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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">... interesting note on the DEET -
never thought of this.<br>
Thanks for sharing, Chris!<br>
<br>
Best wishes<br>
Dirk<br>
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Am 01.06.2016 um 15:49 schrieb Christine Johnson:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Jon,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">We
too had a one-time issue with the ink having come off of a
few labels in a loan return of specimens in 75% ethanol.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">We
never were able to pinpoint exactly the issue, as it only
seemed to be these few vials, whereas the other vials in
this loan return were completely unaffected.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">However,
there are solvent/surfactant products that will cause the
ink to dissolve, disintegration, smear, fall off.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">These
are:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Industrial
surfactants (Aerosol OT & Contrad) using in
<i>specimen rehydration</i>. So if there is residue of these
surfactants in/on the specimens, this may/will cause the
label to fail. This might be avoided if specimens are rinsed
well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Methyl
ethyl ketone (butanone) or MEK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Glacial
Acetic Acid (3 mol)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">DEET
(so if you are in the field and have DEET on your hands, you
might not want to handle the labels)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Make
sure to use Thermal Transfer SDR ribbon (not SDRa). I am
still using an old SATO M-84Pro printer and get the paper
(polytag) and SDR ribbon from Alpha Systems, and outside
these very few vials, we’ve not had a problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Fong<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 27, 2016 4:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] Thermal label problems<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are having a label printer problem
that supposedly no one else has, so I'm asking around to
see if it really is only us, or whether that no one else
has noticed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The problem is that we are able to
scrape off the ink with a fingernail from our thermal
transfer labels after they've been soaked in ethanol for a
few minutes. We're using a relatively new Datamax H-4408,
with supposedly chemical-resistant resin ribbon, and
polyester paper. This shouldn't happen, and I know that
we've been able to successfully print labels where we
couldn't scratch off the ink. With this printer. But it
keeps recurring, and we don't know whether it's the
supplier (Alpha Systems), the manufacturer, our printer
(lemon? doubtful, it's the second one), or us. Please
answer this quick survey.<o:p></o:p></p>
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With a recently printed label, soaked in ethanol for a
few minutes, are you able to scratch off ink with your
fingernail?<o:p></o:p></li>
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What make/model of printer do you use?<o:p></o:p></li>
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What are the heat and print speed settings on the
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Which ribbon and paper do you use?<o:p></o:p></li>
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Who do you order your supplies from?<o:p></o:p></li>
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We've also had problems with fine white threads coming
off the polyester paper and clogging the print head.
Anyone else experience this?<o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your time,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jon<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span
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D. Fong</span></b><b><span
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</span></b><span
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Assistant / Programmer<br>
Dept. of Ichthyology<br>
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