<div dir="ltr"><div><div>A capital idea --making a case for how to write bird common names. It&#39;s a topic more diverse in opinion than bird biodiversity itself.  Grousing about it on some lek will only raise more dust.<br><br></div>As for Greater problems, the Science article cited (below) references greater sage grouse five times, sage grouse fifteen times, and grouse 23 times, and that&#39;s counting the variants for hy-phen-a-tion or CaPiTaLiZaTiOn.<br><br></div>Peter<br><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 5:27 AM, Ellen Paul <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net" target="_blank">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Correcting myself, after gentle nudge from a colleague:<br>
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    <p>Greater Sage-Grouse</p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Ellen Paul</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Executive Director</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nmnh.si.edu_BIRDNET&amp;d=DwMD-g&amp;c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&amp;r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&amp;m=fSvCwcdWJgRS3FjWFgXwflHUs16QhvPSueS4RgRrbZQ&amp;s=xp671L3woeQ-NtPVz_4jOdmk5Ku8ymWgzoi3q6cK90s&amp;e=" target="_blank">Ornithological
            Council</a>  <br>
          Providing Scientific Information about Birds</p>
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    <div class="m_4539932038226430398moz-cite-prefix">On 2/26/17 7:45 AM, Ellen Paul wrote:<br>
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      <p>Just FYI, at least as of now, there is no active effort to list
        Greater Sage-grouse (you may as well use the correct common
        name, since we ornithologists actually have official common
        names and we capitalize). <br>
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      <p>This has been an enormous source of discussion, fairly
        civilized, for many years. It resulted in this:
        <a class="m_4539932038226430398moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sciencemag.org_news_2017_02_will-2Dtrump-2Drevamp-2Dcomplex-2Dplan-2Dsave-2Dendangered-2Dsage-2Dgrouse&amp;d=DwMD-g&amp;c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&amp;r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&amp;m=gwGdml77RY19PcFnsGj3fvNj0gxTrkB-894s1PY4swg&amp;s=9RXEIv-4k5pNsfRyIH-YSyKruBl157JtQeBhe-JthoI&amp;e=" target="_blank">http://www.sciencemag.org/<wbr>news/2017/02/will-trump-<wbr>revamp-complex-plan-save-<wbr>endangered-sage-grouse</a></p>
      <p>The states did in fact fight the listing. That&#39;s what brought
        about this agreement. <br>
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      <p>Anyone who thinks a listing now is even remotely possible isn&#39;t
        paying much attention to current events.</p>
      <p>Sorry to be negative but the bill was introduced by a Democrat,
        has one co-sponsor, and was sent to five committees. Those are
        not good odds.<br>
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      <p>Ellen<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nmnh.si.edu_BIRDNET&amp;d=DwMD-g&amp;c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&amp;r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&amp;m=gwGdml77RY19PcFnsGj3fvNj0gxTrkB-894s1PY4swg&amp;s=ulB9Mq58UMkiYHnedUk-x3l7ibodn2Ky8FKo5IAaGT4&amp;e=" target="_blank">Ornithological
              Council</a>  <br>
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        On 2/25/17 12:21 PM, Peter Rauch wrote:<br>
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                <div>I am wondering what meaning is intended by this
                  statement in the &quot;Talking Points&quot; document,<br>
                  <br>
                  <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__plantconservationalliance.org_files_pca_Talking-2520Points-2520Seed-2520Strategy-2520and-2520Botany-2520Bill.pdf&amp;d=DwMFaQ&amp;c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&amp;r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&amp;m=KsMMVHi9t8WMcvLWUZhWFr52jpZl0pJc0GZjGHeMfbg&amp;s=sjsN_Qu9zFQTBAnMkoE0-LaSZ6VDYTigc0i_JLvsrc4&amp;e=" target="_blank">http://<wbr>plantconservationalliance.org/<wbr>files/pca/Talking%20Points%<wbr>20Seed%20Strategy%20and%<wbr>20Botany%20Bill.pdf</a><br>
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                  &quot;... and the potentially catastrophic effects on a 12
                  state region of a listing of the grouse as an
                  endangered species.&quot;<br>
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                Will the listing create a catastrophic effect on those
                states?  If so, why would those states not fight against
                the proposed listing?<br>
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              Or, is there some more esoteric meaning being intended by
              the statement, such as &quot;Gee, these states will be
              embarrassed and economically impacted by a listing of the
              Sage grouse, dissuading Sage grouse tourism, for example&quot;
              ?<br>
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            <div>And, btw, in my opinion this statement does not contain
              very persuasive &quot;talking points&quot;.<br>
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            In any case, this Sage grouse Talking Point needs some
            urgent attention.<br>
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          Peter<br>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at
                        6:42 AM, Richard Rabeler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rabeler@umich.edu" target="_blank">rabeler@umich.edu</a>&gt;</span>
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                          <div dir="ltr">Colleagues:
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                            <div>I am passing along this Action Alert
                              from the American Society of Plant
                              Taxonomists&#39; Environment and Public Policy
                              Committee, providing information and links
                              about the recently introduced US
                              legislation that aims to increase
                              botanical knowledge (and personnel!)
                              within the US Department of Interior and
                              to create more demand for use of native,
                              instead of introduced, plant materials in
                              federal projects. </div>
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                                  <div>Rich Rabeler, MICH </div>
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