<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Curtis,<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Thanks for the information on the lids. I have not seen these before but I agree with Andy, looks like a great lid.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">The only problems I can see are those for any HDPE bucket (which are easy to deal with from a management point of view), which are that HDPE is UV sensitive so you want to make sure that buckets exposed to UV (especially if they are used in the field) are very closely monitored for evidence of cracking, and HDPE is not as resistant to oxygen penetration as steel or glass (this is probably a very minor issue considering that we open an close the containers all the time). And of course round containers is not as efficient a use of space as rectangular containers. <br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Given the price differential between steel and HDPE, these look like a very good alternative. Thanks for providing the information on the lids and your record of 12 years experience with them. I suspect these probably seal better than many steel tanks do.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">--John<br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">John E. Simmons<br>Museologica<br>128 E. Burnside Street<br>Bellefonte, Pennsylvania 16823-2010<br><a href="mailto:simmons.johne@gmail.com" target="_blank">simmons.johne@gmail.com</a><br>303-681-5708<br><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.museologica.com&d=AwMFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=2neWyUhtjU5ndLFwvZ5z-t-VgL9DKtQDYxuyxHpOJXs&s=aFFVmfs4N5Q2FIxEhXaVLv71-KBpsK9CZRgNVH-kjSQ&e=" target="_blank">www.museologica.com</a><br>and<br>Adjunct Curator of Collections<br>Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery<br>Penn State University<br>University Park, Pennsylvania<br>and<br>Instructor, Museum Studies<br>School of Library and Information Science<br>Kent State University<br>and<br>Lecturer in Art<br>Juniata College<br>Huntingdon, Pennsylvania<br></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Curtis J Schmidt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cjschmidt@fhsu.edu" target="_blank">cjschmidt@fhsu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font face="Default Sans Serif,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><div>John,</div><div><br></div><div>The lids are made of high density polyethylene (HDPE). Two separate gaskets make them air tight. The outer rim of the bucket contains a gasket and snaps onto the rim of the bucket tight. It snaps on tight, and I mean TIGHT! It takes a tremendous amount of force to get them on, and once they are snapped on, you will not get them off. The bucket is then closed with a center that screws into the outer rim, much like a typical jar enclosure. There is a gasket around the inside of the center piece that forms a tight seal when screwed down. It's kind of funny, as people that are not familiar with these lids have trouble figuring out how to take the lid off. It forms such a good seal that you can't tell that the lid is 2 pieces. We have used them for 12 years and have had zero problem with evaporation. It's a cheap alternative to the steel tanks for things such as turtles, large frogs, and large snakes. Do you know of any problems from storing specimens long-term in plastic buckets?</div><span class=""><div><br></div><div>Curtis<br><br>______________________________<br><br>Curtis J. Schmidt<br>Zoological Collections Manager<br>Sternberg Museum of Natural History<br>Fort Hays State University <br>3000 Sternberg Drive<br>Hays, KS 67601<br><a href="tel:%28785%29%20628-5504" value="+17856285504" target="_blank">(785) 628-5504</a> (collections)<br><a href="tel:%28785%29%20650-2447" value="+17856502447" target="_blank">(785) 650-2447</a> (cell)<br>______________________________</div><br><br></span><font color="#990099">-----John E Simmons <<a href="mailto:simmons.johne@gmail.com" target="_blank">simmons.johne@gmail.com</a>> wrote: -----</font><div style="padding-left:5px"><div style="padding-right:0px;padding-left:5px;border-left:solid black 2px">To: Curtis J Schmidt <<a href="mailto:cjschmidt@fhsu.edu" target="_blank">cjschmidt@fhsu.edu</a>><br>From: John E Simmons <<a href="mailto:simmons.johne@gmail.com" target="_blank">simmons.johne@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: 03/11/2015 09:23PM<br>Cc: Laura Abraczinskas <<a href="mailto:abraczi1@msu.edu" target="_blank">abraczi1@msu.edu</a>>, "<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>" <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>><div><div class="h5"><br>Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Inquiry about polycarbonate pails and glass pickle jars for fluid-preserved specimens<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><font color="#000000">Curtis,<br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><font color="#000000">What kind of plastic are the lids made of? Can you describe how they work? And how long have you been using them?<br><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><font color="#000000">Thanks,<br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><font color="#000000">John<br><br></font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr">John E. Simmons<br>Museologica<br>128 E. Burnside Street<br>Bellefonte, Pennsylvania 16823-2010<br><a href="mailto:simmons.johne@gmail.com" target="_blank">simmons.johne@gmail.com</a><br><a href="tel:303-681-5708" value="+13036815708" target="_blank">303-681-5708</a><br><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.museologica.com&d=AwMFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=2neWyUhtjU5ndLFwvZ5z-t-VgL9DKtQDYxuyxHpOJXs&s=aFFVmfs4N5Q2FIxEhXaVLv71-KBpsK9CZRgNVH-kjSQ&e=" target="_blank">www.museologica.com</a><br>and<br>Adjunct Curator of Collections<br>Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery<br>Penn State University<br>University Park, Pennsylvania<br>and<br>Instructor, Museum Studies<br>School of Library and Information Science<br>Kent State University<br>and<br>Lecturer in Art<br>Juniata College<br>Huntingdon, Pennsylvania<br></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Curtis J Schmidt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cjschmidt@fhsu.edu" target="_blank">cjschmidt@fhsu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font face="Default Sans Serif,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><div>Our herpetology division uses 5 gallon plastic buckets with gamma seal lids. Do a simple google search for "gamma seal lids" and you will see numerous distributors for such. They work great!</div><div><br></div><div>Curtis<br><br>______________________________<br><br>Curtis J. Schmidt<br>Zoological Collections Manager<br>Sternberg Museum of Natural History<br>Fort Hays State University <br>3000 Sternberg Drive<br>Hays, KS 67601<br><a href="tel:%28785%29%20628-5504" value="+17856285504" target="_blank">(785) 628-5504</a> (collections)<br><a href="tel:%28785%29%20650-2447" value="+17856502447" target="_blank">(785) 650-2447</a> (cell)<br>______________________________</div><br><br><font color="#990099">-----<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a> wrote: -----</font><div style="padding-left:5px"><div style="padding-right:0px;padding-left:5px;border-left:solid black 2px">To: "'Bentley, Andrew Charles'" <<a href="mailto:abentley@ku.edu" target="_blank">abentley@ku.edu</a>>, <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>><br>From: "Laura Abraczinskas" <u></u><br>Sent by: <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>Date: 03/11/2015 05:23PM<br>Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Inquiry about polycarbonate pails and glass pickle jars for fluid-preserved specimens<div><div><br><br><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d">Thank you very much Andy.<span> </span><u></u><u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d">I’ll try to contact the/a person about the “large size lids”.<span> </span>A search on the <span>O.Berk</span> website shows that their largest plastic closure with screw threads is 120mm size.<span> </span>(I believe <span>Kols</span> <span> </span>is now part of <span>O.Berk</span>). <span> </span><u></u><u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d">And, it has been pointed out that the Anchor<span> </span>Hocking glass pickle barrel jar (2.5<span> </span>gallon size) has a lid that does not screw down and does not seal (even though the lid has threads)!<u></u><u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d">Best,<u></u><u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d">Laura<u></u><u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><font color="#1f497d">Laura Abraczinskas, Collections Manager<u></u><u></u></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><font color="#1f497d">Vertebrate Collections<u></u><u></u></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><font color="#1f497d">Michigan State University Museum<u></u><u></u></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><font color="#1f497d">409 West Circle Drive, Room 103<u></u><u></u></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><font color="#1f497d">East Lansing, Michigan<span> </span>48824<u></u><u></u></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><font color="#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><font color="#1f497d"><a href="tel:517%2F355-1290" value="+15173551290" target="_blank">517/355-1290</a> Office Phone<u></u><u></u></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><font color="#1f497d"><a href="tel:517%2F432-2846" value="+15174322846" target="_blank">517/432-2846</a> FAX<u></u><u></u></font></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></font></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Bentley, Andrew Charles [mailto:<a href="mailto:abentley@ku.edu" target="_blank">abentley@ku.edu</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 11, 2015 5:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> Laura Abraczinskas; <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Nhcoll-l] Inquiry about polycarbonate pails and glass pickle jars for fluid-preserved specimens<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d">Laura<u></u><u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d">Our herpetology division has been using the polycarbonate pails for temporary storage of incoming material from the field. They are great in that they are clear and as such contents are visible easily (not sure what effect light has on specimens due to this) BUT they do not seal well at all - no gasket or positive seal of any kind. They leak if tipped. Not sure if a gasket could be inserted into the lid to create such a seal – maybe a modified tank gasket from Delta or Steel Fixtures? <u></u><u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d">As for lids for oversized jars, you may want to check Kols Containers who have, in the past, indicated that these are still available. Try contacting Judy Bounds at <a href="tel:%28401%29%20646-2300" value="+14016462300" target="_blank">(401) 646-2300</a> or <a href="mailto:jbounds@kolscontainers.com" target="_blank">jbounds@kolscontainers.com</a>. We too have some of those larger glass crocks that we guard with our life as they are not available anywhere </font><span style="font-family:Wingdings"><font color="#1f497d">J</font></span><font color="#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d">Hope that helps<u></u><u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d">Andy<u></u><u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-AU"> A : A : A :<br> }<(((_°>.,.,.,.}<(((_°>.,.,.,.}<)))_°><br> V V V<br>Andy Bentley<br>Ichthyology Collection Manager<br>University of Kansas<br>Biodiversity Institute<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-AU">Dyche Hall<br>1345 Jayhawk Boulevard<br>Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561<br>USA<br><br>Tel: <a href="tel:%28785%29%20864-3863" value="+17858643863" target="_blank">(785) 864-3863</a><br>Fax: <a href="tel:%28785%29%20864-5335" value="+17858645335" target="_blank">(785) 864-5335</a> <br>Email: <a href="mailto:abentley@ku.edu" target="_blank">abentley@ku.edu</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-AU"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu_&d=AwMFAw&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=UnRlD0x28TbKXuciNmj3OdURv3D7A7HJ4PmPrDInqI4&s=MYyZcBi-f5j59YNZ_jUW89D_MFuikZ3RnFYFNxVURQA&e=" target="_blank">http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-AU">SPNHC President<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-AU"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.spnhc.org_&d=AwMFAw&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=UnRlD0x28TbKXuciNmj3OdURv3D7A7HJ4PmPrDInqI4&s=Z3FfJkBu_TSWgUZ1_kJgNAZ5C3eqjY6Fp0LDh2Yz6yM&e=" target="_blank">http://www.spnhc.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-AU"> : : <br> A : A : A :<br> }<(((_°>.,.,.,.}<(((_°>.,.,.,.}<)))_°><br> V V V</span><font color="#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></font></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></font></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Laura Abraczinskas<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 11, 2015 4:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] Inquiry about polycarbonate pails and glass pickle jars for fluid-preserved specimens<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">We need to replace some of our white plastic/HDPE buckets (2 to 5 gallon size) that hold fluid-preserved vertebrate specimens. We also have some large glass pickle jars from the 1960s (approx 3 gallon size with neck handles). These have metal lids that need replacing. The old lids are larger than 120mm size. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I am wondering if anyone has experienced problems with or has further advice about polycarbonate plastic pails and lids that were recommended several years ago? <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.spnhc.org_media_assets_SPNHC-5FNewsletter-5F2004-5FV18-5FN1.pdf&d=AwMFAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=khLlX2t10BThoKk45QKbZ5MyyXYa-G4OnjNEpK8Zxf0&s=b_pMTTR12FsAZ5H7JJKQg4zAfM2RP3TRErRTtjGOsyM&e=" target="_blank">http://www.spnhc.org/media/assets/SPNHC_Newsletter_2004_V18_N1.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I see that Anchor Hocking makes a glass pickle barrel jar (2.5 gallon size) but the lid is aluminum.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">See for example<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.amazon.com_Anchor-2DHocking-2D85679-2D2-2DGallon-2DBrushed-2DAluminum_dp_B000M9NMJA&d=AwMFAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=khLlX2t10BThoKk45QKbZ5MyyXYa-G4OnjNEpK8Zxf0&s=jqlpD1pba4O1XynjeP7hN0UWG7V1bAdtRlXeNDVBP6Q&e=" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Anchor-Hocking-85679-2-Gallon-Brushed-Aluminum/dp/B000M9NMJA</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">(Also available from other sources at lower cost). <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone know of sources for replacement plastic lids for large glass containers such as these? <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you very much,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Laura<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Laura Abraczinskas, Collections Manager<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Vertebrate Collections<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Michigan State University Museum<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">409 West Circle Drive, Room 103<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">East Lansing, Michigan 48824<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><a href="tel:517%2F355-1290" value="+15173551290" target="_blank">517/355-1290</a> Office Phone<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><a href="tel:517%2F432-2846" value="+15174322846" target="_blank">517/432-2846</a> FAX<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div>
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