<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Maybe I missed something here, but the original post on this thread was about a Bill being introduced that would promote an increase in botanical knowledge and promote the use of native plants in federal projects. How did this conversational thread get hijacked into a discussion of legislation about endangered species and sage grousel?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Dr. Debra Trock<div><b>Director of Science Collections &</b></div><div><b>Senior Collections Manager, Botany</b></div><div>California Academy of Sciences</div><div>55 Music Concourse Drive</div><div>San Francisco, CA 94118</div><div><a href="mailto:dtrock@calacademy.org" target="_blank">dtrock@calacademy.org</a></div><div>PH: 415-379-5363</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 4:45 AM, Ellen Paul <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net" target="_blank">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Just FYI, at least as of now, there is no active effort to list
Greater Sage-grouse (you may as well use the correct common name,
since we ornithologists actually have official common names and we
capitalize). <br>
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<p>This has been an enormous source of discussion, fairly civilized,
for many years. It resulted in this:
<a class="m_-3289544586495230823moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sciencemag.org_news_2017_02_will-2Dtrump-2Drevamp-2Dcomplex-2Dplan-2Dsave-2Dendangered-2Dsage-2Dgrouse&d=DwMD-g&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=gwGdml77RY19PcFnsGj3fvNj0gxTrkB-894s1PY4swg&s=9RXEIv-4k5pNsfRyIH-YSyKruBl157JtQeBhe-JthoI&e=" target="_blank">http://www.sciencemag.org/<wbr>news/2017/02/will-trump-<wbr>revamp-complex-plan-save-<wbr>endangered-sage-grouse</a></p>
<p>The states did in fact fight the listing. That's what brought
about this agreement. <br>
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<p>Anyone who thinks a listing now is even remotely possible isn't
paying much attention to current events.</p>
<p>Sorry to be negative but the bill was introduced by a Democrat,
has one co-sponsor, and was sent to five committees. Those are not
good odds.<br>
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<p>Ellen<br>
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On 2/25/17 12:21 PM, Peter Rauch wrote:<br>
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<div>I am wondering what meaning is intended by this
statement in the "Talking Points" document,<br>
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<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__plantconservationalliance.org_files_pca_Talking-2520Points-2520Seed-2520Strategy-2520and-2520Botany-2520Bill.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=CLFZJ3fvGSmDp7xK1dNZfh6uGV_h-8NVlo3fXNoRNzI&m=KsMMVHi9t8WMcvLWUZhWFr52jpZl0pJc0GZjGHeMfbg&s=sjsN_Qu9zFQTBAnMkoE0-LaSZ6VDYTigc0i_JLvsrc4&e=" target="_blank">http://<wbr>plantconservationalliance.org/<wbr>files/pca/Talking%20Points%<wbr>20Seed%20Strategy%20and%<wbr>20Botany%20Bill.pdf</a><br>
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"... and the potentially catastrophic effects on a 12
state region of a listing of the grouse as an endangered
species."<br>
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Will the listing create a catastrophic effect on those
states? If so, why would those states not fight against
the proposed listing?<br>
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Or, is there some more esoteric meaning being intended by
the statement, such as "Gee, these states will be
embarrassed and economically impacted by a listing of the
Sage grouse, dissuading Sage grouse tourism, for example" ?<br>
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<div>And, btw, in my opinion this statement does not contain
very persuasive "talking points".<br>
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In any case, this Sage grouse Talking Point needs some urgent
attention.<br>
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Peter<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at
6:42 AM, Richard Rabeler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rabeler@umich.edu" target="_blank">rabeler@umich.edu</a>></span>
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<div>I am passing along this Action Alert from
the American Society of Plant Taxonomists'
Environment and Public Policy Committee,
providing information and links about the
recently introduced US legislation that aims
to increase botanical knowledge (and
personnel!) within the US Department of
Interior and to create more demand for use
of native, instead of introduced, plant
materials in federal projects. </div>
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