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I concur with Greg, regarding soaking the carcass in beef broth or even blood. However, I also know that our museum separates dermestids working on formalin specimens, because the formalin has the potential to sterilize the beetles. You would not want to
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<div>On Jun 18, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Watkins-Colwell, Gregory wrote:</div>
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it is possible, but it takes a lot of time and effort. ETOH only (i.e. no formalin) works much better. Dermestids will even eat those, but slowly. We even had a cage of dermestids here once upon a time that seemed to prefer specimens with a little ethanol
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I�ve had some luck with formalin-fixed specimens if I soak the skinned specimen in beef broth for a few days and then dry it to go in with the dermestids. But even then
I ended up mostly removing the soft tissue manually.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I think with the material you have I�d do several soaks in water before broth. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
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Is it possible to make a dry skeletal specimen from material that has been fixed in formalin? <o:p></o:p></div>
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A research associate here is receiving some shoulder joints that were dissected out of mammal carcasses. He wants to prepare them as dry skeletons for his research, however the sender preserved the material in formalin before sending (apparently following standard
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Is it possible to safely prepare these as dry skeletal specimens or is the best option to clean any flesh away but preserve the joints in ethanol? I am concerned that residual formalin will remain in the bones even if they are soaked extensively in water prior
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