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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dirk<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There is a difference between hosting your database online and making it available to all online. You can have a cloud based database that has the same access
restrictions as a thick client server based database. Specify software is planning a thin client, browser based version of Specify that would facilitate hosting of data (cloud or otherwise) as well as collaboration etc. but still has a robust login based
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dirk Neumann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 29, 2013 2:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Doug Yanega; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu; Margraf Nicolas<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] entirely online database software for a natural history museum?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Doug, Nicolas,<br>
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with upcoming legislation regulation access to genetic resources, an entirely online collection database might be feasible for US collections as the US is a non-signatory nation to the CBD and the Nagoya Protocol. European collections face legal challenges
and should abstain from entirely online / cloud based databases for the following reasons:<br>
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1. With the exception of specimens collected inside the Europe Union (including Switzerland, Norway and Iceland that are as associated Schengen countries "members" of an enlarged European Union with a harmonised legislation), all non-European collection materials
"offered" online may be in conflict with different European laws and regulations (marketing and possession restrictions of species protected under European law and CITES). Offering those samples for loaning would (currently) be understood as offering for marketing
(especially CITES) and could provoke legal action. Even though this is completely stupid and the EU spends a lot of money to digitalise collections (GBIF, Europeana, etc.), we have no legal certainty for providing this data online at the moment.<br>
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2. The European Union will implement a quite restrictive Access Benefit Legislation on genetic resources next year. Even "genetic resources" that are not utilised (e.g. specimens used only as morphological reference, which, however, could potentially be extracted
at any later point) will fall under this regulation. At the moment we receive different opinions on materials (DNAs/tissues vs. collection specimens), time of application (retroactivity), reporting requirements and the planned EU-wide online-register that
- as currently drafted - would violate laws mentioned above (sic!). Even though Switzerland is not part of the European Union, it is leading in developing a sound ABS legislation. Until we have legal certainty here, European Collections should avoid providing
non-European collections materials online.<br>
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So yes, collections should provide access to specimen data of in-house databases on such data portals as GBIF, we are active to receive the required legal certainty, but a clear
<b><u>no</u></b> for entirely online / cloud based collection databases (at least for European Collections).<br>
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All the best<br>
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<a href="http://osuc.osu.edu/databasing.html">http://osuc.osu.edu/databasing.html</a> (the developer, Norm Johnson, has worked with others to mobilize their data onto the web)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To some degree, the examples Derek points out mix two things; the database itself, plus a data portal. Most folks get their data online by using an in-house database and then linking that database to a data portal. A good example is the
American Museum of Natural History, who runs an online database (fitting criteria 1, at least) that serves its data to the Discover Life data portal, which also exports all of its data to GBIF. A number of similar institutions, including my own, use FileMaker
as our database; it has remarkable flexibility, very easy to use and customize, works on PC and Mac, and can be remote-accessed. The only point about which I'm not entirely certain is that the server version can in fact be configured so that people who do
NOT have FileMaker installed can use the interface. I *believe* this is possible (I'm fairly sure this is how the AMNH system works), but do not myself know how this is accomplished.<br>
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