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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">U.S. signed, didn't ratify. Looks like
3 a.m. and 3 p.m. are both pretty bad on Mondays, especially for
people of a certain age!<br>
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Ellen<br>
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On 3/31/14, 10:40 AM, Dirk Neumann wrote:<br>
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correct ;-)<br>
<br>
But yes, <u>1993</u> is crucial and an issue, since most
countries (including the US) ratified the CBD and (in juridical
terms) the Nagoya Protocol is - and must be understood as - an
addition to the CBD and thus will also be binding for non-NP
states. <br>
<br>
Don't want to go into details of retroactivity and "new
utilisation" of pre-NP samples, but fact is that there is a big
deal of legal uncertainty ahead and large job opportunities for
unemployed lawyers. If any, additional administration / lawyer
positions may be created to the disadvantage of research /
collections staff.<br>
<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
Dirk<br>
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Am 31.03.2014 16:18, schrieb Ellen Paul:<br>
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What can I say? It is Monday morning.<br>
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On 3/31/14, 10:16 AM, Ellen Paul wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dirk -<br>
<br>
I agree with you entirely. The effect of Nagoya will be
contrary to the original purpose of the CBD. Lofty goals
(in my opinion) get mangled in implementation, much as has
been the case with CITES and, in the U.S., ESA foreign
listings. <br>
<br>
There is a time lag at work here. CBD occurred in 2000.
Prior to 2008, money was flowing freely. Easy credit, lots
of cash in the system...for context, remember that in
2002, the five-year plan to double the budget of the
National Institutes of Health had just been completed and
there was a plan to double the budget of the National
Science Foundation over the next five years. <br>
<br>
Governments are no longer willing or able to provide
sufficient funding, not that funding was ever ample. But
did anyone predict that things would become this dire? <br>
<br>
So here we are in a situation where natural history
collections are starving for basic operating funds.
Smaller collections are closing and even some of the most
important collections are lacking curators or collections
managers or adequate number of staff. <br>
<br>
Where do you get funding if not from government sources?
Well, of course some have endowments and if you are lucky
enough to be in the U.S., where the stock market has
rebounded, the endowments are generating a decent amount
of funding. At the moment. <br>
<br>
So that leaves private sector. Which can loosely be
divided into two categories - rich people (and
corporations,which in the U.S., are people) who can be
persuaded to make donations and private industry who are
interested in the properties and genetic basis of those
properties of the materials in the collections. If you
have to make a deal with "the devil" as corporations are
painted - just to keep the doors open and the lights on
and the collection functioning and accessible - then isn't
that the lesser of the two evils? <br>
<br>
We've been here before:<br>
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href="http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/07/science/biologists-sought-a-treaty-now-they-fault-it.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/07/science/biologists-sought-a-treaty-now-they-fault-it.html</a><br>
<br>
And I won't go into details, but ornithologists in the
U.S. (and Canada, Mexico, and Japan) can attest to the way
that the noble goal to protect birds has led to a system
that - for scientific research - is often implemented in a
manner that actually does nothing at all to protect wild
birds. <br>
<br>
Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it. <br>
<br>
I personally found this section of the White House memo to
be most amusing:<br>
<br>
<i>Clearly describe how the agency will apply its
scientific collections policy as a term and </i><i><br>
</i><i> condition, as appropriate, of providing funding
for the acquisition and stewardship of </i><i><br>
</i><i> scientific collections that are being managed by a
third party or that the agency does not </i><i><br>
</i><i> own, but supports or for which it has oversight
responsibilities. </i><br>
<br>
Yes, there are occasional little dribbles of funding from
one agency or another for specific projects, but even in
the best of times, did any federal agency support basic
stewardship costs for the collections managed by third
parties (the museum community)? <br>
<br>
<br>
Ellen<br>
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On 3/31/14, 5:59 AM, Dirk Neumann wrote:<br>
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<br>
maybe I read this wrong, but in the light of the
forthcoming ratification of the Nagoya Protocol and
Access benefit sharing (which the US is not going to
ratify), <i>"making collections more accessible to
[...] researchers, including non-Federal scientists,
to maximize public benefit"</i>, establishment of a
clearing house and cooperation with the Smithsonian
(that established already voluntary ABS-guidelines)
directs between the lines towards "making collections
available for applied research and product development".
<br>
<br>
While national governments of some industrialised
countries aim to push collections towards
commercialisation, Natural History Collections have been
identified as potential loophole in the ABS system and
some NGOs accused collections for biopiracy if
cooperating too close with industry. Non-commercial
benefits and capacity building are widely ignored among
policy makers, and shortcoming for global biodiversity
research may be assumed (see Buck and Hamilton 2011).
Vogel (2013) summarises some of the issues that may be
anticipated for collections rather cynical but clear.<br>
<br>
With ratification of the Nagoya Protocol later this year
(the EU & Member States will ratify in few weeks
completing the quorum that enforces the NP), access,
accession, transfer and sharing of samples will become
more difficult, and I doubt that this agrees with the
original intention of the CBD to conserve global
biodiversity and to promote biodiversity research ...<br>
<br>
Dirk<br>
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