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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi all,<br>
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DYMO tags should be used with larger specimens only; the rigid
plastic and the plastic string physically damage smaller specimens
(sitting in smaller containers). It might be an option to use
& punch the Tyvek "paper" Andy Bentley repeatedly recommended,
in combination with a high quality ribbon (maybe it is worth to
avoid plastic here, which might detach at some point or might fail
because of the ageing of the plastic). Also, Tyvek is not that
rigid compared to DYMO, and (maybe most important) does not
release any adhesives. We had a large shark and stingray collected
tagged with DYMO tags in the early 1970ies, and most tags are
hardly readable (even though the imprinting is still "there", you
can hardly recognise it because of ageing and secondary reactions
[sharks have been sitting in old benzine barrels for some time
with residual benzine in it, released oils also had negative
effects on the tags, some tags were torn off, etc.) <br>
<br>
In Echinoderms it should work to knot the ribbon around one of the
radial limbs (at least in star fish) rather than punching them; in
major fish sitting in larger tanks tags could be applied below the
gill cover or anchored inside the mouth or the between the gills.
This might be the safe option compared to (comparatively small)
specimen labels that can easily tear off specimens. <br>
<br>
Maybe this points into the right direction ....<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
Dirk<br>
<br>
Am 28.03.2015 um 02:45 schrieb Andrew Stewart:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"
size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi
Cathy,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"
size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Some
years ago we experimented with paper tags with a brass
eyelet and found the metal corroded quite badly so gave
that away. For the past 30+ years we have been using
plastic dymo strips (9 mm wide); either black or green.
Do <b>
<i><u><span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">NOT</span></u></i></b>
use blue as the dye is alcohol soluble and becomes very
difficult to read. The biggest issue we’re facing now is
that it’s getting harder to buy the tape.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"
size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Attachment
is either by plastic tags in a denison gun or using waxed
linen thread and a needle. No disassociation issues except
where the plastic tag hasn’t been securely punched through
the specimen, but we always give it a wee pull before
finishing with the specimen.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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luck<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>] <b>
<span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Cathy
Groves<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Saturday, 28 March 2015 12:37 p.m.<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
[Nhcoll-l] Tie on tags<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Dear Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36.0pt"><font
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
lang="EN-US">We are looking for tie-on tags, which can be
used to label bags of specimens that are submerged in
alcohol in 30-gallon steel tanks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36.0pt"><font
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
lang="EN-US">For similar purposes, our ichthyology
department uses 100% rag card stock tags, 1.5 x 2.75
inches, with a reinforced brass eyelet. Unfortunately,
their supply is nearly exhausted and the source of the
tags is unknown. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36.0pt"><font
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
lang="EN-US">Can anyone suggest a supplier for tie-on tags
that withstand long-term storage in 85% ethanol?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Thank you very much,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Cathy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Cathy Groves<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Collection Manager,
Echinoderms<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Natural History
Museum of Los Angeles County<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span
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