Having collected on National Parks myself, and responding (as collections manager) to queries from NPS regarding our insect collections, the NPS staff that I have spoken with seem content to have a list of specimens with our unique identifiers. They are considered to be on indefinite loan to our museum (no paperwork filed on my part), though still the property of NPS. I was able to dissuade them from insisting on NPS numbers on every specimen since they already have our unique identifiers. As usual, the individual staff are quite reasonable and understanding and can find ways to work within the bureaucracy of their institution. I agree that a "repository agreement" or "indefinite loan" is more in-line with accessioning language than "custodianship", but regardless of the name the authority of the museum holding the materials should be clearly spelled out in the agreement. That is, does the holding institution have the authority to (sub)loan specimens, grant dissections and DNA extraction, etc?<br>
<br>I thought depositing of collected specimens was one of the questions on the NPS permit application. Why are they asking for a loan agreement? Or is this for legacy specimens collected before the current permit application process?<br>
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<div>Why are they just contacting bird collections and not all collections from Federal lands – fish, herps etc.? Or are they? I have not been contacted.</div>
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<div>We were however contacted some time ago and I know there was a lot of discussion at the time of entering into a "repository agreement" (I think this term is much better than custodianship as this is more accepted terminology in natural history collections)
with NPS for all their material. The idea of renumbering or relabeling collections with NPS numbers as well as them making stipulations concerning the loaning of specimens to third parties was dropped after much backlash from the collections community. I
just did a quick search for any emails regarding this but came up empty handed. I will keep looking to see if I can find anything.</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman,Times,serif">Some bird collections have received communications from one of the national parks asking for verification of specimens in the collection that were collected in that national park
and asking the museum to sign a loan agreement. <br>
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Have any other collections received these communications? If so, from which parks?<br>
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You may want to hold off on signing the loan agreements as we are continuing to pursue this alternate "custodianship" agreement and have been making real progress. If you sign the loan agreement, you will be precluding yourself from taking advantage of the
custodianship agreement which is a much better option. At least until the loan agreement expires, or unless the NPS later agrees to terminate the loan agreement and replace it with the custodianship agreement.<br>
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I am guessing that this effort is being made in response to the 2010 report of the Department of the Interior Inspector General that soundly condemned the NPS for having no idea where anything is. I'd give you a link but the DOI IG website is down while being
migrated to another site so it isn't available at the moment. Obviously, it is a good thing that the NPS is taking measures to find out where things are, but it is worrisome that some of you are being asked to sign loan agreements without being told that there
may soon be another option. <br>
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