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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'm sure this has probably been
      addressed by a few people already, but our museum has been working
      rather closely with the Park Service on a cataloging project for
      almost 3 years now. I had really thought that a lot of this "big
      push" came as a result of the new 2009 Omnibus Public Land
      Management Act, which includes the new Paleontological Resources
      Act (hence the geology focus for us). Parks that lacked the
      appropriate records for the permits they had on file were
      *strongly* encouraged to track those specimens down and obtain
      those records. From what I've been told by the NPS folks I work
      with, the parks had to identify larger collections that needed
      updating or cataloging and hit those first. If you have federal
      material and haven't been contacted it could be because your
      objects are already very well cataloged, you do not have as many,
      or you are just further down on their already very long list.<br>
      <br>
      We were able to negotiate for a long term repository agreement
      that gives us control over loaning and the determinations on
      destructive sampling, but some of that may have been due to the
      fact that our repository already had federal repository status and
      we have several collections from a few other parks and monuments,
      as well as verts from BLM land.<br>
      <br>
      I agree that the indefinite loan or long term (25-30 year)
      repository agreement is the way to go. It is my understanding that
      they are hoping to get all of the NPS specimens on to agreements
      of this type and get everything into their national catalog. I saw
      a great presentation a few years back by Greg McDonald, the senior
      curator of natural history, on the future partnerships between the
      NPS and collection managers at the 2010 Fossil Prep and
      Collections Symposium. A few colleagues and I are hoping to also
      do a presentation or panel at next year's AMM meeting in Madison,
      WI on this very topic. It could also be really beneficial to have
      someone from the NPS (like Greg) come and speak at a future SPNHC
      or AAM meeting to clarify the questions a lot of people have.<br>
      <br>
      If anyone wants to contact me directly to ask about the details of
      our project, or how we've managed our relationship with the NPS
      over the past year or two - please feel free!<br>
      all the best,<br>
      Carrie<br>
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      <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
        <address><font face="Georgia"><i><b>Carrie Eaton</b></i></font></address>
        <address><font face="Georgia"><i><b>Curator, UW Geology Museum</b></i></font></address>
        <address><font face="Georgia"><i>1215 W. Dayton Street</i></font></address>
        <address><font face="Georgia"><i>Madison, WI 53706</i></font></address>
        <address><font face="Georgia"><i>(608) 262.4912</i></font></address>
        <address><b><font color="#3333ff" face="Georgia"><i>carrie@geology.wisc.edu</i></font></b></address>
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      On 11/7/2012 8:00 PM, Peter T Oboyski wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAB3NqE7fsixRRQsur4He8ahR_0OWLVLXHAVG3HyUuGC2XLNcfw@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Having collected on National Parks myself, and
      responding (as collections manager) to queries from NPS regarding
      our insect collections, the NPS staff that I have spoken with seem
      content to have a list of specimens with our unique identifiers.
      They are considered to be on indefinite loan to our museum (no
      paperwork filed on my part), though still the property of NPS. I
      was able to dissuade them from insisting on NPS numbers on every
      specimen since they already have our unique identifiers. As usual,
      the individual staff are quite reasonable and understanding and
      can find ways to work within the bureaucracy of their institution.
      I agree that a "repository agreement" or "indefinite loan" is more
      in-line with accessioning language than "custodianship", but
      regardless of the name the authority of the museum holding the
      materials should be clearly spelled out in the agreement. That is,
      does the holding institution have the authority to (sub)loan
      specimens, grant dissections and DNA extraction, etc?<br>
      <br>
      I thought depositing of collected specimens was one of the
      questions on the NPS permit application. Why are they asking for a
      loan agreement? Or is this for legacy specimens collected before
      the current permit application process?<br>
      <br>
      Pete<br>
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      Peter T Oboyski, PhD<br>
      Collections Manager &amp; Senior Museum Scientist<br>
      Essig Museum of Entomology<br>
      1170 Valley Life Science Building<br>
      University of California, Berkeley<br>
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      Berkeley, CA 94720<br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Bentley,
        Andrew Charles <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:abentley@ku.edu" target="_blank">abentley@ku.edu</a>&gt;</span>
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                <div>Ellen</div>
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                <div>Why are they just contacting bird collections and
                  not all collections from Federal lands &#8211; fish, herps
                  etc.? &nbsp;Or are they? &nbsp;I have not been contacted.</div>
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                <div>We were however contacted some time ago and I know
                  there was a lot of discussion at the time of entering
                  into a "repository agreement" (I think this term is
                  much better than custodianship as this is more
                  accepted terminology in natural history collections)
                  with NPS for all their material. &nbsp;The idea of
                  renumbering or relabeling collections with NPS numbers
                  as well as them making stipulations concerning the
                  loaning of specimens to third parties was dropped
                  after much backlash from the collections community. &nbsp;I
                  just did a quick search for any emails regarding this
                  but came up empty handed. &nbsp;I will keep looking to see
                  if I can find anything.</div>
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                      &nbsp;Andy Bentley<br>
                      &nbsp;Ichthyology Collection Manager<br>
                      &nbsp;University of Kansas<br>
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                <span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Ellen Paul
                &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net" target="_blank">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a>&gt;<br>
                <span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday,
                November 7, 2012 4:04 PM<br>
                <span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu"
                  target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>" &lt;<a
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                  target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>&gt;<br>
                <span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Bulletin
                Board for Bird Collections and Curators &lt;<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:AVECOL-L@LISTSERV.LSU.EDU"
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                <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[Nhcoll-l]
                NPS asking for info on your collections?<br>
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                        collections have received communications from
                        one of the national parks asking for
                        verification of specimens in the collection that
                        were collected in that national park and asking
                        the museum to sign a loan agreement. <br>
                        <br>
                        Have any other collections received these
                        communications? If so, from which parks?<br>
                        <br>
                        You may want to hold off on signing the loan
                        agreements as we are continuing to pursue this
                        alternate "custodianship" agreement and have
                        been making real progress. If you sign the loan
                        agreement, you will be precluding yourself from
                        taking advantage of the custodianship agreement
                        which is a much better option. At least until
                        the loan agreement expires, or unless the NPS
                        later agrees to terminate the loan agreement and
                        replace it with the custodianship agreement.<br>
                        <br>
                        I am guessing that this effort is being made in
                        response to the 2010 report of the Department of
                        the Interior Inspector General that soundly
                        condemned the NPS for having no idea where
                        anything is. I'd give you a link but the DOI IG
                        website is down while being migrated to another
                        site so it isn't available at the moment.
                        Obviously, it is a good thing that the NPS is
                        taking measures to find out where things are,
                        but it is worrisome that some of you are being
                        asked to sign loan agreements without being told
                        that there may soon be another option. <br>
                        <br>
                        Ellen<br>
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Ellen Paul
Executive Director
The Ornithological Council
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net" target="_blank">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a>
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"Providing Scientific Information about Birds<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.nmnh.si.edu/BIRDNET" target="_blank">"
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