From d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de Thu Feb 1 02:08:24 2024 From: d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de (Dirk Neumann) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 08:08:24 +0100 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Does anyone sell 120mm 1 gallon jars anymore? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, knowing that these jars - and lids - are very popular specifically in the US and widely used, I would like to pick up Corinne's comment on "with their metal lids". Metal lids per se are not bad, and, in fact for wide openings, may perform better then plastic lids. Depending on the stability of the plastic and the inlay, plastic lids with 120 mm diameter tend to flex; screwing them down tightly puts additional tension on the outer rim of the plastic lid. Knowing that this may not be the most important issue in the US, deterioration of plastic may be accelerated by certain chemicals such as denaturing agents, but is also accelerated by oils and lipids and if these lids are exposed to uv-light (e.g., neon light on top shelves in the storage space). There are a couple of examples from various institutions in our book, and there is a long chapter on the quality and quality differences of lids. Also, keep in mind that plastic usually is not a good oxygen barrier, and the larger the diameter of the lid, the larger is the surface that potentially allows the oxygen to diffuse through the plastic. Which brings me back to the metal lids: we cannot - and should not - compare the bad metal lid quality from the 1950ies and 1960ies (and probably 1970ies) with today's quality and just disregard metal lids, just because they are metal. We recently ordered metal lids that have a three-layer inner varnishing which makes them durable against brine and acids (salt <3,5%, SO2 max. 80ppm, acetic acid > 3,5%). The inner liner is PVC-free (link to the website - English version currently seems to be down, but the information in the tables on the last page should be easy to digest). Nearly 60,000 lids did costs about 4,500 EUR and helps to maintain the corresponding jars for the next decades with a better closure that is an effective oxygen barrier. Regarding the availability of specific sizes of jars, it might be worth considering that several institutions team up for their ordering to bring these jars back into production to cover the costs for the renewing the molds as Andy indicated. Over her in Europe, we do this with high-quality borosilicate stoppered jars from St?lzle, because one single institution usually has not the financial means to cover the production costs for a specific jar size or type. Perhaps these are some useful additional thoughts .... With best wishes Dirk Am 31.01.2024 um 16:16 schrieb Fuchs, Corinne: Hi Caroline, I work with Paul at the FBC (FWRI collection) and do our purchasing. I went on an online goose chase trying to find tall, wide-mouth (120mm) gallon jars, and failed. If anyone has found a supplier, please let us both know! On the same topic, please let me know if anyone has a source for 64oz wide-mouth(120mm) jars?the closest I?ve found is 110mm. However, I did find some shorter ?square? wide-mouth(120mm) gallon jars: Anchor-Hocking cracker jars. We?ve bought them from Fillmore Container (https://www.fillmorecontainer.com/h85725-case4anchor.html). I can confirm that the 120-400 lids (BerlinPackaging, https://www.berlinpackaging.com/lp120-120-400-pp-white-ribbed-caps-unlined/) do fit and thread on these. They are only sold with their metal lids, unfortunately, but we replace those with the linked lids. They don?t fit so well if you?re using any additional caps in the jars. We have some red caplugs that we?re using until we run out, and sometime the lids fit with the caplugs in, but sometimes not. However, they do fit without the caplugs. Unfortunately we?ve only been using these glass jars for about a year, so I can?t speak to their longevity yet. But so far they seem solid. Do check your shipment when it arrives, however. Our one shipment had 3 slumped/disfigured jars that I wouldn?t trust specimens in. Apologies if I?ve goofed on the formatting for replying to the listserv, I?m receiving the digest and am a little unfamiliar. Cheers, Corinne Fuchs Collection Manager Marine Invertebrate Collection Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission Fish and Wildlife Research Institute 100 8th Ave SE St. Petersburg, FL 33701 Office: (727) 892-4138 corinne.fuchs at myFWC.com _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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They hold OK, but overtightening can cause the skirt to spread, dishing the lid and potentially compromising the seal. 120 mm seems the upper size limit for flexible screw-on lids; above that, they should either be metal or some other kind, such as clamped or two-piece. In my experience, the older two-piece 120 mm plastic lids with a separate disk and ring (like 2-piece canning lids, or those on Kilner jars) do a better job. This is because the disk was evenly pressed onto the mating face regardless of whether the ring distorted or not. You can dress the jar rim with vacuum grease, too, which guarantees a good seal. These lids have not been made for many years, though. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Lazo-Wasem, Eric Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 11:23 AM To: Shoobs, Nate ; Caroline Haymaker ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Does anyone sell 120mm 1 gallon jars anymore? External. My experience is that when tightened, there is a deflection that does not make a good seal. I do use them, but in many cases I ?seal? the jar with electrician?s tape ? a nuisance so I avoid using gallon jars unless absolutely necessary. From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Shoobs, Nate Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 8:03 PM To: Caroline Haymaker ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Does anyone sell 120mm 1 gallon jars anymore? https://www.berlinpackaging.com/lp120-120-400-pp-white-ribbed-caps-unlined/ Paul Larson at the Florida Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission suggested these lids to me when I had the same question a few months ago. I haven?t gotten around to ordering them yet, but they use them in FL and the measurements suggest they would fit our 1 Gal + ? Gal jars here too. -Nate -- [The Ohio State University] Nathaniel F. Shoobs Curator of Mollusks College of Arts & Sciences Dept. of Evolution, Ecology, and Organismal Biology Museum of Biological Diversity, 1315 Kinnear Rd, Columbus, OH 43212 614-688-1342 (Office) mbd.osu.edu From: Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Caroline Haymaker > Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 7:58?PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Does anyone sell 120mm 1 gallon jars anymore? Hello Everyone, I am interested in restocking our 1 gallon glass jars that fit 120mm lids. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find a website that sells them. Can anyone point me to where these are still available? Thank you! Caroline Haymaker, Hello Everyone, I am interested in restocking our 1 gallon glass jars that fit 120mm lids. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find a website that sells them. Can anyone point me to where these are still available? Thank you! Caroline Haymaker, Associate Collection Manager Marine Biodiversity Center Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County 900 Exposition Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90007 Pronouns: she/her/hers _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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The Deputy Museum Director of Collections will lead the continuing development and implementation of the Museum?s strategic plans for the collections, including planning and implementing new collections facilities and a subsequent move of all collections. The Deputy Museum Director of Collections reports directly to the Museum Director, Peter C. Kj?rgaard, and is a member of the Museum?s Executive Board. This comes at a super exciting time for the museum with our new museum opening just around the corner! Link for more information and how to apply: Deputy Museum Director of Collections at the Natural History Museum of Denmark Faculty of Science, University of Copenhagen (hr-manager.net) You'll also get to be my manager- think of all the fun we will have!! :) -- Bethany Palumbo, ACR Head of Conservation Unit Statens Naturhistoriske Museum Universitetsparken 15, 2100 K?benhavn Twitter | @bethany_bug Instagram | @palumbo_conservation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu Thu Feb 1 08:54:35 2024 From: rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu (Rob Robins) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 13:54:35 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Does anyone sell 120mm 1 gallon jars anymore? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In my experience, the main reason folks want a 120 mm jar aperture is that the ?extra cm? over the standard, largest jar aperture of 110 mm affords the opportunity to put a deep bodied specimen in it. Usually just one or two such specimens; specimens which come close to fitting in the 110mm aperture jar but are just a smidge too big. In fishes, it could be called ?Lepomis phenomenon.? (Though here in Florida, also the ?large cichlid? phenomenon). (I.e., If you?ve got 200 Fundulus or 200 Acris or 50 shrews ? we?re generally not having conversations about 110 vs. 120 mm apertures). But from a space and cost perspective (thinking of those who will manage the collection after you are gone!): IF a quality specimen tank is available and if the time and labor can be afforded, I find that long-term, it is more space efficient and cost-effective to instead sew on tag(s), and register that one or two specimens to a tank. In turn, you reserve that precious shelf space, which is more accessible than the tank, for multiple smaller jars or for gallon jar lots with many more, but comparatively smaller specimens. Rob Robert H. Robins Collection Manager Division of Ichthyology [FLMNH Fishes logo email small] Florida Museum 1659 Museum Rd. Gainesville, FL 32611-7800 Office: (352) 273-1957 rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu The UF Fish Collection is moving: https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/fish/ Search the Collection: http://specifyportal.flmnh.ufl.edu/fishes/ Search samples suitable for dna analysis: https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/grr/holdings/ From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Lazo-Wasem, Eric Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 11:23 AM To: Shoobs, Nate ; Caroline Haymaker ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Does anyone sell 120mm 1 gallon jars anymore? [External Email] My experience is that when tightened, there is a deflection that does not make a good seal. I do use them, but in many cases I ?seal? the jar with electrician?s tape ? a nuisance so I avoid using gallon jars unless absolutely necessary. From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Shoobs, Nate Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 8:03 PM To: Caroline Haymaker >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Does anyone sell 120mm 1 gallon jars anymore? https://www.berlinpackaging.com/lp120-120-400-pp-white-ribbed-caps-unlined/ Paul Larson at the Florida Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission suggested these lids to me when I had the same question a few months ago. I haven?t gotten around to ordering them yet, but they use them in FL and the measurements suggest they would fit our 1 Gal + ? Gal jars here too. -Nate -- [The Ohio State University] Nathaniel F. Shoobs Curator of Mollusks College of Arts & Sciences Dept. of Evolution, Ecology, and Organismal Biology Museum of Biological Diversity, 1315 Kinnear Rd, Columbus, OH 43212 614-688-1342 (Office) mbd.osu.edu From: Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Caroline Haymaker > Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 7:58?PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Does anyone sell 120mm 1 gallon jars anymore? Hello Everyone, I am interested in restocking our 1 gallon glass jars that fit 120mm lids. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find a website that sells them. Can anyone point me to where these are still available? Thank you! Caroline Haymaker, Hello Everyone, I am interested in restocking our 1 gallon glass jars that fit 120mm lids. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find a website that sells them. Can anyone point me to where these are still available? Thank you! 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Our iconic Walter the Octopus is in a large 25-gallon WT jar whose lid is stuck on with silicon (no clamp could be found) and it's held for 23 years so far. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Laura Rinc?n Sent: Monday, February 5, 2024 12:19 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Historic jars gasket External. Hello everybody, I've been reading some thread emails about sealants in historic jars, but I can't find what the best way to close these jars is (see photos attached). I was planning to get Alsirol, but then I realized that there is a 3 mm. space between the rim and lid. The "best" will be a gasket, but I'm not sure if there are proper gaskets for these jars. I would appreciate your recommendations or advice. Thanks, -- Laura A. Rinc?n R. | Museum Studies professional Museum Specialist Division of Invertebrate Zoology American Museum of Natural History Central Park West at 79th Street New York, NY 10024 https://collectionslitclub.wordpress.com/ ?I?ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel? Maya Angelou -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de Mon Feb 5 13:16:16 2024 From: d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de (Dirk Neumann) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 19:16:16 +0100 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Historic jars gasket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8ac5fa48-7b96-43e3-a8d3-fb74f29d0bfc@leibniz-lib.de> Hi Laura, the 3 mm gap between the lid and the neck of the jar is not the problem, unless the stopper itself fits nicely into the joint and the contact surfaces / diameters of the neck-joint and the stopper fit (i.e. the stopper would not wobble in the joint). Even then, you could use slightly more Alsirol to fit the stopper in the slightly wider opening, because the Alsirol - compared e.g. to Vaseline, is rather stable and would not start flowing down. Silicon and other sealants like putty are hard to remove and not so easily "reversible". The contact surface of the joint should be long enough to make a good closure, an additional gasket is not required in my view. Hope this helps, with best wishes Dirk Am 05.02.2024 um 18:57 schrieb Callomon,Paul: ACHTUNG/ATTENTION: Diese E-Mail stammt von einem externen Absender. / This e-mail comes from an external sender. Hi Laura, Those look like Whittall-Tatum jars, made here in Philadelphia. We have them in our collection. We have successfully sealed these jars with silicon caulk in the past, but certain of its curing products - such as acetic acid - could affect the fluid. One material that has been used to cut gaskets is neoprene, and butyl rubber sheet might also be fine, especially if you thinly coat both glass faces with non-setting vacuum grease. If you do use caulk, use very little pressure on the clamp as without a gasket you could crack the lid through overtightening or even temperature changes. Our iconic Walter the Octopus is in a large 25-gallon WT jar whose lid is stuck on with silicon (no clamp could be found) and it's held for 23 years so far. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Laura Rinc?n Sent: Monday, February 5, 2024 12:19 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Historic jars gasket External. Hello everybody, I've been reading some thread emails about sealants in historic jars, but I can't find what the best way to close these jars is (see photos attached). I was planning to get Alsirol, but then I realized that there is a 3 mm. space between the rim and lid. The "best" will be a gasket, but I'm not sure if there are proper gaskets for these jars. I would appreciate your recommendations or advice. Thanks, -- Laura A. Rinc?n R. | Museum Studies professional Museum Specialist Division of Invertebrate Zoology American Museum of Natural History Central Park West at 79th Street New York, NY 10024 https://collectionslitclub.wordpress.com/ ?I?ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel? Maya Angelou _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian. www.natural-history-conservation.com > On 5 Feb 2024, at 18:16, Dirk Neumann wrote: > > Hi Laura, > > the 3 mm gap between the lid and the neck of the jar is not the problem, unless the stopper itself fits nicely into the joint and the contact surfaces / diameters of the neck-joint and the stopper fit (i.e. the stopper would not wobble in the joint). Even then, you could use slightly more Alsirol to fit the stopper in the slightly wider opening, because the Alsirol - compared e.g. to Vaseline, is rather stable and would not start flowing down. > > Silicon and other sealants like putty are hard to remove and not so easily "reversible". The contact surface of the joint should be long enough to make a good closure, an additional gasket is not required in my view. > > Hope this helps, > with best wishes > Dirk > > > Am 05.02.2024 um 18:57 schrieb Callomon,Paul: >> ACHTUNG/ATTENTION: Diese E-Mail stammt von einem externen Absender. / This e-mail comes from an external sender. >> >> Hi Laura, >> >> Those look like Whittall-Tatum jars, made here in Philadelphia. We have them in our collection. We have successfully sealed these jars with silicon caulk in the past, but certain of its curing products - such as acetic acid - could affect the fluid. One material that has been used to cut gaskets is neoprene, and butyl rubber sheet might also be fine, especially if you thinly coat both glass faces with non-setting vacuum grease. If you do use caulk, use very little pressure on the clamp as without a gasket you could crack the lid through overtightening or even temperature changes. >> >> Our iconic Walter the Octopus is in a large 25-gallon WT jar whose lid is stuck on with silicon (no clamp could be found) and it's held for 23 years so far. >> >> >> Paul Callomon >> Collection Manager, Malacology and General InvertebratesAcademy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia >> callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 >> >> From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Laura Rinc?n >> Sent: Monday, February 5, 2024 12:19 PM >> To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Historic jars gasket >> External. >> Hello everybody, >> >> I've been reading some thread emails about sealants in historic jars, but I can't find what the best way to close these jars is (see photos attached). I was planning to get Alsirol, but then I realized that there is a 3 mm. space between the rim and lid. The "best" will be a gasket, but I'm not sure if there are proper gaskets for these jars. >> >> I would appreciate your recommendations or advice. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Laura A. Rinc?n R. | Museum Studies professional >> Museum Specialist >> Division of Invertebrate Zoology >> American Museum of Natural History >> Central Park West at 79th Street >> New York, NY 10024 >> https://collectionslitclub.wordpress.com/ >> ?I?ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel? Maya Angelou >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nhcoll-l mailing list >> Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of >> Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose >> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of >> natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to >> society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. >> Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. >> > > -- > **** > Dirk Neumann > Collection Manager, Hamburg > Postal address: > Museum of Nature Hamburg > Leibniz Institute for the Analysis > of Biodiversity Change > Dirk Neumann > Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 > 20146 Hamburg > +49 40 238 317 ? 628 > d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de > www.leibniz-lib.de > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) > Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn > Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) > Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn > Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. From RDelovio at nevadaculture.org Mon Feb 5 17:43:49 2024 From: RDelovio at nevadaculture.org (Rachel Delovio) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 22:43:49 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Database for Anthropology Department In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello everyone, We are looking into a new database for the Anthropology Department. We hold archaeological materials (e.g., lithics, textiles, faunal remains) as well as paleontological specimens, ethnographic artifacts, and archives. For those that curate archaeological collections, would you share what database you are currently using? Thank you! We appreciate the input. Rachel Kaleilehua Delovio Anthropology Collections Manager Nevada State Museum 600 N. Carson Street Carson City, NV 89701 (775) 687-4810 x229 [State Museum-CC-For Email] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Angela > On Feb 5, 2024, at 1:43?PM, Rachel Delovio wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We are looking into a new database for the Anthropology Department. We hold archaeological materials (e.g., lithics, textiles, faunal remains) as well as paleontological specimens, ethnographic artifacts, and archives. For those that curate archaeological collections, would you share what database you are currently using? > > Thank you! We appreciate the input. > > Rachel Kaleilehua Delovio > Anthropology Collections Manager > Nevada State Museum > 600 N. 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Huber) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 19:08:39 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Pest identification Message-ID: <098FD595-4616-4136-96C0-CE2DCFFBC074@vims.edu> Something is eating paper (with a preference for paper + glue) in one of our collection offices. I was thinking cockroach, but was confused by the shimmering trails. Traps haven?t turned up anything yet. And so far the pest only eats paper in one office (hopefully contained there for now). Any ideas who the culprit is? [IMG_6491.jpg] [IMG_6490.jpg] [IMG_6489.jpg] Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_6491.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 608792 bytes Desc: IMG_6491.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Something is eating paper (with a preference for paper + glue) in one of our collection offices. I was thinking cockroach, but was confused by the shimmering trails. Traps haven?t turned up anything yet. And so far the pest only eats paper in one office (hopefully contained there for now). Any ideas who the culprit is? [IMG_6491.jpg] [IMG_6490.jpg] [IMG_6489.jpg] Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_6491.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 608792 bytes Desc: IMG_6491.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_6490.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 492083 bytes Desc: IMG_6490.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here in the US we have Dekko brand silverfish paks - maybe there's some equivalent in Europe. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of a.j.van_dam at lumc.nl Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 2:19 PM To: skhuber at vims.edu ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Pest identification External. Paper/glue/starch in combination with high humidity, silverfish love it. Kind regards, Dries ________________________________ Van: Nhcoll-l namens Sarah K. Huber Verzonden: woensdag 7 februari 2024 20:08 Aan: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Onderwerp: [Nhcoll-l] Pest identification Something is eating paper (with a preference for paper + glue) in one of our collection offices. I was thinking cockroach, but was confused by the shimmering trails. 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Huber Sent: February 7, 2024 3:09 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Pest identification Something is eating paper (with a preference for paper + glue) in one of our collection offices. I was thinking cockroach, but was confused by the shimmering trails. Traps haven?t turned up anything yet. And so far the pest only eats paper in one office (hopefully contained there for now). Any ideas who the culprit is? [IMG_6491.jpg] [IMG_6490.jpg] [IMG_6489.jpg] Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 608792 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 492083 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 506395 bytes Desc: image003.jpg URL: From tpape at snm.ku.dk Wed Feb 7 14:45:58 2024 From: tpape at snm.ku.dk (Thomas Pape) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 19:45:58 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Pest identification In-Reply-To: <3ca771073ad04e1f886b566e60466273@NBMEX01.NBM.local> References: <098FD595-4616-4136-96C0-CE2DCFFBC074@vims.edu> <3ca771073ad04e1f886b566e60466273@NBMEX01.NBM.local> Message-ID: <0d0490ff99fd42ab9678e1ac4f93dcbf@snm.ku.dk> Possibly silverfish of the genus Ctenolepisma. The large C. longicaudatum is an growing pest problem in northern Europe. Slugs would leave traces of their mucus and most likely also their typical excrements. /Thomas Pape Natural History Museum of Denmark [Image] MOBILE: +45 2875 1106 ORCID: 0000-0001-6609-0609 ZOOM: ucph-ku.zoom.us/j/4409502389 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dee Stubbs-Lee Sent: 7. februar 2024 20:36 To: Sarah K. Huber ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Pest identification My first thought was also silverfish, however I recall an article discussing slug damage on paper where the examples looked similar. I found it as open access in the back issues of the Journal of the Canadian Association for Conservation: vol40_doc3.pdf (cac-accr.ca) Dee A. Stubbs-Lee, MA, CAPC, FIIC Conservator New Brunswick Museum 277 Douglas Avenue Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada E2K 1E5 (506)643-2341 Dee.Stubbs-Lee at nbm-mnb.ca http://www.nbm-mnb.ca/ From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Sarah K. Huber Sent: February 7, 2024 3:09 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Pest identification Something is eating paper (with a preference for paper + glue) in one of our collection offices. I was thinking cockroach, but was confused by the shimmering trails. Traps haven?t turned up anything yet. 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Huber) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 19:58:11 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Pest identification In-Reply-To: <3ca771073ad04e1f886b566e60466273@NBMEX01.NBM.local> References: <098FD595-4616-4136-96C0-CE2DCFFBC074@vims.edu> <3ca771073ad04e1f886b566e60466273@NBMEX01.NBM.local> Message-ID: I was hoping someone would say snail or slug. That was my first thought given the trails, and the fact that the damages is contained to one small room (but then I thought if it was a slug I would have found it by now). Sarah K. Huber, Ph.D. (she/her) Curatorial Associate, VIMS Nunnally Ichthyology Collection Office 804.684.7104 | Collection 804.684.7285 skhuber at vims.edu | http://www.vims.edu/research/facilities/fishcollection/index.php PO Box 1346 | 1370 Greate Rd., Gloucester Pt., VA 23062 From: Dee Stubbs-Lee Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 2:36 PM To: Sarah K. Huber ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: RE: Pest identification [EXTERNAL to VIMS received message] My first thought was also silverfish, however I recall an article discussing slug damage on paper where the examples looked similar. I found it as open access in the back issues of the Journal of the Canadian Association for Conservation: vol40_doc3.pdf (cac-accr.ca) Dee A. Stubbs-Lee, MA, CAPC, FIIC Conservator New Brunswick Museum 277 Douglas Avenue Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada E2K 1E5 (506)643-2341 Dee.Stubbs-Lee at nbm-mnb.ca www.nbm-mnb.ca From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Sarah K. Huber Sent: February 7, 2024 3:09 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Pest identification Something is eating paper (with a preference for paper + glue) in one of our collection offices. I was thinking cockroach, but was confused by the shimmering trails. Traps haven't turned up anything yet. 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[cid:part1.UIJeZcQd.h9srNKsd at leibniz-lib.de] [cid:part2.nu0v0gV8.p7TEGoUX at leibniz-lib.de] Am 07.02.2024 um 20:45 schrieb Thomas Pape: -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: b2WMvBHFSaT4t0F0.png Type: image/png Size: 105184 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This sort of damage is not consistent with damage to paper I have seen from other factors such as temperature / light / relative humidity problems. Dee Dee A. Stubbs-Lee, MA, CAPC, FIIC Conservator New Brunswick Museum 277 Douglas Avenue Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada E2K 1E5 (506)643-2341 Dee.Stubbs-Lee at nbm-mnb.ca www.nbm-mnb.ca From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: February 7, 2024 4:30 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Pest identification C. longicaudatum ... has the common name: paperfish (sic!) But: are we sure, that this is not a humidity issue? it looks a bit as the paper would disintegrate rather than being consumed ... Wouldn't paper and silverfish leave sharp clean edges ? [cid:image001.png at 01DA59E3.F9EF2AA0] [cid:image002.png at 01DA59E3.F9EF2AA0] Am 07.02.2024 um 20:45 schrieb Thomas Pape: -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 105184 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 888737 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From glewis-g at oeb.harvard.edu Wed Feb 7 15:41:00 2024 From: glewis-g at oeb.harvard.edu (Tocci, Genevieve E.) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 20:41:00 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Pest identification In-Reply-To: References: <098FD595-4616-4136-96C0-CE2DCFFBC074@vims.edu> <3ca771073ad04e1f886b566e60466273@NBMEX01.NBM.local> <0d0490ff99fd42ab9678e1ac4f93dcbf@snm.ku.dk> Message-ID: I agree that some of it looks like it could be silverfish damage (and the long tailed silverfish eats fast! C. longicaudatum) but other parts do not look like grazing and looks more like water/humidity. It is hard to say for sure. If you send this to the pestlist you may get some additional answers and ideas. Sometimes blunder traps right along the tasty areas helps, or placing them upside down on the floor and just slightly elevated with pennies or something that approximate thickness will get you better results for silverfish. Good luck! Genevieve ================================================= Genevieve E. Tocci, ALM (she/her/hers) Senior Curatorial Technician Harvard University Herbaria 22 Divinity Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138 U.S.A. glewis-g at oeb.harvard.edu I don?t expect you to respond to my email outside your work hours. From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 3:30 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Pest identification C. longicaudatum ... has the common name: paperfish (sic!) But: are we sure, that this is not a humidity issue? it looks a bit as the paper would disintegrate rather than being consumed ... Wouldn't paper and silverfish leave sharp clean edges ? [cid:image001.png at 01DA59DB.AB954F90] [cid:image002.png at 01DA59DB.AB954F90] Am 07.02.2024 um 20:45 schrieb Thomas Pape: -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 105184 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sometimes blunder traps right along the tasty areas helps, or placing them upside down on the floor and just slightly elevated with pennies or something that approximate thickness will get you better results for silverfish. Good luck! Genevieve ================================================= Genevieve E. Tocci, ALM (she/her/hers) Senior Curatorial Technician Harvard University Herbaria 22 Divinity Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138 U.S.A. glewis-g at oeb.harvard.edu I don?t expect you to respond to my email outside your work hours. From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 3:30 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Pest identification C. longicaudatum ... has the common name: paperfish (sic!) But: are we sure, that this is not a humidity issue? it looks a bit as the paper would disintegrate rather than being consumed ... Wouldn't paper and silverfish leave sharp clean edges ? [cid:part1.QDLU3pUV.DXEDKy0M at leibniz-lib.de] [cid:part2.fYVZCsux.eUlFB9yw at leibniz-lib.de] Am 07.02.2024 um 20:45 schrieb Thomas Pape: -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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The Workshop results from a collaboration between the Portuguese Anatomical Society, the National Museum of Natural History and Science of the University of Lisbon and the University of ?vora. Thanks for sharing. By the Organization, -------------------- Catarina Teixeira *Doutoranda em Hist?ria e Filosofia da Ci?ncia* *Instituto de Hist?ria Contempor?nea, Universidade de ?vora (IHC-U?/IN2PAST)* *PhD (Candidate) in History and Philosophy of Science* Institute of Contemporary History, University of ?vora (IHC-U?/IN2PAST) *Bolsa de Doutoramento da FCT* / Research Scholarship granted by Portuguese National Funding Agency for Science, Research and Technology: 2021.07319.BD [image: Log?tipos_IHC_2023.png] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nominations should include the name, current address, and recent CV of the nominee, and letter(s) of support expressing the nominee?s qualifications. Nominations for the Spiritus award are effective for three award cycles over a five-year period due to alternation between ichthyologist and herpetologist awardees. Note awardees must be members of ASIH (if nominees? membership has lapsed, nominators are given the opportunity to resolve). Nominations for the Spiritus Award should be sent to Katherine Bemis (bemisk at si.edu), Chair of the 2024 Spiritus Committee by 1 March 2024. The full call for nominations is posted here: https://www.asih.org/awards/spiritus-award Please reach out with any questions! Kate Ps. 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Cashion | Curator of Natural History Ohio History Connection | 800 East 17th Ave. Columbus, Ohio 43211 614.298.2054 | ecashion at ohiohistory.org She/Her/Hers The Ohio History Connection?s mission is to spark discovery of Ohio?s stories. Embrace the present, share the past and transform the future. Support the Ohio History Connection: www.ohiohistory.org/give. [cid:image001.png at 01DA5A9E.FDFCD9B0][cid:image002.png at 01DA5A9E.FDFCD9B0][cid:image003.png at 01DA5A9E.FDFCD9B0][cid:image004.png at 01DA5A9E.FDFCD9B0] From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Angela Linn Sent: Monday, February 5, 2024 7:09 PM To: Rachel Delovio Cc: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Database for Anthropology Department You don't often get email from ajlinn at alaska.edu. Learn why this is important HI Rachel, Here at the University of Alaska Museum of the North, our ethnology & history collection (ca. 18,000 catalog records), fine arts (4,500+ records), and archaeology (~750,000+ records) collections are all successfully managed through Arctos. We were the first cultural collections in this outstandingly flexible and powerful system back in 2014 and we?ve been really happy with it. I?d be happy to talk with you about Arctos and/or to put you in direct contact with our archaeology collection manager. All the best! Angela On Feb 5, 2024, at 1:43?PM, Rachel Delovio > wrote: Hello everyone, We are looking into a new database for the Anthropology Department. We hold archaeological materials (e.g., lithics, textiles, faunal remains) as well as paleontological specimens, ethnographic artifacts, and archives. For those that curate archaeological collections, would you share what database you are currently using? Thank you! We appreciate the input. 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I hope you will find this useful, success! best regards/Met vriendelijke groet, Sytske de Waart Co?rdinator vloeistofcollecties www.naturalis.nl Darwinweg 2, 2333 CR Leiden Postbus 9517, 2300 RA Leiden Op do 8 feb 2024 om 19:54 schreef Seth Raynor : > Hello everyone, > > Together with two of my colleagues at University of Colorado, we are > embarking on a comprehensive investigation of the lichen biota of Colorado, > which will include numerous new state records/range extensions, species new > to science, etc. > > > As such, we foresee that draft identification keys that we write now will > need to be massively reworked in the coming months and years. > > > > We are reaching out to ask if any of you have recent experience with > writing interactive/dynamic or otherwise online, easily amenable > dichotomous keys. If so, what are your favorite platforms, and why? 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Rutherford Curator of Zoology & Anatomy The Hunterian University of Glasgow Glasgow G12 8QQ Scotland E-mail: mike.rutherford at glasgow.ac.uk Mobile: +44(0)7988 383 219 Twitter: @Zoology_Museum www.glasgow.ac.uk/hunterian ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erin Cashion Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 19:56 To: Angela Linn ; Rachel Delovio Cc: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Database for Anthropology Department Hi all, I?m also interested in recommendations for catalog management platforms. My institution holds history, natural history, archaeological, and archival materials. Finding one platform that handles them all satisfactorily has been a challenge. There?s one solid vote for Arctos; is anyone else using this platform? Who is using Emu and is satisfied? Are there any other platforms we should consider? Thanks, Erin Erin B. Cashion | Curator of Natural History Ohio History Connection | 800 East 17th Ave. Columbus, Ohio 43211 614.298.2054 | ecashion at ohiohistory.org She/Her/Hers The Ohio History Connection?s mission is to spark discovery of Ohio?s stories. Embrace the present, share the past and transform the future. Support the Ohio History Connection: www.ohiohistory.org/give. [cid:image001.png at 01DA5A9E.FDFCD9B0][cid:image002.png at 01DA5A9E.FDFCD9B0][cid:image003.png at 01DA5A9E.FDFCD9B0][cid:image004.png at 01DA5A9E.FDFCD9B0] From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Angela Linn Sent: Monday, February 5, 2024 7:09 PM To: Rachel Delovio Cc: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Database for Anthropology Department You don't often get email from ajlinn at alaska.edu. Learn why this is important HI Rachel, Here at the University of Alaska Museum of the North, our ethnology & history collection (ca. 18,000 catalog records), fine arts (4,500+ records), and archaeology (~750,000+ records) collections are all successfully managed through Arctos. We were the first cultural collections in this outstandingly flexible and powerful system back in 2014 and we?ve been really happy with it. I?d be happy to talk with you about Arctos and/or to put you in direct contact with our archaeology collection manager. All the best! Angela On Feb 5, 2024, at 1:43?PM, Rachel Delovio > wrote: Hello everyone, We are looking into a new database for the Anthropology Department. We hold archaeological materials (e.g., lithics, textiles, faunal remains) as well as paleontological specimens, ethnographic artifacts, and archives. For those that curate archaeological collections, would you share what database you are currently using? Thank you! We appreciate the input. 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Right now we are thinking that a minimum viable mammal specimen consists of a skull, skin swatch, and tissues (muscle and liver?), but would like to open this discussion to other museums as it could benefit all. Thanks! Rebecca Hawkins (she/her) Curatorial Associate Sam Noble Museum 2401 Chautauqua Ave. Norman, OK 73072 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il Fri Feb 9 10:36:53 2024 From: gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il (Gali Beiner) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2024 17:36:53 +0200 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, this pretty much depends on how we'd define research, doesn't it? In our mammalian collection, different parts of the skeleton are used in different studies (eg comparative statistical study of populations) so keeping only skulls would severely limit usefulness. A study can, for example, compare only calcanea of a species to determine variation ranges and help identify archaeological finds. Miminimizing saved parts to skull in a swatch of skin and tissue will therefore always cut out research options and it is up to us to decide how and when that might be acceptable, if it is acceptable. That said, I extend my sympathy for anyone facing restricted space, the plight of all natural history collections! Best wishes, Gali ?????? ??? ??, 9 ????? 2024, 16:43, ??? Hawkins, Rebecca K. ?< rkhawkins at ou.edu>: > Hello all, > > Here at the Sam Noble Museum, we have been brainstorming about mammal prep > types that would minimize a specimen's footprint in the collection space > while maximizing research potential, which we have dubbed the 'minimum > viable specimen' in conversation. Such a concept would be useful for larger > mammals like coyotes, which?in large numbers?would take a lot of time and > effort to prepare and would be spatially expensive to store as stuffed > skins and skeletons. With minimum viable specimens, large mammals could be > collected in larger sample sizes crucial for research like characterizing > population variability and change over time. > > Right now we are thinking that a minimum viable mammal specimen consists > of a skull, skin swatch, and tissues (muscle and liver?), but would like to > open this discussion to other museums as it could benefit all. Thanks! > > Rebecca Hawkins (she/her) > Curatorial Associate > Sam Noble Museum > 2401 Chautauqua Ave. > Norman, OK 73072 > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian. www.natural-history-conservation.com > On 9 Feb 2024, at 14:42, Hawkins, Rebecca K. wrote: > > Hello all, > Here at the Sam Noble Museum, we have been brainstorming about mammal prep types that would minimize a specimen's footprint in the collection space while maximizing research potential, which we have dubbed the 'minimum viable specimen' in conversation. Such a concept would be useful for larger mammals like coyotes, which?in large numbers?would take a lot of time and effort to prepare and would be spatially expensive to store as stuffed skins and skeletons. With minimum viable specimens, large mammals could be collected in larger sample sizes crucial for research like characterizing population variability and change over time. > > Right now we are thinking that a minimum viable mammal specimen consists of a skull, skin swatch, and tissues (muscle and liver?), but would like to open this discussion to other museums as it could benefit all. Thanks! > > Rebecca Hawkins (she/her) > Curatorial Associate > Sam Noble Museum > 2401 Chautauqua Ave. > Norman, OK 73072 > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. From monotomidae at gmail.com Fri Feb 9 11:04:19 2024 From: monotomidae at gmail.com (Tommy McElrath) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:04:19 -0600 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Interactive/Dynamic Keys In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Seth, ?Distinguish? by the Species File Group is an open-source solution that allows you to build your matrices in TaxonWorks and deploy them via GitHub pages: https://github.com/SpeciesFileGroup/distinguish/?tab=readme-ov-file I?ve built interactive keys in LUCID https://www.lucidcentral.org/ before as well, and I honestly prefer Distinguish/TaxonWorks over their proprietary process. The barrier to entry is a bit higher, as you?ll have to learn to use matrix and key-building tools in TaxonWorks, then deploy them with GitHub, but it?s free and the development team and very responsive to questions. https://speciesfilegroup.org/events.html Hope you find a tool that works for you! Best, -- TOMMY MCELRATH Insect Collection Manager Illinois Natural History Survey Prairie Research Institute University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Natural Resources Bldg. 615 E. Peabody Dr. | MC 650 Champaign, IL 61820 217-300-5938 | tcm at illinois.edu insect.inhs.illinois.edu Under the Illinois Freedom of Information Act any written communication to or from university employees regarding university business is a public record and may be subject to public disclosure. > On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:37?PM, Seth Raynor wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Together with two of my colleagues at University of Colorado, we are embarking on a comprehensive investigation of the lichen biota of Colorado, which will include numerous new state records/range extensions, species new to science, etc. > > > As such, we foresee that draft identification keys that we write now will need to be massively reworked in the coming months and years. > > > > We are reaching out to ask if any of you have recent experience with writing interactive/dynamic or otherwise online, easily amenable dichotomous keys. If so, what are your favorite platforms, and why? Are they proprietary or open access? > > Hoping to hear some feedback from those of you with some expertise and experience in this area! > > > Thank you for the time and help in advance! > > Best, > > > > Seth Raynor > > Graduate Student | Manzitto-Tripp Lichen Lab > > University of Colorado > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cc: NHCOLL-new Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen [EXTERNAL] Hi Rebecca, Another part of carnivore (and some other mammal) anatomy is the baculum for male specimens which, apparently, can reveal data about growth, something I researched slightly back nine years ago the 1990s and when I was prepping a skull from such a specimen I was also asked to extract this extra part of the skeleton. With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian. www.natural-history-conservation.com > On 9 Feb 2024, at 14:42, Hawkins, Rebecca K. wrote: > > Hello all, > Here at the Sam Noble Museum, we have been brainstorming about mammal prep types that would minimize a specimen's footprint in the collection space while maximizing research potential, which we have dubbed the 'minimum viable specimen' in conversation. Such a concept would be useful for larger mammals like coyotes, which?in large numbers?would take a lot of time and effort to prepare and would be spatially expensive to store as stuffed skins and skeletons. With minimum viable specimens, large mammals could be collected in larger sample sizes crucial for research like characterizing population variability and change over time. > > Right now we are thinking that a minimum viable mammal specimen consists of a skull, skin swatch, and tissues (muscle and liver?), but would like to open this discussion to other museums as it could benefit all. Thanks! > > Rebecca Hawkins (she/her) > Curatorial Associate > Sam Noble Museum > 2401 Chautauqua Ave. > Norman, OK 73072 > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. 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URL: From crfreiwa at olemiss.edu Fri Feb 9 11:16:53 2024 From: crfreiwa at olemiss.edu (Carolyn R Freiwald) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2024 16:16:53 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen In-Reply-To: <3F554872-8F26-4C60-AF5C-9B03E4354E8E@btinternet.com> References: <3F554872-8F26-4C60-AF5C-9B03E4354E8E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Apologies, I blame my phone. I'm a researcher who specializes in studying animal skeletons, and I can't emphasize enough the need to collect the whole skeleton for important species, perhaps those your museum is specializing in. Health and pathology, including trauma, require most or all of the skeleton. For example, we are studying a canid species and I may have identified a new manifestation of a common disease that seems to display in the vertebrae and ribs. I know that's not the answer to your question, but that is what I need as a zooarchaeologist who also works with modern wildlife using skeletal remains. Good luck! Carolyn Carolyn Dr. Carolyn Freiwald Department of Sociology and Anthropology University of Mississippi 544 Lamar University MS 38677 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Simon Moore Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 9:38 AM To: Hawkins, Rebecca K. Cc: NHCOLL-new Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen [EXTERNAL] Hi Rebecca, Another part of carnivore (and some other mammal) anatomy is the baculum for male specimens which, apparently, can reveal data about growth, something I researched slightly back nine years ago the 1990s and when I was prepping a skull from such a specimen I was also asked to extract this extra part of the skeleton. With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian. www.natural-history-conservation.com > On 9 Feb 2024, at 14:42, Hawkins, Rebecca K. wrote: > > Hello all, > Here at the Sam Noble Museum, we have been brainstorming about mammal prep types that would minimize a specimen's footprint in the collection space while maximizing research potential, which we have dubbed the 'minimum viable specimen' in conversation. Such a concept would be useful for larger mammals like coyotes, which?in large numbers?would take a lot of time and effort to prepare and would be spatially expensive to store as stuffed skins and skeletons. With minimum viable specimens, large mammals could be collected in larger sample sizes crucial for research like characterizing population variability and change over time. > > Right now we are thinking that a minimum viable mammal specimen consists of a skull, skin swatch, and tissues (muscle and liver?), but would like to open this discussion to other museums as it could benefit all. Thanks! > > Rebecca Hawkins (she/her) > Curatorial Associate > Sam Noble Museum > 2401 Chautauqua Ave. > Norman, OK 73072 > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. 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URL: From madeleine_mullon at fas.harvard.edu Fri Feb 9 11:41:57 2024 From: madeleine_mullon at fas.harvard.edu (Mullon, Madeleine) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2024 16:41:57 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would argue that postcranial skeletal elements have become increasingly relevant in mammalogy collections-most historical holdings consist of skin & skull only, as collectors and mammalogists used to be of the opinion that the skull was the only truly "useful" part of the skeleton for their work. At the MCZ, we see many visitors, especially in our primates and carnivorans, that are interested solely in postcranial elements, if not more than are interested in the skulls. I'd say it would be a shame to keep only the skull. If you wanted to reduce the overall footprint of a whole skeleton, I would say there's the option to keep only one side of the paired elements-one of each limb, ribs, etc. But, in that case, I would suggest always keeping the full skeletons of species that are rare or uncommon in collections (or were historically more accessible to collect, but now less so), and any pathological elements. It would make sense to me that if you have a collection with hundreds of local coyote specimens, for instance, you might not want to keep the entirety of the specimen if your collection is struggling with space constraints. As far as skin preparation methods go, for those medium-sized species (canids, mid-sized felids, etc.), if you are dedicated to keeping the whole skin, I tend to prefer tanned hides that have been case skinned over flat hides or study skins of those species, because their regular shape makes them easier to store than flat hides (assuming you're not stacking them on top of each other), and they occupy less volume than study skins of those species, especially vertically. I'm not opposed to the idea of skin swatches for those larger species either-maybe keeping the face skin and a middorsal section? I also think there's the opportunity for fluid preserved specimens to be included in this conversation, particularly for small mammals. The spatial footprint of small mammals is not much different whether you choose to preserve them as skin & skull/skeleton only or as whole-body fluid specimens and the fluid preservation in that case would allow for even more parts of the animal to be preserved. Many small mammals can be stored in a single jar. This, of course, assumes your mammal collection has the capacity to store fluid specimens, and would have to consider the space required to store jars and the efficiency of that storage. Best, Madeleine Mullon She/they MCZ Mammalogy [https://huctw.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/huctw_email_sig_2012_white.jpg?download=1] From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Hawkins, Rebecca K. Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 9:43 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen Hello all, Here at the Sam Noble Museum, we have been brainstorming about mammal prep types that would minimize a specimen's footprint in the collection space while maximizing research potential, which we have dubbed the 'minimum viable specimen' in conversation. Such a concept would be useful for larger mammals like coyotes, which-in large numbers-would take a lot of time and effort to prepare and would be spatially expensive to store as stuffed skins and skeletons. With minimum viable specimens, large mammals could be collected in larger sample sizes crucial for research like characterizing population variability and change over time. Right now we are thinking that a minimum viable mammal specimen consists of a skull, skin swatch, and tissues (muscle and liver?), but would like to open this discussion to other museums as it could benefit all. Thanks! 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The history of use of natural history collections tells us very clearly that there is an unending variety of ways to use specimens, particularly as advances in technology enable us to look at specimens in entirely new ways. Which brings us to a collecting conundrum?we should be making collections for future research, not just present research, but what will future researchers need? We don?t know. What we do know is that the large amount of literature on uses of natural history collections, taken all together, makes a strong argument for keeping all parts of organisms rather than just traditional preparations or reduced parts of specimens. What museums should be doing is diversifying the types of preparations for specimens they are collecting now (natural history museums should be actively collecting to document the effects of climate change). Traditional study skins are still useful, but so are full skeletons, fluid-preserved specimens, and many other types of preparations. One of the problems is that modern collections reflect the traditions in the various ?-ologies,? which is why mammal collections have traditionally had mostly skins and skulls, bird collections mostly skins with a partial skull intact, amphibian, reptile, and fish collections but whole animals in fluid, insects are pinned, and so on. These traditional preparations often fail to provide the kind of specimens needed for future research. To address the very serious problem you have brought up about ?specimen footprint? (that is a very descriptive term and we should all start using it)?there are several approaches to solving the problem. To mention just a few: 1-We need new designs for collection storage furniture to make better use of space while still allowing efficient monitoring of specimens (without having to pick them up or move them). We need to re-think drawer size and shape, cabinet configurations, the use of wide shelving vs narrow shelving, making better use of compactors, the size and shape of specimens and specimen containers, and so forth. 2-We can house specimen parts separately. Consider that most skulls are not the same shape as study skins, round jars are not necessarily the best shape to hold fluid-preserved specimens, skeletons need individual containers but study skins usually do not, etc. 3-This next suggestion often results in me being called a heretic, but it is, in fact, the easiest and most cost-effective way to make better use of space that we have right now. The suggestion is that we should abandon attempts at so-called ?systematic arrangements? of collection storage arrays and instead develop collection storage arrays that are designed to better use space while providing the best storage environment for the collection (for example, bones tolerate a wider range of temperature and humidity than do skins). Particularly considering the flood of taxonomic changes resulting from molecular systematics, and the need to collect more specimens now to document climate change, our old collection storage arrays are a liability. We need to start by assessing the size and shape of specimens and containers, then consider the environmental requirements, and then develop storage arrays that are a better use of space and use the collection database to find specimen, not a faux systematic arrangement (no linear arrangement can be phylogenetic, and I have never seen a branching sequence of cabinets or shelving). Non-systematic arrangements can accommodate collection growth far more efficiently than traditional collection storage arrays. There have been a few publications addressing the problem of crowded natural history collection storage. I will list a few below, and hope that people will add those that I have missed. At the 2022 SPNHC meeting in Edinburgh there was a session on ?Managing Long-Term Sustainability in an Uncertain Future? that included several presentations directly addressing the topic of best use of storage space. Not all of the speakers published papers based on their presentations, so if you are interested, check the abstracts from the meeting. One last thing?before anyone rejects the idea of non-systematic arrangements for natural history collections, please take time to read the paper below by Cohen et al. listed below and look carefully at the amount of space they saved. Thanks again to Rebecca for bringing up this very important topic for discussion. --John Callomon, P. 2019. An improved design for the storage of fluid-preserved specimens in small to medium-sized containers. *SPNHC Connection* 33(2):28-32. Cohen, A. E., D. A. Hendrickson, and M. J. Casarez. 2019. An alternative shelving arrangement for natural history collection objects to optimize space and task efficiency. *Collection Storage* 33(1):55-72. McAlpine, D. F., and F. W. Schueler. 2018. Herpetology meets botany: using herbarium methods to archive dried skins of frogs and snakes. *Herpetological Review* 49(2):236-238. Simmons, J. E. 2013. Application of preventive conservation to solve the coming crisis in collections management. *Collection Forum* 27(1-2):89-101. Simmons, J. E. and Y. Mu?oz-Saba. 2003. The theoretical bases of collections management. *Collection Forum* 18(1-2):38-49. John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica *and* Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 9:43?AM Hawkins, Rebecca K. wrote: > Hello all, > > Here at the Sam Noble Museum, we have been brainstorming about mammal prep > types that would minimize a specimen's footprint in the collection space > while maximizing research potential, which we have dubbed the 'minimum > viable specimen' in conversation. Such a concept would be useful for larger > mammals like coyotes, which?in large numbers?would take a lot of time and > effort to prepare and would be spatially expensive to store as stuffed > skins and skeletons. With minimum viable specimens, large mammals could be > collected in larger sample sizes crucial for research like characterizing > population variability and change over time. > > Right now we are thinking that a minimum viable mammal specimen consists > of a skull, skin swatch, and tissues (muscle and liver?), but would like to > open this discussion to other museums as it could benefit all. Thanks! > > Rebecca Hawkins (she/her) > Curatorial Associate > Sam Noble Museum > 2401 Chautauqua Ave. > Norman, OK 73072 > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prc44 at drexel.edu Fri Feb 9 13:31:55 2024 From: prc44 at drexel.edu (Callomon,Paul) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2024 18:31:55 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John's excellent mail reminds me that in our wet-storage room here we have a large donated collection of birds that were - unusually - preserved whole in alcohol. These thus retain their parasites, gut contents, organs - the whole ecosystem. Five of them in a gallon jar, however, represent the same storage liability as a whole drawer of well-prepared study skins. Our new project HaptoNet aims to re-examine collections of marine benthic organisms - primarily mollusks - and catalog all those organisms, such as sponges, hydroids, bryozoans, barnacles and tubeworms - whose presence up to now we have grudgingly tolerated but ignored in terms of digitization. What we need to know about conditions on the sea floor over the last 350 years, however, now makes them just as important as any more "glamorous" organism. "Climate change," as someone said, "makes hypocrites of us all." As John points out, it also calls the (historic) organization of our collections into question. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of John E Simmons Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 1:18 PM To: Hawkins, Rebecca K. Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen External. Thank you, Rebecca Hawkins, for bringing up this problem that we, the natural history collections community need to discuss. I sympathize with the problem of crowded collections. I don?t know of a heavily used natural history collection anywhere that does not have this problem. However, I don?t think selecting a few essential parts of a specimen is a good idea. As several responses have already pointed out, there are research uses for all parts of a specimen, and we keep finding new uses for all parts of a specimen. The history of use of natural history collections tells us very clearly that there is an unending variety of ways to use specimens, particularly as advances in technology enable us to look at specimens in entirely new ways. Which brings us to a collecting conundrum?we should be making collections for future research, not just present research, but what will future researchers need? We don?t know. What we do know is that the large amount of literature on uses of natural history collections, taken all together, makes a strong argument for keeping all parts of organisms rather than just traditional preparations or reduced parts of specimens. What museums should be doing is diversifying the types of preparations for specimens they are collecting now (natural history museums should be actively collecting to document the effects of climate change). Traditional study skins are still useful, but so are full skeletons, fluid-preserved specimens, and many other types of preparations. One of the problems is that modern collections reflect the traditions in the various ?-ologies,? which is why mammal collections have traditionally had mostly skins and skulls, bird collections mostly skins with a partial skull intact, amphibian, reptile, and fish collections but whole animals in fluid, insects are pinned, and so on. These traditional preparations often fail to provide the kind of specimens needed for future research. To address the very serious problem you have brought up about ?specimen footprint? (that is a very descriptive term and we should all start using it)?there are several approaches to solving the problem. To mention just a few: 1-We need new designs for collection storage furniture to make better use of space while still allowing efficient monitoring of specimens (without having to pick them up or move them). We need to re-think drawer size and shape, cabinet configurations, the use of wide shelving vs narrow shelving, making better use of compactors, the size and shape of specimens and specimen containers, and so forth. 2-We can house specimen parts separately. Consider that most skulls are not the same shape as study skins, round jars are not necessarily the best shape to hold fluid-preserved specimens, skeletons need individual containers but study skins usually do not, etc. 3-This next suggestion often results in me being called a heretic, but it is, in fact, the easiest and most cost-effective way to make better use of space that we have right now. The suggestion is that we should abandon attempts at so-called ?systematic arrangements? of collection storage arrays and instead develop collection storage arrays that are designed to better use space while providing the best storage environment for the collection (for example, bones tolerate a wider range of temperature and humidity than do skins). Particularly considering the flood of taxonomic changes resulting from molecular systematics, and the need to collect more specimens now to document climate change, our old collection storage arrays are a liability. We need to start by assessing the size and shape of specimens and containers, then consider the environmental requirements, and then develop storage arrays that are a better use of space and use the collection database to find specimen, not a faux systematic arrangement (no linear arrangement can be phylogenetic, and I have never seen a branching sequence of cabinets or shelving). Non-systematic arrangements can accommodate collection growth far more efficiently than traditional collection storage arrays. There have been a few publications addressing the problem of crowded natural history collection storage. I will list a few below, and hope that people will add those that I have missed. At the 2022 SPNHC meeting in Edinburgh there was a session on ?Managing Long-Term Sustainability in an Uncertain Future? that included several presentations directly addressing the topic of best use of storage space. Not all of the speakers published papers based on their presentations, so if you are interested, check the abstracts from the meeting. One last thing?before anyone rejects the idea of non-systematic arrangements for natural history collections, please take time to read the paper below by Cohen et al. listed below and look carefully at the amount of space they saved. Thanks again to Rebecca for bringing up this very important topic for discussion. --John Callomon, P. 2019. An improved design for the storage of fluid-preserved specimens in small to medium-sized containers. SPNHC Connection 33(2):28-32. Cohen, A. E., D. A. Hendrickson, and M. J. Casarez. 2019. An alternative shelving arrangement for natural history collection objects to optimize space and task efficiency. Collection Storage 33(1):55-72. McAlpine, D. F., and F. W. Schueler. 2018. Herpetology meets botany: using herbarium methods to archive dried skins of frogs and snakes. Herpetological Review 49(2):236-238. Simmons, J. E. 2013. Application of preventive conservation to solve the coming crisis in collections management. Collection Forum 27(1-2):89-101. Simmons, J. E. and Y. Mu?oz-Saba. 2003. The theoretical bases of collections management. Collection Forum 18(1-2):38-49. John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica and Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 9:43?AM Hawkins, Rebecca K. > wrote: Hello all, Here at the Sam Noble Museum, we have been brainstorming about mammal prep types that would minimize a specimen's footprint in the collection space while maximizing research potential, which we have dubbed the 'minimum viable specimen' in conversation. Such a concept would be useful for larger mammals like coyotes, which?in large numbers?would take a lot of time and effort to prepare and would be spatially expensive to store as stuffed skins and skeletons. With minimum viable specimens, large mammals could be collected in larger sample sizes crucial for research like characterizing population variability and change over time. Right now we are thinking that a minimum viable mammal specimen consists of a skull, skin swatch, and tissues (muscle and liver?), but would like to open this discussion to other museums as it could benefit all. Thanks! Rebecca Hawkins (she/her) Curatorial Associate Sam Noble Museum 2401 Chautauqua Ave. Norman, OK 73072 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deanhend at austin.utexas.edu Fri Feb 9 17:15:21 2024 From: deanhend at austin.utexas.edu (Hendrickson Dean) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2024 22:15:21 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks John, for mentioning our presentation/paper. With permission of SPNHC, we archived both a copy of the pdf and the recording of my presentation of it at: Cohen, A. E., Hendrickson, D. A., & Casarez, M. J. (2022). Testing An Alternative Shelving Arrangement to Optimize Space and Task Efficiency in a Fluid Fish Collection. Presented by Hendrickson at SPNHC 2022, Edinburgh, Scotland. http://dx.doi.org/10.26153/tsw/44357 Adam (TNHC_Fish_CM at austin.utexas.edu) and I are both happy to answer questions and discuss this further. We?re still both very happy with the new system, and continue hoping one day we can convert the whole collection to this shelving method. He and his crew of volunteers and students have since done more testing of aspects of the system, and implemented some related experiments, all interesting and promising. I?ll also point out that Rob Robbins et al in the Fish Collection at University of Florida converted that collection to a similar space-efficient system that shares some of the same features as ours, and, with their move, they also were able to barcode everything to add additional power and efficiency. Dean [Fishes of Texas]Dean A. Hendrickson (pronunciation), Ph.D. (he/him/his) Curator of Ichthyology, Biodiversity Center, University of Texas, Texas Natural History Collections,10100 Burnet Rd., PRC176/R4000 Austin, Texas 78758 USA +1-512-656-9504 (cel.); Orcid / lab / collection / zoom From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of John E Simmons Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 12:19 PM To: Hawkins, Rebecca K. Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen Thank you, Rebecca Hawkins, for bringing up this problem that we, the natural history collections community need to discuss. I sympathize with the problem of crowded collections. I don?t know of a heavily used natural history collection anywhere that does not have this problem. However, I don?t think selecting a few essential parts of a specimen is a good idea. As several responses have already pointed out, there are research uses for all parts of a specimen, and we keep finding new uses for all parts of a specimen. The history of use of natural history collections tells us very clearly that there is an unending variety of ways to use specimens, particularly as advances in technology enable us to look at specimens in entirely new ways. Which brings us to a collecting conundrum?we should be making collections for future research, not just present research, but what will future researchers need? We don?t know. What we do know is that the large amount of literature on uses of natural history collections, taken all together, makes a strong argument for keeping all parts of organisms rather than just traditional preparations or reduced parts of specimens. What museums should be doing is diversifying the types of preparations for specimens they are collecting now (natural history museums should be actively collecting to document the effects of climate change). Traditional study skins are still useful, but so are full skeletons, fluid-preserved specimens, and many other types of preparations. One of the problems is that modern collections reflect the traditions in the various ?-ologies,? which is why mammal collections have traditionally had mostly skins and skulls, bird collections mostly skins with a partial skull intact, amphibian, reptile, and fish collections but whole animals in fluid, insects are pinned, and so on. These traditional preparations often fail to provide the kind of specimens needed for future research. To address the very serious problem you have brought up about ?specimen footprint? (that is a very descriptive term and we should all start using it)?there are several approaches to solving the problem. To mention just a few: 1-We need new designs for collection storage furniture to make better use of space while still allowing efficient monitoring of specimens (without having to pick them up or move them). We need to re-think drawer size and shape, cabinet configurations, the use of wide shelving vs narrow shelving, making better use of compactors, the size and shape of specimens and specimen containers, and so forth. 2-We can house specimen parts separately. Consider that most skulls are not the same shape as study skins, round jars are not necessarily the best shape to hold fluid-preserved specimens, skeletons need individual containers but study skins usually do not, etc. 3-This next suggestion often results in me being called a heretic, but it is, in fact, the easiest and most cost-effective way to make better use of space that we have right now. The suggestion is that we should abandon attempts at so-called ?systematic arrangements? of collection storage arrays and instead develop collection storage arrays that are designed to better use space while providing the best storage environment for the collection (for example, bones tolerate a wider range of temperature and humidity than do skins). Particularly considering the flood of taxonomic changes resulting from molecular systematics, and the need to collect more specimens now to document climate change, our old collection storage arrays are a liability. We need to start by assessing the size and shape of specimens and containers, then consider the environmental requirements, and then develop storage arrays that are a better use of space and use the collection database to find specimen, not a faux systematic arrangement (no linear arrangement can be phylogenetic, and I have never seen a branching sequence of cabinets or shelving). Non-systematic arrangements can accommodate collection growth far more efficiently than traditional collection storage arrays. There have been a few publications addressing the problem of crowded natural history collection storage. I will list a few below, and hope that people will add those that I have missed. At the 2022 SPNHC meeting in Edinburgh there was a session on ?Managing Long-Term Sustainability in an Uncertain Future? that included several presentations directly addressing the topic of best use of storage space. Not all of the speakers published papers based on their presentations, so if you are interested, check the abstracts from the meeting. One last thing?before anyone rejects the idea of non-systematic arrangements for natural history collections, please take time to read the paper below by Cohen et al. listed below and look carefully at the amount of space they saved. Thanks again to Rebecca for bringing up this very important topic for discussion. --John Callomon, P. 2019. An improved design for the storage of fluid-preserved specimens in small to medium-sized containers. SPNHC Connection 33(2):28-32. Cohen, A. E., D. A. Hendrickson, and M. J. Casarez. 2019. An alternative shelving arrangement for natural history collection objects to optimize space and task efficiency. Collection Storage 33(1):55-72. McAlpine, D. F., and F. W. Schueler. 2018. Herpetology meets botany: using herbarium methods to archive dried skins of frogs and snakes. Herpetological Review 49(2):236-238. Simmons, J. E. 2013. Application of preventive conservation to solve the coming crisis in collections management. Collection Forum 27(1-2):89-101. Simmons, J. E. and Y. Mu?oz-Saba. 2003. The theoretical bases of collections management. Collection Forum 18(1-2):38-49. John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica and Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 9:43?AM Hawkins, Rebecca K. > wrote: Hello all, Here at the Sam Noble Museum, we have been brainstorming about mammal prep types that would minimize a specimen's footprint in the collection space while maximizing research potential, which we have dubbed the 'minimum viable specimen' in conversation. Such a concept would be useful for larger mammals like coyotes, which?in large numbers?would take a lot of time and effort to prepare and would be spatially expensive to store as stuffed skins and skeletons. With minimum viable specimens, large mammals could be collected in larger sample sizes crucial for research like characterizing population variability and change over time. Right now we are thinking that a minimum viable mammal specimen consists of a skull, skin swatch, and tissues (muscle and liver?), but would like to open this discussion to other museums as it could benefit all. Thanks! Rebecca Hawkins (she/her) Curatorial Associate Sam Noble Museum 2401 Chautauqua Ave. Norman, OK 73072 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. 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The specimens have given their lives - we owe them all we can to preserve as much of them as possible. They are so important in the current understanding and hopefully future of our world and environment that we cannot, must not, compromise! If museums that care for art and other cultural heritage don't have to worry about these petty problems - why should we? I know it doesn't solve our problems - but we cannot keep compromising and settling for second best. We must achieve the same consideration and importance as the art and cultural heritage collections. Exactly because the other were created by man, it should take second place - not first! That is my sentiment. Kristian Teaching associate professor Natural History Conservation Institute of Conservation Royal Danish Academy Sent from Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Hendrickson Dean Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 6:15:21 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen Du f?r ikke ofte mails fra deanhend at austin.utexas.edu. F? mere at vide om, hvorfor dette er vigtigt Thanks John, for mentioning our presentation/paper. With permission of SPNHC, we archived both a copy of the pdf and the recording of my presentation of it at: Cohen, A. E., Hendrickson, D. A., & Casarez, M. J. (2022). Testing An Alternative Shelving Arrangement to Optimize Space and Task Efficiency in a Fluid Fish Collection. Presented by Hendrickson at SPNHC 2022, Edinburgh, Scotland. http://dx.doi.org/10.26153/tsw/44357 Adam (TNHC_Fish_CM at austin.utexas.edu) and I are both happy to answer questions and discuss this further. We?re still both very happy with the new system, and continue hoping one day we can convert the whole collection to this shelving method. He and his crew of volunteers and students have since done more testing of aspects of the system, and implemented some related experiments, all interesting and promising. I?ll also point out that Rob Robbins et al in the Fish Collection at University of Florida converted that collection to a similar space-efficient system that shares some of the same features as ours, and, with their move, they also were able to barcode everything to add additional power and efficiency. Dean [Fishes of Texas]Dean A. Hendrickson (pronunciation), Ph.D. (he/him/his) Curator of Ichthyology, Biodiversity Center, University of Texas, Texas Natural History Collections,10100 Burnet Rd., PRC176/R4000 Austin, Texas 78758 USA +1-512-656-9504 (cel.); Orcid / lab / collection / zoom From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of John E Simmons Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 12:19 PM To: Hawkins, Rebecca K. Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen Thank you, Rebecca Hawkins, for bringing up this problem that we, the natural history collections community need to discuss. I sympathize with the problem of crowded collections. I don?t know of a heavily used natural history collection anywhere that does not have this problem. However, I don?t think selecting a few essential parts of a specimen is a good idea. As several responses have already pointed out, there are research uses for all parts of a specimen, and we keep finding new uses for all parts of a specimen. The history of use of natural history collections tells us very clearly that there is an unending variety of ways to use specimens, particularly as advances in technology enable us to look at specimens in entirely new ways. Which brings us to a collecting conundrum?we should be making collections for future research, not just present research, but what will future researchers need? We don?t know. What we do know is that the large amount of literature on uses of natural history collections, taken all together, makes a strong argument for keeping all parts of organisms rather than just traditional preparations or reduced parts of specimens. What museums should be doing is diversifying the types of preparations for specimens they are collecting now (natural history museums should be actively collecting to document the effects of climate change). Traditional study skins are still useful, but so are full skeletons, fluid-preserved specimens, and many other types of preparations. One of the problems is that modern collections reflect the traditions in the various ?-ologies,? which is why mammal collections have traditionally had mostly skins and skulls, bird collections mostly skins with a partial skull intact, amphibian, reptile, and fish collections but whole animals in fluid, insects are pinned, and so on. These traditional preparations often fail to provide the kind of specimens needed for future research. To address the very serious problem you have brought up about ?specimen footprint? (that is a very descriptive term and we should all start using it)?there are several approaches to solving the problem. To mention just a few: 1-We need new designs for collection storage furniture to make better use of space while still allowing efficient monitoring of specimens (without having to pick them up or move them). We need to re-think drawer size and shape, cabinet configurations, the use of wide shelving vs narrow shelving, making better use of compactors, the size and shape of specimens and specimen containers, and so forth. 2-We can house specimen parts separately. Consider that most skulls are not the same shape as study skins, round jars are not necessarily the best shape to hold fluid-preserved specimens, skeletons need individual containers but study skins usually do not, etc. 3-This next suggestion often results in me being called a heretic, but it is, in fact, the easiest and most cost-effective way to make better use of space that we have right now. The suggestion is that we should abandon attempts at so-called ?systematic arrangements? of collection storage arrays and instead develop collection storage arrays that are designed to better use space while providing the best storage environment for the collection (for example, bones tolerate a wider range of temperature and humidity than do skins). Particularly considering the flood of taxonomic changes resulting from molecular systematics, and the need to collect more specimens now to document climate change, our old collection storage arrays are a liability. We need to start by assessing the size and shape of specimens and containers, then consider the environmental requirements, and then develop storage arrays that are a better use of space and use the collection database to find specimen, not a faux systematic arrangement (no linear arrangement can be phylogenetic, and I have never seen a branching sequence of cabinets or shelving). Non-systematic arrangements can accommodate collection growth far more efficiently than traditional collection storage arrays. There have been a few publications addressing the problem of crowded natural history collection storage. I will list a few below, and hope that people will add those that I have missed. At the 2022 SPNHC meeting in Edinburgh there was a session on ?Managing Long-Term Sustainability in an Uncertain Future? that included several presentations directly addressing the topic of best use of storage space. Not all of the speakers published papers based on their presentations, so if you are interested, check the abstracts from the meeting. One last thing?before anyone rejects the idea of non-systematic arrangements for natural history collections, please take time to read the paper below by Cohen et al. listed below and look carefully at the amount of space they saved. Thanks again to Rebecca for bringing up this very important topic for discussion. --John Callomon, P. 2019. An improved design for the storage of fluid-preserved specimens in small to medium-sized containers. SPNHC Connection 33(2):28-32. Cohen, A. E., D. A. Hendrickson, and M. J. Casarez. 2019. An alternative shelving arrangement for natural history collection objects to optimize space and task efficiency. Collection Storage 33(1):55-72. McAlpine, D. F., and F. W. Schueler. 2018. Herpetology meets botany: using herbarium methods to archive dried skins of frogs and snakes. Herpetological Review 49(2):236-238. Simmons, J. E. 2013. Application of preventive conservation to solve the coming crisis in collections management. Collection Forum 27(1-2):89-101. Simmons, J. E. and Y. Mu?oz-Saba. 2003. The theoretical bases of collections management. Collection Forum 18(1-2):38-49. John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica and Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 9:43?AM Hawkins, Rebecca K. > wrote: Hello all, Here at the Sam Noble Museum, we have been brainstorming about mammal prep types that would minimize a specimen's footprint in the collection space while maximizing research potential, which we have dubbed the 'minimum viable specimen' in conversation. Such a concept would be useful for larger mammals like coyotes, which?in large numbers?would take a lot of time and effort to prepare and would be spatially expensive to store as stuffed skins and skeletons. With minimum viable specimens, large mammals could be collected in larger sample sizes crucial for research like characterizing population variability and change over time. Right now we are thinking that a minimum viable mammal specimen consists of a skull, skin swatch, and tissues (muscle and liver?), but would like to open this discussion to other museums as it could benefit all. Thanks! Rebecca Hawkins (she/her) Curatorial Associate Sam Noble Museum 2401 Chautauqua Ave. Norman, OK 73072 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu Mon Feb 12 09:38:06 2024 From: rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu (Rob Robins) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 14:38:06 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here?s a view into a little of the process (jars were barcode labeled in Dickinson Hall prior to packing and shipping to FM Special Collections building): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK8gyGRMYnc Best wishes, Rob Robert H. Robins Collection Manager Division of Ichthyology [FLMNH Fishes logo email small] Florida Museum 1659 Museum Rd. Gainesville, FL 32611-7800 Office: (352) 273-1957 rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu The UF Fish Collection is moving: https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/fish/ Search the Collection: http://specifyportal.flmnh.ufl.edu/fishes/ Search samples suitable for dna analysis: https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/grr/holdings/ From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Hendrickson Dean Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 5:15 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen [External Email] Thanks John, for mentioning our presentation/paper. With permission of SPNHC, we archived both a copy of the pdf and the recording of my presentation of it at: Cohen, A. E., Hendrickson, D. A., & Casarez, M. J. (2022). Testing An Alternative Shelving Arrangement to Optimize Space and Task Efficiency in a Fluid Fish Collection. Presented by Hendrickson at SPNHC 2022, Edinburgh, Scotland. http://dx.doi.org/10.26153/tsw/44357 Adam (TNHC_Fish_CM at austin.utexas.edu) and I are both happy to answer questions and discuss this further. We?re still both very happy with the new system, and continue hoping one day we can convert the whole collection to this shelving method. He and his crew of volunteers and students have since done more testing of aspects of the system, and implemented some related experiments, all interesting and promising. I?ll also point out that Rob Robbins et al in the Fish Collection at University of Florida converted that collection to a similar space-efficient system that shares some of the same features as ours, and, with their move, they also were able to barcode everything to add additional power and efficiency. Dean [Fishes of Texas]Dean A. Hendrickson (pronunciation), Ph.D. (he/him/his) Curator of Ichthyology, Biodiversity Center, University of Texas, Texas Natural History Collections,10100 Burnet Rd., PRC176/R4000 Austin, Texas 78758 USA +1-512-656-9504 (cel.); Orcid / lab / collection / zoom From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of John E Simmons Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 12:19 PM To: Hawkins, Rebecca K. > Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen Thank you, Rebecca Hawkins, for bringing up this problem that we, the natural history collections community need to discuss. I sympathize with the problem of crowded collections. I don?t know of a heavily used natural history collection anywhere that does not have this problem. However, I don?t think selecting a few essential parts of a specimen is a good idea. As several responses have already pointed out, there are research uses for all parts of a specimen, and we keep finding new uses for all parts of a specimen. The history of use of natural history collections tells us very clearly that there is an unending variety of ways to use specimens, particularly as advances in technology enable us to look at specimens in entirely new ways. Which brings us to a collecting conundrum?we should be making collections for future research, not just present research, but what will future researchers need? We don?t know. What we do know is that the large amount of literature on uses of natural history collections, taken all together, makes a strong argument for keeping all parts of organisms rather than just traditional preparations or reduced parts of specimens. What museums should be doing is diversifying the types of preparations for specimens they are collecting now (natural history museums should be actively collecting to document the effects of climate change). Traditional study skins are still useful, but so are full skeletons, fluid-preserved specimens, and many other types of preparations. One of the problems is that modern collections reflect the traditions in the various ?-ologies,? which is why mammal collections have traditionally had mostly skins and skulls, bird collections mostly skins with a partial skull intact, amphibian, reptile, and fish collections but whole animals in fluid, insects are pinned, and so on. These traditional preparations often fail to provide the kind of specimens needed for future research. To address the very serious problem you have brought up about ?specimen footprint? (that is a very descriptive term and we should all start using it)?there are several approaches to solving the problem. To mention just a few: 1-We need new designs for collection storage furniture to make better use of space while still allowing efficient monitoring of specimens (without having to pick them up or move them). We need to re-think drawer size and shape, cabinet configurations, the use of wide shelving vs narrow shelving, making better use of compactors, the size and shape of specimens and specimen containers, and so forth. 2-We can house specimen parts separately. Consider that most skulls are not the same shape as study skins, round jars are not necessarily the best shape to hold fluid-preserved specimens, skeletons need individual containers but study skins usually do not, etc. 3-This next suggestion often results in me being called a heretic, but it is, in fact, the easiest and most cost-effective way to make better use of space that we have right now. The suggestion is that we should abandon attempts at so-called ?systematic arrangements? of collection storage arrays and instead develop collection storage arrays that are designed to better use space while providing the best storage environment for the collection (for example, bones tolerate a wider range of temperature and humidity than do skins). Particularly considering the flood of taxonomic changes resulting from molecular systematics, and the need to collect more specimens now to document climate change, our old collection storage arrays are a liability. We need to start by assessing the size and shape of specimens and containers, then consider the environmental requirements, and then develop storage arrays that are a better use of space and use the collection database to find specimen, not a faux systematic arrangement (no linear arrangement can be phylogenetic, and I have never seen a branching sequence of cabinets or shelving). Non-systematic arrangements can accommodate collection growth far more efficiently than traditional collection storage arrays. There have been a few publications addressing the problem of crowded natural history collection storage. I will list a few below, and hope that people will add those that I have missed. At the 2022 SPNHC meeting in Edinburgh there was a session on ?Managing Long-Term Sustainability in an Uncertain Future? that included several presentations directly addressing the topic of best use of storage space. Not all of the speakers published papers based on their presentations, so if you are interested, check the abstracts from the meeting. One last thing?before anyone rejects the idea of non-systematic arrangements for natural history collections, please take time to read the paper below by Cohen et al. listed below and look carefully at the amount of space they saved. Thanks again to Rebecca for bringing up this very important topic for discussion. --John Callomon, P. 2019. An improved design for the storage of fluid-preserved specimens in small to medium-sized containers. SPNHC Connection 33(2):28-32. Cohen, A. E., D. A. Hendrickson, and M. J. Casarez. 2019. An alternative shelving arrangement for natural history collection objects to optimize space and task efficiency. Collection Storage 33(1):55-72. McAlpine, D. F., and F. W. Schueler. 2018. Herpetology meets botany: using herbarium methods to archive dried skins of frogs and snakes. Herpetological Review 49(2):236-238. Simmons, J. E. 2013. Application of preventive conservation to solve the coming crisis in collections management. Collection Forum 27(1-2):89-101. Simmons, J. E. and Y. Mu?oz-Saba. 2003. The theoretical bases of collections management. Collection Forum 18(1-2):38-49. John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica and Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 9:43?AM Hawkins, Rebecca K. > wrote: Hello all, Here at the Sam Noble Museum, we have been brainstorming about mammal prep types that would minimize a specimen's footprint in the collection space while maximizing research potential, which we have dubbed the 'minimum viable specimen' in conversation. Such a concept would be useful for larger mammals like coyotes, which?in large numbers?would take a lot of time and effort to prepare and would be spatially expensive to store as stuffed skins and skeletons. With minimum viable specimens, large mammals could be collected in larger sample sizes crucial for research like characterizing population variability and change over time. Right now we are thinking that a minimum viable mammal specimen consists of a skull, skin swatch, and tissues (muscle and liver?), but would like to open this discussion to other museums as it could benefit all. Thanks! Rebecca Hawkins (she/her) Curatorial Associate Sam Noble Museum 2401 Chautauqua Ave. Norman, OK 73072 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rose.s.leach at gmail.com Mon Feb 12 14:06:46 2024 From: rose.s.leach at gmail.com (Rose Leach Basom) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 14:06:46 -0500 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rebecca, I am glad that you are bringing up an important topic to the listserv; I think there are many excellent responses, so I won't repeat some of the points brought up in the thread. However, I do have a suggestion to consider for mammal prep that may or may not be feasible, I'm not sure of what resources you have available to you. As someone who does a lot of osteological research, I think having CT scans, or even surface scans of bones provide a lot of research potential, even if you're unable to permanently house large collections of complete skeletal specimens. By having this digital data, there is a significantly increased level of accessibility for researchers who may be interested in your collections, but may not have the resources to travel to the institution. Of course that does provide its own set of challenges, as the more inexpensive surface scanners (~$2000) are limited in the size of the specimen, and you have to determine where to store the data and how to access the database. But definitely something to think about, particularly if you're interested in future research. Best, Rose Rose Leach Basom David and Jane Cohn Scientist Science Museum of Virginia 2500 W Broad St Richmond, VA 23220 On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 9:38?AM Rob Robins wrote: > Here?s a view into a little of the process (jars were barcode labeled in > Dickinson Hall prior to packing and shipping to FM Special Collections > building): > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK8gyGRMYnc > > > Best wishes, > > > Rob > > > > Robert H. Robins > > Collection Manager > > Division of Ichthyology > > [image: FLMNH Fishes logo email small] > > Florida Museum > > 1659 Museum Rd. > > Gainesville, FL 32611-7800 > > Office: (352) 273-1957 > > rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu > > > > The UF Fish Collection is moving: > > https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/fish/ > > > > Search the Collection: > > http://specifyportal.flmnh.ufl.edu/fishes/ > > > > Search samples suitable for dna analysis: > > https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/grr/holdings/ > > > > *From:* Nhcoll-l * On Behalf Of *Hendrickson > Dean > *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2024 5:15 PM > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen > > > > *[External Email]* > > Thanks John, for mentioning our presentation/paper. With permission of > SPNHC, we archived both a copy of the pdf and the recording of my > presentation of it at: > > > > Cohen, A. E., Hendrickson, D. A., & Casarez, M. J. (2022). Testing An > Alternative Shelving Arrangement to Optimize Space and Task Efficiency in a > Fluid Fish Collection. Presented by Hendrickson at SPNHC 2022, Edinburgh, > Scotland. http://dx.doi.org/10.26153/tsw/44357 > > > > Adam (TNHC_Fish_CM at austin.utexas.edu) and I are both happy to answer > questions and discuss this further. We?re still both very happy with the > new system, and continue hoping one day we can convert the whole collection > to this shelving method. He and his crew of volunteers and students have > since done more testing of aspects of the system, and implemented some > related experiments, all interesting and promising. > > > > I?ll also point out that Rob Robbins et al in the Fish Collection at > University of Florida converted > that collection to a similar space-efficient system that shares some of the > same features as ours, and, with their move, they also were able to barcode > everything to add additional power and efficiency. > > > > Dean > > > > [image: Fishes of Texas] Dean A. > Hendrickson (pronunciation ), Ph.D. > (he/him/his) > > Curator of Ichthyology, Biodiversity Center > , University of Texas > , > > Texas Natural History Collections,10100 Burnet Rd., PRC176/R4000 > > Austin, Texas 78758 USA > > +1-512-656-9504 (cel.); Orcid / > lab / collection > > / zoom > > > > *From:* Nhcoll-l *On Behalf Of *John > E Simmons > *Sent:* Friday, February 9, 2024 12:19 PM > *To:* Hawkins, Rebecca K. > *Cc:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen > > > > Thank you, Rebecca Hawkins, for bringing up this problem that we, the > natural history collections community need to discuss. > > > > I sympathize with the problem of crowded collections. I don?t know of a > heavily used natural history collection anywhere that does not have this > problem. However, I don?t think selecting a few essential parts of a > specimen is a good idea. As several responses have already pointed out, > there are research uses for all parts of a specimen, and we keep finding > new uses for all parts of a specimen. The history of use of natural history > collections tells us very clearly that there is an unending variety of ways > to use specimens, particularly as advances in technology enable us to look > at specimens in entirely new ways. Which brings us to a collecting > conundrum?we should be making collections for future research, not just > present research, but what will future researchers need? We don?t know. > What we do know is that the large amount of literature on uses of natural > history collections, taken all together, makes a strong argument for > keeping all parts of organisms rather than just traditional preparations or > reduced parts of specimens. > > > > What museums should be doing is diversifying the types of preparations for > specimens they are collecting now (natural history museums should be > actively collecting to document the effects of climate change). Traditional > study skins are still useful, but so are full skeletons, fluid-preserved > specimens, and many other types of preparations. One of the problems is > that modern collections reflect the traditions in the various ?-ologies,? > which is why mammal collections have traditionally had mostly skins and > skulls, bird collections mostly skins with a partial skull intact, > amphibian, reptile, and fish collections but whole animals in fluid, > insects are pinned, and so on. These traditional preparations often fail to > provide the kind of specimens needed for future research. > > > > To address the very serious problem you have brought up about ?specimen > footprint? (that is a very descriptive term and we should all start using > it)?there are several approaches to solving the problem. To mention just a > few: > > > > 1-We need new designs for collection storage furniture to make better use > of space while still allowing efficient monitoring of specimens (without > having to pick them up or move them). We need to re-think drawer size and > shape, cabinet configurations, the use of wide shelving vs narrow shelving, > making better use of compactors, the size and shape of specimens and > specimen containers, and so forth. > > > > 2-We can house specimen parts separately. Consider that most skulls are > not the same shape as study skins, round jars are not necessarily the best > shape to hold fluid-preserved specimens, skeletons need individual > containers but study skins usually do not, etc. > > > > 3-This next suggestion often results in me being called a heretic, but it > is, in fact, the easiest and most cost-effective way to make better use of > space that we have right now. The suggestion is that we should abandon > attempts at so-called ?systematic arrangements? of collection storage > arrays and instead develop collection storage arrays that are designed to > better use space while providing the best storage environment for the > collection (for example, bones tolerate a wider range of temperature and > humidity than do skins). Particularly considering the flood of taxonomic > changes resulting from molecular systematics, and the need to collect more > specimens now to document climate change, our old collection storage arrays > are a liability. We need to start by assessing the size and shape of > specimens and containers, then consider the environmental requirements, and > then develop storage arrays that are a better use of space and use the > collection database to find specimen, not a faux systematic arrangement (no > linear arrangement can be phylogenetic, and I have never seen a branching > sequence of cabinets or shelving). Non-systematic arrangements can > accommodate collection growth far more efficiently than traditional > collection storage arrays. > > > > There have been a few publications addressing the problem of crowded > natural history collection storage. I will list a few below, and hope that > people will add those that I have missed. > > > > At the 2022 SPNHC meeting in Edinburgh there was a session on ?Managing > Long-Term Sustainability in an Uncertain Future? that included several > presentations directly addressing the topic of best use of storage space. > Not all of the speakers published papers based on their presentations, so > if you are interested, check the abstracts from the meeting. > > > > One last thing?before anyone rejects the idea of non-systematic > arrangements for natural history collections, please take time to read the > paper below by Cohen et al. listed below and look carefully at the amount > of space they saved. > > > > Thanks again to Rebecca for bringing up this very important topic for > discussion. > > > > --John > > > > Callomon, P. 2019. An improved design for the storage of fluid-preserved > specimens in small to medium-sized containers. *SPNHC Connection* > 33(2):28-32. > > > > Cohen, A. E., D. A. Hendrickson, and M. J. Casarez. 2019. An alternative > shelving arrangement for natural history collection objects to optimize > space and task efficiency. *Collection Storage* 33(1):55-72. > > > > McAlpine, D. F., and F. W. Schueler. 2018. Herpetology meets botany: using > herbarium methods to archive dried skins of frogs and snakes. *Herpetological > Review* 49(2):236-238. > > > > Simmons, J. E. 2013. Application of preventive conservation to solve the > coming crisis in collections management. *Collection Forum* > 27(1-2):89-101. > > > > Simmons, J. E. and Y. Mu?oz-Saba. 2003. The theoretical bases of > collections management. *Collection Forum* 18(1-2):38-49. > > > > > > John E. Simmons > Writer and Museum Consultant > > Museologica > *and* > Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia > Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 9:43?AM Hawkins, Rebecca K. > wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Here at the Sam Noble Museum, we have been brainstorming about mammal prep > types that would minimize a specimen's footprint in the collection space > while maximizing research potential, which we have dubbed the 'minimum > viable specimen' in conversation. Such a concept would be useful for larger > mammals like coyotes, which?in large numbers?would take a lot of time and > effort to prepare and would be spatially expensive to store as stuffed > skins and skeletons. With minimum viable specimens, large mammals could be > collected in larger sample sizes crucial for research like characterizing > population variability and change over time. > > > > Right now we are thinking that a minimum viable mammal specimen consists > of a skull, skin swatch, and tissues (muscle and liver?), but would like to > open this discussion to other museums as it could benefit all. Thanks! > > > > Rebecca Hawkins (she/her) > > Curatorial Associate > > Sam Noble Museum > > 2401 Chautauqua Ave. > > Norman, OK 73072 > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. 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Este curso gratuito y en l?nea abarca una introducci?n a la creaci?n de datos digitales de espec?menes de biodiversidad a aquellos que est?n empezando a incursionar en esta actividad. Para mas informaci?n sobre los objetivos de aprendizaje, consulta el panel del curso en https://digitizationacademy.org/courses. Este curso est? dirigido a aquellos que est?n ya asociados con colecciones de biodiversidad, como estudiantes trabajandondo como t?cnicos, profesionales en el manejo de colecciones, o curadores. El curso ser? relevante para una diversidad de tipos de colecciones. Los participantes no necesitan conocimiento previo de inform?tica para la biodiversidad o software especializado. El curso se realizar? los lunes y mi?rcoles a partir del 18 de marzo, excluyendo la semana del 8 al 12 de abril, y concluyendo la semana del 17 de abril. Este curso tendr? lugar de 15:00 a 16:30 hora este de EE.UU. (=hora de la ciudad de Nueva York, UTC-4) cada d?a. Cuente con dedicar hasta 2 horas adicionales de tiempo de preparaci?n fuera de clases por semana. As? que se trata de un compromiso de tiempo de unas 20 horas. El curso se impartir? principalmente en espa?ol, aunque algunos aspectos pueden estar en ingl?s. Aquellos interesados en participar fuera de EE.UU. pueden aplicar. Las aplicaciones deben someterse antes del 24 de febrero. Planeamos notificar a los aplicantes las decisiones de admisi?n andes de las 5 p.m. ET (UTC-4) del 27 de febrero. Planeamos limitar el curso a unos 20 participantes y tomaremos decisiones de admisi?n basadas en la relevancia de su formaci?n para las actividades futuras de tu organizaci?n y el deseo de involucrar una diversidad de perspectivas. Dirige cualquier pregunta sobre esta oportunidad a Kalina Jakymec (kjakymec at fsu.edu) o Fritz Pichardo Marcano (fpichardom at bio.fsu.edu). Por favor considere compartir este anuncio con otros que podr?an beneficiarse de esta oportunidad. 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There seems to be agreement that preserving the whole skeleton is necessary, along with a skin sample (e.g., skin swatch, tanned hide) and tissues. While preserving complete specimens is certainly ideal and any missing elements diminishes a specimen's research capacity, preserving something is better than no specimen at all, especially in regard to opportunistically salvaged specimens that can be collected in large quantities and may not be in a condition to be preserved completely (thank you John Simmons for the very interesting paper on preserving herp skins on herbarium sheets, I like the creative thinking and am already wondering how transferable that is to small rodent skins). We will still strive for complete specimens, and apply less complete specimens where strategically possible to enhance our collection. Again, thank you all for the engaging discussion. Feel free to continue to reach out to me with more thoughts/input. Rebecca Hawkins (she/her) Curatorial Associate Sam Noble Museum 2401 Chautauqua Ave. Norman, OK 73072 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Rose Leach Basom Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 1:06 PM To: Rob Robins Cc: Hendrickson Dean ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen Hi Rebecca, I am glad that you are bringing up an important topic to the listserv; I think there are many excellent responses, so I won't repeat some of the points brought up in the thread. However, I do have a suggestion to consider for mammal prep that may or may not be feasible, I'm not sure of what resources you have available to you. As someone who does a lot of osteological research, I think having CT scans, or even surface scans of bones provide a lot of research potential, even if you're unable to permanently house large collections of complete skeletal specimens. By having this digital data, there is a significantly increased level of accessibility for researchers who may be interested in your collections, but may not have the resources to travel to the institution. Of course that does provide its own set of challenges, as the more inexpensive surface scanners (~$2000) are limited in the size of the specimen, and you have to determine where to store the data and how to access the database. But definitely something to think about, particularly if you're interested in future research. Best, Rose Rose Leach Basom David and Jane Cohn Scientist Science Museum of Virginia 2500 W Broad St Richmond, VA 23220 On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 9:38?AM Rob Robins > wrote: Here?s a view into a little of the process (jars were barcode labeled in Dickinson Hall prior to packing and shipping to FM Special Collections building): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK8gyGRMYnc Best wishes, Rob Robert H. Robins Collection Manager Division of Ichthyology [FLMNH Fishes logo email small] Florida Museum 1659 Museum Rd. Gainesville, FL 32611-7800 Office: (352) 273-1957 rhrobins at flmnh.ufl.edu The UF Fish Collection is moving: https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/fish/ Search the Collection: http://specifyportal.flmnh.ufl.edu/fishes/ Search samples suitable for dna analysis: https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/grr/holdings/ From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Hendrickson Dean Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 5:15 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen [External Email] Thanks John, for mentioning our presentation/paper. With permission of SPNHC, we archived both a copy of the pdf and the recording of my presentation of it at: Cohen, A. E., Hendrickson, D. A., & Casarez, M. J. (2022). Testing An Alternative Shelving Arrangement to Optimize Space and Task Efficiency in a Fluid Fish Collection. Presented by Hendrickson at SPNHC 2022, Edinburgh, Scotland. http://dx.doi.org/10.26153/tsw/44357 Adam (TNHC_Fish_CM at austin.utexas.edu) and I are both happy to answer questions and discuss this further. We?re still both very happy with the new system, and continue hoping one day we can convert the whole collection to this shelving method. He and his crew of volunteers and students have since done more testing of aspects of the system, and implemented some related experiments, all interesting and promising. I?ll also point out that Rob Robbins et al in the Fish Collection at University of Florida converted that collection to a similar space-efficient system that shares some of the same features as ours, and, with their move, they also were able to barcode everything to add additional power and efficiency. Dean [Fishes of Texas]Dean A. Hendrickson (pronunciation), Ph.D. (he/him/his) Curator of Ichthyology, Biodiversity Center, University of Texas, Texas Natural History Collections,10100 Burnet Rd., PRC176/R4000 Austin, Texas 78758 USA +1-512-656-9504 (cel.); Orcid / lab / collection / zoom From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of John E Simmons Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 12:19 PM To: Hawkins, Rebecca K. > Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Minimum viable mammal specimen Thank you, Rebecca Hawkins, for bringing up this problem that we, the natural history collections community need to discuss. I sympathize with the problem of crowded collections. I don?t know of a heavily used natural history collection anywhere that does not have this problem. However, I don?t think selecting a few essential parts of a specimen is a good idea. As several responses have already pointed out, there are research uses for all parts of a specimen, and we keep finding new uses for all parts of a specimen. The history of use of natural history collections tells us very clearly that there is an unending variety of ways to use specimens, particularly as advances in technology enable us to look at specimens in entirely new ways. Which brings us to a collecting conundrum?we should be making collections for future research, not just present research, but what will future researchers need? We don?t know. What we do know is that the large amount of literature on uses of natural history collections, taken all together, makes a strong argument for keeping all parts of organisms rather than just traditional preparations or reduced parts of specimens. What museums should be doing is diversifying the types of preparations for specimens they are collecting now (natural history museums should be actively collecting to document the effects of climate change). Traditional study skins are still useful, but so are full skeletons, fluid-preserved specimens, and many other types of preparations. One of the problems is that modern collections reflect the traditions in the various ?-ologies,? which is why mammal collections have traditionally had mostly skins and skulls, bird collections mostly skins with a partial skull intact, amphibian, reptile, and fish collections but whole animals in fluid, insects are pinned, and so on. These traditional preparations often fail to provide the kind of specimens needed for future research. To address the very serious problem you have brought up about ?specimen footprint? (that is a very descriptive term and we should all start using it)?there are several approaches to solving the problem. To mention just a few: 1-We need new designs for collection storage furniture to make better use of space while still allowing efficient monitoring of specimens (without having to pick them up or move them). We need to re-think drawer size and shape, cabinet configurations, the use of wide shelving vs narrow shelving, making better use of compactors, the size and shape of specimens and specimen containers, and so forth. 2-We can house specimen parts separately. Consider that most skulls are not the same shape as study skins, round jars are not necessarily the best shape to hold fluid-preserved specimens, skeletons need individual containers but study skins usually do not, etc. 3-This next suggestion often results in me being called a heretic, but it is, in fact, the easiest and most cost-effective way to make better use of space that we have right now. The suggestion is that we should abandon attempts at so-called ?systematic arrangements? of collection storage arrays and instead develop collection storage arrays that are designed to better use space while providing the best storage environment for the collection (for example, bones tolerate a wider range of temperature and humidity than do skins). Particularly considering the flood of taxonomic changes resulting from molecular systematics, and the need to collect more specimens now to document climate change, our old collection storage arrays are a liability. We need to start by assessing the size and shape of specimens and containers, then consider the environmental requirements, and then develop storage arrays that are a better use of space and use the collection database to find specimen, not a faux systematic arrangement (no linear arrangement can be phylogenetic, and I have never seen a branching sequence of cabinets or shelving). Non-systematic arrangements can accommodate collection growth far more efficiently than traditional collection storage arrays. There have been a few publications addressing the problem of crowded natural history collection storage. I will list a few below, and hope that people will add those that I have missed. At the 2022 SPNHC meeting in Edinburgh there was a session on ?Managing Long-Term Sustainability in an Uncertain Future? that included several presentations directly addressing the topic of best use of storage space. Not all of the speakers published papers based on their presentations, so if you are interested, check the abstracts from the meeting. One last thing?before anyone rejects the idea of non-systematic arrangements for natural history collections, please take time to read the paper below by Cohen et al. listed below and look carefully at the amount of space they saved. Thanks again to Rebecca for bringing up this very important topic for discussion. --John Callomon, P. 2019. An improved design for the storage of fluid-preserved specimens in small to medium-sized containers. SPNHC Connection 33(2):28-32. Cohen, A. E., D. A. Hendrickson, and M. J. Casarez. 2019. An alternative shelving arrangement for natural history collection objects to optimize space and task efficiency. Collection Storage 33(1):55-72. McAlpine, D. F., and F. W. Schueler. 2018. Herpetology meets botany: using herbarium methods to archive dried skins of frogs and snakes. Herpetological Review 49(2):236-238. Simmons, J. E. 2013. Application of preventive conservation to solve the coming crisis in collections management. Collection Forum 27(1-2):89-101. Simmons, J. E. and Y. Mu?oz-Saba. 2003. The theoretical bases of collections management. Collection Forum 18(1-2):38-49. John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica and Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 9:43?AM Hawkins, Rebecca K. > wrote: Hello all, Here at the Sam Noble Museum, we have been brainstorming about mammal prep types that would minimize a specimen's footprint in the collection space while maximizing research potential, which we have dubbed the 'minimum viable specimen' in conversation. Such a concept would be useful for larger mammals like coyotes, which?in large numbers?would take a lot of time and effort to prepare and would be spatially expensive to store as stuffed skins and skeletons. With minimum viable specimens, large mammals could be collected in larger sample sizes crucial for research like characterizing population variability and change over time. Right now we are thinking that a minimum viable mammal specimen consists of a skull, skin swatch, and tissues (muscle and liver?), but would like to open this discussion to other museums as it could benefit all. Thanks! Rebecca Hawkins (she/her) Curatorial Associate Sam Noble Museum 2401 Chautauqua Ave. Norman, OK 73072 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4940 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From collectionslitclub at gmail.com Tue Feb 13 17:02:35 2024 From: collectionslitclub at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Laura_Rinc=C3=B3n?=) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:02:35 -0500 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Historic jars gasket In-Reply-To: <8ac5fa48-7b96-43e3-a8d3-fb74f29d0bfc@leibniz-lib.de> References: <8ac5fa48-7b96-43e3-a8d3-fb74f29d0bfc@leibniz-lib.de> Message-ID: Thanks everybody for your answers! They're very helpful. Rob, I hope you're doing good as well. Best, Laura On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 1:16?PM Dirk Neumann wrote: > Hi Laura, > > the 3 mm gap between the lid and the neck of the jar is not the problem, > unless the stopper itself fits nicely into the joint and the contact > surfaces / diameters of the neck-joint and the stopper fit (i.e. the > stopper would not wobble in the joint). Even then, you could use slightly > more Alsirol to fit the stopper in the slightly wider opening, because the > Alsirol - compared e.g. to Vaseline, is rather stable and would not start > flowing down. > > Silicon and other sealants like putty are hard to remove and not so easily > "reversible". The contact surface of the joint should be long enough to > make a good closure, an additional gasket is not required in my view. > > Hope this helps, > with best wishes > Dirk > > > Am 05.02.2024 um 18:57 schrieb Callomon,Paul: > > ACHTUNG/ATTENTION: Diese E-Mail stammt von einem externen Absender. / > This e-mail comes from an external sender. > > > Hi Laura, > > Those look like Whittall-Tatum jars, made here in Philadelphia. We have > them in our collection. We have successfully sealed these jars with > silicon caulk in the past, but certain of its curing products - such as > acetic acid - could affect the fluid. One material that has been used to > cut gaskets is neoprene, and butyl rubber sheet might also be fine, > especially if you thinly coat both glass faces with non-setting vacuum > grease. If you do use caulk, use very little pressure on the clamp as > without a gasket you could crack the lid through overtightening or even > temperature changes. > > Our iconic Walter the Octopus is in a large 25-gallon WT jar whose lid is > stuck on with silicon (no clamp could be found) and it's held for 23 years > so far. > > > *Paul Callomon* > > *Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates* > ------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia* > *callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Laura Rinc?n > > *Sent:* Monday, February 5, 2024 12:19 PM > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] Historic jars gasket > > > External. > Hello everybody, > > I've been reading some thread emails about sealants in historic jars, but > I can't find what the best way to close these jars is (see photos > attached). I was planning to get Alsirol, but then I realized that there is > a 3 mm. space between the rim and lid. The "best" will be a gasket, but I'm > not sure if there are proper gaskets for these jars. > > I would appreciate your recommendations or advice. > > Thanks, > > -- > > *Laura A. Rinc?n R.* | *Museum Studies professional* > > Museum Specialist > > Division of Invertebrate Zoology > > American Museum of Natural History > > Central Park West at 79th Street > > New York, NY 10024 > > https://collectionslitclub.wordpress.com/ > > > > ?I?ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget > what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel? Maya > Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing listNhcoll-l at mailman.yale.eduhttps://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > > > -- > > ****** > > > > *Dirk Neumann* > > Collection Manager, Hamburg > > > > Postal address: > > *Museum of Nature Hamburg* > Leibniz Institute for the Analysis > > of Biodiversity Change > > Dirk Neumann > > Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 > > 20146 Hamburg > +49 40 238 317 ? 628 > > *d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de * > > www.leibniz-lib.de > > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) > Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn > Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) > Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn > Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > -- *Laura A. 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 23483 bytes Desc: not available URL: From d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de Thu Feb 15 08:58:48 2024 From: d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de (Dirk Neumann) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2024 14:58:48 +0100 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Database for Anthropology Department In-Reply-To: References: <183A5CB7-4955-4CA0-B849-AD800C3C1A9A@alaska.edu> Message-ID: <56e787a4-c226-4467-80b1-f6439576bcb1@leibniz-lib.de> Hi Erin, like many other German Natural History Collections, we are using Diversity Workbench: https://www.diversityworkbench.net/dwb_main.html This is a highly modular database and designed to handle all sorts of objects, (e.g., a weevil that feeds on a lichen on a rock in the Alps, from which you store a sample in your collection). You can add stratigraphies, but also handle convolutes, from which to take several subsamples. You can add permit information to each layer, analytical data, treatments/processings - and can do the normal stuff of course as well. Maybe worth looking into. All the best Dirk Am 09.02.2024 um 10:27 schrieb Mike Rutherford: ACHTUNG/ATTENTION: Diese E-Mail stammt von einem externen Absender. / This e-mail comes from an external sender. Hi all, We use EMu which is bespoke so can be adapted to your means but has a few annoying quirks and I think is quite expensive. Depending on the size of your collections, how many users there are and your budget I can also suggest Past Perfect 5.0 https://museumsoftware.com/pp5.html . I installed, populated and used this system when at the University of the West Indies, it was mainly for the Zoology collections but we also had history, archaeology and archives on there and it was very user friendly. They've got annual support and online options too. Cheers, Mike Mike G. Rutherford Curator of Zoology & Anatomy The Hunterian University of Glasgow Glasgow G12 8QQ Scotland E-mail: mike.rutherford at glasgow.ac.uk Mobile: +44(0)7988 383 219 Twitter: @Zoology_Museum www.glasgow.ac.uk/hunterian ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Erin Cashion Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 19:56 To: Angela Linn ; Rachel Delovio Cc: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Database for Anthropology Department Hi all, I?m also interested in recommendations for catalog management platforms. My institution holds history, natural history, archaeological, and archival materials. Finding one platform that handles them all satisfactorily has been a challenge. There?s one solid vote for Arctos; is anyone else using this platform? Who is using Emu and is satisfied? Are there any other platforms we should consider? Thanks, Erin Erin B. Cashion | Curator of Natural History Ohio History Connection | 800 East 17th Ave. Columbus, Ohio 43211 614.298.2054 | ecashion at ohiohistory.org She/Her/Hers The Ohio History Connection?s mission is to spark discovery of Ohio?s stories. Embrace the present, share the past and transform the future. Support the Ohio History Connection: www.ohiohistory.org/give. [cid:part1.wHZ6YuYN.9p8xSh2s at leibniz-lib.de][cid:part2.mgcYXJ0o.fw6zp2bC at leibniz-lib.de][cid:part3.QvHCLpTn.QhEqchmb at leibniz-lib.de][cid:part4.pTdsUibN.rDazVw2n at leibniz-lib.de] From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Angela Linn Sent: Monday, February 5, 2024 7:09 PM To: Rachel Delovio Cc: Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Database for Anthropology Department You don't often get email from ajlinn at alaska.edu. Learn why this is important HI Rachel, Here at the University of Alaska Museum of the North, our ethnology & history collection (ca. 18,000 catalog records), fine arts (4,500+ records), and archaeology (~750,000+ records) collections are all successfully managed through Arctos. We were the first cultural collections in this outstandingly flexible and powerful system back in 2014 and we?ve been really happy with it. I?d be happy to talk with you about Arctos and/or to put you in direct contact with our archaeology collection manager. All the best! Angela On Feb 5, 2024, at 1:43?PM, Rachel Delovio > wrote: Hello everyone, We are looking into a new database for the Anthropology Department. We hold archaeological materials (e.g., lithics, textiles, faunal remains) as well as paleontological specimens, ethnographic artifacts, and archives. For those that curate archaeological collections, would you share what database you are currently using? Thank you! We appreciate the input. Rachel Kaleilehua Delovio Anthropology Collections Manager Nevada State Museum 600 N. Carson Street Carson City, NV 89701 (775) 687-4810 x229 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. Angela J. 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A bryozoan collection originally housed in one of those now has many specimens ?suffering? from Bynesian Decay. Delta?s small slide cabinet version, as show on the webpage Dirk indicated below, looks very interesting for smaller slide collections. Jean-Marc Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist / Director, Beaty Centre for Species Discovery Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef / Directeur, Centre Beaty pour la d?couverte des esp?ces Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature 613 364 4066 613 851-7556 cell 613 364 4027 Fax jmgagnon at nature.ca https://nature.ca/en/research-collections/science-experts/jean-marc-gagnon Adresse postale / Postal Address: Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 Canada / Canada Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:59 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur. EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender. Hi Vanessa, we are currently considering the Delta Design microslide cabinet: https://www.deltadesignsltd.com/our-products/microslide-storage-2/ With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 10:40 schrieb Vanessa Pitusi: Hi all, Here at the Troms? Museum, we are looking at new storage possibilities for our microscope slides. I have been checking online for solutions, but we have not found one that we have liked. Can anyone (especially in Scandinavia or Europe) share what kind of storage/cupboard(s) they use and where they were bought from. Thank you! Kind regards, Vanessa [cid:image001.png at 01DA5FF6.F345C380] _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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Other than wanting to move away for the mess of having so many smaller wooden cabinets all over our collections, we were also concerned with the long-term effect of acidic vapour. A bryozoan collection originally housed in one of those now has many specimens ?suffering? from Bynesian Decay. Delta?s small slide cabinet version, as show on the webpage Dirk indicated below, looks very interesting for smaller slide collections. Jean-Marc Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist / Director, Beaty Centre for Species Discovery Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef / Directeur, Centre Beaty pour la d?couverte des esp?ces Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature 613 364 4066 613 851-7556 cell 613 364 4027 Fax jmgagnon at nature.ca https://nature.ca/en/research-collections/science-experts/jean-marc-gagnon Adresse postale / Postal Address: Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 Canada / Canada Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:59 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur. EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender. Hi Vanessa, we are currently considering the Delta Design microslide cabinet: https://www.deltadesignsltd.com/our-products/microslide-storage-2/ With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 10:40 schrieb Vanessa Pitusi: Hi all, Here at the Troms? Museum, we are looking at new storage possibilities for our microscope slides. I have been checking online for solutions, but we have not found one that we have liked. Can anyone (especially in Scandinavia or Europe) share what kind of storage/cupboard(s) they use and where they were bought from. Thank you! Kind regards, Vanessa [cid:part1.seM8h0k7.YfRWDtu1 at leibniz-lib.de] _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst [https://www.nature.ca/sites/all/themes/realdecoy/images/splash/splash-logo.jpg] Saving the World with Evidence, Knowledge and Inspiration. (click to learn more) Sauver le monde avec des preuves, des connaissances et de l'inspiration. (cliquez pour en savoir plus) cmnEmailFooterDefault. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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Cheers, Jean-Marc From: Dirk Neumann Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 10:36 AM To: Jean-Marc Gagnon ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Hi Jean-Marc, ... if I am not wrong, it can hold up to 56K slides (depending on the size of the slides) ... With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 16:19 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon: Vanessa, After seeing the large, two-door Delta Slide Cabinet in use at the Denver Museum of Nature & Science in 2017, we obtained one in 2018-19 and we are very satisfied with it. It can house in the vicinity of 40K regular slides and allows for great access. We used a lot of Eberbach single and quad cabinets (not all slides have been transferred into the Delta cabinet yet). Other than wanting to move away for the mess of having so many smaller wooden cabinets all over our collections, we were also concerned with the long-term effect of acidic vapour. A bryozoan collection originally housed in one of those now has many specimens ?suffering? from Bynesian Decay. Delta?s small slide cabinet version, as show on the webpage Dirk indicated below, looks very interesting for smaller slide collections. Jean-Marc Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist / Director, Beaty Centre for Species Discovery Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef / Directeur, Centre Beaty pour la d?couverte des esp?ces Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature 613 364 4066 613 851-7556 cell 613 364 4027 Fax jmgagnon at nature.ca https://nature.ca/en/research-collections/science-experts/jean-marc-gagnon Adresse postale / Postal Address: Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 Canada / Canada Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:59 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur. EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender. Hi Vanessa, we are currently considering the Delta Design microslide cabinet: https://www.deltadesignsltd.com/our-products/microslide-storage-2/ With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 10:40 schrieb Vanessa Pitusi: Hi all, Here at the Troms? Museum, we are looking at new storage possibilities for our microscope slides. I have been checking online for solutions, but we have not found one that we have liked. Can anyone (especially in Scandinavia or Europe) share what kind of storage/cupboard(s) they use and where they were bought from. Thank you! Kind regards, Vanessa [cid:image001.png at 01DA5FFC.145764C0] _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst [https://www.nature.ca/sites/all/themes/realdecoy/images/splash/splash-logo.jpg] Saving the World with Evidence, Knowledge and Inspiration. (click to learn more) Sauver le monde avec des preuves, des connaissances et de l'inspiration. (cliquez pour en savoir plus) cmnEmailFooterDefault. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 23483 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From sagebiel at austin.utexas.edu Thu Feb 15 11:00:17 2024 From: sagebiel at austin.utexas.edu (Sagebiel, J. Chris) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2024 16:00:17 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage In-Reply-To: References: <36067d91-154e-443e-a667-4eb48ebbc7e7@leibniz-lib.de> <0762776b-2966-4ae3-bfed-5ecda73b715d@leibniz-lib.de> Message-ID: Are these cabinets useful for odd-sized slides? I have a decent size collection of histological slides that are often wider than standard microscope slides. I cannot tell from the website photos whether large slides can be fit into these trays - do the tabs on the trays fold down or can they be removed? Thanks! J. Chris Sagebiel, collections manager Texas Vertebrate Paleontology Collections From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Jean-Marc Gagnon Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:44 AM To: Dirk Neumann ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Dirk, I meant to check; thanks for the prompt. The version we have has 604 trays, each holding 72 regular microscope slides, for a total of 43 488 slides. I know that this tray version was an improvement from the previous, so they may have found a way to increase the number of slides stored per tray and per cabinets. Cheers, Jean-Marc From: Dirk Neumann > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 10:36 AM To: Jean-Marc Gagnon >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Hi Jean-Marc, ... if I am not wrong, it can hold up to 56K slides (depending on the size of the slides) ... With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 16:19 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon: Vanessa, After seeing the large, two-door Delta Slide Cabinet in use at the Denver Museum of Nature & Science in 2017, we obtained one in 2018-19 and we are very satisfied with it. It can house in the vicinity of 40K regular slides and allows for great access. We used a lot of Eberbach single and quad cabinets (not all slides have been transferred into the Delta cabinet yet). Other than wanting to move away for the mess of having so many smaller wooden cabinets all over our collections, we were also concerned with the long-term effect of acidic vapour. A bryozoan collection originally housed in one of those now has many specimens "suffering" from Bynesian Decay. Delta's small slide cabinet version, as show on the webpage Dirk indicated below, looks very interesting for smaller slide collections. Jean-Marc Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist / Director, Beaty Centre for Species Discovery Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef / Directeur, Centre Beaty pour la d?couverte des esp?ces Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature 613 364 4066 613 851-7556 cell 613 364 4027 Fax jmgagnon at nature.ca https://nature.ca/en/research-collections/science-experts/jean-marc-gagnon Adresse postale / Postal Address: Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 Canada / Canada Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:59 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur. EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender. Hi Vanessa, we are currently considering the Delta Design microslide cabinet: https://www.deltadesignsltd.com/our-products/microslide-storage-2/ With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 10:40 schrieb Vanessa Pitusi: Hi all, Here at the Troms? Museum, we are looking at new storage possibilities for our microscope slides. I have been checking online for solutions, but we have not found one that we have liked. Can anyone (especially in Scandinavia or Europe) share what kind of storage/cupboard(s) they use and where they were bought from. Thank you! Kind regards, Vanessa [cid:image002.png at 01DA5FF5.C6753FD0] _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 - 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst [https://www.nature.ca/sites/all/themes/realdecoy/images/splash/splash-logo.jpg] Saving the World with Evidence, Knowledge and Inspiration. (click to learn more) Sauver le monde avec des preuves, des connaissances et de l'inspiration. (cliquez pour en savoir plus) cmnEmailFooterDefault. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 - 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 20066 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From JMGAGNON at nature.ca Thu Feb 15 11:10:57 2024 From: JMGAGNON at nature.ca (Jean-Marc Gagnon) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2024 16:10:57 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage In-Reply-To: References: <36067d91-154e-443e-a667-4eb48ebbc7e7@leibniz-lib.de> <0762776b-2966-4ae3-bfed-5ecda73b715d@leibniz-lib.de> Message-ID: Chris, I would suggest contacting Delta to find out what they can do. I suspect they can adjust their cutters to different sizes, but I am not certain. Jean-Marc From: Sagebiel, J. Chris Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:00 AM To: Jean-Marc Gagnon ; Dirk Neumann ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Are these cabinets useful for odd-sized slides? I have a decent size collection of histological slides that are often wider than standard microscope slides. I cannot tell from the website photos whether large slides can be fit into these trays - do the tabs on the trays fold down or can they be removed? Thanks! J. Chris Sagebiel, collections manager Texas Vertebrate Paleontology Collections From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Jean-Marc Gagnon Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:44 AM To: Dirk Neumann >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Dirk, I meant to check; thanks for the prompt. The version we have has 604 trays, each holding 72 regular microscope slides, for a total of 43 488 slides. I know that this tray version was an improvement from the previous, so they may have found a way to increase the number of slides stored per tray and per cabinets. Cheers, Jean-Marc From: Dirk Neumann > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 10:36 AM To: Jean-Marc Gagnon >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Hi Jean-Marc, ... if I am not wrong, it can hold up to 56K slides (depending on the size of the slides) ... With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 16:19 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon: Vanessa, After seeing the large, two-door Delta Slide Cabinet in use at the Denver Museum of Nature & Science in 2017, we obtained one in 2018-19 and we are very satisfied with it. It can house in the vicinity of 40K regular slides and allows for great access. We used a lot of Eberbach single and quad cabinets (not all slides have been transferred into the Delta cabinet yet). Other than wanting to move away for the mess of having so many smaller wooden cabinets all over our collections, we were also concerned with the long-term effect of acidic vapour. A bryozoan collection originally housed in one of those now has many specimens "suffering" from Bynesian Decay. Delta's small slide cabinet version, as show on the webpage Dirk indicated below, looks very interesting for smaller slide collections. Jean-Marc Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist / Director, Beaty Centre for Species Discovery Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef / Directeur, Centre Beaty pour la d?couverte des esp?ces Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature 613 364 4066 613 851-7556 cell 613 364 4027 Fax jmgagnon at nature.ca https://nature.ca/en/research-collections/science-experts/jean-marc-gagnon Adresse postale / Postal Address: Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 Canada / Canada Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:59 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur. EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender. Hi Vanessa, we are currently considering the Delta Design microslide cabinet: https://www.deltadesignsltd.com/our-products/microslide-storage-2/ With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 10:40 schrieb Vanessa Pitusi: Hi all, Here at the Troms? Museum, we are looking at new storage possibilities for our microscope slides. I have been checking online for solutions, but we have not found one that we have liked. Can anyone (especially in Scandinavia or Europe) share what kind of storage/cupboard(s) they use and where they were bought from. Thank you! Kind regards, Vanessa [cid:image001.png at 01DA5FFF.C85B8070] _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 - 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst [https://www.nature.ca/sites/all/themes/realdecoy/images/splash/splash-logo.jpg] Saving the World with Evidence, Knowledge and Inspiration. (click to learn more) Sauver le monde avec des preuves, des connaissances et de l'inspiration. (cliquez pour en savoir plus) cmnEmailFooterDefault. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 - 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20066 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de Thu Feb 15 11:17:44 2024 From: d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de (Dirk Neumann) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2024 17:17:44 +0100 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage In-Reply-To: References: <36067d91-154e-443e-a667-4eb48ebbc7e7@leibniz-lib.de> <0762776b-2966-4ae3-bfed-5ecda73b715d@leibniz-lib.de> Message-ID: ... yes, you can adjust the dividers easily; the coating is strong enough and would not flake off if adjusted [cid:part1.aI0RiqsO.ueEi5WId at leibniz-lib.de] [cid:part2.mzCkpfxE.QB4Nu4ze at leibniz-lib.de] Am 15.02.2024 um 17:10 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon: Chris, I would suggest contacting Delta to find out what they can do. I suspect they can adjust their cutters to different sizes, but I am not certain. Jean-Marc From: Sagebiel, J. Chris Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:00 AM To: Jean-Marc Gagnon ; Dirk Neumann ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Are these cabinets useful for odd-sized slides? I have a decent size collection of histological slides that are often wider than standard microscope slides. I cannot tell from the website photos whether large slides can be fit into these trays ? do the tabs on the trays fold down or can they be removed? Thanks! J. Chris Sagebiel, collections manager Texas Vertebrate Paleontology Collections From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Jean-Marc Gagnon Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:44 AM To: Dirk Neumann >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Dirk, I meant to check; thanks for the prompt. The version we have has 604 trays, each holding 72 regular microscope slides, for a total of 43 488 slides. I know that this tray version was an improvement from the previous, so they may have found a way to increase the number of slides stored per tray and per cabinets. Cheers, Jean-Marc From: Dirk Neumann > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 10:36 AM To: Jean-Marc Gagnon >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Hi Jean-Marc, ... if I am not wrong, it can hold up to 56K slides (depending on the size of the slides) ... With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 16:19 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon: Vanessa, After seeing the large, two-door Delta Slide Cabinet in use at the Denver Museum of Nature & Science in 2017, we obtained one in 2018-19 and we are very satisfied with it. It can house in the vicinity of 40K regular slides and allows for great access. We used a lot of Eberbach single and quad cabinets (not all slides have been transferred into the Delta cabinet yet). Other than wanting to move away for the mess of having so many smaller wooden cabinets all over our collections, we were also concerned with the long-term effect of acidic vapour. A bryozoan collection originally housed in one of those now has many specimens ?suffering? from Bynesian Decay. Delta?s small slide cabinet version, as show on the webpage Dirk indicated below, looks very interesting for smaller slide collections. Jean-Marc Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist / Director, Beaty Centre for Species Discovery Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef / Directeur, Centre Beaty pour la d?couverte des esp?ces Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature 613 364 4066 613 851-7556 cell 613 364 4027 Fax jmgagnon at nature.ca https://nature.ca/en/research-collections/science-experts/jean-marc-gagnon Adresse postale / Postal Address: Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 Canada / Canada Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:59 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur. EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender. Hi Vanessa, we are currently considering the Delta Design microslide cabinet: https://www.deltadesignsltd.com/our-products/microslide-storage-2/ With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 10:40 schrieb Vanessa Pitusi: Hi all, Here at the Troms? Museum, we are looking at new storage possibilities for our microscope slides. I have been checking online for solutions, but we have not found one that we have liked. Can anyone (especially in Scandinavia or Europe) share what kind of storage/cupboard(s) they use and where they were bought from. Thank you! Kind regards, Vanessa [cid:part3.lLAEageo.IFDsK205 at leibniz-lib.de] _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst [https://www.nature.ca/sites/all/themes/realdecoy/images/splash/splash-logo.jpg] Saving the World with Evidence, Knowledge and Inspiration. (click to learn more) Sauver le monde avec des preuves, des connaissances et de l'inspiration. (cliquez pour en savoir plus) cmnEmailFooterDefault. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20066 bytes Desc: not available URL: From eric.lazo-wasem at yale.edu Thu Feb 15 11:24:15 2024 From: eric.lazo-wasem at yale.edu (Lazo-Wasem, Eric) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2024 16:24:15 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage In-Reply-To: References: <36067d91-154e-443e-a667-4eb48ebbc7e7@leibniz-lib.de> <0762776b-2966-4ae3-bfed-5ecda73b715d@leibniz-lib.de> Message-ID: Here we use two sizes that we are very please with, Manufactured by Delta Designs. We have 27 single door (lockable) cubes that each have 80 trays for a total 1200 slide capacity; these were a standard design suggested by Delta. Most of these are sitting on three tiers of pallet racking; should anyone want a picture let me know. We also had more or less customized "student" cabinets that have 25 trays for a total capacity of 500 slides. These are ideal for temporary storage of slides being used or made by students, visitors, etc. and are easy to move to different workstations. Eric A. Lazo-Wasem, Senior Collections Manager Division of Invertebrate Zoology Peabody Museum of Natural History Yale University 170 Whitney Avenue New Haven, CT 06520 (203) 432-3784 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Jean-Marc Gagnon Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:10 AM To: Sagebiel, J. Chris ; Dirk Neumann ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Chris, I would suggest contacting Delta to find out what they can do. I suspect they can adjust their cutters to different sizes, but I am not certain. Jean-Marc From: Sagebiel, J. Chris Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:00 AM To: Jean-Marc Gagnon ; Dirk Neumann ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Are these cabinets useful for odd-sized slides? I have a decent size collection of histological slides that are often wider than standard microscope slides. I cannot tell from the website photos whether large slides can be fit into these trays ? do the tabs on the trays fold down or can they be removed? Thanks! J. Chris Sagebiel, collections manager Texas Vertebrate Paleontology Collections From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Jean-Marc Gagnon Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:44 AM To: Dirk Neumann >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Dirk, I meant to check; thanks for the prompt. The version we have has 604 trays, each holding 72 regular microscope slides, for a total of 43 488 slides. I know that this tray version was an improvement from the previous, so they may have found a way to increase the number of slides stored per tray and per cabinets. Cheers, Jean-Marc From: Dirk Neumann > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 10:36 AM To: Jean-Marc Gagnon >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Hi Jean-Marc, ... if I am not wrong, it can hold up to 56K slides (depending on the size of the slides) ... With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 16:19 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon: Vanessa, After seeing the large, two-door Delta Slide Cabinet in use at the Denver Museum of Nature & Science in 2017, we obtained one in 2018-19 and we are very satisfied with it. It can house in the vicinity of 40K regular slides and allows for great access. We used a lot of Eberbach single and quad cabinets (not all slides have been transferred into the Delta cabinet yet). Other than wanting to move away for the mess of having so many smaller wooden cabinets all over our collections, we were also concerned with the long-term effect of acidic vapour. A bryozoan collection originally housed in one of those now has many specimens ?suffering? from Bynesian Decay. Delta?s small slide cabinet version, as show on the webpage Dirk indicated below, looks very interesting for smaller slide collections. Jean-Marc Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist / Director, Beaty Centre for Species Discovery Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef / Directeur, Centre Beaty pour la d?couverte des esp?ces Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature 613 364 4066 613 851-7556 cell 613 364 4027 Fax jmgagnon at nature.ca https://nature.ca/en/research-collections/science-experts/jean-marc-gagnon Adresse postale / Postal Address: Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 Canada / Canada Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:59 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur. EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender. Hi Vanessa, we are currently considering the Delta Design microslide cabinet: https://www.deltadesignsltd.com/our-products/microslide-storage-2/ With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 10:40 schrieb Vanessa Pitusi: Hi all, Here at the Troms? Museum, we are looking at new storage possibilities for our microscope slides. I have been checking online for solutions, but we have not found one that we have liked. 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20066 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From meierga at miamioh.edu Thu Feb 15 11:25:40 2024 From: meierga at miamioh.edu (Meier, Gretchen) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2024 11:25:40 -0500 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage In-Reply-To: References: <36067d91-154e-443e-a667-4eb48ebbc7e7@leibniz-lib.de> <0762776b-2966-4ae3-bfed-5ecda73b715d@leibniz-lib.de> Message-ID: Thank you for this discussion, now I know what to do with my errant 20,000+ slides! On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 11:24?AM Lazo-Wasem, Eric wrote: > Here we use two sizes that we are very please with, Manufactured by Delta > Designs. We have 27 single door (lockable) cubes that each have 80 trays > for a total 1200 slide capacity; these were a standard design suggested by > Delta. Most of these are sitting on three tiers of pallet racking; should > anyone want a picture let me know. > > We also had more or less customized "student" cabinets that have 25 trays > for a total capacity of 500 slides. These are ideal for temporary storage > of slides being used or made by students, visitors, etc. and are easy to > move to different workstations. > > Eric A. Lazo-Wasem, Senior Collections Manager > > Division of Invertebrate Zoology > > Peabody Museum of Natural History > > Yale University > > 170 Whitney Avenue > > New Haven, CT 06520 > > (203) 432-3784 > ------------------------------ > *From:* Nhcoll-l on behalf of > Jean-Marc Gagnon > *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:10 AM > *To:* Sagebiel, J. Chris ; Dirk Neumann < > d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu < > nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage > > > Chris, > > I would suggest contacting Delta to find out what they can do. > > I suspect they can adjust their cutters to different sizes, but I am not > certain. > > Jean-Marc > > > > *From:* Sagebiel, J. Chris > *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:00 AM > *To:* Jean-Marc Gagnon ; Dirk Neumann < > d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* RE: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage > > > > Are these cabinets useful for odd-sized slides? I have a decent size > collection of histological slides that are often wider than standard > microscope slides. I cannot tell from the website photos whether large > slides can be fit into these trays ? do the tabs on the trays fold down or > can they be removed? > > > > Thanks! > > > > J. Chris Sagebiel, collections manager > > Texas Vertebrate Paleontology Collections > > > > *From:* Nhcoll-l *On Behalf Of *Jean-Marc > Gagnon > *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:44 AM > *To:* Dirk Neumann ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage > > > > Dirk, > > I meant to check; thanks for the prompt. > > The version we have has 604 trays, each holding 72 regular microscope > slides, for a total of 43 488 slides. > > I know that this tray version was an improvement from the previous, so > they may have found a way to increase the number of slides stored per tray > and per cabinets. > > Cheers, > > Jean-Marc > > > > *From:* Dirk Neumann > *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2024 10:36 AM > *To:* Jean-Marc Gagnon ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage > > > > Hi Jean-Marc, > > > > ... if I am not wrong, it can hold up to 56K slides (depending on the size > of the slides) ... > > > > With best wishes > > Dirk > > > > > > Am 15.02.2024 um 16:19 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon: > > Vanessa, > > After seeing the large, two-door Delta Slide Cabinet in use at the Denver > Museum of Nature & Science in 2017, we obtained one in 2018-19 and we are > very satisfied with it. It can house in the vicinity of 40K regular slides > and allows for great access. > > We used a lot of Eberbach single and quad cabinets (not all slides have > been transferred into the Delta cabinet yet). Other than wanting to move > away for the mess of having so many smaller wooden cabinets all over our > collections, we were also concerned with the long-term effect of acidic > vapour. A bryozoan collection originally housed in one of those now has > many specimens ?suffering? from Bynesian Decay. > > Delta?s small slide cabinet version, as show on the webpage Dirk indicated > below, looks very interesting for smaller slide collections. > > Jean-Marc > > > > *Jean-Marc Gagnon*, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) > > Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist / Director, Beaty > Centre for Species Discovery > > Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef / > Directeur, Centre Beaty pour la d?couverte des esp?ces > > *Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature* > > > > 613 364 4066 > > 613 851-7556 cell > > 613 364 4027 Fax > > jmgagnon at nature.ca > > https://nature.ca/en/research-collections/science-experts/jean-marc-gagnon > > > > *Adresse postale / Postal Address:* > > Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature > > P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D > > Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 > > Canada / Canada > > > > *Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : * > > 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 > > > > > > *From:* Nhcoll-l > *On Behalf Of *Dirk Neumann > *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:59 AM > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage > > > > COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que > vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur. > > EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the > sender. > > Hi Vanessa, > > > > we are currently considering the Delta Design microslide cabinet: > https://www.deltadesignsltd.com/our-products/microslide-storage-2/ > > > > With best wishes > > Dirk > > > > Am 15.02.2024 um 10:40 schrieb Vanessa Pitusi: > > Hi all, > > > > Here at the Troms? Museum, we are looking at new storage possibilities for > our microscope slides. I have been checking online for solutions, but we > have not found one that we have liked. Can anyone (especially in > Scandinavia or Europe) share what kind of storage/cupboard(s) they use and > where they were bought from. > > > > Thank you! > > > > Kind regards, > > Vanessa > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nhcoll-l mailing list > > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > > > > -- > > ****** > > > > *Dirk Neumann* > > Collection Manager, Hamburg > > > > Postal address: > > *Museum of Nature Hamburg* > Leibniz Institute for the Analysis > > of Biodiversity Change > > Dirk Neumann > > Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 > > 20146 Hamburg > +49 40 238 317 ? 628 > > d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de > > www.leibniz-lib.de > > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) > Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn > Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst > > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) > Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn > Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst > > > > > *Saving the World with Evidence, Knowledge and Inspiration.* *(click to > learn more)* > > > *Sauver le monde avec des preuves, des connaissances et de l'inspiration.* *(cliquez > pour en savoir plus)* > > > cmnEmailFooterDefault. > > > > -- > > ****** > > > > *Dirk Neumann* > > Collection Manager, Hamburg > > > > Postal address: > > *Museum of Nature Hamburg* > Leibniz Institute for the Analysis > > of Biodiversity Change > > Dirk Neumann > > Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 > > 20146 Hamburg > +49 40 238 317 ? 628 > > *d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de * > > www.leibniz-lib.de > > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) > Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn > Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst > > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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I've been using a label maker with adhesive labels which hold up great. I would also love it if they could design the trays to be slightly stackable - or at least not as precarious as they are now. You definitely can not transport two trays on top of eachother. Christopher C. Grinter Collection Manager of Entomology Secretary, The Lepidopterists? Society Subject Editor: Lepidoptera, The Pacific Coast Entomological Society California Academy of Sciences 55 Music Concourse Dr San Francisco, CA 94118 T 415.379.5320 We regenerate the natural world through science, learning, and collaboration. Learn more at calacademy.org On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 8:27?AM Meier, Gretchen wrote: > Thank you for this discussion, now I know what to do with my errant > 20,000+ slides! > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 11:24?AM Lazo-Wasem, Eric < > eric.lazo-wasem at yale.edu> wrote: > >> Here we use two sizes that we are very please with, Manufactured by Delta >> Designs. We have 27 single door (lockable) cubes that each have 80 trays >> for a total 1200 slide capacity; these were a standard design suggested by >> Delta. Most of these are sitting on three tiers of pallet racking; should >> anyone want a picture let me know. >> >> We also had more or less customized "student" cabinets that have 25 >> trays for a total capacity of 500 slides. These are ideal for temporary >> storage of slides being used or made by students, visitors, etc. and are >> easy to move to different workstations. >> >> Eric A. Lazo-Wasem, Senior Collections Manager >> >> Division of Invertebrate Zoology >> >> Peabody Museum of Natural History >> >> Yale University >> >> 170 Whitney Avenue >> >> New Haven, CT 06520 >> >> (203) 432-3784 >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Nhcoll-l on behalf of >> Jean-Marc Gagnon >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:10 AM >> *To:* Sagebiel, J. Chris ; Dirk Neumann < >> d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu < >> nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage >> >> >> Chris, >> >> I would suggest contacting Delta to find out what they can do. >> >> I suspect they can adjust their cutters to different sizes, but I am not >> certain. >> >> Jean-Marc >> >> >> >> *From:* Sagebiel, J. Chris >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:00 AM >> *To:* Jean-Marc Gagnon ; Dirk Neumann < >> d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> *Subject:* RE: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage >> >> >> >> Are these cabinets useful for odd-sized slides? I have a decent size >> collection of histological slides that are often wider than standard >> microscope slides. I cannot tell from the website photos whether large >> slides can be fit into these trays ? do the tabs on the trays fold down or >> can they be removed? >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> J. Chris Sagebiel, collections manager >> >> Texas Vertebrate Paleontology Collections >> >> >> >> *From:* Nhcoll-l *On Behalf Of *Jean-Marc >> Gagnon >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:44 AM >> *To:* Dirk Neumann ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage >> >> >> >> Dirk, >> >> I meant to check; thanks for the prompt. >> >> The version we have has 604 trays, each holding 72 regular microscope >> slides, for a total of 43 488 slides. >> >> I know that this tray version was an improvement from the previous, so >> they may have found a way to increase the number of slides stored per tray >> and per cabinets. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jean-Marc >> >> >> >> *From:* Dirk Neumann >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2024 10:36 AM >> *To:* Jean-Marc Gagnon ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage >> >> >> >> Hi Jean-Marc, >> >> >> >> ... if I am not wrong, it can hold up to 56K slides (depending on the >> size of the slides) ... >> >> >> >> With best wishes >> >> Dirk >> >> >> >> >> >> Am 15.02.2024 um 16:19 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon: >> >> Vanessa, >> >> After seeing the large, two-door Delta Slide Cabinet in use at the Denver >> Museum of Nature & Science in 2017, we obtained one in 2018-19 and we are >> very satisfied with it. It can house in the vicinity of 40K regular slides >> and allows for great access. >> >> We used a lot of Eberbach single and quad cabinets (not all slides have >> been transferred into the Delta cabinet yet). Other than wanting to move >> away for the mess of having so many smaller wooden cabinets all over our >> collections, we were also concerned with the long-term effect of acidic >> vapour. A bryozoan collection originally housed in one of those now has >> many specimens ?suffering? from Bynesian Decay. >> >> Delta?s small slide cabinet version, as show on the webpage Dirk >> indicated below, looks very interesting for smaller slide collections. >> >> Jean-Marc >> >> >> >> *Jean-Marc Gagnon*, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) >> >> Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist / Director, Beaty >> Centre for Species Discovery >> >> Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef / >> Directeur, Centre Beaty pour la d?couverte des esp?ces >> >> *Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature* >> >> >> >> 613 364 4066 >> >> 613 851-7556 cell >> >> 613 364 4027 Fax >> >> jmgagnon at nature.ca >> >> https://nature.ca/en/research-collections/science-experts/jean-marc-gagnon >> >> >> >> >> *Adresse postale / Postal Address:* >> >> Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature >> >> P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D >> >> Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 >> >> Canada / Canada >> >> >> >> *Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : * >> >> 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Nhcoll-l >> *On Behalf Of *Dirk Neumann >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:59 AM >> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> *Subject:* [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage >> >> >> >> COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que >> vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur. >> >> EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the >> sender. >> >> Hi Vanessa, >> >> >> >> we are currently considering the Delta Design microslide cabinet: >> https://www.deltadesignsltd.com/our-products/microslide-storage-2/ >> >> >> >> >> With best wishes >> >> Dirk >> >> >> >> Am 15.02.2024 um 10:40 schrieb Vanessa Pitusi: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> Here at the Troms? Museum, we are looking at new storage possibilities >> for our microscope slides. I have been checking online for solutions, but >> we have not found one that we have liked. Can anyone (especially in >> Scandinavia or Europe) share what kind of storage/cupboard(s) they use and >> where they were bought from. >> >> >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Vanessa >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Nhcoll-l mailing list >> >> Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> >> https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of >> >> Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose >> >> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of >> >> natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to >> >> society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. >> >> Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ****** >> >> >> >> *Dirk Neumann* >> >> Collection Manager, Hamburg >> >> >> >> Postal address: >> >> *Museum of Nature Hamburg* >> Leibniz Institute for the Analysis >> >> of Biodiversity Change >> >> Dirk Neumann >> >> Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 >> >> 20146 Hamburg >> +49 40 238 317 ? 628 >> >> d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de >> >> www.leibniz-lib.de >> >> >> >> -- >> Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels >> Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany >> >> Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; >> Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian >> Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) >> Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn >> Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst >> >> >> >> -- >> Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels >> Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany >> >> Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; >> Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian >> Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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Esther Esther M. Langan (she/hers) Collection Manager Division of Amphibians & Reptiles tel 301.238.1057 langane at si.edu https://naturalhistory.si.edu/research/amphibians-reptiles SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION NATIONAL MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY Facebook | Twitter | Instagram The National Museum of Natural History (NMNH) complies with all U.S. export and sanctions laws, as well as fish, wildlife and other regulations applicable to the importation and exportation of specimens and research materials. Please consider the country of origin and nature of any specimen, sample, object or material shipped to NMNH, and if applicable, ensure that it is properly licensed and otherwise compliant with U.S. law prior to shipment. From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Chris Grinter Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 1:09 PM To: Meier, Gretchen Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage External Email - Exercise Caution I will chime in and say I also love those giant Delta design slide cabinets. They custom make everything so you can get the trays to hold whatever you need. I will comment that the "label holders" they put on the front of the trays are useless - notably because they don't hold paper well, and at the scale of a massive cabinet you can't read the labels above or below a certain height. Next time I order a cabinet I would have these done away with and have a simple smooth faced tray with a central pull tab. I've been using a label maker with adhesive labels which hold up great. I would also love it if they could design the trays to be slightly stackable - or at least not as precarious as they are now. You definitely can not transport two trays on top of eachother. Christopher C. Grinter Collection Manager of Entomology Secretary, The Lepidopterists? Society Subject Editor: Lepidoptera, The Pacific Coast Entomological Society California Academy of Sciences 55 Music Concourse Dr San Francisco, CA 94118 T 415.379.5320 We regenerate the natural world through science, learning, and collaboration. Learn more at calacademy.org On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 8:27?AM Meier, Gretchen > wrote: Thank you for this discussion, now I know what to do with my errant 20,000+ slides! On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 11:24?AM Lazo-Wasem, Eric > wrote: Here we use two sizes that we are very please with, Manufactured by Delta Designs. We have 27 single door (lockable) cubes that each have 80 trays for a total 1200 slide capacity; these were a standard design suggested by Delta. Most of these are sitting on three tiers of pallet racking; should anyone want a picture let me know. We also had more or less customized "student" cabinets that have 25 trays for a total capacity of 500 slides. These are ideal for temporary storage of slides being used or made by students, visitors, etc. and are easy to move to different workstations. Eric A. Lazo-Wasem, Senior Collections Manager Division of Invertebrate Zoology Peabody Museum of Natural History Yale University 170 Whitney Avenue New Haven, CT 06520 (203) 432-3784 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Jean-Marc Gagnon > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:10 AM To: Sagebiel, J. Chris >; Dirk Neumann >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Chris, I would suggest contacting Delta to find out what they can do. I suspect they can adjust their cutters to different sizes, but I am not certain. Jean-Marc From: Sagebiel, J. Chris > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:00 AM To: Jean-Marc Gagnon >; Dirk Neumann >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Are these cabinets useful for odd-sized slides? I have a decent size collection of histological slides that are often wider than standard microscope slides. I cannot tell from the website photos whether large slides can be fit into these trays ? do the tabs on the trays fold down or can they be removed? Thanks! J. Chris Sagebiel, collections manager Texas Vertebrate Paleontology Collections From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Jean-Marc Gagnon Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:44 AM To: Dirk Neumann >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Dirk, I meant to check; thanks for the prompt. The version we have has 604 trays, each holding 72 regular microscope slides, for a total of 43 488 slides. I know that this tray version was an improvement from the previous, so they may have found a way to increase the number of slides stored per tray and per cabinets. Cheers, Jean-Marc From: Dirk Neumann > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 10:36 AM To: Jean-Marc Gagnon >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Hi Jean-Marc, ... if I am not wrong, it can hold up to 56K slides (depending on the size of the slides) ... With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 16:19 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon: Vanessa, After seeing the large, two-door Delta Slide Cabinet in use at the Denver Museum of Nature & Science in 2017, we obtained one in 2018-19 and we are very satisfied with it. It can house in the vicinity of 40K regular slides and allows for great access. We used a lot of Eberbach single and quad cabinets (not all slides have been transferred into the Delta cabinet yet). Other than wanting to move away for the mess of having so many smaller wooden cabinets all over our collections, we were also concerned with the long-term effect of acidic vapour. A bryozoan collection originally housed in one of those now has many specimens ?suffering? from Bynesian Decay. Delta?s small slide cabinet version, as show on the webpage Dirk indicated below, looks very interesting for smaller slide collections. Jean-Marc Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist / Director, Beaty Centre for Species Discovery Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef / Directeur, Centre Beaty pour la d?couverte des esp?ces Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature 613 364 4066 613 851-7556 cell 613 364 4027 Fax jmgagnon at nature.ca https://nature.ca/en/research-collections/science-experts/jean-marc-gagnon Adresse postale / Postal Address: Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 Canada / Canada Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:59 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur. EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender. Hi Vanessa, we are currently considering the Delta Design microslide cabinet: https://www.deltadesignsltd.com/our-products/microslide-storage-2/ With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 10:40 schrieb Vanessa Pitusi: Hi all, Here at the Troms? Museum, we are looking at new storage possibilities for our microscope slides. I have been checking online for solutions, but we have not found one that we have liked. Can anyone (especially in Scandinavia or Europe) share what kind of storage/cupboard(s) they use and where they were bought from. Thank you! 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20066 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From couteaufin at btinternet.com Thu Feb 15 17:49:29 2024 From: couteaufin at btinternet.com (Simon Moore) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2024 22:49:29 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage In-Reply-To: References: <36067d91-154e-443e-a667-4eb48ebbc7e7@leibniz-lib.de> <0762776b-2966-4ae3-bfed-5ecda73b715d@leibniz-lib.de> Message-ID: Unless someone comes up with another suggestion Esther and not knowing how many thousands of paraffin blocks you?re talking about, when. I was a histologist, I stored my plastic blocks in pill boxes. Plastic storage containers with about 20-30 dividers inside. With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian. www.natural-history-conservation.com > On 15 Feb 2024, at 21:38, Langan, Esther wrote: > > Ah, but what about their associated paraffin blocks? I?ve yet to find anything suitable. Anyone else have any luck? > Esther > Esther M. Langan (she/hers) > Collection Manager > Division of Amphibians & Reptiles > tel 301.238.1057 langane at si.edu > https://naturalhistory.si.edu/research/amphibians-reptiles > SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION > NATIONAL MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY > Facebook | Twitter | Instagram > The National Museum of Natural History (NMNH) complies with all U.S. export and sanctions laws, as well as fish, wildlife and other regulations applicable to the importation and exportation of specimens and research materials. Please consider the country of origin and nature of any specimen, sample, object or material shipped to NMNH, and if applicable, ensure that it is properly licensed and otherwise compliant with U.S. law prior to shipment. > From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Chris Grinter > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 1:09 PM > To: Meier, Gretchen > Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage > External Email - Exercise Caution > I will chime in and say I also love those giant Delta design slide cabinets. They custom make everything so you can get the trays to hold whatever you need. I will comment that the "label holders" they put on the front of the trays are useless - notably because they don't hold paper well, and at the scale of a massive cabinet you can't read the labels above or below a certain height. Next time I order a cabinet I would have these done away with and have a simple smooth faced tray with a central pull tab. I've been using a label maker with adhesive labels which hold up great. I would also love it if they could design the trays to be slightly stackable - or at least not as precarious as they are now. You definitely can not transport two trays on top of eachother. > Christopher C. Grinter > Collection Manager of Entomology > Secretary, The Lepidopterists? Society > Subject Editor: Lepidoptera, The Pacific Coast Entomological Society > California Academy of Sciences > 55 Music Concourse Dr > San Francisco, CA 94118 > T 415.379.5320 > We regenerate the natural world through science, learning, and collaboration. > Learn more at calacademy.org > On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 8:27?AM Meier, Gretchen wrote: > Thank you for this discussion, now I know what to do with my errant 20,000+ slides! > On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 11:24?AM Lazo-Wasem, Eric wrote: > Here we use two sizes that we are very please with, Manufactured by Delta Designs. We have 27 single door (lockable) cubes that each have 80 trays for a total 1200 slide capacity; these were a standard design suggested by Delta. Most of these are sitting on three tiers of pallet racking; should anyone want a picture let me know. > We also had more or less customized "student" cabinets that have 25 trays for a total capacity of 500 slides. These are ideal for temporary storage of slides being used or made by students, visitors, etc. and are easy to move to different workstations. > Eric A. Lazo-Wasem, Senior Collections Manager > Division of Invertebrate Zoology > Peabody Museum of Natural History > Yale University > 170 Whitney Avenue > New Haven, CT 06520 > (203) 432-3784From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Jean-Marc Gagnon > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:10 AM > To: Sagebiel, J. Chris ; Dirk Neumann ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage > Chris, > I would suggest contacting Delta to find out what they can do. > I suspect they can adjust their cutters to different sizes, but I am not certain. > Jean-Marc > From: Sagebiel, J. Chris > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:00 AM > To: Jean-Marc Gagnon ; Dirk Neumann ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage > Are these cabinets useful for odd-sized slides? I have a decent size collection of histological slides that are often wider than standard microscope slides. I cannot tell from the website photos whether large slides can be fit into these trays ? do the tabs on the trays fold down or can they be removed? > Thanks! > J. Chris Sagebiel, collections manager > Texas Vertebrate Paleontology Collections > From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Jean-Marc Gagnon > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:44 AM > To: Dirk Neumann ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage > Dirk, > I meant to check; thanks for the prompt. > The version we have has 604 trays, each holding 72 regular microscope slides, for a total of 43 488 slides. > I know that this tray version was an improvement from the previous, so they may have found a way to increase the number of slides stored per tray and per cabinets. > Cheers, > Jean-Marc > From: Dirk Neumann > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 10:36 AM > To: Jean-Marc Gagnon ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: Re: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage > Hi Jean-Marc, > ... if I am not wrong, it can hold up to 56K slides (depending on the size of the slides) ... > With best wishes > Dirk > Am 15.02.2024 um 16:19 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon: > Vanessa, > After seeing the large, two-door Delta Slide Cabinet in use at the Denver Museum of Nature & Science in 2017, we obtained one in 2018-19 and we are very satisfied with it. It can house in the vicinity of 40K regular slides and allows for great access. We used a lot of Eberbach single and quad cabinets (not all slides have been transferred into the Delta cabinet yet). Other than wanting to move away for the mess of having so many smaller wooden cabinets all over our collections, we were also concerned with the long-term effect of acidic vapour. A bryozoan collection originally housed in one of those now has many specimens ?suffering? from Bynesian Decay. > Delta?s small slide cabinet version, as show on the webpage Dirk indicated below, looks very interesting for smaller slide collections. > Jean-Marc > Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) > Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist / Director, Beaty Centre for Species Discovery > Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef / Directeur, Centre Beaty pour la d?couverte des esp?ces > Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature > 613 364 4066 > 613 851-7556 cell > 613 364 4027 Fax > jmgagnon at nature.ca > https://nature.ca/en/research-collections/science-experts/jean-marc-gagnon > Adresse postale / Postal Address: > Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature > P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D > Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 > Canada / Canada > Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : > 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 > From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:59 AM > To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage > COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur.EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender. > Hi Vanessa, > we are currently considering the Delta Design microslide cabinet: https://www.deltadesignsltd.com/our-products/microslide-storage-2/ > With best wishes > Dirk > Am 15.02.2024 um 10:40 schrieb Vanessa Pitusi: > Hi all, > Here at the Troms? Museum, we are looking at new storage possibilities for our microscope slides. I have been checking online for solutions, but we have not found one that we have liked. Can anyone (especially in Scandinavia or Europe) share what kind of storage/cupboard(s) they use and where they were bought from. > Thank you! > Kind regards, > Vanessa > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. 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From gregory.watkins-colwell at yale.edu Fri Feb 16 09:01:00 2024 From: gregory.watkins-colwell at yale.edu (Watkins-Colwell, Gregory) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 14:01:00 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Duke Petition Message-ID: Let's see if this works. Please consider signing the online petition to the administration of Duke regarding the fate of the Duke Herbarium. If anybody has a better link, please share it. https://www.change.org/p/urge-duke-university-to-reconsider-closing-their-herbarium?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_37890646_en-US%3A8&recruiter=21932976&recruited_by_id=53fb60d0-2d38-0130-9d81-3c764e048845&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf&share_bandit_exp=initial-37890646-en-US **************** Gregory J. Watkins-Colwell Sr. Collection Manager, Herpetology and Ichthyology Division of Vertebrate Zoology https://orcid.org/0000-0002-7789-9806 YALE PEABODY MUSEUM Main Office: 203-432-3791; West Campus: 203-737-7568; Fax 203-432-9277 Package shipping address: Greg Watkins-Colwell Division of Vertebrate Zoology YALE PEABODY MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY 170-210 Whitney Avenue New Haven, CT 06511 USA 203-432-3791 ****************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de Fri Feb 16 10:05:04 2024 From: d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de (Dirk Neumann) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 16:05:04 +0100 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Duke Petition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7984f11f-2a64-41c4-9981-6c50545b4412@leibniz-lib.de> Hi Greg and all, we got this one (seems to work): https://chng.it/LJhbDPGBYs Cheers, Dirk Am 16.02.2024 um 15:01 schrieb Watkins-Colwell, Gregory: Let?s see if this works. Please consider signing the online petition to the administration of Duke regarding the fate of the Duke Herbarium. If anybody has a better link, please share it. https://www.change.org/p/urge-duke-university-to-reconsider-closing-their-herbarium?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_37890646_en-US%3A8&recruiter=21932976&recruited_by_id=53fb60d0-2d38-0130-9d81-3c764e048845&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf&share_bandit_exp=initial-37890646-en-US **************** Gregory J. Watkins-Colwell Sr. Collection Manager, Herpetology and Ichthyology Division of Vertebrate Zoology https://orcid.org/0000-0002-7789-9806 YALE PEABODY MUSEUM Main Office: 203-432-3791; West Campus: 203-737-7568; Fax 203-432-9277 Package shipping address: Greg Watkins-Colwell Division of Vertebrate Zoology YALE PEABODY MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY 170?210 Whitney Avenue New Haven, CT 06511 USA 203-432-3791 ****************** _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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With all good wishes, Simon Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR > On 16 Feb 2024, at 15:05, Dirk Neumann wrote: > > Hi Greg and all, > > we got this one (seems to work): > https://chng.it/LJhbDPGBYs > > > Cheers, > Dirk > > Am 16.02.2024 um 15:01 schrieb Watkins-Colwell, Gregory: >> >> >> Let?s see if this works. Please consider signing the online petition to the administration of Duke regarding the fate of the Duke Herbarium. If anybody has a better link, please share it. >> https://www.change.org/p/urge-duke-university-to-reconsider-closing-their-herbarium?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_37890646_en-US%3A8&recruiter=21932976&recruited_by_id=53fb60d0-2d38-0130-9d81-3c764e048845&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf&share_bandit_exp=initial-37890646-en-US >> **************** >> Gregory J. Watkins-Colwell >> Sr. Collection Manager, Herpetology and Ichthyology >> Division of Vertebrate Zoology >> https://orcid.org/0000-0002-7789-9806 >> YALE PEABODY MUSEUM >> Main Office: 203-432-3791; West Campus: 203-737-7568; Fax 203-432-9277 >> Package shipping address: >> Greg Watkins-Colwell >> Division of Vertebrate Zoology >> YALE PEABODY MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY >> 170?210 Whitney Avenue >> New Haven, CT 06511 USA >> 203-432-3791 >> ****************** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nhcoll-l mailing list >> Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu >> https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of >> Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose >> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of >> natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to >> society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. >> Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. >> > > -- > **** > Dirk Neumann > Collection Manager, Hamburg > Postal address: > Museum of Nature Hamburg > Leibniz Institute for the Analysis > of Biodiversity Change > Dirk Neumann > Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 > 20146 Hamburg > +49 40 238 317 ? 628 > d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de > www.leibniz-lib.de > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) > Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn > Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) > Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn > Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. From dyanega at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 12:17:25 2024 From: dyanega at gmail.com (Douglas Yanega) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 09:17:25 -0800 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Duke Petition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I might make a suggestion: I have to confess that I'm not entirely convinced regarding the effectiveness of petitions and e-mail campaigns. Call me a cynic, but it seems too easy for the people on the receiving end to not even read the e-mails, and not even care who has signed on to the petitions. Over the last few decades, if I've noticed any pattern among the failures versus successes in getting administrative decisions like this reversed, it's that the more visible and public the outcry, the better - newspaper stories, op-eds, radio interviews, and so forth - where the story is exposed to the light of day, and an entirely different level of pressure is applied. People act differently when they know that everyone is watching. In that vein, I'd like to suggest that those of us who work in natural history collections can - in addition to the emails and petitions - also act more directly by producing a well-researched opinion piece, hitting as many "talking points" as possible, made public as quickly as possible, and made as broadly visible as possible. Consider the following, for example: The admins are thinking to move everything in the Duke Herbarium to other institutions. Do we know whether there are enough other institutions*capable of assimilating* that much material? How close to capacity are the other regional herbaria? How well-staffed and well-funded are those other herbaria? In other words, if the premise that the Duke admins are acting from is that they can find "good foster homes" for all these specimens, where they will be taken care of better than they could at Duke, can we provide them with evidence that this is NOT a viable plan, and that the other places the specimens could be sent *don't* have enough room, *don't* have enough staff, and *don't* have enough funding to take care of the material? I would suspect, myself, that even in the *best* case scenario, it's likely to be decades before that many fostered specimens could possibly all be integrated into their new homes, and made fully accessible to the research community again. Show that their basic premise is flawed, and why, in *practical* terms that they can understand. I'm skeptical that career admins are going to find arguments about the biodiversity crisis compelling, but if we can give some stark and definitive statistics about collections, that might get their attention. Things like (1) the number of herbaria that have closed down in the last 50 years compared to the number that have been newly-created (2) trends in the number of grants going to herbaria over time, and the adjusted total dollar amounts OF those grants (3) trends in staffing over time. I'm betting that those figures won't look too good, and the worse they look, the more compelling the argument becomes, to not only keep the Duke herbarium open, but to invest MORE money into the facility. If they're truly concerned about making sure those specimens are well taken care of, then the best way to accomplish that is to make their *present* home the best home they could have. At the risk of a clumsy analogy, if parents are on the verge of divorce, the best thing for their kids is not to ship them all off to foster care, but to *fix the marriage*. Bear in mind also that the more compelling the evidence that herbaria are struggling, and the situation getting worse, then by making the information very public, we can draw more attention to the general problem that we are ALL facing - and I doubt that it's going to reflect well on the Duke admins if they're perceived as kicking someone when they're down. Bad PR is compelling in its own special way. I suspect that I am, in large part, preaching to the proverbial choir here, but grant me my moment of ranting. All that said, I do *not* know the answers to the questions I've raised - I don't know what the relevant figures are, or how to obtain this information. Maybe there are list subscribers affiliated with SPNHC or AIBS, etc., who DO have these statistics at their fingertips, and would be willing to share them. For all I know, someone here has published a recent paper or given a talk about the state of US herbaria, and we can just cite that. Maybe someone here has a good idea of a venue and a format for composing a collective online document that a bunch of us can write interactively, and distribute widely once it's completed. Even if all that gets created is a list of "talking points", then as long as that list is shared, if any of us are interviewed, we have a resource we can turn to, and we can present a coherent and consistent message. I'm certainly not the one who can do all this, but if I can even get things *started*, I'll feel like I've done something constructive. Call me a cynic, but I'm thinking we might even need to build a playbook-style resource called "What to do in case someone threatens to shut down a collection" that we can refer to the next time this happens. And, sadly, we all KNOW it will happen again. Peace, -- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregory.watkins-colwell at yale.edu Fri Feb 16 12:50:06 2024 From: gregory.watkins-colwell at yale.edu (Watkins-Colwell, Gregory) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:50:06 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Duke Petition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doug, You could write a letter directly to the President of Duke if you like. Or contact the Duke Alumni Center or something like that. I betcha a bunch of angry alumni would get some attention. I feel that any and all communication helps, even if only slightly. It is certainly better than doing nothing, especially because we all know this sort of thing will continue to happen. Greg **************** Gregory J. Watkins-Colwell Sr. Collection Manager, Herpetology and Ichthyology Division of Vertebrate Zoology https://orcid.org/0000-0002-7789-9806 YALE PEABODY MUSEUM Main Office: 203-432-3791; West Campus: 203-737-7568; Fax 203-432-9277 Package shipping address: Greg Watkins-Colwell Division of Vertebrate Zoology YALE PEABODY MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY 170-210 Whitney Avenue New Haven, CT 06511 USA 203-432-3791 ****************** From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Douglas Yanega Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 12:17 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Duke Petition If I might make a suggestion: I have to confess that I'm not entirely convinced regarding the effectiveness of petitions and e-mail campaigns. Call me a cynic, but it seems too easy for the people on the receiving end to not even read the e-mails, and not even care who has signed on to the petitions. Over the last few decades, if I've noticed any pattern among the failures versus successes in getting administrative decisions like this reversed, it's that the more visible and public the outcry, the better - newspaper stories, op-eds, radio interviews, and so forth - where the story is exposed to the light of day, and an entirely different level of pressure is applied. People act differently when they know that everyone is watching. In that vein, I'd like to suggest that those of us who work in natural history collections can - in addition to the emails and petitions - also act more directly by producing a well-researched opinion piece, hitting as many "talking points" as possible, made public as quickly as possible, and made as broadly visible as possible. Consider the following, for example: The admins are thinking to move everything in the Duke Herbarium to other institutions. Do we know whether there are enough other institutions capable of assimilating that much material? How close to capacity are the other regional herbaria? How well-staffed and well-funded are those other herbaria? In other words, if the premise that the Duke admins are acting from is that they can find "good foster homes" for all these specimens, where they will be taken care of better than they could at Duke, can we provide them with evidence that this is NOT a viable plan, and that the other places the specimens could be sent don't have enough room, don't have enough staff, and don't have enough funding to take care of the material? I would suspect, myself, that even in the best case scenario, it's likely to be decades before that many fostered specimens could possibly all be integrated into their new homes, and made fully accessible to the research community again. Show that their basic premise is flawed, and why, in practical terms that they can understand. I'm skeptical that career admins are going to find arguments about the biodiversity crisis compelling, but if we can give some stark and definitive statistics about collections, that might get their attention. Things like (1) the number of herbaria that have closed down in the last 50 years compared to the number that have been newly-created (2) trends in the number of grants going to herbaria over time, and the adjusted total dollar amounts OF those grants (3) trends in staffing over time. I'm betting that those figures won't look too good, and the worse they look, the more compelling the argument becomes, to not only keep the Duke herbarium open, but to invest MORE money into the facility. If they're truly concerned about making sure those specimens are well taken care of, then the best way to accomplish that is to make their present home the best home they could have. At the risk of a clumsy analogy, if parents are on the verge of divorce, the best thing for their kids is not to ship them all off to foster care, but to fix the marriage. Bear in mind also that the more compelling the evidence that herbaria are struggling, and the situation getting worse, then by making the information very public, we can draw more attention to the general problem that we are ALL facing - and I doubt that it's going to reflect well on the Duke admins if they're perceived as kicking someone when they're down. Bad PR is compelling in its own special way. I suspect that I am, in large part, preaching to the proverbial choir here, but grant me my moment of ranting. All that said, I do not know the answers to the questions I've raised - I don't know what the relevant figures are, or how to obtain this information. Maybe there are list subscribers affiliated with SPNHC or AIBS, etc., who DO have these statistics at their fingertips, and would be willing to share them. For all I know, someone here has published a recent paper or given a talk about the state of US herbaria, and we can just cite that. Maybe someone here has a good idea of a venue and a format for composing a collective online document that a bunch of us can write interactively, and distribute widely once it's completed. Even if all that gets created is a list of "talking points", then as long as that list is shared, if any of us are interviewed, we have a resource we can turn to, and we can present a coherent and consistent message. I'm certainly not the one who can do all this, but if I can even get things started, I'll feel like I've done something constructive. Call me a cynic, but I'm thinking we might even need to build a playbook-style resource called "What to do in case someone threatens to shut down a collection" that we can refer to the next time this happens. And, sadly, we all KNOW it will happen again. Peace, -- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From shoobs.1 at osu.edu Fri Feb 16 13:00:42 2024 From: shoobs.1 at osu.edu (Shoobs, Nate) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 18:00:42 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Duke Petition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree broadly with Doug?s point here ? email campaigns and petitions can only go so far, and are unlikely to convince people who are not already in agreement. At what point to more drastic measures become justified? I was thinking personally about the idea of an academic boycott of Institutions / Departments that egregiously abdicate their responsibilities to their biological and cultural heritage collections (a form of abdicating responsibility to the public). For example ? issuing a public letter in an op-ed or journal article that the undersigned individuals will refuse to write letters of recommendation for colleagues or students applying to positions at a given institution, and refuse to participate in conferences or events at said institution unless some deal is reached. Some (including myself) might be uneasy about this kind of action and its consequences, but the message that must be sent is that administrative abandonment of natural history collections will have widespread negative repercussions. Perhaps NSF should have a clause in collections or biodiversity related grants that require that Universities legally commit to maintaining these resources when they receive federal funding for them? We already sort of have this in the ?specimen management plan? requirement, but vouchering requirements only work if the accepting collections can be expected to be maintained in perpetuity. It is one thing for small independent museum that is facing bankruptcy being forced by circumstance to shutter a collection. It is another thing entirely for an institution with an $11 Billion endowment that pulls billions more in federal research dollars each year just throwing their hands up and saying ?we don?t want to replace these existing tenured faculty lines in this well-established department?. Especially considering they refused a multi-million dollar donation drive organized by an alumnus. Actions like those recently taken by Duke?s administration constitute, effectively, abandonment of critical research infrastructure that belongs in part to the public, because it was paid for using public money and holds its collections for the benefit of the public. To add insult to injury, the justification provided by Duke is that the collections would be better cared for elsewhere. Implicit in that idea is the belief that MORE public money in the form of emergency rehousing grants, other institutions? staff curatorial time, etc, SHOULD be spent on subsidizing their *entirely voluntary* decision to abandon the infrastructure. -Nate -- [The Ohio State University] Nathaniel F. Shoobs Curator of Mollusks College of Arts & Sciences Dept. of Evolution, Ecology, and Organismal Biology Museum of Biological Diversity, 1315 Kinnear Rd, Columbus, OH 43212 614-688-1342 (Office) mbd.osu.edu From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Watkins-Colwell, Gregory Date: Friday, February 16, 2024 at 12:50?PM To: Douglas Yanega , nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Duke Petition Doug, You could write a letter directly to the President of Duke if you like. Or contact the Duke Alumni Center or something like that. I betcha a bunch of angry alumni would get some attention. I feel that any and all communication helps, Doug, You could write a letter directly to the President of Duke if you like. Or contact the Duke Alumni Center or something like that. I betcha a bunch of angry alumni would get some attention. I feel that any and all communication helps, even if only slightly. It is certainly better than doing nothing, especially because we all know this sort of thing will continue to happen. Greg **************** Gregory J. Watkins-Colwell Sr. Collection Manager, Herpetology and Ichthyology Division of Vertebrate Zoology https://orcid.org/0000-0002-7789-9806 YALE PEABODY MUSEUM Main Office: 203-432-3791; West Campus: 203-737-7568; Fax 203-432-9277 Package shipping address: Greg Watkins-Colwell Division of Vertebrate Zoology YALE PEABODY MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY 170?210 Whitney Avenue New Haven, CT 06511 USA 203-432-3791 ****************** From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Douglas Yanega Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 12:17 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Duke Petition If I might make a suggestion: I have to confess that I'm not entirely convinced regarding the effectiveness of petitions and e-mail campaigns. Call me a cynic, but it seems too easy for the people on the receiving end to not even read the e-mails, and not even care who has signed on to the petitions. Over the last few decades, if I've noticed any pattern among the failures versus successes in getting administrative decisions like this reversed, it's that the more visible and public the outcry, the better - newspaper stories, op-eds, radio interviews, and so forth - where the story is exposed to the light of day, and an entirely different level of pressure is applied. People act differently when they know that everyone is watching. In that vein, I'd like to suggest that those of us who work in natural history collections can - in addition to the emails and petitions - also act more directly by producing a well-researched opinion piece, hitting as many "talking points" as possible, made public as quickly as possible, and made as broadly visible as possible. Consider the following, for example: The admins are thinking to move everything in the Duke Herbarium to other institutions. Do we know whether there are enough other institutions capable of assimilating that much material? How close to capacity are the other regional herbaria? How well-staffed and well-funded are those other herbaria? In other words, if the premise that the Duke admins are acting from is that they can find "good foster homes" for all these specimens, where they will be taken care of better than they could at Duke, can we provide them with evidence that this is NOT a viable plan, and that the other places the specimens could be sent don't have enough room, don't have enough staff, and don't have enough funding to take care of the material? I would suspect, myself, that even in the best case scenario, it's likely to be decades before that many fostered specimens could possibly all be integrated into their new homes, and made fully accessible to the research community again. Show that their basic premise is flawed, and why, in practical terms that they can understand. I'm skeptical that career admins are going to find arguments about the biodiversity crisis compelling, but if we can give some stark and definitive statistics about collections, that might get their attention. Things like (1) the number of herbaria that have closed down in the last 50 years compared to the number that have been newly-created (2) trends in the number of grants going to herbaria over time, and the adjusted total dollar amounts OF those grants (3) trends in staffing over time. I'm betting that those figures won't look too good, and the worse they look, the more compelling the argument becomes, to not only keep the Duke herbarium open, but to invest MORE money into the facility. If they're truly concerned about making sure those specimens are well taken care of, then the best way to accomplish that is to make their present home the best home they could have. At the risk of a clumsy analogy, if parents are on the verge of divorce, the best thing for their kids is not to ship them all off to foster care, but to fix the marriage. Bear in mind also that the more compelling the evidence that herbaria are struggling, and the situation getting worse, then by making the information very public, we can draw more attention to the general problem that we are ALL facing - and I doubt that it's going to reflect well on the Duke admins if they're perceived as kicking someone when they're down. Bad PR is compelling in its own special way. I suspect that I am, in large part, preaching to the proverbial choir here, but grant me my moment of ranting. All that said, I do not know the answers to the questions I've raised - I don't know what the relevant figures are, or how to obtain this information. Maybe there are list subscribers affiliated with SPNHC or AIBS, etc., who DO have these statistics at their fingertips, and would be willing to share them. For all I know, someone here has published a recent paper or given a talk about the state of US herbaria, and we can just cite that. Maybe someone here has a good idea of a venue and a format for composing a collective online document that a bunch of us can write interactively, and distribute widely once it's completed. Even if all that gets created is a list of "talking points", then as long as that list is shared, if any of us are interviewed, we have a resource we can turn to, and we can present a coherent and consistent message. I'm certainly not the one who can do all this, but if I can even get things started, I'll feel like I've done something constructive. Call me a cynic, but I'm thinking we might even need to build a playbook-style resource called "What to do in case someone threatens to shut down a collection" that we can refer to the next time this happens. And, sadly, we all KNOW it will happen again. Peace, -- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 3608 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From abentley at ku.edu Fri Feb 16 13:14:54 2024 From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 18:14:54 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Duke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was going to say that may represent a way to make the kind of connections that Doug was mentioning. I did also just see Nate's comment but worry that such actions would hurt the very people we don't want to hurt. This is an administrative decision through and through and they should bear responsibility for this decision - not those who are involved with the collection or the research that gets performed on it. Also of note is that BCoN is in the midst of publishing an article advocating for and explaining our ideas around a formal Specimen Management Plan that would hopefully provide a funding mandate for material lodged with such collections as products of research. Look for it in BioScience soon. I will play devil's advocate for a minute by saying that if there is legitimately no one at Duke who is working on these collections any longer then maybe they would be better placed elsewhere where they could be used more effectively. This however in no way negates the valid points brought up by Doug and others of the burden such an orphan collection would put on the strained resources of those institutions that would potentially take this collection on. We all know that our community will bend over backward to save this collection - but at what cost? We as a community need to be looking at more strategic community-based solutions to this ever increasing problem. Maybe something like the Biological Collections Action Center that was included in the CHIPS and Science act could fulfill this role along with established entities like AIBS, NSCA, SPNHC, iDigBio and others. Andy A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V Andy Bentley Ichthyology Collection Manager University of Kansas Biodiversity Institute Dyche Hall 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561 USA Tel: (785) 864-3863 Fax: (785) 864-5335 Email: abentley at ku.edu ORCID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3093-1258 http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Watkins-Colwell, Gregory Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 12:00 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Duke I just saw on facebook that the Duke Chronicle has picked up the story and even shared the petition. Greg **************** Gregory J. Watkins-Colwell Sr. Collection Manager, Herpetology and Ichthyology Division of Vertebrate Zoology https://orcid.org/0000-0002-7789-9806 YALE PEABODY MUSEUM Main Office: 203-432-3791; West Campus: 203-737-7568; Fax 203-432-9277 Package shipping address: Greg Watkins-Colwell Division of Vertebrate Zoology YALE PEABODY MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY 170-210 Whitney Avenue New Haven, CT 06511 USA 203-432-3791 ****************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdpolly at indiana.edu Fri Feb 16 13:28:16 2024 From: pdpolly at indiana.edu (Polly, P. David) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 18:28:16 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Duke Petition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I completely agree with Doug's points for practical suggestions for how to make a case to university administrators whose priorities lie elsewhere. Another point I think is useful in regard to bad PR is that the bad PR is permanent, thanks to taxonomic and museum practice. My favorite example is the Princeton Vertebrate Paleontology Collection, which includes a huge number of type specimens from the 19th and 20th centuries. Princeton discarded their collection, which was then transferred to Yale. The Princeton numbers are still used in order to match the numbers used in publications. I guess it must have been 40 years ago when the transfer took place, but every year one sees social media posts from students new to the field, "Why didn't anyone tell me that the Princeton Collection is at Yale??" And so Princeton's irresponsibility is learned over and over and over by every new generation of researchers. On Feb 16, 2024, at 12:17?PM, Douglas Yanega wrote: If I might make a suggestion: I have to confess that I'm not entirely convinced regarding the effectiveness of petitions and e-mail campaigns. Call me a cynic, but it seems too easy for the people on the receiving end to not even read the e-mails, and not even care who has signed on to the petitions. Over the last few decades, if I've noticed any pattern among the failures versus successes in getting administrative decisions like this reversed, it's that the more visible and public the outcry, the better - newspaper stories, op-eds, radio interviews, and so forth - where the story is exposed to the light of day, and an entirely different level of pressure is applied. People act differently when they know that everyone is watching. In that vein, I'd like to suggest that those of us who work in natural history collections can - in addition to the emails and petitions - also act more directly by producing a well-researched opinion piece, hitting as many "talking points" as possible, made public as quickly as possible, and made as broadly visible as possible. Consider the following, for example: The admins are thinking to move everything in the Duke Herbarium to other institutions. Do we know whether there are enough other institutions capable of assimilating that much material? How close to capacity are the other regional herbaria? How well-staffed and well-funded are those other herbaria? In other words, if the premise that the Duke admins are acting from is that they can find "good foster homes" for all these specimens, where they will be taken care of better than they could at Duke, can we provide them with evidence that this is NOT a viable plan, and that the other places the specimens could be sent don't have enough room, don't have enough staff, and don't have enough funding to take care of the material? I would suspect, myself, that even in the best case scenario, it's likely to be decades before that many fostered specimens could possibly all be integrated into their new homes, and made fully accessible to the research community again. Show that their basic premise is flawed, and why, in practical terms that they can understand. I'm skeptical that career admins are going to find arguments about the biodiversity crisis compelling, but if we can give some stark and definitive statistics about collections, that might get their attention. Things like (1) the number of herbaria that have closed down in the last 50 years compared to the number that have been newly-created (2) trends in the number of grants going to herbaria over time, and the adjusted total dollar amounts OF those grants (3) trends in staffing over time. I'm betting that those figures won't look too good, and the worse they look, the more compelling the argument becomes, to not only keep the Duke herbarium open, but to invest MORE money into the facility. If they're truly concerned about making sure those specimens are well taken care of, then the best way to accomplish that is to make their present home the best home they could have. At the risk of a clumsy analogy, if parents are on the verge of divorce, the best thing for their kids is not to ship them all off to foster care, but to fix the marriage. Bear in mind also that the more compelling the evidence that herbaria are struggling, and the situation getting worse, then by making the information very public, we can draw more attention to the general problem that we are ALL facing - and I doubt that it's going to reflect well on the Duke admins if they're perceived as kicking someone when they're down. Bad PR is compelling in its own special way. I suspect that I am, in large part, preaching to the proverbial choir here, but grant me my moment of ranting. All that said, I do not know the answers to the questions I've raised - I don't know what the relevant figures are, or how to obtain this information. Maybe there are list subscribers affiliated with SPNHC or AIBS, etc., who DO have these statistics at their fingertips, and would be willing to share them. For all I know, someone here has published a recent paper or given a talk about the state of US herbaria, and we can just cite that. Maybe someone here has a good idea of a venue and a format for composing a collective online document that a bunch of us can write interactively, and distribute widely once it's completed. Even if all that gets created is a list of "talking points", then as long as that list is shared, if any of us are interviewed, we have a resource we can turn to, and we can present a coherent and consistent message. I'm certainly not the one who can do all this, but if I can even get things started, I'll feel like I've done something constructive. Call me a cynic, but I'm thinking we might even need to build a playbook-style resource called "What to do in case someone threatens to shut down a collection" that we can refer to the next time this happens. And, sadly, we all KNOW it will happen again. Peace, -- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. 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It is > certainly better than doing nothing, especially because we all know > this sort of thing will continue to happen. > Two points, briefly: (1) As I said, I'm not equipped to write a convincing letter to anyone, because I don't have the sorts of information I would need to present a good case. I suspect very few of us on this listserv have everything we would need to do much more than an emotional appeal, and I wouldn't wager a nickel that an emotional appeal would have any impact. (2) Which will the President of Duke find more persuasive: 1000 easily-deleted emails from irate scientists /who don't contribute money to Duke/, or ONE phone call from a member of Duke's Board of Trustees who is upset at seeing a public relations fiasco? 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Best, Peter Wimberger On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 9:17?AM Douglas Yanega wrote: > If I might make a suggestion: > > I have to confess that I'm not entirely convinced regarding the > effectiveness of petitions and e-mail campaigns. Call me a cynic, but it > seems too easy for the people on the receiving end to not even read the > e-mails, and not even care who has signed on to the petitions. > > Over the last few decades, if I've noticed any pattern among the failures > versus successes in getting administrative decisions like this reversed, > it's that the more visible and public the outcry, the better - newspaper > stories, op-eds, radio interviews, and so forth - where the story is > exposed to the light of day, and an entirely different level of pressure is > applied. People act differently when they know that everyone is watching. > > In that vein, I'd like to suggest that those of us who work in natural > history collections can - in addition to the emails and petitions - also > act more directly by producing a well-researched opinion piece, hitting as > many "talking points" as possible, made public as quickly as possible, and > made as broadly visible as possible. > > Consider the following, for example: > > The admins are thinking to move everything in the Duke Herbarium to other > institutions. Do we know whether there are enough other institutions* > capable of assimilating* that much material? How close to capacity are > the other regional herbaria? How well-staffed and well-funded are those > other herbaria? In other words, if the premise that the Duke admins are > acting from is that they can find "good foster homes" for all these > specimens, where they will be taken care of better than they could at Duke, > can we provide them with evidence that this is NOT a viable plan, and that > the other places the specimens could be sent *don't* have enough room, > *don't* have enough staff, and *don't* have enough funding to take care > of the material? I would suspect, myself, that even in the *best* case > scenario, it's likely to be decades before that many fostered specimens > could possibly all be integrated into their new homes, and made fully > accessible to the research community again. Show that their basic premise > is flawed, and why, in *practical* terms that they can understand. > > I'm skeptical that career admins are going to find arguments about the > biodiversity crisis compelling, but if we can give some stark and > definitive statistics about collections, that might get their attention. > Things like (1) the number of herbaria that have closed down in the last 50 > years compared to the number that have been newly-created (2) trends in the > number of grants going to herbaria over time, and the adjusted total dollar > amounts OF those grants (3) trends in staffing over time. I'm betting that > those figures won't look too good, and the worse they look, the more > compelling the argument becomes, to not only keep the Duke herbarium open, > but to invest MORE money into the facility. If they're truly concerned > about making sure those specimens are well taken care of, then the best way > to accomplish that is to make their *present* home the best home they > could have. At the risk of a clumsy analogy, if parents are on the verge of > divorce, the best thing for their kids is not to ship them all off to > foster care, but to *fix the marriage*. > > Bear in mind also that the more compelling the evidence that herbaria are > struggling, and the situation getting worse, then by making the information > very public, we can draw more attention to the general problem that we are > ALL facing - and I doubt that it's going to reflect well on the Duke admins > if they're perceived as kicking someone when they're down. Bad PR is > compelling in its own special way. > > I suspect that I am, in large part, preaching to the proverbial choir > here, but grant me my moment of ranting. > > All that said, I do *not* know the answers to the questions I've raised - > I don't know what the relevant figures are, or how to obtain this > information. Maybe there are list subscribers affiliated with SPNHC or > AIBS, etc., who DO have these statistics at their fingertips, and would be > willing to share them. For all I know, someone here has published a recent > paper or given a talk about the state of US herbaria, and we can just cite > that. Maybe someone here has a good idea of a venue and a format for > composing a collective online document that a bunch of us can write > interactively, and distribute widely once it's completed. Even if all that > gets created is a list of "talking points", then as long as that list is > shared, if any of us are interviewed, we have a resource we can turn to, > and we can present a coherent and consistent message. I'm certainly not the > one who can do all this, but if I can even get things *started*, I'll > feel like I've done something constructive. Call me a cynic, but I'm > thinking we might even need to build a playbook-style resource called "What > to do in case someone threatens to shut down a collection" that we can > refer to the next time this happens. And, sadly, we all KNOW it will happen > again. > > Peace, > > -- > Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum > Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega > phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) > https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html > "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness > is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. 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URL: From Tonya.Haff at csiro.au Mon Feb 19 13:53:35 2024 From: Tonya.Haff at csiro.au (Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace)) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:53:35 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage In-Reply-To: References: <36067d91-154e-443e-a667-4eb48ebbc7e7@leibniz-lib.de> <0762776b-2966-4ae3-bfed-5ecda73b715d@leibniz-lib.de> Message-ID: Hi all, We have this Delta slide cabinet, but in my experience the dividers are quite stiff and hard to adjust, and that the paint is in risk of flaking. They do provide some touch up paint, so that may be rather easily addressed, but I certainly couldn't adjust the dividers by hand, or get them flat enough for my satisfaction. We ended up ordering some trays without dividers for our oversized and strangely sized slides, and are experimenting with using magnetic tape to keep them stable and separate. Anyway, just my two cents :). Cheers, Tonya Tonya Haff Australian National Wildlife Collection, CSIRO Canberra ACT +61(0)419569109 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Dirk Neumann Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:17:44 AM To: Jean-Marc Gagnon ; Sagebiel, J. Chris ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage ... yes, you can adjust the dividers easily; the coating is strong enough and would not flake off if adjusted [cid:part1.aI0RiqsO.ueEi5WId at leibniz-lib.de] [cid:part2.mzCkpfxE.QB4Nu4ze at leibniz-lib.de] Am 15.02.2024 um 17:10 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon: Chris, I would suggest contacting Delta to find out what they can do. I suspect they can adjust their cutters to different sizes, but I am not certain. Jean-Marc From: Sagebiel, J. Chris Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:00 AM To: Jean-Marc Gagnon ; Dirk Neumann ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Are these cabinets useful for odd-sized slides? I have a decent size collection of histological slides that are often wider than standard microscope slides. I cannot tell from the website photos whether large slides can be fit into these trays ? do the tabs on the trays fold down or can they be removed? Thanks! J. Chris Sagebiel, collections manager Texas Vertebrate Paleontology Collections From: Nhcoll-l > On Behalf Of Jean-Marc Gagnon Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:44 AM To: Dirk Neumann >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT]Re: [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Dirk, I meant to check; thanks for the prompt. The version we have has 604 trays, each holding 72 regular microscope slides, for a total of 43 488 slides. I know that this tray version was an improvement from the previous, so they may have found a way to increase the number of slides stored per tray and per cabinets. Cheers, Jean-Marc From: Dirk Neumann > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 10:36 AM To: Jean-Marc Gagnon >; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage Hi Jean-Marc, ... if I am not wrong, it can hold up to 56K slides (depending on the size of the slides) ... With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 16:19 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon: Vanessa, After seeing the large, two-door Delta Slide Cabinet in use at the Denver Museum of Nature & Science in 2017, we obtained one in 2018-19 and we are very satisfied with it. It can house in the vicinity of 40K regular slides and allows for great access. We used a lot of Eberbach single and quad cabinets (not all slides have been transferred into the Delta cabinet yet). Other than wanting to move away for the mess of having so many smaller wooden cabinets all over our collections, we were also concerned with the long-term effect of acidic vapour. A bryozoan collection originally housed in one of those now has many specimens ?suffering? from Bynesian Decay. Delta?s small slide cabinet version, as show on the webpage Dirk indicated below, looks very interesting for smaller slide collections. Jean-Marc Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D. (he/him/his) (il/lui) Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist / Director, Beaty Centre for Species Discovery Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef / Directeur, Centre Beaty pour la d?couverte des esp?ces Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature 613 364 4066 613 851-7556 cell 613 364 4027 Fax jmgagnon at nature.ca https://nature.ca/en/research-collections/science-experts/jean-marc-gagnon Adresse postale / Postal Address: Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 Canada / Canada Adresse de livraison / Courier Address : 1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Dirk Neumann Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:59 AM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Microscope slide storage COURRIEL EXTERNE. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien ou pi?ce jointe ? moins que vous ne connaissiez l'exp?diteur. EXTERNAL EMAIL. Do not click any links or attachments unless you know the sender. Hi Vanessa, we are currently considering the Delta Design microslide cabinet: https://www.deltadesignsltd.com/our-products/microslide-storage-2/ With best wishes Dirk Am 15.02.2024 um 10:40 schrieb Vanessa Pitusi: Hi all, Here at the Troms? Museum, we are looking at new storage possibilities for our microscope slides. I have been checking online for solutions, but we have not found one that we have liked. Can anyone (especially in Scandinavia or Europe) share what kind of storage/cupboard(s) they use and where they were bought from. Thank you! 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If you have a rough breakdown of proportion of the cost for cabinetry, rehousing materials, labour, etc. it would be much appreciated. Precision is not necessary, we're just trying to ballpark some figures. Thanks in advance to everyone who reaches out! -- Moya Dumville, BA, MAC Risk Analysis Advisor Protect Heritage Corp. 622 Simoneau Way Ottawa ON K4A 1P4 email: md at protectheritage.com internet: www.protectheritage.com [1] phone: (343) 364-6066 skype: dumvillemoya Links: ------ [1] http://www.protectheritage.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From berber.vandermeulen at naturalis.nl Wed Feb 21 06:47:45 2024 From: berber.vandermeulen at naturalis.nl (Berber van der Meulen) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 12:47:45 +0100 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Fluid-preserved fungi Message-ID: Dear all, We are planning to repot our fluid-preserved fungi collection to more suitable containers. Most specimens are currently preserved in formalin. Of course we'll be following the usual health and safety measures for working with formalin (gloves, fume hood), but I was wondering if people have experience with fluid-preserved fungi and could give some tips on what to expect? Are there for example any additional protective measures we should take regarding toxins that have leached into the fluid etc.? Thank you so much in advance, -- Met vriendelijke groet, Berber van der Meulen Projectco?rdinator Collectie - berber.vandermeulen at naturalis.nl - www.naturalis.nl Darwinweg 2, 2333 CR Leiden Postbus 9517, 2300 RA Leiden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From couteaufin at btinternet.com Wed Feb 21 06:58:39 2024 From: couteaufin at btinternet.com (Simon Moore) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 11:58:39 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Fluid-preserved fungi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ACD5E2F-9C8A-4ACD-ADA9-60DFA7693904@btinternet.com> Hi Berber. I have worked with fluid-preserved fungal fruiting bodies for some time but on a small scale. I have always preferred Kew mixture (fixative) and Copenhagen mixture as a preservative. This keeps the fungi firm and preserves some of the colours. You may find some colour leaching has occurred and some fruiting bodies become rather floppy, especially more fragile specimens like Coprinellus spp. or Coprinopsis spp. You may wish to consider using the Kew and Copehangen mix approach in the future? With all good wishes, Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian. www.natural-history-conservation.com > On 21 Feb 2024, at 11:47, Berber van der Meulen wrote: > > Dear all, > > We are planning to repot our fluid-preserved fungi collection to more suitable containers. Most specimens are currently preserved in formalin. > > Of course we'll be following the usual health and safety measures for working with formalin (gloves, fume hood), but I was wondering if people have experience with fluid-preserved fungi and could give some tips on what to expect? > > Are there for example any additional protective measures we should take regarding toxins that have leached into the fluid etc.? > > Thank you so much in advance, > > > -- > Met vriendelijke groet, > > Berber van der Meulen > Projectco?rdinator Collectie > > > > > > - > berber.vandermeulen at naturalis.nl - www.naturalis.nl > Darwinweg 2, 2333 CR Leiden > Postbus 9517, 2300 RA Leiden > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. 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A period of internship or further training is usual, but a professional qualification (MD, JD, CPA etc) allows one to start doing things that are otherwise illegal (like cutting live people open, representing a defendant in court, etc). A master craftsperson is mobile between workplaces at master rank, but a partially-completed apprenticeship might not be accepted outside the workplace in which it was created. There is no rank above master, and senior institutional management tends to be taken from the ranks of professionals. Any capable young person can become an apprentice, and the lower bar for entry means the trades are often more inclusive than the professions (though unions can and do bias hiring somewhat). Master tradespeople can make more money than at least junior professionals, and are arguably more important to the running of infrastructure-based institutions like museums. 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If I had not seen the definitions you posted, I don't think I could have answered this question, myself, despite 25 years as a collection manager. Frankly, off the top of my head, I would have said that a profession is what you get paid to do - i.e., that's what distinguishes a professional from an amateur. In that sense, trade and profession are synonymous, since I can't imagine calling something a trade if it is not a source of income. I'm not disputing the definitions you gave, just saying that that particular distinction is not intuitive, given the various uses of the word "professional". Peace. -- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prc44 at drexel.edu Fri Feb 23 12:40:23 2024 From: prc44 at drexel.edu (Callomon,Paul) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 17:40:23 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Collection management: trade or profession? In-Reply-To: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> Message-ID: Part of the reason for the question is to bring these words into focus. For some folks, "professional" simply means "paid," and not "amateur." That's not its actual meaning, though - there are no amateur surgeons or professional carpenters. The distinction is important, because we should be thinking harder about creating more pathways into museum collections management. At present, the requirements and compensation vary so widely between individual institutions that it's impossible to say whether this is something that someone with, say, a high school diploma or an associate's degree could aspire to. If it isn't - if to be a CM you need a master's or PhD or "equivalent" - then it's a profession, and we are likely to see the same demographic as in the other professions. At least we would, if being a CM paid like being a doctor or lawyer... Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Douglas Yanega Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 12:31 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Collection management: trade or profession? External. On 2/23/24 8:34 AM, Callomon,Paul wrote: * Is collection management a trade or a profession? What's the difference? I imagine that most people you asked "What's the difference between a trade and a profession?" could not give a clear and coherent answer discriminating between them. If I had not seen the definitions you posted, I don't think I could have answered this question, myself, despite 25 years as a collection manager. Frankly, off the top of my head, I would have said that a profession is what you get paid to do - i.e., that's what distinguishes a professional from an amateur. In that sense, trade and profession are synonymous, since I can't imagine calling something a trade if it is not a source of income. I'm not disputing the definitions you gave, just saying that that particular distinction is not intuitive, given the various uses of the word "professional". Peace. -- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de Fri Feb 23 12:42:38 2024 From: d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de (Dirk Neumann) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 18:42:38 +0100 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Collection management: trade or profession? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3fa1b144-008c-413c-b2f5-1dd341945b0f@leibniz-lib.de> Hi Paul, depends on how you understand Collection Management. Here in Germany, a US Collection Manager would be the Collection Technician. For this education, there are either specific schools, like the one that Senckenberg in Frankfurt runs. Here, you start in a trade and graduate after two years as a technical staff. This is very similar as the education (school where you graduate) as a biological technical assistant (BTA), or - similarly, chemical technical assistant. (BTA profile link). That is something between a trade and university education, but a proper profession (Berufsausbildung - knowing that you get along with the German terms). The other option would be a bachelor in biology would theoretically have the same level of education, but of course is less skilled at the start of the career. But this is typically not was is understood here as collection management. This is a position that is situated between curators and technical staff, and would have a more "active" management component. In the UK, the collection managers are the Curators, while the traditional curators are research scientists (if these are still hired). I assume you are asking for the person that technically runs a collection and in responsible for it maintenance and management? My answer would be it can be both. Interesting question! Dirk Am 23.02.2024 um 17:34 schrieb Callomon,Paul: Folks, As research for a planned paper, I thought I'd canvass you all on the following question: * Is collection management a trade or a profession? What's the difference? - A trade begins with learning, practice and experience (an apprenticeship). Apprentices pass tests and become journeymen; they then produce a masterpiece (the origin of the term, nothing to do with the Mona Lisa) and gain master's certification and sometimes membership of a guild, which allows them to take their own apprentices and renew the cycle in their place of work. - A profession begins with study and examinations. Practice with real clients can only begin once both have been completed (think: lawyers; surgeons; accountants). A period of internship or further training is usual, but a professional qualification (MD, JD, CPA etc) allows one to start doing things that are otherwise illegal (like cutting live people open, representing a defendant in court, etc). A master craftsperson is mobile between workplaces at master rank, but a partially-completed apprenticeship might not be accepted outside the workplace in which it was created. There is no rank above master, and senior institutional management tends to be taken from the ranks of professionals. Any capable young person can become an apprentice, and the lower bar for entry means the trades are often more inclusive than the professions (though unions can and do bias hiring somewhat). Master tradespeople can make more money than at least junior professionals, and are arguably more important to the running of infrastructure-based institutions like museums. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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I do not think the field is nearly as mobile as any trade, nor do I think institutions have consistent enough practices that might permit the kind of professional mobility that trades do. That being said, I think collections management could definitely benefit from the organization that the trades have displayed. I don?t really know of any other profession than the management of natural history collections that requires as broad of a skill set, or has as varied a set of responsibilities. On any given day, collection managers might be doing work that is decidedly blue collar (carrying out day-to-day operations of a warehouse, testing materials, physically moving and cataloguing inventory, packing objects for shipments, etc), to decidedly white-collar / academic (managing complex relational databases, identifying species, providing authoritative scientific information to the public, government agencies, etc.) In many ways I feel like CMs are like engineers, in that they are usually professionals with a degree credential that apply scientific concepts to practical problems, and are to some degree autonomous agents that can work anywhere, but to a lesser degree than tradespeople. -Nate -- [The Ohio State University] Nathaniel F. Shoobs Curator of Mollusks College of Arts & Sciences Dept. of Evolution, Ecology, and Organismal Biology Museum of Biological Diversity, 1315 Kinnear Rd, Columbus, OH 43212 614-688-1342 (Office) mbd.osu.edu From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Dirk Neumann Date: Friday, February 23, 2024 at 12:43?PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Collection management: trade or profession? Hi Paul, depends on how you understand Collection Management. Here in Germany, a US Collection Manager would be the Collection Technician. For this education, there are either specific schools, like the one that Senckenberg in Frankfurt runs.? Hi Paul, depends on how you understand Collection Management. Here in Germany, a US Collection Manager would be the Collection Technician. For this education, there are either specific schools, like the one that Senckenberg in Frankfurt runs. Here, you start in a trade and graduate after two years as a technical staff. This is very similar as the education (school where you graduate) as a biological technical assistant (BTA), or - similarly, chemical technical assistant. (BTA profile link). That is something between a trade and university education, but a proper profession (Berufsausbildung - knowing that you get along with the German terms). The other option would be a bachelor in biology would theoretically have the same level of education, but of course is less skilled at the start of the career. But this is typically not was is understood here as collection management. This is a position that is situated between curators and technical staff, and would have a more "active" management component. In the UK, the collection managers are the Curators, while the traditional curators are research scientists (if these are still hired). I assume you are asking for the person that technically runs a collection and in responsible for it maintenance and management? My answer would be it can be both. Interesting question! Dirk Am 23.02.2024 um 17:34 schrieb Callomon,Paul: Folks, As research for a planned paper, I thought I'd canvass you all on the following question: * Is collection management a trade or a profession? What's the difference? - A trade begins with learning, practice and experience (an apprenticeship). Apprentices pass tests and become journeymen; they then produce a masterpiece (the origin of the term, nothing to do with the Mona Lisa) and gain master's certification and sometimes membership of a guild, which allows them to take their own apprentices and renew the cycle in their place of work. - A profession begins with study and examinations. Practice with real clients can only begin once both have been completed (think: lawyers; surgeons; accountants). A period of internship or further training is usual, but a professional qualification (MD, JD, CPA etc) allows one to start doing things that are otherwise illegal (like cutting live people open, representing a defendant in court, etc). A master craftsperson is mobile between workplaces at master rank, but a partially-completed apprenticeship might not be accepted outside the workplace in which it was created. There is no rank above master, and senior institutional management tends to be taken from the ranks of professionals. Any capable young person can become an apprentice, and the lower bar for entry means the trades are often more inclusive than the professions (though unions can and do bias hiring somewhat). Master tradespeople can make more money than at least junior professionals, and are arguably more important to the running of infrastructure-based institutions like museums. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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The same applies for good amateurs (e.g. in entomology), which often are highly, skilled, but do not have the 'technical education' that would lift them onto a higher payment level. The payment level for a researcher in Germany is E13 (curator), that of an BTA is E9, and that of a bachelor or amateur may start at E6 or E8. A professional (master) gardener in a botanic garden however may start at E5 or E6, even though the degree as a trade master as recognised profession is equivalent at least with a bachelor's degree at university. Another problem that we have is that at the moment, there is no such education as 'collection manager' you could graduate from. In the US and here in Europe, there are Museum Studies programmes, but this is something different. A good starting point would be having the possibility to qualify as a proper 'collection manager' as profession. Senckenberg in Frankfurt does this. Perhaps this would be a suited example for your test case? With best wishes Dirk Am 23.02.2024 um 18:40 schrieb Callomon,Paul: ACHTUNG/ATTENTION: Diese E-Mail stammt von einem externen Absender. / This e-mail comes from an external sender. Part of the reason for the question is to bring these words into focus. For some folks, "professional" simply means "paid," and not "amateur." That's not its actual meaning, though - there are no amateur surgeons or professional carpenters. The distinction is important, because we should be thinking harder about creating more pathways into museum collections management. At present, the requirements and compensation vary so widely between individual institutions that it's impossible to say whether this is something that someone with, say, a high school diploma or an associate's degree could aspire to. If it isn't - if to be a CM you need a master's or PhD or "equivalent" - then it's a profession, and we are likely to see the same demographic as in the other professions. At least we would, if being a CM paid like being a doctor or lawyer... Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Douglas Yanega Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 12:31 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Collection management: trade or profession? External. On 2/23/24 8:34 AM, Callomon,Paul wrote: * Is collection management a trade or a profession? What's the difference? I imagine that most people you asked "What's the difference between a trade and a profession?" could not give a clear and coherent answer discriminating between them. If I had not seen the definitions you posted, I don't think I could have answered this question, myself, despite 25 years as a collection manager. Frankly, off the top of my head, I would have said that a profession is what you get paid to do - i.e., that's what distinguishes a professional from an amateur. In that sense, trade and profession are synonymous, since I can't imagine calling something a trade if it is not a source of income. I'm not disputing the definitions you gave, just saying that that particular distinction is not intuitive, given the various uses of the word "professional". Peace. -- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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I think of Collections Management as a specialization that falls into the profession category. Having a degree in art history qualifies you to become a specialist in art collections, for instance. I think of myself as a biologist who specializes in museum collections, rather than a biologist who specializes in field research. Collection Technician to me is the same as a Curatorial Assistant. I would hire someone without a BS to this position. Can a Curatorial Assistant without a BS move up to the position of Collections Manager? With enough experience, I would think yes. But that doesn't make it a trade. I do not believe that a Collections Manager requires a MS or PhD, unless the institution is also hiring that person as a researcher. On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:42?AM Dirk Neumann wrote: > Hi Paul, > > depends on how you understand Collection Management. > > Here in Germany, a US Collection Manager would be the Collection > Technician. For this education, there are either specific schools, like the > one that Senckenberg in Frankfurt runs > . Here, you > start in a trade and graduate after two years as a technical staff. This is > very similar as the education (school where you graduate) as a biological > technical assistant (BTA), or - similarly, chemical technical assistant. (BTA > profile link ). > > That is something between a trade and university education, but a proper > profession (Berufsausbildung - knowing that you get along with the German > terms). The other option would be a bachelor in biology would theoretically > have the same level of education, but of course is less skilled at the > start of the career. > > But this is typically not was is understood here as collection management. > This is a position that is situated between curators and technical staff, > and would have a more "active" management component. In the UK, the > collection managers are the Curators, while the traditional curators are > research scientists (if these are still hired). > > I assume you are asking for the person that technically runs a collection > and in responsible for it maintenance and management? > > My answer would be it can be both. > > Interesting question! > Dirk > > > Am 23.02.2024 um 17:34 schrieb Callomon,Paul: > > Folks, > > As research for a planned paper, I thought I'd canvass you all on the > following question: > > > - Is collection management a trade or a profession? What's the > difference? > - A trade begins with learning, practice and experience (an > apprenticeship). Apprentices pass tests and become journeymen; they then > produce a masterpiece (the origin of the term, nothing to do with the Mona > Lisa) and gain master's certification and sometimes membership of a guild, > which allows them to take their own apprentices and renew the cycle in > their place of work. > - A profession begins with study and examinations. Practice with real > clients can only begin once both have been completed (think: lawyers; > surgeons; accountants). A period of internship or further training is > usual, but a professional qualification (MD, JD, CPA etc) allows one to > start doing things that are otherwise illegal (like cutting live people > open, representing a defendant in court, etc). > > > A master craftsperson is mobile between workplaces at master rank, but a > partially-completed apprenticeship might not be accepted outside the > workplace in which it was created. There is no rank above master, and > senior institutional management tends to be taken from the ranks of > professionals. > > Any capable young person can become an apprentice, and the lower bar for > entry means the trades are often more inclusive than the professions > (though unions can and do bias hiring somewhat). Master tradespeople can > make more money than at least junior professionals, and are arguably more > important to the running of infrastructure-based institutions like museums. > > *Paul Callomon* > *Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates* > ------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia* > *callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing listNhcoll-l at mailman.yale.eduhttps://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > > > -- > > ****** > > > > *Dirk Neumann* > > Collection Manager, Hamburg > > > > Postal address: > > *Museum of Nature Hamburg* > Leibniz Institute for the Analysis > > of Biodiversity Change > > Dirk Neumann > > Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 > > 20146 Hamburg > +49 40 238 317 ? 628 > > *d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de * > > www.leibniz-lib.de > > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) > Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn > Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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URL: From liathappleton at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 13:00:22 2024 From: liathappleton at gmail.com (Liath Appleton) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 12:00:22 -0600 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession? In-Reply-To: References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> Message-ID: Librarians are very similar to Collections Managers. How are Librarians classified? In the US, qualifications vary, but I think most positions require a master's degree in Library Sciences. That is not an option for Collections Managers, at least not yet. On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:54?AM Dirk Neumann wrote: > aha - more details to answer the question. > Payment-wise, there is a difference at least in Germany: > > A profound technical educated BTA would receive a higher payment level > then a biology bachelor that did not continue to complete the masters > degree. The same applies for good amateurs (e.g. in entomology), which > often are highly, skilled, but do not have the 'technical education' that > would lift them onto a higher payment level. > > The payment level for a researcher in Germany is E13 (curator), that of an > BTA is E9, and that of a bachelor or amateur may start at E6 or E8. > A professional (master) gardener in a botanic garden however may start at > E5 or E6, even though the degree as a trade master as recognised profession > is equivalent at least with a bachelor's degree at university. > > Another problem that we have is that at the moment, there is no such > education as 'collection manager' you could graduate from. In the US and > here in Europe, there are Museum Studies programmes, but this is something > different. A good starting point would be having the possibility to qualify > as a proper 'collection manager' as profession. Senckenberg in Frankfurt > does this. Perhaps this would be a suited example for your test case? > > With best wishes > Dirk > > > Am 23.02.2024 um 18:40 schrieb Callomon,Paul: > > ACHTUNG/ATTENTION: Diese E-Mail stammt von einem externen Absender. / > This e-mail comes from an external sender. > > > Part of the reason for the question is to bring these words into focus. > For some folks, "professional" simply means "paid," and not "amateur." > That's not its actual meaning, though - there are no amateur surgeons or > professional carpenters. > > The distinction is important, because we should be thinking harder about > creating more pathways into museum collections management. At present, the > requirements and compensation vary so widely between individual > institutions that it's impossible to say whether this is something that > someone with, say, a high school diploma or an associate's degree could > aspire to. If it isn't - if to be a CM you need a master's or PhD or > "equivalent" - then it's a profession, and we are likely to see the same > demographic as in the other professions. At least we would, if being a CM > paid like being a doctor or lawyer... > > *Paul Callomon* > *Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates* > ------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia* > *callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Douglas Yanega > > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2024 12:31 PM > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Collection management: trade or profession? > > > External. > On 2/23/24 8:34 AM, Callomon,Paul wrote: > > > - Is collection management a trade or a profession? What's the > difference? > > I imagine that most people you asked "What's the difference between a > trade and a profession?" could not give a clear and coherent answer > discriminating between them. If I had not seen the definitions you posted, > I don't think I could have answered this question, myself, despite 25 years > as a collection manager. Frankly, off the top of my head, I would have said > that a profession is what you get paid to do - i.e., that's what > distinguishes a professional from an amateur. In that sense, trade and > profession are synonymous, since I can't imagine calling something a trade > if it is not a source of income. > > > I'm not disputing the definitions you gave, just saying that that > particular distinction is not intuitive, given the various uses of the word > "professional". > > > Peace. > > -- > Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum > Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega > phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) > https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html > "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness > is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 > > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing listNhcoll-l at mailman.yale.eduhttps://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > > > -- > > ****** > > > > *Dirk Neumann* > > Collection Manager, Hamburg > > > > Postal address: > > *Museum of Nature Hamburg* > Leibniz Institute for the Analysis > > of Biodiversity Change > > Dirk Neumann > > Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 > > 20146 Hamburg > +49 40 238 317 ? 628 > > *d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de * > > www.leibniz-lib.de > > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) > Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn > Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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URL: From d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de Fri Feb 23 13:00:47 2024 From: d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de (Dirk Neumann) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 19:00:47 +0100 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Collection management: trade or profession? In-Reply-To: References: <3fa1b144-008c-413c-b2f5-1dd341945b0f@leibniz-lib.de> Message-ID: <3dd609a2-3ccd-44dc-8908-8b2aba7ab165@leibniz-lib.de> Interesting, Liath! Here, it is mostly biologists with a diploma or - now - master's degree. That is more then a curatorial assistant. I think there also is a cultural difference in how these positions are seen/ranked. All the best Dirk Am 23.02.2024 um 18:54 schrieb Liath Appleton: Collection Technician to me is the same as a Curatorial Assistant. I would hire someone without a BS to this position -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 12:00?PM Dirk Neumann wrote: > Interesting, Liath! > > Here, it is mostly biologists with a diploma or - now - master's degree. > That is more then a curatorial assistant. > > I think there also is a cultural difference in how these positions are > seen/ranked. > > All the best > Dirk > > > Am 23.02.2024 um 18:54 schrieb Liath Appleton: > > Collection Technician to me is the same as a Curatorial Assistant. I would > hire someone without a BS to this position > > > -- > > ****** > > > > *Dirk Neumann* > > Collection Manager, Hamburg > > > > Postal address: > > *Museum of Nature Hamburg* > Leibniz Institute for the Analysis > > of Biodiversity Change > > Dirk Neumann > > Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 > > 20146 Hamburg > +49 40 238 317 ? 628 > > *d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de * > > www.leibniz-lib.de > > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) > Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn > Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) > Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn > Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de Fri Feb 23 13:04:54 2024 From: d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de (Dirk Neumann) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 19:04:54 +0100 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession? In-Reply-To: References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <11030f59-052a-4b2b-be07-0fab61c6d314@leibniz-lib.de> Good match! In Germany again, you can start this as an education (3 years), but you can also study this at university Am 23.02.2024 um 19:00 schrieb Liath Appleton: Librarians are very similar to Collections Managers. How are Librarians classified? In the US, qualifications vary, but I think most positions require a master's degree in Library Sciences. That is not an option for Collections Managers, at least not yet. On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:54?AM Dirk Neumann > wrote: aha - more details to answer the question. Payment-wise, there is a difference at least in Germany: A profound technical educated BTA would receive a higher payment level then a biology bachelor that did not continue to complete the masters degree. The same applies for good amateurs (e.g. in entomology), which often are highly, skilled, but do not have the 'technical education' that would lift them onto a higher payment level. The payment level for a researcher in Germany is E13 (curator), that of an BTA is E9, and that of a bachelor or amateur may start at E6 or E8. A professional (master) gardener in a botanic garden however may start at E5 or E6, even though the degree as a trade master as recognised profession is equivalent at least with a bachelor's degree at university. Another problem that we have is that at the moment, there is no such education as 'collection manager' you could graduate from. In the US and here in Europe, there are Museum Studies programmes, but this is something different. A good starting point would be having the possibility to qualify as a proper 'collection manager' as profession. Senckenberg in Frankfurt does this. Perhaps this would be a suited example for your test case? With best wishes Dirk Am 23.02.2024 um 18:40 schrieb Callomon,Paul: ACHTUNG/ATTENTION: Diese E-Mail stammt von einem externen Absender. / This e-mail comes from an external sender. Part of the reason for the question is to bring these words into focus. For some folks, "professional" simply means "paid," and not "amateur." That's not its actual meaning, though - there are no amateur surgeons or professional carpenters. The distinction is important, because we should be thinking harder about creating more pathways into museum collections management. At present, the requirements and compensation vary so widely between individual institutions that it's impossible to say whether this is something that someone with, say, a high school diploma or an associate's degree could aspire to. If it isn't - if to be a CM you need a master's or PhD or "equivalent" - then it's a profession, and we are likely to see the same demographic as in the other professions. At least we would, if being a CM paid like being a doctor or lawyer... Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Douglas Yanega Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 12:31 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Collection management: trade or profession? External. On 2/23/24 8:34 AM, Callomon,Paul wrote: * Is collection management a trade or a profession? What's the difference? I imagine that most people you asked "What's the difference between a trade and a profession?" could not give a clear and coherent answer discriminating between them. If I had not seen the definitions you posted, I don't think I could have answered this question, myself, despite 25 years as a collection manager. Frankly, off the top of my head, I would have said that a profession is what you get paid to do - i.e., that's what distinguishes a professional from an amateur. In that sense, trade and profession are synonymous, since I can't imagine calling something a trade if it is not a source of income. I'm not disputing the definitions you gave, just saying that that particular distinction is not intuitive, given the various uses of the word "professional". Peace. -- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simmons.johne at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 13:13:41 2024 From: simmons.johne at gmail.com (John E Simmons) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 13:13:41 -0500 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Collection management: trade or profession? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul, This issue has been discussed in the literature for quite some time, and is important because using such names as trade and technician is used as a justification for paying lower salaries than are paid to others presumed to be professionals. I published an article on the subject in 1993 (?Natural history collections management in North America.? *Journal of Biological Curation* 1(3/4):1-17) pointing out that: ?a *professional *is one who conforms to the standards of a profession. A *profession *requires specialized knowledge and usually intensive academic preparation. By contrast, someone in a *technical *position would be a *technician. *which can be defined as a specialist in the technical details of a subject or occupation. The difference is important?professional means specialized knowledge and intensive academic preparation; technical means merely a mastery of certain technical details. Collections managers have also been incorrectly referred to as ?paraprofessionals." The definition of a paraprofessional is someone trained to assist a professional person. This is not what collections managers do.? Much more discussion of the subject can be found in Williams, S. L., and C. A. Hawks (editors). 2006. *Museum Studies. Perspectives and Innovations*. Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections. In particular, the chapters by Chambers, E. A., ?Defining the role of the curator? (47-65), Cato, P. S., and H. H. Genoways, ?Toward common nomenclature and definitions for natural science professional collections-related positions? (67-84); and Cunningham, M. R., ?Professionalism through academics. A historically established paradigm and its application to the museum field? (85-109) are instructive. I briefly addressed the historical development of the museum profession (which includes collection managers and curators) in 2016 in *Museums. A History*, and I took a much more detailed and in-depth look at the issue in 2020 in ?A very brief history of the profession? [pp.2-16 in J. E. Simmons and T. M. Kiser (editors). *Museum Registration Methods*, 6th edition. Rowman & Littlefield], writing that: ?In his book on the history of museum studies, Jes?s Lorente identified three components that were fundamental to establishing the museum profession: (i) specialized publications; (ii) professional associations; and (ii) formal training courses, all of which blossomed in the twentieth century and enabled the collections care profession to progress from people with on-the-job-learning and informal apprenticeships to a core of university-trained professionals who could access a range of technical literature and who had official channels for communication with colleagues through museum associations. The title *collections manager *came into use in the mid-1970s in natural history museums in the United States. Although some natural history museums had registrars, the position was not common. Historically, most hands-on collection work and registration was done by curators or by curatorial assistants working under their direction. As both collections and collections-based research increased in size and complexity, it became obvious that specialists were needed to take over the documentation and care of the collections because the job descriptions of most natural history curators were increasingly focused on research and administration. A 1990 survey of collection care positions in the United States and Canada demonstrated that the tasks of collections managers included the registration and care responsibilities traditionally assigned to registrars in other museums but with a greater emphasis on hands-on collections care and use of electronic registration systems. Although there were some attempts to distinguish between a registrar and a collections manager (e.g., a registrar was primarily involved with record keeping and a collections manager with hands-on collection work), the responsibilities of the two positions quickly converged and the job titles have become synonyms?? The book by Lorente and the survey referred to are: Lorente, J. P. 2012. *Manual de Historia de la Museolog?a*. Ediciones Trea Cato, P. S. 1993. Summary of a study to evaluate collection manager-type positions. *Collection Forum *7(2):72?94. Lastly, the descriptions in your email of profession and trade are interesting, and for many professions and trades are accurate, but they are so narrow as exclude other professions and trades. For example, these are the definitions from the *American Heritage College Dictionary* Profession. ?1a. An occupation or career. B. An occupation such as law that requires considerable training and specialized study.? Trade. ?1. The business of buying and selling commodities; commerce. 2. The people working in or associated with a business or industry? 6. An occupation, esp. one requiring skilled labor; craft.? --John John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica *and* Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:35?AM Callomon,Paul wrote: > Folks, > > As research for a planned paper, I thought I'd canvass you all on the > following question: > > > - Is collection management a trade or a profession? What's the > difference? > - A trade begins with learning, practice and experience (an > apprenticeship). Apprentices pass tests and become journeymen; they then > produce a masterpiece (the origin of the term, nothing to do with the Mona > Lisa) and gain master's certification and sometimes membership of a guild, > which allows them to take their own apprentices and renew the cycle in > their place of work. > - A profession begins with study and examinations. Practice with real > clients can only begin once both have been completed (think: lawyers; > surgeons; accountants). A period of internship or further training is > usual, but a professional qualification (MD, JD, CPA etc) allows one to > start doing things that are otherwise illegal (like cutting live people > open, representing a defendant in court, etc). > > > A master craftsperson is mobile between workplaces at master rank, but a > partially-completed apprenticeship might not be accepted outside the > workplace in which it was created. There is no rank above master, and > senior institutional management tends to be taken from the ranks of > professionals. > > Any capable young person can become an apprentice, and the lower bar for > entry means the trades are often more inclusive than the professions > (though unions can and do bias hiring somewhat). Master tradespeople can > make more money than at least junior professionals, and are arguably more > important to the running of infrastructure-based institutions like museums. > > *Paul Callomon* > *Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates* > ------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia* > *callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing list > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoobs.1 at osu.edu Fri Feb 23 13:15:31 2024 From: shoobs.1 at osu.edu (Shoobs, Nate) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 18:15:31 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession? In-Reply-To: <11030f59-052a-4b2b-be07-0fab61c6d314@leibniz-lib.de> References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> <11030f59-052a-4b2b-be07-0fab61c6d314@leibniz-lib.de> Message-ID: Good point to bring up Librarians, Liath! Interesting to note that in the US, in a lot of libraries, the librarians have professionalized in a similar manner to doctors and lawyers. And interestingly, many librarians have tenure. A librarian at an academic library can have tenure and teach courses! Many public school systems in the US also have tenure, but this is usually guaranteed by a union contract, and most library systems with tenure (I think) do not have union representation. I think that there are some important distinctions between Librarians and museum Collection Managers (largely, collection managers deal primarily with one-of-a-kind objects that have varied storage needs and usually they need specific subject knowledge, whereas librarians primarily deal with objects that are not unique and fairly homogenous in their care requirements. But both have similar responsibilities and workflows. Archivists are probably more comparable in terms of variety of responsibility, and they are usually but not always librarians by training. Another interesting thing to consider is that many librarians do not have a professional credential beyond a bachelors. The MLIS was, as I understand it, a fairly recent development that was concomitant with the field professionalizing and adding (for better or worse) barriers to entry to newcomers. -Nate -- [The Ohio State University] Nathaniel F. Shoobs Curator of Mollusks College of Arts & Sciences Dept. of Evolution, Ecology, and Organismal Biology Museum of Biological Diversity, 1315 Kinnear Rd, Columbus, OH 43212 614-688-1342 (Office) mbd.osu.edu From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Dirk Neumann Date: Friday, February 23, 2024 at 1:05?PM To: Liath Appleton Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession? Good match! In Germany again, you can start this as an education (3 years), but you can also study this at university Am 23.?02.?2024 um 19:?00 schrieb Liath Appleton: Librarians are very similar to Collections Managers. How are Librarians classified? Good match! In Germany again, you can start this as an education (3 years), but you can also study this at university Am 23.02.2024 um 19:00 schrieb Liath Appleton: Librarians are very similar to Collections Managers. How are Librarians classified? In the US, qualifications vary, but I think most positions require a master's degree in Library Sciences. That is not an option for Collections Managers, at least not yet. On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:54?AM Dirk Neumann > wrote: aha - more details to answer the question. Payment-wise, there is a difference at least in Germany: A profound technical educated BTA would receive a higher payment level then a biology bachelor that did not continue to complete the masters degree. The same applies for good amateurs (e.g. in entomology), which often are highly, skilled, but do not have the 'technical education' that would lift them onto a higher payment level. The payment level for a researcher in Germany is E13 (curator), that of an BTA is E9, and that of a bachelor or amateur may start at E6 or E8. A professional (master) gardener in a botanic garden however may start at E5 or E6, even though the degree as a trade master as recognised profession is equivalent at least with a bachelor's degree at university. Another problem that we have is that at the moment, there is no such education as 'collection manager' you could graduate from. In the US and here in Europe, there are Museum Studies programmes, but this is something different. A good starting point would be having the possibility to qualify as a proper 'collection manager' as profession. Senckenberg in Frankfurt does this. Perhaps this would be a suited example for your test case? With best wishes Dirk Am 23.02.2024 um 18:40 schrieb Callomon,Paul: ACHTUNG/ATTENTION: Diese E-Mail stammt von einem externen Absender. / This e-mail comes from an external sender. Part of the reason for the question is to bring these words into focus. For some folks, "professional" simply means "paid," and not "amateur." That's not its actual meaning, though - there are no amateur surgeons or professional carpenters. The distinction is important, because we should be thinking harder about creating more pathways into museum collections management. At present, the requirements and compensation vary so widely between individual institutions that it's impossible to say whether this is something that someone with, say, a high school diploma or an associate's degree could aspire to. If it isn't - if to be a CM you need a master's or PhD or "equivalent" - then it's a profession, and we are likely to see the same demographic as in the other professions. At least we would, if being a CM paid like being a doctor or lawyer... Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Douglas Yanega Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 12:31 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Collection management: trade or profession? External. On 2/23/24 8:34 AM, Callomon,Paul wrote: * Is collection management a trade or a profession? What's the difference? I imagine that most people you asked "What's the difference between a trade and a profession?" could not give a clear and coherent answer discriminating between them. If I had not seen the definitions you posted, I don't think I could have answered this question, myself, despite 25 years as a collection manager. Frankly, off the top of my head, I would have said that a profession is what you get paid to do - i.e., that's what distinguishes a professional from an amateur. In that sense, trade and profession are synonymous, since I can't imagine calling something a trade if it is not a source of income. I'm not disputing the definitions you gave, just saying that that particular distinction is not intuitive, given the various uses of the word "professional". Peace. -- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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In-Reply-To: References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> <11030f59-052a-4b2b-be07-0fab61c6d314@leibniz-lib.de> Message-ID: Some misdirection questions raised by Paul Callomon's original question and by many of the responses to it: -- What is (are) the relationship(s) of "Collection Manager" --the job position-- to those who use collections?; to the institutions which support / sustain / provide buillt and logical infrastructure for the Collection being Managed? -- Who are the advocates for why and how a (biological) Collection is to be operated (as a Goal, not simply in a day-to-day sense)? -- Are any of those "related" folks necessarily the "Professional" leadership of those Collections? -- Does a Collection Manager need to (deeply) understand the user, the institutional goals / objectives for the Collection, the lingo of the "Professional" leadership of those Collections, in order to properly "Manage" the Collection? If so, would that make the Collection Manager a "Professional" also? Do we need to know / understand / appreciate the answers to these questions before we can adequately assess (or perhaps better, DEFINE) the professionalism (if any) required of a Collection Manager? "Misdirection", I say partly in jest, but mostly because Paul's question and the responses to date seem to echo a similar identity (or mission?) crisis that was most recently reflected in the Duke University declaration to get rid of its botanical collection. The systematic / taxonomic /biodiversity communities are challenged to defend their (own, and their supporting Collections) very existence --nothing new there but the recognition that it's a long-recurring theme (i.e., not just a "Duke" thing). All that said, I'd otherwise agree with Doug Yanega's original reply of Feb 23, 2024, 9:32?AM. Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abentley at ku.edu Fri Feb 23 14:22:27 2024 From: abentley at ku.edu (Bentley, Andrew Charles) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 19:22:27 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession? In-Reply-To: References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> Message-ID: A Museum Studies Master?s degree is exactly that. Provides a theoretical and practical basis for collection management. This is however only one route into collection management. Its is also safe to say that the ?profession? of collection management has changed dramatically over the last 15-20 years with a lot of emphasis on digital skills ? databases, digitization, data manipulation, imaging, data publishing, etc. ? skills that require a high level of competency and training. Andy A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V Andy Bentley Ichthyology Collection Manager University of Kansas Biodiversity Institute Dyche Hall 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561 USA Tel: (785) 864-3863 Fax: (785) 864-5335 Email: abentley at ku.edu ORCID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3093-1258 http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Liath Appleton Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 12:00 PM To: Dirk Neumann Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession? Librarians are very similar to Collections Managers. How are Librarians classified? In the US, qualifications vary, but I think most positions require a master's degree in Library Sciences. That is not an option for Collections Managers, at least not yet. On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:54?AM Dirk Neumann > wrote: aha - more details to answer the question. Payment-wise, there is a difference at least in Germany: A profound technical educated BTA would receive a higher payment level then a biology bachelor that did not continue to complete the masters degree. The same applies for good amateurs (e.g. in entomology), which often are highly, skilled, but do not have the 'technical education' that would lift them onto a higher payment level. The payment level for a researcher in Germany is E13 (curator), that of an BTA is E9, and that of a bachelor or amateur may start at E6 or E8. A professional (master) gardener in a botanic garden however may start at E5 or E6, even though the degree as a trade master as recognised profession is equivalent at least with a bachelor's degree at university. Another problem that we have is that at the moment, there is no such education as 'collection manager' you could graduate from. In the US and here in Europe, there are Museum Studies programmes, but this is something different. A good starting point would be having the possibility to qualify as a proper 'collection manager' as profession. Senckenberg in Frankfurt does this. Perhaps this would be a suited example for your test case? With best wishes Dirk Am 23.02.2024 um 18:40 schrieb Callomon,Paul: ACHTUNG/ATTENTION: Diese E-Mail stammt von einem externen Absender. / This e-mail comes from an external sender. Part of the reason for the question is to bring these words into focus. For some folks, "professional" simply means "paid," and not "amateur." That's not its actual meaning, though - there are no amateur surgeons or professional carpenters. The distinction is important, because we should be thinking harder about creating more pathways into museum collections management. At present, the requirements and compensation vary so widely between individual institutions that it's impossible to say whether this is something that someone with, say, a high school diploma or an associate's degree could aspire to. If it isn't - if to be a CM you need a master's or PhD or "equivalent" - then it's a profession, and we are likely to see the same demographic as in the other professions. At least we would, if being a CM paid like being a doctor or lawyer... Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Douglas Yanega Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 12:31 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Collection management: trade or profession? External. On 2/23/24 8:34 AM, Callomon,Paul wrote: * Is collection management a trade or a profession? What's the difference? I imagine that most people you asked "What's the difference between a trade and a profession?" could not give a clear and coherent answer discriminating between them. If I had not seen the definitions you posted, I don't think I could have answered this question, myself, despite 25 years as a collection manager. Frankly, off the top of my head, I would have said that a profession is what you get paid to do - i.e., that's what distinguishes a professional from an amateur. In that sense, trade and profession are synonymous, since I can't imagine calling something a trade if it is not a source of income. I'm not disputing the definitions you gave, just saying that that particular distinction is not intuitive, given the various uses of the word "professional". Peace. -- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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URL: From christopher.tacker at naturalsciences.org Fri Feb 23 14:32:35 2024 From: christopher.tacker at naturalsciences.org (Tacker, Christopher) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 19:32:35 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [External] Re: [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession? In-Reply-To: References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have to second Andy Bentley -"skills that require a high level of competency and training." The vibe I get from the Ivory Tower is that "anyone can do that." After trying to salvage academics' collections when they retire, I can assure you that not everyone can do the job. It is a profession with a proud history. I'm like the idea of certifications or training that will allow us to argue for higher pay for our Collection Managers and staff. Chris Tacker Chris Tacker (he, him, his) Research Curator, Geology | Ph.D. North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences | 11 West Jones Street | Raleigh, NC 27601-1029 http://www.naturalsciences.org/ NC Department of Natural and Cultural Resources Office: 919-707-9941 christopher.tacker at naturalsciences.org Email correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Bentley, Andrew Charles Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 2:22 PM To: Liath Appleton ; Dirk Neumann Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [External] Re: [Nhcoll-l] [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession? CAUTION: External email. Do not click links or open attachments unless verified. Report suspicious emails with the Report Message button located on your Outlook menu bar on the Home tab. A Museum Studies Master?s degree is exactly that. Provides a theoretical and practical basis for collection management. This is however only one route into collection management. Its is also safe to say that the ?profession? of collection management has changed dramatically over the last 15-20 years with a lot of emphasis on digital skills ? databases, digitization, data manipulation, imaging, data publishing, etc. ? skills that require a high level of competency and training. Andy A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V Andy Bentley Ichthyology Collection Manager University of Kansas Biodiversity Institute Dyche Hall 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561 USA Tel: (785) 864-3863 Fax: (785) 864-5335 Email: abentley at ku.edu ORCID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3093-1258 http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu A : A : A : }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> V V V From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Liath Appleton Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 12:00 PM To: Dirk Neumann Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession? Librarians are very similar to Collections Managers. How are Librarians classified? In the US, qualifications vary, but I think most positions require a master's degree in Library Sciences. That is not an option for Collections Managers, at least not yet. On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:54?AM Dirk Neumann > wrote: aha - more details to answer the question. Payment-wise, there is a difference at least in Germany: A profound technical educated BTA would receive a higher payment level then a biology bachelor that did not continue to complete the masters degree. The same applies for good amateurs (e.g. in entomology), which often are highly, skilled, but do not have the 'technical education' that would lift them onto a higher payment level. The payment level for a researcher in Germany is E13 (curator), that of an BTA is E9, and that of a bachelor or amateur may start at E6 or E8. A professional (master) gardener in a botanic garden however may start at E5 or E6, even though the degree as a trade master as recognised profession is equivalent at least with a bachelor's degree at university. Another problem that we have is that at the moment, there is no such education as 'collection manager' you could graduate from. In the US and here in Europe, there are Museum Studies programmes, but this is something different. A good starting point would be having the possibility to qualify as a proper 'collection manager' as profession. Senckenberg in Frankfurt does this. Perhaps this would be a suited example for your test case? With best wishes Dirk Am 23.02.2024 um 18:40 schrieb Callomon,Paul: ACHTUNG/ATTENTION: Diese E-Mail stammt von einem externen Absender. / This e-mail comes from an external sender. Part of the reason for the question is to bring these words into focus. For some folks, "professional" simply means "paid," and not "amateur." That's not its actual meaning, though - there are no amateur surgeons or professional carpenters. The distinction is important, because we should be thinking harder about creating more pathways into museum collections management. At present, the requirements and compensation vary so widely between individual institutions that it's impossible to say whether this is something that someone with, say, a high school diploma or an associate's degree could aspire to. If it isn't - if to be a CM you need a master's or PhD or "equivalent" - then it's a profession, and we are likely to see the same demographic as in the other professions. At least we would, if being a CM paid like being a doctor or lawyer... Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Douglas Yanega Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 12:31 PM To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Collection management: trade or profession? External. On 2/23/24 8:34 AM, Callomon,Paul wrote: * Is collection management a trade or a profession? What's the difference? I imagine that most people you asked "What's the difference between a trade and a profession?" could not give a clear and coherent answer discriminating between them. If I had not seen the definitions you posted, I don't think I could have answered this question, myself, despite 25 years as a collection manager. Frankly, off the top of my head, I would have said that a profession is what you get paid to do - i.e., that's what distinguishes a professional from an amateur. In that sense, trade and profession are synonymous, since I can't imagine calling something a trade if it is not a source of income. I'm not disputing the definitions you gave, just saying that that particular distinction is not intuitive, given the various uses of the word "professional". Peace. -- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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URL: From simmons.johne at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 15:16:44 2024 From: simmons.johne at gmail.com (John E Simmons) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 15:16:44 -0500 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [External] Re: [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession? In-Reply-To: References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> Message-ID: I also agree with Andy. While it is true that you can learn what you need to be a good collection manager on the job, a degree in museum studies gives an immediate advantage in terms of an overall understanding of museum history and function and museum theory and practice. I have taught museum studies classes for 25 years at four universities on two continents (and was the Director of the Museum Studies Program at the University of Kansas from 2201-2007) and have tracked the progress of many students in the museum profession. The museum studies degree gives a definite advantage. For those who already have a masters or PhD and are looking at collection management as a career, I strongly recommend getting at least a graduate certificate in museum studies. --John John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica *and* Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 2:32?PM Tacker, Christopher < christopher.tacker at naturalsciences.org> wrote: > I have to second Andy Bentley -"skills that require a high level of > competency and training." The vibe I get from the Ivory Tower is that > "anyone can do that." After trying to salvage academics' collections when > they retire, I can assure you that not everyone can do the job. > > It is a profession with a proud history. I'm like the idea of > certifications or training that will allow us to argue for higher pay for > our Collection Managers and staff. > > Chris Tacker > > > Chris Tacker* (he, him, his)* > Research Curator, Geology | Ph.D. > North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences | 11 West Jones Street | > Raleigh, NC 27601-1029 > http://www.naturalsciences.org/ > > > NC Department of Natural and Cultural Resources > Office: 919-707-9941 > christopher.tacker at naturalsciences.org > > *Email correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North > Carolina Public* > *Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties* > ------------------------------ > *From:* Nhcoll-l on behalf of > Bentley, Andrew Charles > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2024 2:22 PM > *To:* Liath Appleton ; Dirk Neumann < > d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de> > *Cc:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* [External] Re: [Nhcoll-l] [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [EXTERN] Re: > Collection management: trade or profession? > > CAUTION: External email. Do not click links or open attachments unless > verified. Report suspicious emails with the Report Message button located > on your Outlook menu bar on the Home tab. > > A Museum Studies Master?s degree is exactly that. Provides a theoretical > and practical basis for collection management. This is however only one > route into collection management. > > > > Its is also safe to say that the ?profession? of collection management has > changed dramatically over the last 15-20 years with a lot of emphasis on > digital skills ? databases, digitization, data manipulation, imaging, data > publishing, etc. ? skills that require a high level of competency and > training. > > > > Andy > > A : A : A : > }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> > V V V > Andy Bentley > Ichthyology Collection Manager > University of Kansas > Biodiversity Institute > > Dyche Hall > 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard > Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561 > USA > > Tel: (785) 864-3863 > Fax: (785) 864-5335 > Email: abentley at ku.edu > > ORCID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3093-1258 > > http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu > > A : A : A : > }<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?> > V V V > > > > *From:* Nhcoll-l *On Behalf Of *Liath > Appleton > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2024 12:00 PM > *To:* Dirk Neumann > *Cc:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Collection > management: trade or profession? > > > > Librarians are very similar to Collections Managers. How are Librarians > classified? In the US, qualifications vary, but I think most positions > require a master's degree in Library Sciences. That is not an option for > Collections Managers, at least not yet. > > > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:54?AM Dirk Neumann > wrote: > > aha - more details to answer the question. > > Payment-wise, there is a difference at least in Germany: > > > > A profound technical educated BTA would receive a higher payment level > then a biology bachelor that did not continue to complete the masters > degree. The same applies for good amateurs (e.g. in entomology), which > often are highly, skilled, but do not have the 'technical education' that > would lift them onto a higher payment level. > > > > The payment level for a researcher in Germany is E13 (curator), that of an > BTA is E9, and that of a bachelor or amateur may start at E6 or E8. > > A professional (master) gardener in a botanic garden however may start at > E5 or E6, even though the degree as a trade master as recognised profession > is equivalent at least with a bachelor's degree at university. > > > > Another problem that we have is that at the moment, there is no such > education as 'collection manager' you could graduate from. In the US and > here in Europe, there are Museum Studies programmes, but this is something > different. A good starting point would be having the possibility to qualify > as a proper 'collection manager' as profession. Senckenberg in Frankfurt > does this. Perhaps this would be a suited example for your test case? > > > > With best wishes > > Dirk > > > > > > Am 23.02.2024 um 18:40 schrieb Callomon,Paul: > > ACHTUNG/ATTENTION: Diese E-Mail stammt von einem externen Absender. / > This e-mail comes from an external sender. > > > > Part of the reason for the question is to bring these words into focus. > For some folks, "professional" simply means "paid," and not "amateur." > That's not its actual meaning, though - there are no amateur surgeons or > professional carpenters. > > > > The distinction is important, because we should be thinking harder about > creating more pathways into museum collections management. At present, the > requirements and compensation vary so widely between individual > institutions that it's impossible to say whether this is something that > someone with, say, a high school diploma or an associate's degree could > aspire to. If it isn't - if to be a CM you need a master's or PhD or > "equivalent" - then it's a profession, and we are likely to see the same > demographic as in the other professions. At least we would, if being a CM > paid like being a doctor or lawyer... > > > > *Paul Callomon* > *Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates* > ------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia* > *callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Douglas Yanega > > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2024 12:31 PM > *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] Collection management: trade or profession? > > > > *External.* > > On 2/23/24 8:34 AM, Callomon,Paul wrote: > > > - Is collection management a trade or a profession? What's the > difference? > > I imagine that most people you asked "What's the difference between a > trade and a profession?" could not give a clear and coherent answer > discriminating between them. If I had not seen the definitions you posted, > I don't think I could have answered this question, myself, despite 25 years > as a collection manager. Frankly, off the top of my head, I would have said > that a profession is what you get paid to do - i.e., that's what > distinguishes a professional from an amateur. In that sense, trade and > profession are synonymous, since I can't imagine calling something a trade > if it is not a source of income. > > > > I'm not disputing the definitions you gave, just saying that that > particular distinction is not intuitive, given the various uses of the word > "professional". > > > > Peace. > > -- > > Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum > > Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega > > phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) > > https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html > > "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness > > is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nhcoll-l mailing list > > Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > > > > -- > > ****** > > > > *Dirk Neumann* > > Collection Manager, Hamburg > > > > Postal address: > > *Museum of Nature Hamburg* > Leibniz Institute for the Analysis > > of Biodiversity Change > > Dirk Neumann > > Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 > > 20146 Hamburg > +49 40 238 317 ? 628 > > *d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de * > > www.leibniz-lib.de > > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) > Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn > Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst > > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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URL: From collectionslitclub at gmail.com Sat Feb 24 19:55:12 2024 From: collectionslitclub at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Laura_Rinc=C3=B3n?=) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2024 19:55:12 -0500 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [External] Re: [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession? In-Reply-To: References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am uncertain about the potential issues that may arise if CM is considered both a trade and a profession. Could this correlation perpetuate low salaries and hinder an understanding of the tasks performed in collections? Having this combination between on-the-job learning and university-trained professionals is a great recipe for me. I like what Liath says about Collections Management (CM) being a specialization within the profession category. For example, my undergrad is in Information and Library Sciences, and I pursued a Master of Arts in Museum Studies. However, during my graduate studies, I discovered my interest in biological collections. Despite the fact that my master's degree did not specifically focus on natural history museums, I decided to gain experience by working at the natural history museum of my university. It would be interesting to explore how an Union or HR decides to assign a title to the CM position. What resources do museums rely on to implement significant changes in titles? There are many titles assigned to specific job positions, and this can vary among natural history museums. Ultimately, it appears that some museums are still grappling with a clear understanding of what CM entails. Very interesting questions and discussions around this topic! Thank you, Laura A. Rinc?n R. | Museum Studies professional Malacology Museum Specialist Division of Invertebrate Zoology American Museum of Natural History Email: lrincon-rodriguez at amnh.org Twitter: @LauRincon222 https://collectionslitclub.wordpress.com/ ?I?ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel? Maya Angelou -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prc44 at drexel.edu Sat Feb 24 21:40:32 2024 From: prc44 at drexel.edu (Callomon,Paul) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 02:40:32 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Collection management: trade or profession? In-Reply-To: References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> Message-ID: The reason I brought up the trade/profession distinction is because the meaning of those two words, which was once so clear (as I defined them before, and based on different career pathways) has become so confused with a similar term as to defy simple definition. When ambiguous terms are involved in discussions of power, however, it's often because their ambiguity makes them useful to the powerful. "Profession" and "professional" are two different and largely unrelated terms, as demonstrated by their antonyms: "profession" vs. "trade" and "professional" vs. "amateur." CMs in many institutions in the USA see themselves as "professionals" because they are in a "profession," but that is to mix the two terms. Collection management in natural history museums is something of a chimaera, in that its practitioners often have and apply a body of knowledge you would expect from someone in a profession (a doctor, lawyer etc.) but are treated by management as tradesmen. A "technician" in the European sense is maybe a more apposite term for this. In the struggle to be recognized and compensated as high-knowledge workers, we maybe do ourselves no favors by using ambiguous terminology. What many people mean by "professional" is "educated and salaried." There is also the social use of the term "professional" with the antonym "unprofessional," which are subjective judgments of behavior unworthy of gentlefolk (and that sporting pair - "gentlemen" vs. "players" - is a synonym of "amateurs" and "professionals.") Incidentally, the use of "professional" for museum curators and staff dates to the late nineteenth century and only means "employed full time" - that is, not amateurs. "Museum curator" has never been considered a profession like law or medicine, as it has no legal privilege. For all their erudition, curators and CMs alike cannot legally perform surgery or prosecute people in court. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Laura Rinc?n Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2024 7:55 PM To: John E Simmons Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [External] Re: [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession? External. I am uncertain about the potential issues that may arise if CM is considered both a trade and a profession. Could this correlation perpetuate low salaries and hinder an understanding of the tasks performed in collections? Having this combination between on-the-job learning and university-trained professionals is a great recipe for me. I like what Liath says about Collections Management (CM) being a specialization within the profession category. For example, my undergrad is in Information and Library Sciences, and I pursued a Master of Arts in Museum Studies. However, during my graduate studies, I discovered my interest in biological collections. Despite the fact that my master's degree did not specifically focus on natural history museums, I decided to gain experience by working at the natural history museum of my university. It would be interesting to explore how an Union or HR decides to assign a title to the CM position. What resources do museums rely on to implement significant changes in titles? There are many titles assigned to specific job positions, and this can vary among natural history museums. Ultimately, it appears that some museums are still grappling with a clear understanding of what CM entails. Very interesting questions and discussions around this topic! Thank you, Laura A. Rinc?n R. | Museum Studies professional Malacology Museum Specialist Division of Invertebrate Zoology American Museum of Natural History Email: lrincon-rodriguez at amnh.org Twitter: @LauRincon222 https://collectionslitclub.wordpress.com/ ?I?ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel? Maya Angelou -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de Mon Feb 26 02:02:53 2024 From: d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de (Dirk Neumann) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 08:02:53 +0100 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Collection management: trade or profession? In-Reply-To: References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> Message-ID: Personally, I think Collection Management now occupies what formerly has been understood as Curator in the original Latin meaning, i.e. the person that 'takes care', 'maintains' and 'heals' the collection, while curators evolved more into (strong) research positions. In some countries, where the CM have been the curators, this trend is reversed by cutting researcher positions and hiring researchers as 'curators' (and paying them less, while loosing professional staff to maintain the collections). Indeed, I would agree with Paul that there is no proper real recognition of the profession 'collection manager', but many ways to grow into this very complex employment position that requires a lot of skills and knowledge, ranging from biology, organic and inorganic chemistry, conservation, management plus all the skills a good librarian needs to keep on track with things, to understand a complex history of a collection, etc. And he is probably right that there is no proper profession for 'curators' either - which may explain why basic requirements to curate a collection often are not well understood by some curators either. And if there is no proper professional education for collection management that is suited to certify that a specific knowledge has been obtained, it is difficult to demonstrate it (both, payment-wise and profession-wise). Perhaps graduating from a museum studies program is as close as you can get? All the best Dirk Am 25.02.2024 um 03:40 schrieb Callomon,Paul: The reason I brought up the trade/profession distinction is because the meaning of those two words, which was once so clear (as I defined them before, and based on different career pathways) has become so confused with a similar term as to defy simple definition. When ambiguous terms are involved in discussions of power, however, it's often because their ambiguity makes them useful to the powerful. "Profession" and "professional" are two different and largely unrelated terms, as demonstrated by their antonyms: "profession" vs. "trade" and "professional" vs. "amateur." CMs in many institutions in the USA see themselves as "professionals" because they are in a "profession," but that is to mix the two terms. Collection management in natural history museums is something of a chimaera, in that its practitioners often have and apply a body of knowledge you would expect from someone in a profession (a doctor, lawyer etc.) but are treated by management as tradesmen. A "technician" in the European sense is maybe a more apposite term for this. In the struggle to be recognized and compensated as high-knowledge workers, we maybe do ourselves no favors by using ambiguous terminology. What many people mean by "professional" is "educated and salaried." There is also the social use of the term "professional" with the antonym "unprofessional," which are subjective judgments of behavior unworthy of gentlefolk (and that sporting pair - "gentlemen" vs. "players" - is a synonym of "amateurs" and "professionals.") Incidentally, the use of "professional" for museum curators and staff dates to the late nineteenth century and only means "employed full time" - that is, not amateurs. "Museum curator" has never been considered a profession like law or medicine, as it has no legal privilege. For all their erudition, curators and CMs alike cannot legally perform surgery or prosecute people in court. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Laura Rinc?n Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2024 7:55 PM To: John E Simmons Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [External] Re: [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession? External. I am uncertain about the potential issues that may arise if CM is considered both a trade and a profession. Could this correlation perpetuate low salaries and hinder an understanding of the tasks performed in collections? Having this combination between on-the-job learning and university-trained professionals is a great recipe for me. I like what Liath says about Collections Management (CM) being a specialization within the profession category. For example, my undergrad is in Information and Library Sciences, and I pursued a Master of Arts in Museum Studies. However, during my graduate studies, I discovered my interest in biological collections. Despite the fact that my master's degree did not specifically focus on natural history museums, I decided to gain experience by working at the natural history museum of my university. It would be interesting to explore how an Union or HR decides to assign a title to the CM position. What resources do museums rely on to implement significant changes in titles? There are many titles assigned to specific job positions, and this can vary among natural history museums. Ultimately, it appears that some museums are still grappling with a clear understanding of what CM entails. Very interesting questions and discussions around this topic! Thank you, Laura A. Rinc?n R. | Museum Studies professional Malacology Museum Specialist Division of Invertebrate Zoology American Museum of Natural History Email: lrincon-rodriguez at amnh.org Twitter: @LauRincon222 https://collectionslitclub.wordpress.com/ ?I?ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel? Maya Angelou _______________________________________________ Nhcoll-l mailing list Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu https://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l _______________________________________________ NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. -- **** Dirk Neumann Collection Manager, Hamburg Postal address: Museum of Nature Hamburg Leibniz Institute for the Analysis of Biodiversity Change Dirk Neumann Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 20146 Hamburg +49 40 238 317 ? 628 d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de www.leibniz-lib.de -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst -- Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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To people outside of the museum world, I say that I curate collections. ---Liath On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 1:03?AM Dirk Neumann wrote: > Personally, I think Collection Management now occupies what formerly has > been understood as Curator in the original Latin meaning, i.e. the person > that 'takes care', 'maintains' and 'heals' the collection, while curators > evolved more into (strong) research positions. In some countries, where the > CM have been the curators, this trend is reversed by cutting researcher > positions and hiring researchers as 'curators' (and paying them less, while > loosing professional staff to maintain the collections). > > Indeed, I would agree with Paul that there is no proper real recognition > of the profession 'collection manager', but many ways to grow into this > very complex employment position that requires a lot of skills and > knowledge, ranging from biology, organic and inorganic chemistry, > conservation, management plus all the skills a good librarian needs to keep > on track with things, to understand a complex history of a collection, etc. > And he is probably right that there is no proper profession for 'curators' > either - which may explain why basic requirements to curate a collection > often are not well understood by some curators either. > > And if there is no proper professional education for collection management > that is suited to certify that a specific knowledge has been obtained, it > is difficult to demonstrate it (both, payment-wise and profession-wise). > Perhaps graduating from a museum studies program is as close as you can get? > > All the best > Dirk > > > > Am 25.02.2024 um 03:40 schrieb Callomon,Paul: > > The reason I brought up the trade/profession distinction is because the > meaning of those two words, which was once so clear (as I defined them > before, and based on different career pathways) has become so confused with > a similar term as to defy simple definition. When ambiguous terms are > involved in discussions of power, however, it's often because their > ambiguity makes them useful to the powerful. > > "Profession" and "professional" are two different and largely unrelated > terms, as demonstrated by their antonyms: "profession" vs. "trade" and > "professional" vs. "amateur." CMs in many institutions in the USA see > themselves as "professionals" because they are in a "profession," but that > is to mix the two terms. Collection management in natural history museums > is something of a chimaera, in that its practitioners often have and apply > a body of knowledge you would expect from someone in a profession (a > doctor, lawyer etc.) but are treated by management as tradesmen. A > "technician" in the European sense is maybe a more apposite term for this. > > In the struggle to be recognized and compensated as high-knowledge > workers, we maybe do ourselves no favors by using ambiguous terminology. > What many people mean by "professional" is "educated and salaried." There > is also the social use of the term "professional" with the antonym > "unprofessional," which are subjective judgments of behavior unworthy of > gentlefolk (and that sporting pair - "gentlemen" vs. "players" - is a > synonym of "amateurs" and "professionals.") > > Incidentally, the use of "professional" for museum curators and staff > dates to the late nineteenth century and only means "employed full time" - > that is, not amateurs. "Museum curator" has never been considered a > profession like law or medicine, as it has no legal privilege. For all > their erudition, curators and CMs alike cannot legally perform surgery or > prosecute people in court. > > *Paul Callomon* > *Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates* > ------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia* > *callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Laura Rinc?n > > *Sent:* Saturday, February 24, 2024 7:55 PM > *To:* John E Simmons > *Cc:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] [External] Re: [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [EXTERN] > Re: Collection management: trade or profession? > > > External. > I am uncertain about the potential issues that may arise if CM is > considered both a trade and a profession. Could this correlation perpetuate > low salaries and hinder an understanding of the tasks performed in > collections? > > Having this combination between on-the-job learning and university-trained > professionals is a great recipe for me. I like what Liath says about > Collections Management (CM) being a specialization within the profession > category. For example, my undergrad is in Information and Library Sciences, > and I pursued a Master of Arts in Museum Studies. However, during my > graduate studies, I discovered my interest in biological collections. > Despite the fact that my master's degree did not specifically focus on > natural history museums, I decided to gain experience by working at the > natural history museum of my university. > > It would be interesting to explore how an Union or HR decides to assign a > title to the CM position. What resources do museums rely on to implement > significant changes in titles? There are many titles assigned to specific > job positions, and this can vary among natural history museums. Ultimately, > it appears that some museums are still grappling with a clear understanding > of what CM entails. > > Very interesting questions and discussions around this topic! > > Thank you, > > > Laura A. Rinc?n R. | Museum Studies professional > > Malacology Museum Specialist > > Division of Invertebrate Zoology > > American Museum of Natural History > > > > Email: lrincon-rodriguez at amnh.org > Twitter: @LauRincon222 > > > > https://collectionslitclub.wordpress.com/ > > > > ?I?ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget > what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel? Maya > Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > Nhcoll-l mailing listNhcoll-l at mailman.yale.eduhttps://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l > > _______________________________________________ > NHCOLL-L is brought to you by the Society for the Preservation of > Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose > mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of > natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to > society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information. > Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate. > > > -- > > ****** > > > > *Dirk Neumann* > > Collection Manager, Hamburg > > > > Postal address: > > *Museum of Nature Hamburg* > Leibniz Institute for the Analysis > > of Biodiversity Change > > Dirk Neumann > > Martin-Luther-King-Platz 3 > > 20146 Hamburg > +49 40 238 317 ? 628 > > *d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de * > > www.leibniz-lib.de > > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. Gesch?ftsf?hrer) > Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn > Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst > > > -- > Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversit?tswandels > Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany > > Stiftung des ?ffentlichen Rechts; > Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian > Gr?ter (Kaufm. 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URL: From simmons.johne at gmail.com Mon Feb 26 13:42:21 2024 From: simmons.johne at gmail.com (John E Simmons) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 13:42:21 -0500 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Collection management: trade or profession? In-Reply-To: References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> Message-ID: Paul, I am not sure what it is you are really asking. Using the definitions of trade and profession in your original email, the answer is that collection management is neither a trade or a profession. Collection management is not a trade because there is no apprenticeship, journeyman period, or other qualification that one has achieved mastery. Similarly, collection management is not a profession because it lacks a professional qualification (as in your examples of MD, JD, CPA, etc.), but of course by this definition researcher, administration, and so forth are not professions either. What you have presented is really a false dichotomy, if we use your definitions. Collection management is a profession, by the criteria that I listed in my response on 23 February. As for curation, I agree with others that the definition here is highly variable from one museum to another. Dirk is correct that the word means ?caring for something,? and originally those called museum curators were called that because their job was to care for the collection (in the UK, that title was usually keeper). What we find now in museums is that ?curation? means many things, from collection care to research. The title alone does not tell you what the person does. We see a similar thing with other titles for people caring for collections. When I advise students, I tell them to ignore job titles and read the job description. Often the same duties are described for the person with the title collection manager, curator, registrar, curatorial associate, and so on. But back to the issue of the question you asked, ?Is collection management a trade or a profession? What?s the difference?? The way the terms trade and profession are used on by the majority of people and institutions do not conform to the very limited definitions you proposed. Most people would probably say that collection management (and research and administration) are professions, based on the way we routinely use the words. For example, these are the definitions from the Oxford English Dictionary: *Profession: *?A vocation, a calling, esp. one requiring advanced knowledge or training in some branch of learning or science, spec. law, theology, or medicine: gen. any occupation as a means of earning a living.? *Trade: *?The habitual practice of an occupation, business, or profession, esp. as a means of livelihood or gain. Now usu. a mercantile occupation or skilled handicraft (esp. one requiring an apprenticeship), as distinct from a profession, or skilled handicraft, as distinct from any other occupation.? There are more detailed definitions of profession and trade, but these are not reflective of common use of the terms nor do they conform to the way they are used in museums. By the more detailed definitions, collection management, curation, and research are neither trades or professions. Here are the definitions from Wikipedia, that Knower of All Things (and note that the following definitions are not supported by English language dictionaries): *Profession: *?A *profession* is a field of work that has been successfully *professionalized*. It can be defined as a disciplined group of individuals, *professionals*, who adhere to ethical standards and who hold themselves out as, and are accepted by the public as possessing special knowledge and skills in a widely recognised body of learning derived from research, education and training at a high level, and who are prepared to apply this knowledge and exercise these skills in the interest of others? Professional occupations are founded upon specialized educational training, the purpose of which is to supply disinterested objective counsel and service to others, for a direct and definite compensation, wholly apart from expectation of other business gain. Medieval and early modern tradition recognized only three professions: divinity, medicine, and law, which are called the *learned professions*. A profession is not a trade or an industry.? What makes collection management, curation, and research fail to qualify as professions is what the Wikipedia site goes on to say is ?the process of professionalization?: ?Major milestones which may mark an occupation being identified as a profession include: 1. an occupation becomes a full-time occupation 2. the establishment of a training school 3. the establishment of a university school 4. the establishment of a local association 5. the establishment of a national association of professional ethics 6. the establishment of state licensing laws? It is the last one (state licensing laws? that excludes nearly educated profession except medical doctors, lawyers, and CPAs, unless you want to throw in engineers and a few other ?professions.? The Wikipedia definition of trade, significantly, is under the heading of Craft: ?A *craft* or *trade* is a pastime or an occupation that requires particular skills and knowledge of skilled work. In a historical sense, particularly the Middle Ages and earlier, the term is usually applied to people occupied in small scale production of goods, or their maintenance, for example by tinkers. The traditional term *craftsman* is nowadays often replaced by *artisan* and by *craftsperson*? When an apprentice finished their apprenticeship, they became a journeyman searching for a place to set up their own shop and make a living. After setting up their own shop, they could then call themselves a master of their craft.? --John John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica *and* Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:40?PM Callomon,Paul wrote: > The reason I brought up the trade/profession distinction is because the > meaning of those two words, which was once so clear (as I defined them > before, and based on different career pathways) has become so confused with > a similar term as to defy simple definition. When ambiguous terms are > involved in discussions of power, however, it's often because their > ambiguity makes them useful to the powerful. > > "Profession" and "professional" are two different and largely unrelated > terms, as demonstrated by their antonyms: "profession" vs. "trade" and > "professional" vs. "amateur." CMs in many institutions in the USA see > themselves as "professionals" because they are in a "profession," but that > is to mix the two terms. Collection management in natural history museums > is something of a chimaera, in that its practitioners often have and apply > a body of knowledge you would expect from someone in a profession (a > doctor, lawyer etc.) but are treated by management as tradesmen. A > "technician" in the European sense is maybe a more apposite term for this. > > In the struggle to be recognized and compensated as high-knowledge > workers, we maybe do ourselves no favors by using ambiguous terminology. > What many people mean by "professional" is "educated and salaried." There > is also the social use of the term "professional" with the antonym > "unprofessional," which are subjective judgments of behavior unworthy of > gentlefolk (and that sporting pair - "gentlemen" vs. "players" - is a > synonym of "amateurs" and "professionals.") > > Incidentally, the use of "professional" for museum curators and staff > dates to the late nineteenth century and only means "employed full time" - > that is, not amateurs. "Museum curator" has never been considered a > profession like law or medicine, as it has no legal privilege. For all > their erudition, curators and CMs alike cannot legally perform surgery or > prosecute people in court. > > *Paul Callomon* > *Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates* > ------------------------------ > > *Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia* > *callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170* > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Nhcoll-l on behalf of Laura > Rinc?n > *Sent:* Saturday, February 24, 2024 7:55 PM > *To:* John E Simmons > *Cc:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Nhcoll-l] [External] Re: [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [EXTERN] > Re: Collection management: trade or profession? > > > External. > I am uncertain about the potential issues that may arise if CM is > considered both a trade and a profession. Could this correlation perpetuate > low salaries and hinder an understanding of the tasks performed in > collections? > > Having this combination between on-the-job learning and university-trained > professionals is a great recipe for me. I like what Liath says about > Collections Management (CM) being a specialization within the profession > category. For example, my undergrad is in Information and Library Sciences, > and I pursued a Master of Arts in Museum Studies. However, during my > graduate studies, I discovered my interest in biological collections. > Despite the fact that my master's degree did not specifically focus on > natural history museums, I decided to gain experience by working at the > natural history museum of my university. > > It would be interesting to explore how an Union or HR decides to assign a > title to the CM position. What resources do museums rely on to implement > significant changes in titles? There are many titles assigned to specific > job positions, and this can vary among natural history museums. Ultimately, > it appears that some museums are still grappling with a clear understanding > of what CM entails. > > Very interesting questions and discussions around this topic! > > Thank you, > > > Laura A. Rinc?n R. | Museum Studies professional > > Malacology Museum Specialist > > Division of Invertebrate Zoology > > American Museum of Natural History > > > > Email: lrincon-rodriguez at amnh.org > Twitter: @LauRincon222 > > > > https://collectionslitclub.wordpress.com/ > > > > ?I?ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget > what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel? Maya > Angelou > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoobs.1 at osu.edu Tue Feb 27 09:39:20 2024 From: shoobs.1 at osu.edu (Shoobs, Nate) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:39:20 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Collection management: trade or profession? In-Reply-To: References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think what John articulated here is correct but perhaps unfortunate. I would love it if there were an international guild of museum curatorial staff that had an apprenticeship system. (Or, alternatively, if collections management were professionalized to a greater degree and we became similar to university professors, art museum curators, or librarians.) But neither scenario is currently the case. It seems clear that: 1. there is a huge degree of variation in the way institutions treat collections staff, but that by and large, institutions tend to undervalue and poorly treat collections staff compared to, say, collections-affiliated faculty (in university affiliated collections, or in freestanding museums with academic rank systems that divide staff and faculty), and 2. we should collectively make it a priority to advance our field in a way that makes careers in collections work more accessible for newcomers and more economically sustainable / professionally fulfilling / for existing practitioners. I think it is interesting to note the discrepancy between the public?s conception of our work and our professional treatment. I have rarely encountered someone who didn?t think collections work was the coolest job someone could possibly have. But we can?t eat ?coolness?. The poor compensation and lack of professional autonomy that many collections staff experience is a serious problem in the field. I wonder how people in SPNHC might view something like professional certifications akin to those employed by the Ecological Society of America, as a route towards professionalization: https://www.esa.org/certification/certification-requirements-checklist/ These are certifications that are meant to guarantee that the certified practitioner has a certain level of expertise in a shared body of knowledge. These certs are held by academics, government ecologists, and ecologists in private industry, and often form a prerequisite for hiring at certain levels. There is an effort right now in the Freshwater Mollusk Conservation Society to implement a similar certification for 'Professional Malacologist' (in the sense of a professional freshwater mussel surveyor skilled in freshwater mussel identification and field survey methods, commonly used in the US environmental consulting field). Maybe SPNHC would benefit from this, or maybe not. I don't personally think professionalization necessarily guarantees better treatment or better pay, and it could serve as an unnecessary barrier to entry for newcomers to the field. (Ex. The medical field in the US professionalized in response to a perceived excess of doctors in the late 19th and early 20th century, and the result of that professionalization is the high-cost, inefficient, and exclusive system we have today, where the supply of doctors is artificially limited by the American Medical Association in order to keep average compensation high.) -Nate - Nathaniel F. Shoobs, Curator of Mollusks College of Arts & Sciences Dept. of Evolution, Ecology, and Organismal Biology, The Ohio State University Museum of Biological Diversity 1315 Kinnear Rd, Columbus, OH 43212 614-688-1342 (Office) mbd.osu.edu ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of John E Simmons Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 1:42:21 PM To: Callomon,Paul Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Collection management: trade or profession? Paul, I am not sure what it is you are really asking. Using the definitions of trade and profession in your original email, the answer is that collection management is neither a trade or a profession. Collection management is not a trade because Paul, I am not sure what it is you are really asking. Using the definitions of trade and profession in your original email, the answer is that collection management is neither a trade or a profession. Collection management is not a trade because there is no apprenticeship, journeyman period, or other qualification that one has achieved mastery. Similarly, collection management is not a profession because it lacks a professional qualification (as in your examples of MD, JD, CPA, etc.), but of course by this definition researcher, administration, and so forth are not professions either. What you have presented is really a false dichotomy, if we use your definitions. Collection management is a profession, by the criteria that I listed in my response on 23 February. As for curation, I agree with others that the definition here is highly variable from one museum to another. Dirk is correct that the word means ?caring for something,? and originally those called museum curators were called that because their job was to care for the collection (in the UK, that title was usually keeper). What we find now in museums is that ?curation? means many things, from collection care to research. The title alone does not tell you what the person does. We see a similar thing with other titles for people caring for collections. When I advise students, I tell them to ignore job titles and read the job description. Often the same duties are described for the person with the title collection manager, curator, registrar, curatorial associate, and so on. But back to the issue of the question you asked, ?Is collection management a trade or a profession? What?s the difference?? The way the terms trade and profession are used on by the majority of people and institutions do not conform to the very limited definitions you proposed. Most people would probably say that collection management (and research and administration) are professions, based on the way we routinely use the words. For example, these are the definitions from the Oxford English Dictionary: Profession: ?A vocation, a calling, esp. one requiring advanced knowledge or training in some branch of learning or science, spec. law, theology, or medicine: gen. any occupation as a means of earning a living.? Trade: ?The habitual practice of an occupation, business, or profession, esp. as a means of livelihood or gain. Now usu. a mercantile occupation or skilled handicraft (esp. one requiring an apprenticeship), as distinct from a profession, or skilled handicraft, as distinct from any other occupation.? There are more detailed definitions of profession and trade, but these are not reflective of common use of the terms nor do they conform to the way they are used in museums. By the more detailed definitions, collection management, curation, and research are neither trades or professions. Here are the definitions from Wikipedia, that Knower of All Things (and note that the following definitions are not supported by English language dictionaries): Profession: ?A profession is a field of work that has been successfully professionalized. It can be defined as a disciplined group of individuals, professionals, who adhere to ethical standards and who hold themselves out as, and are accepted by the public as possessing special knowledge and skills in a widely recognised body of learning derived from research, education and training at a high level, and who are prepared to apply this knowledge and exercise these skills in the interest of others? Professional occupations are founded upon specialized educational training, the purpose of which is to supply disinterested objective counsel and service to others, for a direct and definite compensation, wholly apart from expectation of other business gain. Medieval and early modern tradition recognized only three professions: divinity, medicine, and law, which are called the learned professions. A profession is not a trade or an industry.? What makes collection management, curation, and research fail to qualify as professions is what the Wikipedia site goes on to say is ?the process of professionalization?: ?Major milestones which may mark an occupation being identified as a profession include: 1. an occupation becomes a full-time occupation 2. the establishment of a training school 3. the establishment of a university school 4. the establishment of a local association 5. the establishment of a national association of professional ethics 6. the establishment of state licensing laws? It is the last one (state licensing laws? that excludes nearly educated profession except medical doctors, lawyers, and CPAs, unless you want to throw in engineers and a few other ?professions.? The Wikipedia definition of trade, significantly, is under the heading of Craft: ?A craft or trade is a pastime or an occupation that requires particular skills and knowledge of skilled work. In a historical sense, particularly the Middle Ages and earlier, the term is usually applied to people occupied in small scale production of goods, or their maintenance, for example by tinkers. The traditional term craftsman is nowadays often replaced by artisan and by craftsperson? When an apprentice finished their apprenticeship, they became a journeyman searching for a place to set up their own shop and make a living. After setting up their own shop, they could then call themselves a master of their craft.? --John John E. Simmons Writer and Museum Consultant Museologica and Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:40?PM Callomon,Paul > wrote: The reason I brought up the trade/profession distinction is because the meaning of those two words, which was once so clear (as I defined them before, and based on different career pathways) has become so confused with a similar term as to defy simple definition. When ambiguous terms are involved in discussions of power, however, it's often because their ambiguity makes them useful to the powerful. "Profession" and "professional" are two different and largely unrelated terms, as demonstrated by their antonyms: "profession" vs. "trade" and "professional" vs. "amateur." CMs in many institutions in the USA see themselves as "professionals" because they are in a "profession," but that is to mix the two terms. Collection management in natural history museums is something of a chimaera, in that its practitioners often have and apply a body of knowledge you would expect from someone in a profession (a doctor, lawyer etc.) but are treated by management as tradesmen. A "technician" in the European sense is maybe a more apposite term for this. In the struggle to be recognized and compensated as high-knowledge workers, we maybe do ourselves no favors by using ambiguous terminology. What many people mean by "professional" is "educated and salaried." There is also the social use of the term "professional" with the antonym "unprofessional," which are subjective judgments of behavior unworthy of gentlefolk (and that sporting pair - "gentlemen" vs. "players" - is a synonym of "amateurs" and "professionals.") Incidentally, the use of "professional" for museum curators and staff dates to the late nineteenth century and only means "employed full time" - that is, not amateurs. "Museum curator" has never been considered a profession like law or medicine, as it has no legal privilege. For all their erudition, curators and CMs alike cannot legally perform surgery or prosecute people in court. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l > on behalf of Laura Rinc?n > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2024 7:55 PM To: John E Simmons > Cc: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu > Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] [External] Re: [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession? External. I am uncertain about the potential issues that may arise if CM is considered both a trade and a profession. Could this correlation perpetuate low salaries and hinder an understanding of the tasks performed in collections? Having this combination between on-the-job learning and university-trained professionals is a great recipe for me. I like what Liath says about Collections Management (CM) being a specialization within the profession category. For example, my undergrad is in Information and Library Sciences, and I pursued a Master of Arts in Museum Studies. However, during my graduate studies, I discovered my interest in biological collections. Despite the fact that my master's degree did not specifically focus on natural history museums, I decided to gain experience by working at the natural history museum of my university. It would be interesting to explore how an Union or HR decides to assign a title to the CM position. What resources do museums rely on to implement significant changes in titles? There are many titles assigned to specific job positions, and this can vary among natural history museums. Ultimately, it appears that some museums are still grappling with a clear understanding of what CM entails. Very interesting questions and discussions around this topic! Thank you, Laura A. Rinc?n R. | Museum Studies professional Malacology Museum Specialist Division of Invertebrate Zoology American Museum of Natural History Email: lrincon-rodriguez at amnh.org Twitter: @LauRincon222 https://collectionslitclub.wordpress.com/ ?I?ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel? Maya Angelou -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dyanega at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 10:48:43 2024 From: dyanega at gmail.com (Douglas Yanega) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 07:48:43 -0800 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] filling the gap (Re: Collection management: trade or profession?) In-Reply-To: References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/27/24 6:39 AM, Shoobs, Nate wrote: > ?I think what John articulated here is correct but perhaps unfortunate. > I would love it if there were an international guild of museum > curatorial staff that had an apprenticeship system. (Or, > alternatively, if collections management were professionalized to a > greater degree and we became similar to university professors, art > museum curators, or librarians.) But neither scenario is currently the > case. > Not currently the case, but there are things that somewhat fill that void. At the risk of a little institutional self-promotion, allow me to post something from one of our campus student organizations: "The Natural History Museum Club at UCR is a local branch of the Natural History Collections Care Network. Our activities include volunteering in collections on campus (such as the geology collection, entomology museum, and herbarium), museum science workshops, and tours and/or field trips to museums on and off-campus. The purposes of the Natural History Museum Club at UCR organization shall be: I. To provide multidisciplinary education, training, access, and opportunities for museum work to students which would otherwise be inaccessible or limited in scope II. To interface with a nationwide network of like clubs on other university campuses III. To facilitate interactions between undergraduates, graduates, staff, and faculty in fields utilizing natural history collections IV. To further the goals of campus natural history museums" I see from the NHCCN website (https://thenhccn.wixsite.com/nhccn/clubs) that at present there are only seven affiliated chapters, but it's a fairly new initiative, and hopefully other institutions will sign on. Part of that issue is promoting awareness of the organization, and as I am one of the campus advisers to our chapter, I suppose that?promoting it here in this thread is acceptable and appropriate. These clubs are very much intended to fill the gap at institutions that have campus collections but do not have courses (let alone a degree) in collection management. Our chapter has been active for only a few years, but it has already helped a number of students, as well as collections. The last four museum technicians we've hired have all been students in our campus chapter, and I think the herbarium and geology collection on campus have also hired NHMC members. This gets us very motivated?technicians, and gives them something tangible for their CVs, plus the potential for a very meaningful letter of recommendation, should they need one. I encourage people to consider looking into joining this network, and I can vouch for its benefits. It may not be much, but it's a positive step, for sure. Given time and a critical mass of members, I can imagine it eventually growing into another force for advocacy, which would be a good thing. Peace, -- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From houellette at fau.edu Tue Feb 27 12:30:53 2024 From: houellette at fau.edu (Heather Ouellette) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 17:30:53 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] filling the gap (Re: Collection management: trade or profession?) In-Reply-To: References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> Message-ID: As someone who only recently finally got a full time job in museum collections after years of internships and part time jobs, an apprenticeship program or at least more information on how to get into museum collections work would be great. I wish I had known in grad school about a specific museum studies degree. Instead, I went for a degree in paleontology with a thesis in fossil stabilization. Then I struggled for years to get an actual job in a museum. Is there also possibly a glut of people trying to get into museum collections work, but there aren't enough positions to go around? Heather Ouellette Research Collections Manager FAU Harbour Branch 772-224-2206 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Douglas Yanega Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2024 10:49 am To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] filling the gap (Re: Collection management: trade or profession?) EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. On 2/27/24 6:39 AM, Shoobs, Nate wrote: I think what John articulated here is correct but perhaps unfortunate. I would love it if there were an international guild of museum curatorial staff that had an apprenticeship system. (Or, alternatively, if collections management were professionalized to a greater degree and we became similar to university professors, art museum curators, or librarians.) But neither scenario is currently the case. Not currently the case, but there are things that somewhat fill that void. At the risk of a little institutional self-promotion, allow me to post something from one of our campus student organizations: "The Natural History Museum Club at UCR is a local branch of the Natural History Collections Care Network. Our activities include volunteering in collections on campus (such as the geology collection, entomology museum, and herbarium), museum science workshops, and tours and/or field trips to museums on and off-campus. The purposes of the Natural History Museum Club at UCR organization shall be: I. To provide multidisciplinary education, training, access, and opportunities for museum work to students which would otherwise be inaccessible or limited in scope II. To interface with a nationwide network of like clubs on other university campuses III. To facilitate interactions between undergraduates, graduates, staff, and faculty in fields utilizing natural history collections IV. To further the goals of campus natural history museums" I see from the NHCCN website (https://thenhccn.wixsite.com/nhccn/clubs) that at present there are only seven affiliated chapters, but it's a fairly new initiative, and hopefully other institutions will sign on. Part of that issue is promoting awareness of the organization, and as I am one of the campus advisers to our chapter, I suppose that promoting it here in this thread is acceptable and appropriate. These clubs are very much intended to fill the gap at institutions that have campus collections but do not have courses (let alone a degree) in collection management. Our chapter has been active for only a few years, but it has already helped a number of students, as well as collections. The last four museum technicians we've hired have all been students in our campus chapter, and I think the herbarium and geology collection on campus have also hired NHMC members. This gets us very motivated technicians, and gives them something tangible for their CVs, plus the potential for a very meaningful letter of recommendation, should they need one. I encourage people to consider looking into joining this network, and I can vouch for its benefits. It may not be much, but it's a positive step, for sure. Given time and a critical mass of members, I can imagine it eventually growing into another force for advocacy, which would be a good thing. Peace, -- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <57b54cbd-7f5e-4ad3-908b-9e5925d05105@gmail.com> Message-ID: As the industrial revolution took hold, there arose between the classical "professions" (law, medicine, clergy) and the established "trades" (carpenter, blacksmith, butcher etc) a new category of "managerial professions" - accountant, estimator, process manager etc. - from which we derive modern-day positions like CEO, CFO etc. Simultaneously there emerged a class of "technicians," whose jobs were linked to the safe use of specific technologies - mechanics, X-Ray operators, pilots, ship captains, truck and train drivers, etc. In some cases, such as ship captain, these resembled the classical professions in that you didn't get to legally captain a ship until you'd passed navigation and other maritime exams. In others, such as driving a vehicle over a certain size, you just needed a license to upgrade something (driving a car) you already knew how to do so as to legally operate a certain defined class of machines. Finally, there arose the "creative professions," like photographer, wedding planner, chef and so on, in which you needed no qualification at all to get started and earn money. Collection managers use various technologies, and for some - like working in labs or in the field with students - they need certification. They do not usually work under fixed contracts, nor do they perform iterative and quantifiable tasks such as moving a cargo from point A to point B. Some of their work, like photography and writing museum texts, is creative. They thus defy classification in any of the senses above, and the problem is compounded by the fact that many work for universities or non-profit museums that have no cross-disciplinary job grades and promotion mechanisms such as you find in government workplaces. It might be possible to create some kind of "professional qualification" for CMs, but in the USA at least, unless it was nationally recognized and legally required, there would be no consequences for an institution that ignored it when hiring someone. Like Heather (and myself - MSc in Museum Leadership) you might spend a lot of time and effort to get a qualification that doesn't actually help you get the job you want. CMs are rich in virtue, though, which is its own reward. Paul Callomon Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates ________________________________ Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia callomon at ansp.org Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170 ________________________________ From: Nhcoll-l on behalf of Heather Ouellette Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 12:30 PM To: Douglas Yanega ; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] filling the gap (Re: Collection management: trade or profession?) External. As someone who only recently finally got a full time job in museum collections after years of internships and part time jobs, an apprenticeship program or at least more information on how to get into museum collections work would be great. I wish I had known in grad school about a specific museum studies degree. Instead, I went for a degree in paleontology with a thesis in fossil stabilization. Then I struggled for years to get an actual job in a museum. Is there also possibly a glut of people trying to get into museum collections work, but there aren?t enough positions to go around? Heather Ouellette Research Collections Manager FAU Harbour Branch 772-224-2206 From: Nhcoll-l On Behalf Of Douglas Yanega Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2024 10:49 am To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu Subject: [Nhcoll-l] filling the gap (Re: Collection management: trade or profession?) EXTERNAL EMAIL : Exercise caution when responding, opening links, or opening attachments. On 2/27/24 6:39 AM, Shoobs, Nate wrote: I think what John articulated here is correct but perhaps unfortunate. I would love it if there were an international guild of museum curatorial staff that had an apprenticeship system. (Or, alternatively, if collections management were professionalized to a greater degree and we became similar to university professors, art museum curators, or librarians.) But neither scenario is currently the case. Not currently the case, but there are things that somewhat fill that void. At the risk of a little institutional self-promotion, allow me to post something from one of our campus student organizations: "The Natural History Museum Club at UCR is a local branch of the Natural History Collections Care Network. Our activities include volunteering in collections on campus (such as the geology collection, entomology museum, and herbarium), museum science workshops, and tours and/or field trips to museums on and off-campus. The purposes of the Natural History Museum Club at UCR organization shall be: I. To provide multidisciplinary education, training, access, and opportunities for museum work to students which would otherwise be inaccessible or limited in scope II. To interface with a nationwide network of like clubs on other university campuses III. To facilitate interactions between undergraduates, graduates, staff, and faculty in fields utilizing natural history collections IV. To further the goals of campus natural history museums" I see from the NHCCN website (https://thenhccn.wixsite.com/nhccn/clubs) that at present there are only seven affiliated chapters, but it's a fairly new initiative, and hopefully other institutions will sign on. Part of that issue is promoting awareness of the organization, and as I am one of the campus advisers to our chapter, I suppose that promoting it here in this thread is acceptable and appropriate. These clubs are very much intended to fill the gap at institutions that have campus collections but do not have courses (let alone a degree) in collection management. Our chapter has been active for only a few years, but it has already helped a number of students, as well as collections. The last four museum technicians we've hired have all been students in our campus chapter, and I think the herbarium and geology collection on campus have also hired NHMC members. This gets us very motivated technicians, and gives them something tangible for their CVs, plus the potential for a very meaningful letter of recommendation, should they need one. I encourage people to consider looking into joining this network, and I can vouch for its benefits. It may not be much, but it's a positive step, for sure. Given time and a critical mass of members, I can imagine it eventually growing into another force for advocacy, which would be a good thing. Peace, -- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tonya.Haff at csiro.au Thu Feb 29 00:52:42 2024 From: Tonya.Haff at csiro.au (Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace)) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 05:52:42 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Issues with low temperature treatment? Message-ID: Hello all, I am wondering if any of you can give me feedback how your specimens have responded to low temperature treatment for pests. Specifically, I'm interested in what types of specimens you've used low temperature on (freezing), at what temperatures, and if you've observed any negative effects on your specimens as a result of colder temperatures? I'm especially interested if any of you all use temperatures between -30 and -40C, and whether or not you've noticed any effect on your specimens, relative to say -20C. We are trying to optimise our pest treatment while mitigating risk to our dry specimens, which include pinned insects, study skins, and bones. We will be using refrigerated shipping containers to do this work, which will be on large numbers of specimens at a time. I think we understand the parameters, but I would be very interested to hear especially about direct experience, caveats, things to watch out for, etc. Thanks so much! Tonya ------------------------------------------------- Dr. Tonya M. Haff Collection Manager Australian National Wildlife Collection CSIRO +61(0)419569109 https://www.csiro.au/en/about/facilities-collections/collections/anwc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Joachim.Haendel at zns.uni-halle.de Thu Feb 29 02:02:44 2024 From: Joachim.Haendel at zns.uni-halle.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Joachim=20H=C3=A4ndel?=) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 08:02:44 +0100 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Issues with low temperature treatment? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E02C14020000B3000C1D2C@zuv12.verwaltung.uni-halle.de> Hi Tonya, we have been using this method for over 10 years with very good results. A physicist told me that lower temperatures (-30 ?C) are better than -20 ?C, as smaller ice crystals form here. Above all, it is more effective against collection pests. We freeze the objects at -32 ?C for at least a week. The problem is not actually the freezing, but the thawing. However, condensation forms during thawing, which could damage the objects. It is therefore best to wrap the specimens as tightly as possible in foil, trapping as little air as possible. This should minimize the amount of moisture in the air that condenses during thawing. Condensation can attack the wires inside or soften the objects a little or damage the ink on old labels. It is not necessary to wrap insect-drawers separately in foil (in my opinion!). I have carried out tests and found that the wooden boxes buffer the fluctuations in humidity very well. However, it is important to remove the objects carefully from the freezer (especially delicate insects) and leave them to thaw in peace, as the frozen structures are fragile and can be damaged by vibrations. Good luck Joachim -- Joachim Haendel Center of Natural History Collections of the Martin Luther University (ZNS) - Entomological Collection - Domplatz 4 D-06099 Halle (Saale) Germany Phone: +49 345 - 55 26 447 Email: joachim.haendel at zns.uni-halle.de >>> "Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace)" 29.02.2024, 06:53 >>> Hello all, I am wondering if any of you can give me feedback how your specimens have responded to low temperature treatment for pests. Specifically, I?m interested in what types of specimens you?ve used low temperature on (freezing), at what temperatures, and if you?ve observed any negative effects on your specimens as a result of colder temperatures? I?m especially interested if any of you all use temperatures between -30 and -40C, and whether or not you?ve noticed any effect on your specimens, relative to say -20C. We are trying to optimise our pest treatment while mitigating risk to our dry specimens, which include pinned insects, study skins, and bones. We will be using refrigerated shipping containers to do this work, which will be on large numbers of specimens at a time. I think we understand the parameters, but I would be very interested to hear especially about direct experience, caveats, things to watch out for, etc. Thanks so much! Tonya ------------------------------------------------- Dr. Tonya M. Haff Collection Manager Australian National Wildlife Collection CSIRO +61(0)419569109 https://www.csiro.au/en/about/facilities-collections/collections/anwc [https://www.csiro.au/en/about/facilities-collections/collections/anwc] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p.viscardi at gmail.com Thu Feb 29 11:07:51 2024 From: p.viscardi at gmail.com (Paolo Viscardi) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 16:07:51 +0000 Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Issues with low temperature treatment? In-Reply-To: <65E02C14020000B3000C1D2C@zuv12.verwaltung.uni-halle.de> References: <65E02C14020000B3000C1D2C@zuv12.verwaltung.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: Hi Tonya, Freezing is very effective. We've frozen all sorts of specimens over the years at -30?C, including small dioramas with glass fronts and glass lidded insect drawers. We bag and double seal specimens prior to freezing, partly to manage humidity through the process and partly to prevent meltwater causing damage. We've had very few issues, apart from two problems that occurred when freezing insect drawers. One was that the drawers were individually bagged during the summer, and when frozen the decrease in pressure inside the sealed bag led poorly attached plastazote drawer liners to lift, causing damage to specimens when the pins were pushed against the glass lid (this was totally unexpected!). We addressed this by changing the wrapping protocol, so we wrapped a large computer crate filled with insect drawers rather than individual drawers, which created a much lower pressure differential. The other issue was with carded insect specimens attached with very old animal glue. When freezing at -30?C we found that in a few instances where the adhesive had been applied a little heavy-handedly, the blob of glue failed during freezing. We suspected that the rapid drop to a very low temperature caused internal stresses to develop that overcame the stability of the adhesive causing it to unlace, so we switched the freezing protocol to a longer freeze at -20?C and we did not encounter any further issues. If it's of use we published this in the NatSCA Journal: https://natsca.org/sites/default/files/publications/JoNSC-Vol6-HerreroChandlerViscardi2018.pdf with some images and more details. Cheers, Paolo On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 at 07:03, Joachim H?ndel < Joachim.Haendel at zns.uni-halle.de> wrote: > Hi Tonya, > we have been using this method for over 10 years with very good results. > A physicist told me that lower temperatures (-30 ?C) are better than -20 > ?C, as smaller ice crystals form here. > Above all, it is more effective against collection pests. > We freeze the objects at -32 ?C for at least a week. > The problem is not actually the freezing, but the thawing. > However, condensation forms during thawing, which could damage the > objects. It is therefore best to wrap the specimens as tightly as possible > in foil, trapping as little air as possible. This should minimize the > amount of moisture in the air that condenses during thawing. > Condensation can attack the wires inside or soften the objects a little or > damage the ink on old labels. > > It is not necessary to wrap insect-drawers separately in foil (in my > opinion!). I have carried out tests and found that the wooden boxes buffer > the fluctuations in humidity very well. > > However, it is important to remove the objects carefully from the freezer > (especially delicate insects) and leave them to thaw in peace, as the > frozen structures are fragile and can be damaged by vibrations. > > Good luck > Joachim > > -- > Joachim Haendel > > Center of Natural History Collections > of the Martin Luther University (ZNS) > - Entomological Collection - > > Domplatz 4 > D-06099 Halle (Saale) > Germany > > Phone: +49 345 - 55 26 447 > Email: joachim.haendel at zns.uni-halle.de > > >>> "Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace)" 29.02.2024, 06:53 > >>> > > Hello all, > > > > I am wondering if any of you can give me feedback how your specimens have > responded to low temperature treatment for pests. Specifically, I?m > interested in what types of specimens you?ve used low temperature on > (freezing), at what temperatures, and if you?ve observed any negative > effects on your specimens as a result of colder temperatures? I?m > especially interested if any of you all use temperatures between -30 and > -40C, and whether or not you?ve noticed any effect on your specimens, > relative to say -20C. We are trying to optimise our pest treatment while > mitigating risk to our dry specimens, which include pinned insects, study > skins, and bones. We will be using refrigerated shipping containers to do > this work, which will be on large numbers of specimens at a time. I think > we understand the parameters, but I would be very interested to hear > especially about direct experience, caveats, things to watch out for, etc. > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > Tonya > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Dr. Tonya M. 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