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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">If I am not wrong with publication of
the 52nd Ed. of the ICAO/IATA handbook, which got effective back
on 1 Jan 2011<br>
<br>
:-)<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 02.07.2018 um 16:24 schrieb Ellen Paul:<br>
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<p>That's excellent news (about the certification). When did that
happen?</p>
<p>Ellen<br>
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<div class="WordSection1"> Ellen Paul<br>
Executive Director<br>
<a href="https://birdnet.org/" moz-do-not-send="true">Ornithological
Council</a><br>
Phone (301) 986 8568<br>
Providing Scientific Information about Birds<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/18 10:16 AM, Dirk Neumann
wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">ICAO is not airlines, but the
internationally recognised UN body governing civil air
aviation rules (Convention on International Civil Aviation).
They stipulate dangerous good regulations on
international/intergovernmental level. Some countries recently
decided that they would discontinue with UN regs, but as long
as this is not glued into national laws (i.e. the
Internationally accepted ICAO rules no longer apply in a given
state and this state discloses itself from international air
traffic), this international agreement persists.<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.icao.int/about-icao/History/Pages/icao-and-the-united-nations.aspx"
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<br>
IATA is a rip-off of the UN-ICAO regs, and the a handy
business model of the association of airlines to resell their
expensive handbook on yearly basis. <br>
<br>
A180 allows you to sell-train to be compliant; so yes, you
need to be (self-) trained, but you no longer must be
IATA-certified (e.g. we offered such trainings repeatedly at
SPNHC conferences).<br>
<br>
No longer are initial IATA certification and yearly IATA
requalifications needed (as required under previous exempted
quantities shipping). Training & requalifications are
another excellent business model by the way: let others pay to
re-qualify to your copied rules on yearly basis. We are happy
to have escaped from this (thanks to Andy's enormous efforts!)<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Dirk<br>
<br>
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Am 02.07.2018 um 15:52 schrieb Ellen Paul:<br>
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<p>Thanks, Dirk, but that is IATA (airline restrictions). Not
TSCA, which is a U.S. law - Toxic Substances Control Act and
entirely separate from IATA.</p>
<p>That being said - I agree entirely that it is a good idea
to carry a copy of the IATA/ICAO standard with you. <br>
</p>
<p>As I recall (and Andy can confirm) it is not just packaging
and labeling. Don't you also have to be trained and
certified? In which case, talk to the shipping dept at your
institution because their staff are generally trained and
certified.<br>
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<p>Ellen<br>
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<div class="WordSection1"> Ellen Paul<br>
Executive Director<br>
<a href="https://birdnet.org/" moz-do-not-send="true">Ornithological
Council</a><br>
Providing Scientific Information about Birds<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/18 9:42 AM, Dirk Neumann
wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi all,<br>
<br>
it might be worth to add a second bit of clarification:<br>
<br>
IATA/ICAO A180 compliant packing says if non-infectious
specimens, such as .... containing small quantities of
UN1170 (ethanol, ethanol solution, ethyl alcohol or ethyl
alcohol solution), UN1198 (formaldehyde solution,
flammable), UN 1987 (alcohols, not otherwise specified) or
UN1219 (isopropyl alcohol) <b>are not subject to these
Regulations</b> providing the following packing and
marking requirements are met ..."<br>
<br>
The words are <i>not subject to these Regulations</i> are
decisive: despite their identification as UN-rated
hazardous materials, they are not classified as such, i.e.
they are not considered dangerous goods at all. This
exemption stands and falls with the correct packing.
ICAO/IATA is an international UN agreement, excepted in
all countries (ICAO), and by all airlines (IATA).<br>
<br>
If you are travelling and have such materials in your
hand-carried or checked luggage, it is advisable to take
copies of IATA/ICAO A180, and at least a copy of the
limitations table (2.3A) from the IATA handbook with you.
Respective sections in ICAO and IATA are interchangeable,
the legally binding one is ICAO. <br>
<br>
All the best<br>
Dirk<br>
<br>
Am 02.07.2018 um 15:00 schrieb Ellen Paul:<br>
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<p>One call to EPA help line is all it took. Well, that
and knowing what questions to ask.</p>
<p>So actually you need a certification for ethanol (I
will look up SDS later to see if it is on the TSCA
inventory). But there is an express exemption for
R&D. <br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/40/720.36"
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<p>So you still need the certification:<br>
</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://ftn.fedex.com/forms/TSCA_Certification.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://ftn.fedex.com/forms/TSCA_Certification.pdf</a></p>
<p>But it is the "positive" certification. And they said
for product description, write, "R&D exemption."<br>
</p>
<p>That easy.</p>
<p>I would advise everyone to have this form with them for
hand-carries and in the FedEx pouch for shipping. It is
one page, easy to complete, and better to have it and
not need it than need it and not have it. <br>
</p>
<p>It is most likely going to keep coming up for anyone
who has to have an APHIS import permit and certificate
of treatment, because ethanol and SDS are probably the
most commonly used of the approved treatment methods. So
the CBP agricultural specialist reads your certificate
of treatment and then sees that you have a TSCA-listed
substance and requires this form. But even if you don't
need an APHIS import and certificate of treatment, it
makes sense to include this form with your hand-carries
and shipped imports.</p>
<p>Are you sure you don't think the OC is worth $20 to
you?<br>
</p>
<p>Thanks.<br>
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<p>Ellen<br>
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