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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Yes, but...there seems to be a divide
among the collections communities and I think this exchange of
ideas is important because people need to understand that theirs
is not the only kind of collection and their experiences may not
be similar to the experiences of others in the collections
community. So before anyone sends in comments saying "fine, no
prob" realize that it really is a prob - a BIG prob - for the
folks right down the hall from you. <br>
<br>
And knowing the details helps people to evaluate whether their
views are really "scaleable." The idea, for instance, that you can
ask the parks and refuges to get you historic boundary data
assumes that all parks and refuges will have the staff to do this
work. Maybe that's true for one or two parks that you work with,
but others have different experiences. So again, before you say
"fine, no prob" - we can get that info easily, realize that it
isn't actually the case for most parks. <br>
<br>
Ellen<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Ellen Paul
Executive Director
The Ornithological Council
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a>
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On 2/18/15 5:46 PM, Trock, Debra wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
think that everyone is missing the point here, and wasting a
lot of time debating the details. Please, for everyone
affected by the proposed regulations, we should be taking
the time that we are spending debating back and forth with
each other and draft some comments to DOI as to how this
will affect your operations. It does no good to argue among
ourselves about whether collections are digitized or not and
how to get GPS coordinates! We need to let DOI know what
the on-the-ground consequences of these proposed regulations
would be.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">My
2 cents.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dr.
Debra Trock<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Director
of Science Collections<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Senior
Collections Manager, Botany<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">California
Academy of Sciences<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">55
Music Concourse Drive<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">San
Francisco, CA 94118<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dtrock@calacademy.org">dtrock@calacademy.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michelle Pinsdorf<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NHCOLL-new; Andrew Charles Bentley<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] NSC Alliance Washington
Report - READ THIS ONE!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I
don't believe it's up to individual collections workers
to research the history of every land management unit -
that information is readily available from the units
themselves, including the history of the area prior to
it changing to park/refuge/etc. The unit's
archivists/collections managers/other staff should be
aware of their responsibility to assist in clarifying
records where they can. Even defunct units (Cycad
National Monument, for example) or situations of changed
stewardship (shifting public/tribal/private patchworks
on reservations, for example) still have well-documented
histories and current stewards of that information to
keep it in public access.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424265065912_103020">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Technology
and the ability to combine maps and GPS data on-site in
the field are a huge benefit to modern collecting. The
requirement to record and report this
data improves legal validity and scientific value of
specimens for both the collecting institution and the
permitting land management agency. Nowadays, there
should be no shrugged shoulders as to land ownership at
the time of collection, particularly when it comes to
legal responsibilities/trespassing concerns/etc. on the
boundaries between public and private land.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">However,
for specimens collected in the past, of course all
museum collections have the problem of 'bad data' and
'no data' specimens. As others have said, the need to
put the work in to rectify those records as much as
possible is part of collections management as a whole -
not an undue burden imposed by this particular request.
Say, for example, a specimen may have been collected
from a site prior to its inclusion within the boundary
of a park/refuge/etc. The specimen locality is known,
but the collecting date is not. Filling in that
blank is important to resolving a slew of potential
stewardship issues, and the onus is on the collecting
institution to do so. This is why the request
includes specimens that 'may have' been collected from
public land, not just the ones previously known to have
been.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Working
with the staff of the land management unit of concern is
the best way to take the 'guess' out of 'educated
guess', improve records and data across the board,
and reduce the work required by the collecting
institution.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Michelle
Pinsdorf<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Fossil
Preparator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Department
of Paleobiology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Smithsonian
Institution National Museum of Natural History<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On
Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:55 PM, Ellen Paul
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a>>
wrote:</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">How do
you know that the specific place was
within a park (or refuge, or whatever)
when the specimen was collected? Even if
already declared as a protected area,
the boundaries were likely different.
Most parks and other protected areas
were created and then land was added as
it became available. Many had - and
still have - inholdings. When I walk
down the trails in Shenandoah National
Park, I often see signs that state that
the trail will cross through private
lands, but the actual boundaries are not
marked. How do I know, then, when I
collect something, if I am inside the
park boundaries or if I am on the
private property? Yes, if I have a good
gps, I can check later. <br>
<br>
The first national park was created in
1916. Prior to that time, it was part of
the Wyoming and Montana territories.
Congress reserved the area for
Yellowstone in 1872. In theory, you
would have to go back to the Louisiana
Purchase (1803) because that is when it
became U.S. land.<br>
<br>
The first national wildlife refuge was
created in 1903. Not sure who owned it
prior to the creation of the refuge.
<br>
<br>
You would have to trace the history of
each park, refuge, etc. to know if it
was public land at the time the specimen
was collected and then trace the
acquisition of each piece of land or
change in boundaries.
<br>
<br>
Why would you include something simply
because the place is now a park if it
wasn't a park at the time the specimen
was collected? This is of particular
concern given the stance on ownership
and the implications that ownership
carries.
<br>
<br>
Is "educated guess" the appropriate and
accepted standard?<br>
<br>
Note that the Inspector General report
that this measure addresses states that
"</span><span
style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#111111">...DOI
says it will take 20 yrs to complete
full cataloguing." The IG says that DOI
will need to allocate resources.<br>
<br>
Yet the non-feds are supposed to do it
in 2 hrs 20 minutes and of course have
loads of money and staff to do it with.
<br>
</span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><br>
<br>
Ellen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Ellen Paul<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Executive Director<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">The Ornithological Council<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net" target="_blank">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">"Providing Scientific Information about Birds<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nmnh.si.edu_BIRDNET&d=AwMD-g&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=EWTwmZ4CTUaZCKneYjLS3KfoHA3-1bpo-vI8Qqbl-8M&s=8D0YYVSodWP0wrQWwOLBkFVpQP7geS-xEB-3rDksNqA&e=" target="_blank">"<o:p></o:p></a></span></pre>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">On
2/18/15 8:59 AM, Anita Cholewa wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">In
a way, this is what all the
digitization projects are seeking to
do -- catalog exactly what we all have
in the collections.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Currently,
here we actually are entering
specimen data from lands that are
now parks -- since I and others have
been to many, place names are
familiar so we can make educated
guesses and when georeferencing is
done, they can be placed in or
pretty close to parks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Does
it take more of my time and that of
my assistants. Absolutely. Is it
good stewardship -- absolutely.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">__________<br>
Anita F. Cholewa, Ph.D.<br>
Curator of the UM Herbarium
(MIN)<br>
and Acting Curator of Lichens
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J.F. Bell Museum of Natural
History<br>
University of Minnesota<br>
1445 Gortner Ave<br>
ST PAUL MN 55108-1095<br>
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campus mail code: 6022<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">On
Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Brown,
Matthew A <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:matthewbrown@utexas.edu" target="_blank" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424265065912_110441">matthewbrown@utexas.edu</a>>
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Are you really going to take the
time to go back through your
collections - every item! - to
determine what came from
DOI-managed public lands - ever
- even though not georeferenced
that precisely at the time
collected, even though the exact
site may or may not have been
DOI-managed public land at the
time?</span></span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><br>
<br>
Um... yes. I'd be a pretty poor
steward if I couldn't be
accountable for what my
institution holds in our public
trust collections.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Matthew A. Brown<br>
Head of Collections, Vertebrate
Paleontology Laboratory<br>
Lecturer, Department of Geological
Sciences<br>
Jackson School of Geosciences<br>
The University of Texas at Austin<br>
R7600, Austin, TX 78758<br>
Office:<span class="MsoHyperlink">(512)232-5515</span><br>
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On Feb 17, 2015, at 12:25 PM,
Ellen Paul <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net" target="_blank" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424265065912_140424">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a>>
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<span class="yiv1345363178">> I
hope everyone has read or will
read this specific item because
it is a big deal for museum
collections:</span><br>
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> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.gpo.gov_fdsys_pkg_FR-2D2015-2D02-2D03_html_2015-2D01880.htm&d=AwIF-g&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=nOx2v156D8uT1thUwsFwrfYvlGSuQwB5albVTXKh5v8&s=SWv4ecrUIXFG5zsWfnHrFuQJPhIv9KEo92dbsnRymkA&e=" target="_blank" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424265065912_110450">
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> Under the Paperwork
Reduction Act, federal
agencies can't request
information from non-federal
entities or citizens without
permission from the White
House Office of Management and
Budget. To obtain approval for
an Information Collection
Request (ICR) they must
publish the proposed ICR for
comment which is what they are
doing here.<br>
><br>
> This request is no doubt
in part a result of the
reports of the Inspector
General (at least two over the
past decade) that criticized
DOI rather harshly for not
having adequate inventories of
stuff collected from public
lands managed by DOI agencies
(USFWS, NPS, BLM).<br>
><br>
> Take a good look at what
they are going to require you
to do. We've had this
discussion in the context of
the NPS situation. Are you
really going to take the time
to go back through your
collections - every item! - to
determine what came from
DOI-managed public lands -
ever - even though not
georeferenced that precisely
at the time collected, even
though the exact site may or
may not have been DOI-managed
public land at the time? You'd
have to know the boundaries of
each site at the time of
collection, assuming it was
even designated as a:<br>
><br>
> National Wildlife Refuge<br>
> National Park<br>
> Public land area managed
by the BLM<br>
> National wildlife
preserve<br>
> Elk refuge<br>
> National bird refuge<br>
> etc.<br>
><br>
> at the time of
collection.<br>
><br>
> And they estimate that
this will take 2 hrs, 20
minutes per year.<br>
><br>
> THEY RECEIVED NO COMMENTS
IN RESPONSE TO THE PRIOR
NOTICE PUBLISHED IN MARCH
2014.<br>
><br>
> The Department of the
Interior invites comments on:
(a) Whether the collection of
information is necessary for
the proper performance of the
functions of the agency,
including whether the
information will have
practical utility; (b) The
accuracy of the agency’s
estimate of the burden of the
collection and the validity of
the methodology and
assumptions used; (c) Ways to
enhance the quality, utility,
and clarity of the information
to be collected; and (d) Ways
to minimize the burden of the
collection of information on
those who are to respond,
including through the use of
appropriate automated,
electronic, mechanical, or
other collection techniques or
other forms of information
technology. ‘‘Burden’’ means
the total time, effort, or
financial resources expended
by persons to generate,
maintain, retain, disclose, or
provide information to or for
a federal agency. This
includes the time needed to
review instructions; to
develop, acquire, install and
utilize technology and systems
for the purpose of
collecting, validating and
verifying information,
processing and<br>
> maintaining information,
and disclosing and providing
information; to train
personnel and to be able to
respond to a collection of
information, to search data
sources, to complete and
review the collection of
information; and to transmit
or otherwise disclose the
information.<br>
><br>
> Think about the potential
consequences of not complying
once this goes into effect.<br>
><br>
> I really suggest you read
this notice carefully.<br>
><br>
> Ellen<br>
><br>
> Ellen Paul<br>
> Executive Director<br>
> The Ornithological
Council<br>
> Email:<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net" target="_blank">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a><br>
><br>
> "Providing Scientific
Information about Birds<br>
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