<div dir="ltr">the arguments against collections have nothing to do with their value. <div>It has to do with competing interests by others who want the space or funds to use elsewhere. </div><div>The disbanded collections nationwide are a travesty to say the least. </div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Bentley, Andrew Charles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:abentley@ku.edu" target="_blank">abentley@ku.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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the benefits to society as a whole while also educating the scientists as to how to convey their message. There was some very unfortunate language used in that piece that caused the outcry that it did. If it had been worded differently I doubt the same would
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 25, 2016 12:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ellen Paul <<a href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net" target="_blank">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Another excellent article on the value of collections<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">This is a great article. Unfortunately, there is an even bigger problem when it comes to vertebrates and especially cute or pretty vertebrates. The reaction to the collection of a single bird by Chris Filardi
was appalling to say the least. You can run articles like this until the end of time and people will still get hysterical over the collection of cute/pretty vertebrates.
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