From info at naturhistorische-konservierung.de  Tue Mar  1 04:22:54 2022
From: info at naturhistorische-konservierung.de (Fabian Neisskenwirth)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2022 10:22:54 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on removing specimens from glass tubes
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Hey Luisa,


I agree with Andrew's suggestion of placing them on ethafoam. I attached 
a picture of some similar specimens I rehoused for storage in a school 
collection in Wuppertal.

As long as the tubes show no leakage and the specimens are stable, I see 
no reason of rehousing them. They look very well preserved to me. Of 
course you should keep an eye on the cork/rubber stopper.


... and to James question,

the method that John points out works very well. I did it using a 
portable Raman-Spectrometer provided by Ocean Insight 
(https://www.oceaninsight.com/products/measurement--technique-bundles/raman-bundle-785/?qty=1) 
during my master thesis on the conservation of fluid preserved 
specimens. I encourage everyone who could afford such analysis to try it 
out, we need a big spectral library of references so its easier to 
identify possible preservation fluids ;>)

For more info get in contact with Sophie.


All best,

Am 28.02.22 um 23:06 schrieb John E Simmons:
> A recent paper has reported on the use of Raman spectrometry for this 
> purpose, but you need the right lab equipment to do use it. Sophie 
> Cersoy demonstrated the technique for us in Paris during the 2018 
> fluid collection conference, and her paper is now available:
>
> S. Cersoy, V. Rouchon, O. Belhadj, J. Cuisin, and M. Herbin. 2020. 
> Noninvasive fluid identification: potential of micro-Raman 
> spectroscopy. /Collection Forum/ 34(1):53-72
>
> --John
>
> John E. Simmons
> Writer and Museum Consultant
> Museologica
> /and/
> Associate Curator of Collections
> Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery
> Penn State University
> /and/
> Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia
> Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 5:00 PM James Bryant <jbandjb at live.com> wrote:
>
>     Turtox! Fascinating, John. I agree that it would be useful to know
>     how old these preparations might be. If they?ve remained stable
>     this long, I can?t imagine there are many other reasons to disturb
>     them.
>
>     Perhaps I?ve just not recalling things, but are there any
>     instrumental methods to analyze the content of solutions used in
>     fluid collections without disturbing the containers?
>
>     James Bryant
>     SOJOURN Science - Nature - Education
>     Santa Fe, NM
>     https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-bryant-0598a940/
>
>
>>     On Feb 28, 2022, at 1:00 PM, John E Simmons
>>     <simmons.johne at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     This technique was published in Turtox News 15(10:129 in October
>>     of 1937 in an anonymous short article with the title "A method of
>>     displaying snakes." The article includes a photograph of a rack
>>     holding a number of long tubes with preserved snakes stretched
>>     out in them, sent in by "Professor John M. Frazier of the State
>>     Teachers College, Hattiesburg Mississippi." Prof. Frazier
>>     reported that "The snakes are injected with formalin-alcohol
>>     preservative and are hardened instraight and extended position.
>>     They are then inserted in the glass tubes, the ends of which are
>>     sealed with cork or rubber stoppers and coated with paraffin
>>     after the tubes have been completely filled with the preserving
>>     solution."
>>
>>     There were several "formalin-alcohol preservative" mixtures that
>>     were popular at the time, the idea being that you could reduce
>>     the two-steps of fixation and preservation into one. These
>>     mixtures were not successful because the chemical actions of the
>>     formaldehyde and alcohol interfered with each other, resulting in
>>     uneven preservation as tissues were dehydrated. For example, one
>>     mixture called for 95ml of 70% ETOH and 5 ml of formaldehyde;
>>     another for 50 parts alcohol, 5 parts formaldehyde, and 45 parts
>>     water. It may also refer to what was more commonly called FAA,
>>     which was formaldehyde, alcohol, and acetic acid.
>>
>>     You cannot tell just by looking what solution the specimens are
>>     in, but I expect it is alcohol due to the discoloration
>>     (formaldehyde does not extract lipids as readily as alcohol).
>>     However, I would handle these as if they did contain formaldehyde
>>     and take appropriate precautions until you are sure. The problem
>>     with re-housing the specimens will be that they are going to be
>>     very stiff and it will be difficult to coil them up without
>>     damaging them. If they are not leaking, and you do not need to
>>     remove the specimens for examination, I would leave them as they
>>     are but house the tubes in a way that will reduce the chance of
>>     breakage, such as in a box or tray with half-rounds of cardboard
>>     to keep them from rolling or touching each other. They are an
>>     excellent example of an old technique that was rather quaint.
>>
>>     Any idea when the specimens were preserved?
>>
>>     --John
>>
>>     John E. Simmons
>>     Writer and Museum Consultant
>>     Museologica
>>     /and/
>>     Associate Curator of Collections
>>     Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery
>>     Penn State University
>>     /and/
>>     Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia
>>     Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San
>>     Marcos, Lima
>>
>>
>>     On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 2:02 PM Luisa Zamora Chavez
>>     <lzamorac at asu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>         Hello all,
>>
>>         I have a few liquid-preserved snakes in glass tubes that were
>>         donated to our collections sometime ago. The tubes are sealed
>>         shut using what appears to be plastic corks, tape, and
>>         sealant. We're not sure if the liquid they're in is formalin
>>         or something other than ethanol.
>>
>>         I am wondering if anyone has had any experience with this
>>         sort of preservation and any advice on how to transfer the
>>         specimens to a more stable mode? We'd like to keep some of
>>         them but fear the tubes might break. We are unsure of what
>>         liquid?is typically used for this type of preservation and
>>         would like to be as prepared as possible so we can
>>         safely?remove them from the tubes (if that is at all
>>         possible). I have included some pictures of the specimens for
>>         reference. Any help is greatly appreciated!
>>
>>         Kind regards,
>>         Luisa
>>
>>
>>         -- 
>>         *Luisa Zamora Chavez *
>>         Pronouns: she/they
>>         Research Technician
>>         Arizona State University Biocollections
>>         Lzamorac at asu.edu
>>         602-737-8357
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From bethanypalumbo at gmail.com  Tue Mar  1 04:48:25 2022
From: bethanypalumbo at gmail.com (Bethany Palumbo)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2022 10:48:25 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Guidelines for concrete curing times
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Hi all,

We are currently building a new museum site and much of the
construction will be concrete, including exposed concrete walls and floors
in galleries. I am looking for guidelines regarding the true curing time of
concrete, and how long we should wait before installing the exhibitions. I
have guidelines for paint and plaster but none for concrete if used as an
interior finish.

As always your guidance and advice is greatly appreciated.

With many thanks,
-- 
Bethany Palumbo, ACR
Head of Conservation Unit

Statens Naturhistoriske Museum
Universitetsparken 15, 2100 K?benhavn



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From: gnelson at floridamuseum.ufl.edu (Nelson,Gil)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2022 15:54:46 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Speakers announced: 6th Annual Digital Data Conference:
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From aresetar at fieldmuseum.org  Tue Mar  1 14:33:52 2022
From: aresetar at fieldmuseum.org (Alan Resetar)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2022 13:33:52 -0600
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on removing specimens from glass tubes
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In Amphibians and Reptiles at the Field Museum, we were gifted a collection
of preserved herps that was displayed in a home. The son of the fellow who
made the accumulation said that his father kept live herps and preserved
them after their deaths. Based on the species included, the collection was
built starting in the 1950's and 1960's. The father worked at some point in
commercial pharmaceutical manufacturing and had access to discarded
glassware. Attached is a photo of a Drymarchon (in thick ca. 60 cm long
glass tube stoppered with rubber plugs), a Dracaena (in large
rubber-stoppered test tube-shaped bottle), and an Iguana. A 48 cm. ruler is
in foreground. A number of smaller, thinner glass tubes stoppered with wax
sealed corks were also in the collection. The large tubes were well sealed.
The smaller ones with cork stoppers were empty or only partially full of
liquid. It took us a few years to build up the courage to open the large
tubes and change the fluid. We drained the tubes by removing original
stoppers, did a water soak, and stepped up the specimens in ethanol. As is
our custom after transfers, we monitored the ethanol concentrations for 2
or 3 weeks and added 95% ethanol until the concentration stayed at 70%.
When reinserting the original rubber stoppers, we held the tubes vertically
and filled each to near where the bottom of the stopper would seat. We
placed a thin strand of strong thread between the stopper and the side of
the container. The thread was a short distance into the ethanol. The
stopper was slowly pressed into the neck of the container as the thread was
withdrawn. This allowed air to escape. We didn't practice with
non-essential glassware ahead of time but this might be a good idea. We
have not noticed any leakage over about 7 years. As Fabian and Andy
mentioned, we made ethafoam saddles to support the tubes.

John mentioned Turtox. General Biological Supply House in Chicago used the
trade name "Turtox." See
https://history.archives.mbl.edu/browse/exhibits/using-biodiversity/supply-sale/general-biological-supply-house-turtox-products-1913
Attached
is a photo of an embryological series prepared by GBSH. The container is
still well sealed after many decades.

*Alan Resetar*
Associate, Gantz Family Collections Center
Field Museum
1400 S. DuSable Lake Shore Dr.
Chicago, IL 60605
fieldmuseum.org




Check out our collection website at
http://fieldmuseum.org/explore/department/zoology/amphibians-and-reptiles
and our collection database at
http://collections-zoology.fieldmuseum.org/list?f%5B0%5D=ss_CatCatalog%3A%22Amphibians%20and%20Reptiles%22
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On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:07 PM John E Simmons <simmons.johne at gmail.com>
wrote:

> A recent paper has reported on the use of Raman spectrometry for this
> purpose, but you need the right lab equipment to do use it. Sophie Cersoy
> demonstrated the technique for us in Paris during the 2018 fluid collection
> conference, and her paper is now available:
>
> S. Cersoy, V. Rouchon, O. Belhadj, J. Cuisin, and M. Herbin. 2020.
> Noninvasive fluid identification: potential of micro-Raman spectroscopy. *Collection
> Forum* 34(1):53-72
>
> --John
>
> John E. Simmons
> Writer and Museum Consultant
> Museologica
> *and*
> Associate Curator of Collections
> Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery
> Penn State University
> *and*
> Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia
> Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 5:00 PM James Bryant <jbandjb at live.com> wrote:
>
>> Turtox! Fascinating, John. I agree that it would be useful to know how
>> old these preparations might be. If they?ve remained stable this long, I
>> can?t imagine there are many other reasons to disturb them.
>>
>> Perhaps I?ve just not recalling things, but are there any instrumental
>> methods to analyze the content of solutions used in fluid collections
>> without disturbing the containers?
>>
>> James Bryant
>> SOJOURN Science - Nature - Education
>> Santa Fe, NM
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-bryant-0598a940/
>>
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 1:00 PM, John E Simmons <simmons.johne at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This technique was published in Turtox News 15(10:129 in October of 1937
>> in an anonymous short article with the title "A method of displaying
>> snakes." The article includes a photograph of a rack holding a number of
>> long tubes with preserved snakes stretched out in them, sent in by
>> "Professor John M. Frazier of the State Teachers College, Hattiesburg
>> Mississippi." Prof. Frazier reported that "The snakes are injected with
>> formalin-alcohol preservative and are hardened instraight and extended
>> position. They are then inserted in the glass tubes, the ends of which are
>> sealed with cork or rubber stoppers and coated with paraffin after the
>> tubes have been completely filled with the preserving solution."
>>
>> There were several "formalin-alcohol preservative" mixtures that were
>> popular at the time, the idea being that you could reduce the two-steps of
>> fixation and preservation into one. These mixtures were not successful
>> because the chemical actions of the formaldehyde and alcohol interfered
>> with each other, resulting in uneven preservation as tissues were
>> dehydrated. For example, one mixture called for 95ml of 70% ETOH and 5 ml
>> of formaldehyde; another for 50 parts alcohol, 5 parts formaldehyde, and 45
>> parts water. It may also refer to what was more commonly called FAA, which
>> was formaldehyde, alcohol, and acetic acid.
>>
>> You cannot tell just by looking what solution the specimens are in, but I
>> expect it is alcohol due to the discoloration (formaldehyde does not
>> extract lipids as readily as alcohol). However, I would handle these as if
>> they did contain formaldehyde and take appropriate precautions until you
>> are sure. The problem with re-housing the specimens will be that they are
>> going to be very stiff and it will be difficult to coil them up without
>> damaging them. If they are not leaking, and you do not need to remove the
>> specimens for examination, I would leave them as they are but house the
>> tubes in a way that will reduce the chance of breakage, such as in a box or
>> tray with half-rounds of cardboard to keep them from rolling or touching
>> each other. They are an excellent example of an old technique that was
>> rather quaint.
>>
>> Any idea when the specimens were preserved?
>>
>> --John
>>
>> John E. Simmons
>> Writer and Museum Consultant
>> Museologica
>> *and*
>> Associate Curator of Collections
>> Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery
>> Penn State University
>> *and*
>> Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia
>> Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 2:02 PM Luisa Zamora Chavez <lzamorac at asu.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I have a few liquid-preserved snakes in glass tubes that were donated to
>>> our collections sometime ago. The tubes are sealed shut using what appears
>>> to be plastic corks, tape, and sealant. We're not sure if the liquid
>>> they're in is formalin or something other than ethanol.
>>>
>>> I am wondering if anyone has had any experience with this sort of
>>> preservation and any advice on how to transfer the specimens to a more
>>> stable mode? We'd like to keep some of them but fear the tubes might break.
>>> We are unsure of what liquid is typically used for this type of
>>> preservation and would like to be as prepared as possible so we can
>>> safely remove them from the tubes (if that is at all possible). I have
>>> included some pictures of the specimens for reference. Any help is greatly
>>> appreciated!
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Luisa
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Luisa Zamora Chavez *
>>> Pronouns: she/they
>>> Research Technician
>>> Arizona State University Biocollections
>>> Lzamorac at asu.edu
>>> 602-737-8357
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>>> Nhcoll-l mailing list
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From neumann at snsb.de  Tue Mar  1 17:21:03 2022
From: neumann at snsb.de (Dirk Neumann)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2022 23:21:03 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Guidelines for concrete curing times
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Hi Bethany,

it might be worth contacting the Doerner Institute in Munich; it is the 
art restoration institute of the Pinakotheken in Munich and one of the 
leading institutes; they published the conference proceedings /Climate 
for collections | standards and uncertainties | Munich/ 
<https://www.climateforculture.eu/index.php?inhalt=download&file=pages/user/downloads/publications/Climate_for_Collections.pdf>2012 
(454 p); also the latest art gallery building, the Neue Pinakethek, is 
entirely concrete.

On page 149 in the PDF is a reference to a model construction by the 
Danish Building research institute (SBi) at aalborg University, 
http://www.bsim.dk; perhaps also worth contacting colleagues there.

The key question surely is which kind of concrete is used, there is a 
huge variety.? It might be worth checking with builders/planners of your 
new museum, to be sure which curing times you are looking for / looking 
at. Might also be worth checking hydraulic properties of the concrete 
used to understand the potential influence of the concrete on relative 
humidity values in the galleries.

Hope this helps
Dirk


Am 01.03.2022 um 10:48 schrieb Bethany Palumbo:
> Hi all,
>
> We are currently building a new museum site and much of the 
> construction?will be concrete, including exposed concrete walls and 
> floors in galleries. I am looking for guidelines regarding?the true 
> curing time of concrete, and how long we should wait before installing 
> the exhibitions. I have guidelines for paint and plaster but none for 
> concrete if used as an interior finish.
>
> As always your guidance and advice is greatly appreciated.
>
> With many thanks,
> -- 
> Bethany Palumbo, ACR
> Head of Conservation Unit
>
> Statens Naturhistoriske Museum
> Universitetsparken 15, 2100 K?benhavn
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Hi Karen,

Lots of good advice already but one more thought...I guess one other thing you could do is to build a anoxic bubble (like using N2) around it for treatment? We are just starting to look into this method for treatment of material that can't be frozen. I understand it's a bit slow but very effective.

Cheers,

Tonya
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All good tips. Geographically-speaking, where was the case previously? When you?re cleaning per Gretchen?s advice, look carefully for any traces of powdery wood dust, or tiny holes smaller than a pinhead. If there turns out to be a wood infestation, that could require the kind of treatments Dirk has mentioned.

Glad to hear you?re working to conserve both the mount and the original casework!

James Bryant
SOJOURN Science - Nature - Education
Santa Fe, NM
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On Feb 28, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Dirk Neumann <neumann at snsb.de<mailto:neumann at snsb.de>> wrote:

Hi Karen,

in Europe, several companies have specialised offering gentle heat treatment to valuable cultural objects to treat pests by using static warm-air chambers; more details can be found, e.g., here:https://www.thermolignum.com/en/home.html.

Used this method when treating the invested wood of our historic house (floorboards, beams),works quite well. Another option would be carbon dioxide treatment of the entrie cabinet: https://museumpests.net/solutions-controlled-atmospherecarbon-dioxide-treatment/

It might be worth checking if there are companies or other museums that operate such devices in your vicinity, e.g. to treat historic (invested) furniture or similarly large museum objects. Here in Munich, our museum offers such services to other museums and collections. Thus it might be worth searching.

Hope this helps
Dirk


Am 28.02.2022 um 21:54 schrieb Anderson, Gretchen:
Hi Karen,

It is a lovely case. I can see why you want to keep it.  Do you see any pest evidence in the case or on the taxidermy?


I recommend that you clean it- inside and out ? as best as you can.  Make sure that you clean the interior, getting into all of the crevices.  If you can remove the deck, remove it and clean it.  Use soft brushes and a vacuum cleaner (preferably a HEPA vacuum). Clean under it.  Examine it closely with a flashlight.  Close it up and put a trap (sticky trap/monitor) inside and under it.  Check the traps over the next few months.  A thorough cleaning should make the case useful and pest free.

Good luck!
Gretchen

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Carnegie Museum of Natural History
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Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 2:48 PM
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Seeking IPM Advice

Dear all,

We recently accepted a transfer of a large taxidermy specimen and its case (see attached photo of the case). We were able to place the specimen in our isolation freezer, however, the case is too large to fit and cannot be sufficiently disassembled. Our exhibits team would like to keep the case for display at the museum. Unfortunately, the case was part of a display in a non-museum setting for well over a decade, which is concerning from an IPM perspective, specifically with the completely sealed, presumably hollow, base.

I?m thus coming to you for advice and recommendations regarding pest mitigation for the case.

Many thanks in advance,
Karen

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I think this could be of interest for many of us! Come join us and hear about efforts on integrated pest management in museums.

Cheers,
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From aresetar at fieldmuseum.org  Wed Mar  2 12:20:55 2022
From: aresetar at fieldmuseum.org (Alan Resetar)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 11:20:55 -0600
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on removing specimens from glass tubes
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The Field Museum has a collection of preserved herps that was displayed in
a home. The son of the homeowner said that his dad kept live herps and
preserved them after death. Based on the species included, the collection
dates from the 1950's and 1960's. The father worked in drug manufacturing
and had access to discarded glassware. Attached photo shows a Drymarchon
(in 60 cm. glass tube with rubber plugs), a Dracaena (in test tube-shaped
bottle), and an Iguana. Shorter, thinner glass tubes with waxed corks were
empty or partially full of liquid. The larger tubes were well sealed. It
took us a few years to build up the courage to open them  We drained them
by removing stoppers, did a water soak, and stepped up in ethanol. We
monitored concentrations for 2 or 3 weeks adding 95% ethanol until
concentration stayed at 70%. To reinsert stoppers, we held tubes vertically
filling each to near where the bottom of the stopper seats. We placed a
thin strand of thread between stoppers and sides of containers. The stopper
was slowly pressed into opening while withdrawing thread allowing air to
escape. We made ethafoam supports. Leakage has not been noted.

*Alan Resetar*
Associate, Gantz Family Collections Center
Field Museum
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On Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 2:01 PM John E Simmons <simmons.johne at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This technique was published in Turtox News 15(10:129 in October of 1937
> in an anonymous short article with the title "A method of displaying
> snakes." The article includes a photograph of a rack holding a number of
> long tubes with preserved snakes stretched out in them, sent in by
> "Professor John M. Frazier of the State Teachers College, Hattiesburg
> Mississippi." Prof. Frazier reported that "The snakes are injected with
> formalin-alcohol preservative and are hardened instraight and extended
> position. They are then inserted in the glass tubes, the ends of which are
> sealed with cork or rubber stoppers and coated with paraffin after the
> tubes have been completely filled with the preserving solution."
>
> There were several "formalin-alcohol preservative" mixtures that were
> popular at the time, the idea being that you could reduce the two-steps of
> fixation and preservation into one. These mixtures were not successful
> because the chemical actions of the formaldehyde and alcohol interfered
> with each other, resulting in uneven preservation as tissues were
> dehydrated. For example, one mixture called for 95ml of 70% ETOH and 5 ml
> of formaldehyde; another for 50 parts alcohol, 5 parts formaldehyde, and 45
> parts water. It may also refer to what was more commonly called FAA, which
> was formaldehyde, alcohol, and acetic acid.
>
> You cannot tell just by looking what solution the specimens are in, but I
> expect it is alcohol due to the discoloration (formaldehyde does not
> extract lipids as readily as alcohol). However, I would handle these as if
> they did contain formaldehyde and take appropriate precautions until you
> are sure. The problem with re-housing the specimens will be that they are
> going to be very stiff and it will be difficult to coil them up without
> damaging them. If they are not leaking, and you do not need to remove the
> specimens for examination, I would leave them as they are but house the
> tubes in a way that will reduce the chance of breakage, such as in a box or
> tray with half-rounds of cardboard to keep them from rolling or touching
> each other. They are an excellent example of an old technique that was
> rather quaint.
>
> Any idea when the specimens were preserved?
>
> --John
>
> John E. Simmons
> Writer and Museum Consultant
> Museologica
> *and*
> Associate Curator of Collections
> Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery
> Penn State University
> *and*
> Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia
> Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 2:02 PM Luisa Zamora Chavez <lzamorac at asu.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have a few liquid-preserved snakes in glass tubes that were donated to
>> our collections sometime ago. The tubes are sealed shut using what appears
>> to be plastic corks, tape, and sealant. We're not sure if the liquid
>> they're in is formalin or something other than ethanol.
>>
>> I am wondering if anyone has had any experience with this sort of
>> preservation and any advice on how to transfer the specimens to a more
>> stable mode? We'd like to keep some of them but fear the tubes might break.
>> We are unsure of what liquid is typically used for this type of
>> preservation and would like to be as prepared as possible so we can
>> safely remove them from the tubes (if that is at all possible). I have
>> included some pictures of the specimens for reference. Any help is greatly
>> appreciated!
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Luisa
>>
>>
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>> Arizona State University Biocollections
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From Jeff.Stephenson at dmns.org  Wed Mar  2 12:28:11 2022
From: Jeff.Stephenson at dmns.org (Jeff Stephenson)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 17:28:11 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] March On-Line Courses
Message-ID: <CY4PR0801MB37471B9435698A425F5D554598039@CY4PR0801MB3747.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Hello,
Please see below for a compendium of on-line courses in Museum Studies and Collections Management.  This list is provided by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections Professional Development Committee as a monthly service for nhcoll subscribers.  Please contact the course providers or instructors for more information or questions.
As a reminder, nhcoll is not open for advertising by individuals; however, if you would like to have your courses appear in this compendium, please feel free to submit your offerings to jeff.stephenson at dmns.org<mailto:jeff.stephenson at dmns.org>, and we'll see that you get in.
Thank you

>From Northeast Document Conservation Center (NEDCC)
EXHIBITING YOUR COLLECTIONS (March 3)
Instructor: Stephanie Garafolo, NEDCC Preservation Specialist

- EXHIBIT CRADLES FOR BOUND VOLUMES (March 10)
Instructor: Bexx Caswell-Olson, NEDCC Director of Book Conservation

- DIGITIZING PHOTOGRAPHS (March 24)
Instructor: David Joyall, NEDCC Senior Photographer

- ASSESSING & IMPROVING COLLECTIONS SECURITY (March 29)
Instructor: Tara Puyat, NEDCC Preservation Specialist

- WRITING A COLLECTION MANAGEMENT POLICY: STEP-BY-STEP (March 31)
Instructor: Eli Boyne, NEDCC Preservation Specialist

Certified Archivists earn Archival Recertification Credits (ARCs) through the Academy of Certified Archivists for these webinars. See details on registration page.

*REGISTRATION LINK: https://www.nedcc.org/pt *QUESTIONS? Contact: mailto:info at nedcc.org
*INFO: http://www.nedcc.org  ---  Established in 1973, NEDCC offers conservation treatment, digital imaging, and audio preservation services, as well as preservation training, assessments and consultations.
******





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From amast at fsu.edu  Wed Mar  2 15:12:34 2022
From: amast at fsu.edu (Austin Mast)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 20:12:34 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Strategic Planning for Herbaria Course
Message-ID: <417DA5ED-5022-44AC-A028-EEB9D10F10B8@fsu.edu>

My apologies.  I sent this to the wrong nhcoll email address last week.  Here?s another attempt to advertise this on nhcoll.  Thanks for considering!

Austin

Dear Colleagues,

The Society of Herbarium Curators and iDigBio are pleased to announce an 8-week "Strategic Planning for Herbaria? online course.

Take this opportunity to introduce new purpose and excitement into your organization. Prepare to relate your herbarium?s compelling vision to stakeholders and discuss long-term goals and strategies with administrators.

The ?Strategic Planning for Herbaria? course will meet 8 times on Wednesdays at 3:00?4:00 PM Eastern Time during the period March 30?May 18, 2022 (see syllabus link below for details, including exact dates). We anticipate that the course will require approximately 5 hours of work per week, including the 1 hour in-class. The goal is to produce a short (5?10 pages) strategic plan for each represented herbarium. Each plan will address vision, mission, values, stakeholders, strategies, goals, objectives, evaluation, and sustainability, among other things. The process is at least as valuable as the product, and you might find that the exercises benefit your herbarium in unexpected ways.  This will be the eighth time that David and Austin have offered a course of this type for the community.

The course size will be capped to ensure that everyone has adequate opportunities to participate in discussions. We are looking for creative, committed participants who can help us to continue building momentum for this as an annual event. If multiple individuals from a herbarium are interested in participating in the course, we ask that one formally apply and the others participate in the out-of-class exercises and brainstorming sessions.

There is no charge for participation in the course. We invite anyone affiliated with a herbarium from anywhere in the world to apply to participate, but we do note that the course is taught in English. Please note that the course is focused on strategic planning, rather than teaching collecting, curation, or data mobilization skills. Meetings are recorded to benefit class participants who wish to review content asynchronously.

The syllabus for the course is available here<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P85GGPp1RnS0xDB5wU3U6L3c8-ennik7uiBGQGl0l58/edit?usp=sharing>.

To apply, please fill out this short Google Form<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScVtisLYq3iS1HJnShRiltQV8AOxdz9OULNC7mmAM9QDoAdVQ/viewform?usp=sf_link> by Wednesday, March 9, 2022. Admission decisions will be made shortly thereafter. Admissions are based on a mix of considerations, including diversity of career stages and herbaria, urgency for the herbarium, the herbarium?s concrete plans to leverage the strategic planning in the near future (e.g., for funding), and sustained interest in the class as evidenced by application again this year after an unsuccessful application in the previous year.

With best regards,

Austin Mast (Director of iDigBio?s Digitization, Workforce Development, and Citizen Science Domain) and David Jennings (iDigBio?s Project Manager)

Austin Mast ? Professor ? Department of Biological Science ? 319 Stadium Drive ? Florida State University ? Tallahassee, FL 32306-4295 ? U.S.A. ? (850) 645-1500 ? Director ? Institute for Digital Information & Scientific Communication ? College of Communication and Information ? Florida State University ? amast at fsu.edu<mailto:amast at fsu.edu> ? he/him

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From botanistsaj at gmail.com  Wed Mar  2 20:53:21 2022
From: botanistsaj at gmail.com (Shelley James)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 09:53:21 +0800
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] TDWG 2022 - call for sessions
Message-ID: <CAAs3NL3JLq0F=qiKdLajfjtTRDBkQDn0FUbvPQ8wWK+E6X10yg@mail.gmail.com>

TDWG 2022?A Hybrid ConferenceStronger Together: Standards for linking
biodiversity data17?21 October 2022Be there in person, or join the
conference online!
------------------------------
Call for organized sessions

The Biodiversity Information Standards (TDWG) annual conference in 2022
will be a hybrid meeting, hosted in Sofia, Bulgaria by:

   - Pensoft <https://pensoft.net/>,
   - National Museum of Natural History <https://www.nmnhs.com/>, Bulgarian
   Academy of Sciences <https://www.bas.bg/?lang=en>, and
   - Institute of Biodiversity and Ecosystem Research
   <http://www.iber.bas.bg/>, Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
   <https://www.bas.bg/?lang=en>,

Essential early information has been posted on the conference website
<https://www.tdwg.org/conferences/2022/> (
https://www.tdwg.org/conferences/2022/) . Additional information will be
posted as it becomes available.

We invite you to submit a proposal <https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CYK8HPR>
 (https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CYK8HPR) for an organized session at TDWG
2022 reflecting the conference theme, "Stronger Together: Standards for
linking biodiversity data." Organized sessions can take the form of a
symposium, panel discussion, or another format in which the primary purpose
is to convey information and engage the audience. Session proposers will be
responsible for soliciting and coordinating presentations, reviewing and
approving abstracts, and moderating their proposed session(s). We recommend
at least one session organizer should be present at the in-person meeting
if possible. Every symposium and presentation listed in the program must
have an abstract, which will be published in our open access journal,
*Biodiversity
Information Science and Standards <https://biss.pensoft.net/>*, as part of
the *Proceedings of TDWG 2022
<https://www.tdwg.org/conferences/2022/call-for-organized-sessions/>*.
Presenters must be registered for the conference.

Please note, priority will be given to proposals that address the
conference theme. If your proposal is accepted, your session title and
description will be posted (subject to editing for clarity and length) on
the TDWG 2022 conference website.

Submission (hard) deadline: 15 April 2022

Please contact the conference organizers with any questions.

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From blayjorge at gmail.com  Fri Mar  4 12:03:16 2022
From: blayjorge at gmail.com (Jorge A. Santiago-Blay)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 12:03:16 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Requesting experience-based recommendations on vacuum
 devices to collect insects
Message-ID: <CAGBdDuCR0uCq9JW0uenBisgJJ3BU3ULsUUDUviBEBjJAMM3AgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues:

I am requesting experience-based recommendations on vacuum devices that are
powerful, battery operated, light weight, and with extensions that allow
the user to reach higher up unto the plant to collect insects. If you have
constructive suggestions, please email me. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Jorge
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From msc.ghafouri at gmail.com  Fri Mar  4 12:09:37 2022
From: msc.ghafouri at gmail.com (Mostafa Ghafouri Moghaddam)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 20:39:37 +0330
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Requesting experience-based recommendations on
 vacuum devices to collect insects
In-Reply-To: <CAGBdDuCR0uCq9JW0uenBisgJJ3BU3ULsUUDUviBEBjJAMM3AgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGBdDuCR0uCq9JW0uenBisgJJ3BU3ULsUUDUviBEBjJAMM3AgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALWbHWoaCKbmgf1fEMZct=ZBu_-6vEDvCC7N6E-cKABrtVhWVg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jorge,

Please see the following link for acquiring a new idea for yourself.

*Hand-held electric Aspirator "ElePooter": A cheap and efficient device for
collecting insects <https://jibs.modares.ac.ir/article-36-5383-en.pdf>*

Peace,
Mostafa

-- 

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Unaffiliated Entomologist ? Zahedan, Iran

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From jbandjb at live.com  Fri Mar  4 14:16:49 2022
From: jbandjb at live.com (James Bryant)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 12:16:49 -0700
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Fwd: Safeguarding the Cultural and Historical Heritage
 of Ukraine
References: <03b3a7331c754d6f838d868bc9f856b5@smithsonianonline.org>
Message-ID: <SJ0PR14MB4599367970170C5B86CD3DABC8059@SJ0PR14MB4599.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>


James Bryant
SOJOURN Science - Nature - Education
Santa Fe, NM
https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-bryant-0598a940/


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "SMITHSONIAN" <enews at smithsonianonline.org>
> Subject: Safeguarding the Cultural and Historical Heritage of Ukraine
> Date: March 4, 2022 at 12:13:18 PM MST
> To: "James Bryant" <jbandjb at live.com>
> Reply-To: SMITHSONIAN <enews at smithsonianonline.org>
> 
> 		
> 		
> 	
> 
> Dear James, 
> 
> As the tragic invasion of Ukraine unfolds before our eyes, the Smithsonian stands with the people of Ukraine during their most urgent time of need. As an institution, we are working on ways we can most effectively help, including developing plans with our partners to host displaced and at-risk scholars. 
> 
> Compounding the humanitarian crisis is a threat to irreplaceable cultural heritage, abundant in a nation home to seven world heritage sites. The Ivankiv Historical and Local History Museum, including many works by noted Ukrainian artist Maria Prymachenko, has already been destroyed in the war. And a missile hit the site of the Babyn Yar Holocaust Memorial outside Kyiv that honors the 33,000 Jewish people killed by Nazis there during World War II. 
> 
> As a national and international cultural institution, it is the Smithsonian?s mission to help protect architecture, artifacts, and other objects of cultural and religious heritage from natural disasters, climate change, political instability, and wars. Our experts work with a large network of domestic and international museums, regional organizations, localized NGOs, and government agencies to preserve cultural heritage, resources we are bringing to bear on the ground in Ukraine. 
> 
> Our Smithsonian Cultural Rescue Initiative (SCRI) is in communication with contacts in-country who have participated in previous First Aid for Cultural Heritage in Times of Crisis coursework. SCRI also continues its work with the Cultural Heritage Monitoring Lab, our research partnership with the Virginia Museum of Natural History, which is using geospatial information system data to assess damage to cultural sites. We remain in active contact with our interagency partners through the Cultural Heritage Coordinating Committee chaired by the US Department of State and continue to facilitate the sharing of data and knowledge. 
> 
> Cultural preservation is vital to the Smithsonian because culture itself is vital to our shared future. The beauty of Ukraine?s art, architecture, literature, and music has flourished for decades; its museums are some of the most revered in Europe. If we are to attain a time when people of all cultures, faiths, and nationalities can peacefully coexist, we must first understand ourselves and each other. Cultural heritage like that of the Ukrainian people helps us do so. When we lose irreplaceable history and culture, it is a profound loss to us all. If we instead work together to celebrate, share, and protect cultural heritage, we are ensuring the triumph of our humanity. 
> 
> Lonnie G. Bunch III 
> Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution 
> 
> 
> 
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From FURTHD at si.edu  Fri Mar  4 14:43:16 2022
From: FURTHD at si.edu (Furth, David)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 19:43:16 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Requesting experience-based recommendations on
 vacuum devices to collect insects
Message-ID: <MN2PR12MB3952B144F93DDC0F307F6C0FA3059@MN2PR12MB3952.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

D-VAC machine backpack, in use for decades, but maybe not as light or convenient as you may want.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


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From: "Jorge A. Santiago-Blay" <blayjorge at gmail.com>
Date: 3/4/22 19:03 (GMT+02:00)
To: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Requesting experience-based recommendations on vacuum devices to collect insects

External Email - Exercise Caution
Dear Colleagues:

I am requesting experience-based recommendations on vacuum devices that are powerful, battery operated, light weight, and with extensions that allow the user to reach higher up unto the plant to collect insects. If you have constructive suggestions, please email me. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Jorge
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From rebecca.hawkins at ku.edu  Sat Mar  5 17:10:54 2022
From: rebecca.hawkins at ku.edu (Hawkins, Rebecca Keanni)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 22:10:54 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How to display herbarium specimens without color fading
Message-ID: <CY4PR01MB24700AD3F329C7D1D0B8011280069@CY4PR01MB2470.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Hello everyone,

Is there a way to display herbarium specimens without color fading? As I understand it, exposing an herbarium specimen to sunlight (and maybe even artificial light?) will cause the specimen's colors to fade to various shades of brown. This question isn't for any specific project or exhibition, just something I've been curious about ever since I helped an herbarium make a small university display and its specimens turned brown after a few months of summer sun.

I did try an informal experiment where I put an herbarium specimen in a glass picture frame with UV blocking window film. However, the specimen's color faded just as fast as a control specimen without the film. This suggests that there was fault with the film itself or my application of it, or even that UV light alone is not what is causing the color of herbarium specimens to fade.

Any ideas? Thanks!

Rebecca Hawkins (she/her)
M.A. Student in Museum Studies
University of Kansas
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From jessica.bazeley at yale.edu  Mon Mar  7 08:36:04 2022
From: jessica.bazeley at yale.edu (Utrup, Jessica)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 13:36:04 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] NHCOLL:  Brought to you by SPNHC
Message-ID: <BL3PR08MB7420F9DC5EA6421F787FD13B97089@BL3PR08MB7420.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

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We depend on list members to provide only those postings that are appropriate to the subject matter, which includes topics such as collections administration, collections care, computerization, conservation, and management. Both policy and practical discussions are appropriate. Information of all kinds is welcome, however, advertising is inappropriate.



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The Society hosts annual meetings and sponsors symposia and workshops to foster the exchange of ideas and information. Member benefits also include the society's peer-reviewed journal, Collection Forum, a biannual newsletter and a wealth of content on our website at www.spnhc.org<http://www.spnhc.org>.



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From maru.digi at gmail.com  Mon Mar  7 09:37:54 2022
From: maru.digi at gmail.com (Mariana Di Giacomo)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 09:37:54 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How to display herbarium specimens without color
 fading
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR01MB24700AD3F329C7D1D0B8011280069@CY4PR01MB2470.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <CY4PR01MB24700AD3F329C7D1D0B8011280069@CY4PR01MB2470.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <CAHKzzYyUv+TvcEtyuiR2FoddrNLN2t+tTpgof7t_ZfXirKxcMA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Rebecca,

Your experiment was great to show that UV light is not the only source of
radiation responsible for the fading of museum objects or specimens.
Visible light is also to blame, especially if the light levels are too
high. I would recommend you take a look at this great source of
information:
https://www.canada.ca/en/conservation-institute/services/agents-deterioration/light.html

Best,
Mariana

*Mariana Di Giacomo, PhD*
*Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum*
Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC
Secretary/Communications APOYOnline



El dom, 6 mar 2022 a las 15:57, Hawkins, Rebecca Keanni (<
rebecca.hawkins at ku.edu>) escribi?:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Is there a way to display herbarium specimens without color fading? As I
> understand it, exposing an herbarium specimen to sunlight (and maybe even
> artificial light?) will cause the specimen's colors to fade to various
> shades of brown. This question isn't for any specific project or
> exhibition, just something I've been curious about ever since I helped an
> herbarium make a small university display and its specimens turned brown
> after a few months of summer sun.
>
> I did try an informal experiment where I put an herbarium specimen in a
> glass picture frame with UV blocking window film. However, the specimen's
> color faded just as fast as a control specimen without the film. This
> suggests that there was fault with the film itself or my application of it,
> or even that UV light alone is not what is causing the color of herbarium
> specimens to fade.
>
> Any ideas? Thanks!
>
> Rebecca Hawkins (she/her)
> M.A. Student in Museum Studies
> University of Kansas
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From rw at protectheritage.com  Mon Mar  7 11:58:50 2022
From: rw at protectheritage.com (Robert Waller)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 16:58:50 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How to display herbarium specimens without color
 fading
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR01MB24700AD3F329C7D1D0B8011280069@CY4PR01MB2470.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <CY4PR01MB24700AD3F329C7D1D0B8011280069@CY4PR01MB2470.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <YQBPR0101MB5080606E685619A6BA44FB5ADA089@YQBPR0101MB5080.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Rebecca,
Always good to try some informal experiments. Indeed, it is not surprising that filtering UV would not reduce fading rate. It is interesting to compare how chlorophyll "sees" light with how people see light (see, for example, https://www.demegrow.com/blogs/research/70623171-what-plants-see-separating-lumens-from-effective-par-epar)
In a broad Getty Conservation Institute study (attached) removing oxygen during exposure led to a 10 to 20 times reduction in discoloration of herbarium specimens provided by the Canadian Museum of Nature. That seems like a pretty good reduction but, when you think about it, that just changes the lifetime on exhibit from a few months to a few years. Strategies to limit light levels and exposure times would help and I can imagine some other strategies to reduce loss in value (perhaps protecting a part of the specimen from light would reduce the loss of value by keeping that part unaltered). I think that would be interesting to discuss with curators, researchers, and other collection users but I think we do best to consider display of herbarium specimens  a consumptive use of the color of those specimens.
Rob
Robert Waller, PhD, CAPC, FIIC
President and Senior Risk Analyst
Protect Heritage Corp.
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Hawkins, Rebecca Keanni
Sent: March 5, 2022 5:11 PM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How to display herbarium specimens without color fading

Hello everyone,

Is there a way to display herbarium specimens without color fading? As I understand it, exposing an herbarium specimen to sunlight (and maybe even artificial light?) will cause the specimen's colors to fade to various shades of brown. This question isn't for any specific project or exhibition, just something I've been curious about ever since I helped an herbarium make a small university display and its specimens turned brown after a few months of summer sun.

I did try an informal experiment where I put an herbarium specimen in a glass picture frame with UV blocking window film. However, the specimen's color faded just as fast as a control specimen without the film. This suggests that there was fault with the film itself or my application of it, or even that UV light alone is not what is causing the color of herbarium specimens to fade.

Any ideas? Thanks!

Rebecca Hawkins (she/her)
M.A. Student in Museum Studies
University of Kansas
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From Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee  Mon Mar  7 12:09:35 2022
From: Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee (Lennart Lennuk)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 17:09:35 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How to display herbarium specimens without color
 fading
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Dear Rebecca,

We have hired an artist to paint the herbarium specimens for exhibiting. Special colors are used but I don?t know exactly what ? I can ask if you are interested. There is no ohter way of exposing herbarium specimens for longer period in my knowledge.

Best regards
Lennart Lennuk
Head of collections
Estonian Museum of Natural History
(+372) 6603404, 56569916


From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Waller
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 6:59 PM
To: Hawkins, Rebecca Keanni <rebecca.hawkins at ku.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] How to display herbarium specimens without color fading


Kiri on saadetud v?ljastpoolt valitsemisala. ?rge avage kirjaga kaasa tulnud linke v?i manuseid enne, kui olete saatja ?igsuses ja sisu turvalisuses kindel.
Hi Rebecca,
Always good to try some informal experiments. Indeed, it is not surprising that filtering UV would not reduce fading rate. It is interesting to compare how chlorophyll ?sees? light with how people see light (see, for example, https://www.demegrow.com/blogs/research/70623171-what-plants-see-separating-lumens-from-effective-par-epar)
In a broad Getty Conservation Institute study (attached) removing oxygen during exposure led to a 10 to 20 times reduction in discoloration of herbarium specimens provided by the Canadian Museum of Nature. That seems like a pretty good reduction but, when you think about it, that just changes the lifetime on exhibit from a few months to a few years. Strategies to limit light levels and exposure times would help and I can imagine some other strategies to reduce loss in value (perhaps protecting a part of the specimen from light would reduce the loss of value by keeping that part unaltered). I think that would be interesting to discuss with curators, researchers, and other collection users but I think we do best to consider display of herbarium specimens  a consumptive use of the color of those specimens.
Rob
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Hawkins, Rebecca Keanni
Sent: March 5, 2022 5:11 PM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How to display herbarium specimens without color fading

Hello everyone,

Is there a way to display herbarium specimens without color fading? As I understand it, exposing an herbarium specimen to sunlight (and maybe even artificial light?) will cause the specimen's colors to fade to various shades of brown. This question isn't for any specific project or exhibition, just something I've been curious about ever since I helped an herbarium make a small university display and its specimens turned brown after a few months of summer sun.

I did try an informal experiment where I put an herbarium specimen in a glass picture frame with UV blocking window film. However, the specimen's color faded just as fast as a control specimen without the film. This suggests that there was fault with the film itself or my application of it, or even that UV light alone is not what is causing the color of herbarium specimens to fade.

Any ideas? Thanks!

Rebecca Hawkins (she/her)
M.A. Student in Museum Studies
University of Kansas
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From sarah.taylor at uconn.edu  Mon Mar  7 12:37:13 2022
From: sarah.taylor at uconn.edu (Taylor, Sarah)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 17:37:13 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How to display herbarium specimens without color
 fading
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Hi Rebecca,

I'm not aware of a way to display herbarium specimens without fading. When we have specimens that we want to put on display without causing fading, we have our graphics department print out life-size high-resolution photos of herbarium sheets to use instead of the specimens themselves. Behind the glass of a display case, and at the distance that viewers typically stand, it can be pretty convincing.

Cheers,
Sarah

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From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Hawkins, Rebecca Keanni
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2022 5:11 PM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How to display herbarium specimens without color fading

*Message sent from a system outside of UConn.*

Hello everyone,

Is there a way to display herbarium specimens without color fading? As I understand it, exposing an herbarium specimen to sunlight (and maybe even artificial light?) will cause the specimen's colors to fade to various shades of brown. This question isn't for any specific project or exhibition, just something I've been curious about ever since I helped an herbarium make a small university display and its specimens turned brown after a few months of summer sun.

I did try an informal experiment where I put an herbarium specimen in a glass picture frame with UV blocking window film. However, the specimen's color faded just as fast as a control specimen without the film. This suggests that there was fault with the film itself or my application of it, or even that UV light alone is not what is causing the color of herbarium specimens to fade.

Any ideas? Thanks!

Rebecca Hawkins (she/her)
M.A. Student in Museum Studies
University of Kansas
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From neumann at snsb.de  Mon Mar  7 13:00:00 2022
From: neumann at snsb.de (Dirk Neumann)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 19:00:00 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How to display herbarium specimens without color
 fading
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Hi Rob and all,

interesting point about the presence of oxygen; doesn't this point to 
oxidative degradation of carotenoids and chlorins and oxygen as an 
mediator for fading ?

With best wishes
Dirk


Am 07.03.2022 um 17:58 schrieb Robert Waller:
>
> Hi Rebecca,
>
> Always good to try some informal experiments. Indeed, it is not 
> surprising that filtering UV would not reduce fading rate. It is 
> interesting to compare how chlorophyll ?sees? light with how people 
> see light (see, for example, 
> https://www.demegrow.com/blogs/research/70623171-what-plants-see-separating-lumens-from-effective-par-epar)
>
> In a broad Getty Conservation Institute study (attached) removing 
> oxygen during exposure led to a 10 to 20 times reduction in 
> discoloration of herbarium specimens provided by the Canadian Museum 
> of Nature. That seems like a pretty good reduction but, when you think 
> about it, that just changes the lifetime on exhibit from a few months 
> to a few years. Strategies to limit light levels and exposure times 
> would help and I can imagine some other strategies to reduce loss in 
> value (perhaps protecting a part of the specimen from light would 
> reduce the loss of value by keeping that part unaltered). I think that 
> would be interesting to discuss with curators, researchers, and other 
> collection users but I think we do best to consider display of 
> herbarium specimens ?a consumptive use of the color of those specimens.
>
> Rob
>
> Robert Waller, PhD, CAPC, FIIC
> President and Senior Risk Analyst
> Protect Heritage Corp.
> 622 Simoneau Way
> Ottawa? ON? K4A 1P4
> email: rw at protectheritage.com <mailto:rw at protectheritage.com>
> internet: www.protectheritage.com <http://www.protectheritage.com/>
> phone: 613-883-2707 (Canada)
> phone: 303-872-9739 (USA)
> http://orcid.org/0000-0002-9500-4113 
> <http://orcid.org/0000-0002-9500-4113>
>
> skype: rrwaller
>
> /and, /Research Associate, Canadian Museum of Nature
> /and,/ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Queen?s University
> iic_fellowship_logo_2019
> ProtectHeritage_logo 
> <http://www.protectheritage.com/>QueensLogo_colour cmn_logo 
> <http://www.nature.ca/>
>
> image007 
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> <https://twitter.com/#!/ProtectHeritage>
>
> *From:*Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of 
> *Hawkins, Rebecca Keanni
> *Sent:* March 5, 2022 5:11 PM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] How to display herbarium specimens without color 
> fading
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Is there a way to display herbarium specimens without color fading? As 
> I understand it, exposing an herbarium specimen to sunlight (and maybe 
> even artificial light?) will cause the specimen's colors to fade to 
> various shades of brown. This question isn't for any specific project 
> or exhibition, just something I've been curious about ever since I 
> helped an herbarium make a small university display and its specimens 
> turned brown after a few months of summer sun.
>
> I did try an informal experiment where I put an herbarium specimen in 
> a glass picture frame with UV blocking window film. However, the 
> specimen's color faded just as fast as a control specimen without the 
> film. This suggests that there was fault with the film itself or my 
> application of it, or even that UV light alone is not what is causing 
> the color of herbarium specimens to fade.
>
> Any ideas? Thanks!
>
> Rebecca Hawkins (she/her)
>
> M.A. Student in Museum Studies
>
> University of Kansas
>
>
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From lcipera at nature.ca  Mon Mar  7 13:00:34 2022
From: lcipera at nature.ca (Luci Cipera)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 18:00:34 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: How to display herbarium specimens without
 color fading
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Hi Rebecca,

I see that Rob beat me with a great response on light fading of herbariums specimens on exhibit.  I will follow up with how we display herbarium specimens today at the Canadian Museum of Nature.

There really is no ?safe? way to display plant specimens on exhibit.  Especially when dealing with long term display.  At the Canadian Museum of Nature, we only display specimens from our herbarium for short temporary exhibitions. We have done Microfade testing in the past to help us recommend safe light levels and length of display for some of our specimens.  Our conclusion was that plant specimens from our collections are not to be used for any long-term exhibitions.  We use two solutions for displaying plant specimens in permanent or long-term exhibitions.
1) we collect and prepare specimens specifically for the exhibition.   We also have back up plants for replacement if there is any fading over time.
2) for the display the display of specific herbarium specimens from our collection (historic, type specimens, etc.), we have started to use prints of the herbarium sheets.  We use high quality scans and printing to create very realistic herbarium sheet prints for display (they look like the real thing when on display). The exhibit clearly identifies the herbarium sheets as prints on the display labels.

These two options help us display more herbarium specimens without the risk of loss of colour and value to the specimens from our collections.

Luci

Luci Cipera
Conservator, Collection Services and Information Management
Conservatrice-restauratrice, Service des collections et gestion de l?information
Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature
613-364-4079
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To: Hawkins, Rebecca Keanni <rebecca.hawkins at ku.edu>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] How to display herbarium specimens without color fading

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Hi Rebecca,
Always good to try some informal experiments. Indeed, it is not surprising that filtering UV would not reduce fading rate. It is interesting to compare how chlorophyll ?sees? light with how people see light (see, for example, https://www.demegrow.com/blogs/research/70623171-what-plants-see-separating-lumens-from-effective-par-epar)
In a broad Getty Conservation Institute study (attached) removing oxygen during exposure led to a 10 to 20 times reduction in discoloration of herbarium specimens provided by the Canadian Museum of Nature. That seems like a pretty good reduction but, when you think about it, that just changes the lifetime on exhibit from a few months to a few years. Strategies to limit light levels and exposure times would help and I can imagine some other strategies to reduce loss in value (perhaps protecting a part of the specimen from light would reduce the loss of value by keeping that part unaltered). I think that would be interesting to discuss with curators, researchers, and other collection users but I think we do best to consider display of herbarium specimens  a consumptive use of the color of those specimens.
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Hawkins, Rebecca Keanni
Sent: March 5, 2022 5:11 PM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How to display herbarium specimens without color fading

Hello everyone,

Is there a way to display herbarium specimens without color fading? As I understand it, exposing an herbarium specimen to sunlight (and maybe even artificial light?) will cause the specimen's colors to fade to various shades of brown. This question isn't for any specific project or exhibition, just something I've been curious about ever since I helped an herbarium make a small university display and its specimens turned brown after a few months of summer sun.

I did try an informal experiment where I put an herbarium specimen in a glass picture frame with UV blocking window film. However, the specimen's color faded just as fast as a control specimen without the film. This suggests that there was fault with the film itself or my application of it, or even that UV light alone is not what is causing the color of herbarium specimens to fade.

Any ideas? Thanks!

Rebecca Hawkins (she/her)
M.A. Student in Museum Studies
University of Kansas

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From battermann at snsb.de  Tue Mar  8 04:42:59 2022
From: battermann at snsb.de (Battermann, Nora)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2022 10:42:59 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of donated
 collections?
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Dear all,

I thought this a very interesting discussion but understand that it 
mainly concerned US institutions. I'd be interested to hear from 
European institutions too - how do you estimate the values of donated 
collections? I am not aware of a list of appraisers who specialize in 
natural history collections in Germany for example and wonder how other 
institutions handle acquisitions, especially donations.

Greetings from sunny Munich,
Nora

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Am 2022-02-28 19:50, schrieb Tacker, Christopher:
> Everyone has offered good advice here.
> 
> Apart from conflicts of interest, the one that does the appraisal
> stands to get involved with the state or federal tax enforcement. If
> the appraisal is called into question, that represents a nearly
> limitless time sink in hearings or in court.
> 
> We tell donors that we will work with whatever appraiser they
> designate. We still get offers of "I'll donate this if you'll get me
> an appraisal for X amount of money." That's a big "no, thank you."
> 
> Chris Tacker
> 
> Chris Tacker, Ph.D., P.G.
> Research Curator of Geology
> North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences
> 11 West Jones St. | Raleigh, NC  27601
> 
> Emails to and from this address are subject to NC Public Records Law
> and may be disclosed to third parties.
> -------------------------
> 
> From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of
> Taylor, Sarah <sarah.taylor at uconn.edu>
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 9:32:38 AM
> To: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> Subject: [External] [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of
> donated collections?
> 
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> Good morning all,
> 
> A colleague at a regional museum reached out to ask me for advice on
> how to estimate the value of a collection of donated birds (mostly
> skins, some taxidermy mounts). He?s not interested in individual
> values for each piece, but a big picture ?lump sum.? I?m sure
> this has come up on the listserve before, but I haven?t been able to
> locate it. If anyone has ideas or can point me in the direction of a
> resource to send to my colleague, I?d really appreciate it! I have
> no appraisal skills myself ? and I?m a botanist ? so I?m at a
> total loss on my end.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Sarah
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Sarah Taylor, PhD
> 
> Collections Manager, CONN
> 
> George Safford Torrey Herbarium
> Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
> University of Connecticut
> 75 North Eagleville Road, Unit 3043
> Storrs, Connecticut 06269-3043
> U.S.A.
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From mf.meister at unistra.fr  Tue Mar  8 06:20:02 2022
From: mf.meister at unistra.fr (Marie Meister)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 12:20:02 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] question about an inidentified collector
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Hello,

I work in a french (formerly german) museum of zoology and have a 
question about one collector for whom we have ABSOLUTELY no information.

We just have a last name: GISSELBRECHT, but have plenty of his collects.
They are all marine invertebrates collected in Bergen Norway 1909, and 
Triest 1911.

If you have ever met this guy in your inventories and know better, we 
would be pleased to read about him!
Many thanks in advance,

Marie

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From Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee  Tue Mar  8 06:40:23 2022
From: Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee (Lennart Lennuk)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 11:40:23 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
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Hi!

Can you please suggest good monitoring systems for collections in Europe.
What do I need (internet cable, wifi, electricity) to install the loggers into collections?

Best regards!
Lennart Lennuk
Head of collections
Estonian Museum of Natural History
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From hannu at bioshare.com  Tue Mar  8 06:48:38 2022
From: hannu at bioshare.com (Hannu Saarenmaa)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 13:48:38 +0200
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of donated
 collections?
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The answer is "nil". In computer science terms that means it does not 
exist.? Nil also means "infinite".

Museum objects are irreplaceable. So there is no commercial value.? Or 
something that can be insured. Natural science collections cannot be 
insured.

My company bioshare.com regularly sends collections over the European 
Union border, for digitization, that is. While doing that, we have to 
put something in the customs forms. And to inform our insurance 
company.?? So we put there the value of the paper sheets which carry the 
[invaluable] herbarium sheets, or other objects.?? That currently is 28? 
per specimen. Do not laugh.? This is how it works.

Anyway, I still prefer to report "nil" or zero value for the 
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On 2022-03-08 11:42, Battermann, Nora wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I thought this a very interesting discussion but understand that it 
> mainly concerned US institutions. I'd be interested to hear from 
> European institutions too - how do you estimate the values of donated 
> collections? I am not aware of a list of appraisers who specialize in 
> natural history collections in Germany for example and wonder how 
> other institutions handle acquisitions, especially donations.
>
> Greetings from sunny Munich,
> Nora
>
> ---
> Dr. Nora Battermann
> Koordination Sammlungsassessment
> ---------------------------
> Kaulbachstr. 37, III. Stock
> D-80539 M?nchen
>
> Telefon:
> +49 (0)174 2762445
> ---------------------------
> www.snsb.de
>
> Am 2022-02-28 19:50, schrieb Tacker, Christopher:
>> Everyone has offered good advice here.
>>
>> Apart from conflicts of interest, the one that does the appraisal
>> stands to get involved with the state or federal tax enforcement. If
>> the appraisal is called into question, that represents a nearly
>> limitless time sink in hearings or in court.
>>
>> We tell donors that we will work with whatever appraiser they
>> designate. We still get offers of "I'll donate this if you'll get me
>> an appraisal for X amount of money." That's a big "no, thank you."
>>
>> Chris Tacker
>>
>> Chris Tacker, Ph.D., P.G.
>> Research Curator of Geology
>> North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences
>> 11 West Jones St. | Raleigh, NC? 27601
>>
>> Emails to and from this address are subject to NC Public Records Law
>> and may be disclosed to third parties.
>> -------------------------
>>
>> From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of
>> Taylor, Sarah <sarah.taylor at uconn.edu>
>> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 9:32:38 AM
>> To: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
>> Subject: [External] [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of
>> donated collections?
>>
>> ?CAUTION: External email. Do not click links or open attachments
>> unless you verify. Send all suspicious email as an attachment to
>> Report Spam.
>>
>> Good morning all,
>>
>> A colleague at a regional museum reached out to ask me for advice on
>> how to estimate the value of a collection of donated birds (mostly
>> skins, some taxidermy mounts). He?s not interested in individual
>> values for each piece, but a big picture ?lump sum.? I?m sure
>> this has come up on the listserve before, but I haven?t been able to
>> locate it. If anyone has ideas or can point me in the direction of a
>> resource to send to my colleague, I?d really appreciate it! I have
>> no appraisal skills myself ? and I?m a botanist ? so I?m at a
>> total loss on my end.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Sarah Taylor, PhD
>>
>> Collections Manager, CONN
>>
>> George Safford Torrey Herbarium
>> Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
>> University of Connecticut
>> 75 North Eagleville Road, Unit 3043
>> Storrs, Connecticut 06269-3043
>> U.S.A.
>>
>> P: 860.486.1889
>> F: 860.486.4320
>> http://bgbaseserver.eeb.uconn.edu/ [1]
>>
>>
>>
>> Links:
>> ------
>> [1] 
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://bgbaseserver.eeb.uconn.edu/__;!!HYmSToo!I6nElQUoJoUICzaKeTqJnoPt_kh_FM6_Vt5OyeMThersS_zBQNfJjvdk_pY74SVV0SJwqEKeLfNIOg$
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>> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of
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>> society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information.
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From rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu  Tue Mar  8 09:01:12 2022
From: rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu (Rob Robins)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 14:01:12 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Moving and Improving the Florida Museum Fish Collection
 (UF)
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The Florida Museum Fish Collection at the University of Florida (https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/fish/) is moving!

The Fish Collection, second only to the National Museum of Natural History in specimen records (cataloged lots), will relocate to a new purpose-built facility adjacent to the Florida Museum's exhibit hall.

This facility will house all the Florida Museum's fluid preserved collections and associated laboratories.

Building construction progress can be viewed here:

https://share.earthcam.net/tJ90CoLmq7TzrY396Yd88KdH9l_hZrAuTxZWi-3z1bw/uf-373_special_collections/camera/live

To accommodate the move, effective Mar 8, 2022, normal Fish Collection operations are suspended. These include:


  *   Visitation
  *   Outgoing loans and incoming loan returns
  *   Cataloging of new materials
  *   Checking determinations/identifications of fish collection specimens

If you have overdue loan materials but can continue to provide proper care for the specimens we ask that you request an extension for your loan(s).
If you cannot continue to provide proper care/are leaving the institution to which your loan is addressed, etc., please reach out to us to make special arrangements to return the UF material you have.

The movement and improvement of the fish collection is expected to take 3 years.

Resumption of the above activities should be possible in 12 - 18 months, pending further notice.

Contact information:

Larry Page
Curator of Fishes
lpage at flmnh.ufl.edu<mailto:lpage at flmnh.ufl.edu>

Rob Robins
Collection Manager
rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu<mailto:rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu>

A better facility that will offer better service to the scientific community and the public lays ahead!

Thank you for your understanding.

Best wishes,

Rob Robins

Robert H. Robins
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Division of Ichthyology
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Florida Museum
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Search the Collection:
http://specifyportal.flmnh.ufl.edu/fishes/

Search samples suitable for dna analysis:
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From abentley at ku.edu  Tue Mar  8 09:26:55 2022
From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 14:26:55 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
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Lennart

I would suggest HOBO recorders from Onset.  There are various different models that are battery operated and can be downloaded through Bluetooth connection to your smartphone for transfer to your computer.  They also have an LCD display for real time monitoring.

The ones that we use for monitoring our collection spaces are these:  https://www.onsetcomp.com/products/data-loggers/mx1101

We have been using them for a long time and they are great.  Small enough to monitor microclimates within cases as well as entire rooms.

Andy
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2022 5:40 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment

Hi!

Can you please suggest good monitoring systems for collections in Europe.
What do I need (internet cable, wifi, electricity) to install the loggers into collections?

Best regards!
Lennart Lennuk
Head of collections
Estonian Museum of Natural History
+372 6603404, 56569916




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From neumann at snsb.de  Tue Mar  8 12:38:55 2022
From: neumann at snsb.de (Dirk Neumann)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 18:38:55 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of donated
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Dear Hannu,

1? would be better; within the EU (and the single market) you have no 
customs borders anyway, and if you need to send materials to Norway, 
Switzerland or Iceland, 1? would be preferable to avoid import taxes. 
Usually, the threshold for import tax is low (until the most recent 
amendment this year, the minor threshold value was 22?). Colleagues were 
charged recently few cent because the declared value was 5? ...

With best wishes
Dirk

Am 08.03.2022 um 12:48 schrieb Hannu Saarenmaa:
> The answer is "nil". In computer science terms that means it does not 
> exist.? Nil also means "infinite".
>
> Museum objects are irreplaceable. So there is no commercial value.? Or 
> something that can be insured. Natural science collections cannot be 
> insured.
>
> My company bioshare.com regularly sends collections over the European 
> Union border, for digitization, that is. While doing that, we have to 
> put something in the customs forms. And to inform our insurance 
> company.?? So we put there the value of the paper sheets which carry 
> the [invaluable] herbarium sheets, or other objects.?? That currently 
> is 28? per specimen. Do not laugh.? This is how it works.
>
> Anyway, I still prefer to report "nil" or zero value for the 
> irreplaceable.? If I can.
>
> Hannu Saarenmaa www.bioshare.com
>
> On 2022-03-08 11:42, Battermann, Nora wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I thought this a very interesting discussion but understand that it 
>> mainly concerned US institutions. I'd be interested to hear from 
>> European institutions too - how do you estimate the values of donated 
>> collections? I am not aware of a list of appraisers who specialize in 
>> natural history collections in Germany for example and wonder how 
>> other institutions handle acquisitions, especially donations.
>>
>> Greetings from sunny Munich,
>> Nora
>>
>> ---
>> Dr. Nora Battermann
>> Koordination Sammlungsassessment
>> ---------------------------
>> Kaulbachstr. 37, III. Stock
>> D-80539 M?nchen
>>
>> Telefon:
>> +49 (0)174 2762445
>> ---------------------------
>> www.snsb.de
>>
>> Am 2022-02-28 19:50, schrieb Tacker, Christopher:
>>> Everyone has offered good advice here.
>>>
>>> Apart from conflicts of interest, the one that does the appraisal
>>> stands to get involved with the state or federal tax enforcement. If
>>> the appraisal is called into question, that represents a nearly
>>> limitless time sink in hearings or in court.
>>>
>>> We tell donors that we will work with whatever appraiser they
>>> designate. We still get offers of "I'll donate this if you'll get me
>>> an appraisal for X amount of money." That's a big "no, thank you."
>>>
>>> Chris Tacker
>>>
>>> Chris Tacker, Ph.D., P.G.
>>> Research Curator of Geology
>>> North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences
>>> 11 West Jones St. | Raleigh, NC? 27601
>>>
>>> Emails to and from this address are subject to NC Public Records Law
>>> and may be disclosed to third parties.
>>> -------------------------
>>>
>>> From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of
>>> Taylor, Sarah <sarah.taylor at uconn.edu>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 9:32:38 AM
>>> To: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
>>> Subject: [External] [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of
>>> donated collections?
>>>
>>> ?CAUTION: External email. Do not click links or open attachments
>>> unless you verify. Send all suspicious email as an attachment to
>>> Report Spam.
>>>
>>> Good morning all,
>>>
>>> A colleague at a regional museum reached out to ask me for advice on
>>> how to estimate the value of a collection of donated birds (mostly
>>> skins, some taxidermy mounts). He?s not interested in individual
>>> values for each piece, but a big picture ?lump sum.? I?m sure
>>> this has come up on the listserve before, but I haven?t been able to
>>> locate it. If anyone has ideas or can point me in the direction of a
>>> resource to send to my colleague, I?d really appreciate it! I have
>>> no appraisal skills myself ? and I?m a botanist ? so I?m at a
>>> total loss on my end.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Sarah Taylor, PhD
>>>
>>> Collections Manager, CONN
>>>
>>> George Safford Torrey Herbarium
>>> Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
>>> University of Connecticut
>>> 75 North Eagleville Road, Unit 3043
>>> Storrs, Connecticut 06269-3043
>>> U.S.A.
>>>
>>> P: 860.486.1889
>>> F: 860.486.4320
>>> http://bgbaseserver.eeb.uconn.edu/ [1]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Links:
>>> ------
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Postanschrift:

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81247 M?nchen

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From mdim at gnhm.gr  Wed Mar  9 02:11:40 2022
From: mdim at gnhm.gr (Maria Dimaki)
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Dear all,



indeed, it is a very interesting subject! The last years, I am asked about the economic value of specimens or collections. Usually from donators, for insurance, or other administrative reasons. My answer is always that each specimen is priceless and that it is impossible to define the value of a natural history museum collection in euros.

If the person insists, I answer that is definitely not our job to ?tag? a prize on specimens or collection and he should address to the tax office (and I am sure that they know nothing on the subject, in Greece).


For some time know, I believe that, we should establish a method to estimate the value of Natural History Collections based on their scientific, cultural and educational value, by using appropriate criteria and a scoring system.

Best wishes
Maria





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Dr. Maria Dimaki
Collections Manager
In Charge of the Department of Terrestrial Zoology
Goulandris Natural History Museum
100, Othonos St. Kifissia, GR 145 62, Greece

???: Dirk Neumann<mailto:neumann at snsb.de>
????????: ?????, 8 ??????? 2022 7:39 ??
????: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
????: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of donated collections?

Dear Hannu,

1? would be better; within the EU (and the single market) you have no customs borders anyway, and if you need to send materials to Norway, Switzerland or Iceland, 1? would be preferable to avoid import taxes. Usually, the threshold for import tax is low (until the most recent amendment this year, the minor threshold value was 22?). Colleagues were charged recently few cent because the declared value was 5? ...

With best wishes
Dirk

Am 08.03.2022 um 12:48 schrieb Hannu Saarenmaa:
The answer is "nil". In computer science terms that means it does not exist.  Nil also means "infinite".

Museum objects are irreplaceable. So there is no commercial value.  Or something that can be insured. Natural science collections cannot be insured.

My company bioshare.com regularly sends collections over the European Union border, for digitization, that is. While doing that, we have to put something in the customs forms. And to inform our insurance company.   So we put there the value of the paper sheets which carry the [invaluable] herbarium sheets, or other objects.   That currently is 28? per specimen. Do not laugh.  This is how it works.

Anyway, I still prefer to report "nil" or zero value for the irreplaceable.  If I can.

Hannu Saarenmaa  www.bioshare.com<http://www.bioshare.com>

On 2022-03-08 11:42, Battermann, Nora wrote:

Dear all,

I thought this a very interesting discussion but understand that it mainly concerned US institutions. I'd be interested to hear from European institutions too - how do you estimate the values of donated collections? I am not aware of a list of appraisers who specialize in natural history collections in Germany for example and wonder how other institutions handle acquisitions, especially donations.

Greetings from sunny Munich,
Nora

---
Dr. Nora Battermann
Koordination Sammlungsassessment
---------------------------
Kaulbachstr. 37, III. Stock
D-80539 M?nchen

Telefon:
+49 (0)174 2762445
---------------------------
www.snsb.de<http://www.snsb.de>

Am 2022-02-28 19:50, schrieb Tacker, Christopher:

Everyone has offered good advice here.

Apart from conflicts of interest, the one that does the appraisal
stands to get involved with the state or federal tax enforcement. If
the appraisal is called into question, that represents a nearly
limitless time sink in hearings or in court.

We tell donors that we will work with whatever appraiser they
designate. We still get offers of "I'll donate this if you'll get me
an appraisal for X amount of money." That's a big "no, thank you."

Chris Tacker

Chris Tacker, Ph.D., P.G.
Research Curator of Geology
North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences
11 West Jones St. | Raleigh, NC  27601

Emails to and from this address are subject to NC Public Records Law
and may be disclosed to third parties.
-------------------------

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Subject: [External] [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of
donated collections?

 CAUTION: External email. Do not click links or open attachments
unless you verify. Send all suspicious email as an attachment to
Report Spam.

Good morning all,

A colleague at a regional museum reached out to ask me for advice on
how to estimate the value of a collection of donated birds (mostly
skins, some taxidermy mounts). He?s not interested in individual
values for each piece, but a big picture ?lump sum.? I?m sure
this has come up on the listserve before, but I haven?t been able to
locate it. If anyone has ideas or can point me in the direction of a
resource to send to my colleague, I?d really appreciate it! I have
no appraisal skills myself ? and I?m a botanist ? so I?m at a
total loss on my end.

Cheers,

Sarah

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Sarah Taylor, PhD

Collections Manager, CONN

George Safford Torrey Herbarium
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
University of Connecticut
75 North Eagleville Road, Unit 3043
Storrs, Connecticut 06269-3043
U.S.A.

P: 860.486.1889
F: 860.486.4320
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---------

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postal address:

Bavarian Natural History Collections
The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology
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From battermann at snsb.de  Wed Mar  9 03:50:42 2022
From: battermann at snsb.de (Battermann, Nora)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 09:50:42 +0100
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Dear all,

thanks for your replies so far. I fully agree with Maria - it would be 
incredibly useful to establish a method for estimating the value of 
natural history collections. Obviously, the value is infinite/impossible 
to measure but unfortunately there are instances in which we need to put 
a number on the value of a collection - be that insurance, 
posting/taxes, buying/selling or, at least in Germany for tax purposes, 
donation receipts.

Best wishes,
Nora

---
Dr. Nora Battermann
Koordination Sammlungsassessment
---------------------------
Kaulbachstr. 37, III. Stock
D-80539 M?nchen

Telefon:
+49 (0)174 2762445
---------------------------
www.snsb.de

Am 2022-03-09 08:11, schrieb Maria Dimaki:
> Dear all,
> 
> indeed, it is a very interesting subject! The last years, I am asked
> about the economic value of specimens or collections. Usually from
> donators, for insurance, or other administrative reasons. My answer is
> always that each specimen is priceless and that it is impossible to
> define the value of a natural history museum collection in euros.
> 
> If the person insists, I answer that is definitely not our job to
> ?tag? a prize on specimens or collection and he should address to
> the tax office (and I am sure that they know nothing on the subject,
> in Greece).
> 
> For some time know, I believe that, we should establish a method to
> estimate the value of Natural History Collections based on their
> scientific, cultural and educational value, by using appropriate
> criteria and a scoring system.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Maria
> 
> Dr. Maria Dimaki
> 
> Collections Manager
> 
> In Charge of the Department of Terrestrial Zoology
> 
> Goulandris Natural History Museum
> 
> 100, Othonos St. Kifissia, GR 145 62, Greece
> 
> ???: Dirk Neumann
> ????????: ?????, 8 ??????? 2022 7:39 ??
> ????: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> ????: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of donated
> collections?
> 
> Dear Hannu,
> 
> 1? would be better; within the EU (and the single market) you have
> no customs borders anyway, and if you need to send materials to
> Norway, Switzerland or Iceland, 1? would be preferable to avoid
> import taxes. Usually, the threshold for import tax is low (until the
> most recent amendment this year, the minor threshold value was 22?).
> Colleagues were charged recently few cent because the declared value
> was 5? ...
> 
> With best wishes
> 
> Dirk
> 
> Am 08.03.2022 um 12:48 schrieb Hannu Saarenmaa:
> 
>> The answer is "nil". In computer science terms that means it does
>> not exist.  Nil also means "infinite".
>> 
>> Museum objects are irreplaceable. So there is no commercial value.
>> Or something that can be insured. Natural science collections cannot
>> be insured.
>> 
>> My company bioshare.com regularly sends collections over the
>> European Union border, for digitization, that is. While doing that,
>> we have to put something in the customs forms. And to inform our
>> insurance company.   So we put there the value of the paper sheets
>> which carry the [invaluable] herbarium sheets, or other objects.
>> That currently is 28? per specimen. Do not laugh.  This is how it
>> works.
>> 
>> Anyway, I still prefer to report "nil" or zero value for the
>> irreplaceable.  If I can.
>> 
>> Hannu Saarenmaa  www.bioshare.com [1]
>> 
>> On 2022-03-08 11:42, Battermann, Nora wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I thought this a very interesting discussion but understand that it
>> mainly concerned US institutions. I'd be interested to hear from
>> European institutions too - how do you estimate the values of
>> donated collections? I am not aware of a list of appraisers who
>> specialize in natural history collections in Germany for example and
>> wonder how other institutions handle acquisitions, especially
>> donations.
>> 
>> Greetings from sunny Munich,
>> Nora
>> 
>> ---
>> Dr. Nora Battermann
>> Koordination Sammlungsassessment
>> ---------------------------
>> Kaulbachstr. 37, III. Stock
>> D-80539 M?nchen
>> 
>> Telefon:
>> +49 (0)174 2762445
>> ---------------------------
>> www.snsb.de [2]
>> 
>> Am 2022-02-28 19:50, schrieb Tacker, Christopher:
>> 
>> Everyone has offered good advice here.
>> 
>> Apart from conflicts of interest, the one that does the appraisal
>> stands to get involved with the state or federal tax enforcement. If
>> 
>> the appraisal is called into question, that represents a nearly
>> limitless time sink in hearings or in court.
>> 
>> We tell donors that we will work with whatever appraiser they
>> designate. We still get offers of "I'll donate this if you'll get me
>> 
>> an appraisal for X amount of money." That's a big "no, thank you."
>> 
>> Chris Tacker
>> 
>> Chris Tacker, Ph.D., P.G.
>> Research Curator of Geology
>> North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences
>> 11 West Jones St. | Raleigh, NC  27601
>> 
>> Emails to and from this address are subject to NC Public Records Law
>> 
>> and may be disclosed to third parties.
>> -------------------------
>> 
>> From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of
>> Taylor, Sarah <sarah.taylor at uconn.edu>
>> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 9:32:38 AM
>> To: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
>> Subject: [External] [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of
>> donated collections?
>> 
>> CAUTION: External email. Do not click links or open attachments
>> unless you verify. Send all suspicious email as an attachment to
>> Report Spam.
>> 
>> Good morning all,
>> 
>> A colleague at a regional museum reached out to ask me for advice on
>> 
>> how to estimate the value of a collection of donated birds (mostly
>> skins, some taxidermy mounts). He?s not interested in individual
>> values for each piece, but a big picture ?lump sum.? I?m sure
>> this has come up on the listserve before, but I haven?t been able
>> to
>> locate it. If anyone has ideas or can point me in the direction of a
>> 
>> resource to send to my colleague, I?d really appreciate it! I have
>> 
>> no appraisal skills myself ? and I?m a botanist ? so I?m at
>> a
>> total loss on my end.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Sarah
>> 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Sarah Taylor, PhD
>> 
>> Collections Manager, CONN
>> 
>> George Safford Torrey Herbarium
>> Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
>> University of Connecticut
>> 75 North Eagleville Road, Unit 3043
>> Storrs, Connecticut 06269-3043
>> U.S.A.
>> 
>> P: 860.486.1889
>> F: 860.486.4320
>> http://bgbaseserver.eeb.uconn.edu/ [1]
>> 
>> Links:
>> ------
>> [1]
>> 
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> --
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> 
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> M?nchhausenstr. 21
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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From battermann at snsb.de  Wed Mar  9 06:49:19 2022
From: battermann at snsb.de (Battermann, Nora)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 12:49:19 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] 
 =?utf-8?q?=CE=91=CE=A0=3A__Advice_on_estimating_the_v?=
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Dear Gavin,

thanks for your input! Would love to see the guidelines (tried to 
contact you off list but my email won't go through for some reason)!

Cheers,
Nora

Am 2022-03-09 11:00, schrieb Gavin Dally:
> ?Hi all,
> 
> In Australian museums, as there is no commercial value, we use a
> recollection cost method to value collections. Theoretically how much
> does it cost to go in the field, preserve, curate, document, store etc
> a specimen. A premium is added for remote locations and types.
> 
> It has been very useful in showing administrators how valuable and
> irreplaceable the collections actually are.
> 
> Let me know off-list if you would like the valuation guidelines.
> 
> Cheers,
> Gavin
> 
>  Gavin Dally
> 
>  Senior Collections Manager, Natural Sciences
> 
>  Museum and Art Gallery of the Northern Territory
> 
>  magnt.net.au [1]
> 
>  street address: 19 Conacher St, The Gardens, Darwin, NT 0820
> Australia | postal address: GPO Box 4646, Darwin, NT 0801 Australia
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 6:20 pm, Battermann, Nora <battermann at snsb.de>
>> wrote:
> 
>> ?Dear all,
>> 
>> thanks for your replies so far. I fully agree with Maria - it would
>> be incredibly useful to establish a method for estimating the value
>> of natural history collections. Obviously, the value is
>> infinite/impossible to measure but unfortunately there are instances
>> in which we need to put a number on the value of a collection - be
>> that insurance, posting/taxes, buying/selling or, at least in
>> Germany for tax purposes, donation receipts.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> Nora
>> 
>> ---
>> Dr. Nora Battermann
>> Koordination Sammlungsassessment
>> ---------------------------
>> Kaulbachstr. 37, III. Stock
>> D-80539 M?nchen
>> 
>> Telefon:
>> +49 (0)174 2762445
>> ---------------------------
>> www.snsb.de
>> 
>> Am 2022-03-09 08:11, schrieb Maria Dimaki:
>> 
>>> Dear all,
>> 
>>> indeed, it is a very interesting subject! The last years, I am
>>> asked
>> 
>>> about the economic value of specimens or collections. Usually from
>> 
>>> donators, for insurance, or other administrative reasons. My
>>> answer is
>> 
>>> always that each specimen is priceless and that it is impossible
>>> to
>> 
>>> define the value of a natural history museum collection in euros.
>> 
>>> If the person insists, I answer that is definitely not our job to
>> 
>>> ?tag? a prize on specimens or collection and he should address
>>> to
>> 
>>> the tax office (and I am sure that they know nothing on the
>>> subject,
>> 
>>> in Greece).
>> 
>>> For some time know, I believe that, we should establish a method
>>> to
>> 
>>> estimate the value of Natural History Collections based on their
>> 
>>> scientific, cultural and educational value, by using appropriate
>> 
>>> criteria and a scoring system.
>> 
>>> Best wishes
>> 
>>> Maria
>> 
>>> Dr. Maria Dimaki
>> 
>>> Collections Manager
>> 
>>> In Charge of the Department of Terrestrial Zoology
>> 
>>> Goulandris Natural History Museum
>> 
>>> 100, Othonos St. Kifissia, GR 145 62, Greece
>> 
>>> ???: Dirk Neumann
>> 
>>> ????????: ?????, 8 ??????? 2022 7:39 ??
>> 
>>> ????: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
>> 
>>> ????: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of donated
>> 
>>> collections?
>> 
>>> Dear Hannu,
>> 
>>> 1? would be better; within the EU (and the single market) you
>>> have
>> 
>>> no customs borders anyway, and if you need to send materials to
>> 
>>> Norway, Switzerland or Iceland, 1? would be preferable to avoid
>> 
>>> import taxes. Usually, the threshold for import tax is low (until
>>> the
>> 
>>> most recent amendment this year, the minor threshold value was
>>> 22?).
>> 
>>> Colleagues were charged recently few cent because the declared
>>> value
>> 
>>> was 5? ...
>> 
>>> With best wishes
>> 
>>> Dirk
>> 
>>> Am 08.03.2022 um 12:48 schrieb Hannu Saarenmaa:
>> The answer is "nil". In computer science terms that means it does
> 
>>> not exist.  Nil also means "infinite".
> 
>>> Museum objects are irreplaceable. So there is no commercial value.
> 
>>> Or something that can be insured. Natural science collections
>>> cannot
> 
>>> be insured.
> 
>>> My company bioshare.com regularly sends collections over the
> 
>>> European Union border, for digitization, that is. While doing
>>> that,
> 
>>> we have to put something in the customs forms. And to inform our
> 
>>> insurance company.   So we put there the value of the paper sheets
> 
>>> which carry the [invaluable] herbarium sheets, or other objects.
> 
>>> That currently is 28? per specimen. Do not laugh.  This is how
>>> it
> 
>>> works.
> 
>>> Anyway, I still prefer to report "nil" or zero value for the
> 
>>> irreplaceable.  If I can.
> 
>>> Hannu Saarenmaa  www.bioshare.com [1]
> 
>>> On 2022-03-08 11:42, Battermann, Nora wrote:
> 
>>> Dear all,
> 
>>> I thought this a very interesting discussion but understand that
>>> it
> 
>>> mainly concerned US institutions. I'd be interested to hear from
> 
>>> European institutions too - how do you estimate the values of
> 
>>> donated collections? I am not aware of a list of appraisers who
> 
>>> specialize in natural history collections in Germany for example
>>> and
> 
>>> wonder how other institutions handle acquisitions, especially
> 
>>> donations.
> 
>>> Greetings from sunny Munich,
> 
>>> Nora
> 
>>> ---
> 
>>> Dr. Nora Battermann
> 
>>> Koordination Sammlungsassessment
> 
>>> ---------------------------
> 
>>> Kaulbachstr. 37, III. Stock
> 
>>> D-80539 M?nchen
> 
>>> Telefon:
> 
>>> +49 (0)174 2762445
> 
>>> ---------------------------
> 
>>> www.snsb.de [2]
> 
>>> Am 2022-02-28 19:50, schrieb Tacker, Christopher:
> 
>>> Everyone has offered good advice here.
> 
>>> Apart from conflicts of interest, the one that does the appraisal
> 
>>> stands to get involved with the state or federal tax enforcement.
>>> If
> 
>>> the appraisal is called into question, that represents a nearly
> 
>>> limitless time sink in hearings or in court.
> 
>>> We tell donors that we will work with whatever appraiser they
> 
>>> designate. We still get offers of "I'll donate this if you'll get
>>> me
> 
>>> an appraisal for X amount of money." That's a big "no, thank you."
> 
>>> Chris Tacker
> 
>>> Chris Tacker, Ph.D., P.G.
> 
>>> Research Curator of Geology
> 
>>> North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences
> 
>>> 11 West Jones St. | Raleigh, NC  27601
> 
>>> Emails to and from this address are subject to NC Public Records
>>> Law
> 
>>> and may be disclosed to third parties.
> 
>>> -------------------------
> 
>>> From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of
> 
>>> Taylor, Sarah <sarah.taylor at uconn.edu>
> 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 9:32:38 AM
> 
>>> To: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> 
>>> Subject: [External] [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of
> 
>>> donated collections?
> 
>>> CAUTION: External email. Do not click links or open attachments
> 
>>> unless you verify. Send all suspicious email as an attachment to
> 
>>> Report Spam.
> 
>>> Good morning all,
> 
>>> A colleague at a regional museum reached out to ask me for advice
>>> on
> 
>>> how to estimate the value of a collection of donated birds (mostly
> 
>>> skins, some taxidermy mounts). He?s not interested in individual
> 
>>> values for each piece, but a big picture ?lump sum.? I?m
>>> sure
> 
>>> this has come up on the listserve before, but I haven?t been
>>> able
> 
>>> to
> 
>>> locate it. If anyone has ideas or can point me in the direction of
>>> a
> 
>>> resource to send to my colleague, I?d really appreciate it! I
>>> have
> 
>>> no appraisal skills myself ? and I?m a botanist ? so I?m
>>> at
> 
>>> a
> 
>>> total loss on my end.
> 
>>> Cheers,
> 
>>> Sarah
> 
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>>> Sarah Taylor, PhD
> 
>>> Collections Manager, CONN
> 
>>> George Safford Torrey Herbarium
> 
>>> Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
> 
>>> University of Connecticut
> 
>>> 75 North Eagleville Road, Unit 3043
> 
>>> Storrs, Connecticut 06269-3043
> 
>>> U.S.A.
> 
>>> P: 860.486.1889
> 
>>> F: 860.486.4320
> 
>>> http://bgbaseserver.eeb.uconn.edu/ [1]
> 
>>> Links:
> 
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> 
>>> [1]
> 
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>>> Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society
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>>> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and
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> 
>>> of
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>>> natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to
> 
>>> society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information.
> 
>>> Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate.
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>> --
> 
>> Dirk Neumann
> 
>> Tel: 089 / 8107-111
> 
>> Fax: 089 / 8107-300
> 
>> neumann(a)snsb.de
> 
>> Postanschrift:
> 
>> Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns
> 
>> Zoologische Staatssammlung M?nchen
> 
>> Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Storage
> 
>> M?nchhausenstr. 21
> 
>> 81247 M?nchen
> 
>> Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung:
> 
>> http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/
> 
>> ---------
> 
>> Dirk Neumann
> 
>> Tel: +49-89-8107-111
> 
>> Fax: +49-89-8107-300
> 
>> neumann(a)snsb.de
> 
>> postal address:
> 
>> Bavarian Natural History Collections
> 
>> The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology
> 
>> Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage
> 
>> Muenchhausenstr. 21
> 
>> 81247 Munich (Germany)
> 
>> Visit our section at:
> 
>> http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/
> 
>> Links:
> 
>> ------
> 
>> [1] http://www.bioshare.com
> 
>> [2] http://www.snsb.de
> 
>> [3]
>> 
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> 
>> Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose
> 
>> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management
>> of
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>> natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to
> 
>> society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information.
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From Gavin.Dally at magnt.net.au  Wed Mar  9 05:00:14 2022
From: Gavin.Dally at magnt.net.au (Gavin Dally)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 10:00:14 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] 
 =?utf-8?q?=CE=91=CE=A0=3A__Advice_on_estimating_the_v?=
 =?utf-8?q?alue_of_donated_collections=3F?=
Message-ID: <2CC0EF23-D1C4-42B1-AB6A-6B2A1CEB1663@magnt.net.au>

?Hi all,

In Australian museums, as there is no commercial value, we use a recollection cost method to value collections. Theoretically how much does it cost to go in the field, preserve, curate, document, store etc a specimen. A premium is added for remote locations and types.

It has been very useful in showing administrators how valuable and irreplaceable the collections actually are.

Let me know off-list if you would like the valuation guidelines.

Cheers,
Gavin


Gavin Dally
Senior Collections Manager, Natural Sciences
Museum and Art Gallery of the Northern Territory

magnt.net.au<http://www.magnt.net.au/>
street address: 19 Conacher St, The Gardens, Darwin, NT 0820 Australia | postal address: GPO Box 4646, Darwin, NT 0801 Australia






Sent from my iPhone
On 9 Mar 2022, at 6:20 pm, Battermann, Nora <battermann at snsb.de> wrote:

?Dear all,

thanks for your replies so far. I fully agree with Maria - it would be incredibly useful to establish a method for estimating the value of natural history collections. Obviously, the value is infinite/impossible to measure but unfortunately there are instances in which we need to put a number on the value of a collection - be that insurance, posting/taxes, buying/selling or, at least in Germany for tax purposes, donation receipts.

Best wishes,
Nora

---
Dr. Nora Battermann
Koordination Sammlungsassessment
---------------------------
Kaulbachstr. 37, III. Stock
D-80539 M?nchen

Telefon:
+49 (0)174 2762445
---------------------------
www.snsb.de

Am 2022-03-09 08:11, schrieb Maria Dimaki:
Dear all,
indeed, it is a very interesting subject! The last years, I am asked
about the economic value of specimens or collections. Usually from
donators, for insurance, or other administrative reasons. My answer is
always that each specimen is priceless and that it is impossible to
define the value of a natural history museum collection in euros.
If the person insists, I answer that is definitely not our job to
?tag? a prize on specimens or collection and he should address to
the tax office (and I am sure that they know nothing on the subject,
in Greece).
For some time know, I believe that, we should establish a method to
estimate the value of Natural History Collections based on their
scientific, cultural and educational value, by using appropriate
criteria and a scoring system.
Best wishes
Maria
Dr. Maria Dimaki
Collections Manager
In Charge of the Department of Terrestrial Zoology
Goulandris Natural History Museum
100, Othonos St. Kifissia, GR 145 62, Greece
???: Dirk Neumann
????????: ?????, 8 ??????? 2022 7:39 ??
????: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
????: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of donated
collections?
Dear Hannu,
1? would be better; within the EU (and the single market) you have
no customs borders anyway, and if you need to send materials to
Norway, Switzerland or Iceland, 1? would be preferable to avoid
import taxes. Usually, the threshold for import tax is low (until the
most recent amendment this year, the minor threshold value was 22?).
Colleagues were charged recently few cent because the declared value
was 5? ...
With best wishes
Dirk
Am 08.03.2022 um 12:48 schrieb Hannu Saarenmaa:
The answer is "nil". In computer science terms that means it does
not exist.  Nil also means "infinite".
Museum objects are irreplaceable. So there is no commercial value.
Or something that can be insured. Natural science collections cannot
be insured.
My company bioshare.com regularly sends collections over the
European Union border, for digitization, that is. While doing that,
we have to put something in the customs forms. And to inform our
insurance company.   So we put there the value of the paper sheets
which carry the [invaluable] herbarium sheets, or other objects.
That currently is 28? per specimen. Do not laugh.  This is how it
works.
Anyway, I still prefer to report "nil" or zero value for the
irreplaceable.  If I can.
Hannu Saarenmaa  www.bioshare.com [1]
On 2022-03-08 11:42, Battermann, Nora wrote:
Dear all,
I thought this a very interesting discussion but understand that it
mainly concerned US institutions. I'd be interested to hear from
European institutions too - how do you estimate the values of
donated collections? I am not aware of a list of appraisers who
specialize in natural history collections in Germany for example and
wonder how other institutions handle acquisitions, especially
donations.
Greetings from sunny Munich,
Nora
---
Dr. Nora Battermann
Koordination Sammlungsassessment
---------------------------
Kaulbachstr. 37, III. Stock
D-80539 M?nchen
Telefon:
+49 (0)174 2762445
---------------------------
www.snsb.de [2]
Am 2022-02-28 19:50, schrieb Tacker, Christopher:
Everyone has offered good advice here.
Apart from conflicts of interest, the one that does the appraisal
stands to get involved with the state or federal tax enforcement. If
the appraisal is called into question, that represents a nearly
limitless time sink in hearings or in court.
We tell donors that we will work with whatever appraiser they
designate. We still get offers of "I'll donate this if you'll get me
an appraisal for X amount of money." That's a big "no, thank you."
Chris Tacker
Chris Tacker, Ph.D., P.G.
Research Curator of Geology
North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences
11 West Jones St. | Raleigh, NC  27601
Emails to and from this address are subject to NC Public Records Law
and may be disclosed to third parties.
-------------------------
From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of
Taylor, Sarah <sarah.taylor at uconn.edu>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 9:32:38 AM
To: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [External] [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of
donated collections?
CAUTION: External email. Do not click links or open attachments
unless you verify. Send all suspicious email as an attachment to
Report Spam.
Good morning all,
A colleague at a regional museum reached out to ask me for advice on
how to estimate the value of a collection of donated birds (mostly
skins, some taxidermy mounts). He?s not interested in individual
values for each piece, but a big picture ?lump sum.? I?m sure
this has come up on the listserve before, but I haven?t been able
to
locate it. If anyone has ideas or can point me in the direction of a
resource to send to my colleague, I?d really appreciate it! I have
no appraisal skills myself ? and I?m a botanist ? so I?m at
a
total loss on my end.
Cheers,
Sarah
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Sarah Taylor, PhD
Collections Manager, CONN
George Safford Torrey Herbarium
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
University of Connecticut
75 North Eagleville Road, Unit 3043
Storrs, Connecticut 06269-3043
U.S.A.
P: 860.486.1889
F: 860.486.4320
http://bgbaseserver.eeb.uconn.edu/ [1]
Links:
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natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to
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Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate.
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Tel: 089 / 8107-111
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neumann(a)snsb.de
Postanschrift:
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Thanks for sharing Gavin this seems a very useful document for all of us to have access to.
I notice we sometimes use the term ?the value of a [collection, specimen, etc.]?
To my mind, as soon as we think in terms of ?the value? instead of ?the values? or ?a value (out of many values)? we are on a wrong track. We are in the business of managing many kinds of values perceived by our diverse collection users. We also need to respond to requests for senses of value from other perspectives, such as tax receipt value, insurance value, and others. All of these are legitimate senses of value from some perspective, and we want to accept that based on our understanding of collections having value in many senses and from many perspectives. Insurance value seems a bothersome one to many of us. It becomes more interesting if we think that insurance payment could never be used to duplicate what was lost (not possible) but could be used by the institution to invest in a different collection, or something else entirely, that would more cost effectively help the institution to achieve its mission. If this thought seems anathema, then that is a signal that we need to think more broadly about multiple senses of values in our collections.
My 2?,
Rob
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?Hi all,

In Australian museums, as there is no commercial value, we use a recollection cost method to value collections. Theoretically how much does it cost to go in the field, preserve, curate, document, store etc a specimen. A premium is added for remote locations and types.

It has been very useful in showing administrators how valuable and irreplaceable the collections actually are.

Let me know off-list if you would like the valuation guidelines.

Cheers,
Gavin

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On 9 Mar 2022, at 6:20 pm, Battermann, Nora <battermann at snsb.de<mailto:battermann at snsb.de>> wrote:
?Dear all,

thanks for your replies so far. I fully agree with Maria - it would be incredibly useful to establish a method for estimating the value of natural history collections. Obviously, the value is infinite/impossible to measure but unfortunately there are instances in which we need to put a number on the value of a collection - be that insurance, posting/taxes, buying/selling or, at least in Germany for tax purposes, donation receipts.

Best wishes,
Nora

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Am 2022-03-09 08:11, schrieb Maria Dimaki:

Dear all,
indeed, it is a very interesting subject! The last years, I am asked
about the economic value of specimens or collections. Usually from
donators, for insurance, or other administrative reasons. My answer is
always that each specimen is priceless and that it is impossible to
define the value of a natural history museum collection in euros.
If the person insists, I answer that is definitely not our job to
?tag? a prize on specimens or collection and he should address to
the tax office (and I am sure that they know nothing on the subject,
in Greece).
For some time know, I believe that, we should establish a method to
estimate the value of Natural History Collections based on their
scientific, cultural and educational value, by using appropriate
criteria and a scoring system.
Best wishes
Maria
Dr. Maria Dimaki
Collections Manager
In Charge of the Department of Terrestrial Zoology
Goulandris Natural History Museum
100, Othonos St. Kifissia, GR 145 62, Greece
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Dear Hannu,
1? would be better; within the EU (and the single market) you have
no customs borders anyway, and if you need to send materials to
Norway, Switzerland or Iceland, 1? would be preferable to avoid
import taxes. Usually, the threshold for import tax is low (until the
most recent amendment this year, the minor threshold value was 22?).
Colleagues were charged recently few cent because the declared value
was 5? ...
With best wishes
Dirk
Am 08.03.2022 um 12:48 schrieb Hannu Saarenmaa:
The answer is "nil". In computer science terms that means it does
not exist.  Nil also means "infinite".
Museum objects are irreplaceable. So there is no commercial value.
Or something that can be insured. Natural science collections cannot
be insured.
My company bioshare.com regularly sends collections over the
European Union border, for digitization, that is. While doing that,
we have to put something in the customs forms. And to inform our
insurance company.   So we put there the value of the paper sheets
which carry the [invaluable] herbarium sheets, or other objects.
That currently is 28? per specimen. Do not laugh.  This is how it
works.
Anyway, I still prefer to report "nil" or zero value for the
irreplaceable.  If I can.
Hannu Saarenmaa  www.bioshare.com<http://www.bioshare.com> [1]
On 2022-03-08 11:42, Battermann, Nora wrote:
Dear all,
I thought this a very interesting discussion but understand that it
mainly concerned US institutions. I'd be interested to hear from
European institutions too - how do you estimate the values of
donated collections? I am not aware of a list of appraisers who
specialize in natural history collections in Germany for example and
wonder how other institutions handle acquisitions, especially
donations.
Greetings from sunny Munich,
Nora
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Am 2022-02-28 19:50, schrieb Tacker, Christopher:
Everyone has offered good advice here.
Apart from conflicts of interest, the one that does the appraisal
stands to get involved with the state or federal tax enforcement. If
the appraisal is called into question, that represents a nearly
limitless time sink in hearings or in court.
We tell donors that we will work with whatever appraiser they
designate. We still get offers of "I'll donate this if you'll get me
an appraisal for X amount of money." That's a big "no, thank you."
Chris Tacker
Chris Tacker, Ph.D., P.G.
Research Curator of Geology
North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences
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Good morning all,
A colleague at a regional museum reached out to ask me for advice on
how to estimate the value of a collection of donated birds (mostly
skins, some taxidermy mounts). He?s not interested in individual
values for each piece, but a big picture ?lump sum.? I?m sure
this has come up on the listserve before, but I haven?t been able
to
locate it. If anyone has ideas or can point me in the direction of a
resource to send to my colleague, I?d really appreciate it! I have
no appraisal skills myself ? and I?m a botanist ? so I?m at
a
total loss on my end.
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This has been an interesting conversation, but I think some issues of value
and valuation need to be clarified.



To begin, we need to clarify what we mean by value. A scientific specimen
has different kinds of value attached to it, including scientific value
(because it is a voucher or document of the natural world), cultural value
(because scientific activity is a cultural practice), and also monetary
value (fair market value) because specimens can, and are, routinely bought
and sold.



*Monetary value* is arbitrary in the sense that it reflects only what
people are willing to pay for something. There is no inherent value in
anything, not for a beetle, not for an ounce of gold. What the beetle or
the gold (or anything else is worth) is what people are willing to pay for
it. For this reason, you can put a monetary value on a scientific specimen
by either calculating the cost to collect, prepare, accession, catalog, and
store it over time; or by calculating what those costs would be to collect
and process another specimen similar to it.



That said, I agree that scientific specimens have a *scientific value* and
a *cultural value* that cannot be assessed in monetary terms for several
important reasons, including that (1) individual specimens cannot be
replaced because each specimen documents the occurrence of a particular
species at a particular place and time; and (2) in many cases you cannot
collect a similar specimen because the species no longer occurs at the same
place, or because you cannot get permits to collect them. This is the
argument I made in a talk titled ?Why not to do natural science collections
valuations? at the SPNHC meeting in 1996. In that talk, I used the example
of the insurance settlement for the damage of the type of *Strombus listeri*,
first figured in 1685, named in 1852 by Thomas Gray and then destroyed when
on loan and the exhibit case was accidentally knocked over. The scientific
value of the specimen was ?irreplaceable?; the insurance settlement was for
US $7,500.



The reason I made the argument is that, at the time there was an emphasis
on capitalizing the monetary value of collections and using that value to
determine what a collection was worth and whether it should be supported.
This was ridiculous, because monetary value is intended for insurance
purposes only, and all values of collections should be factors in  making
decisions about whether to keep collections or how to support them. In
other words, administrators were wrongly *capitalizing the monetary value
of collections* and ignoring the more significant scientific and cultural
values of the collections. The use of monetary value only was a dire threat
to the future of many scientific collections, and could only lead to the
sort of deaccession-to-raise-funds idiocy we see to day in some art
museums.



The issue of the valuation of collections was a hot topic in the late 1980s
and 1990s. It was at that time that the American Association (now Alliance)
of Museums negotiated with FASB (Financial Accounting Standards Board, US)
to exempt non-profit museums from capitalizing their collections for
accounting purposes, and there was a significant international conference
on the subject of the valuation of natural science collections in
Manchester in 1995. The papers from that conference are available in a
volume published by The Geological Society called *The Value and Valuation
of Natural Science Collections* (1997), edited by John R. Nudds and Charles
W. Pettitt.



As an example of the absurdity of capitalizing collections that was taking
place around this time, a 1989 article in *Herpetological Review* (volume
20, #2, special supplement) with the title ?Monetary values of U.S.
amphibians? listed values of specimens of a long list of species for the
purposes of determining the price of mitigation for ecological damages. The
list was compiled with the best of intentions, but greatly devalued the
specimens in the process. In my presentation, I showed a variety of ads for
everything from bird eggs to sea shells from old collectors magazines from
the early 1900s, when scientific specimens were routinely bought and sold
(indeed, collecting and selling scientific specimens is how Alfred Russell
Wallace and Henry Walter Bates among many others, financed their work in
the tropics in the 1800s), and mentioned such things as a post to *TAXACOM*
that valued a plankton sample at $567.50 (Australian dollars) by figuring
the cost of collectors time, helicopter rental, jars, and fluid.



In the talk, I also pointed out that for scientific collections we could
substantially boost the estimated monetary value of collections by
factoring in the potential proceeds from allowing pharmaceutical
collections to do bioprospecting in collections, the value of the DNA in
the specimens, the previously unused rare earth elements in geoscience
collections, even the repatriation value if we wanted.



However, to conclude that the *monetary value* of an herbarium specimen is
the price of the paper it is attached to is inaccurate. The monetary value
of the herbarium specimen is what it would cost to collect a similar
specimen, were that possible.



Scientific specimens are bought and sold all the time. There is a
commercial market for specimens. You have only to look at seller-based web
sites or auction sites to find out what specimens are being bought and sold
for (for example, check Etsy, EBay, Heritage Auctions in the US,
Christie?s, Bonhams, etc.).



*BOTTOM LINE*: We need to think carefully about why we are assigning
monetary values to specimens, but we must also be realistic and accept that
there are good reasons in some instances (particularly for insurance of
specimens on loan) that we may want to assign such values. In doing so, we
must make a clear distinction between fair market value (which is to say,
insurance value) and scientific and cultural values.



Below are some useful references for those who need to calculate fair
market value for their collections, with the precaution that the monetary
value is arbitrary and does not reflect scientific or cultural value. Note
that this list does not include references on the scientific value of
collections, only on estimating monetary value.



Baker, R.J., L. C. Bradley, H. J. Garner, and R. D. Bradley. 2014. ?Door to
drawer? costs of curation, installation, documentation, databasing, and
long-term care of mammal voucher specimens in natural history
collections. *Occasional
Papers, Museum of Texas Tech University*, 15 pp



Bradley, D., L. C. Bradley, H. J. Garner, and R. J. Baker. 2012. Cost of
collecting and preparing mammal voucher specimens for natural history
collections. *Occasional Papers*, Museum of Texas Tech University number
313, 14 pp.



Bradley, D., L. C. Bradley, H. J. Garner, and R. J. Baker. 2014. Assessing
the value of natural history collections and addressing issues regarding
long-term growth and care. *BioScience* 64(12):1150-1158.



Camacho, M. A., J. Salgado M., and S. F. Burneo. 2018. An accounting
approach to calculate the financial value of a natural history collection
of mammals in Ecuador. *Museum Management and Curatorship*, DOI:
10.1080/09647775.2018.1466191



Nudds, J. R., and C. W. Pettitt (eds). 1997. The Value and Valuation of
Natural Science Collection. The Geological Society, London.



Price, J. C., and G. R. Fitzgerald. 1996. Categories of specimens: a
collection management tool. *Collection Forum* 12(1):8-13.




--John

John E. Simmons
Writer and Museum Consultant
Museologica
*and*
Associate Curator of Collections
Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery
Penn State University
*and*
Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia
Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima


On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:05 AM Gavin Dally <Gavin.Dally at magnt.net.au> wrote:

> ?Hi all,
>
> In Australian museums, as there is no commercial value, we use a
> recollection cost method to value collections. Theoretically how much does
> it cost to go in the field, preserve, curate, document, store etc a
> specimen. A premium is added for remote locations and types.
>
> It has been very useful in showing administrators how valuable and
> irreplaceable the collections actually are.
>
> Let me know off-list if you would like the valuation guidelines.
>
> Cheers,
> Gavin
>
> *Gavin Dally*
>
> *Senior Collections Manager, Natural Sciences*
>
> *Museum and Art Gallery of the Northern Territory*
>
>
>
> magnt.net.au <http://www.magnt.net.au/>
>
> *street address:* 19 Conacher St, The Gardens, Darwin, NT 0820 Australia |* postal
> address:* GPO Box 4646, Darwin, NT 0801 Australia
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 9 Mar 2022, at 6:20 pm, Battermann, Nora <battermann at snsb.de> wrote:
>
> ?Dear all,
>
> thanks for your replies so far. I fully agree with Maria - it would be
> incredibly useful to establish a method for estimating the value of natural
> history collections. Obviously, the value is infinite/impossible to measure
> but unfortunately there are instances in which we need to put a number on
> the value of a collection - be that insurance, posting/taxes,
> buying/selling or, at least in Germany for tax purposes, donation receipts.
>
> Best wishes,
> Nora
>
> ---
> Dr. Nora Battermann
> Koordination Sammlungsassessment
> ---------------------------
> Kaulbachstr. 37, III. Stock
> D-80539 M?nchen
>
> Telefon:
> +49 (0)174 2762445
> ---------------------------
> www.snsb.de
>
> Am 2022-03-09 08:11, schrieb Maria Dimaki:
>
> Dear all,
>
> indeed, it is a very interesting subject! The last years, I am asked
>
> about the economic value of specimens or collections. Usually from
>
> donators, for insurance, or other administrative reasons. My answer is
>
> always that each specimen is priceless and that it is impossible to
>
> define the value of a natural history museum collection in euros.
>
> If the person insists, I answer that is definitely not our job to
>
> ?tag? a prize on specimens or collection and he should address to
>
> the tax office (and I am sure that they know nothing on the subject,
>
> in Greece).
>
> For some time know, I believe that, we should establish a method to
>
> estimate the value of Natural History Collections based on their
>
> scientific, cultural and educational value, by using appropriate
>
> criteria and a scoring system.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Maria
>
> Dr. Maria Dimaki
>
> Collections Manager
>
> In Charge of the Department of Terrestrial Zoology
>
> Goulandris Natural History Museum
>
> 100, Othonos St. Kifissia, GR 145 62, Greece
>
> ???: Dirk Neumann
>
> ????????: ?????, 8 ??????? 2022 7:39 ??
>
> ????: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
>
> ????: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of donated
>
> collections?
>
> Dear Hannu,
>
> 1? would be better; within the EU (and the single market) you have
>
> no customs borders anyway, and if you need to send materials to
>
> Norway, Switzerland or Iceland, 1? would be preferable to avoid
>
> import taxes. Usually, the threshold for import tax is low (until the
>
> most recent amendment this year, the minor threshold value was 22?).
>
> Colleagues were charged recently few cent because the declared value
>
> was 5? ...
>
> With best wishes
>
> Dirk
>
> Am 08.03.2022 um 12:48 schrieb Hannu Saarenmaa:
>
> The answer is "nil". In computer science terms that means it does
>
> not exist.  Nil also means "infinite".
>
> Museum objects are irreplaceable. So there is no commercial value.
>
> Or something that can be insured. Natural science collections cannot
>
> be insured.
>
> My company bioshare.com regularly sends collections over the
>
> European Union border, for digitization, that is. While doing that,
>
> we have to put something in the customs forms. And to inform our
>
> insurance company.   So we put there the value of the paper sheets
>
> which carry the [invaluable] herbarium sheets, or other objects.
>
> That currently is 28? per specimen. Do not laugh.  This is how it
>
> works.
>
> Anyway, I still prefer to report "nil" or zero value for the
>
> irreplaceable.  If I can.
>
> Hannu Saarenmaa  www.bioshare.com [1]
>
> On 2022-03-08 11:42, Battermann, Nora wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I thought this a very interesting discussion but understand that it
>
> mainly concerned US institutions. I'd be interested to hear from
>
> European institutions too - how do you estimate the values of
>
> donated collections? I am not aware of a list of appraisers who
>
> specialize in natural history collections in Germany for example and
>
> wonder how other institutions handle acquisitions, especially
>
> donations.
>
> Greetings from sunny Munich,
>
> Nora
>
> ---
>
> Dr. Nora Battermann
>
> Koordination Sammlungsassessment
>
> ---------------------------
>
> Kaulbachstr. 37, III. Stock
>
> D-80539 M?nchen
>
> Telefon:
>
> +49 (0)174 2762445
>
> ---------------------------
>
> www.snsb.de [2]
>
> Am 2022-02-28 19:50, schrieb Tacker, Christopher:
>
> Everyone has offered good advice here.
>
> Apart from conflicts of interest, the one that does the appraisal
>
> stands to get involved with the state or federal tax enforcement. If
>
> the appraisal is called into question, that represents a nearly
>
> limitless time sink in hearings or in court.
>
> We tell donors that we will work with whatever appraiser they
>
> designate. We still get offers of "I'll donate this if you'll get me
>
> an appraisal for X amount of money." That's a big "no, thank you."
>
> Chris Tacker
>
> Chris Tacker, Ph.D., P.G.
>
> Research Curator of Geology
>
> North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences
>
> 11 West Jones St. | Raleigh, NC  27601
>
> Emails to and from this address are subject to NC Public Records Law
>
> and may be disclosed to third parties.
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> From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of
>
> Taylor, Sarah <sarah.taylor at uconn.edu>
>
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 9:32:38 AM
>
> To: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
>
> Subject: [External] [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of
>
> donated collections?
>
> CAUTION: External email. Do not click links or open attachments
>
> unless you verify. Send all suspicious email as an attachment to
>
> Report Spam.
>
> Good morning all,
>
> A colleague at a regional museum reached out to ask me for advice on
>
> how to estimate the value of a collection of donated birds (mostly
>
> skins, some taxidermy mounts). He?s not interested in individual
>
> values for each piece, but a big picture ?lump sum.? I?m sure
>
> this has come up on the listserve before, but I haven?t been able
>
> to
>
> locate it. If anyone has ideas or can point me in the direction of a
>
> resource to send to my colleague, I?d really appreciate it! I have
>
> no appraisal skills myself ? and I?m a botanist ? so I?m at
>
> a
>
> total loss on my end.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sarah
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Sarah Taylor, PhD
>
> Collections Manager, CONN
>
> George Safford Torrey Herbarium
>
> Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
>
> University of Connecticut
>
> 75 North Eagleville Road, Unit 3043
>
> Storrs, Connecticut 06269-3043
>
> U.S.A.
>
> P: 860.486.1889
>
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>
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>
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From jessica.bazeley at yale.edu  Wed Mar  9 12:35:13 2022
From: jessica.bazeley at yale.edu (Utrup, Jessica)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 17:35:13 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] New publication on Collection Assessment
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Dear all,

Just forwarding details of a publication that might be of interest.

Join the Dots: assessing a collection of 80 million items at The Natural History Museum, London

C. Giles Miller a , Philippa Brewer a , Mark Carine b , Gill Comerford c , Helen Hardy b , Andrea Hart d , Sarah Long e , Benjamin W. Price b , Caroline L. Smith a , David A. Smith c , Mel Smith d , Lil Stevens a , Katie Thompson b , Clare Valentine b , Sarah Vincent b , Scott Wilson f and Matt Woodburn b. 2022.

a Department of Earth Sciences, Natural History Museum, London, UK; b Department of Life Sciences, Natural History Museum, London, UK; c Core Research Laboratories, Natural History Museum, London, UK; d Library and Archives, Natural History Museum, London, UK; e Registry, Natural History Museum, London, UK; f Science Resources, Natural History Museum, London, UK

ABSTRACT Collections assessments can inform strategic planning, project management, baseline assessment reports, project cost-benefit analyses, support funding requests and collections advocacy. In 2018, 77 staff at the Natural History Museum, London, took part in a successful collections assessment exercise on its 80 million item collection. 17 questions provided details of the Condition, Importance/Significance, Information available and Outreach use/ potential about 2602 Collection Units covering the entire Natural History science departments and Library and Archives. Results can be displayed and filtered via a bespoke dashboard in Microsoft Power BI, accessed via a web link available internally to all staff. The project successfully recorded the expertise of the curatorial staff and produced the first comprehensive assessment of the Natural History Museum's collection. The methodology is outlined here to encourage other institutions to run the same assessment. Future developments in the methodology such as automation of scoring and development of the dashboard are discussed.

50 free copies are available via this link. Please contact me directly on G.Miller at nhm.ac.uk<mailto:G.Miller at nhm.ac.uk> if the 50 copies run out and I'll post another link if necessary.

https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/HJMKUX9ZWPNXE33UFH5D/full?target=10.1080/09647775.2021.2023900<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tandfonline.com%2Feprint%2FHJMKUX9ZWPNXE33UFH5D%2Ffull%3Ftarget%3D10.1080%2F09647775.2021.2023900&data=04%7C01%7Cjessica.bazeley%40yale.edu%7C9909d32dd6dc42246c9408da01f25f76%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637824437764443035%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=kwf0N0cCxKPvuRcD2m2yQdrwqhboqFjuE4teXF6kqno%3D&reserved=0>

All the best,

Giles

Dr C. Giles Miller
Principal Curator in Charge, Fossil Invertebrates
Natural History Museum
Cromwell Road
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From jennigav at bigpond.net.au  Wed Mar  9 16:11:51 2022
From: jennigav at bigpond.net.au (Gavin Dally)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 06:41:51 +0930
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] 
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The Australian Council of Museum Directors valuation framework for financial reporting can be found here:

https://camd.org.au/files/2018/11/CAMD-Collections-Valuation-Framework-1-Nov-2018.pdf

Cheers,
Gavin Dally

> On 9 Mar 2022, at 9:19 pm, Battermann, Nora <battermann at snsb.de> wrote:
> 
> ?Dear Gavin,
> 
> thanks for your input! Would love to see the guidelines (tried to contact you off list but my email won't go through for some reason)!
> 
> Cheers,
> Nora
> 
> Am 2022-03-09 11:00, schrieb Gavin Dally:
>> ?Hi all,
>> In Australian museums, as there is no commercial value, we use a
>> recollection cost method to value collections. Theoretically how much
>> does it cost to go in the field, preserve, curate, document, store etc
>> a specimen. A premium is added for remote locations and types.
>> It has been very useful in showing administrators how valuable and
>> irreplaceable the collections actually are.
>> Let me know off-list if you would like the valuation guidelines.
>> Cheers,
>> Gavin
>> Gavin Dally
>> Senior Collections Manager, Natural Sciences
>> Museum and Art Gallery of the Northern Territory
>> magnt.net.au [1]
>> street address: 19 Conacher St, The Gardens, Darwin, NT 0820
>> Australia | postal address: GPO Box 4646, Darwin, NT 0801 Australia
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 6:20 pm, Battermann, Nora <battermann at snsb.de>
>>> wrote:
>>> ?Dear all,
>>> thanks for your replies so far. I fully agree with Maria - it would
>>> be incredibly useful to establish a method for estimating the value
>>> of natural history collections. Obviously, the value is
>>> infinite/impossible to measure but unfortunately there are instances
>>> in which we need to put a number on the value of a collection - be
>>> that insurance, posting/taxes, buying/selling or, at least in
>>> Germany for tax purposes, donation receipts.
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Nora
>>> ---
>>> Dr. Nora Battermann
>>> Koordination Sammlungsassessment
>>> ---------------------------
>>> Kaulbachstr. 37, III. Stock
>>> D-80539 M?nchen
>>> Telefon:
>>> +49 (0)174 2762445
>>> ---------------------------
>>> www.snsb.de
>>> Am 2022-03-09 08:11, schrieb Maria Dimaki:
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> indeed, it is a very interesting subject! The last years, I am
>>>> asked
>>>> about the economic value of specimens or collections. Usually from
>>>> donators, for insurance, or other administrative reasons. My
>>>> answer is
>>>> always that each specimen is priceless and that it is impossible
>>>> to
>>>> define the value of a natural history museum collection in euros.
>>>> If the person insists, I answer that is definitely not our job to
>>>> ?tag? a prize on specimens or collection and he should address
>>>> to
>>>> the tax office (and I am sure that they know nothing on the
>>>> subject,
>>>> in Greece).
>>>> For some time know, I believe that, we should establish a method
>>>> to
>>>> estimate the value of Natural History Collections based on their
>>>> scientific, cultural and educational value, by using appropriate
>>>> criteria and a scoring system.
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> Maria
>>>> Dr. Maria Dimaki
>>>> Collections Manager
>>>> In Charge of the Department of Terrestrial Zoology
>>>> Goulandris Natural History Museum
>>>> 100, Othonos St. Kifissia, GR 145 62, Greece
>>>> ???: Dirk Neumann
>>>> ????????: ?????, 8 ??????? 2022 7:39 ??
>>>> ????: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
>>>> ????: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of donated
>>>> collections?
>>>> Dear Hannu,
>>>> 1? would be better; within the EU (and the single market) you
>>>> have
>>>> no customs borders anyway, and if you need to send materials to
>>>> Norway, Switzerland or Iceland, 1? would be preferable to avoid
>>>> import taxes. Usually, the threshold for import tax is low (until
>>>> the
>>>> most recent amendment this year, the minor threshold value was
>>>> 22?).
>>>> Colleagues were charged recently few cent because the declared
>>>> value
>>>> was 5? ...
>>>> With best wishes
>>>> Dirk
>>>>> Am 08.03.2022 um 12:48 schrieb Hannu Saarenmaa:
>>> The answer is "nil". In computer science terms that means it does
>>>> not exist.  Nil also means "infinite".
>>>> Museum objects are irreplaceable. So there is no commercial value.
>>>> Or something that can be insured. Natural science collections
>>>> cannot
>>>> be insured.
>>>> My company bioshare.com regularly sends collections over the
>>>> European Union border, for digitization, that is. While doing
>>>> that,
>>>> we have to put something in the customs forms. And to inform our
>>>> insurance company.   So we put there the value of the paper sheets
>>>> which carry the [invaluable] herbarium sheets, or other objects.
>>>> That currently is 28? per specimen. Do not laugh.  This is how
>>>> it
>>>> works.
>>>> Anyway, I still prefer to report "nil" or zero value for the
>>>> irreplaceable.  If I can.
>>>> Hannu Saarenmaa  www.bioshare.com [1]
>>>> On 2022-03-08 11:42, Battermann, Nora wrote:
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> I thought this a very interesting discussion but understand that
>>>> it
>>>> mainly concerned US institutions. I'd be interested to hear from
>>>> European institutions too - how do you estimate the values of
>>>> donated collections? I am not aware of a list of appraisers who
>>>> specialize in natural history collections in Germany for example
>>>> and
>>>> wonder how other institutions handle acquisitions, especially
>>>> donations.
>>>> Greetings from sunny Munich,
>>>> Nora
>>>> ---
>>>> Dr. Nora Battermann
>>>> Koordination Sammlungsassessment
>>>> ---------------------------
>>>> Kaulbachstr. 37, III. Stock
>>>> D-80539 M?nchen
>>>> Telefon:
>>>> +49 (0)174 2762445
>>>> ---------------------------
>>>> www.snsb.de [2]
>>>> Am 2022-02-28 19:50, schrieb Tacker, Christopher:
>>>> Everyone has offered good advice here.
>>>> Apart from conflicts of interest, the one that does the appraisal
>>>> stands to get involved with the state or federal tax enforcement.
>>>> If
>>>> the appraisal is called into question, that represents a nearly
>>>> limitless time sink in hearings or in court.
>>>> We tell donors that we will work with whatever appraiser they
>>>> designate. We still get offers of "I'll donate this if you'll get
>>>> me
>>>> an appraisal for X amount of money." That's a big "no, thank you."
>>>> Chris Tacker
>>>> Chris Tacker, Ph.D., P.G.
>>>> Research Curator of Geology
>>>> North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences
>>>> 11 West Jones St. | Raleigh, NC  27601
>>>> Emails to and from this address are subject to NC Public Records
>>>> Law
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>>>> From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of
>>>> Taylor, Sarah <sarah.taylor at uconn.edu>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 9:32:38 AM
>>>> To: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
>>>> Subject: [External] [Nhcoll-l] Advice on estimating the value of
>>>> donated collections?
>>>> CAUTION: External email. Do not click links or open attachments
>>>> unless you verify. Send all suspicious email as an attachment to
>>>> Report Spam.
>>>> Good morning all,
>>>> A colleague at a regional museum reached out to ask me for advice
>>>> on
>>>> how to estimate the value of a collection of donated birds (mostly
>>>> skins, some taxidermy mounts). He?s not interested in individual
>>>> values for each piece, but a big picture ?lump sum.? I?m
>>>> sure
>>>> this has come up on the listserve before, but I haven?t been
>>>> able
>>>> to
>>>> locate it. If anyone has ideas or can point me in the direction of
>>>> a
>>>> resource to send to my colleague, I?d really appreciate it! I
>>>> have
>>>> no appraisal skills myself ? and I?m a botanist ? so I?m
>>>> at
>>>> a
>>>> total loss on my end.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Sarah
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Sarah Taylor, PhD
>>>> Collections Manager, CONN
>>>> George Safford Torrey Herbarium
>>>> Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
>>>> University of Connecticut
>>>> 75 North Eagleville Road, Unit 3043
>>>> Storrs, Connecticut 06269-3043
>>>> U.S.A.
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>>>> F: 860.486.4320
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From oleary at amnh.org  Wed Mar  9 18:51:21 2022
From: oleary at amnh.org (Ruth O'Leary)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 23:51:21 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Job Posting: Vertebrate Paleontology Preparator
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With apologies for cross-posting

AMERICAN MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY
An Equal Opportunity Employer

NOTICE OF JOB OPENING
Date:  03/09/2022

Job Title:  Preparator, 2 vacancies (Paleontology, Vertebrates)


Responsibilities & Duties:


The responsibilities and duties of the position include preparation and restoration of vertebrate fossils, especially detailed microscope-based anatomical preparation, using a full range of mechanical and chemical methods; digital preparation such as SEM and CT image processing, and related data collection and management; creating molds and casts; assisting in laboratory operations, and other divisional duties as assigned.

Required Qualifications:

Bachelor?s degree in a related field or HS/GED and equivalent professional experience (typically at least 4 years of specimen or exhibit preparation) required.  Demonstrated high level of professional skill, innovation, and cooperativeness. Outstanding manual dexterity and hand-eye coordination, attention to detail, and patience.  Knowledge of vertebrate anatomy useful. Excellent organizational and interpersonal skills and ability to work independently.

Preferred Qualifications:

Bachelor's degree in life or earth sciences, plus at least one full year of practical experience in preparation, molding and casting. Experience with microscope-based and very hard rock matrix preparation.

Interested parties should apply online:
https://careers.amnh.org/postings/2821

Applications must be received no later than April 15, 2022

Applications must be made via the AMNH jobs link specified above, and cannot be accepted via email or snail mail

**Please Note: Due to the volume of applications, we are not able to respond to email inquires regarding the status of an application**

The American Museum of Natural History is one of the world's preeminent scientific and cultural institutions. Since it?s founding in 1869, the Museum has advanced its global mission to discover, interpret and 
disseminate information about human cultures, the natural world and the universe through a wide-ranging program of scientific research, education and exhibition. The Museum is renowned for its exhibitions and scientific collections, which serve as a field guide to the entire planet and present a panorama of the world's cultures.
The American Museum of Natural History is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer. The Museum does not discriminate with respect to employment, or admission or access to Museum facilities, programs or activities on the basis of race, creed, color, religion, age, disability, marital status, partnership status, gender, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, genetic information, pregnancy, alienage or citizenship status, current or former participation in the uniformed services, status as a veteran, or national or ethnic origin, or on account of any other basis prohibited by applicable City, State, or Federal law. Additional protections are afforded in employment based on arrest or conviction record, status as a victim of domestic violence, stalking and sex offenses, unemployment status, and credit history, in each case to the extent provided by law. If special accommodations are needed in applying for a position, please call the Office of Human Resources.




Ruth O'Leary
Director of Collections, Archives and Preparation
Division of Paleontology
American Museum of Natural History
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New York
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From pwfinkle at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 11 09:01:14 2022
From: pwfinkle at hotmail.com (Patti Finkle)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 14:01:14 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Taxidermy recommendations
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Hello all- I'm posting for a friend, please send replies to the email address in the text. Thanks!


The Panhandle-Plains Historical Museum is looking for contacts for anyone who works on Historic taxidermy mounts housed in Museum Collections. Preferably in Texas or adjacent states.

Please contact ? Veronica Arias at (806) 651-5231 or varias at pphm.wtamu.edu<mailto:varias at pphm.wtamu.edu>. Thank you in advance.

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From liathappleton at gmail.com  Tue Mar 15 12:15:12 2022
From: liathappleton at gmail.com (Liath Appleton)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 11:15:12 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] SPNHC Connection spring edition is online!
Message-ID: <CAEf=rq-PXwmq_LT-pdH71N0R8Y493eQVCh3Cf8nWG8hO7pRuiw@mail.gmail.com>

The spring edition of the SPNHC Connection newsletter is available online.
Log in at spnhc.org and go to
https://spnhc.org/resources/spnhc-connection-march-2022/

You must be logged in to view this page.

The SPNHC Connection newsletter is published twice a year. It contains
reports from the Society?s officers and committees, news items, and other
articles of general interest to the membership.

Liath Appleton
Collections Manager
Non-Vertebrate Paleontology Lab
University of Texas at Austin
Bldg PRC122 - campus mail code R8500
10100 Burnet Road
Austin, TX 78758

SPNHC Connection Editor (newsletter at spnhc.org)
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From cindy-opitz at uiowa.edu  Wed Mar 16 09:49:35 2022
From: cindy-opitz at uiowa.edu (Opitz, Cindy E)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 13:49:35 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] FW: Ukraine: ICOM Poland Appeal
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From our colleagues at ICOM:
Dear SPNHC Community,

Please see below an appeal from ICOM-Poland regarding the support of Ukranian museum professionals.

Dear Colleagues, Dear Friends, in these dramatic days for Ukraine, the Polish Committee of the
International Council of Museums (ICOM Poland) is asking for your support in our efforts to help
Ukrainian museum professionals. In the third week of the Russian aggression on Ukraine, Poland received over 1,7 millions of refugees, mainly women, children and the elderly. Extensive help is
being offered by the Polish population and the local and state governments to assist them.
They often arrive with few, if any, belongings and are in need of shelter, food, medical
supplies and so on. In Ukraine people are not only fighting the aggressor, but also try to
protect and save the cultural heritage: museums, libraries, monuments, architectural gems.
Polish museums and Ministry of Culture and National Heritage are organizing help for
museums and cultural institutions in numerous Ukrainian cities.

What do we do?
ICOM Poland decided to focus on the needs of the museum personnel that found refuge in
our country. With the assistance of ICOM General Secretariat we established an Ukrainian
speaking office and started to locate persons scattered throughout Polish cities. We plan to
provide 3-months individual grants to the museum professionals that will apply. These
grants should help them to accommodate their first needs. At the same time, our office will act as a contact point between the grantees and Polish museums and cultural institutions, so that they may find a job and a welcoming professional milieu. The Polish state already simplified the necessary employment formalities to the minimum.
READ THE REST IN THE ATTACHMENT.


Cindy Opitz (she/her)
Director of Research Collections
Museum of Natural History and Old Capitol Museum
Instructor, Museum Studies Certificate Program
Secretary, SPNHC
The University of Iowa
11 Macbride Hall, Iowa City, Iowa 52242
Office: 319.335.0481
cindy-opitz at uiowa.edu<mailto:cindy-opitz at uiowa.edu>
mnh.uiowa.edu,<https://mnh.uiowa.edu/> oldcap.uiowa.edu<https://oldcap.uiowa.edu/>
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From tamar.danufsky at humboldt.edu  Thu Mar 17 00:48:51 2022
From: tamar.danufsky at humboldt.edu (Tamar Danufsky)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 21:48:51 -0700
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Fwd: Collections manager/facility coordinator position
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References: <CAOKHuFUFOf63Fnmr0QVmagmUGVG=4AXy_MZvOvT18jqnemi+kQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOKHuFX0w2eoN6udYJ-uRPb3UD=NN92efk8S813aeeg_3bdN3Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Greetings,

The WIldlife Dept. at Cal Poly Humboldt (formerly Humboldt State
University) is hiring a combined position Collections Manager (bird and
mammal collection) and oiled wildlife response Facility Coordinator.
Please share widely.

Wildlife Museum Curator (Collections Manager) MWCC Coordinator Department
of Wildlife Job #22-14
Close Date: Sunday, April 10, 2022

Position Summary: Performs curatorial duties in the Wildlife Museum and
provides support for Wildlife courses that utilize museum specimens. With
the Facility Director, coordinates the Marine Wildlife Care Center (MWCC),
facility, equipment maintenance, spill response preparation, and
participation in all aspects of oil spill response.

Key Responsibilies:

75% Curatorial responsibilities in Wildlife Museum. Responsible for over
16,000 specimens, many which are fragile, rare, and irreplaceable.
  1. Provide instructional support for Wildlife classes.
  2. Process incoming material to the museum.
  3. Pest control in the museum.
  4. Manage museum collections databases.
  5. Maintain currency in curatorial techniques and curatorial conservation
issues.
  6. Maintain museum permits.
  7. Disseminate information and facilitate use of the collections by the
scientific community and the public.
  8. Maintain museum files including permits, accessions, loans,
correspondence, specimen data and scientific reports.
  9. Maintain departmental ornithological book collection.
 10. Maintain equipment and supplies.

25% Coordinate MWCC facility Be on call at all times (24/7/365) in case of
an oil spill or individual oiled birds, unless other arrangements are made
with the Facility Director (e.g. for vacation).
  1. Spill response.
  2. Outreach/Coordination.
  3. Maintain facility readiness in coordination with facility director and
HSU facilities maintenance.
  4. Planning and development.
  5. Coordinate training and response with California?s Oiled Wildlife Care
Network.

Please visit https: //
hraps.humboldt.edu/sites/default/files/vacancy_announcements/22-14_vacancy_announcement.pdf
for full job description and application instructions.
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From Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee  Thu Mar 17 04:50:54 2022
From: Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee (Lennart Lennuk)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 08:50:54 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens
Message-ID: <49d9c9a92a114db6ba8b3db95819ed63@loodusmuuseum.ee>

Hi!

Does anybody have lately calculated how many specimens are there in the natural history collections?

Best regards!
Lennart Lennuk
Head of collections
Estonian Museum of Natural History
+372 6603404, 56569916

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From abentley at ku.edu  Thu Mar 17 10:16:04 2022
From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 14:16:04 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens
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Lennart

This is extremely difficult to estimate but estimates range into the billions (3-5 billion in various publications).  We can really only track digitized records and the best way to do this is through GBIF where specimen based records are around 216 million (observation records are close to 2 billion in comparison!!).

[https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/GwHlBWgSSahK3K6RO4pue6K0rRlXR6uGxtmWn-V-DYerXzruT5eBr7ZpuiNVMSa4IB936_94wp6msqL-4Nh2L7-kvETPIoSaoatQle4tAH2rZJtE08VttHso6cQ8AgOLso0Wdoc]

Hope that helps

Andy
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University of Kansas
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1345 Jayhawk Boulevard<x-apple-data-detectors://9/>
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561<x-apple-data-detectors://9/>
USA<x-apple-data-detectors://9/>

Tel: (785) 864-3863<tel:%28785%29%20864-3863>
Fax: (785) 864-5335<tel:%28785%29%20864-5335>
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
ORCID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3093-1258
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 3:51 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens

Hi!

Does anybody have lately calculated how many specimens are there in the natural history collections?

Best regards!
Lennart Lennuk
Head of collections
Estonian Museum of Natural History
+372 6603404, 56569916

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From dssikes at alaska.edu  Thu Mar 17 12:53:26 2022
From: dssikes at alaska.edu (Derek Sikes)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 08:53:26 -0800
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens
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References: <49d9c9a92a114db6ba8b3db95819ed63@loodusmuuseum.ee>
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Message-ID: <CAFV61VEEhwuo=913tEAVx521yadQZbZAMAttALHsdUxSkcWjNg@mail.gmail.com>

It also depends on how one defines specimens.

Some define a specimen as a catalog record, i.e. 1 *or more* specimens
since some catalog records are for 'lots' e.g. 2 ants on 1 pin, or 15
spiders in 1 vial.

Thus, you will get very different numbers if you tally catalog records
based on specimens, compared to tallying the actual specimens themselves.

-Derek

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 6:16 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
wrote:

> Lennart
>
>
>
> This is extremely difficult to estimate but estimates range into the
> billions (3-5 billion in various publications).  We can really only track
> digitized records and the best way to do this is through GBIF where
> specimen based records are around 216 million (observation records are
> close to 2 billion in comparison!!).
>
>
>
> [image:
> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/GwHlBWgSSahK3K6RO4pue6K0rRlXR6uGxtmWn-V-DYerXzruT5eBr7ZpuiNVMSa4IB936_94wp6msqL-4Nh2L7-kvETPIoSaoatQle4tAH2rZJtE08VttHso6cQ8AgOLso0Wdoc]
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> Hope that helps
>
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> Andy
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> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
>
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
> Email: abentley at ku.edu
>
> ORCID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3093-1258
>
> http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> * On Behalf Of *Lennart
> Lennuk
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 17, 2022 3:51 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens
>
>
>
> Hi!
>
>
>
> Does anybody have lately calculated how many specimens are there in the
> natural history collections?
>
>
>
> Best regards!
>
> Lennart Lennuk
>
> Head of collections
>
> Estonian Museum of Natural History
>
> +372 6603404, 56569916
>
>
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> Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate.
>


-- 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
*Derek S. Sikes*, Curator of Insects, Professor of Entomology
University of Alaska Museum (UAM), University of Alaska Fairbanks
1962 Yukon Drive, Fairbanks, AK   99775-6960
dssikes at alaska.edu phone: 907-474-6278 he/him/his
University of Alaska Museum <https://www.uaf.edu/museum/collections/ento/>
-  search 357,704 digitized arthropod records
<http://arctos.database.museum/uam_ento>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Interested in Alaskan Entomology? Join the Alaska Entomological
Society and / or sign up for the email listserv "Alaska Entomological
Network" at
http://www.akentsoc.org/contact_us
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From abentley at ku.edu  Thu Mar 17 12:58:26 2022
From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 16:58:26 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens
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Yes, the whole lot based collection scenario is also a complicating factor.  For instance, our fish collection here at KU only has about 43,000 catalog records (which is reflected as 43,000 records in GBIF) but we have 680,000 specimens!!

Andy
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University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard<x-apple-data-detectors://9/>
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561<x-apple-data-detectors://9/>
USA<x-apple-data-detectors://9/>

Tel: (785) 864-3863<tel:%28785%29%20864-3863>
Fax: (785) 864-5335<tel:%28785%29%20864-5335>
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
ORCID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3093-1258
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>
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From: Derek Sikes <dssikes at alaska.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 11:53 AM
To: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
Cc: Lennart Lennuk <lennart.lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens

It also depends on how one defines specimens.

Some define a specimen as a catalog record, i.e. 1 or more specimens since some catalog records are for 'lots' e.g. 2 ants on 1 pin, or 15 spiders in 1 vial.

Thus, you will get very different numbers if you tally catalog records based on specimens, compared to tallying the actual specimens themselves.

-Derek

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 6:16 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>> wrote:
Lennart

This is extremely difficult to estimate but estimates range into the billions (3-5 billion in various publications).  We can really only track digitized records and the best way to do this is through GBIF where specimen based records are around 216 million (observation records are close to 2 billion in comparison!!).

[https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/GwHlBWgSSahK3K6RO4pue6K0rRlXR6uGxtmWn-V-DYerXzruT5eBr7ZpuiNVMSa4IB936_94wp6msqL-4Nh2L7-kvETPIoSaoatQle4tAH2rZJtE08VttHso6cQ8AgOLso0Wdoc]

Hope that helps

Andy
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University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA

Tel: (785) 864-3863<tel:%28785%29%20864-3863>
Fax: (785) 864-5335<tel:%28785%29%20864-5335>
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
ORCID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3093-1258<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Forcid.org%2F0000-0002-3093-1258&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C107832bdd6364b96254508da0836af86%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637831328224508348%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=ATJscygd%2FgPcWFQCJPEDrNubrnTV1f0yl%2BYEJuWJtj8%3D&reserved=0>
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 3:51 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens

Hi!

Does anybody have lately calculated how many specimens are there in the natural history collections?

Best regards!
Lennart Lennuk
Head of collections
Estonian Museum of Natural History
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From james.macklin at AGR.GC.CA  Thu Mar 17 12:59:13 2022
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Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 16:59:13 +0000
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This is a very challenging question and as Derek rightly points out, definitions and metrics matter! We should consider this a grand challenge and have a contest to see what kind of answers we get. Would need some good prizes though?

But for now my thinking is that we just say we have ?lots?! ? lol

JAmes

From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Derek Sikes
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 12:53 PM
To: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens

It also depends on how one defines specimens.

Some define a specimen as a catalog record, i.e. 1 or more specimens since some catalog records are for 'lots' e.g. 2 ants on 1 pin, or 15 spiders in 1 vial.

Thus, you will get very different numbers if you tally catalog records based on specimens, compared to tallying the actual specimens themselves.

-Derek

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 6:16 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>> wrote:
Lennart

This is extremely difficult to estimate but estimates range into the billions (3-5 billion in various publications).  We can really only track digitized records and the best way to do this is through GBIF where specimen based records are around 216 million (observation records are close to 2 billion in comparison!!).

[https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/GwHlBWgSSahK3K6RO4pue6K0rRlXR6uGxtmWn-V-DYerXzruT5eBr7ZpuiNVMSa4IB936_94wp6msqL-4Nh2L7-kvETPIoSaoatQle4tAH2rZJtE08VttHso6cQ8AgOLso0Wdoc]

Hope that helps

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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens

Hi!

Does anybody have lately calculated how many specimens are there in the natural history collections?

Best regards!
Lennart Lennuk
Head of collections
Estonian Museum of Natural History
+372 6603404, 56569916

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University of Alaska Museum (UAM), University of Alaska Fairbanks
1962 Yukon Drive, Fairbanks, AK   99775-6960
dssikes at alaska.edu<mailto:dssikes at alaska.edu> phone: 907-474-6278 he/him/his
University of Alaska Museum<https://www.uaf.edu/museum/collections/ento/>  -  search 357,704 digitized arthropod records<http://arctos.database.museum/uam_ento>
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From JMGAGNON at nature.ca  Thu Mar 17 15:57:05 2022
From: JMGAGNON at nature.ca (Jean-Marc Gagnon)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 19:57:05 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re:  How many specimens
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Lennart,

This is an interesting question, one that we (at CMN) tried to addressed a few years ago.

I personally don?t like to refer to ?number of specimens? in our collections since we don?t typically manage the number of specimens but rather the lots. Two fish samples with 10 and 20 specimens are pretty much managed the same way. But still, being a curator of invertebrate collections, it is difficult to properly express as a number the amount of copepods in a plankton sample (whether it is sorted by species or maintained as a faunal assemblage).

However, the ?total number of specimens? in collection is a value that is often used to represent the size of collections and to some extent, to give non-museum people a sense of how big natural history collections can be in comparison to an art museum, as an example. For that reason, our museum used to boast 10.4 millions specimens in our collections, a value calculated in the late 1990?s but without any indication of how that value was obtained.

In 2016, we though it would be a good exercise to update that estimate and record the process so that it can be more easily updated in the future. We now have (or more precisely, state that we have) 14.6 millions specimens/objects in our collections, a number that we frequently use in our communication with government, the general public and potential donors to provide a reference in terms of magnitude.

To reach that number, we needed to make a number of assumptions. These assumptions made sense at the time, and may not be the same as the one made explicitly or implicitly by other large museums like the Smithsonian (?more than 146 million objects and specimens?), the Natural History Museum (?some 80 million items?), or the Mus?um national d?histoire naturel de Paris (?au total, 68 millions?).

Assumptions and working principles the CMN collections:

  *   For collections like pinned insects, which typically work with single specimens as a unit, we estimated of the total number of specimens. Subsampling was used on occasion to obtain a better estimate.
  *   For collections like our Fish Collection, which is fully databased and record the number of specimens per lot/sample, we could use the total count reported from the database.
  *   For collections where the number of specimens per lot is greater than one and not necessarily or consistently recorded, we either did subsampling or assumed a conservative number per sample to obtain a better estimate. For example, we typically use a conservative, average value of 10 specimens per lots for the Mollusc Collection.
  *   For collections like Vascular Plants and Mineralogy, where one could assume that there is one specimen per sheet or one mineral per box, subsampling showed that it can be more than 1. As a result, we used different average counts for different portions of the collection, ranging from 1 to 3 specimens per sheet or 1 to 1.5 specimens per mineral collection.
  *   Coming back to the lots/samples with such large amount of specimens in them that they could not be reasonably estimated (e.g., plankton samples), as is the case for our Faunal Assemblage Collection, we resorted to only reporting the number of lots/samples, which is obviously a huge underestimation of the number of specimens.
  *   Finally, for our diatom/micro-algae collection, where the number of specimens (i.e., cells and chains) can be in the millions, if not billions per lot/sample, estimated number of specimens were obtained by extrapolating from the portion examined on a slide or a SEM mounts to the know volume examined. Therefore, in this instance, we kept the value at a very conservative level (in the few millions), knowing that the real value is probably in the multiple billions.

As you can see, lots of steps and assumptions along the way. And is that 14.6 millions specimens a reasonable estimate for our museum? Probably not (it should be in the billions is we take all unicellular organisms into consideration, but at least we can back it up.

I hope this helps.

Jean-Marc

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Macklin, James
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This is a very challenging question and as Derek rightly points out, definitions and metrics matter! We should consider this a grand challenge and have a contest to see what kind of answers we get. Would need some good prizes though?

But for now my thinking is that we just say we have ?lots?! ? lol

JAmes

From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Derek Sikes
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 12:53 PM
To: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>
Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens

It also depends on how one defines specimens.

Some define a specimen as a catalog record, i.e. 1 or more specimens since some catalog records are for 'lots' e.g. 2 ants on 1 pin, or 15 spiders in 1 vial.

Thus, you will get very different numbers if you tally catalog records based on specimens, compared to tallying the actual specimens themselves.

-Derek

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 6:16 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>> wrote:
Lennart

This is extremely difficult to estimate but estimates range into the billions (3-5 billion in various publications).  We can really only track digitized records and the best way to do this is through GBIF where specimen based records are around 216 million (observation records are close to 2 billion in comparison!!).

[https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/GwHlBWgSSahK3K6RO4pue6K0rRlXR6uGxtmWn-V-DYerXzruT5eBr7ZpuiNVMSa4IB936_94wp6msqL-4Nh2L7-kvETPIoSaoatQle4tAH2rZJtE08VttHso6cQ8AgOLso0Wdoc]

Hope that helps

Andy
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens

Hi!

Does anybody have lately calculated how many specimens are there in the natural history collections?

Best regards!
Lennart Lennuk
Head of collections
Estonian Museum of Natural History
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For those interested in how to deal with numerous jars of
too-many-to-efficiently-count specimens: We often guess the count of the
contents (like the old game of guessing the number of jellybeans in a jar).

I was curious how good our guesses were, so just before the pandemic an
undergraduate looking for a museum project checked.

Our results were published in the Alaska Entomological Society Newsletter:
http://www.akentsoc.org/doc/AKES_newsletter_2020_n1_a08.pdf

Short answer: our guesses were on average under-counts of the number of
specimens.

"The sum of the original counts of the 1,099 vials in our sample was
272,033 specimens. Assuming our subsample was representative, we estimate
these 1,099 vials probably hold closer to 421,749 specimens."

-Derek

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 11:57 AM Jean-Marc Gagnon <JMGAGNON at nature.ca>
wrote:

> Lennart,
>
>
>
> This is an interesting question, one that we (at CMN) tried to addressed a
> few years ago.
>
>
>
> I personally don?t like to refer to ?number of specimens? in our
> collections since we don?t typically manage the number of specimens but
> rather the lots. Two fish samples with 10 and 20 specimens are pretty much
> managed the same way. But still, being a curator of invertebrate
> collections, it is difficult to properly express as a number the amount of
> copepods in a plankton sample (whether it is sorted by species or
> maintained as a faunal assemblage).
>
>
>
> However, the ?total number of specimens? in collection is a value that is
> often used to represent the size of collections and to some extent, to give
> non-museum people a sense of how big natural history collections can be in
> comparison to an art museum, as an example. For that reason, our museum
> used to boast 10.4 millions specimens in our collections, a value
> calculated in the late 1990?s but without any indication of how that value
> was obtained.
>
>
>
> In 2016, we though it would be a good exercise to update that estimate and
> record the process so that it can be more easily updated in the future. We
> now have (or more precisely, state that we have) 14.6 millions
> specimens/objects in our collections, a number that we frequently use in
> our communication with government, the general public and potential donors
> to provide a reference in terms of magnitude.
>
>
>
> To reach that number, we needed to make a number of assumptions. These
> assumptions made sense at the time, and may not be the same as the one made
> explicitly or implicitly by other large museums like the Smithsonian (?more
> than 146 million objects and specimens?), the Natural History Museum (?some
> 80 million items?), or the Mus?um national d?histoire naturel de Paris (?au
> total, 68 millions?).
>
>
>
> Assumptions and working principles the CMN collections:
>
>    - For collections like pinned insects, which typically work with
>    single specimens as a unit, we estimated of the total number of specimens.
>    Subsampling was used on occasion to obtain a better estimate.
>    - For collections like our Fish Collection, which is fully databased
>    and record the number of specimens per lot/sample, we could use the total
>    count reported from the database.
>    - For collections where the number of specimens per lot is greater
>    than one and not necessarily or consistently recorded, we either did
>    subsampling or assumed a conservative number per sample to obtain a better
>    estimate. For example, we typically use a conservative, average value of 10
>    specimens per lots for the Mollusc Collection.
>    - For collections like Vascular Plants and Mineralogy, where one could
>    assume that there is one specimen per sheet or one mineral per box,
>    subsampling showed that it can be more than 1. As a result, we used
>    different average counts for different portions of the collection, ranging
>    from 1 to 3 specimens per sheet or 1 to 1.5 specimens per mineral
>    collection.
>    - Coming back to the lots/samples with such large amount of specimens
>    in them that they could not be reasonably estimated (e.g., plankton
>    samples), as is the case for our Faunal Assemblage Collection, we resorted
>    to only reporting the number of lots/samples, which is obviously a huge
>    underestimation of the number of specimens.
>    - Finally, for our diatom/micro-algae collection, where the number of
>    specimens (i.e., cells and chains) can be in the millions, if not billions
>    per lot/sample, estimated number of specimens were obtained by
>    extrapolating from the portion examined on a slide or a SEM mounts to the
>    know volume examined. Therefore, in this instance, we kept the value at a
>    very conservative level (in the few millions), knowing that the real value
>    is probably in the multiple billions.
>
>
>
> As you can see, lots of steps and assumptions along the way. And is that
> 14.6 millions specimens a reasonable estimate for our museum? Probably not
> (it should be in the billions is we take all unicellular organisms into
> consideration, but at least we can back it up.
>
>
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Jean-Marc
>
>
>
> *Jean-Marc Gagnon*, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui)
>
> Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist
>
> Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef
>
> *Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature*
>
> 613 364 4066
>
> 613 851-7556 cell
>
> 613 364 4027 Fax
>
> jmgagnon at nature.ca
>
>
>
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>
> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Macklin,
> James
> *Sent:* March 17, 2022 12:59 PM
> *To:* Derek Sikes <dssikes at alaska.edu>; Bentley, Andrew Charles <
> abentley at ku.edu>
> *Cc:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens
>
>
>
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> sender.
>
> This is a very challenging question and as Derek rightly points out,
> definitions and metrics matter! We should consider this a grand challenge
> and have a contest to see what kind of answers we get. Would need some good
> prizes though?
>
>
>
> But for now my thinking is that we just say we have ?lots?! J lol
>
>
>
> JAmes
>
>
>
> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Derek
> Sikes
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 17, 2022 12:53 PM
> *To:* Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> *Cc:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens
>
>
>
> It also depends on how one defines specimens.
>
>
>
> Some define a specimen as a catalog record, i.e. 1 *or more* specimens
> since some catalog records are for 'lots' e.g. 2 ants on 1 pin, or 15
> spiders in 1 vial.
>
>
>
> Thus, you will get very different numbers if you tally catalog records
> based on specimens, compared to tallying the actual specimens themselves.
>
>
>
> -Derek
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 6:16 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Lennart
>
>
>
> This is extremely difficult to estimate but estimates range into the
> billions (3-5 billion in various publications).  We can really only track
> digitized records and the best way to do this is through GBIF where
> specimen based records are around 216 million (observation records are
> close to 2 billion in comparison!!).
>
>
>
> [image:
> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/GwHlBWgSSahK3K6RO4pue6K0rRlXR6uGxtmWn-V-DYerXzruT5eBr7ZpuiNVMSa4IB936_94wp6msqL-4Nh2L7-kvETPIoSaoatQle4tAH2rZJtE08VttHso6cQ8AgOLso0Wdoc]
>
>
>
> Hope that helps
>
>
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Bentley
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
>
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
> Email: abentley at ku.edu
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Lennart
> Lennuk
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 17, 2022 3:51 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens
>
>
>
> Hi!
>
>
>
> Does anybody have lately calculated how many specimens are there in the
> natural history collections?
>
>
>
> Best regards!
>
> Lennart Lennuk
>
> Head of collections
>
> Estonian Museum of Natural History
>
> +372 6603404, 56569916
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-- 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
*Derek S. Sikes*, Curator of Insects, Professor of Entomology
University of Alaska Museum (UAM), University of Alaska Fairbanks
1962 Yukon Drive, Fairbanks, AK   99775-6960
dssikes at alaska.edu phone: 907-474-6278 he/him/his
University of Alaska Museum <https://www.uaf.edu/museum/collections/ento/>
-  search 357,704 digitized arthropod records
<http://arctos.database.museum/uam_ento>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From peterar at berkeley.edu  Thu Mar 17 16:50:24 2022
From: peterar at berkeley.edu (Peter A Rauch)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 13:50:24 -0700
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: How many specimens
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I've heard the questions --How many? How big? How much?-- repeatedly asked
for the past 6 decades, and mostly I've heard responses that convey little
information about one's collection.

Does it really matter "how many?" (and its complementary question, "how
many $$$ is it valued at?")?

Without providing a (sound, credible, measurable) context, the "size" of
one's collection (or museum) really has no serviceable meaning.

If we don't describe "contexts" that have one (at least, of many) societal
meaning (incl. scientific, but that's not enough), we're blowing smoke,
pixxing in the wind, talking to ourselves.

Tell me why your collection or museum or specimen or lot or ... is
"important" / "meaningful" / "valuable"  every time you report a count.
Did your collection / museum have value in the past; will it have value in
the future?  How did/do you estimate those values (not counts)
(assumptions, methodology, ...)?

Peter R

*From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Lennart
>> Lennuk
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 17, 2022 3:51 AM
>> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
>> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] How many specimens
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Does anybody have lately calculated how many specimens are there in the
>> natural history collections?
>>
>> Best regards!
>>
>> Lennart Lennuk
>>
>> Head of collections
>>
>> Estonian Museum of Natural History
>>
>> +372 6603404, 56569916
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> cmnEmailFooterDefault.
>>
>
>
> --
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> *Derek S. Sikes*, Curator of Insects, Professor of Entomology
> University of Alaska Museum (UAM), University of Alaska Fairbanks
> 1962 Yukon Drive, Fairbanks, AK   99775-6960
> dssikes at alaska.edu phone: 907-474-6278 he/him/his
> University of Alaska Museum <https://www.uaf.edu/museum/collections/ento/>
> -  search 357,704 digitized arthropod records
> <http://arctos.database.museum/uam_ento>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Interested in Alaskan Entomology? Join the Alaska Entomological
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From pentcheff at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 00:29:31 2022
From: pentcheff at gmail.com (Dean Pentcheff)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 21:29:31 -0700
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
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I concur with Andy's recommendation of Onset HOBO data loggers.

We've used a number of them for quite a few years. They have been
remarkably stable and dependable. All the units we deployed in 2014 are
still functioning just fine (along with newer ones we've purchased since
then).

Here in Southern California, we can even get away with using an "indoor"
sensor outdoors in an appropriate outdoor temperature instrument screened
housing. But I don't recommend that for locations with actual weather.

-Dean
-- 
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pentcheff at gmail.com
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https://research.nhm.org/disco



On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 6:27 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
wrote:

> Lennart
>
>
>
> I would suggest HOBO recorders from Onset.  There are various different
> models that are battery operated and can be downloaded through Bluetooth
> connection to your smartphone for transfer to your computer.  They also
> have an LCD display for real time monitoring.
>
>
>
> The ones that we use for monitoring our collection spaces are these:
> https://www.onsetcomp.com/products/data-loggers/mx1101
>
>
>
> We have been using them for a long time and they are great.  Small enough
> to monitor microclimates within cases as well as entire rooms.
>
>
>
> Andy
>
>     A  :             A  :             A  :
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> Andy Bentley
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
>
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
> Email: abentley at ku.edu
>
> ORCID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3093-1258
>
> http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu
>
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>
>
> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> * On Behalf Of *Lennart
> Lennuk
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 8, 2022 5:40 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
>
>
>
> Hi!
>
> Can you please suggest good monitoring systems for collections in Europe.
>
> What do I need (internet cable, wifi, electricity) to install the loggers
> into collections?
>
>
>
> Best regards!
>
> Lennart Lennuk
>
> Head of collections
>
> Estonian Museum of Natural History
>
> +372 6603404, 56569916
>
>
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>
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From esther.dondorp at naturalis.nl  Wed Mar 23 05:24:20 2022
From: esther.dondorp at naturalis.nl (Esther Dondorp)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:24:20 +0100
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens
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Dear colleagues,

Does anyone have experience with Diffusible Iodine-based Contrast-enhanced
Computed Tomography (DICE-CT) performed on fluid preserved natural history
specimens? I want to know if it is really non destructive, if the specimens
do stay stable for the next many years or more after this treatment?

Many thanks!

Esther Dondorp
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From bethanypalumbo at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 09:06:02 2022
From: bethanypalumbo at gmail.com (Bethany Palumbo)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 13:06:02 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] JOB POSTING,
 Conservator (x 2) for Natural History Museum Denmark
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Dear all,

The Natural History Museum of Denmark is seeking 2 experienced natural
history conservators to join the Conservation Unit and assist with the
preparation of objects for the new permanent galleries at the NHMD. The
position is available from July 1th 2022 or as soon thereafter. Currently
the position is funded for a 2-year period, with the possibility of an
extension. The main role of the conservators is to help the Head of
Conservation Unit with planning and undertaking varied object treatments,
and the supervision of interns and volunteers. The post holders will also
collaboratively create and maintain an online presence for the NHMD
Conservation Unit via various social media formats and through the creation
of an online blog.

The advertisement for this role and application link can be found at:
https://candidate.hr-manager.net/ApplicationInit.aspx/?cid=1307&departmentId=19220&ProjectId=156027&MediaId=5&SkipAdvertisement=false

Within Denmark it is usual practice for salaries to not be included in job
postings, but I asked HR and they have sent me the following guidance for
salaries (it is in Danish kroner!) :

The salary scale for Bachelors:

340,576 ? 401,145 dkk (includes pension)



The salary scale for Masters:

372,206 ? 453,541 dkk (includes pension)


The successful candidate will also have the opportunity to negotiate a pay
supplement on top of their salary for additional relevant experience. This
is done with the assistance of a Union representative.


If you have any questions about the role or would like more information
about the job, the museum of life in Copenhagen, then feel free to contact
me off-list.


All the best,
-- 
Bethany Palumbo, ACR
Head of Conservation Unit

Statens Naturhistoriske Museum
Universitetsparken 15, 2100 K?benhavn



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From eb468 at drexel.edu  Wed Mar 23 09:39:37 2022
From: eb468 at drexel.edu (Benamy,Elana)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 13:39:37 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] VP of Collections and Research,
 Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University
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Hello,


The Academy has created a new VP position to support collections and is looking to get the word out as broadly as possible.  The SPNHC and nhcoll communities seem to be the perfect places to seek candidates for this position.


Thank you,


Elana Benamy

Curatorial Assistant, Botany

Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University


Please place the following job announcement on the SPNHC website:


https://careers.drexel.edu/en-us/job/498021/vice-president-of-collections-and-research

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From kf573 at drexel.edu  Wed Mar 23 09:36:21 2022
From: kf573 at drexel.edu (Ferry,Kelly)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 13:36:21 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] The Academy of Natural Sciences - VP Collections and
 Research job opening
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Hello,
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From gregory.watkins-colwell at yale.edu  Wed Mar 23 09:59:10 2022
From: gregory.watkins-colwell at yale.edu (Watkins-Colwell, Gregory)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 13:59:10 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens
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We consider it "destructive sampling" because the specimen is forever altered.  Rinsing in multiple washes of ethanol can get the specimen back to near original color (though likely pulling out more pigments and other etoh-soluble organics in the process).  However, the odds are pretty good that there's still iodine in the specimen somewhere... and that could impact future use.  So because of that we consider it a form of destructive sampling.

I also suspect there is damage done during the long soak in the aqueous solution.  I know some folks have used iodine dissolved in ethanol because of that reason and it may help, though it also might not stain as well thus permanently altering a specimen for insufficient gain.  I tend to just document the process, call it destructive, and not dictate that the iodine be in ETOH.  I also request that it be returned in ETOH, but not "washed".  I can do that here and have more control over how many ETOH soaks it gets before going back into the collection.  Generally they all get their own jar too so they can't accidentally stain a room-mate.  And I'd rather there be slightly more iodine left in the specimen than risk damaging it by repeated ETOH changes.

My 2 cents.... Maybe 3.

Greg




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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Esther Dondorp
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 5:24 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens

Dear colleagues,

Does anyone have experience with Diffusible Iodine-based Contrast-enhanced Computed Tomography (DICE-CT) performed on fluid preserved natural history specimens? I want to know if it is really non destructive, if the specimens do stay stable for the next many years or more after this treatment?

Many thanks!

Esther Dondorp
Senior Collectiebeheerder
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From abentley at ku.edu  Wed Mar 23 10:01:29 2022
From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 14:01:29 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens
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Esther

The oVert project here in the US has had extensive experience with diceCT and have developed the attached protocol.  Jaimi Gray would be the person to contact in this regard - jaimigray at floridamuseum.ufl.edu.  She also co-authored the following publication - https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ece3.7467

Hope that helps

Andy
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Esther Dondorp
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 4:24 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens

Dear colleagues,

Does anyone have experience with Diffusible Iodine-based Contrast-enhanced Computed Tomography (DICE-CT) performed on fluid preserved natural history specimens? I want to know if it is really non destructive, if the specimens do stay stable for the next many years or more after this treatment?

Many thanks!

Esther Dondorp
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From zrandall at flmnh.ufl.edu  Wed Mar 23 11:08:38 2022
From: zrandall at flmnh.ufl.edu (Randall, Zachary)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:08:38 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens
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The biggest issue with diceCT has been soft-tissue shrinkage, but this has been remedied by using Sorensen's buffer as published by Dawood et al. 2021. This is the buffer used in the Gray protocol shared by Andy. Links to the Dawood paper as well as others of potential interest are below.

Dawood et al. 2021: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-99202-2
Early et al. 2020: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0238783
Hedrick et al. 2018: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325862458_Assessing_Soft-Tissue_Shrinkage_Estimates_in_Museum_Specimens_Imaged_With_Diffusible_Iodine-Based_Contrast-Enhanced_Computed_Tomography_diceCT

Best,
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Esther

The oVert project here in the US has had extensive experience with diceCT and have developed the attached protocol.  Jaimi Gray would be the person to contact in this regard - jaimigray at floridamuseum.ufl.edu.  She also co-authored the following publication - https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ece3.7467<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__onlinelibrary.wiley.com_doi_full_10.1002_ece3.7467&d=DwMFAw&c=sJ6xIWYx-zLMB3EPkvcnVg&r=BsjUEaAzErVnOJA4kXSO_g&m=wxRvIT13YXc8ucW2LYysYhhystArFtc5AC6Huxs4v4j4YjmlTq3sRNo8vY0lOvOL&s=PCoqPP0RplincQmDRfDfKbAf08gmtmu0zMnevmF7kYE&e=>

Hope that helps

Andy
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Esther Dondorp
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 4:24 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens

Dear colleagues,

Does anyone have experience with Diffusible Iodine-based Contrast-enhanced Computed Tomography (DICE-CT) performed on fluid preserved natural history specimens? I want to know if it is really non destructive, if the specimens do stay stable for the next many years or more after this treatment?

Many thanks!

Esther Dondorp
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From: MilenskyC at si.edu (Milensky, Christopher)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:06:48 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens
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I agree with everything Greg stated and we consider it destructive sampling as well.  The staining and other alterations are permanent and specimens should be stored separately when returned to the collection with notes about the staining and scanning methods used.  In the birds we tested, the internal organs are stained permanently as shown in scans done before and after 'destaining'.

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Watkins-Colwell, Gregory
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 9:59 AM
To: Esther Dondorp <esther.dondorp at naturalis.nl>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens

External Email - Exercise Caution
We consider it "destructive sampling" because the specimen is forever altered.  Rinsing in multiple washes of ethanol can get the specimen back to near original color (though likely pulling out more pigments and other etoh-soluble organics in the process).  However, the odds are pretty good that there's still iodine in the specimen somewhere... and that could impact future use.  So because of that we consider it a form of destructive sampling.

I also suspect there is damage done during the long soak in the aqueous solution.  I know some folks have used iodine dissolved in ethanol because of that reason and it may help, though it also might not stain as well thus permanently altering a specimen for insufficient gain.  I tend to just document the process, call it destructive, and not dictate that the iodine be in ETOH.  I also request that it be returned in ETOH, but not "washed".  I can do that here and have more control over how many ETOH soaks it gets before going back into the collection.  Generally they all get their own jar too so they can't accidentally stain a room-mate.  And I'd rather there be slightly more iodine left in the specimen than risk damaging it by repeated ETOH changes.

My 2 cents.... Maybe 3.

Greg




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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Esther Dondorp
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 5:24 AM
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens

Dear colleagues,

Does anyone have experience with Diffusible Iodine-based Contrast-enhanced Computed Tomography (DICE-CT) performed on fluid preserved natural history specimens? I want to know if it is really non destructive, if the specimens do stay stable for the next many years or more after this treatment?

Many thanks!

Esther Dondorp
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From catfish at utexas.edu  Wed Mar 23 14:49:30 2022
From: catfish at utexas.edu (David Cannatella)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 13:49:30 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens
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Hi all,
I thought I'd share some non-experimental observations on Lugol's solution
and its effect on formalin fixed material, specifically frogs.

I have not used in DICE-CT. However, I have dissected muscles on hundreds
of frogs, using Lugol's to improve visualization of muscles and enhance
photography.

I used a "standard" histology-type solution of iodine and potassium iodide
in 70% ethanol, not water. I'd reflect the skin to allow the stain to
penetrate quickly, and did the dissections in layers, exposing deeper
muscles and re-staining. I moved the specimen directly for storage alcohol
to the Lugols with no rinsing. Often a specimen was re-stained
several times, and destained in 70% ethanol (which was discarded after a
few uses). I never noticed any desiccation or softening of the muscles or
other organs such as the liver or intestines, but I was not collecting data
on this.
I did not measure changes in pH, but I threw out the Lugols after a week
to avoid potential acidification. I did not notice softening of bones, as
some have seen.

After muscle dissections, I would sometimes clear and stain the specimen
using standard alizarin-alcian blue techniques. The specimens seemed to
take up both the alizarin and alcian stains more quickly and evenly than
did an untreated specimen.  Perhaps this was a mordant effect of the iodine.

Based on these qualitative but numerous observations, as a curator I would
have little reservation about allowing DICE-CT staining of specimens, but
bear in mind that I was working with generally smaller vertebrates that
were sufficiently stained in 3-6 hours.

Of course, it should be noted in the catalog that the specimen was treated
in this way, to inform future researchers.

Best,
Dave








On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 9:01 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
wrote:

> Esther
>
>
>
> The oVert project here in the US has had extensive experience with diceCT
> and have developed the attached protocol.  Jaimi Gray would be the person
> to contact in this regard - jaimigray at floridamuseum.ufl.edu.  She also
> co-authored the following publication -
> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ece3.7467
>
>
>
> Hope that helps
>
>
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Bentley
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
>
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> * On Behalf Of *Esther
> Dondorp
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2022 4:24 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens
>
>
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
>
>
> Does anyone have experience with Diffusible Iodine-based
> Contrast-enhanced Computed Tomography (DICE-CT) performed on fluid
> preserved natural history specimens? I want to know if it is really non
> destructive, if the specimens do stay stable for the next many years or
> more after this treatment?
>
>
>
> Many thanks!
>
>
>
> Esther Dondorp
>
> Senior Collectiebeheerder
>
>
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From couteaufin at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 23 15:22:17 2022
From: couteaufin at btinternet.com (Simon Moore)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:22:17 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens
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Many thanks for these ?aside? observations Dave,

I know nothing of the DICE-CT technique having never needed to use it; however, the thought that Lugol?s iodine or the use of iodine as a pre-staining mordant for alizarin transparency preparations is most interesting. Do you or does anyone have any idea of how this enhancement might work?

With all good wishes, Simon

Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR
Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian,

www.natural-history-conservation.com




> On 23 Mar 2022, at 18:49, David Cannatella <catfish at utexas.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I thought I'd share some non-experimental observations on Lugol's solution and its effect on formalin fixed material, specifically frogs.
> 
> I have not used in DICE-CT. However, I have dissected muscles on hundreds of frogs, using Lugol's to improve visualization of muscles and enhance photography.
> 
> I used a "standard" histology-type solution of iodine and potassium iodide in 70% ethanol, not water. I'd reflect the skin to allow the stain to penetrate quickly, and did the dissections in layers, exposing deeper muscles and re-staining. I moved the specimen directly for storage alcohol to the Lugols with no rinsing. Often a specimen was re-stained several times, and destained in 70% ethanol (which was discarded after a few uses). I never noticed any desiccation or softening of the muscles or other organs such as the liver or intestines, but I was not collecting data on this.
> I did not measure changes in pH, but I threw out the Lugols after a week to avoid potential acidification. I did not notice softening of bones, as some have seen. 
> 
> After muscle dissections, I would sometimes clear and stain the specimen using standard alizarin-alcian blue techniques. The specimens seemed to take up both the alizarin and alcian stains more quickly and evenly than did an untreated specimen.  Perhaps this was a mordant effect of the iodine.
> 
> Based on these qualitative but numerous observations, as a curator I would have little reservation about allowing DICE-CT staining of specimens, but bear in mind that I was working with generally smaller vertebrates that were sufficiently stained in 3-6 hours.
> 
> Of course, it should be noted in the catalog that the specimen was treated in this way, to inform future researchers.
> 
> Best,
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 9:01 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu> wrote:
> Esther
> 
>  
> 
> The oVert project here in the US has had extensive experience with diceCT and have developed the attached protocol.  Jaimi Gray would be the person to contact in this regard - jaimigray at floridamuseum.ufl.edu.  She also co-authored the following publication - https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ece3.7467
> 
>  
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
>  
> 
> Andy
> 
>     A  :             A  :             A  :
>  }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?>
>     V                V                V
> Andy Bentley
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
> 
> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
> 
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
> Fax: (785) 864-5335 
> Email: abentley at ku.edu  
> 
> ORCID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3093-1258
> 
> http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu
> 
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> 
>  
> 
> From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Esther Dondorp
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 4:24 AM
> To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> Subject: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens
> 
>  
> 
> Dear colleagues,
> 
>  
> 
> Does anyone have experience with Diffusible Iodine-based Contrast-enhanced Computed Tomography (DICE-CT) performed on fluid preserved natural history specimens? I want to know if it is really non destructive, if the specimens do stay stable for the next many years or more after this treatment? 
> 
>  
> 
> Many thanks!
> 
>  
> 
> Esther Dondorp
> 
> Senior Collectiebeheerder
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - -
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From catfish at utexas.edu  Wed Mar 23 15:40:23 2022
From: catfish at utexas.edu (David Cannatella)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 14:40:23 -0500
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens
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Simon et al.,
I know from experience with histology that certain mordants such as
phosphotungstic and phosphomolybdic acid enhance staining of paraffin
sections. I assumed that the iodine might be doing something similar, but
I'm just guessing.

Dave

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 2:22 PM Simon Moore <couteaufin at btinternet.com>
wrote:

> Many thanks for these ?aside? observations Dave,
>
> I know nothing of the DICE-CT technique having never needed to use it;
> however, the thought that Lugol?s iodine or the use of iodine as a
> pre-staining mordant for alizarin transparency preparations is most
> interesting. Do you or does anyone have any idea of how this enhancement
> might work?
>
> With all good wishes, Simon
>
> Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR
> Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian,
>
> www.natural-history-conservation.com
>
>
>
>
> On 23 Mar 2022, at 18:49, David Cannatella <catfish at utexas.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I thought I'd share some non-experimental observations on Lugol's solution
> and its effect on formalin fixed material, specifically frogs.
>
> I have not used in DICE-CT. However, I have dissected muscles on hundreds
> of frogs, using Lugol's to improve visualization of muscles and enhance
> photography.
>
> I used a "standard" histology-type solution of iodine and potassium iodide
> in 70% ethanol, not water. I'd reflect the skin to allow the stain to
> penetrate quickly, and did the dissections in layers, exposing
> deeper muscles and re-staining. I moved the specimen directly for storage
> alcohol to the Lugols with no rinsing. Often a specimen was re-stained
> several times, and destained in 70% ethanol (which was discarded after
> a few uses). I never noticed any desiccation or softening of the muscles or
> other organs such as the liver or intestines, but I was not collecting data
> on this.
> I did not measure changes in pH, but I threw out the Lugols after a week
> to avoid potential acidification. I did not notice softening of bones, as
> some have seen.
>
> After muscle dissections, I would sometimes clear and stain the specimen
> using standard alizarin-alcian blue techniques. The specimens seemed to
> take up both the alizarin and alcian stains more quickly and evenly
> than did an untreated specimen.  Perhaps this was a mordant effect of the
> iodine.
>
> Based on these qualitative but numerous observations, as a curator I would
> have little reservation about allowing DICE-CT staining of specimens, but
> bear in mind that I was working with generally smaller vertebrates that
> were sufficiently stained in 3-6 hours.
>
> Of course, it should be noted in the catalog that the specimen was treated
> in this way, to inform future researchers.
>
> Best,
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 9:01 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> wrote:
> Esther
>
>
>
> The oVert project here in the US has had extensive experience with diceCT
> and have developed the attached protocol.  Jaimi Gray would be the person
> to contact in this regard - jaimigray at floridamuseum.ufl.edu.  She also
> co-authored the following publication -
> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ece3.7467
>
>
>
> Hope that helps
>
>
>
> Andy
>
>     A  :             A  :             A  :
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> Andy Bentley
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
>
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
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>
>
> From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Esther
> Dondorp
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 4:24 AM
> To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> Subject: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens
>
>
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
>
>
> Does anyone have experience with Diffusible Iodine-based Contrast-enhanced
> Computed Tomography (DICE-CT) performed on fluid preserved natural history
> specimens? I want to know if it is really non destructive, if the specimens
> do stay stable for the next many years or more after this treatment?
>
>
>
> Many thanks!
>
>
>
> Esther Dondorp
>
> Senior Collectiebeheerder
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - -
> esther.dondorp at naturalis.nl - www.naturalis.nl
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>
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From ccicero at berkeley.edu  Wed Mar 23 20:02:56 2022
From: ccicero at berkeley.edu (Carla Cicero)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:02:56 -0700
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Staff Curator of Ornithology,
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The Museum of Vertebrate Zoology, UC Berkeley, is searching for a full-time
Staff Curator of Ornithology. This is a career position with renewal every
three years. *The application deadline is April 21, 2022*.

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From Allison.Bronson at humboldt.edu  Thu Mar 24 15:14:05 2022
From: Allison.Bronson at humboldt.edu (Allison W Bronson)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:14:05 -0700
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens
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In case it's helpful, here are a few papers with different concentrations
for different specimens, and one that used diceCT and then did histology.
It's destructive in the sense that, regardless of "de-staining" with sodium
thiosulfate, you'll still end up with iodine remaining in the specimen (but
it won't be red anymore!) You can at least remove the red color, and
specimens are still amenable to later histology, etc. The shrinkage can be
mitigated well with Sorensen's buffer, and specimens are then stable in
ethanol. (I mean, it's a new-ish protocol, so who knows what they'll look
like in 100 years, but I don't know why it'd be much different from any
other specimen in alcohol!)
In addition to talking with Jaimi Gray, I also recommend talking to
Catherine Early, Paul Gignac, and Aki Watanabe - all super knowledgeable
about diceCT techniques for vertebrate specimens.

Allison




On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 1:28 PM Randall, Zachary <zrandall at flmnh.ufl.edu>
wrote:

> The biggest issue with diceCT has been soft-tissue shrinkage, but this has
> been remedied by using Sorensen?s buffer as published by Dawood et al.
> 2021. This is the buffer used in the Gray protocol shared by Andy. Links to
> the Dawood paper as well as others of potential interest are below.
>
>
>
> Dawood et al. 2021: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-99202-2
>
> Early et al. 2020:
> https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0238783
>
> Hedrick et al. 2018:
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325862458_Assessing_Soft-Tissue_Shrinkage_Estimates_in_Museum_Specimens_Imaged_With_Diffusible_Iodine-Based_Contrast-Enhanced_Computed_Tomography_diceCT
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Zach
>
> --
>
> *Zachary S. Randall*
>
> Digital Imaging Manager
>
> Florida Museum of Natural History
>
> 1659 Museum Road, Gainesville, FL 32611-7800
>
> (352) 273-1958 | zrandall at flmnh.ufl.edu
>
>
>
> https://zachrandall.weebly.com/
>
> www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/digital-lab/
>
> https://sketchfab.com/FloridaMuseum
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> * On Behalf Of *Bentley,
> Andrew Charles
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2022 10:01 AM
> *To:* Esther Dondorp <esther.dondorp at naturalis.nl>;
> nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens
>
>
>
> *[External Email]*
>
> Esther
>
>
>
> The oVert project here in the US has had extensive experience with diceCT
> and have developed the attached protocol.  Jaimi Gray would be the person
> to contact in this regard - jaimigray at floridamuseum.ufl.edu.  She also
> co-authored the following publication -
> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ece3.7467
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__onlinelibrary.wiley.com_doi_full_10.1002_ece3.7467&d=DwMFAw&c=sJ6xIWYx-zLMB3EPkvcnVg&r=BsjUEaAzErVnOJA4kXSO_g&m=wxRvIT13YXc8ucW2LYysYhhystArFtc5AC6Huxs4v4j4YjmlTq3sRNo8vY0lOvOL&s=PCoqPP0RplincQmDRfDfKbAf08gmtmu0zMnevmF7kYE&e=>
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>
>
> Hope that helps
>
>
>
> Andy
>
>     A  :             A  :             A  :
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>     V                V                V
> Andy Bentley
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
>
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
> Email: abentley at ku.edu
>
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> * On Behalf Of *Esther
> Dondorp
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2022 4:24 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] DICE-CT on NHspecimens
>
>
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
>
>
> Does anyone have experience with Diffusible Iodine-based
> Contrast-enhanced Computed Tomography (DICE-CT) performed on fluid
> preserved natural history specimens? I want to know if it is really non
> destructive, if the specimens do stay stable for the next many years or
> more after this treatment?
>
>
>
> Many thanks!
>
>
>
> Esther Dondorp
>
> Senior Collectiebeheerder
>
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From Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee  Fri Mar 25 04:06:39 2022
From: Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee (Lennart Lennuk)
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
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Thank you.
So the HOBO seems to be a good choice, but I still have few questions.

-          the bluetooth does not seem to give a opportunity for a central monitoring system

-          battery powering means that there is need to change batteries regulary ? would it be better if the loggers are connected to main current?

Best!
Lennart

From: Dean Pentcheff [mailto:pentcheff at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 6:30 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Cc: Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>; Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment

I concur with Andy's recommendation of Onset HOBO data loggers.

We've used a number of them for quite a few years. They have been remarkably stable and dependable. All the units we deployed in 2014 are still functioning just fine (along with newer ones we've purchased since then).

Here in Southern California, we can even get away with using an "indoor" sensor outdoors in an appropriate outdoor temperature instrument screened housing. But I don't recommend that for locations with actual weather.

-Dean
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On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 6:27 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>> wrote:
Lennart

I would suggest HOBO recorders from Onset.  There are various different models that are battery operated and can be downloaded through Bluetooth connection to your smartphone for transfer to your computer.  They also have an LCD display for real time monitoring.

The ones that we use for monitoring our collection spaces are these:  https://www.onsetcomp.com/products/data-loggers/mx1101

We have been using them for a long time and they are great.  Small enough to monitor microclimates within cases as well as entire rooms.

Andy
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Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
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Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2022 5:40 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment

Hi!

Can you please suggest good monitoring systems for collections in Europe.
What do I need (internet cable, wifi, electricity) to install the loggers into collections?

Best regards!
Lennart Lennuk
Head of collections
Estonian Museum of Natural History
+372 6603404, 56569916




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Lennart


  *   the bluetooth does not seem to give a opportunity for a central monitoring system

Not sure what you mean by a central montoring system but essentially with these bluethooth units all you need to do is get close to them and you can download to a smartphone, tablet or computer.  There are central monitoring systems available but they are much more expensive and require costly installation as far as I am aware.  The nice thing about these is that they are self-contained and cheap.


  *   battery powering means that there is need to change batteries regulary - would it be better if the loggers are connected to main current?

We only have to change the batteries in our loggers every 5-6 months if that and it is a very easy process.  They all take the CR 2032 watch batteries.  Again, I think there are units that can be connected to main current but will require costly installation.  These units can be placed anywhere and moved at any time.

Andy
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 3:07 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment

Thank you.
So the HOBO seems to be a good choice, but I still have few questions.

  *   the bluetooth does not seem to give a opportunity for a central monitoring system
  *   battery powering means that there is need to change batteries regulary - would it be better if the loggers are connected to main current?

Best!
Lennart

From: Dean Pentcheff [mailto:pentcheff at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 6:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment

I concur with Andy's recommendation of Onset HOBO data loggers.

We've used a number of them for quite a few years. They have been remarkably stable and dependable. All the units we deployed in 2014 are still functioning just fine (along with newer ones we've purchased since then).

Here in Southern California, we can even get away with using an "indoor" sensor outdoors in an appropriate outdoor temperature instrument screened housing. But I don't recommend that for locations with actual weather.

-Dean
--
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Lennart

I would suggest HOBO recorders from Onset.  There are various different models that are battery operated and can be downloaded through Bluetooth connection to your smartphone for transfer to your computer.  They also have an LCD display for real time monitoring.

The ones that we use for monitoring our collection spaces are these:  https://www.onsetcomp.com/products/data-loggers/mx1101<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.onsetcomp.com%2Fproducts%2Fdata-loggers%2Fmx1101&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C309067edd65f448915c808da0e366a12%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637837924273497772%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=gT5x2WB55Qw5LK0z9b8IZGqVhLSCbLA3D8G7uOn9SPQ%3D&reserved=0>

We have been using them for a long time and they are great.  Small enough to monitor microclimates within cases as well as entire rooms.

Andy
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2022 5:40 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment

Hi!

Can you please suggest good monitoring systems for collections in Europe.
What do I need (internet cable, wifi, electricity) to install the loggers into collections?

Best regards!
Lennart Lennuk
Head of collections
Estonian Museum of Natural History
+372 6603404, 56569916




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From pentcheff at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 01:31:08 2022
From: pentcheff at gmail.com (Dean Pentcheff)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 22:31:08 -0700
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Once again concurring with Andy:

Yes, with the Bluetooth units it's just a matter of a minute or so to stand
near the unit (30 m or less), download the data, and relaunch the logger.
As Andy says, the batteries they use are cheap and last 6?12 months (the
unit will give you plenty of warning that the battery is getting weaker).

That works well for situations where you do not require real-time
monitoring. There are units that can be plugged into Ethernet, or that can
link to a WiFi wireless network, but they are indeed significantly more
expensive. Obviously, they also require a nearby Ethernet tap or active
wireless (which is often a problem in collections spaces).

If you don't need real-time, the completely stand-alone nature of the HOBO
loggers (for example, the MX1101 [costs US$145]) makes it really easy to
put sensors where you want them, not forced where you have wire or WiFi
connections. It is possible to augment them with an "MX Gateway" (costs
US$375), which can connect between Ethernet or WiFi and one or more
Bluetooth loggers that are within Bluetooth range. That provides the
possibility of starting with standalone monitors that you download by
walking past, then adding the MX Gateway later if budget permits and
near-real-time is needed.

-Dean
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 6:34 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
wrote:

> Lennart
>
>
>
>    - the bluetooth does not seem to give a opportunity for a central
>    monitoring system
>
>
>
> Not sure what you mean by a central montoring system but essentially with
> these bluethooth units all you need to do is get close to them and you can
> download to a smartphone, tablet or computer.  There are central monitoring
> systems available but they are much more expensive and require costly
> installation as far as I am aware.  The nice thing about these is that they
> are self-contained and cheap.
>
>
>
>    - battery powering means that there is need to change batteries
>    regulary ? would it be better if the loggers are connected to main current?
>
>
>
> We only have to change the batteries in our loggers every 5-6 months if
> that and it is a very easy process.  They all take the CR 2032 watch
> batteries.  Again, I think there are units that can be connected to main
> current but will require costly installation.  These units can be placed
> anywhere and moved at any time.
>
>
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Bentley
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
>
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
> Email: abentley at ku.edu
>
> ORCID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3093-1258
>
> http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu
>
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>
>
> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Lennart
> Lennuk
> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2022 3:07 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> So the HOBO seems to be a good choice, but I still have few questions.
>
>    - the bluetooth does not seem to give a opportunity for a central
>    monitoring system
>    - battery powering means that there is need to change batteries
>    regulary ? would it be better if the loggers are connected to main current?
>
>
>
> Best!
> Lennart
>
>
>
> *From:* Dean Pentcheff [mailto:pentcheff at gmail.com <pentcheff at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 18, 2022 6:30 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Cc:* Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>; Bentley, Andrew
> Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
>
>
>
> I concur with Andy's recommendation of Onset HOBO data loggers.
>
>
>
> We've used a number of them for quite a few years. They have been
> remarkably stable and dependable. All the units we deployed in 2014 are
> still functioning just fine (along with newer ones we've purchased since
> then).
>
>
>
> Here in Southern California, we can even get away with using an "indoor"
> sensor outdoors in an appropriate outdoor temperature instrument screened
> housing. But I don't recommend that for locations with actual weather.
>
>
>
> -Dean
> --
> Dean Pentcheff
> pentcheff at gmail.com
>
> pentcheff at nhm.org <dpentche at nhm.org>
> https://research.nhm.org/disco
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> On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 6:27 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Lennart
>
>
>
> I would suggest HOBO recorders from Onset.  There are various different
> models that are battery operated and can be downloaded through Bluetooth
> connection to your smartphone for transfer to your computer.  They also
> have an LCD display for real time monitoring.
>
>
>
> The ones that we use for monitoring our collection spaces are these:
> https://www.onsetcomp.com/products/data-loggers/mx1101
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.onsetcomp.com%2Fproducts%2Fdata-loggers%2Fmx1101&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C309067edd65f448915c808da0e366a12%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637837924273497772%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=gT5x2WB55Qw5LK0z9b8IZGqVhLSCbLA3D8G7uOn9SPQ%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
>
> We have been using them for a long time and they are great.  Small enough
> to monitor microclimates within cases as well as entire rooms.
>
>
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Bentley
> Ichthyology Collection Manager
> University of Kansas
> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
>
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
> Email: abentley at ku.edu
>
> ORCID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3093-1258
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> Hi!
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> Can you please suggest good monitoring systems for collections in Europe.
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> What do I need (internet cable, wifi, electricity) to install the loggers
> into collections?
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> Best regards!
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> Lennart Lennuk
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> Estonian Museum of Natural History
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From Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee  Mon Mar 28 10:28:49 2022
From: Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee (Lennart Lennuk)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 14:28:49 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
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Thank you! I definitely go with HOBO in our old buildings.

As we are planning brand new building I am also seeking for a central real-time monitoring system. Any suggestions?

Head!
Lennart

From: Dean Pentcheff [mailto:pentcheff at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 8:31 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Cc: Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>; Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment

Once again concurring with Andy:

Yes, with the Bluetooth units it's just a matter of a minute or so to stand near the unit (30 m or less), download the data, and relaunch the logger. As Andy says, the batteries they use are cheap and last 6?12 months (the unit will give you plenty of warning that the battery is getting weaker).

That works well for situations where you do not require real-time monitoring. There are units that can be plugged into Ethernet, or that can link to a WiFi wireless network, but they are indeed significantly more expensive. Obviously, they also require a nearby Ethernet tap or active wireless (which is often a problem in collections spaces).

If you don't need real-time, the completely stand-alone nature of the HOBO loggers (for example, the MX1101 [costs US$145]) makes it really easy to put sensors where you want them, not forced where you have wire or WiFi connections. It is possible to augment them with an "MX Gateway" (costs US$375), which can connect between Ethernet or WiFi and one or more Bluetooth loggers that are within Bluetooth range. That provides the possibility of starting with standalone monitors that you download by walking past, then adding the MX Gateway later if budget permits and near-real-time is needed.

-Dean
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 6:34 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>> wrote:
Lennart


  *   the bluetooth does not seem to give a opportunity for a central monitoring system

Not sure what you mean by a central montoring system but essentially with these bluethooth units all you need to do is get close to them and you can download to a smartphone, tablet or computer.  There are central monitoring systems available but they are much more expensive and require costly installation as far as I am aware.  The nice thing about these is that they are self-contained and cheap.


  *   battery powering means that there is need to change batteries regulary ? would it be better if the loggers are connected to main current?

We only have to change the batteries in our loggers every 5-6 months if that and it is a very easy process.  They all take the CR 2032 watch batteries.  Again, I think there are units that can be connected to main current but will require costly installation.  These units can be placed anywhere and moved at any time.

Andy
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 3:07 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment

Thank you.
So the HOBO seems to be a good choice, but I still have few questions.

  *   the bluetooth does not seem to give a opportunity for a central monitoring system
  *   battery powering means that there is need to change batteries regulary ? would it be better if the loggers are connected to main current?

Best!
Lennart

From: Dean Pentcheff [mailto:pentcheff at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 6:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment

I concur with Andy's recommendation of Onset HOBO data loggers.

We've used a number of them for quite a few years. They have been remarkably stable and dependable. All the units we deployed in 2014 are still functioning just fine (along with newer ones we've purchased since then).

Here in Southern California, we can even get away with using an "indoor" sensor outdoors in an appropriate outdoor temperature instrument screened housing. But I don't recommend that for locations with actual weather.

-Dean
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On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 6:27 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>> wrote:
Lennart

I would suggest HOBO recorders from Onset.  There are various different models that are battery operated and can be downloaded through Bluetooth connection to your smartphone for transfer to your computer.  They also have an LCD display for real time monitoring.

The ones that we use for monitoring our collection spaces are these:  https://www.onsetcomp.com/products/data-loggers/mx1101<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.onsetcomp.com%2Fproducts%2Fdata-loggers%2Fmx1101&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C309067edd65f448915c808da0e366a12%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637837924273497772%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=gT5x2WB55Qw5LK0z9b8IZGqVhLSCbLA3D8G7uOn9SPQ%3D&reserved=0>

We have been using them for a long time and they are great.  Small enough to monitor microclimates within cases as well as entire rooms.

Andy
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2022 5:40 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment

Hi!

Can you please suggest good monitoring systems for collections in Europe.
What do I need (internet cable, wifi, electricity) to install the loggers into collections?

Best regards!
Lennart Lennuk
Head of collections
Estonian Museum of Natural History
+372 6603404, 56569916




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From susan.maltby at utoronto.ca  Mon Mar 28 10:44:24 2022
From: susan.maltby at utoronto.ca (Susan Maltby)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 14:44:24 +0000
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I have been using Hobo loggers for years now & love them.  I'm not so in love with my MX1101s though.  I've had issues with the Bluetooth connection - sometimes they want to talk to my computer & sometimes not.  I contacted customer service & the long & the short of it was that he said that Bluetooth is not the most robust of platforms.   I prefer the UX100 series loggers as I have never had a problem downloading the data whether I do it directly to my laptop or via the shuttle.  I like that the cord to download is the same one that I use to download images from my digital camera.  My 2?.

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Sent: March 28, 2022 1:31 AM
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Once again concurring with Andy:

Yes, with the Bluetooth units it's just a matter of a minute or so to stand near the unit (30 m or less), download the data, and relaunch the logger. As Andy says, the batteries they use are cheap and last 6?12 months (the unit will give you plenty of warning that the battery is getting weaker).

That works well for situations where you do not require real-time monitoring. There are units that can be plugged into Ethernet, or that can link to a WiFi wireless network, but they are indeed significantly more expensive. Obviously, they also require a nearby Ethernet tap or active wireless (which is often a problem in collections spaces).

If you don't need real-time, the completely stand-alone nature of the HOBO loggers (for example, the MX1101 [costs US$145]) makes it really easy to put sensors where you want them, not forced where you have wire or WiFi connections. It is possible to augment them with an "MX Gateway" (costs US$375), which can connect between Ethernet or WiFi and one or more Bluetooth loggers that are within Bluetooth range. That provides the possibility of starting with standalone monitors that you download by walking past, then adding the MX Gateway later if budget permits and near-real-time is needed.

-Dean
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 6:34 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>> wrote:

Lennart



  *   the bluetooth does not seem to give a opportunity for a central monitoring system



Not sure what you mean by a central montoring system but essentially with these bluethooth units all you need to do is get close to them and you can download to a smartphone, tablet or computer.  There are central monitoring systems available but they are much more expensive and require costly installation as far as I am aware.  The nice thing about these is that they are self-contained and cheap.



  *   battery powering means that there is need to change batteries regulary ? would it be better if the loggers are connected to main current?



We only have to change the batteries in our loggers every 5-6 months if that and it is a very easy process.  They all take the CR 2032 watch batteries.  Again, I think there are units that can be connected to main current but will require costly installation.  These units can be placed anywhere and moved at any time.



Andy

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Biodiversity Institute

Dyche Hall
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Thank you.

So the HOBO seems to be a good choice, but I still have few questions.

  *   the bluetooth does not seem to give a opportunity for a central monitoring system
  *   battery powering means that there is need to change batteries regulary ? would it be better if the loggers are connected to main current?



Best!
Lennart



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Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 6:30 AM
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Cc: Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee<mailto:Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>>; Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment



I concur with Andy's recommendation of Onset HOBO data loggers.



We've used a number of them for quite a few years. They have been remarkably stable and dependable. All the units we deployed in 2014 are still functioning just fine (along with newer ones we've purchased since then).



Here in Southern California, we can even get away with using an "indoor" sensor outdoors in an appropriate outdoor temperature instrument screened housing. But I don't recommend that for locations with actual weather.



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On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 6:27 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>> wrote:

Lennart



I would suggest HOBO recorders from Onset.  There are various different models that are battery operated and can be downloaded through Bluetooth connection to your smartphone for transfer to your computer.  They also have an LCD display for real time monitoring.



The ones that we use for monitoring our collection spaces are these:  https://www.onsetcomp.com/products/data-loggers/mx1101<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.onsetcomp.com%2Fproducts%2Fdata-loggers%2Fmx1101&data=04%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7C309067edd65f448915c808da0e366a12%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637837924273497772%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=gT5x2WB55Qw5LK0z9b8IZGqVhLSCbLA3D8G7uOn9SPQ%3D&reserved=0>



We have been using them for a long time and they are great.  Small enough to monitor microclimates within cases as well as entire rooms.



Andy

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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Lennart Lennuk
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2022 5:40 AM
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment



Hi!

Can you please suggest good monitoring systems for collections in Europe.

What do I need (internet cable, wifi, electricity) to install the loggers into collections?



Best regards!

Lennart Lennuk

Head of collections

Estonian Museum of Natural History

+372 6603404, 56569916









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From: bfrable at ucsd.edu (Benjamin Frable)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 09:03:16 -0700
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
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Hi all,

If you want another inexpensive logger, I have also used a TempStick
<https://tempstick.com/?gclid=CjwKCAjwuYWSBhByEiwAKd_n_tQAVGJh4Y040wuzQZp3iUSXkASbt1_uz0MFTcPj2GDgRULcgpAXIxoCvgIQAvD_BwE>
which
has the benefit of connecting to wifi for monitoring remotely and taking AA
batteries instead of weird watch batteries. Was particularly helpful when
we closed for a few months in March 2020.

Cheers,

Ben

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 7:44 AM Susan Maltby <susan.maltby at utoronto.ca>
wrote:

> I have been using Hobo loggers for years now & love them.  I'm not so in
> love with my MX1101s though.  I've had issues with the Bluetooth connection
> - sometimes they want to talk to my computer & sometimes not.  I contacted
> customer service & the long & the short of it was that he said that
> Bluetooth is not the most robust of platforms.   I prefer the UX100 series
> loggers as I have never had a problem downloading the data whether I do it
> directly to my laptop or via the shuttle.  I like that the cord to download
> is the same one that I use to download images from my digital camera.  My
> 2?.
>
> Sue Maltby, Conservator, Fellow IIC
> Maltby & Associates Inc.
> Adjunct Faculty, Museum Studies Program/Faculty of Information,
> University of Toronto
> 174 Spadina Ave., #508
> Toronto, Ontario
> M5T 2C2
> susan.maltby at utoronto.ca
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Dean
> Pentcheff <pentcheff at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* March 28, 2022 1:31 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
>
> Once again concurring with Andy:
>
> Yes, with the Bluetooth units it's just a matter of a minute or so to
> stand near the unit (30 m or less), download the data, and relaunch the
> logger. As Andy says, the batteries they use are cheap and last 6?12 months
> (the unit will give you plenty of warning that the battery is getting
> weaker).
>
> That works well for situations where you do not require real-time
> monitoring. There are units that can be plugged into Ethernet, or that can
> link to a WiFi wireless network, but they are indeed significantly more
> expensive. Obviously, they also require a nearby Ethernet tap or active
> wireless (which is often a problem in collections spaces).
>
> If you don't need real-time, the completely stand-alone nature of the HOBO
> loggers (for example, the MX1101 [costs US$145]) makes it really easy to
> put sensors where you want them, not forced where you have wire or WiFi
> connections. It is possible to augment them with an "MX Gateway" (costs
> US$375), which can connect between Ethernet or WiFi and one or more
> Bluetooth loggers that are within Bluetooth range. That provides the
> possibility of starting with standalone monitors that you download by
> walking past, then adding the MX Gateway later if budget permits and
> near-real-time is needed.
>
> -Dean
> --
> Dean Pentcheff
> pentcheff at gmail.com
> pentcheff at nhm.org <dpentche at nhm.org>
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>
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 6:34 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Lennart
>
>
>
>    - the bluetooth does not seem to give a opportunity for a central
>    monitoring system
>
>
>
> Not sure what you mean by a central montoring system but essentially with
> these bluethooth units all you need to do is get close to them and you can
> download to a smartphone, tablet or computer.  There are central monitoring
> systems available but they are much more expensive and require costly
> installation as far as I am aware.  The nice thing about these is that they
> are self-contained and cheap.
>
>
>
>    - battery powering means that there is need to change batteries
>    regulary ? would it be better if the loggers are connected to main current?
>
>
>
> We only have to change the batteries in our loggers every 5-6 months if
> that and it is a very easy process.  They all take the CR 2032 watch
> batteries.  Again, I think there are units that can be connected to main
> current but will require costly installation.  These units can be placed
> anywhere and moved at any time.
>
>
>
> Andy
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> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
>
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
> Fax: (785) 864-5335
> Email: abentley at ku.edu
>
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Lennart
> Lennuk
> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2022 3:07 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> So the HOBO seems to be a good choice, but I still have few questions.
>
>    - the bluetooth does not seem to give a opportunity for a central
>    monitoring system
>    - battery powering means that there is need to change batteries
>    regulary ? would it be better if the loggers are connected to main current?
>
>
>
> Best!
> Lennart
>
>
>
> *From:* Dean Pentcheff [mailto:pentcheff at gmail.com <pentcheff at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 18, 2022 6:30 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Cc:* Lennart Lennuk <Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee>; Bentley, Andrew
> Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
>
>
>
> I concur with Andy's recommendation of Onset HOBO data loggers.
>
>
>
> We've used a number of them for quite a few years. They have been
> remarkably stable and dependable. All the units we deployed in 2014 are
> still functioning just fine (along with newer ones we've purchased since
> then).
>
>
>
> Here in Southern California, we can even get away with using an "indoor"
> sensor outdoors in an appropriate outdoor temperature instrument screened
> housing. But I don't recommend that for locations with actual weather.
>
>
>
> -Dean
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> On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 6:27 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley at ku.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Lennart
>
>
>
> I would suggest HOBO recorders from Onset.  There are various different
> models that are battery operated and can be downloaded through Bluetooth
> connection to your smartphone for transfer to your computer.  They also
> have an LCD display for real time monitoring.
>
>
>
> The ones that we use for monitoring our collection spaces are these:
> https://www.onsetcomp.com/products/data-loggers/mx1101
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>
>
> We have been using them for a long time and they are great.  Small enough
> to monitor microclimates within cases as well as entire rooms.
>
>
>
> Andy
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> Biodiversity Institute
>
> Dyche Hall
> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
> USA
>
> Tel: (785) 864-3863
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> *From:* Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> *On Behalf Of *Lennart
> Lennuk
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 8, 2022 5:40 AM
> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] monitoring collections environment
>
>
>
> Hi!
>
> Can you please suggest good monitoring systems for collections in Europe.
>
> What do I need (internet cable, wifi, electricity) to install the loggers
> into collections?
>
>
>
> Best regards!
>
> Lennart Lennuk
>
> Head of collections
>
> Estonian Museum of Natural History
>
> +372 6603404, 56569916
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Scripps Institution of Oceanography
University of California San Diego
9500 Gilman Drive
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From kleacock at sciencebuff.org  Mon Mar 28 14:45:03 2022
From: kleacock at sciencebuff.org (Kathy Leacock)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 14:45:03 -0400
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Position Description - Chief Scientist at the Buffalo
 Society of Natural Sciences
Message-ID: <42517a26a6077f7cf3db53bd6f15e8c9@mail.gmail.com>

*BUFFALO SOCIETY OF NATURAL SCIENCES POSITION DESCRIPTION*

*Chief Scientist*



*Inspiring Curiosity through Exploration *

*Valuing Nature?s Wisdom*



*Department: *Collections

*Position Title: *Chief Scientist

*Primary Reporting Responsibility: *Deputy Director

*Status: *Full Time/ Exempt



*Overview:* At the Buffalo Society of Natural Sciences, we believe that
science creates opportunities and shapes our world. We take pride in
providing an environment that inspires curiosity, self-directed learning,
and fun for our guests of all ages. We know that when you mix GREAT SERVICE
with GREAT PEOPLE, the result is LASTING MEMORIES for our guests.

*Summary of Position: *The Chief Scientist is responsible for directing and
advancing the Society?s mission through the communication, development, and
integration of scientific content and delivery in exhibits, experiences,
and programs.  Working across the organization, they have accountability
for ensuring the accuracy of scientific content in programs and exhibits
and play a critical role in the selection of science topics that are
presented to our community. The Chief Scientist is the liaison between the
Society and the academic, scientific, and educational communities and
delivers content in accordance with our educational pedagogy, which is rich
in inquiry-based user directed discovery, and fun.



*Essential Functions:  *

   - Support the Society?s Strategic Plan and harness the collective skills
   and resources of the Buffalo Museum of Science and Tifft Nature Preserve to
   be the leading cultural voice for science in our region
   - Ensure access to appropriate depth of science content, emerging
   science information, and the evolving role of science in society
   - Facilitate hands-on programs and communicate science to diverse
   audiences prioritizing the Society?s special brand of informal STEM
   learning which makes science exciting, accessible, and fun
   - Provide scientific oversight in the development of exhibits,
   experiences, and programs
   - Assist in developing grant proposals by providing content area
   expertise
   - Manage and nurture the relationships between the Society and its
   affiliate organizations and research associates
   - Be the public face of ?science? for the Society
   - Actively pursue and maintain local, regional, statewide, and national
   partners for science content expertise and research
   - Serve as the primary staff member supporting the Society?s Science
   Advisory Committee, and other ad-hoc advisory groups
   - Assist the Chief Development Officer with corporate, foundation, and
   individual appeals as necessary
   - Contribute fully to cross departmental teams on special projects as
   called upon by the President & CEO

*Education, Experience, Skills, and Qualities Required:*

   - A Doctorate in a scientific or closely related field required
   - A working knowledge of basic and general sciences, the scientific
   process, and the ability to interpret academic topics for a general
   audience
   - Classroom education experience desired
   - Experience in effectively and energetically communicating science
   content to a variety of audiences
   - Solid evidence of creativity and innovation in presenting science to
   the public
   - Exemplary critical thinking skills and decision-making practices
   - Competency with Microsoft Office (Word, Outlook, and Excel)
   - Experience working collaboratively and ability to foster multiple
   partnerships
   - Position requires occasional evening and weekend hours
   - A passion for lifelong learning and a natural sense of curiosity





*Physical Demands:*

   - Reading printed material and computer screens regularly


   - Hearing and talking with people inside and outside the organization
   - Moving around and between the Society?s sites and program/partner
   locations
   - Valid NYS driver?s license



The Society?s culture is one of collaboration, collegiality, and teamwork.
The Chief Scientist must have a desire to work in a mission-first and
audience-centered culture following the Society?s core values of integrity,
engagement, diversity, and knowledge. The Chief Scientist must intend to
produce products and experiences of exceptionally high quality and to enjoy
work and colleagues.



The information provided in this description has been designed to indicate
the general nature and level of work performed by incumbents in this
position. This job description is not intended to be interpreted as a
comprehensive inventory of all duties, responsibilities, qualifications,
and work conditions of employees assigned to this job. Management has sole
discretion to add or modify the duties of this position and designate other
functions as essential at any point in time.



The salary range for this position is mid-to-high $70,000s, commensurate
with experience.



*Equal Opportunity Employer*: At the Buffalo Society of Natural Sciences,
we believe that to achieve the greatest potential in opportunity,
innovation, and discovery, as well as to reach the highest level of
effectiveness and well-informed decision making, diversity of experience
and viewpoints is paramount. Further, as a mission-first organization that
seeks to be a welcoming and welcomed resource for all in our community, the
Society strives to reflect the great diversity of those living in western
New York. We encourage applications from individuals of all backgrounds and
life experience. The Buffalo Society of Natural Sciences is an Equal
Opportunity Employer and does not discriminate based on race, color,
religion, sex, national origin, age, disability, or genetic information.



Please send cover letter, curriculum vitae, and names of three reference to
careers at sciencebuff.org









KATHRYN H. LEACOCK

Deputy Director

Overseeing Collections, Staff Engagement, and Special Projects

Buffalo Museum of Science, Tifft Nature Preserve

1020 Humboldt Parkway, Buffalo, New York 14211

OFFICE  716 896 5200 x376 |  MOBILE 716 870 1679

*Website <http://www.sciencebuff.org/>*
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From Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee  Tue Mar 29 07:24:05 2022
From: Lennart.Lennuk at loodusmuuseum.ee (Lennart Lennuk)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 11:24:05 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] what adhesive to use to attach glas to wood frame in
 entomological collections?
Message-ID: <82f12d7710ee4dd184b8e210a9e544e2@loodusmuuseum.ee>

Hi!

Does anybody know if it is safe to use transparent or white silicone as adhesive to attach glas to wooden frame for entomological collections? Is it off-gaseous in short time or longer period?
Also, is PVC ok to use to glue wooden parts?


K?ike head soovides
Lennart Lennuk
Kogude osakonna juhataja
Eesti Loodusmuuseum
(+372) 6603404, 56569916

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From studor at nature.ca  Thu Mar 31 08:02:54 2022
From: studor at nature.ca (Sean Tudor)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 12:02:54 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Opportunity - Postdoctoral Fellowship in Critical Public
 History and Museology
Message-ID: <YT1PR01MB3372FBF43A6E2624679D60DCC4E19@YT1PR01MB3372.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Apologies in advance for any crossposting.

Carleton University Centre for Public History (Ottawa), in partnership with the Canadian Museum of Nature Foundation, is seeking applicants for a 2- year post-doctoral fellowship to report on the historical, institutional, and systematic othering of knowledges, peoples, and places through the research and collection practices at the Canadian Museum of Nature and its predecessors?the Geological Survey of Canada, the National Museum of Canada, and the National Museum of Natural Sciences.

https://carleton.ca/postdocs/2022/postdoctoral-fellowship-in-critical-public-history-and-museology/

Postdoctoral Fellowship in Critical Public History and Museology - Postdoctoral Fellows<https://carleton.ca/postdocs/2022/postdoctoral-fellowship-in-critical-public-history-and-museology/>
The Department of History and Carleton Centre for Public History at Carleton University is accepting applications for a postdoctoral fellowship in Critical Public History and Museology. The anticipated start date will be 01 August 2022 with a duration of two (2) years. The postdoctoral fellow will be involved in projects that examine the origins and [?]
carleton.ca
If you would like more information about this opportunity  - please contact me.


Sean Tudor

Head, Collection Services and Information Management

Chef, Service des collections et gestion de l?information

Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature

613-364-4122

343-542-8122 cell

studor at nature.ca


[https://www.nature.ca/sites/all/themes/realdecoy/images/splash/splash-logo.jpg] <https://nature.ca/>

Saving the World with Evidence, Knowledge and Inspiration. (click to learn more)<https://nature.ca/en/about-us/museum-corporation/mission-mandate>
Sauver le monde avec des preuves, des connaissances et de l'inspiration. (cliquez pour en savoir plus)<https://nature.ca/fr/sujet-musee/mission-organisation/mission-organisation>

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From rlupia at ou.edu  Thu Mar 31 11:57:29 2022
From: rlupia at ou.edu (Lupia, Richard)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 15:57:29 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Two Positions Available at Sam Noble Museum
Message-ID: <SA2PR03MB5819AE8D5C8CE67EA4628044A9E19@SA2PR03MB5819.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

HEAD OF EDUCATION & COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT
Program Administrator -
Job Number:
 220586
Organization
: Okla Museum of Natural History
Job Location
: Oklahoma-Norman-Norman Campus
Schedule
: Full-time
Work Schedule: M-F, 8-5 (hours may vary, flexible work schedule with some work occurring in the evenings and on weekends)
Salary Range: Negotiable, based on experience
Benefits Provided: Yes
Required Attachments: Resume, Cover Letter
Job Description
---

Responsible for administration, leadership, and management of the Department of Education and Community Engagement including coordination, development, implementation and evaluation of museums educational interpretive, and public programs and of the Discovery Room and Volunteer Program. This position also has significant budget management duties and must strategize program funding utilizing multiple funding streams. The ability to seek and obtain outside funding for educational and public programs is a critical function of this position. This position reports to the Associate Director of the Museum


Job Requirements
---

Required Education:  Masters degree, AND:

Equivalency/Substitution:  Will accept 72 months experience in lieu of the Master's degree for a total of 96 months related experience.

  *   24 months related experience

Skills:

  *   Experience in development and implementation of a diverse range of creative and engaging education and community engagement programming, with an emphasis in museum and/or community program
  *   Experience in monitoring programming effectiveness by gathering and analyzing qualitative and quantitative statistics, including attendance and other engagement metrics
  *   Demonstrated ability to lead staff, part-time personnel, students, volunteers, and interns to achieve positive outcomes
  *   Able to negotiate, exchange ideas, information, and opinions with others to develop programs and/or arrive at decisions, conclusions or solutions
  *   Able to establish and maintain cooperative working relationships with staff members, students, and volunteers
  *   Able to interact positively and professionally with individuals of all ages and backgrounds
  *   Experience in preparation and management of operational budgets
  *   Excellent written and verbal communication skills
  *   Basic social media skills
  *   Energetic and engaging presentation style
  *   Flexibility and ability to adapt to changing situations
  *   Excellent customer service skills
  *   Attention to detail and exceptional time management skills; able to work independently, following through on assignments with minimal direction, and completing workloads with established time frames
  *   Computer skills such as word processing, simple graphic design, email and spreadsheet data entry
  *   Basic experience with AV equipment

Certifications:

  *   None

Advertised Physical Requirements:

  *   The job may include frequent exposure to pressure caused by deadlines and busy periods
  *   Ability to reach including extending the arm or hand
  *   Ability to speak including expressing oneself or exchanging information with others
  *   Ability to hear including receiving detailed information orally or making fine discriminations in sound
  *   Ability to see including color, depth, perception, or clarity
  *   Required to be mobile, agile, bend, stoop, squat, climb, lift (up to 44 pounds) and carry

Department Preferences:

  *   Master's degree in Education (especially Science Education) or in Natural or Social Science area (e.g., biology, zoology, anthropology, geology, etc.), museum studies or other related fields
  *   24 months experience in Museum education, science education, and/or art education experience
  *   24 months experience in project management for informal, museum and/or community engagement and/or outreach programming

Supervision: Supervise up to 5 staff members

Special Instructions:

  *   If you are selected as a final candidate for this position, you will be subject to The University of Oklahoma Norman Campus Tuberculosis Testing policy.  To view the policy, visit https://hr.ou.edu/Policies-Handbooks/TB-Testing.

Hiring contingent upon a Background Check?- Yes
Special Indications: None
________

MUSEUM GRAPHIC DESIGNER
Communications Paraprofessional IV -
Job Number:
 220484
Organization
: Okla Museum of Natural History
Job Location
: Oklahoma-Norman-Norman Campus
Schedule
: Full-time
Work Schedule: M-F, 8-5 (hours may vary, flexible work schedule with some work occurring in the evenings and on weekends)
Salary Range: Up to $18.26/hr
Benefits Provided: Yes
Required Attachments: Resume, Cover Letter
Job Description
---

Responsible for the creation of graphic design packages and illustrations, including video and web, that integrate across all museum departments, including exhibits, public relations and marketing, visitor services, education and community outreach and collections and research.


Job Requirements
---

Required Education: Bachelor's degree in Graphic Art, Fine Arts, Marketing or related field, AND:

Equivalent/Substitution: Will accept 48 months related experience in lieu of the Bachelor's degree for a total of 60 months experience

  *   12 months of Graphic Arts or Desktop Publishing experience

Skills:

  *   Ability to speak, read and write clear, concise English
  *   Highly organized and able to handle multiple projects and deadlines
  *   Strong initiative to solve problems
  *   Able to work well with interdepartmental teams and initiatives

Certifications:

  *   None

Advertised Physical Requirements:

  *   Must be able to engage in repetitive motions and communicate effectively.

Departmental Preferences:

  *   Preferred experience with museums, cultural organizations, or other non-profits

Supervision: No Supervisory Duties

Special Instructions:

  *   If you are selected as a final candidate for this position, you will be subject to The University of Oklahoma Norman Campus Tuberculosis Testing policy.  To view the policy, visit https://hr.ou.edu/Policies-Handbooks/TB-Testing.

Hiring contingent upon a Background Check?- Yes
Special Indications: None

_____________________________________________________

Richard Lupia (he/him)
Associate Director and Head Curator
  Sam Noble Museum
Norman R. Gelphman Associate Professor
  School of Geosciences
University of Oklahoma
2401 Chautauqua Ave
Norman, OK 73072
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From ewommack at uwyo.edu  Thu Mar 31 13:12:21 2022
From: ewommack at uwyo.edu (Elizabeth Wommack)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 11:12:21 -0600
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Looking for chapter by Spaw from Notes from a workshop
 on bird specimen preparation
Message-ID: <CAHRfMQkyzRUbQ9o_mzKxB04_iwQzAyOuUdU-fpoK-vL5RxYcMw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Does anyone have a pdf copy of the book - *Notes from a workshop on bird
specimen preparation held at The Carnegie Museum of Natural History in
conjunction with the 107th stated meeting of the American Ornithologists'
Union (SP Rogers and DS Wood, Eds.). Pittsburgh, Carnegie Mus. Nat. Hist*.
1989.
that they could share?

I'm attempting to find a copy of the chapter by Spaw titled:
Spaw, C. "Combination specimens ? la Burke Museum."
and Interlibrary loan hasn't been able to help so far.

Thank you,
Beth Wommack

-- 
Elizabeth Wommack, PhD
Curator and Collections Manager of Vertebrates
University of Wyoming Museum of Vertebrates
Berry Biodiversity Conservation Center
University of Wyoming,
Laramie, WY 82071
ewommack@ <ewommack at berkeley.edu>uwyo.edu
pronouns: she, her, herself
www.uwymv. <http://www.uwymv.edu/>org
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From emily.braker at colorado.edu  Thu Mar 31 16:09:41 2022
From: emily.braker at colorado.edu (Emily M. Braker)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:09:41 +0000
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Job Posting: Collection Manager of Invertebrate Zoology
 position at University of Colorado
Message-ID: <CY4PR03MB32851BAC2B3A2241DF6BD2EEE0E19@CY4PR03MB3285.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Colleagues,

The University of Colorado Museum of Natural History is hiring a Collection Manager of Invertebrate Zoology.  Visit the following link to view the full job description (application deadline is April 14):

https://jobs.colorado.edu/jobs/JobDetail/Invertebrate-Zoology-Collections-Manager/38066

Please feel free to circulate widely.

Best,
Emily

Emily Braker
Vertebrate Collections Manager, Zoology Section
University of Colorado Museum of Natural History
265 UCB, Bruce Curtis Building
Boulder, CO 80309-0218
Phone: 303-492-8466
http://www.colorado.edu/cumuseum/research-collections/vertebrates

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