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<p>That's excellent news (about the certification). When did that
happen?</p>
<p>Ellen<br>
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Ellen Paul<br>
Executive Director<br>
<a href="https://birdnet.org/">Ornithological
Council</a><br>
Phone (301) 986 8568<br>
Providing Scientific Information about Birds<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/18 10:16 AM, Dirk Neumann wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">ICAO is not airlines, but the
internationally recognised UN body governing civil air aviation
rules (Convention on International Civil Aviation). They
stipulate dangerous good regulations on
international/intergovernmental level. Some countries recently
decided that they would discontinue with UN regs, but as long as
this is not glued into national laws (i.e. the Internationally
accepted ICAO rules no longer apply in a given state and this
state discloses itself from international air traffic), this
international agreement persists.<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.icao.int/about-icao/History/Pages/icao-and-the-united-nations.aspx"
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<br>
IATA is a rip-off of the UN-ICAO regs, and the a handy business
model of the association of airlines to resell their expensive
handbook on yearly basis. <br>
<br>
A180 allows you to sell-train to be compliant; so yes, you need
to be (self-) trained, but you no longer must be IATA-certified
(e.g. we offered such trainings repeatedly at SPNHC
conferences).<br>
<br>
No longer are initial IATA certification and yearly IATA
requalifications needed (as required under previous exempted
quantities shipping). Training & requalifications are
another excellent business model by the way: let others pay to
re-qualify to your copied rules on yearly basis. We are happy to
have escaped from this (thanks to Andy's enormous efforts!)<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Dirk<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 02.07.2018 um 15:52 schrieb Ellen Paul:<br>
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<p>Thanks, Dirk, but that is IATA (airline restrictions). Not
TSCA, which is a U.S. law - Toxic Substances Control Act and
entirely separate from IATA.</p>
<p>That being said - I agree entirely that it is a good idea to
carry a copy of the IATA/ICAO standard with you. <br>
</p>
<p>As I recall (and Andy can confirm) it is not just packaging
and labeling. Don't you also have to be trained and certified?
In which case, talk to the shipping dept at your institution
because their staff are generally trained and certified.<br>
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<p>Ellen<br>
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<div class="WordSection1"> Ellen Paul<br>
Executive Director<br>
<a href="https://birdnet.org/" moz-do-not-send="true">Ornithological
Council</a><br>
Providing Scientific Information about Birds<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/18 9:42 AM, Dirk Neumann
wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi all,<br>
<br>
it might be worth to add a second bit of clarification:<br>
<br>
IATA/ICAO A180 compliant packing says if non-infectious
specimens, such as .... containing small quantities of
UN1170 (ethanol, ethanol solution, ethyl alcohol or ethyl
alcohol solution), UN1198 (formaldehyde solution,
flammable), UN 1987 (alcohols, not otherwise specified) or
UN1219 (isopropyl alcohol) <b>are not subject to these
Regulations</b> providing the following packing and
marking requirements are met ..."<br>
<br>
The words are <i>not subject to these Regulations</i> are
decisive: despite their identification as UN-rated hazardous
materials, they are not classified as such, i.e. they are
not considered dangerous goods at all. This exemption stands
and falls with the correct packing. ICAO/IATA is an
international UN agreement, excepted in all countries
(ICAO), and by all airlines (IATA).<br>
<br>
If you are travelling and have such materials in your
hand-carried or checked luggage, it is advisable to take
copies of IATA/ICAO A180, and at least a copy of the
limitations table (2.3A) from the IATA handbook with you.
Respective sections in ICAO and IATA are interchangeable,
the legally binding one is ICAO. <br>
<br>
All the best<br>
Dirk<br>
<br>
Am 02.07.2018 um 15:00 schrieb Ellen Paul:<br>
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<p>One call to EPA help line is all it took. Well, that and
knowing what questions to ask.</p>
<p>So actually you need a certification for ethanol (I will
look up SDS later to see if it is on the TSCA inventory).
But there is an express exemption for R&D. <br>
</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/40/720.36"
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<p>So you still need the certification:<br>
</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://ftn.fedex.com/forms/TSCA_Certification.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://ftn.fedex.com/forms/TSCA_Certification.pdf</a></p>
<p>But it is the "positive" certification. And they said for
product description, write, "R&D exemption."<br>
</p>
<p>That easy.</p>
<p>I would advise everyone to have this form with them for
hand-carries and in the FedEx pouch for shipping. It is
one page, easy to complete, and better to have it and not
need it than need it and not have it. <br>
</p>
<p>It is most likely going to keep coming up for anyone who
has to have an APHIS import permit and certificate of
treatment, because ethanol and SDS are probably the most
commonly used of the approved treatment methods. So the
CBP agricultural specialist reads your certificate of
treatment and then sees that you have a TSCA-listed
substance and requires this form. But even if you don't
need an APHIS import and certificate of treatment, it
makes sense to include this form with your hand-carries
and shipped imports.</p>
<p>Are you sure you don't think the OC is worth $20 to you?<br>
</p>
<p>Thanks.<br>
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<p>Ellen<br>
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