<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I have attached the Ruthven publication from 1911 that Doug mentioned (reduced this time).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Gotham Narrow SSm A","Gotham Narrow SSm B",Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14px">1911. A simple type of museum jar for large alcoholic specimens. The Museums Journal, 10:200-201.</span><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Gotham Narrow SSm A","Gotham Narrow SSm B",Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div>Greg Schneider<br>Division of Reptiles and Amphibians<br></div><div>Museum of Zoology</div><div>Research Museums Center</div><div>3600 Varsity Drive<br>University of Michigan<br></div><div>Ann Arbor, Michigan 48108</div><div><p style="margin:0px"><a value="+17347630740" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">734 647 1927 </a></p></div></div><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:navy"><a href="mailto:ges@umich.edu" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">ges@umich.edu</a></span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:navy"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0px"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0px"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><img border="0" width="96" height="97" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CD6BEB.4D6147C0" alt="Description: Description: logocolor"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0px"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ummz.lsa.umich.edu_rep-5Famph_index.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=LpYc_Z_iN1KRw0hheb3x6-8MJUMu482qfHowpGYJqwc&m=sRANk34aYFChqA3BrhB7HxjLcHpoepxu5GsVFapZuTg&s=O4hGMWZiPnqbMxuAEaDAH_jajIOcv4i23uqEZQ8ORnE&e=" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">www.ummz.lsa.umich.edu/rep_amph/index.html</a></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Bloch,Lindsay <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lbloch@floridamuseum.ufl.edu" target="_blank">lbloch@floridamuseum.ufl.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Thanks for all the responses to my request. Given Lex's fabulous information, I was able to hone my Googling, and came up with a journal note from 1900 that promotes the use of these jars. <br>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.000000pt;font-family:'Code2000'">A Sealing Stone Jar for Zoological Laboratories<br>
Author(s): J. B. Johnston<br>
Source: The American Naturalist, Vol. 34, No. 408 (Dec., 1900), pp. 969-970<br>
Published by: The University of Chicago Press for The American Society of Naturalists </span></p>
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<p>I'm still curious to hear anecdotes about these jars, so keep those coming. Thanks so much!<br>
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<div>The University of Michigan, Museum of Zoology fish and herp collections also used these brown glaze stoneware crocks. Carl L Hubbs, ichthyologist UMMZ 1920-1944 (collector of large numbers of fishes) purchased them to house over-sized specimens, sometime
in the 1930's. (Many of these have since been replaced by glass buckets or stainless steel tanks.) I was informed of this by Reeve M. Bailey, Curator Emeritus (my mentor in fish collections curatorial technique) and who worked with CL Hubbs as a student
in the 30's and later as Curator of Fishes until his retirement in 1981. Reeve referred to these as sauerkraut or pickle crocks and thought these were purchased by the "truckload" directly from the manufacturer in Zanesville OH. This made sense in that Zanesville
is still know for its stoneware and had a local market for its product with the farming communities and German population of the US Midwest.</div>
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<div> The other crock style (or a lid type that may have been mistakenly purchased) found in UMMZ fish collections was referred to as a "butter churn." Same brown glaze and style as those in your photo but the lid had a hole in the middle...and I can't
remember how that was sealed, which was one of my duties while managing the UMMZ collections: mix batches of beeswax and petroleum jelly (50/50), remove the old beeswax sealant from the edge of crock and lid, and apply new mix to get a seal. (Not my favorite
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<div>I have replaced these crocks with stainless steel tanks from two different collections over the past thirty something years. I suspect these were used in many fish and herp collections throughout the US.</div>
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<div>Thank you for bringing up an interesting history in museum curatorial practice. </div>
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<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">I am seeking information on ceramic storage vessels used for housing fish specimens in the 20th century. Here at the Florida Museum we have a number of large stoneware crocks (see attached images) that were used for oversized specimens
before large glass jars were widely available. <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">The crocks came to us in the late 1970s with the collection of Ralph Yerger. He obtained his PhD from Cornell, and we have reason to believe that some of his initial
collection may have originated there, including these vessels.</span><br>
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<p>Our crocks are similar in form to those used for food fermentation (pickles/sauerkraut/meat), with a water well in the rim that could produce an airlock. In the museum, they were sealed with beeswax to reduce evaporation. It is unclear whether they are repurposed
fermentation crocks, or if they were made intentionally for museum curation. <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">They</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> are molded, using a buff/cream colored stoneware clay, with brown Albany Slip on the interior and exterior.
The matching lids were wheel-thrown. </span>They are 24” tall and 12” diameter. There are no maker's marks or capacity marks of any kind. <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Unfortunately, late 19th-early 20th century industrial
pottery has not received much scholarly a</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">ttention, so it is difficult t</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">o track down, especially without maker's
marks. </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> </span></p>
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<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">I'm trying to learn where these vessels were produced, and whether they were widely used or a Cornell-centered idiosyncrasy. Given the history of pottery production and fermented foods, I'm currently thinking that the northeastern
US is a likely origin, though the form has precursors in Europe, especially Germany. Please let me know if you have seen these or other similar ceramic vessels for housing museum collections. You may reach me off-list at
<a href="mailto:lbloch@floridamuseum.ufl.edu" target="_blank">lbloch@floridamuseum.ufl.edu</a>. Thanks for any help you can provide.</p>
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