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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I agree. Here we have a lab that is part of the exhibit floor, with no glass separating us from the public, where we do insect pinning, herbarium preparations and taxidermy. This area is a highlight of the museum experience for many visitors. It is also frequently the only time visitors have seen meat in an unbutchered state so gives us poigniant and customizable opportunities to convey a wide range of natural history messages. Much of this work is done by trained volunteers, always under the supervision of staff. By involving the community in doing prep work and teaching about the issues we increase intuitional capacity. By making it a display we convey our messages even more effectively and increase public support for our institution and mission. All the while, we maintain direct control over specimens, work quality, storage conditions, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>--Steve <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bryant, James<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:18 AM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> O'Brien, Mark; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] outsourcing specimen prep<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>A modest counter proposal: I gather from the </span></font>NCB Naturalis website that the organization portrays itself as a collections-oriented institution, one that exhibits collections for the general public to see. Why, then, should the processing of collections be outsourced and thus hidden that much further from public view? I’d suggest to management turning the processing of specimens into a public program, make it a visible part of the institution’s fundamental services to the public. NCB Naturalis claims it is helping to train biodiversity experts for the future; what better way than exhibit the entire process for the public. The crowd sourcing of the transcription of entomology data through the efforts of Paul Flemons and his team in Australia has obviously been very successful. Why not fully realize this approach to all aspects collections management?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>James<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>James M. Bryant<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>Curator of Natural History<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>Museum Department, City of Riverside<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>3580 Mission Inn Avenue<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>Riverside, CA 92501<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>(951) 826-5273<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>(951) 369-4970 FAX<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:jbryant@riversideca.gov">jbryant@riversideca.gov</a></span></font><font color="#1f497d"><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>O'Brien, Mark<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 07, 2012 8:36 AM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] outsourcing specimen prep<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>My view on this is – we expect that any museum uses well-trained people that have a vested interest in doing things according to the accepted standards of whatever type of taxonomic group they work on. Museums also have a responsibility for documenting the chain of custody and permit process. Yes, there are many tasks that can be done by marginally-trained people, but they are done under the supervision of a curator or collection manager. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I would ask the bean-counters if they would have MacDonald’s cater a state dinner. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Mark F. O'Brien, Collection Manager<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Insect Division, Museum of Zoology<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The University of Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>1109 Geddes Avenue<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1079<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>(734)-647-2199<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Desjardins, R.B.<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 07, 2012 8:00 AM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Nhcoll-l] outsourcing specimen prep<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hello all;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Upper management at my institute would like to being outsourcing all specimen preparation: study skins of vertebrates, spirits for herps and fish, paleo and geo, inverts, everything (except plants, maybe) to save money. I was curious if any other institutes has done this or has experience with anything like this? Personally, I think it is a bad idea (and it seems most folks here agree) but I would love to know if anyone is trying this. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Becky Desjardins<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>NCB Naturalis<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Leiden, Netherlands<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></body></html>