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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">... apparently RIR is using <br>
<br>
pure barium sulfate (insoluble in water and pH neutral) as paper
brightener (cf. wikipedia section); barium is a heavy metal and it
might be worth testing how much barium gets solved if immersed in
96% EthOH<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Barium-5Fsulfate&d=CwMD-g&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=5JM_j-aYlqQ-PWhGjALnFjjsWtXgyTb3v9_aeeOwNMI&s=AjJo-zB3Snzj22ifaJoDVfeQygAgZjjX1bcIwuy118s&e=">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barium_sulfate</a><br>
<br>
Lucidene®605 seems to be not pH neutral (> 8.0), and might
cause pH shifts, especially in 96% EthOH which barely has any
buffering capacities, especially since RIR paper omits any calcium
carbonate in the paper <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.hydrite.com_Files_resources_Paints-2DCoatings-2DInks-2D-2DAdhesives_GraphicArtsIndustryBrochure-2Dv5.pdf&d=CwMD-g&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=5JM_j-aYlqQ-PWhGjALnFjjsWtXgyTb3v9_aeeOwNMI&s=TE424emySUQKGDknSD6qQqYyZ3uyMO1dlCLz_00NxlM&e=">http://www.hydrite.com/Files/resources/Paints-Coatings-Inks--Adhesives/GraphicArtsIndustryBrochure-v5.pdf</a><br>
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and one acrylic monomere (which they don't exactly want to
disclose; they are citing a broader range of such acrylates);
these are small acidic and highly reactive molecules, as the
denaturant methyl ethyl ketone (MEK) based on a propylene. It is
the simplest unsaturated carboxylic acid, and miscible in water,
alcohols ethers and chloroform.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Acrylic-5Facid&d=CwMD-g&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=5JM_j-aYlqQ-PWhGjALnFjjsWtXgyTb3v9_aeeOwNMI&s=y7goomOq6zi4mkPu0unz-DoVq69dtQZm8Kelvt8B4vM&e=">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylic_acid</a><br>
<br>
Waterproof sheet od RIR are "<i>derived from monomers selected
from the group consisting of styrene, butyl acrylate,
2-ethylhexyl acrylate, acrylic acid, and a mixture thereof</i>"<br>
<br>
Acrylic acid reacts with alcohols and forms the corresponding
esters; respective esters and slats thereof are known as
acrylates, which are highly reactive; it also readily combine with
themselves to form polyarcylic acid or other suited monomers
(containing ammonium) to acrylonitrile or acrylamid.<br>
<br>
It is not unlikely that it dissolves into the ethanol of the
tissue tubes and at least may cause pH shifts, but may also
otherwise spoil the DNA of included organisms.<br>
<br>
If the overall pH remains neutral because of the Lucidene remains
to be tested, but from the ingredients that are disclosed, I
would not use it inside tubes, even though this might be handy in
the field or researchers love it the easy way.<br>
<br>
Thanks for sharing the patent link, Dean - good to know that you
can look up patents online<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
Dirk<br>
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Am 04.01.2017 um 22:39 schrieb Dirk Neumann:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Alexandra,<br>
<br>
I am not sure about the composition of RIR, but if uses
formaldehyde e.g. in the pulp to glue it together, the paper
might be reactive if it gets into contact with formalin, e.g.
start to swell, get sticky / stick together. I once tried a high
quality archival paper and put a small bundle of labels into
formalin. As soon as they entered, they started to swell and
stuck firmly together; it was impossible to detach individual
labels from each other again.<br>
<br>
But there are also other chemicals that could do harm (e.g.
shifting the pH). Normally, if a paper is some sort of water
resistant, either the surface and bottom and/or the pulp is
hydrophobised. Normal paper already uses up to 30 chemicals,
waterproofed paper surely more. Even if you use RIR only
temporarily in the field until samples are returned, you may
already have a chemical cocktail inside because 96% EthOH is a
fairly good organic solvent, too.<br>
<br>
For me, externally pre-numbered tubes seem the safer option; or
tubes that can be marked externally with pencils. If those
internally RIR tagged samples fail during extraction or give bad
sequencing results, you add just one more unknown to the black
box of weird lab mysteries making samples fail.<br>
<br>
I guess the only other option would be to specifically test for
effects of internal RIR tags by subdividing a tissue to two
tubes, one externally labelled, the other with internal RIR,
returned under identical conditions to the lab, and compare e.g.
DNA yields after extraction, PCR results, etc. if you want to be
sure. For sure still not the answer you are looking for, but
hope it offers some sort of help. <br>
<br>
All the best<br>
Dirk<br>
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Am 04.01.2017 um 21:20 schrieb Alexandra Snyder:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Andy, Absolutely. No disagreement there, i.e.,
external labels. Thanks for reminding the list.
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<div>I would still like to document the condition of tissue
accessions rec'd with RIR labels and the USFWS hatchery
folks are curious re: the use of Rite in Rain for temporary
labels. </div>
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<div>If there is a way to get an idea or if anyone has
knowledge of RIR properties, I would like to hear about it.
I recognize that manufacturers do not share recipes, but
one never knows.<br>
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<p><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Rite-in-Rain
or "all weather" field paper is used by the many
agency biologists depositing specimens and
genetic samples with the MSB Division of Fishes
and other repositories. Recently, the USFWS
Southwestern Native Aquatic Resources and
Recovery Center has requested that I find out if
there are any issues with using this paper for
genetic labels in the field or otherwise. They
tried to get information from the Rite-in-Rain
company re: what was in the paper and coating
(formalin?) to determine if the paper would pose
a problem for genetic samples. The company was
not forthcoming re: Rite-in-Rain product
specifics. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">We
have had many genetic samples received at both
the Center and the MSB with these paper tags
made by tearing pieces of paper out of the
RIR field books, writing the sample number on
RIR tag with pencil, and stuffing the tag into
a cryotube. Not optimal in terms of
contamination issues, etc. but getting word out
to field crews, etc. can be difficult. For many
projects, I preprint labels on polyspun paper
(DataMax) for researchers, but there are many
opportunistic collections that receive these
temporary labels. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Any
thoughts or insights? Does anyone have an idea
of how this paper is manufactured/treated?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"> Thank
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Muenchhausenstr. 21
81247 Munich (Germany)
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Tel: 089 / 8107-111
Fax: 089 / 8107-300
email: Dirk.Neumann(a)zsm.mwn.de
Postanschrift:
Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns
Zoologische Staatssammlung München
Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Labor
Münchhausenstr. 21
81247 München
Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung:
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Tel: +49-89-8107-111
Fax: +49-89-8107-300
email: Dirk.Neumann(a)zsm.mwn.de
postal address:
Bavarian Natural History Collections
The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology
Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Lab
Muenchhausenstr. 21
81247 Munich (Germany)
Visit our section at:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.zsm.mwn.de_ich_&d=CwMD-g&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=5JM_j-aYlqQ-PWhGjALnFjjsWtXgyTb3v9_aeeOwNMI&s=Rmy7PY6fBUcX9RVt42lMbdK8oYcorovLOEqKgyjtGDo&e=">http://www.zsm.mwn.de/ich/</a>
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