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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Rob Robins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu" target="_blank">rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">As I wrote to Mr. Kemp under separate cover, and as Carol’s update below makes clear, University-based museums are not to be discounted. (Especially one as pre-eminent and venerable as the
UMMZ).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I’d also like to double-down on Carol’s comment:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“…realize some museums don't have every collection at their institution up yet on VN…”<span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Her statement applies to all manner of centralized data repositories. But just as an example, The UF herp collection has, to my recollection, 273,000 specimens (I am a fish
guy) and VN reports 169,000. Why the discrepancy?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">We are all too busy….!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Back to it…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Rob<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Robert H. Robins<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Senior Biologist/Collection Manager<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Florida Museum of Natural History<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">1659 Museum Road<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">PO Box 117800<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Gainesville, FL 32611-7800<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Office: <a href="tel:%28352%29%20273-1957" value="+13522731957" target="_blank">(352) 273-1957</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Fax: <a href="tel:%28352%29%20846-0287" value="+13528460287" target="_blank">(352) 846-0287</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu" target="_blank">rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carol Spencer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:05 PM<span><br>
<b>To:</b> Christopher Kemp<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Ranking of largest collections -- HELP<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And one update, UMMZ says this: <span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68);background:rgb(254,254,253)">195,469 (through catalogue number UMMZ 240,000) catalogued lots representing 431,316 individual specimens</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi again all, I was really impressed and excited by the feedback for my project collecting examples of newly-described species with long shelf lives. It was great! (But keep them coming too.) I had another question. I don't know if this
is empirically known or somewhat debatable, but I'm trying to make a list of the top 5 natural history collections in the US, and in the world. So, two lists. And I mean in terms of size, or number of specimens. Please weigh in. I'm assuming NMNH, AMNH, the
Field for the US, but who's next? And in the world, I just don't know: the NMNH, the BMNH, the AMNH? I don't know. Share your thoughts. I'm at
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