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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">This is a very important point
especially towards use of "genetic resources" and the Access
Benefit Sharing where you / the collection holder is obliged to
keep the linkage of the original sampling location. While
colleagues in the US might not be "suffering" that much from the
Nagoya Protocol (because the US didn't ratify the Rio Convention
and thus will not ratify the Nagoya Protocol either), colleagues
in Europe will be effected receiving materials from outside
Europe.<br>
<br>
Keeping this linkage is crucial for documentation purposes (not
only for cataloguing), which especially applies for parts or
subsequent preparations that are removed later from specimens and
are stored separately <br>
<br>
Dirk<br>
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Am 28.02.2013 22:56, schrieb Mariko Kageyama:<br>
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<div>In addition to all the great suggestions given already, I
should add to point out that if specimens were taken and
separated physically out from original specimens before
original specimens were catalogued and assigned with a unique
collection number, a collector's number or a field number or a
preparator's number series is often primarily used for
inventory tracking and cross-referencing purposes until all
associated specimens are eventually catalogued in respective
collections. It is always important to capture those numbers
in databases when new acquisitions are involved.</div>
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<div class="yiv1193653260MsoNormal"><span
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fields for associated specimens that can include
other specimens collected at the same time, e.g.
mated pairs parent child, fetus, ecto-parasites
etc. These fields contain the catalogue number
and collection and relationship of the specimens
as well as a remarks field that can cover notes
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issue is that whatever procedure you follow you
should be consistent and also make sure detailed
notes on the event, specimens etc. are included so
that years later some poor person has a hope of
figuring out what happened. (we have stuff that
goes back over a hundred years and documentation
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in the case of a fungus that you do need to make
sure that it is part of the original collection
event and not a subsequent infestation.</span></div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Databasing
Specimens Collected from Other Specimens</span></div>
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numbers associated with an object. In such a case,
we could assign a new catalog number to the fungus
found growing on the insect, but also add the
original collection number for the insect. This
cross-references the fungus to the insect. I would
also go back to the original record for the
insect, and annotate it with a cross-reference to
the fungus collection number. That way both items
are cross-referenced and someone working with
either collection is made aware of the connection
between the two objects.</span></div>
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to situation, which in my mind seems to work.</span></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gregory Schneider<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lewis-Gentry, Genevieve<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Databasing
Specimens Collected from Other Specimens</span></div>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span lang="EN-US">In
my opinion, the collecting event is exactly the
same. It is analogous to finding a whole
identifiable specimen (ie. a lizard) in the
stomach contents of a previously catalogued snake.
I would catalogue the lizard separately with the
same collecting data as the snake, and cross
reference the new entry to the original.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1193653260MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM,
Lewis-Gentry, Genevieve <<a
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<div class="yiv1193653260MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family:"Georgia",
"serif";" lang="EN-US">Hello
everyone,</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div class="yiv1193653260MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family:"Georgia",
"serif";" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div class="yiv1193653260MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family:"Georgia",
"serif";" lang="EN-US">We are
running into an interesting collections
issue for databasing in the Farlow Herbarium
and we were wondering how other natural
history collections are handling the issue.</span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div class="yiv1193653260MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family:"Georgia",
"serif";" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div class="yiv1193653260MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family:"Georgia",
"serif";" lang="EN-US">Our
example:</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div class="yiv1193653260MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family:"Georgia",
"serif";" lang="EN-US">Insect
specimens were collected, identified, and
stored in an entomological collection.
Later, the insects were checked for a type
of fungus (Laboulbeniales) and when found
they were removed and mounted on permanent
slides in the fungal collections. What
counts as the collecting information? The
original collection information for locality
etc? (Which is our thought.) Who is the
collector? The person who collected the
insect or the person who collected the
fungus? There are collector numbers for
both.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div class="yiv1193653260MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family:"Georgia",
"serif";" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div class="yiv1193653260MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family:"Georgia",
"serif";" lang="EN-US">We assume
things like this across other types of
natural history collections. (Birds and
mites are an example we thought could
exist.) We are having it happen here between
our herbarium and the entomological
collections in the department as well as
from loans from other entomology collections
who are letting us keep and deposit the
fungal material here.</span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div class="yiv1193653260MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family:"Georgia",
"serif";" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div class="yiv1193653260MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family:"Georgia",
"serif";" lang="EN-US">We want to
have the best data we can within our system
capabilities as well as match how other
collections are handling this type of issue.</span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></div>
<div class="yiv1193653260MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family:"Georgia",
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