<div dir="ltr">We have been using black inkjet labels on resistall-treated rag paper for years without any problems.  I do not advocate the use of laser-printed labels in wet collections, especially now with the toner that is &quot;bonded&quot; at a lower heat than 20 years ago.  Andy&#39;s recommendation for the thermal printed labels is certainly acceptable as well.<div><br></div><div>Back when we had different systems, our best results were when the labels were done on daisywheel and 24-pin dot matrix printers with multistrike carbon ribbons. <br><div><br></div><div>Mark</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Dirk Neumann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dirk.neumann@zsm.mwn.de" target="_blank">dirk.neumann@zsm.mwn.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div class="m_-6504515505694908666moz-cite-prefix">... we had some cracking of spun bound
      polyester of labels where we had specimens on loan, after they got
      exposed to our alcohol for approx. 1 year. But this was few single
      labels only so far. Have no details on their system, but will look
      into this for the fluid best practice.<br>
      <br>
      The labels Andy sent me some time back do well on my window sill;
      but this is a different polyester material.<br>
      <br>
      In general, polyester labels are rather rigid; they may not be the
      first choice if they could get into direct contact with fragile
      specimens (e.g. they could break off antennas of insects or poke
      into jelly fish when labelling jars). But as said, it is surely
      worth to do some testing first and they opt for what seems most
      suited for your purpose.<br>
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      All the best<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
      Dirk</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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      Am 02.02.2017 um 12:25 schrieb Bentley, Andrew Charles:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Heidi<u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">The gold standard for wet collections is
          the thermal transfer printer and spun bound polyester media
          system that a number of museums have been using for some time
          now.  We have been using it in our ichthyology and herpetology
          collections for over 15 years and have been extremely happy
          with them – no fading, yellowing, cracking or any
          deterioration in a number of different environments – ethanol,
          isopropanol, formalin, glycerin – pure and with specimen
          associated oils and contaminants.<u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I have had an informal test ongoing on my
          window ledge for about 11 years now with labels in all
          solutions in direct sunlight and the labels still look as new.<u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Attached is information about the printer,
          the pricing from Alpha Systems and an article I wrote for the
          SPNHC newsletter some time back.<u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">As Dirk mentioned there was some worry a
          while back about labels not standing up to certain fluids but
          this was traced back to a batch of incorrect ribbon that was
          shipped to various users.<u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Happy to provide further details if you are
          interested or ship you some sample labels to try.<u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Andy<u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> 
                A  :             A  :             A  :<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> }&lt;(((_°&gt;.,.,.,.}&lt;(((_°&gt;.,.,.,<wbr>.}&lt;)))_°&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                V                V                V<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Andy
                Bentley<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Ichthyology
                Collection Manager<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">University
                of Kansas<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Biodiversity
                Institute<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Dyche
                Hall<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">1345
                Jayhawk Boulevard<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Lawrence,
                KS, 66045-7561<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">USA<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Tel:
                <a href="tel:(785)%20864-3863" value="+17858643863" target="_blank">(785) 864-3863</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Fax:
                <a href="tel:(785)%20864-5335" value="+17858645335" target="_blank">(785) 864-5335</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Email: <a href="mailto:abentley@ku.edu" target="_blank">abentley@ku.edu</a>  <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu_&d=CwMGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=4TOW8tLwOVRu9nEscKypE2nnioB1duAorAvHcQYb1B0&s=6nKtXmKUAebAO72abVdUcO9rY_CVPlc-bAVTiVVZ8Kg&e=" target="_blank">http://ichthyology.<wbr>biodiversity.ku.edu</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">SPNHC
                Past President<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.spnhc.org_&d=CwMGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=4TOW8tLwOVRu9nEscKypE2nnioB1duAorAvHcQYb1B0&s=kC_v_3BOFf1IT2UCBxtEcDoj1YCwDJPzydE6ZOs8cD0&e=" target="_blank">http://www.spnhc.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">                          
                :                 :    <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">   
                A  :             A  :             A  :<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> }&lt;(((_°&gt;.,.,.,.}&lt;(((_°&gt;.,.,.,<wbr>.}&lt;)))_°&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">   
            V                V                V</span><u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black"><a class="m_-6504515505694908666moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">&lt;nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.<wbr>yale.edu&gt;</a>
              on behalf of Heidi Gartner
              <a class="m_-6504515505694908666moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:HGartner@royalbcmuseum.bc.ca" target="_blank">&lt;HGartner@royalbcmuseum.bc.ca&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 1, 2017 at 2:48 PM<br>
              <b>To: </b><a class="m_-6504515505694908666moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">&quot;nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu&quot;</a>
              <a class="m_-6504515505694908666moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">&lt;nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>[Nhcoll-l] guidelines for printing labels</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Hello,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Can
            someone please direct me to a resource/guidelines for the
            best settings for printing labels that will be immersed in
            alcohol (and occasionally formalin)? 
          </span><u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">We
            have been printing using a laser printer (Lexmar MS310dn) on
            permafiber paper.  We have been using this system for years
            but I have recently noticed that, particularly on small
            (vial sized) labels, that abrasion is wearing/scratching off
            some of the ink (mainly from forcept or vial mouth).  The
            label ink doesn’t bleed once immersed but I am still
            concerned with the long term viability of these labels.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Many
            thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">______________________________<wbr>______________________________<wbr>______________________________<wbr>____</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Heidi
              Gartner
            </span></b><span>     </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Collection
            Manager and Researcher, Invertebrates  |  Collections,
            Knowledge and Engagement</span><span>      <br>
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          </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">675
            Belleville Street, Victoria, BC Canada V8W 9W2  </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">
          </span><span><br>
          </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">T
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          </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><br>
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Dirk Neumann

Tel: 089 / 8107-111
Fax: 089 / 8107-300
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Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns
Zoologische Staatssammlung München
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Münchhausenstr. 21
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postal address:

Bavarian Natural History Collections
The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology
Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Lab
Muenchhausenstr. 21
81247 Munich (Germany)

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