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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thank you, Kevin.<br>
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Ellen<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Ellen Paul
Executive Director
The Ornithological Council
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a>
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On 2/19/15 10:29 PM, Kevin Winker wrote:<br>
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<div>Nope. Sorry. This is incorrect: "The only way for a
museum collection to legally hold non-eagle migratory bird
specimens is with a special purpose permit issued under §
21.27. " See 50 CFR 21.12(b). I suspect most of the bigger
and more active bird collections in the U.S. fall under this
clause. Those who aren't may wish to inquire whether they
can. Here are the details:<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.gpo.gov_fdsys_pkg_CFR-2D2010-2Dtitle50-2Dvol6_xml_CFR-2D2010-2Dtitle50-2Dvol6-2Dsec21-2D12.xml&d=AwMFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=oJeK9mN5vWofioq4RDCZkAmSmAQXqsJlFKZTPi-3NO0&s=vH0QTJEFATO2TAAT_OdN1toyFbGe_EgooSsI1k8b9bA&e=">http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2010-title50-vol6/xml/CFR-2010-title50-vol6-sec21-12.xml</a>
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"(b)(1) State game departments, municipal game farms or
parks, and public museums, public zoological parks,
accredited institutional members of the American Association
of Zoological Parks and Aquariums (AAZPA) and public
scientific or educational institutions may acquire by gift
or purchase, possess, transport, and by gift or sale dispose
of lawfully acquired migratory birds or their progeny,
parts, nests, or eggs without a permit: Provided, That such
birds may be acquired only from persons authorized by this
paragraph or by a permit issued pursuant to this part to
possess and dispose of such birds, or from Federal or State
game authorities by the gift of seized, condemned, r sick or
injured birds. Any such birds, acquired without a permit,
and any progeny therefrom may be disposed of only to persons
authorized by this paragraph to acquire such birds without a
permit. Any person exercising a privilege granted by this
paragraph must keep accurate records of such operations
showing the species and number of birds acquired, possessed,
and disposed of; the names and addresses of the persons from
whom such birds were acquired or to whom such birds were
donated or sold; and the dates of such transactions. Records
shall be maintained or reproducible in English on a calendar
year basis and shall be retained for a period of five (5)
years following the end of the calendar year covered by the
records."<br>
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With this, I agree: "One can't just cherry-pick parts of the
laws that seem to support your argument, you have to read the
relevant laws and regulations in their totality." And that's
why I won't be expounding on issues related to paleo
collections. ;)<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Brown,
Matthew A <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:matthewbrown@utexas.edu" target="_blank">matthewbrown@utexas.edu</a>></span>
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going to try this bird permit explanation one last time, and
then for the sake of everybody's sanity and probable
feelings of disgust, I'll give up.<br>
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I know that § 21.23 is the scientific collecting permit. And
it is only that. It does not authorize the holding of museum
collections, in fact § 21.23(c)(1) disallows the keeping of
specimens unless the scientific collector is issued a
special purpose permit under § 21.27. The only way for a
museum collection to legally hold non-eagle migratory bird
specimens is with a special purpose permit issued under §
21.27. Those permit conditions mandate annual reporting. CFR
50, Chapter 1, Subchapter B, Part 13, Subpart D § 13.48
requires compliance by the museum with all conditions,
including the annual reporting conditions. I have one of
these special purpose permits in my hand, right now, looking
at the section where it says it is issued under the
authority of § 13 and § 21.27, and that annual reporting is
required each year. Not just for five years, but each year
that the permit is valid. That means that as long as an
institution holds migratory birds, annual Federal reporting
is required. One can't just cherry-pick parts of the laws
that seem to support your argument, you have to read the
relevant laws and regulations in their totality.<br>
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And we haven't even gotten to migratory birds collected from
Federal land yet. This is just DOI USFWS regs for migratory
birds that aren't bald or golden eagles. Not for paleo or
cultural items, not even for all natural history
collections. Just non-eagle migratory birds. Onerous? Maybe.
But it is also required by law, and what we signed up for
when we took positions of responsibility in museums.<br>
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> On Feb 19, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Ellen Paul <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> By the way, 21.27 is NOT "<br>
> "The special use permit required by § 21.27 for a
museum collection"<br>
><br>
> 21.27 is just what it says it is: Permits may be
issued for special purpose activities related to migratory
birds, their parts, nests, or eggs, which are otherwise
outside the scope of the standard form permits of this
part. A special purpose permit for migratory bird related
activities not otherwise provided for in this part may be
issued to an applicant who submits a written application
containing the general information and certification
required by part 13 and makes a sufficient showing of
benefit to the migratory bird resource, important research
reasons, reasons of human concern for individual birds, or
other compelling justification.<br>
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> Scientific collecting is covered by 21.23. Therefore,
21.27 is inapplicable.<br>
><br>
> Ellen Paul<br>
> Executive Director<br>
> The Ornithological Council<br>
> Email:<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a><br>
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> "Providing Scientific Information about Birds<br>
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> On 2/19/15 3:28 PM, Brown, Matthew A wrote:<br>
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