to think that 150 years later (1815-1820) that Old Croone?s > academic descendants celebrated the advancement and enjoyed an IPA similar > to that that I am enjoying, only much milder as was the style. > > Many thanks, Dr. Croone and those that had the nerve to add more hops! > > lm > > On Jun 4, 2021, at 11:48 AM, John E Simmons > wrote: > > ? > > *Old Croone Day, 04 June 2021* > > > > There was once a man, William Croone, > > Whose specimens deteriorated too soon. > > But using spirits of wine, > > He found they did fine, > > Which we celebrate each 4th of June. > > > > Old Croone Day is an international holiday to celebrate the first recorded > mention of the preservation of scientific specimens in alcohol, which took > place on 04 June of 1662. On that momentous occasion, Dr. William Croone > (1633-1684) showed his fellow members of the Royal Society of London ?two > embryos of puppy-dogs, which he had kept eight days, and were put in spirit > in a glass-vial sealed hermetically.? Croone was a founding member and > secretary of the *Royal Society of London for Improving Natural Knowledge*, > the oldest scientific society in the world. Ironically, his name was > misspelled as Croune in the meeting records (see below). > > > > Croone, a graduate of Cambridge University (Emmanuel College), variously > served as a professor of Rhetoric at Gresham College, a physician, and an anatomy > lecturer while pursing diverse interests in physics, physiology, and > embryology. It was Croone?s interest in entomology that led him to discover > the possibilities of fluid preservation in spirits of wine (ethyl alcohol). > > > > Let us join together to celebrate the spirit of curiosity and scientific > inquiry with a glass of your favorite beverage and a toast the preservation > of good friendships while basking in the pleasure of finding things out. > > > > Here?s to you, Dr. William Croone! > > > > > > > --John > > > John E. Simmons > Writer and Museum Consultant > Museologica > *and* > Associate Curator of Collections > Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery > Penn State University > *and* > Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia > Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. 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See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > -- Randy Singer, Ph.D. (Twitter - @Randchovy) Assistant Research Scientist/Collection Manager of Fishes University of Michigan Museum of Zoology 3600 Varsity Dr., Ann Arbor, MI 48108 Office: (734) 936-3754 https://lsa.umich.edu/ummz/fishes.html http://randchovy.wixsite.com/randalsinger [image: Related image] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Joachim.Haendel at zns.uni-halle.de Sat Jun 5 04:11:47 2021 From: Joachim.Haendel at zns.uni-halle.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Joachim=20H=C3=A4ndel?=) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2021 10:11:47 +0200 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Antw: Old Croone Day 2021 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60BB4DE3020000B300090ACD@zuv12.verwaltung.uni-halle.de> Thank you John! Cheers to Ol'Croone, to our collections and to you - dear colleagues ...with a glass of an excellent rum from Nicaragua. To your health and plessure Joachim -- Joachim Haendel Center of Natural SciencesCollections of the Martin-Luther-University - Entomological Collection - Domplatz 4 D-06099 Halle (Saale) Germany Phone: +49 345 - 55 26 447 Fax: +49 345 - 55 27 248 Email: joachim.haendel at zns.uni-halle.de >>> John E Simmons 04.06.21 17.49 Uhr >>> Old Croone Day, 04 June 2021 There was once a man, William Croone, Whose specimens deteriorated too soon. But using spirits of wine, He found they did fine, Which we celebrate each 4th of June. Old Croone Day is an international holiday to celebrate the first recorded mention of the preservation of scientific specimens in alcohol, which took place on 04 June of 1662. On that momentous occasion, Dr. William Croone (1633-1684) showed his fellow members of the Royal Society of London ?two embryos of puppy-dogs, which he had kept eight days, and were put in spirit in a glass-vial sealed hermetically.? Croone was a founding member and secretary of the Royal Society of London for Improving Natural Knowledge, the oldest scientific society in the world. Ironically, his name was misspelled as Croune in the meeting records (see below). Croone, a graduate of Cambridge University (Emmanuel College), variously served as a professor of Rhetoric at Gresham College, a physician, and an anatomy lecturer while pursing diverse interests in physics, physiology, and embryology. It was Croone?s interest in entomology that led him to discover the possibilities of fluid preservation in spirits of wine (ethyl alcohol). Let us join together to celebrate the spirit of curiosity and scientific inquiry with a glass of your favorite beverage and a toast the preservation of good friendships while basking in the pleasure of finding things out. Here?s to you, Dr. William Croone! --John John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica and Associate Curator of Collections Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery Penn State University and Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMAGE1.img Type: image/png Size: 44361 bytes Desc: Portable Network Graphics Format URL: From rinconrodriguezl at ufl.edu Sat Jun 5 11:59:21 2021 From: rinconrodriguezl at ufl.edu (Rincon Rodriguez,Laura) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 15:59:21 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels In-Reply-To: References: <64E5B220-A40D-4011-8BD7-3F1EC6D08F2D@btinternet.com> <9494723B-882C-485F-8CC6-EC9D85C8F268@btinternet.com> <22743f7768574746b5dd067e01a3010f@nrm.se> , Message-ID: A further explanation about John's point 3. Collection Storage Arrays--if the collection is arranged by jar size, we will be able to make the collections more accessible to the community, to people who do not necessary need a background in systematics to understand the collection. Isn't the principal purpose of a collection to have the information available for everybody? I personally feel that if we don't implement and create new alternatives based on the society's needs, we will perpetuate those old established practices that we are still trying to get rid of. We are aware of the collection's potential to play a greater role in our society, but I feel that making this arrangement by jar size, we will be able to transform collections in different aspects. I feel that if more people understand collections and know what is happening "behind scenes", we will have more diverse voices who can speak up for collections. How could we transform natural history collections in a community-centered and participatory space? For example, the physical space of a collection could have artistic interventions done by the community e.g., drawings, stickers, photos, quotes/notes can be place between the compactors, walls and shelves as a way to create a sense of welcoming and belonging spaces for both museum professionals and visitors. I speak from my experience because I don't have any background in Biology so my first experience getting into a scientific collection was very frustrating and overwhelming for me, because I wasn't even capable to understand the phylogenetic arrangement, I was thinking that maybe I shouldn't continue there but then John and his articles made me realize that I don't need to know about fish in order to care and management a collection. Rob and UF Ichthyology staff said in their improving collection grant that "this new arrangement will provide an opportunity to transform how the public interfaces with the collection as well as improve its scientific value". Also, it will better help to collections staff to explain how the museum uses the collection, how they include a wider community and how the collection impacts instead of touting the size of the collection as Trevor Jones, Rainey Tisdale and Elizabeth Wood point out in their book titled Active Collections. Also, the new collection storage leads to advocate for better collection hiring practices, an interdisciplinary staff means more support, better knowledge, major improvements, broader support, and solutions from different perspectives. Collection staff do the best they can with the resources given, but how are collection managers going to continue facing those huge challenges? Everything is connected here and change leads to another aspects. Therefore, it will be a good starting point for the field. Thanks, Laura Rinc?n Museum Studies Master's student University of Florida ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of John E Simmons Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 3:53 PM To: Dean A. Hendrickson Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu ; Sergio Montagud Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels [External Email] This has been a very interesting discussion, and the broader topic of space and the ordering of collection storage arrays is increasingly problematic. A few comments followed by a proposal: 1. Saving labels. It is important to distinguish between labels that carry original information (particularly hand-written labels) and those designed to be replaced (for example, those produced by a thermal printer). As Simon, Erik, Dirk, and others have pointed out, the preservation of handwriting, ink, label style, and label substrate (paper, plastic, etc.) can all be critical factors in elucidating the history of specimens in a collection. The links that Laura provided will take you to a 1992 article by Karla Kishinami on saving labels that provides additional suggestions for how this can be done, in addition to those provided by Simon and others in today's discussion. Digitizing old labels is a good practice, but digitization will not tell you everything you need to know (such as the paper type) and there is no way to permanently store digital information. 2. Smaller Jars/More Specimens per Jar--proceed with caution if you take this approach. There is no research done on the necessary minimum ratio of fluid volume to specimen volume, but anecdotal observations indicates that it can affect long-term usefulness of specimens. The only data I am aware of comes from an unpublished Smithsonian report from 1995 in which it was determined, based on examination of specimens, that the minimum ratio of fluid to specimens should be 7:3. Cramming too many specimens in a jar not only affects the chemistry of the fluid (which constantly interacts with the specimens) but also means more handling and hence more damage to specimens when you need to get one out of the jar. 3. Collection Storage Arrays--Dean and Rob point have made excellent points about collection arrangements. Many collections can no longer afford the luxury of so-called phylogenetic arrangements of specimens. It is a poor use of space, and increasingly frequent name changes and phylogenetic re-arrangements mean a lot of time must be spent re-arranging jars. In any case, the so-called phylogenetic arrangement of a collection is not at all phylogenetic--I have yet to see shelving or cabinets arranged in branching sequences. Instead, it is a throwback to the old scala natura so beloved by Agassiz and his fellow Darwin deniers. It is time to give arrangement by jar size a new look. This system was used half a century or more ago and found to be difficult to use when location data was kept in awkward card files, but we have computers for that sort of thing now. The collection should not be arranged for browsing, it should arranged for efficiency of storage and retrieval and to provide the best storage environment to prolong the useful life of specimens. We dan do better than the way we use collection space now. 4. Storage Furniture--shelving and cabinets used in storage are based on designs that are centuries old and must be re-thought. One serious disadvantage to dense arrangements by jar size are that it is usually very difficult or impossible to monitor individual jars without having to pick up and move the jars in front that block your view. We need to re-think the design of storage furniture and on-shelf arrangements to overcome those problems, for example, as Paul has pointed out in the article he provided a link for. 5. Do More With Less--Personally, I dislike the phrase "do more with less" but this is a reality we all must face. Collection care staff growth is not keeping up with collection growth. Collection storage space is not keeping up with collection growth, either, nor or budgets. So its time to re-evaluate the tools we have and how we do things, with an emphasis on the use of preventive conservation (take a look at "Application of preventive conservation to solve the coming crisis in collections management" in Collection Forum, which you can download from https://spnhc.org/resources/27-1-2/). We need to be more creative about monitoring, stable storage environments, collection storage array order, tracking individual specimen use, and many other aspects of collection management. PROPOSAL: I am going to propose a workshop or symposium on the topic of future sustainable collections care practices for the 2022 SPNHC meeting in Edinburgh. If anyone is interested in participating, particularly via a presentation or poster on the topic, please let me know. This is a subject that needs some serious thought and discussion. Thanks, John John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica and Associate Curator of Collections Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery Penn State University and Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 12:27 PM Dean A. Hendrickson > wrote: More on the topic of shelving system compression to save extremely limited space in: Cohen, A., Hendrickson, D., & Casarez, M. (2019). An Alternative Shelving Arrangement for Natural History Collection Objects to Optimize Space and Task Efficiency. https://doi.org/10.14351/0831-4985-33.1.55 or http://dx.doi.org/10.26153/tsw/13255 [http://www.fishesoftexas.org/static/images/fishesoftexas_logo.gif] fishesoftexas.org Dean A. Hendrickson, Ph.D. (he/him/his), Curator of Ichthyology, Integrative Biology, Biodiversity Center, University of Texas, 2900 Innovation Blvd., Austin, Texas 78758-4445 USA. +1-512-471-9774; Orcid[http://orcid.org/sites/default/files/images/orcid_16x16.png]/ Bionomia / lab / collection [https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif] On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 7:26 AM Callomon,Paul > wrote: For one method for compressing alcohol collections and dramatically reducing inspection times, see: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337950870_An_improved_design_for_the_storage_of_fluid-preserved_specimens_in_small_to_medium-sized_containers Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Rob Robins Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 8:10 AM To: Sergio Montagud >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels External. Hi Folks, Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have more efficiently. Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. We've all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs out/costs become too high (really different sides of the same coin). Crises ensue and sometimes the collections are thrown out or transferred. The costs are huge and the outcomes wholly antithetical to the point of having said collections in the first place. This is to say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections community. The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions to museum collections. Best wishes, Rob P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers one intended to survey. ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Sergio Montagud > Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels [External Email] What an interesting information, Erik. Thanks to share Sergio From: Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Erik ?hlander > Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 To: Simon Moore >, Nicole Seiden > Cc: NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Dear Nicki, As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of certain important specimens. Best wishes, Erik ?hlander vertebrate zoology and museum history ZOO Swedish Museum of Natural History PO Box 50007 SE-10405 Stockholm Sweden +46 0 8 5195 4118 +46 0 70 225 2716 erik.ahlander at nrm.se Fr?n: Nhcoll-l > F?r Simon Moore Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 Till: Nicole Seiden > Kopia: NHCOLL-new > ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hi Nicole, Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the labels were easy after that! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com [cid:a6d64848-e059-42b3-8a42-4f2748c51f8f][cid:f8df81c0-6a7b-46e1-98ad-3f1da074b0c7] On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. Cheers, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden >; NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. 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URL: From nseiden at fau.edu Mon Jun 7 10:03:48 2021 From: nseiden at fau.edu (Nicole Seiden) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 14:03:48 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Nhcoll-l Digest, Vol 109, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Erik, Rob, Paul, Sergio, and Dirk, Thank you for your insight on this topic! Paul - Thank you for the paper recommendation. We are incorporating a similar system in our re-organization project. Rather than using metal trays though, we are using plastic divider boxes that can be stacked 3-high on the shelf. Along with storage, organization and management benefits, they also provide increased protection to the smaller jars and prevent them from toppling over when locating individual vouchers. Dirk - I was not aware that smaller jars are more susceptible to evaporation, this could be a problem. Our collections are divided into 2 main 'sections', one for medical/bio-tech and one for ecology/biodiversity. The medical/bio-tech side have been using these 20mL's for several years and haven't reported any issues yet. I should also mention that I am new to this field and museum as I've just graduated with my masters and was hired in April. We are using phenolic caps with cone shaped inserts, which I am told reduces the risk for evaporation. Have you used this cap style before and if so, does it still pose the same risk? Knowing this, I will update our monitoring protocol to inspect these smaller vials. As Rob has mentioned, the updated organization system will allow for easier monitoring as all the 20mL's will be in housed on the same shelves, now in tidy boxes. Special thank you to Rob for talking with me at length about this project, the pros/cons of organization systems, and providing further insight here. Kind regards, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of nhcoll-l-request at mailman.yale.edu Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 12:27 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Nhcoll-l Digest, Vol 109, Issue 2 EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. Send Nhcoll-l mailing list submissions to nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nhcoll-l-request at mailman.yale.edu You can reach the person managing the list at nhcoll-l-owner at mailman.yale.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Nhcoll-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Sergio Montagud) 2. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Dirk Neumann) 3. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Rob Robins) 4. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Callomon,Paul) 5. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Dirk Neumann) 6. Re: [EXT]Re: [crust-l:11293] Waterproof paper for samples in ethanol (Jean-Marc Gagnon) 7. Old Croone Day 2021 (John E Simmons) 8. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Rincon Rodriguez,Laura) 9. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Dean A. Hendrickson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2021 13:47:36 +0200 From: Sergio Montagud To: Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" What an interesting information, Erik. Thanks to share Sergio From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik ?hlander Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 To: Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden Cc: NHCOLL-new Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Dear Nicki, As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of certain important specimens. Best wishes, Erik ?hlander vertebrate zoology and museum history ZOO Swedish Museum of Natural History PO Box 50007 SE-10405 Stockholm Sweden +46 0 8 5195 4118 +46 0 70 225 2716 erik.ahlander at nrm.se Fr?n: Nhcoll-l F?r Simon Moore Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 Till: Nicole Seiden Kopia: NHCOLL-new ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hi Nicole, Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the labels were easy after that! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. Cheers, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu From: William Poly Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM To: Simon Moore Cc: Nicole Seiden ; NHCOLL-new Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore wrote: At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19376 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 13:57:05 +0200 From: Dirk Neumann To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Message-ID: <486ed225-e52c-e6bb-c825-d23ea61aa74e at snsb.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Hi Nicki, please allow another observation on your interesting post: reorganising the collection into smaller jars increases the monitoring need and staff time required for the monitoring. Jars below 75 ml are more vulnerable to evaporation loss, and even though they may not dry up entirely, the preservation fluid might loose its preservation strength fast and the concentration within the 20 ml jars might drop to 50% EtOH or lower rapidly. To my knowledge, even though scintillation jars are handy and small, they are not specifically designed for long term storage, and the weak point often is the liner inside caps, or the plastic of the lids itself. So might be worth developing a good monitoring regime once you moved the collection. With best wishes Dirk Am 02.06.2021 um 19:03 schrieb Nicole Seiden: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor > Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to > this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller > size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation > vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a > dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for > suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz > jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) > are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can > save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more > than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as > opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small > scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to > store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog > numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the > internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this > project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, > possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels > will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have > ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > *Nicki L. 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This is to say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections community. The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions to museum collections. Best wishes, Rob P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers one intended to survey. ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Sergio Montagud Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels [External Email] What an interesting information, Erik. Thanks to share Sergio From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik ?hlander Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 To: Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden Cc: NHCOLL-new Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Dear Nicki, As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of certain important specimens. Best wishes, Erik ?hlander vertebrate zoology and museum history ZOO Swedish Museum of Natural History PO Box 50007 SE-10405 Stockholm Sweden +46 0 8 5195 4118 +46 0 70 225 2716 erik.ahlander at nrm.se Fr?n: Nhcoll-l F?r Simon Moore Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 Till: Nicole Seiden Kopia: NHCOLL-new ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hi Nicole, Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the labels were easy after that! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com> [cid:image001.png at 01D75936.4168EB20][cid:image002.jpg at 01D75936.4168EB20] On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. Cheers, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden >; NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. 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Hi Folks, Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have more efficiently. Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. We've all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs out/costs become too high (really different sides of the same coin). Crises ensue and sometimes the collections are thrown out or transferred. The costs are huge and the outcomes wholly antithetical to the point of having said collections in the first place. This is to say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections community. The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions to museum collections. Best wishes, Rob P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers one intended to survey. ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Sergio Montagud > Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels [External Email] What an interesting information, Erik. Thanks to share Sergio From: Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Erik ?hlander > Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 To: Simon Moore >, Nicole Seiden > Cc: NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Dear Nicki, As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking - maybe). I am presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of certain important specimens. Best wishes, Erik ?hlander vertebrate zoology and museum history ZOO Swedish Museum of Natural History PO Box 50007 SE-10405 Stockholm Sweden +46 0 8 5195 4118 +46 0 70 225 2716 erik.ahlander at nrm.se Fr?n: Nhcoll-l > F?r Simon Moore Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 Till: Nicole Seiden > Kopia: NHCOLL-new > ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hi Nicole, Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a cross-ref'ing number somewhere even if it's the original acquisition number. As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the labels were easy after that! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com ved=0> [cid:image001.png at 01D7591B.567F4790][cid:image002.jpg at 01D7591B.567F4790] On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. Cheers, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden >; NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I'm still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I've run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2"x 3") are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example - we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I'm still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I'm curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. 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We once had the same issue, (using recycled jars etc.), and choose the opposite path: investing in high quality jars to reduce staff time needed for the monitoring, because it was (and is) unlikely that we will receive more staff. But this is no remedy against crowded collections, of course. You can choose different directions, but usually you need to pay a price, and from a conservatory point of view you should be able to pay it. Just noticed that Paul linked his article while I was typing this. With best wishes Dirk Am 04.06.2021 um 14:09 schrieb Rob Robins: > Hi Folks, > Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone > working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have > more efficiently. > > Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. > We've all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs > out/costs become too high (really different sides of the same coin). > Crises ensue and sometimes the collections are thrown out or > transferred. The costs are huge and the outcomes wholly antithetical > to the point of having said collections in the first place. This is to > say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections > community. > > The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access > to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller > footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at > for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. > > I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions > to museum collections. > > Best wishes, > > Rob > > P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections > for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course > easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit > the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather > than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers > by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and > inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers > one intended to survey. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Nhcoll-l on behalf of > Sergio Montagud > *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > *[External Email]* > > What an interesting information, Erik. > Thanks to share > > Sergio > > *From: *Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik > ?hlander > *Date: *Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 > *To: *Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden > > *Cc: *NHCOLL-new > *Subject: *Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > Dear Nicki, > > As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original > label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We > have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to > take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the > specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am > presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of > original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink > and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if > chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of > certain important specimens. > > Best wishes, > > Erik ?hlander > > vertebrate zoology and museum history > > ZOO > > Swedish Museum of Natural History > > PO Box 50007 > > SE-10405 Stockholm > > Sweden > > +46 0 8 5195 4118 > > +46 0 70?225 2716 > > erik.ahlander at nrm.se > > *Fr?n:*Nhcoll-l *F?r *Simon Moore > *Skickat:* den 3 juni 2021 16:19 > *Till:* Nicole Seiden > *Kopia:* NHCOLL-new > *?mne:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > Hi Nicole, > > Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a > cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition > number. > > As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese > tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took > time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the > skills and the labels were easy after that! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS,?ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences?and?Cutlery Historian, > > www.natural-history-conservation.com > > > > cid:image001.png at 01D75936.4168EB20cid:image002.jpg at 01D75936.4168EB20 > > > > > On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! > I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of > them however, we are also planning to convert our database from > Access to Specify in the next?year or two. Until we switch into > Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and > won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm > not?keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the > notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources > (e.g., hackers, server failure, human?error, etc.), and the > curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous > curators and collectors, as others have noted. > > Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! > We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card > binder. > Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this > my next project after organizing the jars by size. > > Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, > and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, > retrieving and returning individual?labels becomes a challenge and > risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry > envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. > Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of > our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make > handling them less?hazardous. > > Cheers, > Nicki > > Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. > She/Her/Hers > Research Collection Manager > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > nseiden at fau.edu > From:?William Poly > > Sent:?Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM > To:?Simon Moore > > Cc:?Nicole Seiden >; > NHCOLL-new > > Subject:?Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > EXTERNAL EMAIL :?Exercise caution when responding, opening links, > or opening attachments. > > > And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. ?As > others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should > be saved. > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > > wrote: > At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / > redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to > preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators,?also > some historic labels. ?I was unsure about relying entirely on > digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the > days when data systems could be hacked and injected with?erasure > viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m > still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the > computer! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at > Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. > One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens > into?smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being > 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars > by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted > to ask?the community for suggestions. > > > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 > oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x > 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz > jars?though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For > example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a > single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. > The?problem with the small scintillation jars is that the > collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While > these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique > location, I?m still?uncomfortable with removing the internal > specimen labels. > > > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after > this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate > labels, possibly with reduced information. The original > handwritten?labels will likely have to stay in this folder > long-term though. > > > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might > have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own > collection? > > > > Forever curious, > > Nicki > > > > > > > > Nicki L. 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Albano" Cc: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [crust-l:11293] Waterproof paper for samples in ethanol Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Michel, Paolo, I would recommend looking at information available on the SPNHC Wiki site (https://spnhc.biowikifarm.net/wiki/Labeling_Natural_History_Collections) and some of the discussion that are archived on its NHColl ListServer (https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l). Generally speaking, it is not recommended to use laser printers as the ?permanency? can vary significantly between machines, but also between batches. There are many reported examples of failed laser-printed labels where one finds fading text or an ?alphabet soup? at the bottom of the jar. Even dry laser-printed labels have been found to fail. One has to remember that in terms of museum specimens, we need to apply storage solutions that will hopefully last well beyond our career and for many more generations into the future. I hope this helps. Jean-Marc Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature 613 364 4066 613 851-7556 cell 613 364 4027 Fax jmgagnon at nature.ca Adresse postale / Postal Address: Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 Canada / Canada Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 From: crust-l-request at vims.edu [mailto:crust-l-request at vims.edu] On Behalf Of Michel Hendrickx Reners Sent: June 4, 2021 10:15 AM To: crust FORO ; Paolo G. Albano Subject: [EXT]Re: [crust-l:11293] Waterproof paper for samples in ethanol COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur. EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender. We are using 100% cotton paper (available in different densities). We print the collection labels with a Laser Printer. We have had these in ethanol for up to 15 years (maybe more?) and it holds very well. But pencil cannot also be used (we do so for provisional labels). Regards. Michel E. Hendrickx El vie, 4 de jun. de 2021 a la(s) 08:04, Paolo G. Albano (pgalbano at gmail.com) escribi?: Dear Colleagues, I am looking for a waterproof paper to write with pencil labels for samples in ethanol. I have seen some institutions using polyethylene sheets, but these are not easily available on the market (or maybe I am not aware of a suitable provider in the EU). In contrast, sheets in polyester are easily available, even in convenient A4 format (laser printable if necessary), but I thought polyester has poorer resistance to ethanol. Maybe I am too concerned? Do you have any suggestions or experience to share? Thank you and best regards, Paolo -- Dr. Paolo G. 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On that momentous occasion, Dr. William Croone (1633-1684) showed his fellow members of the Royal Society of London ?two embryos of puppy-dogs, which he had kept eight days, and were put in spirit in a glass-vial sealed hermetically.? Croone was a founding member and secretary of the *Royal Society of London for Improving Natural Knowledge*, the oldest scientific society in the world. Ironically, his name was misspelled as Croune in the meeting records (see below). Croone, a graduate of Cambridge University (Emmanuel College), variously served as a professor of Rhetoric at Gresham College, a physician, and an anatomy lecturer while pursing diverse interests in physics, physiology, and embryology. It was Croone?s interest in entomology that led him to discover the possibilities of fluid preservation in spirits of wine (ethyl alcohol). 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It consists of polyester film sleeves fabricated to hold 35mm film negative strips, alkaline reserve folders designed to hold several of the sleeves, and an alkaline reserve box to hold the folders (Fig. 1). stashc.com ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Dirk Neumann Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 8:36 AM To: Rob Robins ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels [External Email] Hi Rob, good that you highlighted the need to adjust the setup & (systematic) arrangement of the collections as well; Nicki mentioned this but it is really worth highlighting this (and there was an early post on this by Paul Callomon, where they arranged the small jars in boxes to support monitoring and collection management). All these measures come at a cost, and often an increase in monitoring need not considered, even though increased staff time requirements are one of the most expensive factor, which is all too often ignored by administrations. We once had the same issue, (using recycled jars etc.), and choose the opposite path: investing in high quality jars to reduce staff time needed for the monitoring, because it was (and is) unlikely that we will receive more staff. But this is no remedy against crowded collections, of course. You can choose different directions, but usually you need to pay a price, and from a conservatory point of view you should be able to pay it. Just noticed that Paul linked his article while I was typing this. With best wishes Dirk Am 04.06.2021 um 14:09 schrieb Rob Robins: Hi Folks, Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have more efficiently. Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. We've all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs out/costs become too high (really different sides of the same coin). Crises ensue and sometimes the collections are thrown out or transferred. The costs are huge and the outcomes wholly antithetical to the point of having said collections in the first place. This is to say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections community. The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions to museum collections. Best wishes, Rob P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers one intended to survey. ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Sergio Montagud Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels [External Email] What an interesting information, Erik. Thanks to share Sergio From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik ?hlander Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 To: Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden Cc: NHCOLL-new Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Dear Nicki, As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of certain important specimens. Best wishes, Erik ?hlander vertebrate zoology and museum history ZOO Swedish Museum of Natural History PO Box 50007 SE-10405 Stockholm Sweden +46 0 8 5195 4118 +46 0 70 225 2716 erik.ahlander at nrm.se Fr?n: Nhcoll-l F?r Simon Moore Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 Till: Nicole Seiden Kopia: NHCOLL-new ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hi Nicole, Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the labels were easy after that! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com> [cid:image001.png at 01D75936.4168EB20][cid:image002.jpg at 01D75936.4168EB20] On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. Cheers, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden >; NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. 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(2019). *An Alternative Shelving Arrangement for Natural History Collection Objects to Optimize Space and Task Efficiency*. https://doi.org/10.14351/0831-4985-33.1.55 or http://dx.doi.org/10.26153/tsw/13255 * fishesoftexas.org * *Dean A. Hendrickson, Ph.D. *(he/him/his), *Curator of Ichthyology ,* Integrative Biology , Biodiversity Center , University of Texas , 2900 Innovation Blvd., Austin, Texas 78758-4445 USA. +1-512-471-9774; Orcid / Bionomia / lab / collection On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 7:26 AM Callomon,Paul wrote: > For one method for compressing alcohol collections and dramatically > reducing inspection times, see: > > > > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337950870_An_improved_design_for_the_storage_of_fluid-preserved_specimens_in_small_to_medium-sized_containers > > > > > > Paul Callomon > > Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates > ------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University* > > 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA > *prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* > > > > > > > > *From:* Nhcoll-l *On Behalf Of *Rob > Robins > *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 8:10 AM > *To:* Sergio Montagud ; > nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > *External.* > > Hi Folks, > > Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone > working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have more > efficiently. > > > > Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. We've > all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs out/costs > become too high (really different sides of the same coin). Crises ensue and > sometimes the collections are thrown out or transferred. The costs are huge > and the outcomes wholly antithetical to the point of having said > collections in the first place. This is to say nothing to the very real > harm done to morale of the collections community. > > > > The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access to > large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller footprint > to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at for profit > commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. > > > > I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions to > museum collections. > > > > Best wishes, > > > Rob > > > > P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections for > evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course easily > done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit the block of > shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather than wander the > entire collection hoping to encounter small containers by chance in a > phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and inefficient procedure > predestined to skip a number of the containers one intended to survey. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Nhcoll-l on behalf of Sergio > Montagud > *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > *[External Email]* > > What an interesting information, Erik. > Thanks to share > > Sergio > > > > *From: *Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik > ?hlander > *Date: *Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 > *To: *Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden < > nseiden at fau.edu> > *Cc: *NHCOLL-new > *Subject: *Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Dear Nicki, > > > > As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! > Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the > opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the > labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the > labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining information lost > in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is > not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the > future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding > the origin of certain important specimens. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Erik ?hlander > > vertebrate zoology and museum history > > > > ZOO > > Swedish Museum of Natural History > > PO Box 50007 > > SE-10405 Stockholm > > Sweden > > +46 0 8 5195 4118 > > +46 0 70 225 2716 > > erik.ahlander at nrm.se > > > > > > > > *Fr?n:* Nhcoll-l *F?r *Simon Moore > *Skickat:* den 3 juni 2021 16:19 > *Till:* Nicole Seiden > *Kopia:* NHCOLL-new > *?mne:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Hi Nicole, > > > > Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a > cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. > > > > As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue > with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to > practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the > labels were easy after that! > > > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > www.natural-history-conservation.com > > > > > > On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! > I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them > however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to > Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos > will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the > individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels > entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable > to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and > the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous > curators and collectors, as others have noted. > > Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may > do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. > Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next > project after organizing the jars by size. > > Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if > you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and > returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the > labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like > Simon suggested. > Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our > labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them > less hazardous. > > Cheers, > Nicki > > Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. > She/Her/Hers > Research Collection Manager > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > nseiden at fau.edu > From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM > To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden ; NHCOLL-new > > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when > responding, opening links, or opening attachments. > > > And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others > noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: > At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant > labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve > handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic > labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep > this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked > and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me > which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data > to the computer! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > > https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor > Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this > project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate > jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding > and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, > and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars > so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed > with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a > substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 > scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz > jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the > collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars > will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m > still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this > project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, > possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will > likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas > on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > > > Forever curious, > > Nicki > > > > > > > > Nicki L. 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If ecks and threads are standardised, you may be able to exchange the caps if they fail, but here comes the point into play I mentioned earlier: required staff time to do the job. This adds to the increased monitoring. With best wishes Dirk Am 07.06.2021 um 16:03 schrieb Nicole Seiden: > Dear Erik, Rob, Paul, Sergio, and Dirk, > > Thank you for your insight on this topic! > > Paul - Thank you for the paper recommendation. We are incorporating a > similar system in our re-organization project. Rather than using metal > trays though, we are using plastic divider boxes > ?that > can be stacked 3-high on the shelf. Along with storage, organization > and management benefits, they also provide increased protection to the > smaller jars and prevent them from toppling over when locating > individual vouchers. > > Dirk - I was not aware that smaller jars are more susceptible to > evaporation, this could be a problem. Our collections are divided into > 2 main 'sections', one for medical/bio-tech and one for > ecology/biodiversity. The medical/bio-tech side have been using these > 20mL's for several years and haven't reported any issues yet. I should > also mention that I am new to this field and museum as I've just > graduated with my masters and was hired in April. We are using > phenolic caps with cone shaped inserts > , > which I am told reduces the risk for evaporation. Have you used this > cap style before and if so, does it still pose the same risk? > Knowing this, I will update our monitoring protocol to inspect these > smaller vials. As Rob has mentioned, the updated organization system > will allow for easier monitoring as all the 20mL's will be in housed > on the same shelves, now in tidy boxes. > > Special thank you to Rob for talking with me at length about this > project, the pros/cons of organization systems, and providing further > insight here. > > Kind regards, > Nicki > > *Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc.* > > She/Her/Hers > > /Research Collection Manager/ > > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > > nseiden at fau.edu > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Nhcoll-l on behalf of > nhcoll-l-request at mailman.yale.edu > *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 12:27 PM > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Nhcoll-l Digest, Vol 109, Issue 2 > ? EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or > opening attachments. > > Send Nhcoll-l mailing list submissions to > ??????? nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ??????? nhcoll-l-request at mailman.yale.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ??????? nhcoll-l-owner at mailman.yale.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Nhcoll-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ?? 1. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Sergio Montagud) > ?? 2. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Dirk Neumann) > ?? 3. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Rob Robins) > ?? 4. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Callomon,Paul) > ?? 5. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Dirk Neumann) > ?? 6. Re: [EXT]Re: [crust-l:11293] Waterproof paper for samples in > ????? ethanol (Jean-Marc Gagnon) > ?? 7. Old Croone Day 2021 (John E Simmons) > ?? 8. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > ????? (Rincon Rodriguez,Laura) > ?? 9. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Dean A. Hendrickson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2021 13:47:36 +0200 > From: Sergio Montagud > To: > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > What an interesting information, Erik. > Thanks to share > > Sergio > > > > From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik > ?hlander > Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 > To: Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden > > Cc: NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Dear Nicki, > > > > As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original > label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We > have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to > take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the > specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am > presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of > original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink > and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if > chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of > certain important specimens. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Erik ?hlander > > vertebrate zoology and museum history > > > > ZOO > > Swedish Museum of Natural History > > PO Box 50007 > > SE-10405 Stockholm > > Sweden > > +46 0 8 5195 4118 > > +46 0 70 225 2716 > > erik.ahlander at nrm.se > > > > > > > > Fr?n: Nhcoll-l F?r Simon Moore > Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 > Till: Nicole Seiden > Kopia: NHCOLL-new > ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Hi Nicole, > > > > Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a > cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition > number. > > > > As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese > tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took > time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the > skills and the labels were easy after that! > > > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > www.natural-history-conservation.com > > > > > > > > > On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! > I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them > however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to > Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our > photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached > to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the > labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains > vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human > error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the > handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. > > Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We > may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. > Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my > next project after organizing the jars by size. > > Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and > if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving > and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging > the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing > system like Simon suggested. > Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our > labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling > them less hazardous. > > Cheers, > Nicki > > Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. > She/Her/Hers > Research Collection Manager > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > nseiden at fau.edu > From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM > To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden ; NHCOLL-new > > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > ??????????????????????????????? EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when > responding, opening links, or opening attachments. > > > And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others > noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: > At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant > labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve > handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic > labels.? I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to > keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could > be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an > impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about > trusting all of my vital data to the computer! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor > Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to > this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller > size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation > vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a > dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for > suggestions. > > > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz > jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) > are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can > save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more > than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as > opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small > scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to > store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog > numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the > internal specimen labels. > > > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this > project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, > possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels > will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have > ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > > > Forever curious, > > Nicki > > > > > > > > Nicki L. 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Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.png > Type: image/png > Size: 29035 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image002.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 19376 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 13:57:05 +0200 > From: Dirk Neumann > To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > Message-ID: <486ed225-e52c-e6bb-c825-d23ea61aa74e at snsb.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" > > Hi Nicki, > > please allow another observation on your interesting post: reorganising > the collection into smaller jars increases the monitoring need and staff > time required for the monitoring. Jars below 75 ml are more vulnerable > to evaporation loss, and even though they may not dry up entirely, the > preservation fluid might loose its preservation strength fast and the > concentration within the 20 ml jars might drop to 50% EtOH or lower > rapidly. > > To my knowledge, even though scintillation jars are handy and small, > they are not specifically designed for long term storage, and the weak > point often is the liner inside caps, or the plastic of the lids itself. > So might be worth developing a good monitoring regime once you moved the > collection. > > With best wishes > Dirk > > > > Am 02.06.2021 um 19:03 schrieb Nicole Seiden: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor > > Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to > > this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller > > size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation > > vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a > > dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for > > suggestions. > > > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz > > jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) > > are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can > > save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more > > than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as > > opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small > > scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to > > store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog > > numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the > > internal specimen labels. > > > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this > > project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, > > possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels > > will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have > > ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > > > Forever curious, > > Nicki > > > > > > > > *Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc.* > > > > She/Her/Hers > > > > /Research Collection Manager/ > > > > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > > > > nseiden at fau.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nhcoll-l mailing list > > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for > membership information. > > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > > > -- > > > Dirk Neumann > > Tel: 089 / 8107-111 > Fax: 089 / 8107-300 > neumann(a)snsb.de > > Postanschrift: > > Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns > Zoologische Staatssammlung M?nchen > Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Storage > M?nchhausenstr. 21 > 81247 M?nchen > > Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung: > http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ > > > --------- > > Dirk Neumann > > Tel: +49-89-8107-111 > Fax: +49-89-8107-300 > neumann(a)snsb.de > > postal address: > > Bavarian Natural History Collections > The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology > Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage > Muenchhausenstr. 21 > 81247 Munich (Germany) > > Visit our section at: > http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: modeadbglbiooljk.png > Type: image/png > Size: 23308 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 12:09:59 +0000 > From: Rob Robins > To: Sergio Montagud , > ??????? "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Hi Folks, > Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone > working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have > more efficiently. > > Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. > We've all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs > out/costs become too high (really different sides of the same coin). > Crises ensue and sometimes the collections are thrown out or > transferred. The costs are huge and the outcomes wholly antithetical > to the point of having said collections in the first place. This is to > say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections > community. > > The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access > to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller > footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at > for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. > > I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions > to museum collections. > > Best wishes, > > Rob > > P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections > for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course > easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit > the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather > than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers > by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and > inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers > one intended to survey. > > ________________________________ > From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Sergio > Montagud > Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM > To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > [External Email] > > What an interesting information, Erik. > Thanks to share > > Sergio > > > > From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik > ?hlander > Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 > To: Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden > > Cc: NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Dear Nicki, > > > > As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original > label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We > have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to > take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the > specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am > presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of > original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink > and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if > chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of > certain important specimens. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Erik ?hlander > > vertebrate zoology and museum history > > > > ZOO > > Swedish Museum of Natural History > > PO Box 50007 > > SE-10405 Stockholm > > Sweden > > +46 0 8 5195 4118 > > +46 0 70 225 2716 > > erik.ahlander at nrm.se > > > > > > > > Fr?n: Nhcoll-l F?r Simon Moore > Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 > Till: Nicole Seiden > Kopia: NHCOLL-new > ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Hi Nicole, > > > > Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a > cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition > number. > > > > As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese > tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took > time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the > skills and the labels were easy after that! > > > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > www.natural-history-conservation.com > > > > [cid:image001.png at 01D75936.4168EB20][cid:image002.jpg at 01D75936.4168EB20] > > > > > On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! > I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them > however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to > Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our > photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached > to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the > labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains > vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human > error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the > handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. > > Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We > may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. > Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my > next project after organizing the jars by size. > > Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and > if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving > and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging > the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing > system like Simon suggested. > Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our > labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling > them less hazardous. > > Cheers, > Nicki > > Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. > She/Her/Hers > Research Collection Manager > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > nseiden at fau.edu> > From: William Poly > > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM > To: Simon Moore > > > Cc: Nicole Seiden >; > NHCOLL-new > > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > ??????????????????????????????? EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when > responding, opening links, or opening attachments. > > > And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others > noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > > wrote: > At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant > labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve > handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic > labels.? I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to > keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could > be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an > impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about > trusting all of my vital data to the computer! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > ?4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-2DXt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2D2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj-5FVLLpWB-5F1ewWo-5FaTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-2DGZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-2DcD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8-5FXaLUABPEX&d=DwMFaQ&c=sJ6xIWYx-zLMB3EPkvcnVg&r=MCIx6IevDpZN7oPx8SAIb6_HvqHJFo2if2SZHHR4kiQ&m=Do8wK8QLw2Hv_hyYRly2_UlwHqk7xyz6R1nK00Y81Xg&s=nj1Q-THuj1gY-39rjWjJsHe4k_LxV5at8Xp9flv9ckc&e=> > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > > wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor > Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to > this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller > size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation > vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a > dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for > suggestions. > > > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz > jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) > are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can > save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more > than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as > opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small > scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to > store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog > numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the > internal specimen labels. > > > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this > project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, > possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels > will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have > ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > > > Forever curious, > > Nicki > > > > > > > > Nicki L. 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Advertising on NH-COLL-L > is inappropriate. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.png > Type: image/png > Size: 29035 bytes > Desc: image001.png > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image002.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 19376 bytes > Desc: image002.jpg > URL: > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 12:26:39 +0000 > From: "Callomon,Paul" > To: Rob Robins , Sergio Montagud > ??????? , "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" > ??????? > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > For one method for compressing alcohol collections and dramatically > reducing inspection times, see: > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337950870_An_improved_design_for_the_storage_of_fluid-preserved_specimens_in_small_to_medium-sized_containers > > > > Paul Callomon > Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates > ________________________________ > Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University > 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA > prc44 at drexel.edu> > Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 > > > > From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Rob Robins > Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 8:10 AM > To: Sergio Montagud ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > External. > Hi Folks, > Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone > working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have > more efficiently. > > Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. > We've all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs > out/costs become too high (really different sides of the same coin). > Crises ensue and sometimes the collections are thrown out or > transferred. The costs are huge and the outcomes wholly antithetical > to the point of having said collections in the first place. This is to > say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections > community. > > The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access > to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller > footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at > for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. > > I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions > to museum collections. > > Best wishes, > > Rob > > P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections > for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course > easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit > the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather > than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers > by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and > inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers > one intended to survey. > > ________________________________ > From: Nhcoll-l > > > on behalf of Sergio Montagud > > > Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM > To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > [External Email] > > What an interesting information, Erik. > Thanks to share > > Sergio > > > > From: Nhcoll-l > > > on behalf of Erik ?hlander > > > Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 > To: Simon Moore > >, Nicole > Seiden > > Cc: NHCOLL-new > > > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Dear Nicki, > > > > As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original > label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We > have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to > take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the > specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking - maybe). I am > presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of > original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink > and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if > chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of > certain important specimens. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Erik ?hlander > > vertebrate zoology and museum history > > > > ZOO > > Swedish Museum of Natural History > > PO Box 50007 > > SE-10405 Stockholm > > Sweden > > +46 0 8 5195 4118 > > +46 0 70 225 2716 > > erik.ahlander at nrm.se > > > > > > > > Fr?n: Nhcoll-l > > > F?r Simon Moore > Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 > Till: Nicole Seiden > > Kopia: NHCOLL-new > > > ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Hi Nicole, > > > > Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a > cross-ref'ing number somewhere even if it's the original acquisition > number. > > > > As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese > tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took > time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the > skills and the labels were easy after that! > > > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > www.natural-history-conservation.com > ?ved=0> > > > [cid:image001.png at 01D7591B.567F4790][cid:image002.jpg at 01D7591B.567F4790] > > > > On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! > I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them > however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to > Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our > photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached > to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the > labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains > vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human > error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the > handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. > > Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We > may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. > Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my > next project after organizing the jars by size. > > Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and > if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving > and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging > the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing > system like Simon suggested. > Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our > labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling > them less hazardous. > > Cheers, > Nicki > > Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. > She/Her/Hers > Research Collection Manager > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > nseiden at fau.edu> > From: William Poly > > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM > To: Simon Moore > > > Cc: Nicole Seiden >; > NHCOLL-new > > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > ??????????????????????????????? EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when > responding, opening links, or opening attachments. > > > And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others > noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > > wrote: > At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant > labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve > handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic > labels.? I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to > keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could > be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an > impression with me which is why I'm still rather sceptical about > trusting all of my vital data to the computer! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > ?PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9-5F0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-2DXt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2D2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj-5FVLLpWB-5F1ewWo-5FaTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-2DGZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-2DcD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8-5FXaLUABPEX%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DsJ6xIWYx-zLMB3EPkvcnVg%26r%3DMCIx6IevDpZN7oPx8SAIb6_HvqHJFo2if2SZHHR4kiQ%26m%3DDo8wK8QLw2Hv_hyYRly2_UlwHqk7xyz6R1nK00Y81Xg%26s%3Dnj1Q-THuj1gY-39rjWjJsHe4k_LxV5at8Xp9flv9ckc%26e%3D&data=04%7C01%7Cprc44%40drexel.edu%7C585e7512844043ac55de08d927526048%7C3664e6fa47bd45a696708c4f080f8ca6%7C0%7C1%7C637584057028927765%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=EsZSKFXkmfXwipdmccRGFInAumyUtdIIZXrunkigqds%3D&reserved=0> > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > > wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor > Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to > this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller > size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation > vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I've run into a > dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for > suggestions. > > > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz > jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2"x 3") > are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can > save a substantial amount of space. For example - we can house more > than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as > opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small > scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to > store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog > numbers and unique location, I'm still uncomfortable with removing the > internal specimen labels. > > > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this > project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, > possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels > will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > > > I'm curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have > ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > > > Forever curious, > > Nicki > > > > > > > > Nicki L. 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Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.png > Type: image/png > Size: 29035 bytes > Desc: image001.png > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image002.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 19376 bytes > Desc: image002.jpg > URL: > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 14:36:47 +0200 > From: Dirk Neumann > To: Rob Robins , "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" > ??????? > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" > > Hi Rob, > > good that you highlighted the need to adjust the setup & (systematic) > arrangement of the collections as well; Nicki mentioned this but it is > really worth highlighting this (and there was an early post on this by > Paul Callomon, where they arranged the small jars in boxes to support > monitoring and collection management). > > All these measures come at a cost, and often an increase in monitoring > need not considered, even though increased staff time requirements are > one of the most expensive factor, which is all too often ignored by > administrations. > > We once had the same issue, (using recycled jars etc.), and choose the > opposite path: investing in high quality jars to reduce staff time > needed for the monitoring, because it was (and is) unlikely that we will > receive more staff. But this is no remedy against crowded collections, > of course. > > You can choose different directions, but usually you need to pay a > price, and from a conservatory point of view you should be able to pay > it. Just noticed that Paul linked his article while I was typing this. > > With best wishes > Dirk > > > Am 04.06.2021 um 14:09 schrieb Rob Robins: > > Hi Folks, > > Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone > > working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have > > more efficiently. > > > > Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. > > We've all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs > > out/costs become too high (really different sides of the same coin). > > Crises ensue and sometimes the collections are thrown out or > > transferred. The costs are huge and the outcomes wholly antithetical > > to the point of having said collections in the first place. This is to > > say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections > > community. > > > > The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access > > to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller > > footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at > > for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. > > > > I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions > > to museum collections. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Rob > > > > P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections > > for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course > > easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit > > the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather > > than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers > > by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and > > inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers > > one intended to survey. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Nhcoll-l on behalf of > > Sergio Montagud > > *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM > > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > *[External Email]* > > > > What an interesting information, Erik. > > Thanks to share > > > > Sergio > > > > *From: *Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik > > ?hlander > > *Date: *Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 > > *To: *Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden > > > > *Cc: *NHCOLL-new > > *Subject: *Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Dear Nicki, > > > > As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original > > label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We > > have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to > > take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the > > specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am > > presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of > > original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink > > and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if > > chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of > > certain important specimens. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Erik ?hlander > > > > vertebrate zoology and museum history > > > > ZOO > > > > Swedish Museum of Natural History > > > > PO Box 50007 > > > > SE-10405 Stockholm > > > > Sweden > > > > +46 0 8 5195 4118 > > > > +46 0 70?225 2716 > > > > erik.ahlander at nrm.se > > > > *Fr?n:*Nhcoll-l *F?r *Simon Moore > > *Skickat:* den 3 juni 2021 16:19 > > *Till:* Nicole Seiden > > *Kopia:* NHCOLL-new > > *?mne:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Hi Nicole, > > > > Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a > > cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition > > number. > > > > As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese > > tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took > > time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the > > skills and the labels were easy after that! > > > > With all good wishes, Simon > > > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS,?ACR > > Conservator of Natural Sciences?and?Cutlery Historian, > > > > www.natural-history-conservation.com > > > > > > > > > > > cid:image001.png at 01D75936.4168EB20cid:image002.jpg at 01D75936.4168EB20 > > > > > > > > > >???? On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden >???? >> wrote: > > > >???? Hello everyone, > > > >???? Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! > >???? I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of > >???? them however, we are also planning to convert our database from > >???? Access to Specify in the next?year or two. Until we switch into > >???? Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and > >???? won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm > >???? not?keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the > >???? notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources > >???? (e.g., hackers, server failure, human?error, etc.), and the > >???? curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous > >???? curators and collectors, as others have noted. > > > >???? Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! > >???? We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card > >???? binder. > >???? Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this > >???? my next project after organizing the jars by size. > > > >???? Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, > >???? and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, > >???? retrieving and returning individual?labels becomes a challenge and > >???? risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry > >???? envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. > >???? Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of > >???? our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make > >???? handling them less?hazardous. > > > >???? Cheers, > >???? Nicki > > > >???? Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. > >???? She/Her/Hers > >???? Research Collection Manager > >???? Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > >???? nseiden at fau.edu > > >???? From:?William Poly >???? >> > >???? Sent:?Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM > >???? To:?Simon Moore >???? >> > >???? Cc:?Nicole Seiden >>; > >???? NHCOLL-new >???? >> > >???? Subject:?Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > >???? EXTERNAL EMAIL :?Exercise caution when responding, opening links, > >???? or opening attachments. > > > > > >???? And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. ?As > >???? others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should > >???? be saved. > > > > > >???? On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > >???? >> wrote: > >???? At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / > >???? redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to > >???? preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators,?also > >???? some historic labels. ?I was unsure about relying entirely on > >???? digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the > >???? days when data systems could be hacked and injected with?erasure > >???? viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m > >???? still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the > >???? computer! > > > >???? With all good wishes, Simon > > > >???? Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > >???? Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > > > > https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > > >???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >???? > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden >???? >> wrote: > >???? > > >???? > Hello everyone, > >???? > > >???? > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at > >???? Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. > >???? One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens > >???? into?smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being > >???? 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars > >???? by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted > >???? to ask?the community for suggestions. > >???? > > >???? > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 > >???? oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x > >???? 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz > >???? jars?though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For > >???? example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a > >???? single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. > >???? The?problem with the small scintillation jars is that the > >???? collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While > >???? these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique > >???? location, I?m still?uncomfortable with removing the internal > >???? specimen labels. > >???? > > >???? > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after > >???? this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate > >???? labels, possibly with reduced information. The original > >???? handwritten?labels will likely have to stay in this folder > >???? long-term though. > >???? > > >???? > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might > >???? have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own > >???? collection? > >???? > > >???? > Forever curious, > >???? > Nicki > >???? > > >???? > > >???? > > >???? > Nicki L. 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Albano" > Cc: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [crust-l:11293] Waterproof paper for > ??????? samples in ethanol > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Michel, Paolo, > > I would recommend looking at information available on the SPNHC Wiki > site > (https://spnhc.biowikifarm.net/wiki/Labeling_Natural_History_Collections > ) > and some of the discussion that are archived on its NHColl ListServer > (https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > ). > > Generally speaking, it is not recommended to use laser printers as the > ?permanency? can vary significantly between machines, but also between > batches. There are many reported examples of failed laser-printed > labels where one finds fading text or an ?alphabet soup? at the bottom > of the jar. Even dry laser-printed labels have been found to fail. > > One has to remember that in terms of museum specimens, we need to > apply storage solutions that will hopefully last well beyond our > career and for many more generations into the future. > > I hope this helps. > > Jean-Marc > > Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) > Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist > Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef > Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature > 613 364 4066 > 613 851-7556 cell > 613 364 4027 Fax > jmgagnon at nature.ca> > > Adresse postale / Postal Address: > Canadian Museum of Nature?????????? / Mus?e canadien de la nature > P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D?? / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D > Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4????????????????????????? / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 > Canada???????????????????????????????????????????????? / Canada > > Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : > 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 > > > > > From: crust-l-request at vims.edu [mailto:crust-l-request at vims.edu > ] On Behalf Of Michel Hendrickx Reners > Sent: June 4, 2021 10:15 AM > To: crust FORO ; Paolo G. Albano > Subject: [EXT]Re: [crust-l:11293] Waterproof paper for samples in ethanol > > COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins > que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur. > EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know > the sender. > We are using 100% cotton paper (available in different densities). We > print the collection labels with a Laser Printer. We have had these in > ethanol for up to 15 years (maybe more?) and it holds very well. But > pencil cannot also be used (we do so for provisional labels). > Regards. > Michel E. Hendrickx > > > > El vie, 4 de jun. de 2021 a la(s) 08:04, Paolo G. Albano > (pgalbano at gmail.com) escribi?: > Dear Colleagues, > I am looking for a waterproof paper to write with pencil labels for > samples in ethanol. > I have seen some institutions using polyethylene sheets, but these are > not easily available on the market (or maybe I am not aware of a > suitable provider in the EU). > In contrast, sheets in polyester are easily available, even in > convenient A4 format (laser printable if necessary), but I thought > polyester has poorer resistance to ethanol. Maybe I am too concerned? > Do you have any suggestions or experience to share? > Thank you and best regards, > Paolo > > -- > > > > Dr. Paolo G. 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On that momentous occasion, Dr. William Croone > (1633-1684) showed his fellow members of the Royal Society of London ?two > embryos of puppy-dogs, which he had kept eight days, and were put in > spirit > in a glass-vial sealed hermetically.? Croone was a founding member and > secretary of the *Royal Society of London for Improving Natural > Knowledge*, > the oldest scientific society in the world. Ironically, his name was > misspelled as Croune in the meeting records (see below). > > > > Croone, a graduate of Cambridge University (Emmanuel College), variously > served as a professor of Rhetoric at Gresham College, a physician, and > an anatomy > lecturer while pursing diverse interests in physics, physiology, and > embryology. It was Croone?s interest in entomology that led him to > discover > the possibilities of fluid preservation in spirits of wine (ethyl > alcohol). > > > > Let us join together to celebrate the spirit of curiosity and scientific > inquiry with a glass of your favorite beverage and a toast the > preservation > of good friendships while basking in the pleasure of finding things out. > > > > Here?s to you, Dr. William Croone! > > > > [image: image.png] > > --John > > > John E. Simmons > Writer and Museum Consultant > Museologica > *and* > Associate Curator of Collections > Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery > Penn State University > *and* > Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia > Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image.png > Type: image/png > Size: 44361 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 16:01:29 +0000 > From: "Rincon Rodriguez,Laura" > To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Hello Nicki, > > For storage of internal labels. see: > > https://stashc.com/the-publication/labels/object-labels/storage-system-for-deteriorating-fluid-specimen-labels/ > > > For protection of fragile or damaged labels. See: > > https://stashc.com/the-publication/labels/object-labels/polyester-film-sleeves-for-protection-of-fragile-or-damaged-specimen-labels/ > > > > Laura Rinc?n > Museum Studies Master's student > University of Florida > Storage System for Deteriorating Fluid Specimen Labels | Storage > Techniques for Art Science & History > Collections > > A storage system developed for 35mm film negatives has been adapted > for this purpose. It consists of polyester film sleeves fabricated to > hold 35mm film negative strips, alkaline reserve folders designed to > hold several of the sleeves, and an alkaline reserve box to hold the > folders (Fig. 1). > stashc.com > > > ________________________________ > From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Dirk > Neumann > Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 8:36 AM > To: Rob Robins ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > [External Email] > Hi Rob, > > good that you highlighted the need to adjust the setup & (systematic) > arrangement of the collections as well; Nicki mentioned this but it is > really worth highlighting this (and there was an early post on this by > Paul Callomon, where they arranged the small jars in boxes to support > monitoring and collection management). > > All these measures come at a cost, and often an increase in monitoring > need not considered, even though increased staff time requirements are > one of the most expensive factor, which is all too often ignored by > administrations. > > We once had the same issue, (using recycled jars etc.), and choose the > opposite path: investing in high quality jars to reduce staff time > needed for the monitoring, because it was (and is) unlikely that we > will receive more staff. But this is no remedy against crowded > collections, of course. > > You can choose different directions, but usually you need to pay a > price, and from a conservatory point of view you should be able to pay > it. Just noticed that Paul linked his article while I was typing this. > > With best wishes > Dirk > > > Am 04.06.2021 um 14:09 schrieb Rob Robins: > Hi Folks, > Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone > working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have > more efficiently. > > Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. > We've all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs > out/costs become too high (really different sides of the same coin). > Crises ensue and sometimes the collections are thrown out or > transferred. The costs are huge and the outcomes wholly antithetical > to the point of having said collections in the first place. This is to > say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections > community. > > The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access > to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller > footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at > for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. > > I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions > to museum collections. > > Best wishes, > > Rob > > P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections > for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course > easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit > the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather > than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers > by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and > inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers > one intended to survey. > > ________________________________ > From: Nhcoll-l > > on behalf of Sergio Montagud > > Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM > To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > [External Email] > > What an interesting information, Erik. > Thanks to share > > Sergio > > > > From: Nhcoll-l > > on behalf of Erik ?hlander > > Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 > To: Simon Moore > , Nicole > Seiden > Cc: NHCOLL-new > > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Dear Nicki, > > > > As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original > label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We > have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to > take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the > specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am > presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of > original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink > and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if > chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of > certain important specimens. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Erik ?hlander > > vertebrate zoology and museum history > > > > ZOO > > Swedish Museum of Natural History > > PO Box 50007 > > SE-10405 Stockholm > > Sweden > > +46 0 8 5195 4118 > > +46 0 70 225 2716 > > erik.ahlander at nrm.se > > > > > > > > Fr?n: Nhcoll-l > > F?r Simon Moore > Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 > Till: Nicole Seiden > Kopia: NHCOLL-new > > ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Hi Nicole, > > > > Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a > cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition > number. > > > > As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese > tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took > time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the > skills and the labels were easy after that! > > > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > www.natural-history-conservation.com > > > > [cid:image001.png at 01D75936.4168EB20][cid:image002.jpg at 01D75936.4168EB20] > > > > > On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! > I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them > however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to > Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our > photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached > to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the > labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains > vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human > error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the > handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. > > Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We > may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. > Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my > next project after organizing the jars by size. > > Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and > if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving > and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging > the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing > system like Simon suggested. > Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our > labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling > them less hazardous. > > Cheers, > Nicki > > Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. > She/Her/Hers > Research Collection Manager > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > nseiden at fau.edu> > From: William Poly > > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM > To: Simon Moore > > > Cc: Nicole Seiden >; > NHCOLL-new > > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > ??????????????????????????????? EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when > responding, opening links, or opening attachments. > > > And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others > noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > > wrote: > At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant > labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve > handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic > labels.? I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to > keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could > be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an > impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about > trusting all of my vital data to the computer! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > ?4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-2DXt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2D2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj-5FVLLpWB-5F1ewWo-5FaTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-2DGZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-2DcD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8-5FXaLUABPEX&d=DwMFaQ&c=sJ6xIWYx-zLMB3EPkvcnVg&r=MCIx6IevDpZN7oPx8SAIb6_HvqHJFo2if2SZHHR4kiQ&m=Do8wK8QLw2Hv_hyYRly2_UlwHqk7xyz6R1nK00Y81Xg&s=nj1Q-THuj1gY-39rjWjJsHe4k_LxV5at8Xp9flv9ckc&e=> > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > > wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor > Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to > this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller > size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation > vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a > dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for > suggestions. > > > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz > jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) > are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can > save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more > than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as > opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small > scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to > store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog > numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the > internal specimen labels. > > > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this > project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, > possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels > will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have > ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > > > Forever curious, > > Nicki > > > > > > > > Nicki L. 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Hendrickson" > To: "Callomon,Paul" > Cc: Rob Robins , Sergio Montagud > ??????? , "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" > ??????? > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > More on the topic of shelving system compression to save extremely limited > space in: > > Cohen, A., Hendrickson, D., & Casarez, M. (2019). *An Alternative Shelving > Arrangement for Natural History Collection Objects to Optimize Space and > Task Efficiency*. https://doi.org/10.14351/0831-4985-33.1.55 > or > http://dx.doi.org/10.26153/tsw/13255 > > > > * >fishesoftexas.org > >* > > *Dean A. Hendrickson, Ph.D. *(he/him/his), *Curator of Ichthyology > >,* Integrative > Biology >, Biodiversity > Center >, University > of Texas >, 2900 > Innovation Blvd., Austin, Texas > 78758-4445 USA. +1-512-471-9774; Orcid > >/ Bionomia > > / lab > > / collection > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 7:26 AM Callomon,Paul wrote: > > > For one method for compressing alcohol collections and dramatically > > reducing inspection times, see: > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337950870_An_improved_design_for_the_storage_of_fluid-preserved_specimens_in_small_to_medium-sized_containers > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul Callomon > > > > Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates > > ------------------------------ > > > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University* > > > > 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA > > *prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax > 215-299-1170* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Nhcoll-l *On Behalf Of *Rob > > Robins > > *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 8:10 AM > > *To:* Sergio Montagud ; > > nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > > > > > *External.* > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone > > working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have more > > efficiently. > > > > > > > > Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. We've > > all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs out/costs > > become too high (really different sides of the same coin). Crises > ensue and > > sometimes the collections are thrown out or transferred. The costs > are huge > > and the outcomes wholly antithetical to the point of having said > > collections in the first place. This is to say nothing to the very real > > harm done to morale of the collections community. > > > > > > > > The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing > access to > > large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller > footprint > > to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at for profit > > commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. > > > > > > > > I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions to > > museum collections. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid > collections for > > evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course > easily > > done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit the > block of > > shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather than wander the > > entire collection hoping to encounter small containers by chance in a > > phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and inefficient procedure > > predestined to skip a number of the containers one intended to survey. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* Nhcoll-l on behalf of Sergio > > Montagud > > *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM > > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > > > > > *[External Email]* > > > > What an interesting information, Erik. > > Thanks to share > > > > Sergio > > > > > > > > *From: *Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik > > ?hlander > > *Date: *Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 > > *To: *Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden < > > nseiden at fau.edu> > > *Cc: *NHCOLL-new > > *Subject: *Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > > > > > Dear Nicki, > > > > > > > > As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original > label! > > Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have > done the > > opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the > > labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the > > labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining > information lost > > in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a > label is > > not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans > for the > > future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding > > the origin of certain important specimens. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Erik ?hlander > > > > vertebrate zoology and museum history > > > > > > > > ZOO > > > > Swedish Museum of Natural History > > > > PO Box 50007 > > > > SE-10405 Stockholm > > > > Sweden > > > > +46 0 8 5195 4118 > > > > +46 0 70 225 2716 > > > > erik.ahlander at nrm.se > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Fr?n:* Nhcoll-l *F?r *Simon Moore > > *Skickat:* den 3 juni 2021 16:19 > > *Till:* Nicole Seiden > > *Kopia:* NHCOLL-new > > *?mne:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > > > > > Hi Nicole, > > > > > > > > Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a > > cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition > number. > > > > > > > > As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue > > with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to > > practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills > and the > > labels were easy after that! > > > > > > > > With all good wishes, Simon > > > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > > > www.natural-history-conservation.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! > > I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them > > however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to > > Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our > photos > > will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the > > individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels > > entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains > vulnerable > > to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, > etc.), and > > the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous > > curators and collectors, as others have noted. > > > > Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may > > do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. > > Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this > my next > > project after organizing the jars by size. > > > > Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if > > you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and > > returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the > > labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like > > Simon suggested. > > Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our > > labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them > > less hazardous. > > > > Cheers, > > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. > > She/Her/Hers > > Research Collection Manager > > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > > nseiden at fau.edu > > From: William Poly > > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM > > To: Simon Moore > > Cc: Nicole Seiden ; NHCOLL-new > > > > > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > >???????????????????????????????? EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when > > responding, opening links, or opening attachments. > > > > > > And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful.? As others > > noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > > wrote: > > At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant > > labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve > > handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic > > labels.? I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system > to keep > > this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be > hacked > > and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression > with me > > which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my > vital data > > to the computer! > > > > With all good wishes, Simon > > > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > > > > > > https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > > > > ?&data=04%7C01%7Cprc44%40drexel.edu%7C585e7512844043ac55de08d927526048%7C3664e6fa47bd45a696708c4f080f8ca6%7C0%7C1%7C637584057028927765%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=EsZSKFXkmfXwipdmccRGFInAumyUtdIIZXrunkigqds%3D&reserved=0> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor > > Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to > this > > project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate > > jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then > barcoding > > and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this > however, > > and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > > > > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz > jars > > so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are > housed > > with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a > > substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 > > scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 > 8 oz > > jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is > that the > > collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these > jars > > will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m > > still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > > > > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this > > project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, > > possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will > > likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > > > > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have > ideas > > on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > > > > > Forever curious, > > > Nicki > > > > > > > > > > > > Nicki L. 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Name: eedipeefjfifhoeb.png Type: image/png Size: 23308 bytes Desc: not available URL: From prc44 at drexel.edu Mon Jun 7 12:16:43 2021 From: prc44 at drexel.edu (Callomon,Paul) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 16:16:43 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Nhcoll-l Digest, Vol 109, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <96508e96-898e-0c10-0949-4f6e46335697@snsb.de> References: <96508e96-898e-0c10-0949-4f6e46335697@snsb.de> Message-ID: We have found phenolic caps with cone seals to be very reliable and durable in air (50 years plus). However, if immersed in ethanol phenolic resin will over time leach into the fluid, staining it brown. It is therefore not entirely stable in fluid. Note that there is a difference between phenolic resin, which is a fairly pure compound that is stable in air, and Bakelite, which is a mixture of phenolic resin and wood dust. The latter was once a common material in large-diameter screw-on lids, but is unstable over time and will fail, usually by cracking. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 10:19 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Nhcoll-l Digest, Vol 109, Issue 2 External. Dear Nicki, I am not entirely sure about the composition of the Phenolic resin caps Kimberly sells, but I guess these the Phenolic Resin is a formaldehyde-based polymer. Especially when formaldehyde material is stored in such jars, residual formaldehyde that is released from the specimens can cause deterioration of the lids. If ecks and threads are standardised, you may be able to exchange the caps if they fail, but here comes the point into play I mentioned earlier: required staff time to do the job. This adds to the increased monitoring. With best wishes Dirk Am 07.06.2021 um 16:03 schrieb Nicole Seiden: Dear Erik, Rob, Paul, Sergio, and Dirk, Thank you for your insight on this topic! Paul - Thank you for the paper recommendation. We are incorporating a similar system in our re-organization project. Rather than using metal trays though, we are using plastic divider boxes that can be stacked 3-high on the shelf. Along with storage, organization and management benefits, they also provide increased protection to the smaller jars and prevent them from toppling over when locating individual vouchers. Dirk - I was not aware that smaller jars are more susceptible to evaporation, this could be a problem. Our collections are divided into 2 main 'sections', one for medical/bio-tech and one for ecology/biodiversity. The medical/bio-tech side have been using these 20mL's for several years and haven't reported any issues yet. I should also mention that I am new to this field and museum as I've just graduated with my masters and was hired in April. We are using phenolic caps with cone shaped inserts, which I am told reduces the risk for evaporation. Have you used this cap style before and if so, does it still pose the same risk? Knowing this, I will update our monitoring protocol to inspect these smaller vials. As Rob has mentioned, the updated organization system will allow for easier monitoring as all the 20mL's will be in housed on the same shelves, now in tidy boxes. Special thank you to Rob for talking with me at length about this project, the pros/cons of organization systems, and providing further insight here. Kind regards, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of nhcoll-l-request at mailman.yale.edu Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 12:27 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Nhcoll-l Digest, Vol 109, Issue 2 EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. Send Nhcoll-l mailing list submissions to nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nhcoll-l-request at mailman.yale.edu You can reach the person managing the list at nhcoll-l-owner at mailman.yale.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Nhcoll-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Sergio Montagud) 2. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Dirk Neumann) 3. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Rob Robins) 4. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Callomon,Paul) 5. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Dirk Neumann) 6. Re: [EXT]Re: [crust-l:11293] Waterproof paper for samples in ethanol (Jean-Marc Gagnon) 7. Old Croone Day 2021 (John E Simmons) 8. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Rincon Rodriguez,Laura) 9. Re: Rehousing specimens and retaining labels (Dean A. Hendrickson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2021 13:47:36 +0200 From: Sergio Montagud To: Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" What an interesting information, Erik. Thanks to share Sergio From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik ?hlander Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 To: Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden Cc: NHCOLL-new Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Dear Nicki, As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of certain important specimens. Best wishes, Erik ?hlander vertebrate zoology and museum history ZOO Swedish Museum of Natural History PO Box 50007 SE-10405 Stockholm Sweden +46 0 8 5195 4118 +46 0 70 225 2716 erik.ahlander at nrm.se Fr?n: Nhcoll-l F?r Simon Moore Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 Till: Nicole Seiden Kopia: NHCOLL-new ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hi Nicole, Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the labels were easy after that! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. Cheers, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu From: William Poly Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM To: Simon Moore Cc: Nicole Seiden ; NHCOLL-new Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore wrote: At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. 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To my knowledge, even though scintillation jars are handy and small, they are not specifically designed for long term storage, and the weak point often is the liner inside caps, or the plastic of the lids itself. So might be worth developing a good monitoring regime once you moved the collection. With best wishes Dirk Am 02.06.2021 um 19:03 schrieb Nicole Seiden: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor > Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to > this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller > size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation > vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a > dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for > suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz > jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) > are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can > save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more > than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as > opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small > scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to > store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog > numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the > internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this > project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, > possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels > will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have > ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > *Nicki L. 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This is to say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections community. The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions to museum collections. Best wishes, Rob P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers one intended to survey. ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Sergio Montagud Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels [External Email] What an interesting information, Erik. Thanks to share Sergio From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik ?hlander Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 To: Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden Cc: NHCOLL-new Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Dear Nicki, As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of certain important specimens. Best wishes, Erik ?hlander vertebrate zoology and museum history ZOO Swedish Museum of Natural History PO Box 50007 SE-10405 Stockholm Sweden +46 0 8 5195 4118 +46 0 70 225 2716 erik.ahlander at nrm.se Fr?n: Nhcoll-l F?r Simon Moore Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 Till: Nicole Seiden Kopia: NHCOLL-new ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hi Nicole, Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the labels were easy after that! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com> [cid:image001.png at 01D75936.4168EB20][cid:image002.jpg at 01D75936.4168EB20] On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. Cheers, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden >; NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX 4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-2DXt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2D2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj-5FVLLpWB-5F1ewWo-5FaTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-2DGZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-2DcD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8-5FXaLUABPEX&d=DwMFaQ&c=sJ6xIWYx-zLMB3EPkvcnVg&r=MCIx6IevDpZN7oPx8SAIb6_HvqHJFo2if2SZHHR4kiQ&m=Do8wK8QLw2Hv_hyYRly2_UlwHqk7xyz6R1nK00Y81Xg&s=nj1Q-THuj1gY-39rjWjJsHe4k_LxV5at8Xp9flv9ckc&e=> > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19376 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 12:26:39 +0000 From: "Callomon,Paul" To: Rob Robins , Sergio Montagud , "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For one method for compressing alcohol collections and dramatically reducing inspection times, see: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337950870_An_improved_design_for_the_storage_of_fluid-preserved_specimens_in_small_to_medium-sized_containers Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Rob Robins Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 8:10 AM To: Sergio Montagud ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels External. Hi Folks, Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have more efficiently. Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. We've all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs out/costs become too high (really different sides of the same coin). Crises ensue and sometimes the collections are thrown out or transferred. The costs are huge and the outcomes wholly antithetical to the point of having said collections in the first place. This is to say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections community. The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions to museum collections. Best wishes, Rob P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers one intended to survey. ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Sergio Montagud > Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels [External Email] What an interesting information, Erik. Thanks to share Sergio From: Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Erik ?hlander > Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 To: Simon Moore >, Nicole Seiden > Cc: NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Dear Nicki, As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking - maybe). I am presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of certain important specimens. Best wishes, Erik ?hlander vertebrate zoology and museum history ZOO Swedish Museum of Natural History PO Box 50007 SE-10405 Stockholm Sweden +46 0 8 5195 4118 +46 0 70 225 2716 erik.ahlander at nrm.se Fr?n: Nhcoll-l > F?r Simon Moore Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 Till: Nicole Seiden > Kopia: NHCOLL-new > ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hi Nicole, Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a cross-ref'ing number somewhere even if it's the original acquisition number. As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the labels were easy after that! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com ved=0> [cid:image001.png at 01D7591B.567F4790][cid:image002.jpg at 01D7591B.567F4790] On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. Cheers, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden >; NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I'm still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9-5F0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-2DXt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2D2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj-5FVLLpWB-5F1ewWo-5FaTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-2DGZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-2DcD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8-5FXaLUABPEX%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DsJ6xIWYx-zLMB3EPkvcnVg%26r%3DMCIx6IevDpZN7oPx8SAIb6_HvqHJFo2if2SZHHR4kiQ%26m%3DDo8wK8QLw2Hv_hyYRly2_UlwHqk7xyz6R1nK00Y81Xg%26s%3Dnj1Q-THuj1gY-39rjWjJsHe4k_LxV5at8Xp9flv9ckc%26e%3D&data=04%7C01%7Cprc44%40drexel.edu%7C585e7512844043ac55de08d927526048%7C3664e6fa47bd45a696708c4f080f8ca6%7C0%7C1%7C637584057028927765%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=EsZSKFXkmfXwipdmccRGFInAumyUtdIIZXrunkigqds%3D&reserved=0> > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I've run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2"x 3") are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example - we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I'm still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I'm curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19376 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 14:36:47 +0200 From: Dirk Neumann To: Rob Robins , "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Hi Rob, good that you highlighted the need to adjust the setup & (systematic) arrangement of the collections as well; Nicki mentioned this but it is really worth highlighting this (and there was an early post on this by Paul Callomon, where they arranged the small jars in boxes to support monitoring and collection management). All these measures come at a cost, and often an increase in monitoring need not considered, even though increased staff time requirements are one of the most expensive factor, which is all too often ignored by administrations. We once had the same issue, (using recycled jars etc.), and choose the opposite path: investing in high quality jars to reduce staff time needed for the monitoring, because it was (and is) unlikely that we will receive more staff. But this is no remedy against crowded collections, of course. You can choose different directions, but usually you need to pay a price, and from a conservatory point of view you should be able to pay it. Just noticed that Paul linked his article while I was typing this. With best wishes Dirk Am 04.06.2021 um 14:09 schrieb Rob Robins: > Hi Folks, > Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone > working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have > more efficiently. > > Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. > We've all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs > out/costs become too high (really different sides of the same coin). > Crises ensue and sometimes the collections are thrown out or > transferred. The costs are huge and the outcomes wholly antithetical > to the point of having said collections in the first place. This is to > say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections > community. > > The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access > to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller > footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at > for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. > > I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions > to museum collections. > > Best wishes, > > Rob > > P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections > for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course > easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit > the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather > than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers > by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and > inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers > one intended to survey. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Nhcoll-l on behalf of > Sergio Montagud > *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > *[External Email]* > > What an interesting information, Erik. > Thanks to share > > Sergio > > *From: *Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik > ?hlander > *Date: *Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 > *To: *Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden > > *Cc: *NHCOLL-new > *Subject: *Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > Dear Nicki, > > As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original > label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We > have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to > take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the > specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am > presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of > original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink > and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if > chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of > certain important specimens. > > Best wishes, > > Erik ?hlander > > vertebrate zoology and museum history > > ZOO > > Swedish Museum of Natural History > > PO Box 50007 > > SE-10405 Stockholm > > Sweden > > +46 0 8 5195 4118 > > +46 0 70?225 2716 > > erik.ahlander at nrm.se > > *Fr?n:*Nhcoll-l *F?r *Simon Moore > *Skickat:* den 3 juni 2021 16:19 > *Till:* Nicole Seiden > *Kopia:* NHCOLL-new > *?mne:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > Hi Nicole, > > Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a > cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition > number. > > As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese > tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took > time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the > skills and the labels were easy after that! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS,?ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences?and?Cutlery Historian, > > www.natural-history-conservation.com > > > > > cid:image001.png at 01D75936.4168EB20cid:image002.jpg at 01D75936.4168EB20 > > > > > On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! > I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of > them however, we are also planning to convert our database from > Access to Specify in the next?year or two. Until we switch into > Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and > won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm > not?keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the > notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources > (e.g., hackers, server failure, human?error, etc.), and the > curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous > curators and collectors, as others have noted. > > Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! > We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card > binder. > Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this > my next project after organizing the jars by size. > > Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, > and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, > retrieving and returning individual?labels becomes a challenge and > risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry > envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. > Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of > our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make > handling them less?hazardous. > > Cheers, > Nicki > > Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. > She/Her/Hers > Research Collection Manager > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > nseiden at fau.edu > From:?William Poly > > > Sent:?Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM > To:?Simon Moore > > > Cc:?Nicole Seiden >; > NHCOLL-new > > > Subject:?Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > EXTERNAL EMAIL :?Exercise caution when responding, opening links, > or opening attachments. > > > And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. ?As > others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should > be saved. > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > > wrote: > At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / > redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to > preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators,?also > some historic labels. ?I was unsure about relying entirely on > digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the > days when data systems could be hacked and injected with?erasure > viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m > still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the > computer! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > > wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at > Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. > One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens > into?smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being > 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars > by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted > to ask?the community for suggestions. > > > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 > oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x > 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz > jars?though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For > example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a > single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. > The?problem with the small scintillation jars is that the > collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While > these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique > location, I?m still?uncomfortable with removing the internal > specimen labels. > > > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after > this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate > labels, possibly with reduced information. The original > handwritten?labels will likely have to stay in this folder > long-term though. > > > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might > have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own > collection? > > > > Forever curious, > > Nicki > > > > > > > > Nicki L. 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Albano" Cc: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [crust-l:11293] Waterproof paper for samples in ethanol Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Michel, Paolo, I would recommend looking at information available on the SPNHC Wiki site (https://spnhc.biowikifarm.net/wiki/Labeling_Natural_History_Collections) and some of the discussion that are archived on its NHColl ListServer (https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l). Generally speaking, it is not recommended to use laser printers as the ?permanency? can vary significantly between machines, but also between batches. There are many reported examples of failed laser-printed labels where one finds fading text or an ?alphabet soup? at the bottom of the jar. Even dry laser-printed labels have been found to fail. One has to remember that in terms of museum specimens, we need to apply storage solutions that will hopefully last well beyond our career and for many more generations into the future. I hope this helps. Jean-Marc Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature 613 364 4066 613 851-7556 cell 613 364 4027 Fax jmgagnon at nature.ca Adresse postale / Postal Address: Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 Canada / Canada Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 From: crust-l-request at vims.edu [mailto:crust-l-request at vims.edu] On Behalf Of Michel Hendrickx Reners Sent: June 4, 2021 10:15 AM To: crust FORO ; Paolo G. Albano Subject: [EXT]Re: [crust-l:11293] Waterproof paper for samples in ethanol COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur. EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender. We are using 100% cotton paper (available in different densities). We print the collection labels with a Laser Printer. We have had these in ethanol for up to 15 years (maybe more?) and it holds very well. But pencil cannot also be used (we do so for provisional labels). Regards. Michel E. Hendrickx El vie, 4 de jun. de 2021 a la(s) 08:04, Paolo G. Albano (pgalbano at gmail.com) escribi?: Dear Colleagues, I am looking for a waterproof paper to write with pencil labels for samples in ethanol. I have seen some institutions using polyethylene sheets, but these are not easily available on the market (or maybe I am not aware of a suitable provider in the EU). In contrast, sheets in polyester are easily available, even in convenient A4 format (laser printable if necessary), but I thought polyester has poorer resistance to ethanol. Maybe I am too concerned? Do you have any suggestions or experience to share? Thank you and best regards, Paolo -- Dr. Paolo G. 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On that momentous occasion, Dr. William Croone (1633-1684) showed his fellow members of the Royal Society of London ?two embryos of puppy-dogs, which he had kept eight days, and were put in spirit in a glass-vial sealed hermetically.? Croone was a founding member and secretary of the *Royal Society of London for Improving Natural Knowledge*, the oldest scientific society in the world. Ironically, his name was misspelled as Croune in the meeting records (see below). Croone, a graduate of Cambridge University (Emmanuel College), variously served as a professor of Rhetoric at Gresham College, a physician, and an anatomy lecturer while pursing diverse interests in physics, physiology, and embryology. It was Croone?s interest in entomology that led him to discover the possibilities of fluid preservation in spirits of wine (ethyl alcohol). 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Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 44361 bytes Desc: not available URL: > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 16:01:29 +0000 From: "Rincon Rodriguez,Laura" To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hello Nicki, For storage of internal labels. see: https://stashc.com/the-publication/labels/object-labels/storage-system-for-deteriorating-fluid-specimen-labels/ For protection of fragile or damaged labels. See: https://stashc.com/the-publication/labels/object-labels/polyester-film-sleeves-for-protection-of-fragile-or-damaged-specimen-labels/ Laura Rinc?n Museum Studies Master's student University of Florida Storage System for Deteriorating Fluid Specimen Labels | Storage Techniques for Art Science & History Collections> A storage system developed for 35mm film negatives has been adapted for this purpose. It consists of polyester film sleeves fabricated to hold 35mm film negative strips, alkaline reserve folders designed to hold several of the sleeves, and an alkaline reserve box to hold the folders (Fig. 1). stashc.com ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Dirk Neumann Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 8:36 AM To: Rob Robins ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels [External Email] Hi Rob, good that you highlighted the need to adjust the setup & (systematic) arrangement of the collections as well; Nicki mentioned this but it is really worth highlighting this (and there was an early post on this by Paul Callomon, where they arranged the small jars in boxes to support monitoring and collection management). All these measures come at a cost, and often an increase in monitoring need not considered, even though increased staff time requirements are one of the most expensive factor, which is all too often ignored by administrations. We once had the same issue, (using recycled jars etc.), and choose the opposite path: investing in high quality jars to reduce staff time needed for the monitoring, because it was (and is) unlikely that we will receive more staff. But this is no remedy against crowded collections, of course. You can choose different directions, but usually you need to pay a price, and from a conservatory point of view you should be able to pay it. Just noticed that Paul linked his article while I was typing this. With best wishes Dirk Am 04.06.2021 um 14:09 schrieb Rob Robins: Hi Folks, Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have more efficiently. Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. We've all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs out/costs become too high (really different sides of the same coin). Crises ensue and sometimes the collections are thrown out or transferred. The costs are huge and the outcomes wholly antithetical to the point of having said collections in the first place. This is to say nothing to the very real harm done to morale of the collections community. The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access to large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller footprint to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at for profit commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions to museum collections. Best wishes, Rob P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections for evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course easily done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit the block of shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather than wander the entire collection hoping to encounter small containers by chance in a phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and inefficient procedure predestined to skip a number of the containers one intended to survey. ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Sergio Montagud Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels [External Email] What an interesting information, Erik. Thanks to share Sergio From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik ?hlander Date: Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 To: Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden Cc: NHCOLL-new Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Dear Nicki, As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining information lost in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding the origin of certain important specimens. Best wishes, Erik ?hlander vertebrate zoology and museum history ZOO Swedish Museum of Natural History PO Box 50007 SE-10405 Stockholm Sweden +46 0 8 5195 4118 +46 0 70 225 2716 erik.ahlander at nrm.se Fr?n: Nhcoll-l F?r Simon Moore Skickat: den 3 juni 2021 16:19 Till: Nicole Seiden Kopia: NHCOLL-new ?mne: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels Hi Nicole, Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the labels were easy after that! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com> [cid:image001.png at 01D75936.4168EB20][cid:image002.jpg at 01D75936.4168EB20] On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden > wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous curators and collectors, as others have noted. Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next project after organizing the jars by size. Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like Simon suggested. Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them less hazardous. Cheers, Nicki Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. She/Her/Hers Research Collection Manager Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute nseiden at fau.edu From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden >; NHCOLL-new > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data to the computer! With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX 4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-2DXt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2D2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj-5FVLLpWB-5F1ewWo-5FaTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-2DGZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-2DcD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8-5FXaLUABPEX&d=DwMFaQ&c=sJ6xIWYx-zLMB3EPkvcnVg&r=MCIx6IevDpZN7oPx8SAIb6_HvqHJFo2if2SZHHR4kiQ&m=Do8wK8QLw2Hv_hyYRly2_UlwHqk7xyz6R1nK00Y81Xg&s=nj1Q-THuj1gY-39rjWjJsHe4k_LxV5at8Xp9flv9ckc&e=> > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > Forever curious, > Nicki > > > > Nicki L. 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(2019). *An Alternative Shelving Arrangement for Natural History Collection Objects to Optimize Space and Task Efficiency*. https://doi.org/10.14351/0831-4985-33.1.55 or http://dx.doi.org/10.26153/tsw/13255 * >fishesoftexas.org >* *Dean A. Hendrickson, Ph.D. *(he/him/his), *Curator of Ichthyology >,* Integrative Biology >, Biodiversity Center >, University of Texas >, 2900 Innovation Blvd., Austin, Texas 78758-4445 USA. +1-512-471-9774; Orcid >/ Bionomia > / lab > / collection > On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 7:26 AM Callomon,Paul wrote: > For one method for compressing alcohol collections and dramatically > reducing inspection times, see: > > > > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337950870_An_improved_design_for_the_storage_of_fluid-preserved_specimens_in_small_to_medium-sized_containers > > > > > > Paul Callomon > > Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates > ------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University* > > 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA > *prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* > > > > > > > > *From:* Nhcoll-l *On Behalf Of *Rob > Robins > *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 8:10 AM > *To:* Sergio Montagud ; > nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > *External.* > > Hi Folks, > > Not to get too philosophical here, but I feel strongly that everyone > working in museums must work to save space/use the space they have more > efficiently. > > > > Space limitations are an existential threat to museum collections. We've > all seen what administrative bodies tend to do when space runs out/costs > become too high (really different sides of the same coin). Crises ensue and > sometimes the collections are thrown out or transferred. The costs are huge > and the outcomes wholly antithetical to the point of having said > collections in the first place. This is to say nothing to the very real > harm done to morale of the collections community. > > > > The last 60 years have seen huge advances in ways of increasing access to > large collections of items while simultaneously using a smaller footprint > to store them. These advances are seen at work not just at for profit > commercial enterprises but in the largest libraries. > > > > I applaud those researching the options and applying these solutions to > museum collections. > > > > Best wishes, > > > Rob > > > > P.S. Dirk makes an excellent point about monitoring fluid collections for > evaporation, especially the smallest containers. This is of course easily > done in a jar-sized arranged collection -- one only need visit the block of > shelves that contain all the smallest containers, rather than wander the > entire collection hoping to encounter small containers by chance in a > phylogenetic system; an onerous, costly, and inefficient procedure > predestined to skip a number of the containers one intended to survey. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Nhcoll-l on behalf of Sergio > Montagud > *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 7:47 AM > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > *[External Email]* > > What an interesting information, Erik. > Thanks to share > > Sergio > > > > *From: *Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erik > ?hlander > *Date: *Friday, 4 June 2021 at 11:55 > *To: *Simon Moore , Nicole Seiden < > nseiden at fau.edu> > *Cc: *NHCOLL-new > *Subject: *Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Dear Nicki, > > > > As you already have been informed. Never ever discard the original label! > Also the physical connection to the specimen is important. We have done the > opposite: moved specimen to lager jars to be able to take care of the > labels. If you have to save space: discard the specimens and keep the > labels (OK, I am joking ? maybe). I am presently regaining information lost > in the 1790s through fragments of original labels. A picture of a label is > not enough. The kind of ink and paper is important. We have plans for the > future to test if chemical analysis of the labels can help understanding > the origin of certain important specimens. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Erik ?hlander > > vertebrate zoology and museum history > > > > ZOO > > Swedish Museum of Natural History > > PO Box 50007 > > SE-10405 Stockholm > > Sweden > > +46 0 8 5195 4118 > > +46 0 70 225 2716 > > erik.ahlander at nrm.se > > > > > > > > *Fr?n:* Nhcoll-l *F?r *Simon Moore > *Skickat:* den 3 juni 2021 16:19 > *Till:* Nicole Seiden > *Kopia:* NHCOLL-new > *?mne:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > > > Hi Nicole, > > > > Yes a trade card binder should be good. Ensure that there is a > cross-ref?ing number somewhere even if it?s the original acquisition number. > > > > As to repairing the flaky ones, I used to back them onto Japanese tissue > with a little neutral PVA. A bit terrifying at first but I took time to > practice using bits of flaky browned paper, really hones the skills and the > labels were easy after that! > > > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > www.natural-history-conservation.com > > > > > > > On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:56, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you very kindly for your responses and input! > I do intend to digitize the labels before any final movement of them > however, we are also planning to convert our database from Access to > Specify in the next year or two. Until we switch into Specify, our photos > will be stored on a separate hard drive and won't be attached to the > individual records right away. I'm not keen on discarding the labels > entirely, as I agree with the notion that digital data remains vulnerable > to several sources (e.g., hackers, server failure, human error, etc.), and > the curators here are able to recognize the handwriting of previous > curators and collectors, as others have noted. > > Simon - Organizing the labels into stamp albums is a clever idea! We may > do something similar - maybe something like a trading card binder. > Eric - I'm partial to jar-size labels too! I'm hoping to make this my next > project after organizing the jars by size. > > Lennart - Storing them in alcohol would take up additional space, and if > you store multiple labels in a single jar of alcohol, retrieving and > returning individual labels becomes a challenge and risks damaging the > labels. My vote is to store them in a dry envelope or filing system like > Simon suggested. > Has anyone laminated their old/redundant/archived labels? Some of our > labels are in poor condition and laminating them may make handling them > less hazardous. > > Cheers, > Nicki > > Nicki L. Seiden, M.Sc. > She/Her/Hers > Research Collection Manager > Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute > nseiden at fau.edu > From: William Poly > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:44 AM > To: Simon Moore > Cc: Nicole Seiden ; NHCOLL-new > > > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Rehousing specimens and retaining labels > > EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when > responding, opening links, or opening attachments. > > > And multiple backups of all digital data would be useful. As others > noted, the original labels contain useful info and should be saved. > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:06 AM Simon Moore > wrote: > At the Natural History Museum in London we mounted all old / redundant > labels into stamp albums with Mylar strips. This was to preserve > handwritings of former curators and conservators, also some historic > labels. I was unsure about relying entirely on digital data system to keep > this vital resource but that in the days when data systems could be hacked > and injected with erasure viruses. However, it left an impression with me > which is why I?m still rather sceptical about trusting all of my vital data > to the computer! > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > > https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1looBv-0003rP-3c&i=57e1b682&c=2g0UcZsZOXS5EbuXXtggyJJU0ql7St2DYJtu0-D1Z4Foz45JolTMuIXEdcMALff-Yh0fw2D9b9oWmSyP4Nr05sGFLyamrbeOFjHavuNPeNc-yXjKF99lGQ0zzIS_KsuVJibsIlxR7LM-PsBWKeELly9TQ9PLlJP6TsGhI9mtob446Q9_0JoNlhD7YYhZf84wsnHL9Ji0f2rP4E4kihPFkQfuEO4gBifTiwRZIii5t8n2iXDVSEOtpKpQZw8-Xt8nlTfPvTOjbRT6KUNlK3bu5NWc8K2AQgpWTXq1lNUnbjYDq3U5PHMcoJj-2Gs62SIeUYCxHtpnUTKGIhxvaZH96CFWSG2ZwrxcVZjbztwU6gua2bFhlgpcrVsdXCSIHM4TPiR8gY59hch4GQbofA8WTKN9wBbF7s6AB5KQRb4HGw2UfUXm8qprHiQsbSnMOK2r2Sdcj_VLLpWB_1ewWo_aTxJWJTeq5S3u2WUI7HxfklyyzrUaTQESLK7pBTJdQCu2OD9Jw78ACR5V-GZUjsINVKYUWlzk2EZ9EJx-cD7TLsQ26vPtBYaDj8_XaLUABPEX > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jun 2021, at 18:03, Nicole Seiden wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We are about to begin a major reorganization project here at Harbor > Branch to conserve on space and allow for future growth. One part to this > project includes rehousing wet specimens into smaller size-appropriate > jars, with our smallest jar being 20mL scintillation vials, then barcoding > and organizing the jars by size. I?ve run into a dilemma with this however, > and I wanted to ask the community for suggestions. > > > > Specimens housed in 20mL vials are currently stored in larger 8 oz jars > so the handwritten collection label and printed label (2?x 3?) are housed > with the specimen. By removing the 8 oz jars though, we can save a > substantial amount of space. For example ? we can house more than 5,500 > scintillation jars in a single column of shelves, as opposed to ~900 8 oz > jars per column. The problem with the small scintillation jars is that the > collection labels are too large to store inside of them. While these jars > will be barcoded with catalog numbers and unique location, I?m > still uncomfortable with removing the internal specimen labels. > > > > One idea is to house these labels in a near-by folder and after this > project is completed, printing off new jar-size appropriate labels, > possibly with reduced information. The original handwritten labels will > likely have to stay in this folder long-term though. > > > > I?m curious if anyone else has tackled this dilemma, or might have ideas > on how they would address it if it were their own collection? > > > > Forever curious, > > Nicki > > > > > > > > Nicki L. 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We would so appreciate if you would distribute this to your academic contacts and student portals. Obviously, we would love for all of you to submit as well. We have 4 submission options: traditional 20-min presentation, a 10-min mini-talk, a 60 or 90-min panel with multiple speakers if there's a topic a group would like to present, and a virtual poster. The panel submission option or the virtual poster option might be perfect for some of the students you are mentoring/teaching. OR....an overview of the IUPUI H&S curricula and student outreach (AIHA Student Sections, local museum work etc). Abstracts due by August 1. Many thanks, and warm regards, Kathy Kathryn Makos, MPH CIH (Ret) Smithsonian Institution OSHEM Chair, AIHA Museum & Cultural Heritage Industry Working Group -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are handed several trays of field samples in plastic tubes for the collection, getting them into individual screw-top glass vials with proper lids and placing them in racks on shelves can cost hundreds of dollars. Attempting to bill scientists for this or persuading them to proactively add storage expenses to their grant budgets can be a lively conversation. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abentley at ku.edu Mon Jun 7 15:08:08 2021 From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 19:08:08 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Storage-grade containers Message-ID: This is exactly why we have been advocating for a specimen management plan that would outline the costs for curation, digitization and long-term care and mandate these costs in grant proposals that include collecting. This language, first included in the NASEM report, has been included in the House NSF bill that is currently being debated and which will increase the NSF budget 10 fold over the next 5 years (or something like that). Andy A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V Andy Bentley Ichthyology Collection Manager University of Kansas Biodiversity Institute Dyche Hall 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561 USA Tel: (785) 864-3863 Fax: (785) 864-5335 Email: abentley at ku.edu http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of "Callomon,Paul" Date: Monday, June 7, 2021 at 2:05 PM To: Nicole Seiden , "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Storage-grade containers In our recent discussions of alcohol storage containers, we didn?t touch on the distinction between lab-grade containers and storage-grade ones. In the field and lab, scientists often use containers that are not storage-grade, such as: - glass vials and jars that have snap-on plastic lids - glass shell vials with push-in plastic lids - Eppendorf and other plastic sample tubes with push-on or screw-on lids - Nalgene and similar flexible plastic bottles None of these is storage-grade ? that is, proven to be durable over longer terms (10 years plus). When consigning samples to the collection, therefore, they must be transferred to storage-grade containers. If you are handed several trays of field samples in plastic tubes for the collection, getting them into individual screw-top glass vials with proper lids and placing them in racks on shelves can cost hundreds of dollars. Attempting to bill scientists for this or persuading them to proactively add storage expenses to their grant budgets can be a lively conversation. 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Now accepting Abstracts for the 2021 Safety and Cultural Heritage Summit: Preserving Our Heritage and Protecting Our Health Virtual Professional Development Seminar The Potomac Section of the American Industrial Hygiene Association, the Washington Conservation Guild, the Smithsonian Institution's Office of Safety, Health and Environmental Management, and the Smithsonian National Collections Program will once again collaborate with the Lunder Conservation Center to host a Safety and Cultural Heritage Summit. Half-days Tuesday, 19 October, and Wednesday, 20 October 2021 Presented On-line - FREE Registration! We are now accepting abstracts focusing on controlling health and safety risks from preparing, treating, managing, and exhibiting artistic, historic, and natural science collections as well as abating structural hazards and responding to disasters impacting collections, including challenges of the pandemic. We welcome case studies and action plans, and we encourage joint presentations by conservators, collections care professionals, AND health & safety professionals! Previous Summit Program topics can be found here: Past Program 2020 Topics and themes for consideration include but are not limited to: * Safety challenges in installing and managing gallery exhibits--working at heights or outdoors; with heavy, large, or hazardous objects; with touchable/interactive exhibits. * Strategies for building constructive, working relationships between safety and collections professionals, illustrated by case studies, with action steps to resolution. * Identifying and managing hazardous materials in collections. * Safety strategies at both staff and management levels. * Identifying risks posed by conservation treatments and implementing safe work policies for conservation laboratories, with object- and material-specific hazards and management. * Emergency preparedness and response in collections, with action steps. * Pandemic response strategies, including closing down an institution and re-opening with modified procedures. * Scalable solutions for small and large institutions with small or large budgets. Presenters have 4 submission options: 1. An abstract for a 20-minute presentation. Additional time will be allotted for questions. 2. An abstract for a 10-minute presentation. Additional time will be allotted for questions. 3. An abstract for a 60 or 90-minute panel with multiple speakers; either time-frame must allow for 15 minutes for speaker/audience discussion. Abstract to include names of moderator and panelists. 4. An abstract for a virtual poster. Poster format requirements will be provided after your submission is accepted. The poster will be included on the Summit Virtual site; no presentation needed. Abstracts must specify your submission preference, a provisional title, names and contact information for each submitter, panelist & moderator, and not exceed 400 words. Presentations may be delivered live or prerecorded. Questions Welcomed! Please send your presentation abstracts to summit-abstracts at washingtonconservationguild.org by COB August 1. 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The two-day event addressed the impact of climate change on cultural heritage and communities worldwide, discussed the responsibilities of stewards of cultural heritage in fostering collaborative solutions, addressed urgent questions of equity and inclusion, and identified strategies that leverage cultural heritage for climate action. We are excited to announce that essays and breakout session summaries from Stemming the Tide are now published online through the Smithsonian Scholarly Press (SISP). The volume is open access and available to read and download, at no cost, from SISP's portal on Figshare. * DOI link is https://doi.org/10.5479/si.14750727 -- Share this link with the contributors, your colleagues, etc. This link will resolve directly to the version of record. The DOI link should be placed on other websites (rather than other sites posting the PDF) to point readers to your work, allowing Figshare to accurately count views, downloads, and social media activity. * Alternate, landing-page link: https://smithsonian.figshare.com/articles/book/Stemming_the_Tide_Global_Strategies_for_Sustaining_Cultural_Heritage_through_Climate_Change/14750727 * The top portion of the cover is white, it could appear at first glance that the top banner is blank. Just click "Explore more content" then click "Fit to Screen" (right corner of PDF viewer) to view the PDF. You can navigate through the pages onscreen or download the full PDF. SAAM and NCP are grateful to so many people within the Smithsonian and to our collaborating partners who made this symposium and the public dialogue possible. If you are interested in learning more about the event, or seeing the recorded presentations please visit the webpage: https://americanart.si.edu/research/symposia/2020/stemming-the-tide Respectfully, Amber Kerr Head of Conservation Smithsonian American Art Museum and Renwick Gallery kerra at si.edu | (202) 633-4346 AmericanArt.si.edu [SAAM logo] [http://www.conservators-converse.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/lunder.jpg] Catharine Hawks (she, her, hers) Conservator Collections Program MRC 170 Rm M85-J National Museum of Natural History 10th Street & Constitution Ave NW Washington DC 20560 w 202.633.0835 or 4041 c 703 200 4370 hawksc at si.edu SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION NATIONAL MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY Facebook | Twitter | Instagram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From abentley at ku.edu Mon Jun 14 10:23:16 2021 From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 14:23:16 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] FW: Don't miss out on the this month's follow-up consultation with the scientific collections community on the Digital Extended Specimen #DeS Message-ID: <45A481A0-CFE2-4EDB-9CBB-CCA17688B899@ku.edu> From: Alliance for Biodiversity Knowledge Reply-To: Alliance for Biodiversity Knowledge Date: Friday, May 21, 2021 at 7:28 AM To: Andrew Bentley Subject: Don't miss out on the this month's follow-up consultation with the scientific collections community on the Digital Extended Specimen #DeS View in your browser | Forward to a friend [https://mcusercontent.com/a483b43cb36d0d60edb3a266b/images/9c5f5b56-941e-4c9e-926a-6cc2cf0a29fc.png] [https://mcusercontent.com/a483b43cb36d0d60edb3a266b/images/67983f45-6273-0698-b038-ca41a764afca.jpg] Specimen detail of Australian golden wattle (Acacia pycnantha), collected in Australia. Photo Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, licensed under CC BY 4.0. Invitation to 2nd phase of Digital and Extended Specimen consultation The alliance will convene a follow up to the consultation in February and March this month. Phase 2 will focus on capturing the infrastructure capabilities needed to support Digital Extended Specimens. Now renamed as Digital Extended Specimens, or ?DeS?. The online discussion will open on 15 June and run until 27 July. Similar to the consultation in February and March, a landing page for the consultation has been created and is now live on the GBIF community forum. If you are not already a registered user of the GBIF community forum, you will need to sign up and join the group to contribute to the discussion. To read more about the background for this consultation click here. Pre-register for your preferred intro session time on 15 June 2021: * Session 1: 5:00 UTC * Session 2: 15:00 UTC Consultation topics are: * Well-founded access points and data cyberinfrastructure alignment * Persistent identifier scheme(s) * Meeting legal, regulatory, ethical, and sensitive data obligations * Workforce capacity development and inclusion * Transactional mechanisms and provenance * Partnerships to collaborate more effectively We hope to see you at #DeS round 2. Sincerely, Joe Miller You are receiving this email because you registered to attend the virtual consultation, Converging Digital and Extended Specimens. All communications are governed by GBIF's privacy policy. Please subscribe to our email lists if you wish to receive further communications from either the alliance for biodiversity knowledge or GBIF. [alliance for biodiversity knowledge website] [alliance for biodiversity knowledge on Twitter] You are receiving this email because you have opted in to receive information about the alliance for biodiversity knowledge currently coordinated by the GBIF Secretariat. Our mailing address is: GBIF Secretariat Universitetsparken 15 Copenhagen DK-2100 Denmark Add us to your address book Want to change how you receive these emails? You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list. [Email Marketing Powered by Mailchimp] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jeff.Stephenson at dmns.org Mon Jun 14 15:15:07 2021 From: Jeff.Stephenson at dmns.org (Jeff Stephenson) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 19:15:07 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] July - August On-Line Courses -- Transmitting Science; AIBS; iDigBio; Museum Study LLC Message-ID: Hello, Please see below for a compendium of on-line courses in Museum Studies and Collections Management. This list is provided by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections Professional Development Committee as a monthly service for nhcoll subscribers. Please contact the course providers or instructors for more information or questions. As a reminder, nhcoll is not open for advertising by individuals; however, if you would like to have your courses appear in this compendium, please feel free to submit your offerings to jeff.stephenson at dmns.org, and we?ll see that you get in. Thank you From Transmitting Science Dear colleagues, Transmitting Science has a new online (live) course that can be of your interest: ?Introduction to Photogrammetry?. Dates and schedule: Online live sessions Tuesday 27th and Wednesday 28th of July; and Tuesday 3rd, Wednesday 4th, and Thursday 5th of August; from 14:00 to 17:30 (GMT+2, Madrid time zone). Instructors: Dr. Heinrich Mallison (Palaeo3D, Germany) and Dr. Ver?nica D?ez D?az (Museum f?r Naturkunde, Germany). Course Overview This course is addressed to researchers and technicians who work with complex structures and need to digitize their samples for different reasons, such as digital preservation, geometric morphometrics, biomechanics analyses, etc. The goal of this course is to explain how you can obtain 3D virtual models from surfaces, using photogrammetry. These techniques and technologies offer the possibility to obtain 3D models of the external morphology of the samples including colour and texture of a wide size range of specimens with medium ? low cost and fast approaches. By the end of this course, participants should be able to obtain high-quality digitalization of samples with the most commonly used techniques. They will also be able to edit and manipulate the digital models to prepare them for use in typical analytical software. The main software that you will use during the course: Reality Capture, Agisoft Metashape, GOMinspect and Meshmixer. Temporal licenses will be provided for the course. More info and registrations: https://www.transmittingscience.com/courses/imaging/introduction-photogrammetry With best regards Juanvi Dear colleagues, Registration is open for the online edition of the course Care and Management of Natural History Collections. Dates and schedule: Online live sessions on the 9th, 11th, 13th, 16th, 18th and 20th of August, from 16:00 to 18.00 and from 18:30 to 20:30 (GMT+2, Madrid time zone). The rest of the time will be taught with pre-recorded lectures to watch asynchronously. Instructors: John E. Simmons (Museologica, USA) and Dr. Greg McDonald (Bureau of Land Management, USA) Course Overview: Using a combination of lectures, discussions, demonstrations, and readings, this course will teach participants how to better care for and manage all natural history collections (including botany, geosciences, and zoology). The importance of the collections storage environment is emphasized, as well as the identification and selection of inert materials, testing locally available materials, adapting collections care standards to particular environmental conditions, and good management through sound policies and collection planning. Rather than the traditional discipline-based approach, the course teaches collections care based on collection material and preparation type?dry preparations, wet preparations, and documentation (including paper-based and electronic media). The course will benefit individuals who already have experience in caring for natural history collections, as well as those who intend to work with natural history collections. More information and registrations: https://www.transmittingscience.com/courses/museums-and-collections/care-management-natural-history-collections/ Best regards Juanvi From AIBS Dear Colleagues, There is a growing recognition of the importance of providing scientists, particularly graduate students and post-doctoral fellows, with professional development training that will expand their career opportunities and potential for professional success. The American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS) is pleased to announce a professional development program that we have developed to help scientists strengthen their written communication skills. This is an important professional development training opportunity. I hope you will consider sharing this opportunity with your students, staff, and colleagues. Below are more specific details about this online course, including registration information. Writing for Impact and Influence: An AIBS Professional Development Program It is perfectly okay to write garbage?as long as you edit brilliantly. -C. J. Cherryh The American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS) has heard a common refrain from faculty, scientists, government and private sector executives, and everyone in between: Scientists are increasingly responsible for public engagement and business writing, yet they are rarely given the tools they need to succeed. AIBS is responding by re-offering our professional development program designed to help scientists, including graduate students, hone their written communication skills to increase the impact and influence of their message. This course complements AIBS?s highly successful Communications Boot Camp for Scientists, which focuses on oral communication. Writing for Impact and Influence provides practical instruction and hands-on exercises that will improve the participant?s general writing proficiency. The program will provide participants with the skills and tools needed to compose scientific press releases, blog posts, memoranda, and more, with a focus on the reader experience. Each product-oriented session will have an assignment (deadlines are flexible), with feedback from the instructor. The course is interactive, and participants are encouraged to ask questions and exchange ideas with the instructor and other participants. Each session is also recorded and shared with all participants to accommodate scheduling conflicts. Who Should Take the Course? ? Individuals interested in furthering their professional development by augmenting their writing skills. ? Graduate students and early-career professionals interested in increasing their marketability to employers. ? Individuals interested in more effectively informing and influencing segments of the public, supervisors, policymakers, reporters, organizational leaders, and others. Sample Topics ? Press releases and writing for the media ? Blogging and social media campaigns ? Writing for professional audiences ? One-pagers and writing for stakeholders ? Action/decision memoranda ? Synthesis Course Structure The course consists of six 90-minute online modules conducted live and subsequently archived online for participant review. Modules are spaced at weekly intervals to allow time for assignment completion. Live attendance is recommended but not required, and the instructor can be contacted by email at any time during the course. Assignments A writing assignment will be given in each of the first five courses. Students will receive timely feedback on their assignments. Schedule The course will begin on Thursday, 1 July 2021. The subsequent course sessions will be held weekly on Thursdays, through 5 August. All live courses will begin at 2:00 p.m. Eastern time. Recorded programs will be available to participants after the live session. Registration Space is limited and the course will be filled on a first-come, first-served basis. Registration is required. To register for the course, go to http://io.aibs.org/writing For questions regarding the course please contact James Verdier at jverdier at aibs.org. Sincerely, Jyotsna ___________________ Jyotsna Pandey, Ph.D. Director of Public Policy, American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS) 950 Herndon Parkway Suite 450 Herndon, VA 20170 Phone: 202-628-1500 x 225 AIBS website: www.aibs.org Follow AIBS on Twitter! @AIBSbiology From iDigBio We are excited to introduce the first professional development opportunity offered by the iDigBio Digitization Academy: Introduction to Biodiversity Specimen Digitization. This free, online course is focused on introducing the creation of digital data about biodiversity specimens to those who are just beginning this activity. The aims of the course are to empower participants with the knowledge and skills to (1) identify and assess relevant facets of information or potential information about specimens, (2) identify and implement common digitization protocols and best practices related to databasing, digital imaging, and georeferencing, (3) identify downstream uses that are relevant to digitization decisionmaking, (4) explain basic database design and the value of Globally Unique Identifiers, (5) identify the major specimen data management system options and the major differences among them, and (6) design a digitization project, including quality control and a data management plan that includes data sharing. This course is targeted at those already associated with a biodiversity collection, such as student technicians, collections management professionals, or curators. The course will be relevant to a diversity of collection types. Participants do not need to have prior knowledge of biodiversity informatics or specialized software. The course will occur from July 12?15 (Monday?Thursday) between 11 a.m. and 5 p.m. ET (exact times yet to be determined). You can expect to spend three hours per day in synchronous meetings and as much as two additional hours of preparation time per day outside of class. So this is about a 20-hour time commitment. We expect to cap the course at 20 participants and will make admission decisions based on the relevance of the training to the future of the applicant?s organization and a desire to engage a diversity of perspectives. The course will be delivered in English. Those interested in participating from outside the US are welcome to apply. You may apply to participate in this course at: https://forms.gle/YsP8awfKBAzksBSk9. Applications are due by 8 a.m. ET on Monday, June 7. Should you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact Michael Denslow at michael.denslow at gmail.com. This course is brought to you by iDigBio (https://www.idigbio.org) and will be taught by Michael Denslow, Erica Krimmel, and Austin Mast. Watch for an announcement of a second course offering from the iDigBio Digitization Academy soon. That course will be focused on public engagement in digitization. Please consider sharing this announcement with others who might benefit from it. Thanks! With best regards, Austin Mast, Erica Krimmel, and Michael Denslow From Museum Study, LLC Decolonizing Museums in Practice course begins July 5 on MuseumStudy.com Articles about decolonizing museums are everywhere these days, but what does this actually mean in practice for museum professionals? Join Laura Phillips, Heather George, and Nathan Sentance for this course where we will focus on looking critically at how museum professionals can activate decolonial ways of thinking in their own work environment, and in their day to day life. We will investigate how the words of contemporary Indigenous scholars and curators can be put into practice to promote practices that de-centre the subtle (and not so subtle) colonial ways of thinking that surround us every day. The text book can take a while to arrive so make sure to order it well in advance if you can not find it locally. This course fills early, but runs multiple times a year. For more information visit our website: https://www.museumstudy.com/decolonizing-museums-in-practice Keeping Historic Houses & Museums Clean 4 week online course begins July 5 on MuseumStudy.com An unkempt museum or historic house is not appealing to the visitor nor is it healthy for the staff and collection. In this 4 week online professional development course instructor Gretchen Anderson will lay a foundation as to how to clean objects and facilities safely. We will explore a variety of subjects, including health and safety for the staff and the objects, cleaning methods for a large variety of collection types common in art & cultural institutions and the importance of documenting what you do. One former participant said, "This class was so helpful! This was such a great resource! For the first time since I started working here, my staff really seems to understand why I ask them to do what we do. It has really been the start of some great conversations on site and we will 100% use the techniques learned." Cleaning and sterilizing the museum is in the news these days. Once we get back in to our museums and historic houses we will need to be extra careful. Please join us for this timely class to look at methods to protect both the collection and your visitors. For more information visit our website: https://www.museumstudy.com/keeping-historic-houses-and-museums-clean Policies for Managing Collections 4 week online course begins July 5 on MuseumStudy.com Join instructor John Simmons author of Things Great and Small: Collections Management Policies for the course Policies for Managing Collections. Participants in the course can purchase the Second Edition of the book at a discount. In this course we will critically examine the purposes and functions of collections management policies, including how collections are defined, acquired, managed, used, maintained, and deaccessioned. For more information visit our website: https://www.museumstudy.com/policies-for-managing-collections Creating Virtual Learning Opportunities in Museums course begins July 5 on MuseumStudy.com Join us for this new course born out of the challenges we all encountered this last year. Creating Virtual Learning Opportunities in Museums will cover creating both synchronous and asynchronous programs, connecting with teachers, and some technical skills to ensure that you can support teachers and students virtually as they learn from you and your museum. By the end of the course, participants will have built several different virtual education programs that will be ready to use. Participants will create at least 3 different virtual museum education programs and learn to use technology tools and build skills to help them develop additional virtual learning opportunities. For more information visit our website: https://www.museumstudy.com/creating-virtual-learning-opportunities-in-museums -- Brad Bredehoft CEO Museum Study, LLC www.MuseumStudy.com JEFF STEPHENSON COLLECTIONS MANAGER, ZOOLOGY DEPARTMENT [DMNS 2 Line RGB small.jpg] jeff.stephenson at dmns.org W 303.370.8319 F 303.331.6492 2001 Colorado Blvd., Denver CO 80205 preserve, present, inspire, explore www.dmns.org We are OPEN! Explore ancient mysteries and modern discoveries in "Stonehenge" the exhibition. ?El museo est? ABIERTO! Explora los misterios antiguos y los descubrimientos modernos en la exhibici?n "Stonehenge". The Denver Museum of Nature & Science salutes the citizens of metro Denver for helping fund arts, culture and science through their support of the Scientific and Cultural Facilities District (SCFD). JEFF STEPHENSON COLLECTIONS MANAGER, ZOOLOGY DEPARTMENT [DMNS 2 Line RGB small.jpg] jeff.stephenson at dmns.org W 303.370.8319 F 303.331.6492 2001 Colorado Blvd., Denver CO 80205 preserve, present, inspire, explore www.dmns.org We are OPEN! Explore ancient mysteries and modern discoveries in "Stonehenge" the exhibition. And investigate patterns?and numbers?hiding in plain sight in??Numbers in Nature: A Mirror Maze.?? ?El museo est? ABIERTO! Explora los misterios antiguos y los descubrimientos modernos en la exhibici?n "Stonehenge". Y descubre los patrones y los n?meros que se esconden a simple vista en "Los N?meros en la Naturaleza: Un Laberinto de Espejos".? The Denver Museum of Nature & Science salutes the citizens of metro Denver for helping fund arts, culture and science through their support of the Scientific and Cultural Facilities District (SCFD). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are looking to have these replicated for interpretation and hoping to either find pre-existing digital scans of the pelvic bones and sternum from another mature male humpback skeleton or original bones as reference. We have an adult female specimen from the South Australian Museum and while size differences, wondering if there are any changes to their shape we should note. Kind regards, Heather Heather Janetzki Collection Manager (Mammals/Birds) Biodiversity Program [Description: QM] PO Box 3300 | South Brisbane BC | Queensland 4101 | Australia t. 07 31534426 | southbank.qm.qld.gov.au The information in this email together with any attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. There is no waiver of any confidentiality/privilege by your inadvertent receipt of this material. Any form of review, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this email message is prohibited, unless as a necessary part of Queensland Museum business. If you have received this message in error, you are asked to inform the sender as quickly as possible and delete this message and any copies of this message from your computer and/or your computer system network. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 6467 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From cjschmidt at fhsu.edu Mon Jun 14 21:02:46 2021 From: cjschmidt at fhsu.edu (Curtis Schmidt) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 01:02:46 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Plateau Giant Tiger Beetle specimens Message-ID: All, I am compiling a list of all of the Amblycheila picolominii specimens in collections for a publication on the current distribution of the species. Please respond to me off list if you have any or if you know of a collection that might. Thank you! Curtis Schmidt _________________________________ Curtis J. Schmidt Zoological Collections Manager Sternberg Museum of Natural History Instructor Department of Biological Sciences Fort Hays State University 3000 Sternberg Drive Hays, KS 67601 785-650-2447 (cell) ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gainesville, FL 32611-7800 Office: (352) 273-1957 rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu Search the Collection: http://specifyportal.flmnh.ufl.edu/fishes/ Search samples suitable for dna analysis: https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/grr/holdings/ [cid:image002.jpg at 01D761CD.6E4D7940] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4940 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14842 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From bethanypalumbo at gmail.com Wed Jun 16 04:22:42 2021 From: bethanypalumbo at gmail.com (Bethany Palumbo) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:22:42 +0100 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Nominations for the SPNHC Elections are now open! Message-ID: Dear SPNHC Member, Nominations from the membership for the positions of *PRESIDENT-ELECT, SECRETARY and 2 MEMBERS-AT-LARGE* are now open! The deadline to make a nomination is *August 31st 2021*. *A little more about these roles:* *The President* is the chief executive officer of the Society and presides at meetings of Council and Business Meetings of the general membership. This role is a 6-year commitment. Further details on this role can be found here: https://spnhc.org/what-spnhc-does/governance/leadership-manual/president-elect/ *The Secretary* role serves to assist the President, answer all general correspondence directed to the society, hold responsibility for the minutes of all meetings of Council and the Business Meeting of the general membership. This role is a 2-year commitment. Further details on this role can be found here: https://spnhc.org/what-spnhc-does/governance/leadership-manual/secretary/ *The role of Member-at-Large* is to represent the general membership in the conduct of society business and you will be asked to perform additional tasks by the President. These will include assisting with administrative duties and/or additional projects to further the work of the society. The position of Member-at-Large is a 3-year commitment. Further details on this role can be found here: https://spnhc.org/what-spnhc-does/governance/leadership-manual/member-at-large/ *Members can also self-nominate* so if you are enthusiastic, committed and inspired to make a difference to the SPNHC then please get involved! I will contact those nominated after the deadline has passed. Please send your nominations to me off-list at bethanypalumbo at gmail.com All the best, Beth Palumbo, SPNHC Elections Committee Chair -- Bethany Palumbo, ACR Palumbo Conservation Services www.palumboconservation.com Twitter | @bethany_bug Instagram | @palumbo_conservation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee Wed Jun 16 12:44:33 2021 From: Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee (Lennart Lennuk) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 16:44:33 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Pvc or linoleum Message-ID: <4957a8d9748449af84730c55370064c8@loodusmuuseum.ee> Dear all! What do you prefer, linoleum or pvc for collections, eg fluid preserved collections? What are the pros and cons? Best! Lennart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best wishes Joachim -- Joachim Haendel Center of Natural SciencesCollections of the Martin-Luther-University - Entomological Collection - Domplatz 4 D-06099 Halle (Saale) Germany Phone: +49 345 - 55 26 447 Fax: +49 345 - 55 27 248 Email: joachim.haendel at zns.uni-halle.de >>> Lennart Lennuk 16.06.21 18.44 Uhr >>> Dear all! What do you prefer, linoleum or pvc for collections, eg fluid preserved collections? What are the pros and cons? Best! Lennart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neumann at snsb.de Wed Jun 16 15:23:25 2021 From: neumann at snsb.de (Dirk Neumann) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 21:23:25 +0200 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Antw: Pvc or linoleum In-Reply-To: <60CA5A64020000B30009128B@zuv12.verwaltung.uni-halle.de> References: <4957a8d9748449af84730c55370064c8@loodusmuuseum.ee> <60CA5A64020000B30009128B@zuv12.verwaltung.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <9c4a8467-7d49-4c7a-57f6-64e60f9f537a@snsb.de> Dear Lennart, second Joachim, also to reduce potential fire loads (under the scenario of an ethanol spillage o the floor that get for what ever reason ignited). Linoleum might soak up the ethanol, PVC (even if mixed up with fire protective compounds) might burn at some point if it gets hot enough and starts to release (flammable) gases. The flooring should also avoid any potential electrostatic loading ... Hope this helps Dirk Am 16.06.2021 um 20:09 schrieb Joachim H?ndel: > Dear Lennart, > > PVC loses plasticizers (which outgas) over the years. Then the floor > becomes brittle and crumbly. > But even linoleum is not free of evaporation and pollutants. We did > Oddy-tests with linoleum floors some time ago. The result did not look > good. > Possibly a sealed screed floor is a good idea. > > Best wishes > Joachim > > > > > > > -- > Joachim Haendel > Center of Natural SciencesCollections > of the Martin-Luther-University > - Entomological Collection - > > Domplatz 4 > D-06099 Halle (Saale) > Germany > > Phone:? +49 345 - 55 26 447 > Fax:? +49 345 - 55 27 248 > Email: joachim.haendel at zns.uni-halle.de > > > > >>> Lennart Lennuk 16.06.21 18.44 > Uhr >>> > Dear all! > > What do you prefer, linoleum or pvc for collections, eg fluid > preserved collections? > What are the pros and cons? > > Best! > Lennart > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. 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Fossil collections at the Burke Museum are actively growing and include over three million specimens distributed in several subdisciplines: vertebrate paleontology, paleobotany, invertebrate paleontology, and micropaleontology. A smaller collection of minerals and meteorites is also part of the department's holdings. Currently, the fossil collections are managed by three half-time faculty curators, one full-time fossil lab manager, and two full-time collections managers. Our collections managers are experts in vertebrate and invertebrate paleontology but currently share responsibility for the paleobotanical collections. We are seeking to add an expert in paleobotany to our team of collections staff who can focus on these collections, as well as manage the labs associated with paleobotanical research in our collections. In addition, some of the actively used paleobotanical collections are prepared, studied, and housed in the Biology Department, located in the Life Sciences Building on the UW campus; curation of these collections needs to be better integrated into the mission of Burke Paleobotany overall. Review of applications will begin on July 15, 2021. The successful candidate will assist the curator of paleobotany in setting curatorial and collections goals and in day-to-day collections operations. Specific responsibilities include: Management and Maintenance of Collections: Oversee Daily Operations of the Collections * Assist in management of (macrofossils, fossil wood, pollen and phytoliths, modern and fossil) collections organization and storage, in the Burke Museum and Biology Department, and on and off-site, according to best practices * Work with other members of the division collections staff team to design and implement protocols for curation and equipment use * Work collaboratively with collections staff across the museum on Burke-wide policies * Schedule use by researchers, visiting scholars and students; monitor visitors to the collection * Track use of the collections * Maintain lab and field equipment * Prepare collections-related grants, permits, and subsequent reports * Assist in preparation of grant and other funding proposals Data Management * Maintain division records and compile statistics for the paleobotany collection as needed * Coordinate digitization of collections data and its dissemination on the internet * Complete data entry as needed * Train collections staff and students on entry and use of digital resources Oversee expenditure of division and grant budget funds * Order supplies and equipment for paleobotany collections and wet labs and, on occasion, for the entire division * Manage budget activity and develop quarterly budget reports Other * Engage with the rest of the museum through committees Promoting Growth and Use of the Collections: Wet lab management, fossil preparation, and training * Manage the paleobotany wet laboratories (for phytolith, palynology, and cuticle work, including working with HF) in the Burke Museum and Biology Department, the former jointly managed with the Burke's fossil lab manager * Supervise activities in the wet laboratory, and ensure the safety of the personnel (e.g., students, visitors) engaged in these activities * Prepare fossils (e.g., macrofossils, phytoliths, cuticle) as needed * Train students and volunteers in fossil preparation (e.g., macrofossils, phytoliths, cuticle) and curation Growth of the Collections * Process loans, exchanges, accessions and de-accessions * Assist in the organization and execution of field work pertaining to the collection of fossil specimens; ensure travel is arranged and trip details are organized prior to departure and preparing staff, volunteers, and curators for field work Public Outreach: * Respond to public inquiries * Attend meetings as necessary and allow access to collections as appropriate * Facilitate use of the collections by UW Faculty, as well as in undergraduate and graduate courses * Coordinate with curators and museum exhibits/public programs staff for selection and management of all outreach and exhibit materials from the collections * Conduct divisional tours for school groups, university classes, and others * Along with other division collections staff, share responsibility for activating the visible work spaces while the museum is open to the public REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS: * MS in Paleobotany or related field * Two to five years related work experience. * Proficient experience with computer databases and online access of natural history collections DESIRED QUALIFICATIONS: * PhD in Paleobotany or related field * Experience with GPS mapping and GIS technology * Experience with MySQL or related relational database systems * Experience with laboratory work/preparation of plant fossils * Experience writing funded grant proposals * Experience with public outreach CONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT: * In part: work in collections spaces and labs that are visible to the public; work weekends as scheduled Application Process: The application process for UW positions may include completion of a variety of online assessments to obtain additional information that will be used in the evaluation process. These assessments may include Work Authorization, Cover Letter and/or others. Any assessments that you need to complete will appear on your screen as soon as you select "Apply to this position". Once you begin an assessment, it must be completed at that time; if you do not complete the assessment you will be prompted to do so the next time you access your "My Jobs" page. If you select to take it later, it will appear on your "My Jobs" page to take when you are ready. Please note that your application will not be reviewed, and you will not be considered for this position until all required assessments have been completed. Applicants considered for this position will be required to disclose if they are the subject of any substantiated findings or current investigations related to sexual misconduct at their current employment and past employment. Disclosure is required under Washington state law. Committed to attracting and retaining a diverse staff, the University of Washington will honor your experiences, perspectives and unique identity. Together, our community strives to create and maintain working and learning environments that are inclusive, equitable and welcoming. UW Req # 191082 Paleobotany Collections & Laboratory Manager position [X] The University of Washington is a leader in environmental stewardship & sustainability, and committed to becoming climate neutral. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ronald C. 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Musei Civici di Verona Museo di Storia Naturale lungadige Porta Vittoria 9 I - 37129 Verona +39 045 8079417-9400 https://museicivici.comune.verona.it/ [ http://www.facebook.com/MSNverona | www.facebook.com/MSNverona ] [ https://www.facebook.com/museostorianaturaleverona/ ] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Imuv MSN_nero_stampa.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 96560 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tschioette at snm.ku.dk Thu Jun 17 04:59:45 2021 From: tschioette at snm.ku.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom_Schi=F8tte?=) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 08:59:45 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Squid beak dissolved? Message-ID: <75d6ac38778543f6b78935c4acd7900f@snm.ku.dk> We recently at NHMD had an Architeuthis specimen out of the collection for filming and photographing. The beak of the specimen was missing and is not found in the dry collection. I could see no traces of dissection on the buccal mass, and it would be difficult, in my experience, to remove a beak without leaving any cutmarks. The probable (unrecorded) conservation history of the specimen is buffered formalin fixing after catch in 1965, subsequent transfer to 70 % alcohol with no added substances. Martin V. S?rensen tells me about chitin being dissolved in acidic alcohol over time, but in much smaller organisms. The cephalopod beak is mostly chitin, but for example we see the beaks regularly in whale stomachs, where the conditions must be pretty acidic. Any clues to what made our Architeuthis beak disappear? Cheers Tom Schi?tte Collection manager, Echinodermata & Mollusca Natural History Museum of Denmark (Zoology) Universitetsparken 15 DK 2100 Copenhagen OE +45 35 32 10 48 TSchioette at snm.ku.dk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Dries Andries J. van Dam | curator-conservator Anatomical Museum | Directorate of education | Leiden University Medical Center | Building 3 (V3-32) P.O.Box 9600 | 2300 RC Leiden | The Netherlands Visiting address: Hippocratespad 21 | Tel: +31 (0)71 52 68356 | E-mail: A.J.van_Dam at lumc.nl Website: https://www.lumc.nl/onderwijs/faciliteiten/anatomisch-museum Scientific associate | Natural History Museum London | http://www.nhm.ac.uk From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Roberta Salmaso Sent: donderdag 17 juni 2021 9:09 To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [MOGELIJK SPAM ! *****] [Nhcoll-l] formalin ethanol Hi All, in 2014 Kareen Schnabel (NIWA) wrote on the list: ?...we found the easiest is to get thin cut-off strips of our Byron Weston paper, run a waterproof marker down the length of it and dip the end into the liquid. Ethanol will make the waterproof marker run, formalin won't...? This is what I usually do to tell formalin from ethanol, but I am wondering who first had this idea. The guys at NIWA? Is there a paper that mention this method? Thank you, Roberta -- Roberta Salmaso technician zoology dept. Musei Civici di Verona Museo di Storia Naturale lungadige Porta Vittoria 9 I - 37129 Verona +39 045 8079417-9400 https://museicivici.comune.verona.it/ www.facebook.com/MSNverona [cid:image003.jpg at 01D76369.CD6A2340] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3376 bytes Desc: image003.jpg URL: From tlabedz1 at unl.edu Thu Jun 17 09:43:39 2021 From: tlabedz1 at unl.edu (Thomas Labedz) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 13:43:39 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] taxidermy reformatting Message-ID: Greetings from the very warm portions of central North America. I am inquiring if anyone has "reformatted" old taxidermy mounts (primarily bird but mammals too) into more compact specimens? I am faced with decreasing usable space for research-quality, study skin specimens. The largest available space within our collections is occupied by old taxidermy (estimated 500-600 pieces). These date from the mid-1800s to about 1940, are strongly suspected to contain arsenic (not all tested but those tested are positive) and have data content ranging from near zero to published documentation. Being broken, dirty, poorly done, etc. nearly all are not worthy of exhibit but are accessioned and owned by the museum. It is proposed that with care and precautions we document with photographs, carefully remove at least one wing and feet (areas most likely to have tissues for sampling) to be bagged with the tags and labels into the research collections. The remainder of each specimen to be deaccessioned and disposed through our campus hazardous materials program. Does anyone have experience with this? Problems encountered? Other tissues to save (head)? With smaller pieces I have had some success with relaxation in a humidity chamber (wet sand in a plastic tub) and careful repositioning from a life pose to a study skin pose, but the volume and size of the remainder preclude that being a viable alternative. Any advice welcome. Thank you. And, this happens to be the week of our museum's 150th anniversary. Here is a link to a press release if you have a few minutes. https://news.unl.edu/newsrooms/today/article/nebraska-celebrates-impacts-of-nu-state-museum/ Thomas Thomas Labedz, Collections Manager Division of Zoology and Division of Botany University of Nebraska State Museum University of Nebraska - Lincoln Lincoln, Nebraska, U.S.A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Good luck Erik ?hlander vertebrate zoology and museum history ZOO Swedish Museum of Natural History PO Box 50007 SE-10405 Stockholm Sweden +46 0 8 5195 4118 +46 0 70 225 2716 erik.ahlander at nrm.se Fr?n: Nhcoll-l F?r Thomas Labedz Skickat: den 17 juni 2021 15:44 Till: NHCOLL-L at mailman.yale.edu ?mne: [Nhcoll-l] taxidermy reformatting Greetings from the very warm portions of central North America. I am inquiring if anyone has "reformatted" old taxidermy mounts (primarily bird but mammals too) into more compact specimens? I am faced with decreasing usable space for research-quality, study skin specimens. The largest available space within our collections is occupied by old taxidermy (estimated 500-600 pieces). These date from the mid-1800s to about 1940, are strongly suspected to contain arsenic (not all tested but those tested are positive) and have data content ranging from near zero to published documentation. Being broken, dirty, poorly done, etc. nearly all are not worthy of exhibit but are accessioned and owned by the museum. It is proposed that with care and precautions we document with photographs, carefully remove at least one wing and feet (areas most likely to have tissues for sampling) to be bagged with the tags and labels into the research collections. The remainder of each specimen to be deaccessioned and disposed through our campus hazardous materials program. Does anyone have experience with this? Problems encountered? Other tissues to save (head)? With smaller pieces I have had some success with relaxation in a humidity chamber (wet sand in a plastic tub) and careful repositioning from a life pose to a study skin pose, but the volume and size of the remainder preclude that being a viable alternative. Any advice welcome. Thank you. And, this happens to be the week of our museum's 150th anniversary. Here is a link to a press release if you have a few minutes. https://news.unl.edu/newsrooms/today/article/nebraska-celebrates-impacts-of-nu-state-museum/ Thomas Thomas Labedz, Collections Manager Division of Zoology and Division of Botany University of Nebraska State Museum University of Nebraska - Lincoln Lincoln, Nebraska, U.S.A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From PALMERL at si.edu Thu Jun 17 12:37:51 2021 From: PALMERL at si.edu (Palmer, Lisa) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 16:37:51 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] FW: Heads up: Tropical weather outlook; upcoming webinar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FYI From: Foley, Lori Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 12:36 PM Subject: Heads up: Tropical weather outlook; upcoming webinar External Email - Exercise Caution HENTF members, Please share the following information with your constituents: 1. From the National Weather Service: A tropical or subtropical depression is likely to form over the west-central Gulf of Mexico tonight or early Friday. Heavy rains should begin to affect portions of the northern Gulf Coast on Friday. The chance of formation through 48 hours is high, at 90%; the chance through 5 days is also at 90%. Heavy rains mean the potential for flooding. For those members and constituents along the Gulf Coast, from Texas to the Florida Panhandle, now's the time to prepare for the possibility of flooding. The system can be tracked via the National Hurricane Center, http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/. Updates will also be posted to HENTF's dashboard, https://fema.connectsolutions.com/hentf/. [cid:image001.jpg at 01D76375.95BF61B0] 1. The Foundation for Advancement in Conservation (FAIC) is pleased to host a free webinar, titled "Emergency Planning and Response, Texas-Style," on July 14 at 3:00 pm EDT. Olivia Primanis from the Texas Collections Emergency Resource Alliance (TX-CERA) and Lauren Hainley from the Houston Arts Alliance (HAA) will discuss response efforts following Polar Vortex Uri, in February 2021. Register here: https://learning.culturalheritage.org/products/emergency-planning-and-response-texas-style Thank you, Lori Lori Foley Coordinator | Heritage Emergency National Task Force Office of Environmental Planning & Historic Preservation Federal Insurance and Mitigation Administration | Resilience Mobile: (202) 826-6303 lori.foley at fema.dhs.gov culturalrescue.si.edu/hentf Federal Emergency Management Agency fema.gov [cid:image002.jpg at 01D76375.95BF61B0] [cid:image003.jpg at 01D76375.95BF61B0] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We have hundreds of specimens of various large squids and octopus, and there is no evidence that any have degraded at all. The only real damage I have seen is with our giant pacific octopus which after 20 years in formalin became overly soft and prone to tearing. I will be very interested to hear of other's experience with squid, and in particular, Architeuthis preservation. Eric A. Lazo-Wasem, Senior Collections Manager Division of Invertebrate Zoology Peabody Museum of Natural History Yale University 170 Whitney Avenue New Haven, CT 06520 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Tom Schi?tte Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 4:59 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Cc: Martin Vinther S?rensen ; Anders Drud Jordan Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Squid beak dissolved? We recently at NHMD had an Architeuthis specimen out of the collection for filming and photographing. The beak of the specimen was missing and is not found in the dry collection. I could see no traces of dissection on the buccal mass, and it would be difficult, in my experience, to remove a beak without leaving any cutmarks. The probable (unrecorded) conservation history of the specimen is buffered formalin fixing after catch in 1965, subsequent transfer to 70 % alcohol with no added substances. Martin V. S?rensen tells me about chitin being dissolved in acidic alcohol over time, but in much smaller organisms. The cephalopod beak is mostly chitin, but for example we see the beaks regularly in whale stomachs, where the conditions must be pretty acidic. Any clues to what made our Architeuthis beak disappear? Cheers Tom Schi?tte Collection manager, Echinodermata & Mollusca Natural History Museum of Denmark (Zoology) Universitetsparken 15 DK 2100 Copenhagen OE +45 35 32 10 48 TSchioette at snm.ku.dk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They were quite happy to use the vials we pre-supplied, so we didn't have to rehouse when the collections came to us. -Dean -- Dean Pentcheff pentcheff at gmail.com pentcheff at nhm.org https://research.nhm.org/disco On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 12:05 PM Callomon,Paul wrote: > In our recent discussions of alcohol storage containers, we didn?t touch > on the distinction between lab-grade containers and storage-grade ones. In > the field and lab, scientists often use containers that are not > storage-grade, such as: > > > > - glass vials and jars that have snap-on plastic lids > > - glass shell vials with push-in plastic lids > > - Eppendorf and other plastic sample tubes with push-on or screw-on lids > > - Nalgene and similar flexible plastic bottles > > > > None of these is storage-grade ? that is, proven to be durable over longer > terms (10 years plus). When consigning samples to the collection, > therefore, they must be transferred to storage-grade containers. If you are > handed several trays of field samples in plastic tubes for the collection, > getting them into individual screw-top glass vials with proper lids and > placing them in racks on shelves can cost hundreds of dollars. Attempting > to bill scientists for this or persuading them to proactively add storage > expenses to their grant budgets can be a lively conversation. > > > > Paul Callomon > > Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates > ------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University* > > 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA > *prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. 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Thank you, Beth Wommack -- Elizabeth Wommack, PhD Curator and Collections Manager of Vertebrates University of Wyoming Museum of Vertebrates Berry Biodiversity Conservation Center University of Wyoming, Laramie, WY 82071 ewommack@ uwyo.edu www.uwymv. org UWYMV Collection Use Policy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ccicero at berkeley.edu Sat Jun 19 09:41:26 2021 From: ccicero at berkeley.edu (Carla Cicero) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 09:41:26 -0400 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] ATTENTION ORNITHOLOGISTS AND MUSEUMS who import/export migratory birds: please help address an issue with USFWS by filling out our survey! Message-ID: Many in the broader ornithological community rely on the issuance of import/export permits from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to do their work. It has come to our attention that the USFWS formalized their Migratory Bird Import/Export Standard Procedures in 2019, and that more consistency among regions may be implemented with respect to these procedures. According to these standards, each shipment would be required to be specified on the face of the permit (including date range, shipment origin/destination, species, type of specimen, and quantity) to be MBTA compliant. Thus, blanket permits for migratory bird import/export may no longer be issued. We are concerned this will cause undue burden for researchers and museums who import/export migratory birds for scientific purposes. In preparation for addressing this issue with USFWS, we are gathering information about MBTA permits from current or recent permit holders. Please complete this short survey *no later than 2 July 2021* if you have a current MBTA permit, or have had one within the past five years. We will keep the community updated on our efforts. Thank you! Sincerely, Laura Bies, Ornithological Council Executive Director Carla Cicero and John Bates, American Ornithological Society Collections Committee Co-Chairs -- Carla Cicero, Ph.D Staff Curator of Birds Museum of Vertebrate Zoology 3101 Valley Life Sciences Building University of California Berkeley, CA 94720-3160 TEL: (510) 642-7868 FAX: (510) 643-8238 http://mvz.berkeley.edu https://carlacicero.net http://vertnet.org https://arctosdb.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_collections http://americanornithology.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From larry at springstewardship.org Mon Jun 21 00:51:33 2021 From: larry at springstewardship.org (Larry Stevens) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 21:51:33 -0700 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] No MNA specimens of A. picolominii Message-ID: The Museum of Northern Arizona has no specimens of A. picolominii. 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Deborah Paul, Chair TDWG (2021-2022) Ely Wallis, Deputy Chair TDWG (2021-2022) -- - Deborah Paul, Biodiversity Informatics (BI) Community Liaison - Species File Group (INHS), University of Illinois -- BI Standards (TDWG) Chair -- Florida State University Courtesy Appointment -- Species File Group and Events https://speciesfilegroup.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tonya.Haff at csiro.au Mon Jun 21 23:12:57 2021 From: Tonya.Haff at csiro.au (Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace)) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 03:12:57 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] FW: use of air to bubble through ethanol to mix solutions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, We typically use a fish bubbler to mix ETOH and water together when we mix up 70% ETOH. We are in the stages of planning a new building, and I recently got the below feedback about doing this - the dangerous goods consultant says that this has the risk of acidifying the solution, and that using N2 to mix the solution might be a better idea. Do any of you have thoughts on this? If so, I would really appreciate hearing them! Cheers, Tonya Email: As per our conversation last week, you mentioned that CSIRO plan on using air to bubble through their ethanol solutions to help mix the solution. Can you please confirm if this is correct with CSIRO? Normally when you mix/bubble air through ethanol solutions, you may run the risk of oxidation of the ethanol, although this reaction is very slow, you may generate some acetylaldehyde and eventually ethanoic acid. Can you confirm with CSIRO if using nitrogen is better? This would still help mix the solutions and would have the added benefit of degassing the ethanol by removing dissolved oxygen from the solution. This long term, would help minimise the risk of oxidation of the ethanol and generation of acetylaldehyde and eventually ethanoic acid. Regards Paulo Da Silva [cid:image001.png at 01D76768.4FF70F10] Dr Paulo Da Silva PhD, BSc(Hons), M.RACI, M.AIDGC, NABERS Accredited Assessor Principal Consultant - Dangerous Goods +61 458 639 888 | +61 2 9966 9211 [cid:image009.png at 01D76768.4FF70F10] [cid:image010.png at 01D76768.4FF70F10] [cid:image011.png at 01D76768.4FF70F10] [cid:image012.jpg at 01D76768.4FF70F10] [cid:image013.png at 01D76768.4FF70F10] [cid:image014.png at 01D76768.4FF70F10] CETEC Pty Ltd (Aus) | CETEC Foray Ltd (UK) | CETEC Foray LLC (USA) | Foray Laboratories Pty Ltd - ISO 17025 Accredited This email and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete and do not copy nor disseminate this email. 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If you use the bubbler to aerate the ethanol to fix it, my first thought would not be the oxygen (assuming that you do not use pure, bottled oxygen for mixing), but the carbon dioxide, which surely leads to an acidification of the remaining water fraction, even more so, if distilled or bi-distilled water is used to dilute the ethanol, because distilled water has a very high affinity for carbon dioxide. Even though a bicarbonate-puffer system establishes, the pH is rather at the low end and usually around pH 4-5 in distilled water, so rather acidic. This surely is different in tap-water (assuming it is of certified quality without any additives such as chlorine), especially if it is calcareous. But still, when mixing both fluids, you shift the dissolving equilibrium, and what you can spot is a lot of fine air bubbles that escape from the mixture (carrying capacity for the physically dissolved gases shifted), and (usually) a fine white precipitation (calcium carbonate). Thus the carbon dioxide likely has more effect than the oxygen on the acidity of the aqueous fraction of the mixture. Next step: secondary reactions like oxidation. While ethanol is a rather stable molecule, less stable molecules would be attacked and oxidised first, because their unsaturated polar bindings have the higher affinity to attract electrons. For example, residual formaldehyde escaping from specimens might be oxidised to formic acid. Same applies to highly polar denaturants like ketones, which are more susceptible to be oxidised. The more such molecules are present and oxidised, the less the ethanol will. And you less likely can prevent this by mixing the ethanol with N2, because stirring the mixture will also allow other gases to dissolve (unless this is done in a hermetically closed atmosphere). And even if, upon initial filling or topping, the fluid will have a lot of contact with the surrounding air and will be stirred up, and carbon dioxide and other gases will dissolve etc. ... We you use a big stick to stir the fluids when mixing the ethanol in a drum, we usually mix 60 litres and let it rest for two days until we use it. We have two of these drums, which is sufficiently enough for our daily work, and we are careful when filling jars to avoid any air bubbles, i.e. we fill in the ethanol slowly. Hope this helps, Dirk Am 22.06.2021 um 05:12 schrieb Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace): > > Hello all, > > We typically use a fish bubbler to mix ETOH and water together when we > mix up 70% ETOH. We are in the stages of planning a new building, and > I recently got the below feedback about doing this ? the dangerous > goods consultant says that this has the risk of acidifying the > solution, and that using N2 to mix the solution might be a better > idea. Do any of you have thoughts on this? If so, I would really > appreciate hearing them! > > Cheers, > > Tonya > > *Email:* > > As per our conversation last week, you mentioned that CSIRO plan on > using air to bubble through their ethanol solutions to help mix the > solution. Can you please confirm if this is correct with CSIRO? > > Normally when you mix/bubble air through ethanol solutions, you may > run the risk of oxidation of the ethanol, although this reaction is > very slow, you may generate some acetylaldehyde and eventually > ethanoic acid. > > Can you confirm with CSIRO if using nitrogen is better? This would > still help mix the solutions and would have the added benefit of > degassing the ethanol by removing dissolved oxygen from the solution. > This long term, would help minimise the risk of oxidation of the > ethanol and generation of acetylaldehyde and eventually ethanoic acid. > > Regards > > Paulo Da Silva > > > > > > Dr Paulo Da Silva > PhD, BSc(Hons), M.RACI, M.AIDGC, > NABERS Accredited Assessor > Principal Consultant - Dangerous Goods > > +61 458 639 888 | +61 2 9966 9211 > > > > CETEC Pty Ltd (Aus) | CETEC Foray Ltd (UK) | CETEC Foray LLC (USA) | > Foray Laboratories Pty Ltd - ISO 17025 Accredited > This email and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. > If you are not the intended recipient, please delete and do not copy > nor disseminate this email. 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I?ve only noted precipitation of white salts when diluting with a non-purified water. With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com > On 22 Jun 2021, at 08:11, Dirk Neumann wrote: > > Good afternoon Tonya, > interesting question - do you use pure ethanol, or denatured ethanol, and if the latter, which denaturant is added? > > If you use the bubbler to aerate the ethanol to fix it, my first thought would not be the oxygen (assuming that you do not use pure, bottled oxygen for mixing), but the carbon dioxide, which surely leads to an acidification of the remaining water fraction, even more so, if distilled or bi-distilled water is used to dilute the ethanol, because distilled water has a very high affinity for carbon dioxide. Even though a bicarbonate-puffer system establishes, the pH is rather at the low end and usually around pH 4-5 in distilled water, so rather acidic. This surely is different in tap-water (assuming it is of certified quality without any additives such as chlorine), especially if it is calcareous. But still, when mixing both fluids, you shift the dissolving equilibrium, and what you can spot is a lot of fine air bubbles that escape from the mixture (carrying capacity for the physically dissolved gases shifted), and (usually) a fine white precipitation (calcium carbonate). > > Thus the carbon dioxide likely has more effect than the oxygen on the acidity of the aqueous fraction of the mixture. > > Next step: secondary reactions like oxidation. > > While ethanol is a rather stable molecule, less stable molecules would be attacked and oxidised first, because their unsaturated polar bindings have the higher affinity to attract electrons. For example, residual formaldehyde escaping from specimens might be oxidised to formic acid. Same applies to highly polar denaturants like ketones, which are more susceptible to be oxidised. The more such molecules are present and oxidised, the less the ethanol will. > > And you less likely can prevent this by mixing the ethanol with N2, because stirring the mixture will also allow other gases to dissolve (unless this is done in a hermetically closed atmosphere). And even if, upon initial filling or topping, the fluid will have a lot of contact with the surrounding air and will be stirred up, and carbon dioxide and other gases will dissolve etc. ... > > We you use a big stick to stir the fluids when mixing the ethanol in a drum, we usually mix 60 litres and let it rest for two days until we use it. We have two of these drums, which is sufficiently enough for our daily work, and we are careful when filling jars to avoid any air bubbles, i.e. we fill in the ethanol slowly. > > Hope this helps, > Dirk > > > > Am 22.06.2021 um 05:12 schrieb Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace): >> Hello all, >> >> We typically use a fish bubbler to mix ETOH and water together when we mix up 70% ETOH. We are in the stages of planning a new building, and I recently got the below feedback about doing this ? the dangerous goods consultant says that this has the risk of acidifying the solution, and that using N2 to mix the solution might be a better idea. Do any of you have thoughts on this? If so, I would really appreciate hearing them! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tonya >> >> >> Email: >> >> >> As per our conversation last week, you mentioned that CSIRO plan on using air to bubble through their ethanol solutions to help mix the solution. Can you please confirm if this is correct with CSIRO? >> >> Normally when you mix/bubble air through ethanol solutions, you may run the risk of oxidation of the ethanol, although this reaction is very slow, you may generate some acetylaldehyde and eventually ethanoic acid. >> >> Can you confirm with CSIRO if using nitrogen is better? This would still help mix the solutions and would have the added benefit of degassing the ethanol by removing dissolved oxygen from the solution. This long term, would help minimise the risk of oxidation of the ethanol and generation of acetylaldehyde and eventually ethanoic acid. >> >> >> Regards >> Paulo Da Silva >> >> >> Dr Paulo Da Silva >> PhD, BSc(Hons), M.RACI, M.AIDGC, >> NABERS Accredited Assessor >> Principal Consultant - Dangerous Goods >> >> +61 458 639 888 | +61 2 9966 9211 >> >> >> >> >> CETEC Pty Ltd (Aus) | CETEC Foray Ltd (UK) | CETEC Foray LLC (USA) | Foray Laboratories Pty Ltd - ISO 17025 Accredited >> This email and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete and do not copy nor disseminate this email. Full Disclaimer >> >> >> >> Message protected by MailGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content filtering. >> http://www.mailguard.com.au/mg >> >> >> Report this message as spam >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nhcoll-l mailing list >> >> Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of >> Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose >> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of >> natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to >> society. See >> http://www.spnhc.org >> for membership information. >> Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. >> > > > -- > > > > Dirk Neumann > > Tel: 089 / 8107-111 > Fax: 089 / 8107-300 > neumann(a)snsb.de > > Postanschrift: > > Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns > Zoologische Staatssammlung M?nchen > Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Storage > M?nchhausenstr. 21 > 81247 M?nchen > > Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung: > http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ > > --------- > > Dirk Neumann > > Tel: +49-89-8107-111 > Fax: +49-89-8107-300 > neumann(a)snsb.de > > postal address: > > Bavarian Natural History Collections > The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology > Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage > Muenchhausenstr. 21 > 81247 Munich (Germany) > > Visit our section at: > http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. From neumann at snsb.de Tue Jun 22 04:16:19 2021 From: neumann at snsb.de (Dirk Neumann) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:16:19 +0200 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] FW: use of air to bubble through ethanol to mix solutions. In-Reply-To: <8ACD2765-498B-4964-82C9-07DE57191C42@btinternet.com> References: <8ACD2765-498B-4964-82C9-07DE57191C42@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4b45e826-cfe9-7b52-a354-181ebd81cd78@snsb.de> ... grandiose typo, "if you use the bubbler ... to fix it, ..."; to _mix_ it of course! ... if fingers are faster than brains .... :-) Am 22.06.2021 um 10:01 schrieb Simon Moore: > I have not heard of using gas to mix ethanol and water before and it seems a rather elaborate / unnecessary process. Like Dirk, I have always mixed my solutions together using a magnetic stirrer or just using a glass stirring rod. For larger amounts, using a stick or larger rod would seem to be fine. Letting the mixture rest is important as the mixture will evolve dissolved air for at least a few hours. > I?ve only noted precipitation of white salts when diluting with a non-purified water. > > With all good wishes, Simon > > Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, > > www.natural-history-conservation.com > > > > >> On 22 Jun 2021, at 08:11, Dirk Neumann wrote: >> >> Good afternoon Tonya, >> interesting question - do you use pure ethanol, or denatured ethanol, and if the latter, which denaturant is added? >> >> If you use the bubbler to aerate the ethanol to fix it, my first thought would not be the oxygen (assuming that you do not use pure, bottled oxygen for mixing), but the carbon dioxide, which surely leads to an acidification of the remaining water fraction, even more so, if distilled or bi-distilled water is used to dilute the ethanol, because distilled water has a very high affinity for carbon dioxide. Even though a bicarbonate-puffer system establishes, the pH is rather at the low end and usually around pH 4-5 in distilled water, so rather acidic. This surely is different in tap-water (assuming it is of certified quality without any additives such as chlorine), especially if it is calcareous. But still, when mixing both fluids, you shift the dissolving equilibrium, and what you can spot is a lot of fine air bubbles that escape from the mixture (carrying capacity for the physically dissolved gases shifted), and (usually) a fine white precipitation (calcium carbonate). >> >> Thus the carbon dioxide likely has more effect than the oxygen on the acidity of the aqueous fraction of the mixture. >> >> Next step: secondary reactions like oxidation. >> >> While ethanol is a rather stable molecule, less stable molecules would be attacked and oxidised first, because their unsaturated polar bindings have the higher affinity to attract electrons. For example, residual formaldehyde escaping from specimens might be oxidised to formic acid. Same applies to highly polar denaturants like ketones, which are more susceptible to be oxidised. The more such molecules are present and oxidised, the less the ethanol will. >> >> And you less likely can prevent this by mixing the ethanol with N2, because stirring the mixture will also allow other gases to dissolve (unless this is done in a hermetically closed atmosphere). And even if, upon initial filling or topping, the fluid will have a lot of contact with the surrounding air and will be stirred up, and carbon dioxide and other gases will dissolve etc. ... >> >> We you use a big stick to stir the fluids when mixing the ethanol in a drum, we usually mix 60 litres and let it rest for two days until we use it. We have two of these drums, which is sufficiently enough for our daily work, and we are careful when filling jars to avoid any air bubbles, i.e. we fill in the ethanol slowly. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Dirk >> >> >> >> Am 22.06.2021 um 05:12 schrieb Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace): >>> Hello all, >>> >>> We typically use a fish bubbler to mix ETOH and water together when we mix up 70% ETOH. We are in the stages of planning a new building, and I recently got the below feedback about doing this ? the dangerous goods consultant says that this has the risk of acidifying the solution, and that using N2 to mix the solution might be a better idea. Do any of you have thoughts on this? If so, I would really appreciate hearing them! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Tonya >>> >>> >>> Email: >>> >>> >>> As per our conversation last week, you mentioned that CSIRO plan on using air to bubble through their ethanol solutions to help mix the solution. Can you please confirm if this is correct with CSIRO? >>> >>> Normally when you mix/bubble air through ethanol solutions, you may run the risk of oxidation of the ethanol, although this reaction is very slow, you may generate some acetylaldehyde and eventually ethanoic acid. >>> >>> Can you confirm with CSIRO if using nitrogen is better? This would still help mix the solutions and would have the added benefit of degassing the ethanol by removing dissolved oxygen from the solution. This long term, would help minimise the risk of oxidation of the ethanol and generation of acetylaldehyde and eventually ethanoic acid. >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> Paulo Da Silva >>> >>> >>> Dr Paulo Da Silva >>> PhD, BSc(Hons), M.RACI, M.AIDGC, >>> NABERS Accredited Assessor >>> Principal Consultant - Dangerous Goods >>> >>> +61 458 639 888 | +61 2 9966 9211 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> CETEC Pty Ltd (Aus) | CETEC Foray Ltd (UK) | CETEC Foray LLC (USA) | Foray Laboratories Pty Ltd - ISO 17025 Accredited >>> This email and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete and do not copy nor disseminate this email. Full Disclaimer >>> >>> >>> >>> Message protected by MailGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content filtering. >>> http://www.mailguard.com.au/mg >>> >>> >>> Report this message as spam >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nhcoll-l mailing list >>> >>> Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >>> https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of >>> Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose >>> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of >>> natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to >>> society. See >>> http://www.spnhc.org >>> for membership information. >>> Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Dirk Neumann >> >> Tel: 089 / 8107-111 >> Fax: 089 / 8107-300 >> neumann(a)snsb.de >> >> Postanschrift: >> >> Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns >> Zoologische Staatssammlung M?nchen >> Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Storage >> M?nchhausenstr. 21 >> 81247 M?nchen >> >> Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung: >> http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ >> >> --------- >> >> Dirk Neumann >> >> Tel: +49-89-8107-111 >> Fax: +49-89-8107-300 >> neumann(a)snsb.de >> >> postal address: >> >> Bavarian Natural History Collections >> The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology >> Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage >> Muenchhausenstr. 21 >> 81247 Munich (Germany) >> >> Visit our section at: >> http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nhcoll-l mailing list >> Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of >> Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose >> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of >> natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to >> society. 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The best way of slowing down the inevitable acidification of your fluid is creating a barrier for these gasses to enter the jar by using low-permeable container materials for these gasses. Glass jars with glass lids and a low oxygen permeable sealant are still the best way to severely slow down these degradation processes. To my opinion, flushing ethanol with nitrogen does not have much effect on preventing acidification in the long-term when subsequently this mix is poured into containers that are not air-tight or are made of materials that are highly permeable for air. Kind regards, Dries -- Andries J. van Dam | curator-conservator Anatomical Museum | Directorate of education | Leiden University Medical Center | Building 3 (V3-32) P.O.Box 9600 | 2300 RC Leiden | The Netherlands Visiting address: Hippocratespad 21 | Tel: +31 (0)71 52 68356 | E-mail: A.J.van_Dam at lumc.nl Website: https://www.lumc.nl/onderwijs/over-ons/anatomisch-museum/?setlanguage=English&setcountry=en Scientific associate | Natural History Museum London | http://www.nhm.ac.uk From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: dinsdag 22 juni 2021 9:12 To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] FW: use of air to bubble through ethanol to mix solutions. Good afternoon Tonya, interesting question - do you use pure ethanol, or denatured ethanol, and if the latter, which denaturant is added? If you use the bubbler to aerate the ethanol to fix it, my first thought would not be the oxygen (assuming that you do not use pure, bottled oxygen for mixing), but the carbon dioxide, which surely leads to an acidification of the remaining water fraction, even more so, if distilled or bi-distilled water is used to dilute the ethanol, because distilled water has a very high affinity for carbon dioxide. Even though a bicarbonate-puffer system establishes, the pH is rather at the low end and usually around pH 4-5 in distilled water, so rather acidic. This surely is different in tap-water (assuming it is of certified quality without any additives such as chlorine), especially if it is calcareous. But still, when mixing both fluids, you shift the dissolving equilibrium, and what you can spot is a lot of fine air bubbles that escape from the mixture (carrying capacity for the physically dissolved gases shifted), and (usually) a fine white precipitation (calcium carbonate). Thus the carbon dioxide likely has more effect than the oxygen on the acidity of the aqueous fraction of the mixture. Next step: secondary reactions like oxidation. While ethanol is a rather stable molecule, less stable molecules would be attacked and oxidised first, because their unsaturated polar bindings have the higher affinity to attract electrons. For example, residual formaldehyde escaping from specimens might be oxidised to formic acid. Same applies to highly polar denaturants like ketones, which are more susceptible to be oxidised. The more such molecules are present and oxidised, the less the ethanol will. And you less likely can prevent this by mixing the ethanol with N2, because stirring the mixture will also allow other gases to dissolve (unless this is done in a hermetically closed atmosphere). And even if, upon initial filling or topping, the fluid will have a lot of contact with the surrounding air and will be stirred up, and carbon dioxide and other gases will dissolve etc. ... We you use a big stick to stir the fluids when mixing the ethanol in a drum, we usually mix 60 litres and let it rest for two days until we use it. We have two of these drums, which is sufficiently enough for our daily work, and we are careful when filling jars to avoid any air bubbles, i.e. we fill in the ethanol slowly. Hope this helps, Dirk Am 22.06.2021 um 05:12 schrieb Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace): Hello all, We typically use a fish bubbler to mix ETOH and water together when we mix up 70% ETOH. We are in the stages of planning a new building, and I recently got the below feedback about doing this - the dangerous goods consultant says that this has the risk of acidifying the solution, and that using N2 to mix the solution might be a better idea. Do any of you have thoughts on this? If so, I would really appreciate hearing them! Cheers, Tonya Email: As per our conversation last week, you mentioned that CSIRO plan on using air to bubble through their ethanol solutions to help mix the solution. Can you please confirm if this is correct with CSIRO? Normally when you mix/bubble air through ethanol solutions, you may run the risk of oxidation of the ethanol, although this reaction is very slow, you may generate some acetylaldehyde and eventually ethanoic acid. Can you confirm with CSIRO if using nitrogen is better? This would still help mix the solutions and would have the added benefit of degassing the ethanol by removing dissolved oxygen from the solution. This long term, would help minimise the risk of oxidation of the ethanol and generation of acetylaldehyde and eventually ethanoic acid. Regards Paulo Da Silva [cid:image002.png at 01D76756.2B6E0D40] Dr Paulo Da Silva PhD, BSc(Hons), M.RACI, M.AIDGC, NABERS Accredited Assessor Principal Consultant - Dangerous Goods +61 458 639 888 | +61 2 9966 9211 [cid:image004.png at 01D76756.2B6E0D40] [cid:image006.png at 01D76756.2B6E0D40] [cid:image008.png at 01D76756.2B6E0D40] [cid:image010.jpg at 01D76756.2B6E0D40] [cid:image012.png at 01D76756.2B6E0D40] [cid:image014.png at 01D76756.2B6E0D40] CETEC Pty Ltd (Aus) | CETEC Foray Ltd (UK) | CETEC Foray LLC (USA) | Foray Laboratories Pty Ltd - ISO 17025 Accredited This email and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete and do not copy nor disseminate this email. 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All the best Joachim -- Joachim Haendel Center of Natural SciencesCollections of the Martin-Luther-University - Entomological Collection - Domplatz 4 D-06099 Halle (Saale) Germany Phone: +49 345 - 55 26 447 Fax: +49 345 - 55 27 248 Email: joachim.haendel at zns.uni-halle.de >>> Simon Moore 22.06.21 10.01 Uhr >>> I have not heard of using gas to mix ethanol and water before and it seems a rather elaborate / unnecessary process. Like Dirk, I have always mixed my solutions together using a magnetic stirrer or just using a glass stirring rod. For larger amounts, using a stick or larger rod would seem to be fine. Letting the mixture rest is important as the mixture will evolve dissolved air for at least a few hours. I?ve only noted precipitation of white salts when diluting with a non-purified water. With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com > On 22 Jun 2021, at 08:11, Dirk Neumann wrote: > > Good afternoon Tonya, > interesting question - do you use pure ethanol, or denatured ethanol, and if the latter, which denaturant is added? > > If you use the bubbler to aerate the ethanol to fix it, my first thought would not be the oxygen (assuming that you do not use pure, bottled oxygen for mixing), but the carbon dioxide, which surely leads to an acidification of the remaining water fraction, even more so, if distilled or bi-distilled water is used to dilute the ethanol, because distilled water has a very high affinity for carbon dioxide. Even though a bicarbonate-puffer system establishes, the pH is rather at the low end and usually around pH 4-5 in distilled water, so rather acidic. This surely is different in tap-water (assuming it is of certified quality without any additives such as chlorine), especially if it is calcareous. But still, when mixing both fluids, you shift the dissolving equilibrium, and what you can spot is a lot of fine air bubbles that escape from the mixture (carrying capacity for the physically dissolved gases shifted), and (usually) a fine white precipitation (calcium carbonate). > > Thus the carbon dioxide likely has more effect than the oxygen on the acidity of the aqueous fraction of the mixture. > > Next step: secondary reactions like oxidation. > > While ethanol is a rather stable molecule, less stable molecules would be attacked and oxidised first, because their unsaturated polar bindings have the higher affinity to attract electrons. For example, residual formaldehyde escaping from specimens might be oxidised to formic acid. Same applies to highly polar denaturants like ketones, which are more susceptible to be oxidised. The more such molecules are present and oxidised, the less the ethanol will. > > And you less likely can prevent this by mixing the ethanol with N2, because stirring the mixture will also allow other gases to dissolve (unless this is done in a hermetically closed atmosphere). And even if, upon initial filling or topping, the fluid will have a lot of contact with the surrounding air and will be stirred up, and carbon dioxide and other gases will dissolve etc. ... > > We you use a big stick to stir the fluids when mixing the ethanol in a drum, we usually mix 60 litres and let it rest for two days until we use it. We have two of these drums, which is sufficiently enough for our daily work, and we are careful when filling jars to avoid any air bubbles, i.e. we fill in the ethanol slowly. > > Hope this helps, > Dirk > > > > Am 22.06.2021 um 05:12 schrieb Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace): >> Hello all, >> >> We typically use a fish bubbler to mix ETOH and water together when we mix up 70% ETOH. We are iI recently got the below feedback about doing this ? the dangerous goods consultant says that this has the risk of acidifying the solution, and that using N2 to mix the solution might be a better idea. Do any of you have thoughts on this? If so, I would really appreciate hearing them! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tonya >> >> >> Email: >> >> >> As per our conversation last week, you mentioned that CSIRO plan on using air to bubble through their ethanol solutions to help mix the solution. Can you please confirm if this is correct with CSIRO? >> >> Normally when you mix/bubble air through ethanol solutions, you may run the risk of oxidation of the ethanol, although this reaction is very slow, you may generate some acetylaldehyde and eventually ethanoic acid. >> >> Can you confirm with CSIRO if using nitrogen is better? This would still help mix the solutions and would have the added benefit of degassing the ethanol by removing dissolved oxygen from the solution. This long term, would help minimise the risk of oxidation of the ethanol and generation of acetylaldehyde and eventually ethanoic acid. >> >> >> Regards >> Paulo Da Silva >> >> >> Dr Paulo Da Silva >> PhD, BSc(Hons), M.RACI, M.AIDGC, >> NABERS Accredited Assessor >> Principal Consultant - Dangerous Goods >> >> +61 458 639 888 | +61 2 9966 9211 >> >> >> >> >> CETEC Pty Ltd (Aus) | CETEC Foray Ltd (UK) | CETEC Foray LLC (USA) | Foray Laboratories Pty Ltd - ISO 17025 Accredited >> This email and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete and do not copy nor disseminate this email. 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See >> http://www.spnhc.org >> for membership information. >> Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. >> > > > -- > > > > Dirk Neumann > > Tel: 089 / 8107-111 > Fax: 089 / 8107-300 > neumann(a)snsb.de > > Postanschrift: > > Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns > Zoologische Staatssammlung M?nchen > Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Storage > M?nchhausenstr. 21 > 81247 M?nchen > > Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung: > http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ > > --------- > > Dirk Neumann > > Tel: +49-89-8107-111 > Fax: +49-89-8107-300 > neumann(a)snsb.de > > postal address: > > Bavarian Natural History Collections > The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology > Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage > Muenchhausenstr. 21 > 81247 Munich (Germany) > > Visit our section at: > http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. 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So many! topics of interest at the intersection of bio and geo collections and biodiversity data standards and science you'll see include: - The Digital Extended Specimen - Maintaining the taxonomic backbone (or connecting those who try) - Eat or be eaten: Don't miss out on interaction data - Mushrooming, community science, and sharing biodiversity data - Assuring trust on community science biodiversity platforms: Policies and approaches - Specimen data mobilization, from the DiSSCo point-of-view - Machine learning and biodiversity image analysis - e-floras, e-faunas, and species pages - API linking, discovering, uses for, hands-on events (hackathon, unconference) - Connecting biodiversity data with knowledge graphs - Controlled vocabularies in multiple languages - Curating interdisciplinary data in the biodiversity research community - Challenges of sharing ecological data - BHL?s strategic plan and review new tools and advances - Community building for our shared data future - Discovering known biodiversity: Digital accessible knowledge Hope to see your abstracts! 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The deadline to apply is August 15. Best wishes, Adiel --------------------------------- *Dr. Adiel A. Klompmaker* *Curator of Paleontology* Department of Museum Research and Collections & Alabama Museum of Natural History The University of Alabama 313 Mary Harmon Bryant Hall Box 870340 Tuscaloosa, Alabama 35487 Phone: 205-348-7425 Email | UA Website | Twitter | Google Scholar ---------------------------------- ALMNH Paleontology Collection *Associate Editor, PALAIOS * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Hello everyone, We have a professor who is interested in gill rakers in fish, and presented me with a question that I was hoping I could get everyone's opinion on. If you freeze a fish and then thaw it to fix in formalin -> storage in ETOH, will the cartilage structures in the fish be compromised by the freezing process? I know that freezing can distort the soft tissue, but am not sure how the process may affect the cartilage structures. Any thoughts and advice are greatly appreciated. Thank you, Beth Wommack -- Elizabeth Wommack, PhD Curator and Collections Manager of Vertebrates University of Wyoming Museum of Vertebrates Berry Biodiversity Conservation Center University of Wyoming, Laramie Laramie, WY 82071 ewommack@ uwyo.edu www.uwymv.org UWYMV Collection Use Policy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tonya.Haff at csiro.au Tue Jun 22 21:22:43 2021 From: Tonya.Haff at csiro.au (Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace)) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 01:22:43 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] FW: use of air to bubble through ethanol to mix solutions. In-Reply-To: <0b16fb8b565b4f018f37537a7c052602@lumc.nl> References: <0b16fb8b565b4f018f37537a7c052602@lumc.nl> Message-ID: Dear all, Thank you so much for your replies, I very much appreciate it. Sounds like the consensus is mix with a paddle or stirring rod and don't worry about using a bubbler with either air or N2, and let the mixture stand for 2 days. I thought I had read that 24 hours was sufficient? At any rate, two days is ok if we decant into larger containers (right now I decant into 20L containers, which can empty fairly quickly!). I use good quality tap water, not deionised water, to avoid increased acidification. I wish that we could use glass with ground glass tops for everything, but unfortunately that's not an option for us. In fact in Australia any quality glass jars at all are a challenge at the moment. At least all of our smaller specimens (2L jars and under) are in glass, but it does makes me worry a little bit about our larger specimen, which are in HDPE drums. It's a challenge to get fluid preservation perfect! Thanks so much for your feedback! Tonya From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of A.J.van_Dam at lumc.nl Sent: Tuesday, 22 June 2021 7:03 PM To: neumann at snsb.de; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] FW: use of air to bubble through ethanol to mix solutions. Dear Tonya, When a fluid like ethanol is stored in containers (partly) made of breathable materials (such as PE and PP) the fluid will take up an amount of CO2 and O2 from the surrounding atmosphere until the solubility equilibrium has been reached. These gasses will be used up by the degradation reactions (e.g. acidification) that take place inside the specimen jar creating new demand to maintain the solubility equilibrium. The best way of slowing down the inevitable acidification of your fluid is creating a barrier for these gasses to enter the jar by using low-permeable container materials for these gasses. Glass jars with glass lids and a low oxygen permeable sealant are still the best way to severely slow down these degradation processes. To my opinion, flushing ethanol with nitrogen does not have much effect on preventing acidification in the long-term when subsequently this mix is poured into containers that are not air-tight or are made of materials that are highly permeable for air. Kind regards, Dries -- Andries J. van Dam | curator-conservator Anatomical Museum | Directorate of education | Leiden University Medical Center | Building 3 (V3-32) P.O.Box 9600 | 2300 RC Leiden | The Netherlands Visiting address: Hippocratespad 21 | Tel: +31 (0)71 52 68356 | E-mail: A.J.van_Dam at lumc.nl Website: https://www.lumc.nl/onderwijs/over-ons/anatomisch-museum/?setlanguage=English&setcountry=en Scientific associate | Natural History Museum London | http://www.nhm.ac.uk From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: dinsdag 22 juni 2021 9:12 To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] FW: use of air to bubble through ethanol to mix solutions. Good afternoon Tonya, interesting question - do you use pure ethanol, or denatured ethanol, and if the latter, which denaturant is added? If you use the bubbler to aerate the ethanol to fix it, my first thought would not be the oxygen (assuming that you do not use pure, bottled oxygen for mixing), but the carbon dioxide, which surely leads to an acidification of the remaining water fraction, even more so, if distilled or bi-distilled water is used to dilute the ethanol, because distilled water has a very high affinity for carbon dioxide. Even though a bicarbonate-puffer system establishes, the pH is rather at the low end and usually around pH 4-5 in distilled water, so rather acidic. This surely is different in tap-water (assuming it is of certified quality without any additives such as chlorine), especially if it is calcareous. But still, when mixing both fluids, you shift the dissolving equilibrium, and what you can spot is a lot of fine air bubbles that escape from the mixture (carrying capacity for the physically dissolved gases shifted), and (usually) a fine white precipitation (calcium carbonate). Thus the carbon dioxide likely has more effect than the oxygen on the acidity of the aqueous fraction of the mixture. Next step: secondary reactions like oxidation. While ethanol is a rather stable molecule, less stable molecules would be attacked and oxidised first, because their unsaturated polar bindings have the higher affinity to attract electrons. For example, residual formaldehyde escaping from specimens might be oxidised to formic acid. Same applies to highly polar denaturants like ketones, which are more susceptible to be oxidised. The more such molecules are present and oxidised, the less the ethanol will. And you less likely can prevent this by mixing the ethanol with N2, because stirring the mixture will also allow other gases to dissolve (unless this is done in a hermetically closed atmosphere). And even if, upon initial filling or topping, the fluid will have a lot of contact with the surrounding air and will be stirred up, and carbon dioxide and other gases will dissolve etc. ... We you use a big stick to stir the fluids when mixing the ethanol in a drum, we usually mix 60 litres and let it rest for two days until we use it. We have two of these drums, which is sufficiently enough for our daily work, and we are careful when filling jars to avoid any air bubbles, i.e. we fill in the ethanol slowly. Hope this helps, Dirk Am 22.06.2021 um 05:12 schrieb Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace): Hello all, We typically use a fish bubbler to mix ETOH and water together when we mix up 70% ETOH. We are in the stages of planning a new building, and I recently got the below feedback about doing this - the dangerous goods consultant says that this has the risk of acidifying the solution, and that using N2 to mix the solution might be a better idea. Do any of you have thoughts on this? If so, I would really appreciate hearing them! Cheers, Tonya Email: As per our conversation last week, you mentioned that CSIRO plan on using air to bubble through their ethanol solutions to help mix the solution. Can you please confirm if this is correct with CSIRO? Normally when you mix/bubble air through ethanol solutions, you may run the risk of oxidation of the ethanol, although this reaction is very slow, you may generate some acetylaldehyde and eventually ethanoic acid. Can you confirm with CSIRO if using nitrogen is better? This would still help mix the solutions and would have the added benefit of degassing the ethanol by removing dissolved oxygen from the solution. This long term, would help minimise the risk of oxidation of the ethanol and generation of acetylaldehyde and eventually ethanoic acid. 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Yours, Vicen Ms Vicen Carri? ACR Geological Conservator/ Preparator National Museums Scotland National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA +44 (0) 131 247 4254 Mobile number +44 07931727386 v.carrio at nms.ac.uk http://www.nms.ac.uk https://twitter.com/NatSciNMS [cid:image001.png at 01D768DF.DBF65A70] Note: My normal working days are Mondays to Thursdays From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Marta P?rez Sent: 23 June 2021 15:26 To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Storage methods for micromammal tooth and bones Dear colleagues, I would like to ask you about storage methods for micromammal tooth and bones. We have all our paleontological colection fixed to to a greasy, sticky putty that looks like a kind of "blu-tack" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu_Tack). Any preventive conservation approved solutions will be welcome! All the best, Marta P?rez Azc?rate Laboratori de Conservaci? Preventiva i Restauraci? Grop Nat-Museu de Ci?ncies Naturals de Barcelona Laboratori de Natura Pg Picasso s/n 08003 Barcelona Tel. 932562209 marta.perez.cr at gmail.com https://museuciencies.cat/area-cientifica/serveis-cientifico-tecnics/laboratoris-tecnics/conservacio-preventiva-i-restauracio/ All our museums will reopen from Monday 26 April. This includes: National Museum of Scotland National Museum of Flight National Museum of Rural Life National War Museum Following Scottish Government guidelines, we have implemented specific measures at each of our sites to ensure that you have a safe and enjoyable visit. Please book a timed entry slot online in advance so that we can manage numbers and maintain physical distancing. ------------------------------ National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. 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Remember that stability is extremely important. * For study skins, we aim for 50% +/- 10%. That allows for limited seasonal drift for those of us who live in extreme climates. - your 45% set point falls within that, and should be ok. * For fluid (ETOH etc) collections, the ideal should be much dryer. 30% +/- 5%. Good Luck. Gretchen Anderson Gretchen Anderson Conservator Carnegie Museum of Natural History 5800 Baum Blvd. Pittsburgh, PA 15213 Andersong at CarnegieMNH.org (412)665-2607 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 9:14 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hello all, I am hoping that some of you can give me feedback on the relative humidity set point that is best for collection vaults with study skins, and for ETOH vaults. Right now we are planning on a 45% relative humidity in the study skin vaults, and 50% in the ETOH vault, but I wonder if 45% might be a bit dry for study skins? I would be grateful for any feedback! Cheers, Tonya --------------------------------------------------------- Dr Tonya Haff Collection Manager Australian National Wildlife Collection National Research Collections Australia, CSIRO Canberra, Australia Phone: (+61) 02 6242 1566 (office) (+61) 0419 569 109 (mobile) The information contained in this message and/or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That allows for limited seasonal drift for those of us who live in extreme climates. ? your 45% set point falls within that, and should be ok. * For fluid (ETOH etc) collections, the ideal should be much dryer. 30% +/- 5%. Good Luck. Gretchen Anderson Gretchen Anderson Conservator Carnegie Museum of Natural History 5800 Baum Blvd. Pittsburgh, PA 15213 Andersong at CarnegieMNH.org (412)665-2607 From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 9:14 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hello all, I am hoping that some of you can give me feedback on the relative humidity set point that is best for collection vaults with study skins, and for ETOH vaults. Right now we are planning on a 45% relative humidity in the study skin vaults, and 50% in the ETOH vault, but I wonder if 45% might be a bit dry for study skins? I would be grateful for any feedback! Cheers, Tonya --------------------------------------------------------- Dr Tonya Haff Collection Manager Australian National Wildlife Collection National Research Collections Australia, CSIRO Canberra, Australia Phone: (+61) 02 6242 1566 (office) (+61) 0419 569 109 (mobile) The information contained in this message and/or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From HawksC at si.edu Fri Jun 25 07:16:53 2021 From: HawksC at si.edu (Hawks, Catharine) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 11:16:53 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms In-Reply-To: <29092ed975cb48aea7039e0b17e8233b@loodusmuuseum.ee> References: <29092ed975cb48aea7039e0b17e8233b@loodusmuuseum.ee> Message-ID: Actually, one concern for alcohol collections is that given how poorly most jars seal, there is an appreciable quantity of alcohol vapor in the space. When the RH is below 40% it is easy to arc a spark just from static electricity, so somewhere above that usually recommended by our fire protection engineers. Cathy From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 7:11 AM To: Anderson, Gretchen ; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms External Email - Exercise Caution Hi! Why the fluid collections ideal is 30% +/- 5%? I though it would be good to keep it 50-60% for less evaporation. Best! Lennart From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Anderson, Gretchen Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:53 PM To: Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hi Tonya, There is some flexibility in this, depending on the relative humidity that you can safely maintain, both physically and financially. Remember that stability is extremely important. * For study skins, we aim for 50% +/- 10%. That allows for limited seasonal drift for those of us who live in extreme climates. - your 45% set point falls within that, and should be ok. * For fluid (ETOH etc) collections, the ideal should be much dryer. 30% +/- 5%. Good Luck. Gretchen Anderson Gretchen Anderson Conservator Carnegie Museum of Natural History 5800 Baum Blvd. Pittsburgh, PA 15213 Andersong at CarnegieMNH.org (412)665-2607 From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 9:14 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hello all, I am hoping that some of you can give me feedback on the relative humidity set point that is best for collection vaults with study skins, and for ETOH vaults. Right now we are planning on a 45% relative humidity in the study skin vaults, and 50% in the ETOH vault, but I wonder if 45% might be a bit dry for study skins? I would be grateful for any feedback! Cheers, Tonya --------------------------------------------------------- Dr Tonya Haff Collection Manager Australian National Wildlife Collection National Research Collections Australia, CSIRO Canberra, Australia Phone: (+61) 02 6242 1566 (office) (+61) 0419 569 109 (mobile) The information contained in this message and/or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee Fri Jun 25 07:25:43 2021 From: Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee (Lennart Lennuk) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 11:25:43 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms In-Reply-To: References: <29092ed975cb48aea7039e0b17e8233b@loodusmuuseum.ee> Message-ID: <24a4174f791f4a35a904063f2bee8c46@loodusmuuseum.ee> Hi! Understandable. If the possibility for arc spark has been removed and the room has good ventilation, is it then better to keep the humidity above 50%? Best! Lennart From: Hawks, Catharine [mailto:HawksC at si.edu] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 2:17 PM To: Lennart Lennuk ; Anderson, Gretchen ; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Actually, one concern for alcohol collections is that given how poorly most jars seal, there is an appreciable quantity of alcohol vapor in the space. When the RH is below 40% it is easy to arc a spark just from static electricity, so somewhere above that usually recommended by our fire protection engineers. Cathy From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 7:11 AM To: Anderson, Gretchen >; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms External Email - Exercise Caution Hi! Why the fluid collections ideal is 30% +/- 5%? I though it would be good to keep it 50-60% for less evaporation. Best! Lennart From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Anderson, Gretchen Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:53 PM To: Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hi Tonya, There is some flexibility in this, depending on the relative humidity that you can safely maintain, both physically and financially. Remember that stability is extremely important. * For study skins, we aim for 50% +/- 10%. That allows for limited seasonal drift for those of us who live in extreme climates. ? your 45% set point falls within that, and should be ok. * For fluid (ETOH etc) collections, the ideal should be much dryer. 30% +/- 5%. Good Luck. Gretchen Anderson Gretchen Anderson Conservator Carnegie Museum of Natural History 5800 Baum Blvd. Pittsburgh, PA 15213 Andersong at CarnegieMNH.org (412)665-2607 From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 9:14 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hello all, I am hoping that some of you can give me feedback on the relative humidity set point that is best for collection vaults with study skins, and for ETOH vaults. Right now we are planning on a 45% relative humidity in the study skin vaults, and 50% in the ETOH vault, but I wonder if 45% might be a bit dry for study skins? I would be grateful for any feedback! Cheers, Tonya --------------------------------------------------------- Dr Tonya Haff Collection Manager Australian National Wildlife Collection National Research Collections Australia, CSIRO Canberra, Australia Phone: (+61) 02 6242 1566 (office) (+61) 0419 569 109 (mobile) The information contained in this message and/or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From HawksC at si.edu Fri Jun 25 07:31:16 2021 From: HawksC at si.edu (Hawks, Catharine) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 11:31:16 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms In-Reply-To: <24a4174f791f4a35a904063f2bee8c46@loodusmuuseum.ee> References: <29092ed975cb48aea7039e0b17e8233b@loodusmuuseum.ee> <24a4174f791f4a35a904063f2bee8c46@loodusmuuseum.ee> Message-ID: I suspect that the decision would lie with whatever authority has jurisdiction in terms of fire safety for your museum. Cathy From: Lennart Lennuk Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 7:26 AM To: Hawks, Catharine ; Anderson, Gretchen ; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms External Email - Exercise Caution Hi! Understandable. If the possibility for arc spark has been removed and the room has good ventilation, is it then better to keep the humidity above 50%? Best! Lennart From: Hawks, Catharine [mailto:HawksC at si.edu] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 2:17 PM To: Lennart Lennuk >; Anderson, Gretchen >; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Actually, one concern for alcohol collections is that given how poorly most jars seal, there is an appreciable quantity of alcohol vapor in the space. When the RH is below 40% it is easy to arc a spark just from static electricity, so somewhere above that usually recommended by our fire protection engineers. Cathy From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 7:11 AM To: Anderson, Gretchen >; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms External Email - Exercise Caution Hi! Why the fluid collections ideal is 30% +/- 5%? I though it would be good to keep it 50-60% for less evaporation. Best! Lennart From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Anderson, Gretchen Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:53 PM To: Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hi Tonya, There is some flexibility in this, depending on the relative humidity that you can safely maintain, both physically and financially. Remember that stability is extremely important. * For study skins, we aim for 50% +/- 10%. That allows for limited seasonal drift for those of us who live in extreme climates. - your 45% set point falls within that, and should be ok. * For fluid (ETOH etc) collections, the ideal should be much dryer. 30% +/- 5%. Good Luck. Gretchen Anderson Gretchen Anderson Conservator Carnegie Museum of Natural History 5800 Baum Blvd. Pittsburgh, PA 15213 Andersong at CarnegieMNH.org (412)665-2607 From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 9:14 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hello all, I am hoping that some of you can give me feedback on the relative humidity set point that is best for collection vaults with study skins, and for ETOH vaults. Right now we are planning on a 45% relative humidity in the study skin vaults, and 50% in the ETOH vault, but I wonder if 45% might be a bit dry for study skins? I would be grateful for any feedback! Cheers, Tonya --------------------------------------------------------- Dr Tonya Haff Collection Manager Australian National Wildlife Collection National Research Collections Australia, CSIRO Canberra, Australia Phone: (+61) 02 6242 1566 (office) (+61) 0419 569 109 (mobile) The information contained in this message and/or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neumann at snsb.de Fri Jun 25 07:55:18 2021 From: neumann at snsb.de (Dirk Neumann) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 13:55:18 +0200 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms In-Reply-To: References: <29092ed975cb48aea7039e0b17e8233b@loodusmuuseum.ee> <24a4174f791f4a35a904063f2bee8c46@loodusmuuseum.ee> Message-ID: Hi Lennart, the recommended range is between 35-55% with daily fluctuations less than 5%. The closer you get to 60% (+/- 5% fluctuation), the closer you approach the threshold for potential mould outbreaks (depends on temperature and air circulation as well). A second think worth considering is metal corrosion, which is accelerated at a rH above 57% (and 18?C) as well. The increased evaporation you mention likely is promoted by high air exchange rates, which basically hinders that an stable equilibrium can establish (thus the high technical need to actively control the parameters and keeping them stable even at aggressive air exchange rates). With best wishes Dirk Am 25.06.2021 um 13:31 schrieb Hawks, Catharine: > > I suspect that the decision would lie with whatever authority has > jurisdiction in terms of fire safety for your museum. > > Cathy > > *From:* Lennart Lennuk > *Sent:* Friday, June 25, 2021 7:26 AM > *To:* Hawks, Catharine ; Anderson, Gretchen > ; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) > ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* RE: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms > > *External Email - Exercise Caution* > > Hi! > > Understandable. If the possibility for arc spark has been removed and > the room has good ventilation, is it then better to keep the humidity > above 50%? > > Best! > Lennart > > *From:*Hawks, Catharine [mailto:HawksC at si.edu ] > *Sent:* Friday, June 25, 2021 2:17 PM > *To:* Lennart Lennuk >; Anderson, Gretchen > >; Haff, > Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > *Subject:* RE: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms > > Actually, one concern for alcohol collections is that given how poorly > most jars seal, there is an appreciable quantity of alcohol vapor in > the space. When the RH is below 40% it is easy to arc a spark just > from static electricity, so somewhere above that usually recommended > by our fire protection engineers. > > Cathy > > *From:* Nhcoll-l > *On Behalf Of *Lennart Lennuk > *Sent:* Friday, June 25, 2021 7:11 AM > *To:* Anderson, Gretchen >; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) > >; > nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms > > *External Email - Exercise Caution* > > Hi! > > Why the fluid collections ideal is 30% +/- 5%? > > I though it would be good to keep it 50-60% for less evaporation. > > Best! > Lennart > > *From:*Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu > ] *On Behalf Of *Anderson, > Gretchen > *Sent:* Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:53 PM > *To:* Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms > > Hi Tonya, > > > There is some flexibility in this, depending on the relative humidity > that you can safely maintain, both physically and financially. > ?Remember that stability is extremely important. > > * For study skins, we aim for 50% +/- 10%.? That allows for limited > seasonal drift for those of us who live in extreme climates. ?? > your 45% set point falls within that, and should be ok. > * For fluid (ETOH etc) collections, the ideal should be much dryer. > 30% +/- 5%. > > > Good Luck. > Gretchen Anderson > > Gretchen Anderson > > Conservator > > Carnegie Museum of Natural History > > 5800 Baum Blvd. > > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > > Andersong at CarnegieMNH.org > > (412)665-2607 > > *From:* Nhcoll-l > *On Behalf Of *Haff, Tonya > (NCMI, Crace) > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 23, 2021 9:14 PM > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms > > Hello all, > > I am hoping that some of you can give me feedback on the relative > humidity set point that is best for collection vaults with study > skins, and for ETOH vaults. Right now we are planning on a 45% > relative humidity in the study skin vaults, and 50% in the ETOH vault, > but I wonder if 45% might be a bit dry for study skins? I would be > grateful for any feedback! > > Cheers, > > Tonya > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Dr Tonya Haff > > Collection Manager > > Australian National Wildlife Collection > > National Research Collections Australia, CSIRO > > Canberra, Australia > > Phone: (+61) 02 6242 1566 (office) > > (+61) 0419 569 109 (mobile) > > > > > The information contained in this message and/or attachments is > intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and > may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, > retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action > in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than > the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, > please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and > destroy any copies. 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Name: hdkoalkenpjplmlj.png Type: image/png Size: 23308 bytes Desc: not available URL: From A.J.van_Dam at lumc.nl Fri Jun 25 10:19:53 2021 From: A.J.van_Dam at lumc.nl (A.J.van_Dam at lumc.nl) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 14:19:53 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms In-Reply-To: References: <29092ed975cb48aea7039e0b17e8233b@loodusmuuseum.ee> <24a4174f791f4a35a904063f2bee8c46@loodusmuuseum.ee> , Message-ID: <18b9f43c9abb4ff3bee71594057c967a@lumc.nl> Dear Tonya, We store our fluid preserved collections between RH 40-60% not being much concerned about the RH fluctuations as long as they fall within this range. To my opinion, constant temperature is the most important climate condition for fluid preserved specimens. Even small fluctuations can already lead to pressure fluctuations inside the jar due to the different expansion rates between the fluid components and container materials, which can easily lead to failure of the seal and increased fluid loss. Changes in temperature might also have impact on the solubility equilibrium of the dissolved fats and minerals, which might lead to coagulation/precipitation at low temperatures. Therefore, we try to keep the temp. of our fluid collections as constant as possible within the range of 18-22 ?C. Our dry collections are stored between 16-22 ?C and RH 48-55% (max fluctuation: 3 units per day, 2 units per hour). This is the range advised by the Dutch Heritage Agency. It might well be that for antipodes other standards apply... ? Kind regards, Dries Andries J. van Dam | conservator Museum of Anatomy | Leiden University Medical Center | Building 3 (V3-32) P.O.Box 9600 | 2300 RC Leiden | The Netherlands Visiting address: Hippocratespad 21 | Tel: +31 (0)71 52 68356 | E-mail: A.J.van_Dam at lumc.nl Scientific associate | Natural History Museum London | http://www.nhm.ac.uk ________________________________ Van: Nhcoll-l namens Dirk Neumann Verzonden: vrijdag 25 juni 2021 13:55:18 Aan: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Onderwerp: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hi Lennart, the recommended range is between 35-55% with daily fluctuations less than 5%. The closer you get to 60% (+/- 5% fluctuation), the closer you approach the threshold for potential mould outbreaks (depends on temperature and air circulation as well). A second think worth considering is metal corrosion, which is accelerated at a rH above 57% (and 18?C) as well. The increased evaporation you mention likely is promoted by high air exchange rates, which basically hinders that an stable equilibrium can establish (thus the high technical need to actively control the parameters and keeping them stable even at aggressive air exchange rates). With best wishes Dirk Am 25.06.2021 um 13:31 schrieb Hawks, Catharine: I suspect that the decision would lie with whatever authority has jurisdiction in terms of fire safety for your museum. Cathy From: Lennart Lennuk Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 7:26 AM To: Hawks, Catharine ; Anderson, Gretchen ; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms External Email - Exercise Caution Hi! Understandable. If the possibility for arc spark has been removed and the room has good ventilation, is it then better to keep the humidity above 50%? Best! Lennart From: Hawks, Catharine [mailto:HawksC at si.edu] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 2:17 PM To: Lennart Lennuk >; Anderson, Gretchen >; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Actually, one concern for alcohol collections is that given how poorly most jars seal, there is an appreciable quantity of alcohol vapor in the space. When the RH is below 40% it is easy to arc a spark just from static electricity, so somewhere above that usually recommended by our fire protection engineers. Cathy From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 7:11 AM To: Anderson, Gretchen >; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms External Email - Exercise Caution Hi! Why the fluid collections ideal is 30% +/- 5%? I though it would be good to keep it 50-60% for less evaporation. Best! Lennart From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Anderson, Gretchen Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:53 PM To: Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hi Tonya, There is some flexibility in this, depending on the relative humidity that you can safely maintain, both physically and financially. Remember that stability is extremely important. * For study skins, we aim for 50% +/- 10%. That allows for limited seasonal drift for those of us who live in extreme climates. ? your 45% set point falls within that, and should be ok. * For fluid (ETOH etc) collections, the ideal should be much dryer. 30% +/- 5%. Good Luck. Gretchen Anderson Gretchen Anderson Conservator Carnegie Museum of Natural History 5800 Baum Blvd. Pittsburgh, PA 15213 Andersong at CarnegieMNH.org (412)665-2607 From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 9:14 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hello all, I am hoping that some of you can give me feedback on the relative humidity set point that is best for collection vaults with study skins, and for ETOH vaults. Right now we are planning on a 45% relative humidity in the study skin vaults, and 50% in the ETOH vault, but I wonder if 45% might be a bit dry for study skins? I would be grateful for any feedback! Cheers, Tonya --------------------------------------------------------- Dr Tonya Haff Collection Manager Australian National Wildlife Collection National Research Collections Australia, CSIRO Canberra, Australia Phone: (+61) 02 6242 1566 (office) (+61) 0419 569 109 (mobile) The information contained in this message and/or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. 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Name: hdkoalkenpjplmlj.png Type: image/png Size: 23308 bytes Desc: hdkoalkenpjplmlj.png URL: From prc44 at drexel.edu Fri Jun 25 10:32:57 2021 From: prc44 at drexel.edu (Callomon,Paul) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 14:32:57 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms In-Reply-To: <18b9f43c9abb4ff3bee71594057c967a@lumc.nl> References: <29092ed975cb48aea7039e0b17e8233b@loodusmuuseum.ee> <24a4174f791f4a35a904063f2bee8c46@loodusmuuseum.ee> , <18b9f43c9abb4ff3bee71594057c967a@lumc.nl> Message-ID: In our experience a recurring problem in wet collection environments is the combination of ambient high humidity and lower-than-ambient temperature. The dew point ? the temperature at which water vapor condenses ? is a function of both factors; with ambient humidity but below-ambient temperatures, such as in a room that has air cooling but no humidity control, condensation happens when it would not if the temperature was also ambient. Water will condense onto the coldest surface first, which tends to be the glass bottle surface. Room dehumidifiers exploit this effect by cooling a coil with refrigerant gas to present an even colder surface on which condensation will thus happen first. Purpose-built fluid storage rooms often have an air drier that removes vapor from the incoming air before it is cooled, thus providing both humidity and temperature control. Many years ago we constructed an entire building thus equipped, but the cost of running and maintaining the driers got them switched off, with disastrous consequences that have taken decades to remediate. The entire building quickly became a mold farm and rust was rampant even in recently-installed racking. Because the building had been designed as a sealed system, there were no windows to open to at least mitigate the worst effects. If you have high ambient humidity that cannot be lowered, therefore, it might be safest not to cool the room much. This is suboptimal in conservation terms, but the consequences of lowering the dew point are rust, mold and other undesirable results of liquid condensation running down your jars and over your racks. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From couteaufin at btinternet.com Fri Jun 25 10:35:22 2021 From: couteaufin at btinternet.com (Simon Moore) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 15:35:22 +0100 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms In-Reply-To: <18b9f43c9abb4ff3bee71594057c967a@lumc.nl> References: <29092ed975cb48aea7039e0b17e8233b@loodusmuuseum.ee> <24a4174f791f4a35a904063f2bee8c46@loodusmuuseum.ee> <18b9f43c9abb4ff3bee71594057c967a@lumc.nl> Message-ID: When I used to work at the NHM, London (mists of time!), we used to keep RH level above 50%, usually 55-60% maximum. Too high and you get mouldy labels if they?re on the jar exterior (they shouldn?t be) and too low exacerbates evaporation and possible fire risk (sparking). Although I did try a controlled experiment one really hot day to see if this was so - nothing. Still, it keeps to the Health & Safety regulations. With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian, www.natural-history-conservation.com > On 25 Jun 2021, at 15:19, wrote: > > Dear Tonya, > > We store our fluid preserved collections between RH 40-60% not being much concerned about the RH fluctuations as long as they fall within this range. > > To my opinion, constant temperature is the most important climate condition for fluid preserved specimens. Even small fluctuations can already lead to pressure fluctuations inside the jar due to the different expansion rates between the fluid components and container materials, which can easily lead to failure of the seal and increased fluid loss. Changes in temperature might also have impact on the solubility equilibrium of the dissolved fats and minerals, which might lead to coagulation/precipitation at low temperatures. Therefore, we try to keep the temp. of our fluid collections as constant as possible within the range of 18-22 ?C. > > Our dry collections are stored between 16-22 ?C and RH 48-55% (max fluctuation: 3 units per day, 2 units per hour). This is the range advised by the Dutch Heritage Agency. > > It might well be that for antipodes other standards apply... ? > > Kind regards, > > Dries > > Andries J. van Dam | conservator > > Museum of Anatomy | Leiden University Medical Center | Building 3 (V3-32) > P.O.Box 9600 | 2300 RC Leiden | The Netherlands > Visiting address: Hippocratespad 21 | Tel: +31 (0)71 52 68356 | E-mail: A.J.van_Dam at lumc.nl > > Scientific associate | Natural History Museum London | http://www.nhm.ac.uk > Van: Nhcoll-l namens Dirk Neumann > Verzonden: vrijdag 25 juni 2021 13:55:18 > Aan: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Onderwerp: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms > > Hi Lennart, > > the recommended range is between 35-55% with daily fluctuations less than 5%. The closer you get to 60% (+/- 5% fluctuation), the closer you approach the threshold for potential mould outbreaks (depends on temperature and air circulation as well). A second think worth considering is metal corrosion, which is accelerated at a rH above 57% (and 18?C) as well. > > The increased evaporation you mention likely is promoted by high air exchange rates, which basically hinders that an stable equilibrium can establish (thus the high technical need to actively control the parameters and keeping them stable even at aggressive air exchange rates). > > With best wishes > Dirk > > > Am 25.06.2021 um 13:31 schrieb Hawks, Catharine: >> I suspect that the decision would lie with whatever authority has jurisdiction in terms of fire safety for your museum. >> >> Cathy >> >> From: Lennart Lennuk >> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 7:26 AM >> To: Hawks, Catharine ; Anderson, Gretchen ; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms >> >> External Email - Exercise Caution >> Hi! >> >> Understandable. If the possibility for arc spark has been removed and the room has good ventilation, is it then better to keep the humidity above 50%? >> >> Best! >> Lennart >> >> From: Hawks, Catharine [mailto:HawksC at si.edu] >> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 2:17 PM >> To: Lennart Lennuk ; Anderson, Gretchen ; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms >> >> Actually, one concern for alcohol collections is that given how poorly most jars seal, there is an appreciable quantity of alcohol vapor in the space. When the RH is below 40% it is easy to arc a spark just from static electricity, so somewhere above that usually recommended by our fire protection engineers. >> >> Cathy >> >> From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk >> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 7:11 AM >> To: Anderson, Gretchen ; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms >> >> External Email - Exercise Caution >> Hi! >> >> Why the fluid collections ideal is 30% +/- 5%? >> I though it would be good to keep it 50-60% for less evaporation. >> >> Best! >> Lennart >> >> From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Anderson, Gretchen >> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:53 PM >> To: Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms >> >> Hi Tonya, >> >> There is some flexibility in this, depending on the relative humidity that you can safely maintain, both physically and financially. Remember that stability is extremely important. >> ? For study skins, we aim for 50% +/- 10%. That allows for limited seasonal drift for those of us who live in extreme climates. ? your 45% set point falls within that, and should be ok. >> ? For fluid (ETOH etc) collections, the ideal should be much dryer. 30% +/- 5%. >> >> Good Luck. >> Gretchen Anderson >> >> Gretchen Anderson >> Conservator >> Carnegie Museum of Natural History >> 5800 Baum Blvd. >> Pittsburgh, PA 15213 >> Andersong at CarnegieMNH.org >> (412)665-2607 >> >> >> From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 9:14 PM >> To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms >> >> Hello all, >> >> I am hoping that some of you can give me feedback on the relative humidity set point that is best for collection vaults with study skins, and for ETOH vaults. Right now we are planning on a 45% relative humidity in the study skin vaults, and 50% in the ETOH vault, but I wonder if 45% might be a bit dry for study skins? I would be grateful for any feedback! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tonya >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> Dr Tonya Haff >> Collection Manager >> Australian National Wildlife Collection >> National Research Collections Australia, CSIRO >> Canberra, Australia >> Phone: (+61) 02 6242 1566 (office) >> (+61) 0419 569 109 (mobile) >> >> >> >> >> The information contained in this message and/or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nhcoll-l mailing list >> >> Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of >> Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose >> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of >> natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to >> society. See >> http://www.spnhc.org >> for membership information. >> Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. >> > > -- > > > Dirk Neumann > > Tel: 089 / 8107-111 > Fax: 089 / 8107-300 > neumann(a)snsb.de > > Postanschrift: > > Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns > Zoologische Staatssammlung M?nchen > Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Storage > M?nchhausenstr. 21 > 81247 M?nchen > > Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung: > http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ > > --------- > > Dirk Neumann > > Tel: +49-89-8107-111 > Fax: +49-89-8107-300 > neumann(a)snsb.de > > postal address: > > Bavarian Natural History Collections > The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology > Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage > Muenchhausenstr. 21 > 81247 Munich (Germany) > > Visit our section at: > http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. From neumann at snsb.de Fri Jun 25 10:40:50 2021 From: neumann at snsb.de (Dirk Neumann) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 16:40:50 +0200 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms In-Reply-To: References: <29092ed975cb48aea7039e0b17e8233b@loodusmuuseum.ee> <24a4174f791f4a35a904063f2bee8c46@loodusmuuseum.ee> <18b9f43c9abb4ff3bee71594057c967a@lumc.nl> Message-ID: seconding Paul ... could also be cold outer walls, e.g., in subsurface buildings ... And rust (metal corrosion) could also affect dry collections (e.g. rusting/corrosion of historic insect pins) All the best Dirk Am 25.06.2021 um 16:32 schrieb Callomon,Paul: > > In our experience a recurring problem in wet collection environments > is the combination of ambient high humidity and lower-than-ambient > temperature. The dew point ? the temperature at which water vapor > condenses ? is a function of both factors; with ambient humidity but > below-ambient temperatures, such as in a room that has air cooling but > no humidity control, condensation happens when it would not if the > temperature was also ambient. > > Water will condense onto the coldest surface first, which tends to be > the glass bottle surface. Room dehumidifiers exploit this effect by > cooling a coil with refrigerant gas to present an even colder surface > on which condensation will thus happen first. Purpose-built fluid > storage rooms often have an air drier that removes vapor from the > incoming air before it is cooled, thus providing both humidity and > temperature control. > > Many years ago we constructed an entire building thus equipped, but > the cost of running and maintaining the driers got them switched off, > with disastrous consequences that have taken decades to remediate. The > entire building quickly became a mold farm and rust was rampant even > in recently-installed racking. Because the building had been designed > as a sealed system, there were no windows to open to at least mitigate > the worst effects. > > If you have high ambient humidity that cannot be lowered, therefore, > it might be safest not to cool the room much. This is suboptimal in > conservation terms, but the consequences of lowering the dew point are > rust, mold and other undesirable results of liquid condensation > running down your jars and over your racks. > > Paul Callomon > > Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates// > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University*** > > 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA > /prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax > 215-299-1170/ > -- Dirk Neumann Tel: 089 / 8107-111 Fax: 089 / 8107-300 neumann(a)snsb.de Postanschrift: Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns Zoologische Staatssammlung M?nchen Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Storage M?nchhausenstr. 21 81247 M?nchen Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung: http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ --------- Dirk Neumann Tel: +49-89-8107-111 Fax: +49-89-8107-300 neumann(a)snsb.de postal address: Bavarian Natural History Collections The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage Muenchhausenstr. 21 81247 Munich (Germany) Visit our section at: http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My experience with other volatiles, such as gasoline, is that spark ignition is unlikely once even a moderate amount of dissipation in air has occurred, but also that such vapors can create "trails" in still, dense air (linking, for example, the pouring point with the spot at which the container was put down and capped). Paul Callomon MSc Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neumann at snsb.de Fri Jun 25 11:17:45 2021 From: neumann at snsb.de (Dirk Neumann) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 17:17:45 +0200 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms, sparks, ignition and fire In-Reply-To: References: <29092ed975cb48aea7039e0b17e8233b@loodusmuuseum.ee> <24a4174f791f4a35a904063f2bee8c46@loodusmuuseum.ee> <18b9f43c9abb4ff3bee71594057c967a@lumc.nl> Message-ID: <8629bbb2-8902-f705-b072-86c4065924f8@snsb.de> We had a massive electric arc (2m!) sparking off a bad neon-light socket in the fish collection ... it was very bright for a moment, and bitch dark immediately thereafter, because the fuse went off. No fire. And this was not a small electrostatic spark, but more of the category /AMAZING/. Before the renovation of our climate control system I was asked for advice during the planning (fire rating of the storage rooms). To create a combustible, saturated ethanol atmosphere, it would have been required to knock more than 300 jars off the shelves. And even then, because of the 2-time-fold air exchange rate per hour, it would have been even more unlikely that a spark could ignite this. Am 25.06.2021 um 16:58 schrieb Callomon,Paul: > > I?d be interested to know if there are any published studies of the > spark ignition of ethanol vapors ? perhaps others would too, so if you > know of any - chime in! My experience with other volatiles, such as > gasoline, is that spark ignition is unlikely once even a moderate > amount of dissipation in air has occurred, but also that such vapors > can create ?trails? in still, dense air (linking, for example, the > pouring point with the spot at which the container was put down and > capped). > > *Paul Callomon MSc* > /Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia*** > > 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA > /callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax > 215-299-1170/ > -- Dirk Neumann Tel: 089 / 8107-111 Fax: 089 / 8107-300 neumann(a)snsb.de Postanschrift: Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns Zoologische Staatssammlung M?nchen Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Storage M?nchhausenstr. 21 81247 M?nchen Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung: http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ --------- Dirk Neumann Tel: +49-89-8107-111 Fax: +49-89-8107-300 neumann(a)snsb.de postal address: Bavarian Natural History Collections The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage Muenchhausenstr. 21 81247 Munich (Germany) Visit our section at: http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alcohol flash points are carefully calculated, of course, but the application of flash point to storage is theoretical, e.g., sparking from overhead lights is unlikely to trigger a fire in most museum storage situations because ethanol fumes dissipate quickly and accumulate at floor level. It would take a massive leak or spill in most situations to create a fire or explosion hazard (except for below-grade storage). That said, 70% ETOH ignites easily and burns very hot, so we must be cautious in our storage arrangements and eliminate all sources of ignition that are practical to eliminate. For example, it makes sense to eliminate wall sockets so no electrical equipment can be plugged in inside a fluid storage facility, but requiring spark-proof light fixtures is probably overkill for above grade storage. As for storage relative humidity, I agree with what others have said about temperature and (more critically) stability and dew point. You need to be able to reduce temperature and RH fluctuations as much as practical. The effect of RH on evaporation depends, in large part, on what sort of seals your containers have (hence you should emphasize reducing leakage from individual containers). In general, avoid RH close to 60% or higher because that means only a small increase will get you into the mold growth range. The free dew point calculator available from IPI is extraordinarily useful for planning storage temperature and humidity for any museum collection: http://www.dpcalc.org/ --John John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica *and* Associate Curator of Collections Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery Penn State University *and* Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 10:58 AM Callomon,Paul wrote: > I?d be interested to know if there are any published studies of the spark > ignition of ethanol vapors ? perhaps others would too, so if you know of > any - chime in! My experience with other volatiles, such as gasoline, is > that spark ignition is unlikely once even a moderate amount of dissipation > in air has occurred, but also that such vapors can create ?trails? in > still, dense air (linking, for example, the pouring point with the spot at > which the container was put down and capped). > > > > *Paul Callomon MSc* > *Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates* > ------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia* > > 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA > *callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* > > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AndersonG at CarnegieMNH.Org Fri Jun 25 14:45:26 2021 From: AndersonG at CarnegieMNH.Org (Anderson, Gretchen) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 18:45:26 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms In-Reply-To: References: <29092ed975cb48aea7039e0b17e8233b@loodusmuuseum.ee> Message-ID: My apologies ... the information I was looking at was a typo - 50% +/- 10% should be fine, as confirmed by others on this thread. Gretchen From: Hawks, Catharine Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 7:17 AM To: Lennart Lennuk ; Anderson, Gretchen ; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Actually, one concern for alcohol collections is that given how poorly most jars seal, there is an appreciable quantity of alcohol vapor in the space. When the RH is below 40% it is easy to arc a spark just from static electricity, so somewhere above that usually recommended by our fire protection engineers. Cathy From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 7:11 AM To: Anderson, Gretchen >; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms External Email - Exercise Caution Hi! Why the fluid collections ideal is 30% +/- 5%? I though it would be good to keep it 50-60% for less evaporation. Best! Lennart From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Anderson, Gretchen Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:53 PM To: Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hi Tonya, There is some flexibility in this, depending on the relative humidity that you can safely maintain, both physically and financially. Remember that stability is extremely important. * For study skins, we aim for 50% +/- 10%. That allows for limited seasonal drift for those of us who live in extreme climates. - your 45% set point falls within that, and should be ok. * For fluid (ETOH etc) collections, the ideal should be much dryer. 30% +/- 5%. Good Luck. Gretchen Anderson Gretchen Anderson Conservator Carnegie Museum of Natural History 5800 Baum Blvd. Pittsburgh, PA 15213 Andersong at CarnegieMNH.org (412)665-2607 From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 9:14 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hello all, I am hoping that some of you can give me feedback on the relative humidity set point that is best for collection vaults with study skins, and for ETOH vaults. Right now we are planning on a 45% relative humidity in the study skin vaults, and 50% in the ETOH vault, but I wonder if 45% might be a bit dry for study skins? 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URL: From Tonya.Haff at csiro.au Sat Jun 26 19:26:16 2021 From: Tonya.Haff at csiro.au (Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace)) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 23:26:16 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms In-Reply-To: References: <29092ed975cb48aea7039e0b17e8233b@loodusmuuseum.ee> <24a4174f791f4a35a904063f2bee8c46@loodusmuuseum.ee> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for chiming in on this! As usual it's a very interesting discussion, and I've learned a lot. We will stick at our original aim of 18C with 50% humidity. I take the point about never turning it off! Cheers, Tonya From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: Friday, 25 June 2021 9:55 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hi Lennart, the recommended range is between 35-55% with daily fluctuations less than 5%. The closer you get to 60% (+/- 5% fluctuation), the closer you approach the threshold for potential mould outbreaks (depends on temperature and air circulation as well). A second think worth considering is metal corrosion, which is accelerated at a rH above 57% (and 18?C) as well. The increased evaporation you mention likely is promoted by high air exchange rates, which basically hinders that an stable equilibrium can establish (thus the high technical need to actively control the parameters and keeping them stable even at aggressive air exchange rates). With best wishes Dirk Am 25.06.2021 um 13:31 schrieb Hawks, Catharine: I suspect that the decision would lie with whatever authority has jurisdiction in terms of fire safety for your museum. Cathy From: Lennart Lennuk Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 7:26 AM To: Hawks, Catharine ; Anderson, Gretchen ; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms External Email - Exercise Caution Hi! Understandable. If the possibility for arc spark has been removed and the room has good ventilation, is it then better to keep the humidity above 50%? Best! Lennart From: Hawks, Catharine [mailto:HawksC at si.edu] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 2:17 PM To: Lennart Lennuk >; Anderson, Gretchen >; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Actually, one concern for alcohol collections is that given how poorly most jars seal, there is an appreciable quantity of alcohol vapor in the space. When the RH is below 40% it is easy to arc a spark just from static electricity, so somewhere above that usually recommended by our fire protection engineers. Cathy From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 7:11 AM To: Anderson, Gretchen >; Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms External Email - Exercise Caution Hi! Why the fluid collections ideal is 30% +/- 5%? I though it would be good to keep it 50-60% for less evaporation. Best! Lennart From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Anderson, Gretchen Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:53 PM To: Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hi Tonya, There is some flexibility in this, depending on the relative humidity that you can safely maintain, both physically and financially. Remember that stability is extremely important. 1. For study skins, we aim for 50% +/- 10%. That allows for limited seasonal drift for those of us who live in extreme climates. - your 45% set point falls within that, and should be ok. 2. For fluid (ETOH etc) collections, the ideal should be much dryer. 30% +/- 5%. Good Luck. Gretchen Anderson Gretchen Anderson Conservator Carnegie Museum of Natural History 5800 Baum Blvd. Pittsburgh, PA 15213 Andersong at CarnegieMNH.org (412)665-2607 From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 9:14 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Humidity in collection rooms Hello all, I am hoping that some of you can give me feedback on the relative humidity set point that is best for collection vaults with study skins, and for ETOH vaults. Right now we are planning on a 45% relative humidity in the study skin vaults, and 50% in the ETOH vault, but I wonder if 45% might be a bit dry for study skins? I would be grateful for any feedback! Cheers, Tonya --------------------------------------------------------- Dr Tonya Haff Collection Manager Australian National Wildlife Collection National Research Collections Australia, CSIRO Canberra, Australia Phone: (+61) 02 6242 1566 (office) (+61) 0419 569 109 (mobile) The information contained in this message and/or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. 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Hope this helps Dirk Am 28.06.2021 um 17:40 schrieb Lennart Lennuk: > > Hi! > > How do you collect reptiles and amphibians in your institutions? > > Have you got any specific research goal or are you collecting to > gather temporal and spatial data for further research questions. Also > it would be helpful information how you euthanize them and in what > circumstances this is ethical. > > Best regards > > Lennart Lennuk > > Head of collections > > Estonian Museum of Natural History > > (+372) 6603404, 56569916 > > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- Dirk Neumann Tel: 089 / 8107-111 Fax: 089 / 8107-300 neumann(a)snsb.de Postanschrift: Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns Zoologische Staatssammlung M?nchen Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Storage M?nchhausenstr. 21 81247 M?nchen Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung: http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ --------- Dirk Neumann Tel: +49-89-8107-111 Fax: +49-89-8107-300 neumann(a)snsb.de postal address: Bavarian Natural History Collections The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage Muenchhausenstr. 21 81247 Munich (Germany) Visit our section at: http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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These both vary greatly by state/country and institution, so sometimes the methods change a bit based on where you are doing the collecting and/or the research objectives. This is a good general resource on IACUC: https://www.aalas.org/iacuc In regards to why we herpetologists collect, it is for every reason you mentioned and more, so there isn't a short easy answer there. ? Jessa ___________________________________________________ Jessa Watters, M.S. Collection Manager, Herpetology Sam Noble Museum 2401 Chautauqua Ave. Norman, OK 73072 jwatters at ou.edu https://jessawatters.weebly.com/ 405-325-7771 (phone) 405-325-7699 (fax) https://samnoblemuseum.ou.edu/collections-and-research/herpetology/ pronouns: she, her, hers ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Dirk Neumann Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 1:13 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] collecting the amphibians and reptiles Hi Lennart, I may refer you to the book of the dear colleague John E Simmons: https://www.amazon.com/Herpetological-Collecting-Collections-Management-3rd/dp/0916984907 Even though the stuff John refers to in his book has more legs and arms the fish I used to work with should have, I found this book extraordinary useful for my work and learned a lot from it. Hope this helps Dirk Am 28.06.2021 um 17:40 schrieb Lennart Lennuk: Hi! How do you collect reptiles and amphibians in your institutions? Have you got any specific research goal or are you collecting to gather temporal and spatial data for further research questions. Also it would be helpful information how you euthanize them and in what circumstances this is ethical. Best regards Lennart Lennuk Head of collections Estonian Museum of Natural History (+372) 6603404, 56569916 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. 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URL: From prc44 at drexel.edu Tue Jun 29 09:00:03 2021 From: prc44 at drexel.edu (Callomon,Paul) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 13:00:03 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Looking for stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There?s no better example of a disastrous expedition than the hilarious ? and largely true ? ?White waters and black?: https://www.amazon.com/White-Waters-Black-Gordon-MacCreagh/dp/0226500187 Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Christopher Kemp Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 8:53 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Looking for stories External. Hi All, you might remember me from when I asked the list for examples of species with long shelf lives for my book The Lost Species. I'm still at it. Collecting stories. I'm always on the lookout for a great story that needs to be told and I feel like someone already knows it. I would love to find a story of a collecting expedition with plenty of source material, or even two competing narratives, or an expedition that went missing, or everyone on it ended up hating each other or something. I don't know what I'm looking for really, but something with lots of aspects to explore and to write about. Let me know if any of you are aware of anything that fits the bill! All best to you all, Chris -- "I am getting so far out, one day I won't come back at all." -- William S. Burroughs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjkemp at gmail.com Tue Jun 29 09:02:52 2021 From: cjkemp at gmail.com (Christopher Kemp) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 09:02:52 -0400 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Looking for stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ha! That's true. Great book! I'm looking for stories that haven't been told yet ... because I'm sure I can't tell that story any better than that. On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 9:00 AM Callomon,Paul wrote: > There?s no better example of a disastrous expedition than the hilarious ? > and largely true ? ?White waters and black?: > > https://www.amazon.com/White-Waters-Black-Gordon-MacCreagh/dp/0226500187 > > > > > > Paul Callomon > > Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates > ------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University* > > 1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA > *prc44 at drexel.edu Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* > > > > > > > > *From:* Nhcoll-l *On Behalf Of *Christopher > Kemp > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 29, 2021 8:53 AM > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] Looking for stories > > > > *External.* > > Hi All, you might remember me from when I asked the list for examples of > species with long shelf lives for my book The Lost Species. I'm still at > it. Collecting stories. I'm always on the lookout for a great story that > needs to be told and I feel like someone already knows it. I would love to > find a story of a collecting expedition with plenty of source material, or > even two competing narratives, or an expedition that went missing, or > everyone on it ended up hating each other or something. I don't know what > I'm looking for really, but something with lots of aspects to explore and > to write about. Let me know if any of you are aware of anything that fits > the bill! All best to you all, Chris > > > > -- > > "I am getting so far out, one day I won't come back at all." > > -- William S. Burroughs > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From troberts at nhm.org Tue Jun 29 13:35:59 2021 From: troberts at nhm.org (Trina Roberts) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 10:35:59 -0700 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Job Opening: Digitization Project Manager, Natural History Museum of L.A. County Message-ID: Dear colleagues -- please share the ad below (also at https://workforcenow.adp.com/mascsr/default/mdf/recruitment/recruitment.html?cid=2fc0a355-012e-4bef-9c85-724ae074a06a&ccId=19000101_000001&jobId=415926 ) with interested candidates in your networks! We're looking forward to finding a great match for this ambitious and exciting project. This job is based at the Natural History Museum of L.A. County but will work closely with all the institutions in the DigIn TCN. *Digitization Project Manager* The Natural History Museum of LA County (NHMLA) seeks a Project Manager for the NSF-funded Thematic Collections Network grant: Documenting Marine Biodiversity Through Digitization of Invertebrate Collections (DigIn ). The aim of this project is to digitize, aggregate, and make accessible online specimen metadata for 835,000 lots, representing 7.5 million marine invertebrates at nineteen U.S. research museums. Together this vast diversity of specimens will provide an essential guide to the diversity of ocean life across the globe. The Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County values and endeavors to support diversity, equity, inclusion, and access within its organization and communities. Candidates who identify as Black, Indigenous, or a Person of Color (BIPOC), neurodiverse, a woman, a person with a disability, a veteran, and/or a part of the LGBTQAI+ community are welcome and encouraged to apply. NHMLA is especially interested in candidates whose background and experience have prepared them to contribute to our commitment to engage and include culturally diverse audiences in museums and in science. RESPONSIBILITIES: - Works directly with the network of museum researchers from 19 collaborating institutions to provide or find assistance to catalog, digitize, aggregate, and make accessible specimen information and resources for marine invertebrate specimens housed at each institution, including technical support and training. - Coordinates the development and implementation of online portal (InvertEBase) for specimen data aggregation and data repatriation between institutions and digitization endpoints (e.g. Symbiota, Notes from Nature, GEOLocate) and publishing to data aggregators (e.g. iDigBio, GBIF). - Maintains collective resources for the project, and communicates regularly across all institutions to maintain project progress, including progress tracking. - Identifies and coordinates contracted project-wide personnel, including those working on technical aspects such as georeferencing. - Serves as project liaison to iDigBio and coordinates communication with national and international biodiversity informatics initiatives, including Global Biodiversity Information Facility (GBIF), Catalog of Life, World Register of Marine Species, and others as appropriate, and in collaboration with content providers at the participating institutions, coordinates outreach efforts including social media, exhibits, and educational outreach programs, and maintains the project website. REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS: - Knowledge of biodiversity informatics, digital resource management, and georeferencing in natural history museums, equivalent to 3 years professional experience, gained through any combination of work history and graduate-level training. - Familiarity and working knowledge of methods and tools for designing and managing database systems, data processing, and data refinement (e.g., SQL, R, Python, OpenRefine); experience working with standard natural history specimen database systems (e.g., Specify, Axiell EMu, Symbiota, Arctos) preferred. - Knowledge of geospatial information systems (QGIS, PostGIS etc.) and the CoGe collaborative georeferencing platform preferred. Familiarity with established best practices in georeferencing helpful. - Experience with web development standards and tools, including HTML, CSS & JavaScript. - Extensive knowledge and experience in biodiversity data science, standards (Darwin Core, Audubon Core, etc), digitization best practices, specimen imaging, image processing and submission, access and use of SQL databases, comprehensive management and quality control for images, occurrence data, workflows, interfaces, and publishing occurrence data. - Highly motivated, well-organized, and creative independent problem-solver with experience in project management, budgeting, and coordination. - Successful track record of providing leadership and training, able to implement effective changes to achieve program goals; experience supervising staff, volunteers, or students preferred. - Excellent communication skills, both oral and written. Must be outgoing and personable with the ability to interact effectively with and inspire museum staff, project researchers, and the public. Applicants and employees are invited to identify reasonable accommodations that can be made to assist them to perform the essential functions of the position they seek or occupy. The incumbent must be able to perform this job safely, with reasonable accommodation if necessary, without endangering the health or safety of him/herself or others. This is a full-time temporary position with a salary range of $65,000 to $70,000 with excellent benefits. The job will start as soon as possible, preferably in Summer or early Fall 2021. This is a grant-funded position expected to last four years. The application deadline is July 20, 2021. Submit a current CV, a cover letter describing how your experience, knowledge, and interest qualify you for this position, and the names and contact information of three professional references through the Museum?s employment site at https://workforcenow.adp.com/mascsr/default/mdf/recruitment/recruitment.html?cid=2fc0a355-012e-4bef-9c85-724ae074a06a&ccId=19000101_000001&jobId=415926 The application site is also linked from the museum's careers page at https://nhm.org/site/about-our-museums/working-at-nhm/jobs-nhm. The Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County is an Equal Opportunity Employer. Please, no phone calls and no faxes. -- Trina E. Roberts, Ph.D. Associate VP, Collections Natural History Museums of Los Angeles County 213-763-3330 troberts at nhm.org she, her, hers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From troberts at nhm.org Tue Jun 29 14:24:44 2021 From: troberts at nhm.org (Trina Roberts) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:24:44 -0700 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Job Posting: Collections Manager, Ornithology, Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County Message-ID: Dear colleagues -- another job posting that I hope you will consider sharing with your networks and with potential candidates! This is a full-time regular position that will start in early 2022. Please get in touch if you have any questions. Collections Manager, Ornithology The Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County (NHMLAC) seeks a Collections Manager of Ornithology. NHMLAC?s Ornithology collection consists of approximately 122,000 specimens, including study skins, skeletons, fluid-preserved specimens, taxidermy mounts, and frozen tissues of birds. This position is directly supervised by the Curator of Ornithology. The Collections Manager will oversee the day-to-day operations of the ornithology collection, including processing incoming and outgoing loans, preparation and integration of new specimens, maintaining and improving specimen records in NHMLAC?s EMu database, conserving and organizing specimens, managing physical improvements and digitization projects, facilitating the use of the collection by researchers, and supporting the needs of other NHMLAC departments including Exhibitions, Education and Programming, and Marketing and Communications. The Collections Manager will also train and supervise volunteers, students, and other personnel, and collaborate with other departments to manage shared space and facilities. The Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County values and endeavors to support diversity, equity, inclusion, and access within its organization and communities. Candidates who identify as Black, Indigenous, or a Person of Color (BIPOC), neurodiverse, a woman, a person with a disability, a veteran, and/or a part of the LGBTQAI+ community are welcome and encouraged to apply. NHMLA is especially interested in candidates whose background and experience have prepared them to contribute to our commitment to engage and include culturally diverse audiences in museums and in science. This position will be available starting February 1, 2022. We are looking for a candidate who can start between February 1 and May 1, 2022. RESPONSIBILITIES: - Cares for the Ornithology collection on a day-?to-?day basis, including organizing and conserving specimens, preparing or processing all specimen loans, acquiring new specimens, preparing specimens, and facilitating collections visits. Proposes, develops, and implements plans for collection growth and improvement. - Provides documentation for the collection, including cataloging, entering/updating database records, inventorying, and enhancing documentation through digitization. Responds to requests for information about the collection and shares collection records through external repositories. - Participates in education and other public program activities of the Museum including but not limited to collection tours, supporting exhibitions, and participation in public museum events. Handles inquiries from the public and researchers. - Stays current with the research field related to the collection including trends and techniques in collections management, collection-based research, conservation, digitization, biodiversity informatics, government regulations, and documentation. May lead or participate in ongoing or original research related to the collection. - Trains, supervises, and manages collections personnel, including interns, students and volunteers. REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS: - 5 years experience in the collection, organization, care and/or conservation of natural history specimens/collections; relevant experience may have been gained through work as a student or professional. We expect qualified applicants will have either a substantial history of museum work or a bachelor?s or graduate degree in a related field and some museum work experience, but we encourage applicants in their cover letters to explain how their particular combination of education and experience qualifies them for the position. - Experience with database software and common principles of biodiversity informatics. - Experience writing reports, grants, professional correspondence, and/or procedure manuals. - Experience effectively presenting information to and responding to questions from individuals or groups of managers, scientists, and the general public. DESIRED QUALIFICATIONS: - Working knowledge of avian taxonomy, common specimen preparations, and the organization and management of bird collections. - Experience supervising a diverse team of staff, volunteers, and students. - Working knowledge of international, federal, and state regulations governing the collection and use of bird specimens by museums. - Working knowledge of external data repositories such as GBIF, iDigBio, and MorphoSource. - Experience with typical methods used for field collection and processing of birds. - Demonstrated commitment to diversity, equity, access and inclusion work. OTHER INFORMATION Annual salary for this position is $63,000. This is a full-time, regular, exempt position with excellent benefits. The primary location for this job is at the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County, in Exposition Park in Los Angeles. Some offsite travel will be required. Applicants and employees are invited to identify reasonable accommodations that can be made to assist them to perform the essential functions of the position they seek or occupy. The incumbent must be able to perform this job safely, with reasonable accommodation if necessary, without endangering the health or safety of him/herself or others. The application deadline is *September 1st*. Submit a current CV, a cover letter describing how your experience, knowledge, and interest qualify you for this position, and the names and contact information of three professional references through the Museum?s employment site at https://nhm.org/careers-our-museums/careers-natural-history-museum. The direct link to the posting and application for this job is https://workforcenow.adp.com/mascsr/default/mdf/recruitment/recruitment.html?cid=2fc0a355-012e-4bef-9c85-724ae074a06a&ccId=19000101_000001&jobId=415926 The Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County is an Equal Opportunity Employer. -- Trina E. Roberts, Ph.D. Associate VP, Collections Natural History Museums of Los Angeles County 213-763-3330 troberts at nhm.org she, her, hers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simmons.johne at gmail.com Wed Jun 30 21:41:48 2021 From: simmons.johne at gmail.com (John E Simmons) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 21:41:48 -0400 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] collecting the amphibians and reptiles In-Reply-To: References: <2457a3aec60c4460b816fb27e2ed965b@loodusmuuseum.ee> <205570a4-db8d-2054-76ee-24387f2bf5a0@snsb.de> Message-ID: Thanks to Dirk for recommending *Herpetological Collecting and Collections Management*. In that book I have tried to address all the essentials for collecting, preserving, and managing a collection. Make sure you get the 3rd edition (2015) as it is the most up-to-date. The issue of collecting ethics is addressed in the book, but I agree with Jessa that the ASIH guidelines are important to read as well. One issue that is not covered in detail in *Herpetological Collecting and Collections Management* (due to lack of space) is collecting and preserving tissue collections for molecular work. However, this topic is well covered in Tony Gamble's book, *Collecting and Preserving Genetic Material for Herpetological Research* (2014), available from https://www.amazon.com/Collecting-Preserving-Material-Herpetological-Research/dp/0916984885 If you have any questions about collecting, preserving, or managing specimens of reptiles and amphibians, please let me know. --John John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica *and* Associate Curator of Collections Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery Penn State University *and* Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 7:43 AM Watters, Jessa L. wrote: > Lennart, > I would also recommend the Herpetology Animal Care Guidelines put out by > ASIH (American Society of Ichthyologists and Herpetologists): > https://asih.org/animal-care-guidelines . While the later sections of > this document are on care of live animals, the earlier sections are on > collecting, euthanasia, museum specimen prep, etc. > > In terms of ethics, we all follow local permit guidelines (local to where > we collect) and usually institutional IACUC rules (Institutional Animal > Care and Use Committee). These both vary greatly by state/country and > institution, so sometimes the methods change a bit based on where you are > doing the collecting and/or the research objectives. This is a good general > resource on IACUC: https://www.aalas.org/iacuc > > In regards to why we herpetologists collect, it is for every reason you > mentioned and more, so there isn't a short easy answer there. ? > Jessa > > > ___________________________________________________ > Jessa Watters, M.S. > Collection Manager, Herpetology > Sam Noble Museum > 2401 Chautauqua Ave. > Norman, OK 73072 > jwatters at ou.edu > https://jessawatters.weebly.com/ > 405-325-7771 (phone) > 405-325-7699 (fax) > https://samnoblemuseum.ou.edu/collections-and-research/herpetology/ > pronouns: she, her, hers > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Nhcoll-l on behalf of Dirk > Neumann > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 29, 2021 1:13 AM > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] collecting the amphibians and reptiles > > Hi Lennart, > > I may refer you to the book of the dear colleague John E Simmons: > https://www.amazon.com/Herpetological-Collecting-Collections-Management-3rd/dp/0916984907 > > > Even though the stuff John refers to in his book has more legs and arms > the fish I used to work with should have, I found this book extraordinary > useful for my work and learned a lot from it. > > Hope this helps > Dirk > > > > Am 28.06.2021 um 17:40 schrieb Lennart Lennuk: > > Hi! > > > > How do you collect reptiles and amphibians in your institutions? > > Have you got any specific research goal or are you collecting to gather > temporal and spatial data for further research questions. Also it would be > helpful information how you euthanize them and in what circumstances this > is ethical. > > > > Best regards > > Lennart Lennuk > > Head of collections > > Estonian Museum of Natural History > > (+372) 6603404, 56569916 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing listNhcoll-l at mailman.yale.eduhttps://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > > > -- > > > Dirk Neumann > > Tel: 089 / 8107-111 > Fax: 089 / 8107-300 > neumann(a)snsb.de > > Postanschrift: > > Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns > Zoologische Staatssammlung M?nchen > Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Storage > M?nchhausenstr. 21 > 81247 M?nchen > > Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung: > http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ > > > --------- > > Dirk Neumann > > Tel: +49-89-8107-111 > Fax: +49-89-8107-300 > neumann(a)snsb.de > > postal address: > > Bavarian Natural History Collections > The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology > Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage > Muenchhausenstr. 21 > 81247 Munich (Germany) > > Visit our section at: > http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. 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