[Nhcoll-l] [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession?
Bentley, Andrew Charles
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Fri Feb 23 14:22:27 EST 2024
A Museum Studies Master’s degree is exactly that. Provides a theoretical and practical basis for collection management. This is however only one route into collection management.
Its is also safe to say that the “profession” of collection management has changed dramatically over the last 15-20 years with a lot of emphasis on digital skills – databases, digitization, data manipulation, imaging, data publishing, etc. – skills that require a high level of competency and training.
Andy
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Subject: [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: Collection management: trade or profession?
Librarians are very similar to Collections Managers. How are Librarians classified? In the US, qualifications vary, but I think most positions require a master's degree in Library Sciences. That is not an option for Collections Managers, at least not yet.
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:54 AM Dirk Neumann <d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de<mailto:d.neumann at leibniz-lib.de>> wrote:
aha - more details to answer the question.
Payment-wise, there is a difference at least in Germany:
A profound technical educated BTA would receive a higher payment level then a biology bachelor that did not continue to complete the masters degree. The same applies for good amateurs (e.g. in entomology), which often are highly, skilled, but do not have the 'technical education' that would lift them onto a higher payment level.
The payment level for a researcher in Germany is E13 (curator), that of an BTA is E9, and that of a bachelor or amateur may start at E6 or E8.
A professional (master) gardener in a botanic garden however may start at E5 or E6, even though the degree as a trade master as recognised profession is equivalent at least with a bachelor's degree at university.
Another problem that we have is that at the moment, there is no such education as 'collection manager' you could graduate from. In the US and here in Europe, there are Museum Studies programmes, but this is something different. A good starting point would be having the possibility to qualify as a proper 'collection manager' as profession. Senckenberg in Frankfurt does this. Perhaps this would be a suited example for your test case?
With best wishes
Dirk
Am 23.02.2024 um 18:40 schrieb Callomon,Paul:
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Part of the reason for the question is to bring these words into focus. For some folks, "professional" simply means "paid," and not "amateur." That's not its actual meaning, though - there are no amateur surgeons or professional carpenters.
The distinction is important, because we should be thinking harder about creating more pathways into museum collections management. At present, the requirements and compensation vary so widely between individual institutions that it's impossible to say whether this is something that someone with, say, a high school diploma or an associate's degree could aspire to. If it isn't - if to be a CM you need a master's or PhD or "equivalent" - then it's a profession, and we are likely to see the same demographic as in the other professions. At least we would, if being a CM paid like being a doctor or lawyer...
Paul Callomon
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On 2/23/24 8:34 AM, Callomon,Paul wrote:
* Is collection management a trade or a profession? What's the difference?
I imagine that most people you asked "What's the difference between a trade and a profession?" could not give a clear and coherent answer discriminating between them. If I had not seen the definitions you posted, I don't think I could have answered this question, myself, despite 25 years as a collection manager. Frankly, off the top of my head, I would have said that a profession is what you get paid to do - i.e., that's what distinguishes a professional from an amateur. In that sense, trade and profession are synonymous, since I can't imagine calling something a trade if it is not a source of income.
I'm not disputing the definitions you gave, just saying that that particular distinction is not intuitive, given the various uses of the word "professional".
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