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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Jean-Marc & Andy,<br>
<br>
agree with your points - this is the reason why we prefer metal
lids above 100 mm and PP with PE-liner for diameters < 55 mm.
Requesting a samples especially for PP-lids surely is a good idea.
With our last order, we received PP-lids with PE-foam inlays,
which we had to return to the supplier because of the known issues
of foamed inlays.<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
Dirk<br>
<br>
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Am 01.03.2018 um 20:55 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dirk,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I agree with
Andy that larger PP lids, with proper 1.5-turn thread, and
if possible with a good liner, will still give good results.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Occasionally,
however, a supplier will send us lids that are too thin and
tend to change shape; even worst when these same lids only
have one turn for the thread.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So it is a good
thing to ask for samples before actually purchasing a large
quantity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">As we move to
lids larger than 100mm, it is more difficult to find the
proper thread and a F217 liner.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So, it is not
perfect for those larger jars.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Jean-Marc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> Dirk Neumann
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dirk.neumann@zsm.mwn.de">mailto:dirk.neumann@zsm.mwn.de</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 28, 2018 2:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jean-Marc Gagnon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:JMGAGNON@nature.ca"><JMGAGNON@nature.ca></a>;
Mike Rutherford <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Mike.Rutherford@sta.uwi.edu"><Mike.Rutherford@sta.uwi.edu></a>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] jar lids<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good morning Jean-Marc, Mike & Andy!<br>
<br>
We have metal lids since the 1990ies in our collection. At
the moment, I occasionally have to replace those which have
and additional PE foil originally thought and introduced to
improve the closure. In fact it traps condensates and
accelerates deterioration (rusting ) of lids.<br>
<br>
As we have huge troubles with our climate control systems
since several years (system dates back to 1985 and never
worked properly, leading to RH shift btw. 80-30 %, yesterday
I was even below 30% ..) and temperature shifts ranging from
16-24°C, metal lids in our collection are all but under
stable, controlled conditions. Adding to this, we have the
quite aggressive ketone MEK as denaturant. Still, the metal
lids do fine, and our observations in Munich largely agree
with observations Emily Dock made in Stockholm. (<span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Warén,
A., E. Dock-Åkerman, and H. Taylor. 2010. Metal-lid jars
in museum collections?
<i>Collection Forum</i> 24(1-2):52-61.)</span> <br>
<br>
Perhaps there is a difference in industry norms or
production standards between North America and Europe ? I
know the Steigerwald & Laframboise paper, but the
question of taping all jars (and re-doing all taping once
the jars are opened) is a simple cost-benefit question: a
metal lid is less then 10 cent and replacing a lid is less
then 5 seconds, re-doing the taping takes 1-2 minutes plus
tape costs. We have a rather small, but heavily frequented
collection, so replacing metal lids is the cheaper option
for us.<br>
<br>
My observation is that PP-lids with PE-liners do fine up to
45 mm neck opening. Above that (50 mm), closures are not
that good and jars show increased evaporation issues. So our
strategy at the moment is: PP-lids with PE-Liners for
100ml-300 ml jars (rarely 500-1000 with 50 mmm necks),
1200-1700 ml jars with metal lids and above only
borosilicate with plane or ground stopper closures (typical
sizes are 300 mm x 80 mm and 300 x 150 mm for flanged and
400 x 150 mm & 600 x 200 mm for stoppered).
<br>
<br>
Mike's question was to replace metal lids for jars which
were designed for metal lids. Because of the narrow threads
of those jars and the fact that opening would be rather wide
(if I understood Mike's question correctly), I doubt that
PP-screw on lids for diameters above 50 mm would be a could
replacement. Independent of this I definitely agree that
replacement of entire jars (compromised metal lids in jars
with necks up to 50 mm in diameter) with jars with PP-lids
would be a good idea. Depending on the climatic conditions
inside storage. PP lids with PE liners are surely a much
better oxygen barrier compared to PVC.-lids, but still allow
diffusion of oxygen. Metal lids have a better performance in
this regard.<br>
<br>
In the end there are several trade-offs and no straight
forwards solution, I guess.<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
Dirk<br>
<br>
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Am 27.02.2018 um 21:41 schrieb Jean-Marc Gagnon:<span
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style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dirk,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">I was a little
surprised by your response, promoting metal lids as
opposed to Polypropylene lids. We (at CMN) have not had
any success with metal lids, even with what seems to be
reasonable, ethanol-resistant liners. Even the metal lids
designed for Mason Jars, commonly used for preserves in
North America, will rust after a while.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">In all our
fluid-preserved collections, we have been using with great
success Polypropylene lids for decades (of course, with
two full tread turns), along with the F217 PE liner and
sealing tape (see Steigerwald and Laframboise (1996). TAPE
APPLICATION: A JAR SEALING METHOD FOR REDUCING ETHANOL
EVAPORATION IN FLUID-PRESERVED COLLECTIONS. Collection
Forum Volume 12, Number 2).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">While we haven’t
quantitatively measured that success, I can tell you that
in our wet Mollusc Collection, prior to 2002, we would
have many jars needing retopping after only a few years
(they often only had the PP lids with no liner or tape).
But after applying the standard I described above in 2002,
we literally haven’t had to retop the ethanol in any of
the jars in the past 15-16 years.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Is it always
perfect: No. But we have had very little failure in these
lids and liners. The tape is always reapplied fresh if a
jar needs to be open; it is relatively inexpensive (from
Spectape Inc.) so that I not an issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">I hope this helps.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR-CA">Jean-Marc
Gagnon, Ph.D.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR-CA">Curator/Conservateur,
Invertebrate Collections/Collections de invertébrés</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dirk Neumann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 24, 2018 5:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Rutherford <a href="mailto:Mike.Rutherford@sta.uwi.edu" moz-do-not-send="true"><Mike.Rutherford@sta.uwi.edu></a>;
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Mike,<br>
<br>
depending on the climatic conditions inside you storage
area and the holding fluid the specimens are stored in
rusting of lids can be a major issue of course. However,
because of the narrow thread of twist-off jars, I am not
entirely sure of the metal lids can be easily replaced
with plastic lids. The latter usually need higher threads
because plastic lids tend to be deformed when screwed
tight. This is the reason why jars with plastic lids
normally have two fully closed thread turns, compared to
jars with metal lids which usually only have half thread
turns. <br>
<br>
Moreover, plastic lids (e.g. PE or PP lids) do not form a
good barrier against oxygen, and changing lids might
increase or trigger oxidation issues inside jars.<br>
<br>
My advice would be to look into modern metal lids designed
for food industry to close jars with sour ingredients
(compared to lids for sweet stuff such as jam or honey);
these usually have thicker liners inside which protect
lids against scratching. Also made bad experiences with
(self-designed) PE-foil inlays, an earlier curator
introduced in our collection: the foil is no good barrier
against compounds evaporation from holding fluids, but a
perfect trap to hold condensates inside a tiny, highly
corrosive atmosphere lid and foil which tends to
accelerate deterioration of metal lids. <br>
<br>
Might be worth to check in the food sector for replacement
lids or inquire such suppliers where to find 130mm lids.<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
Dirk<br>
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Am 21.02.2018 um 21:57 schrieb Mike Rutherford:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m trying to source large
polypropylene screw top lids for some glass jars I have in
my museum. The jars are wide mouthed and squat, making
them ideal for those weird shaped specimens but the
current lids are thin metal ones which are corroding
badly. My previous source for lids was Carolina Biological
Supplies but their maximum size of lid is 120mm diameter
and I need ones of 130mm diameter.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can anyone suggest a supplier,
preferably in the western hemisphere?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Fax: 089 / 8107-300<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>email: Dirk.Neumann(a)zsm.mwn.de<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Postanschrift:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Zoologische Staatssammlung München<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Storage<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Münchhausenstr. 21<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>81247 München<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Bavarian Natural History Collections<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Muenchhausenstr. 21<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>81247 Munich (Germany)<o:p></o:p></pre>
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Dirk Neumann
Tel: 089 / 8107-111
Fax: 089 / 8107-300
email: Dirk.Neumann(a)zsm.mwn.de
Postanschrift:
Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns
Zoologische Staatssammlung München
Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Storage
Münchhausenstr. 21
81247 München
Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung:
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Dirk Neumann
Tel: +49-89-8107-111
Fax: +49-89-8107-300
email: Dirk.Neumann(a)zsm.mwn.de
postal address:
Bavarian Natural History Collections
The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology
Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage
Muenchhausenstr. 21
81247 Munich (Germany)
Visit our section at:
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