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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I agree with all Pat says *but* I think
that for the "pre-Act" issues (or pre-CITES listing), the
documentation is rarely available or unequivocal. Easier in my
opinion to just get the permit.<br>
<br>
The USFWS and APHIS websites will get you part of the way there as
to permits, but there is so much more than permits (the infamous
"blue ink" rule, for instance; the which ports/days/times
questions). And there is even erroneous info on some of those
websites, so reliance on them can be problematic. For instance,
there was one USFWS website that for years said you could import
dead scientific specimens through any customs port. Except for one
thing - the regulations said that was the case ONLY for specimens
of species for which no permit was required. I brought this error
to the attention of Law Enforcement at least twice over several
years. Kudos to them for fixing it now but who knows what other
glitches one might encounter on these websites? The agencies are
stretched so thin that it is highly unlikely that they are able to
devote resources to checking and updating websites.<br>
<br>
<br>
Ellen<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Ellen Paul
Executive Director
The Ornithological Council
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a>
"Providing Scientific Information about Birds<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.nmnh.si.edu/BIRDNET">"
http://www.nmnh.si.edu/BIRDNET"</a>
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On 8/27/13 2:59 PM, Nutter, Pat wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">When as the
material collected, and who currently holds the collection?
Are you importing for an exhibit (and planning to
re-export), or are you acquiring the collection?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">For each of the
objects involved you will need to know the species involved,
when the object was collected, and when it last changed
hands. (When the object was last “in commerce” can make a
difference when it comes to permit requirements.) This will
allow you to check whether each species is listed under
CITES, Endangered Species Act, or Migratory Bird Act and
what kind of permit is needed. Lists of covered species are
available through the US fish & Wildlife Service
website(s) and the links Ellen provided below. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> Explore the
USFW and USDA APHIS websites. They can be mind-boggling,
but they will at least give you an idea of what questions
you need to get answered.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> You probably
want to find a good customs broker who has experience
dealing with importing wildlife or fine arts that contain
wildlife parts. (Masterpiece International one firm, and
I’m sure there are more in the New York area.) Having an
experienced customs broker is no substitute for being
familiar with the regulations yourself, but it can certainly
help. Bring them into the process early – they may have
valuable information about what is a realistic timeline.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> The permit
review process with US Fish & Wildlife and USDA APHIS
can take months, so leave yourself plenty of time between
the time you apply for a permit and the time when you need
the collection to travel. If you are planning to import and
then re-export the collection, consider the permit
application and review process when you are making your
plans. If you need to import and then apply for re-export
permits, you don’t want to be stuck with a schedule that
calls for you to export the collection before you have the
permits ready.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> You will also
need to check to see if the exporting country has export
regulations that affect what you are planning to do.
(CITES Appendix I listed species require both an export
permit from the exporting country and an import permit from
U.S.. there may be additional permitting requirements,
depending on what you are exporting and from where.) The
current holder of the collection know or be able to give you
knowledgeable contacts, and a customs broker may have
contacts in the exporting country.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Patricia Nutter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Associate
Registrar, National Museum of Natural History<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ellen Paul<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 27, 2013 1:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:smonson@coleccioncisneros.org">smonson@coleccioncisneros.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] Importing ethnographic
collections - Migratory bird issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What species?<br>
<br>
If they are on the Migratory Bird Treaty Act list (<b><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/regulationspolicies/mbta/mbtandx.html">http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/regulationspolicies/mbta/mbtandx.html</a></b>)
then you need this permit:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-6.pdf">http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-6.pdf</a><br>
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If they are protected under the Endangered Species Act (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fws.gov/endangered/">http://www.fws.gov/endangered/</a>)*
then this permit:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-37.pdf">http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-37.pdf</a><br>
* Be sure to check both U.S. and foreign listings.<br>
<br>
If they are protected under CITES (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cites.org/eng/resources/species.html">http://www.cites.org/eng/resources/species.html</a>)
then again
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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unless they are going between CITES registered scientific
institutions, in which case no permit is needed but there is
paperwork.<br>
<br>
There is another form (not a permit) called a 3-177. This is
a declaration form and you always, always, always have to
use it for every wildlife import even if no permit is
required.<br>
<br>
Depending on what you are importing, there are also
restrictions on what ports and what days of the week (M-F,
no federal holidays) and times (regular business hours).
<br>
<br>
And a host of other procedures.<br>
<br>
That's all for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.<br>
<br>
For the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Animal and Plant
Health Inspection Service, the importer must have:<br>
<br>
1) A VS16-3 permit<br>
2) A certificate of origin or certificate of treatment,
depending on the country of origin and the status of the
recipient (this latter would not apply to a display
collection; it pertains only to research labs)<br>
3) A pro forma permit<br>
<br>
And again, lots of additional procedures.<br>
<br>
Suggest you contact me off-list.<br>
<br>
Ellen<br>
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<pre>Ellen Paul<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Executive Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>The Ornithological Council<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 8/27/13 12:19 PM, Skye Monson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are researching the possibility of
permanently importing a collection of ethnographic objects
from South America which includes feathers of migratory
birds, among other materials from endangered species.
Apparently the US fish and wildlife service has a lot of
restrictions about importing this kind of stuff, especially
migratory birds. Does anyone have experience in even
attempting to get the permits to bring material like this
into the US, or know of any precedent for it?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I appreciate any insights you may have!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES-VE">Skye A. Monson</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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