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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi All,<br>
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this is a typical Sauerkraut crock - but honestly, never spotted
these as specimen jars so far. At least not in Germany (even in
very old historic collections).<br>
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Normally, those crocks are sealed by water-filled rims which would
only need occasional refilling in a cool root cellar (which is the
typical storage location for such stoneware). The rims of the lid
and the container are uneven, to allow fermentation gases to
escape through the water-filled grove if the inner pressure is
high enough, which is one of the main features of these crocks.<br>
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Thus it is very surprising that they were used to produce a proper
specimen container.<br>
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All the best<br>
Dirk<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Lindsay,
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<div>The University of Michigan, Museum of Zoology fish and herp
collections also used these brown glaze stoneware crocks. Carl
L Hubbs, ichthyologist UMMZ 1920-1944 (collector of large
numbers of fishes) purchased them to house over-sized
specimens, sometime in the 1930's. (Many of these have since
been replaced by glass buckets or stainless steel tanks.) I
was informed of this by Reeve M. Bailey, Curator Emeritus (my
mentor in fish collections curatorial technique) and who
worked with CL Hubbs as a student in the 30's and later as
Curator of Fishes until his retirement in 1981. Reeve
referred to these as sauerkraut or pickle crocks and thought
these were purchased by the "truckload" directly from the
manufacturer in Zanesville OH. This made sense in that
Zanesville is still know for its stoneware and had a local
market for its product with the farming communities and German
population of the US Midwest.</div>
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<div> The other crock style (or a lid type that may have been
mistakenly purchased) found in UMMZ fish collections was
referred to as a "butter churn." Same brown glaze and style
as those in your photo but the lid had a hole in the
middle...and I can't remember how that was sealed, which was
one of my duties while managing the UMMZ collections: mix
batches of beeswax and petroleum jelly (50/50), remove the old
beeswax sealant from the edge of crock and lid, and apply new
mix to get a seal. (Not my favorite job.) </div>
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<div>I have replaced these crocks with stainless steel tanks
from two different collections over the past thirty something
years. I suspect these were used in many fish and herp
collections throughout the US.</div>
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<div>Thank you for bringing up an interesting history in museum
curatorial practice. </div>
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<div>Lex</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 7:02 AM,
Bloch,Lindsay <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lbloch@floridamuseum.ufl.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lbloch@floridamuseum.ufl.edu</a>></span>
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<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Hello,<br>
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<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">I am seeking information on
ceramic storage vessels used for housing fish
specimens in the 20th century. Here at the Florida
Museum we have a number of large stoneware crocks (see
attached images) that were used for oversized
specimens before large glass jars were widely
available. <span
style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">The crocks
came to us in the late 1970s with the collection of
Ralph Yerger. He obtained his PhD from Cornell, and
we have reason to believe that some of his initial
collection may have originated there, including
these vessels.</span><br>
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<p>Our crocks are similar in form to those used for food
fermentation (pickles/sauerkraut/meat), with a water
well in the rim that could produce an airlock. In the
museum, they were sealed with beeswax to reduce
evaporation. It is unclear whether they are repurposed
fermentation crocks, or if they were made
intentionally for museum curation. <span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">They</span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> are molded, using a
buff/cream colored stoneware clay, with brown Albany
Slip on the interior and exterior. The matching lids
were wheel-thrown. </span>
They are 24” tall and 12” diameter. There are no
maker's marks or capacity marks of any kind. <span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Unfortunately,
late 19th-early 20th century industrial pottery has
not received much scholarly a</span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">ttention,
so it is difficult t</span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">o
track down, especially without maker's marks. </span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> </span></p>
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<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">I'm trying to learn where
these vessels were produced, and whether they were
widely used or a Cornell-centered idiosyncrasy. Given
the history of pottery production and fermented foods,
I'm currently thinking that the northeastern US is a
likely origin, though the form has precursors in
Europe, especially Germany. Please let me know if you
have seen these or other similar ceramic vessels for
housing museum collections. You may reach me off-list
at
<a href="mailto:lbloch@floridamuseum.ufl.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lbloch@floridamuseum.ufl.edu</a>.
Thanks for any help you can provide.</p>
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<div>Best, </div>
<div>Lindsay</div>
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