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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Andy,<br>
<br>
yes, perhaps a bit too imprecise, the difference that matters is
free access to all dataset for everyone which should be avoided
(regardless how this data can be accessed, either cloud based or
provided via institutional server - vs. restricted database access
via server/client/cloud). Second, even more important under
current pending [EU] legislation and Nagoya Protocol [likely to be
ratified an entering into force in 2014], we (= European
Collections) should be sensitive which data that is to be
provided(e.g. to GBIF) or displayed on institutional sites online
(especially locality/country data, protected species [covered
under FFH, CITES, EU birds directive - with special focus on DNAs
& tissues].<br>
<br>
Thanks for your comment,<br>
<br>
Dirk<br>
<br>
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Am 29.10.2013 14:16, schrieb Bentley, Andrew Charles:<br>
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is a difference between hosting your database online and
making it available to all online. You can have a cloud
based database that has the same access restrictions as a
thick client server based database. Specify software is
planning a thin client, browser based version of Specify
that would facilitate hosting of data (cloud or otherwise)
as well as collaboration etc. but still has a robust login
based security system much like the thick client.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dirk Neumann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 29, 2013 2:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Doug Yanega; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>;
Margraf Nicolas<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] entirely online database
software for a natural history museum?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Doug, Nicolas,<br>
<br>
with upcoming legislation regulation access to genetic
resources, an entirely online collection database might be
feasible for US collections as the US is a non-signatory
nation to the CBD and the Nagoya Protocol. European
collections face legal challenges and should abstain from
entirely online / cloud based databases for the following
reasons:<br>
<br>
1. With the exception of specimens collected inside the
Europe Union (including Switzerland, Norway and Iceland that
are as associated Schengen countries "members" of an
enlarged European Union with a harmonised legislation), all
non-European collection materials "offered" online may be in
conflict with different European laws and regulations
(marketing and possession restrictions of species protected
under European law and CITES). Offering those samples for
loaning would (currently) be understood as offering for
marketing (especially CITES) and could provoke legal action.
Even though this is completely stupid and the EU spends a
lot of money to digitalise collections (GBIF, Europeana,
etc.), we have no legal certainty for providing this data
online at the moment.<br>
<br>
2. The European Union will implement a quite restrictive
Access Benefit Legislation on genetic resources next year.
Even "genetic resources" that are not utilised (e.g.
specimens used only as morphological reference, which,
however, could potentially be extracted at any later point)
will fall under this regulation. At the moment we receive
different opinions on materials (DNAs/tissues vs. collection
specimens), time of application (retroactivity), reporting
requirements and the planned EU-wide online-register that -
as currently drafted - would violate laws mentioned above
(sic!). Even though Switzerland is not part of the European
Union, it is leading in developing a sound ABS legislation.
Until we have legal certainty here, European Collections
should avoid providing non-European collections materials
online.<br>
<br>
<br>
So yes, collections should provide access to specimen data
of in-house databases on such data portals as GBIF, we are
active to receive the required legal certainty, but a clear
<b><u>no</u></b> for entirely online / cloud based
collection databases (at least for European Collections).<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
Dirk<br>
<br>
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Am 28.10.2013 18:24, schrieb Doug Yanega:<o:p></o:p></p>
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with James in recommending a collections
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online so you interface it via a
web-browser from anywhere (no software to
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Arctos, which I have been using for over a year
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out mix two things; the database itself, plus a data portal.
Most folks get their data online by using an in-house
database and then linking that database to a data portal. A
good example is the American Museum of Natural History, who
runs an online database (fitting criteria 1, at least) that
serves its data to the Discover Life data portal, which also
exports all of its data to GBIF. A number of similar
institutions, including my own, use FileMaker as our
database; it has remarkable flexibility, very easy to use
and customize, works on PC and Mac, and can be
remote-accessed. The only point about which I'm not entirely
certain is that the server version can in fact be configured
so that people who do NOT have FileMaker installed can use
the interface. I *believe* this is possible (I'm fairly sure
this is how the AMNH system works), but do not myself know
how this is accomplished.<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
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