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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Our database allows for multiple numbers associated with an object. In such a case, we could assign a new catalog number to the fungus found growing on the insect, but also add the original collection number for the insect. This cross-references the fungus to the insect. I would also go back to the original record for the insect, and annotate it with a cross-reference to the fungus collection number. That way both items are cross-referenced and someone working with either collection is made aware of the connection between the two objects.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Not that I consider this any more “correct” than any of the other answers supplied to this query – but it is another manner to handle to situation, which in my mind seems to work.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bob Glotzhober<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Robert C. Glotzhober<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Senior Curator of Natural History<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ohio Historical Society<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>800 E. 17<sup>th</sup> Ave.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Columbus, Ohio 43211-2474<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ph. 614-298-2054<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>e-Mail: <a href="mailto:bglotzhober@ohiohistory.org"><span style='color:blue'>bglotzhober@ohiohistory.org</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gregory Schneider<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> Lewis-Gentry, Genevieve<br><b>Cc:</b> Natural History Collections Listserv (nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu)<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Databasing Specimens Collected from Other Specimens<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>In my opinion, the collecting event is exactly the same. It is analogous to finding a whole identifiable specimen (ie. a lizard) in the stomach contents of a previously catalogued snake. I would catalogue the lizard separately with the same collecting data as the snake, and cross reference the new entry to the original.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Lewis-Gentry, Genevieve <<a href="mailto:glewis-g@oeb.harvard.edu" target="_blank">glewis-g@oeb.harvard.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Hello everyone,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>We are running into an interesting collections issue for databasing in the Farlow Herbarium and we were wondering how other natural history collections are handling the issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Our example:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Insect specimens were collected, identified, and stored in an entomological collection. Later, the insects were checked for a type of fungus (Laboulbeniales) and when found they were removed and mounted on permanent slides in the fungal collections. What counts as the collecting information? The original collection information for locality etc? (Which is our thought.) Who is the collector? The person who collected the insect or the person who collected the fungus? There are collector numbers for both.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>We assume things like this across other types of natural history collections. (Birds and mites are an example we thought could exist.) We are having it happen here between our herbarium and the entomological collections in the department as well as from loans from other entomology collections who are letting us keep and deposit the fungal material here.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>We want to have the best data we can within our system capabilities as well as match how other collections are handling this type of issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Any thoughts, suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated. I am sure that we are not the only ones with cross collections issues like this.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Thank you so much and let me know if you want more information.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Genevieve</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#7F7F7F'>=================================================<br>Genevieve Lewis-Gentry, Curatorial Assistant<br>Farlow Herbarium, Harvard University Herbaria<br>22 Divinity Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138 U.S.A.<br>Phone: <a href="tel:617-495-2365" target="_blank">617-495-2365</a> Fax: <a href="tel:617-495-9484" target="_blank">617-495-9484</a><br><a href="mailto:glewis-g@oeb.harvard.edu" target="_blank">glewis-g@oeb.harvard.edu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Nhcoll-l mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">Nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br><a href="http://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l" target="_blank">http://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/nhcoll-l</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#500050'>Greg Schneider<br>Division of Reptiles and Amphibians<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#500050'>Museum of Zoology<br>University of Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#500050'>Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1079<br>734 647 1927 734 763 4080 (FAX)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>734 763 0740 (Biodiversity Research Center at Varsity Drive)<br><a href="mailto:ges@umich.edu" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>ges@umich.edu</span></a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#500050'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#500050'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=96 height=97 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CE15AC.C17AC5D0" alt="Description: Description: logocolor"></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#500050'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/rep_amph/index.html" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>www.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/rep_amph/index.html</span></a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#500050'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>