<div dir="ltr"><div><div>A capital idea --making a case for how to write bird common names. It's a topic more diverse in opinion than bird biodiversity itself. Grousing about it on some lek will only raise more dust.<br><br></div>As for Greater problems, the Science article cited (below) references greater sage grouse five times, sage grouse fifteen times, and grouse 23 times, and that's counting the variants for hy-phen-a-tion or CaPiTaLiZaTiOn.<br><br></div>Peter<br><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 5:27 AM, Ellen Paul <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net" target="_blank">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Correcting myself, after gentle nudge from a colleague:<br>
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<div class="m_4539932038226430398moz-cite-prefix">On 2/26/17 7:45 AM, Ellen Paul wrote:<br>
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<p>Just FYI, at least as of now, there is no active effort to list
Greater Sage-grouse (you may as well use the correct common
name, since we ornithologists actually have official common
names and we capitalize). <br>
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<p>This has been an enormous source of discussion, fairly
civilized, for many years. It resulted in this:
<a class="m_4539932038226430398moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sciencemag.org_news_2017_02_will-2Dtrump-2Drevamp-2Dcomplex-2Dplan-2Dsave-2Dendangered-2Dsage-2Dgrouse&d=DwMD-g&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=gwGdml77RY19PcFnsGj3fvNj0gxTrkB-894s1PY4swg&s=9RXEIv-4k5pNsfRyIH-YSyKruBl157JtQeBhe-JthoI&e=" target="_blank">http://www.sciencemag.org/<wbr>news/2017/02/will-trump-<wbr>revamp-complex-plan-save-<wbr>endangered-sage-grouse</a></p>
<p>The states did in fact fight the listing. That's what brought
about this agreement. <br>
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<p>Anyone who thinks a listing now is even remotely possible isn't
paying much attention to current events.</p>
<p>Sorry to be negative but the bill was introduced by a Democrat,
has one co-sponsor, and was sent to five committees. Those are
not good odds.<br>
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<div>I am wondering what meaning is intended by this
statement in the "Talking Points" document,<br>
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"... and the potentially catastrophic effects on a 12
state region of a listing of the grouse as an
endangered species."<br>
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Will the listing create a catastrophic effect on those
states? If so, why would those states not fight against
the proposed listing?<br>
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Or, is there some more esoteric meaning being intended by
the statement, such as "Gee, these states will be
embarrassed and economically impacted by a listing of the
Sage grouse, dissuading Sage grouse tourism, for example"
?<br>
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<div>And, btw, in my opinion this statement does not contain
very persuasive "talking points".<br>
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In any case, this Sage grouse Talking Point needs some
urgent attention.<br>
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<div>I am passing along this Action Alert
from the American Society of Plant
Taxonomists' Environment and Public Policy
Committee, providing information and links
about the recently introduced US
legislation that aims to increase
botanical knowledge (and personnel!)
within the US Department of Interior and
to create more demand for use of native,
instead of introduced, plant materials in
federal projects. </div>
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