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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'm sure this has probably been
addressed by a few people already, but our museum has been working
rather closely with the Park Service on a cataloging project for
almost 3 years now. I had really thought that a lot of this "big
push" came as a result of the new 2009 Omnibus Public Land
Management Act, which includes the new Paleontological Resources
Act (hence the geology focus for us). Parks that lacked the
appropriate records for the permits they had on file were
*strongly* encouraged to track those specimens down and obtain
those records. From what I've been told by the NPS folks I work
with, the parks had to identify larger collections that needed
updating or cataloging and hit those first. If you have federal
material and haven't been contacted it could be because your
objects are already very well cataloged, you do not have as many,
or you are just further down on their already very long list.<br>
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We were able to negotiate for a long term repository agreement
that gives us control over loaning and the determinations on
destructive sampling, but some of that may have been due to the
fact that our repository already had federal repository status and
we have several collections from a few other parks and monuments,
as well as verts from BLM land.<br>
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I agree that the indefinite loan or long term (25-30 year)
repository agreement is the way to go. It is my understanding that
they are hoping to get all of the NPS specimens on to agreements
of this type and get everything into their national catalog. I saw
a great presentation a few years back by Greg McDonald, the senior
curator of natural history, on the future partnerships between the
NPS and collection managers at the 2010 Fossil Prep and
Collections Symposium. A few colleagues and I are hoping to also
do a presentation or panel at next year's AMM meeting in Madison,
WI on this very topic. It could also be really beneficial to have
someone from the NPS (like Greg) come and speak at a future SPNHC
or AAM meeting to clarify the questions a lot of people have.<br>
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If anyone wants to contact me directly to ask about the details of
our project, or how we've managed our relationship with the NPS
over the past year or two - please feel free!<br>
all the best,<br>
Carrie<br>
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<address><font face="Georgia"><i><b>Carrie Eaton</b></i></font></address>
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On 11/7/2012 8:00 PM, Peter T Oboyski wrote:<br>
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type="cite">Having collected on National Parks myself, and
responding (as collections manager) to queries from NPS regarding
our insect collections, the NPS staff that I have spoken with seem
content to have a list of specimens with our unique identifiers.
They are considered to be on indefinite loan to our museum (no
paperwork filed on my part), though still the property of NPS. I
was able to dissuade them from insisting on NPS numbers on every
specimen since they already have our unique identifiers. As usual,
the individual staff are quite reasonable and understanding and
can find ways to work within the bureaucracy of their institution.
I agree that a "repository agreement" or "indefinite loan" is more
in-line with accessioning language than "custodianship", but
regardless of the name the authority of the museum holding the
materials should be clearly spelled out in the agreement. That is,
does the holding institution have the authority to (sub)loan
specimens, grant dissections and DNA extraction, etc?<br>
<br>
I thought depositing of collected specimens was one of the
questions on the NPS permit application. Why are they asking for a
loan agreement? Or is this for legacy specimens collected before
the current permit application process?<br>
<br>
Pete<br>
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<div>Why are they just contacting bird collections and
not all collections from Federal lands – fish, herps
etc.? Or are they? I have not been contacted.</div>
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<div>We were however contacted some time ago and I know
there was a lot of discussion at the time of entering
into a "repository agreement" (I think this term is
much better than custodianship as this is more
accepted terminology in natural history collections)
with NPS for all their material. The idea of
renumbering or relabeling collections with NPS numbers
as well as them making stipulations concerning the
loaning of specimens to third parties was dropped
after much backlash from the collections community. I
just did a quick search for any emails regarding this
but came up empty handed. I will keep looking to see
if I can find anything.</div>
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NPS asking for info on your collections?<br>
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face="Times New Roman,Times,serif">Some bird
collections have received communications from
one of the national parks asking for
verification of specimens in the collection that
were collected in that national park and asking
the museum to sign a loan agreement. <br>
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Have any other collections received these
communications? If so, from which parks?<br>
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You may want to hold off on signing the loan
agreements as we are continuing to pursue this
alternate "custodianship" agreement and have
been making real progress. If you sign the loan
agreement, you will be precluding yourself from
taking advantage of the custodianship agreement
which is a much better option. At least until
the loan agreement expires, or unless the NPS
later agrees to terminate the loan agreement and
replace it with the custodianship agreement.<br>
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I am guessing that this effort is being made in
response to the 2010 report of the Department of
the Interior Inspector General that soundly
condemned the NPS for having no idea where
anything is. I'd give you a link but the DOI IG
website is down while being migrated to another
site so it isn't available at the moment.
Obviously, it is a good thing that the NPS is
taking measures to find out where things are,
but it is worrisome that some of you are being
asked to sign loan agreements without being told
that there may soon be another option. <br>
<br>
Ellen<br>
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