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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi all,<br>
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beyond this focus, there is another issue: legislators depend on
definitions, and definitions tend to survive individual
administrations and usually stay for decades. We are currently
struggling with old definitions for basic and applied research,
which were established in the 1960s and have been adapted by
legislators to define basic research under the ABS law of the
European Union.<br>
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In short: basic = gaining the knowledge that something might be a
new species, applied = if you use this insight to describe this
species (because you apply your knowledge).<br>
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From this perspective, objective input in this case might be
wanted to avoid potential issues that would reach beyond current
quarrels of US Congress with ESA.<br>
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All the best<br>
Dirk<br>
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Am 28.11.2017 um 01:37 schrieb Peter Rauch:<br>
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<div>Ellen, <br>
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What easier way to tell Congress how ridiculous the ESA is
than to seemingly point out, by way of a legal petition, that
"there is not such thing as a 'species'" "? "Protect this
species!"??? "What species?" "We don't need no stinkin'
ESA!"....<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 2:12 PM,
Ellen Paul <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ellen.paul@verizon.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ellen.paul@verizon.net</a>></span>
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with so many bills pending that would
effectively kill the ESA.</p>
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<div>Something to watch in the U.S. with
respect to the Endangered Species Act.<br>
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<div>Personally, I think they get both
definitions wrong. Species by proposing a 1%
hybridization threshold and subspecies by
including genetics in the 75% rule. There are
other issues, but those stuck out to me.<br>
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