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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Sally,<br>
<br>
I know you feel this way and more power to you but a good
repository agreement is still a repository agreement. If you don't
believe me, ask a lawyer. <br>
<br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">The problem with the
repository agreement generally is that regardless of length, it
ultimately allows the removal and relocation of specimens or
entire collections without any say on the part of the museum.
For any reason. For no reason. It is still an "at will"
agreement. At the will of the NPS, you will be permitted to
identify, curate, and store at no cost whatsoever to the NPS,
and at the will of the NPS, you will give it back. And pay for
the shipping. <br>
<br>
One of the key areas of discussion at the 2008 summit was that
the location of a specimen is based on the underlying reason for
its collection and on the scientific purpose for collections
generally. Mere physical proximity to a given park, or the
desire to put all specimens from a given park in one location
would result in reduction of the integrity of the collection for
which it was originally collected. So the most obvious - a
series intended to examine clinal variation will have specimens
from locations along the cline, some of which may have been
collected from one or more parks. If someone now decides that
they want all specimens collected from those parks to be in one
location, then these series are disrupted. Conversely, if the
purpose of the collecting was to document the biodiversity of
the park, then removal of one or more specimens for the purpose,
say (I am obviously making this up) of creating a collection of
all birds found in national parks will undermine the integrity
of the collection that documented the biodiversity of the park.
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It is a longer-term loan agreement and with terms that are
extremely unfavorable to the museums.<br>
<br>
Most museums recognized this fact long ago, and that is what
launched NSCA (then ASOLL) on their effort to negotiate a better
agreement, later taken up by OC and SPNHC and several
institutions.<br>
<br>
<br>
Ellen<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Ellen Paul
Executive Director
The Ornithological Council
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a>
"Providing Scientific Information about Birds<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.nmnh.si.edu/BIRDNET">"
http://www.nmnh.si.edu/BIRDNET"</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi, Karen,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We have had a
successful repository relationship with NPS and with a
number of other Federal, tribal and state agencies for over
thirty years. A lot of this can be worked out in the
agreements you have with the agencies. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Most molding
compounds are not, as you well know, permanent, but there
should be a master <u>cast</u> that is used to create
future molds in good detail and that is used for no other
purpose, in order to preserve fine details as long as
possible. We make this the first cast pulled from the best
mold. The cast <u>would</u> be considered an NPS specimen,
and numbered, tracked and documented as such. Molds in our
holdings are not catalogued in ICMS, and NPS has never asked
us to do so, because (1) they are short-lived, and (2) they
are made by us with our materials, with NPS permission,
under the terms of our agreements. Our NPS partners would
not consider cataloguing molds to be a reasonable or
necessary request, for all the reasons you list. They are
not collections items in and of themselves. We do track them
so that we know which specimen/cast they represent, of
course. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We have found
that good working agreements and good communication mitigate
most of these problems. When in doubt, we call our NPS
partners and almost always get the go-ahead. Usually, when
they ask for more information on what we are doing, it is
because they endorse our activities and want to be able to
report them in their end-of-year accounts, as good examples
of the research and public outreach extended by repository
partners working with NPS collections. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Sally Y.
Shelton, Associate Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Museum of
Geology and Paleontology Research Laboratory<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">South Dakota
School of Mines and Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">501 E. St.
Joseph<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Rapid City,
SD 57701<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Sally.Shelton@sdsmt.edu">Sally.Shelton@sdsmt.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">605.394.2487<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Karen Morton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 06, 2013 10:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NHCOLL-L (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] Molds collected on federal
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear List Members,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We are curious to know what kinds of
protocols other museums are being required to follow regarding
the collecting and cataloging of molds made in the field on
federal lands. In our case we are talking about molds of
fossils, where the fossils are left in situ. All fossils that
are collected have, of course, been assigned NPS numbers by
the appropriate park. For years, however, we have been
cataloging the molds as our own, as well as the casts that
come out of them. Our argument has been that the molds will
eventually decay and become worthless, causing us to have to
de-accession federal property. What do you do with your molds
and casts? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I look forward to hearing what everyone has
to say on the matter.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p>
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