<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Hi Juliette,<br><br></span></div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">I know nothing about what possibilities/options exist for transferring your collection. Others have provided many suggestions. But what is common among their responses is that they too do not know the full character and magnitude of the problem you may be faced with.<br><br></span></div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Below is the only information I've been able to glean from your two emails describing the (portion of the?) collection that is in liquid which may need some manner of conditioning at some point before, during, and/or after moving it to new storage facility, itself hitherto of undescribed construction and features.<br><br></span></div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">"Many organisms"? What about number of containers --hundreds, thousands, more? How many containers of each type of organism; each type of fluid perservative? What's the ratio of fluid volumes to specimen volumes (e.g., lots of fluid for a specimen, or are specimens packed tightly into the containers with not much preservative fluid)?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><br></span></div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Why are the fluids evaporating? (E.g., will the containers themselves need to be changed even if you weren't to replace the preservative fluids in them, entailing perhaps even more handling of the specimens? I assume that the "new storage" you indicate is referring to a new facility/building, and not new specimen containers.)<br><br></span></div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">"Many marine specimens", but in proportion relative to the kinds of preservatives each kind is preserved in, are most containers "Alcool", "Ethanol" (and, are you making a distinction between alcool and ethanol)?<br><br></span></div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">But then you also indicate that you do not know in what fluids the specimens are currently preserved.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Does the " </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">compulsory from our guardianship and funders " condition really require "no evaporation of products", or does it require that any such evaporations be safely management (e.g., captured, disposed of)? Does it really require "</span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><span lang="SV"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">no flammable or
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have a collection which is maintained in fluids, and we want to repack
it. The specimens are currently in liquid as Alcool, Ethanol and a bit
of Formol.<br></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="margin-left:40px"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"></span></div><div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-left:40px"><br><span lang="SV"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">"Actually,
the collection needs to be moved into safer fluids, for its own
conservation (the fluids are evaporating), and because it will be moved
to a new storage, that need to match new standards (no flammable or
toxic products allowed, no evaporation of products, keeping the
possibility of studying DNA, etc.).<br></span></span></div><div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-left:40px"><span lang="SV"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><br></span></span></div><div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-left:40px">"... <span lang="SV"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">we have many marine organisms like fishes, shellfishes, cnidarians, sponges, ascidians, and so on... But we also have mammals,
reptilians and amphibians for instance.</span></span></span></div><div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-left:40px"><br><span lang="SV"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">"And we don’t know in which fluid the collections are currently preserved, neither the way they were fixed.</span></span></span></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span lang="SV"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><br></span></span></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span lang="SV"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"><br></span></span></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span lang="SV"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">[Full text of emails from J. Galpin]<br></span></span></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span lang="SV"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"></span>
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to a new storage, that need to match new standards (no flammable or toxic products allowed, no evaporation of products, keeping the possibility of studying DNA, etc.). It is compulsory from our guardianship and funders of our new storage location. And Kaiserling
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we wish to recondition it in Kaiserling III, which is a mixture of glycerin and acetate of potassium without any formol. I don’t know if you know, or use, this liquid.</span><span lang="SV"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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