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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">... just adding to the previously said:<br>
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If feasible, document "treatment" of feathers as best as possible,
as "bird feathers" are also considered as vector for pathogens
(keyword: bird flue) and import might trigger veterinarian issues,
too. Have the objects been prepared (cooked/dried/stained) (be)for
assembling the objects? Which agents have been used (if known -
e.g. previous insecticide treatments).<br>
<br>
Perhaps it would be worth to consider a gamma radiation treatment
to kill potential pathogens (commonly done with fruits that are
imported e.g. from South America to kill potential invading
species or pathogens) - just an idea.<br>
<br>
Also in this respect, documenting the time of collection from the
wild as best as possible (e.g. hunted down 50 years ago) may be
relevant (if suited to document that collections are not harmful).<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
Dirk<br>
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Am 27.08.2013 21:09, schrieb Ellen Paul:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I agree with all Pat says *but* I
think that for the "pre-Act" issues (or pre-CITES listing), the
documentation is rarely available or unequivocal. Easier in my
opinion to just get the permit.<br>
<br>
The USFWS and APHIS websites will get you part of the way there
as to permits, but there is so much more than permits (the
infamous "blue ink" rule, for instance; the which
ports/days/times questions). And there is even erroneous info on
some of those websites, so reliance on them can be problematic.
For instance, there was one USFWS website that for years said
you could import dead scientific specimens through any customs
port. Except for one thing - the regulations said that was the
case ONLY for specimens of species for which no permit was
required. I brought this error to the attention of Law
Enforcement at least twice over several years. Kudos to them for
fixing it now but who knows what other glitches one might
encounter on these websites? The agencies are stretched so thin
that it is highly unlikely that they are able to devote
resources to checking and updating websites.<br>
<br>
<br>
Ellen<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Ellen Paul
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On 8/27/13 2:59 PM, Nutter, Pat wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">When as the
material collected, and who currently holds the
collection? Are you importing for an exhibit (and
planning to re-export), or are you acquiring the
collection?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">For each of
the objects involved you will need to know the species
involved, when the object was collected, and when it last
changed hands. (When the object was last “in commerce”
can make a difference when it comes to permit
requirements.) This will allow you to check whether each
species is listed under CITES, Endangered Species Act, or
Migratory Bird Act and what kind of permit is needed.
Lists of covered species are available through the US fish
& Wildlife Service website(s) and the links Ellen
provided below. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> Explore the
USFW and USDA APHIS websites. They can be mind-boggling,
but they will at least give you an idea of what questions
you need to get answered.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> You
probably want to find a good customs broker who has
experience dealing with importing wildlife or fine arts
that contain wildlife parts. (Masterpiece International
one firm, and I’m sure there are more in the New York
area.) Having an experienced customs broker is no
substitute for being familiar with the regulations
yourself, but it can certainly help. Bring them into the
process early – they may have valuable information about
what is a realistic timeline.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> The permit
review process with US Fish & Wildlife and USDA APHIS
can take months, so leave yourself plenty of time between
the time you apply for a permit and the time when you need
the collection to travel. If you are planning to import
and then re-export the collection, consider the permit
application and review process when you are making your
plans. If you need to import and then apply for re-export
permits, you don’t want to be stuck with a schedule that
calls for you to export the collection before you have the
permits ready.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> You will
also need to check to see if the exporting country has
export regulations that affect what you are planning to
do. (CITES Appendix I listed species require both an
export permit from the exporting country and an import
permit from U.S.. there may be additional permitting
requirements, depending on what you are exporting and from
where.) The current holder of the collection know or be
able to give you knowledgeable contacts, and a customs
broker may have contacts in the exporting country.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Patricia
Nutter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Associate
Registrar, National Museum of Natural History<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ellen Paul<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 27, 2013 1:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] Importing ethnographic
collections - Migratory bird issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What species?<br>
<br>
If they are on the Migratory Bird Treaty Act list (<b><a
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then you need this permit: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-6.pdf">http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-6.pdf</a><br>
<br>
If they are protected under the Endangered Species Act (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fws.gov/endangered/">http://www.fws.gov/endangered/</a>)*
then this permit: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-37.pdf">http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-37.pdf</a><br>
* Be sure to check both U.S. and foreign listings.<br>
<br>
If they are protected under CITES (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
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then again <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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unless they are going between CITES registered scientific
institutions, in which case no permit is needed but there
is paperwork.<br>
<br>
There is another form (not a permit) called a 3-177. This
is a declaration form and you always, always, always have
to use it for every wildlife import even if no permit is
required.<br>
<br>
Depending on what you are importing, there are also
restrictions on what ports and what days of the week (M-F,
no federal holidays) and times (regular business hours). <br>
<br>
And a host of other procedures.<br>
<br>
That's all for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.<br>
<br>
For the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Animal and Plant
Health Inspection Service, the importer must have:<br>
<br>
1) A VS16-3 permit<br>
2) A certificate of origin or certificate of treatment,
depending on the country of origin and the status of the
recipient (this latter would not apply to a display
collection; it pertains only to research labs)<br>
3) A pro forma permit<br>
<br>
And again, lots of additional procedures.<br>
<br>
Suggest you contact me off-list.<br>
<br>
Ellen<br>
<br>
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<pre>Ellen Paul<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Executive Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are researching the possibility of
permanently importing a collection of ethnographic objects
from South America which includes feathers of migratory
birds, among other materials from endangered species.
Apparently the US fish and wildlife service has a lot of
restrictions about importing this kind of stuff,
especially migratory birds. Does anyone have experience in
even attempting to get the permits to bring material like
this into the US, or know of any precedent for it?<o:p></o:p></p>
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