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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks Peter. I restricted my query, actually on behalf of colleagues, to specimen data from personal collections because of the audience and my guess that
there is much data held privately that isn’t making it into the broader observation databases (not that it couldn’t, as you said).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But indeed we are also looking to sources of non-vouchered observation data such as iNaturalist, e-Butterfly, OdonataCentral, etc., as well as specimens held
in museums and shared in GBIF, iDigBio, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One of the questions is whether the existing data repositories either already hold, or would be logical places for, all the data the group is interested in
(occurrence data for all invertebrate species in Vermont). We wanted to be sure we were aware of existing repositories before a decision is made whether to create yet another database.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Also, I was looking not only for sources of data to glean (the good news and the bad news is I’ve not learned of any new sources), but also data repositories
we may recommend to local collectors as a reliable place to store their data. I received some valuable feedback on the latter (Symbiota and Specify 7 in particular).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In short, thanks for your feedback, Peter, and everyone else.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jodi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Rauch<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 09, 2015 2:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] seeking repositories for personal collection data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Jodi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">There are repositories for biological diversity observations for which physical specimens are not collected (the specimens are "observed" in the field, and information, and perhaps photos, about those observations
/ specimens is all that is "collected" and preserved).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">So, while it might be nice to actually have physical specimens to "vouch" for some of the information associated by the observer with those specimens, it seems that in today's world of urgent need to learn as
much as possible about our remaining biota, we are creating places to deposit only data.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Surely, even without the voucher specimens, some folks will find useful records that indicate that such-and-such taxon was "observed" (even if collected too) at a particular locality, date, by so-and-so, etc.,
etc. <br>
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Whether or not those data are very useful for "observations" which do not identify to species the organism to which they refer, is another matter (many collection specimens of invertebrates remain undetermined for long periods of time, so their associated data
may not have much value until a specialist studies the physical specimens and a determination is had).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On the other hand, a well-curated private specimen collection with a high proportion of reliably-determined names would likely have specimen-related data of use to others, even without having control over or
access to the physical specimens.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Examples ? <br>
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<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.inaturalist.org_&d=AwMFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=IyEvf3tWG_0oyKZ-Gcjwime5nd1ki842P72vSxmlAmw&s=YyF0yuHHk7ugF8EQxeNtfvEaYGkbBr5_YsTJkPvk8hA&e=">http://www.inaturalist.org/</a><br>
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<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.audubon.org_news_how-2Duse-2Debird&d=AwMFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=IyEvf3tWG_0oyKZ-Gcjwime5nd1ki842P72vSxmlAmw&s=nOTfb9KYpTJXpCd-awUDqNN4l_hv6-2yj3MeoEMvrOU&e=">http://www.audubon.org/news/how-use-ebird</a><br>
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<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.calflora.org_add_pofaq.html&d=AwMFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=IyEvf3tWG_0oyKZ-Gcjwime5nd1ki842P72vSxmlAmw&s=wwp1UyuWLivEa-vJAUL4IqRqg20BdjOM3Dk5Z8oyA44&e=">http://www.calflora.org/add/pofaq.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">It likely is a question to be answered on a case-by-case basis, because the interests of the physical collection owner / caretaker, as well as the actual character of the data to be made available, weigh so
heavily in the conversation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:44 AM, <<a href="mailto:CSTURMJR@pitt.edu" target="_blank">CSTURMJR@pitt.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jodi,<br>
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Not exactly sure about the premise, however, I don't believe that I would<br>
be willing to maintain the data in a personal collection without the<br>
specimens as vouchers. I maintain a small collection of mollusks. Those<br>
which do not involve my research are transfer to the Carnegie Museum;<br>
specimens and data. Those over which I continue to maintain ownership will<br>
be transferred to the Carnegie at some in the future. They will then get<br>
the specimens and all associated data. I would imaging if I wanted to make<br>
the data available now, I would set up a personal webpage and post it<br>
there.<br>
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> Please forgive cross-posting.<br>
><br>
> Does anyone have recommendations for repositories for invertebrate<br>
> specimen data in PERSONAL collections, not an institutional collection?<br>
> Specific to a taxonomic group or general. Thanks for any leads.<br>
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> Jodi Shippee<br>
> Assistant Data Manager<br>
> Vermont Natural Heritage Inventory<br>
> Vermont Fish & Wildlife Department<br>
> 1 National Life Drive, Davis 2<br>
> Montpelier, VT 05620-3702<br>
> <a href="tel:%28802%29272-2855">(802)272-2855</a><br>
><br>
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Regards,<br>
Charlie<br>
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Charlie Sturm<br>
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Treasurer<br>
American Malacological Society<br>
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Research Associate - Section of Mollusks<br>
Carnegie Museum of Natural History<br>
Pittsburgh, PA, USA<br>
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Associate Professor - Family Medicine<br>
Fellow-American Academy of Family Practice<br>
Fellow-Academy of Wilderness Medicine<br>
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_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p>
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